Draeden: So, what in particular does it speed creep and what does it do that other Trans don't accomplish, of course assuming it needs to do waht multiple types of Tran can do?
john johnson130: hold on i need to afk
Draeden: Alright
john johnson130: i havent bothered looking back into what all it does
john johnson130: i made the set a LONG time ago
john johnson130: it does so much its hard to explain it all without forgetting shit, an example is flame charge -> hp ice on lando-T
john johnson130: or on regular thundy
john johnson130: also seen flame charge -> fblast mega luke ages ago
john johnson130: works on exca and other things
john johnson130: understand that AV gives him MORE special def than his offense, which has max invest minus the neutral nature
john johnson130: hp ice hits a lot of random shit hard
john johnson130: its an offensive/defensive/speedy hybrid heatran
Draeden: I see.
Draeden: That's actually quite neat if it can be placed on the right team.
john johnson130: one tactic is this, opponent uses fire move, you switch tran in, they swap, you flame charge, and you are sitting on a ddanced heatran
john johnson130: with 400 special defence
Draeden: Nb
john johnson130: he can cripple the shit out of mons that your team doesnt have direct answers to
john johnson130: there's also opposing heatrans he fucks up
john johnson130: he destroys defensive tran and offensive non scarf balloon popped trans
Draeden: So essentially it's catch-all check type of set with a lot of special bawlk.
john johnson130: its a clutch heatran set
john johnson130: its arguable that good prediction can make up for flame charge
john johnson130: but honestly....
john johnson130: i have a free fourth slot and extra speed isn't bad
john johnson130: its NOT really slow, and has bulk to round out my teams defence without sacrificing ANY offense
john johnson130: so do you understand how it works now?
Draeden: Yeh
Draeden: I think I've got a p good grasp
john johnson130: for what its worth, its a clean KO on Dnite if rocks with hp ice
john johnson130: or residual damage and hp ice
john johnson130: 252 SpA Heatran Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 264-312 (81.7 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Draeden: Nb at all
john johnson130: flame charge -> hp ice
john johnson130: 252 SpA Heatran Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 352-416 (110.3 - 130.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
john johnson130: you think your landorus will outspeed it, lolno
john johnson130: 252 SpA Heatran Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 316-376 (82.7 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
john johnson130: 252 SpA Heatran Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 316-376 (82.7 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
john johnson130: same tactic