DF Game Club: Violett (part 1)

Cheeseness
So Violett and her family have moved to a house in the forest and she's not very happy about it
7:09 silverspork
bummer
is this like coraline meets spirited away?
7:10 Lightkey
funny, that's just like the story I was reading earlier begins
7:10 Syd
The setup is a little Coraline-y
7:10 Lightkey
(David Weber's A Beautiful Friendship)
7:10liorean	is totally ignorant about what Coraline is.
7:10 Cheeseness
The game feels like it has heavy Through The Looking Glass influences as well
7:10 silverspork
go ask alice when she was just small
7:10 Cheeseness
Also, bear with me whilst I struggle with some of the game's "swipe" controls
7:10 Syd
Coraline is a book, as well as a stop-motion film by Laika. The film is quite good.
7:11 Cheeseness
There are a whole stack of journal pages scattered throughout the game that give you some backstory on some of the species/characters you encounter
7:13 liorean: Missed a few of those in last room
The the colour globs and not journal pages, I mean
7:13 Mimness
Those orbs become useful later.
7:14 Cheeseness
There's not a lot of feedback on stuff that requires you to do something multiple times
7:14 liorean
I haven't played far enough into the game to see that.
7:15 Cheeseness
Like getting the fly out of the flypaper there
7:15 silverspork
so you start off trapped in a cage and the first thing you do is trap something else?
7:15 Cheeseness
Yeah… :D
7:15 liorean
Yes indeed
Escher
7:17 silverspork
sigh you df guys and your obsession with being trapped in small enclosed spaces
7:17 Cheeseness
heh
That is one fragile toothbrush
7:18 liorean
Yes indeed
7:18 Cheeseness
Beaver-sharks. Sounds terrifying. Probably would be.
7:18 silverspork
will some kind of hybrid man bear fonz jump them?
7:19 Cheeseness
:D
7:19 Syd left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
7:19 liorean
They don't hear you, Violett!
7:19 Syd [Mibbit@hide-62697C31.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] entered the room.
7:19 flesk
Hi there.
7:19 Sven_Q45
The gameplays like Lilly Looking Through.
7:20 liorean
Hej Fläsk!
7:20 Cheeseness
Hey flesk
7:20 Sven_Q45
We can play that too. ;)
7:20 silverspork
holla
7:20 flesk
Coraline is great.
7:20 Sven_Q45
Hey that rhymes.
7:20 flesk
I like pretty much anything by Neil Gaiman.
7:21 silverspork
I didn't know who he was till an artist I follow on twitter posted one of his speeches at a graduation
7:21 liorean
Gaiman stuff has charm, though licence products aren't always that good.
7:22 Mimness
Thank goodness you only have to do this match thing twice now.
7:23 liorean
Never read his Sandman stuff, but I like pretty much everything I have seen him do.
7:23 flesk
Didn't they update quite a lot about the game after release?
7:23 silverspork
looks like whoever is playing is going for the speed record
7:23 flesk
I seem to recall reading that somewhere and wondered if I should give it another chance.
7:23 Cheeseness
I'm streaming today ^_^
7:23 flesk
Oh, I thought Mimness was streaming.
liorean: Sandman is great.
7:24 Cheeseness
I feel like the biggest turnoff for this game is the of you-don't-come-out-the-same-door-you-went-in maze things
7:24 Sven_Q45
I knew it´s Cheese. Though no one told me that...
7:24 silverspork
well idk who's who here obv
7:24 Mimness
I was going to, but decided Cheese could have the honour. I'm just assisting.
7:24 Cheeseness
^_^
7:25 flesk
Mimness: Helping him with all the tricky puzzles? ;)
7:25 Rayiner left the room (quit: Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client).
7:25 Cheeseness
She's got a walkthrough for the silly maze bits
7:25 silverspork
I am kind of surprised more people don't show up for this though
7:26 flesk
Ah, right. This was one of the puzzles that I completed.
7:26 Cheeseness
I guess Violett isn't that well known
7:26 Mimness
There's one for the "dont' love" list: the amount of confusing doors in this game.
7:27 silverspork
I think the optimal solution for slide puzzles is np complete right?
7:27 liorean
Oh, I hadn't even noticed that anode-cathode matching puzzle
7:27 Cheeseness
Game Club's one of those things where it's hard to know which games will be hit or miss
7:27 Sven_Q45
I didn´t know Violett.
7:27 flesk
Yeah, I didn't much care for that whole hub area either.
7:27 Cheeseness
flesk: The worst one is later
Also, how did that train turn around?
7:28 Syd
I'm pretty sure we have a definite "hit" set as our next game, though. ;)
7:28 Cheeseness
:D
7:28 liorean
:)
7:28 Cheeseness
Next being the first weekend in February
We'll do two sessions of this one
7:29 liorean
Next game is pretty well known and obviously all people here are going to be biased towards it.
7:29 Syd
It'll be Grim Fandango Remastered, for those that haven't heard yet
7:29 Cheeseness
:)
7:29 Sven_Q45
Ah a few minutes ago I wanted to ask what´s next. :)
7:29 flesk
I can hardly believe GFR releases in just a few days. Feels like the time went by so quickly.
7:29 Sven_Q45
Yeah GF.
7:31 Mimness
So the symbols you have to click on are scattered around the room.
7:31 flesk
Another nail in the coffin for the "I believe it when I see it" crowd regarding Double Fine releases.
7:32 silverspork
they are also sort of cymbals too
7:32 Cheeseness
I don't think this is how hide and seek normally works
7:32 flesk
I did this one too. The first room I did I think, besides the intro.
7:32 Glog78 [~Oknown_an@hide-AB6A5D39.pools.vodafone-ip.de] entered the room.
7:32 FhqwhDango
well let's hope they release GFR in a great state
7:32 liorean
I haven't actually finished any of the rooms. But then again, I haven't spent much time in the game yet.
7:33 silverspork
its a digital release, I don't think it will be released in just one state
7:33 liorean
:)
7:33 FhqwhDango
I mean bug & crash free
7:33 Mimness
liorean: Do you think you'll finish it later?
7:33 flesk
Yeah, let's hope so.
They had some issues with CQ2 on Linux when it released too. It was possible to work around it though.
7:34 Cheeseness
The artwork is pretty charming
7:35 liorean
Mimness: Probably, but nothing guaranteed. I have Grim and Witcher 2 on my finish schedule before Witcher 3 releases
7:35 Mimness
Ahh
7:35 FhqwhDango
I am playing Witcher 2 right now
I don't think it's better than the first one. It's too different
7:36 Mimness
No soup for Violett. You have to get the kids to have soup, but you don't get any. Ripped off.
7:36 flesk
Not sure if I'll ever finish Violett, but it's nice to see someone else play it.
7:36 Cheeseness
I love this idea of using book illustrations to control the environment
7:37 liorean
I had no idea what to do with the books here.
7:37 flesk
I feel like it has a lot of potential.
If only it had less of the frustrating elements.
7:37 Mimness
Yeah that puzzle is pretty confusing.
7:37 Cheeseness
Getting back down is a pain - that green bookmark is all you cna click on
7:38 flesk
I thought this one was ok actually. There was a room with a kettle I think and a bath (?) that just confused me.
7:38 Cheeseness
Yeah, we did that earlier
7:39 liorean
Flessk: TYhe one with the sword master?
Flesk even
Or the one with the sink?
7:39 flesk
liorean: I don't remember a sword master.
Yeah, the sink.
7:39 liorean
Ah. Yes, that one we did earlier
7:39 flesk
I ended up just trying everything in that room, and even that didn't get me anywhere.
So I must have missed something I guess.
7:40 liorean
I now know what I missed in that room
7:40 Rayiner [Mibbit@314FF093.38C2D390.E30CFD84.IP] entered the room.
7:40 flesk
liorean: What did you miss?
I missed the beginning of the stream.
7:40 liorean
The snake charming pipe
7:40 flesk
I only saw from the train room.
7:41 Rayiner
I am back, snap, I missed something.
7:41 flesk
I don't remember a snake charming pipe, so that might be what I missed too.
7:41 liorean
This is the room with what I called the sword master
7:41 flesk
Ah, yeah. This is the other room where I was stuck.
7:41 liorean
It has a kettle/boiler that I thought you might have meant.
7:42 flesk
liorean: Yeah. I didn't remember anything about a sword master though.
I thought that guy was playing some kind of instrument at first.
7:43 Cheeseness
Yay, I have no idea what I'm doing <_>
7:43 Mimness
Freaking drawers
7:43 liorean
I never figured out this room either - I know there's switches in it to close a circuit, but that's about it
What or why, I have no idea
7:49 FhqwhDango
this looks like fun
No. Wait.
7:50 liorean
This room is frustrating. No idea what to do here
7:50 flesk
So which other puzzle adventures are there where the puzzles are integrated like this? The Gobliiins games, Axel & Pixel, the Amanita games...
7:50 Syd
I'm still not sure what this is supposed to be accomplishing. :P
7:50 flesk
Big Brain Wolf.
7:50 Mimness
There's something behind the 2nd from the top right
7:50 Cheeseness
I have to close all the drawers
But it's using some weird space logic that I can't work out (I solved it by luck on my first run through >_< )
Sorry people
7:51 liorean
Close them? I thought the objective was to open them!
7:51 FhqwhDango
Big Brain Wolf is great
7:52 Cheeseness
The thing I need to reach is the thing behind the number 9 drawer
7:52 Syd
This goes beyond moon logic
7:52 flesk
Those symbols must mean something.
7:52 Cheeseness
Yeah
7:52 liorean
Any clue as to what those left and right arrows actually mean?
7:52 Cheeseness
I wish it had a reset button
I assumed they were greater than/less than indicators showing how many drawers needed to be open
But that's not it
7:53 flesk
Cheeseness: Yeah, that's what I thought too, but I don't think that's it because I know I never solved it.
7:54 Cheeseness
Mimness' walkthrough just has a list of moves, so after I messed it up, it wasn't any help :D
7:54 flesk
And because of the positions of the numbers all of them are greater than.
Of the symbols I mean.
They always point away from the numbers I think.
And you can't reset the puzzle by leaving and entering the room?
7:57 Sven_Q45
Old adventure technique.
:D
7:58 Cheeseness
o.0
7:58 Mimness
WOOOOOOOOOOOO
7:58 Cheeseness
Actually, maybe it represents the number of drawers that need to be open/closed to change it
7:58 flesk
Nice. :)
7:58 Cheeseness
 < 9 means one drawer out of 10
7:58 Mimness
I had to work it out on a piece of paper -_-
Old school.
7:59 flesk
Heh. Awesome. :)
7:59 JelDeRebel [Mibbit@39AB8F65.4DD1FC8.2E3B438D.IP] entered the room.
7:59 Sven_Q45
I like the music!
7:59 flesk
Not something you do a lot these days.
7:59 JelDeRebel
naaarf
sup y'all
7:59 flesk
I played the first Kyrandia game with pen and paper a couple of years ago.
Hi JelDeRebel.
7:59 Cheeseness
Hmm, I think he's gone to sleep
lol
Hey JelDeRebel
8:00 Mimness
Took too long to do the puzzle and he died
8:00 flesk
Heh. Probably.
8:00 JelDeRebel
i loged in on steam and saw cheesedude playing
8:01 Mimness
I love how your first objective in an adventure game is to steal everything that isn't nailed down
8:01 liorean
Same with most RPGs
8:01 The_Mad_Pirate
hi !
8:02 liorean
Arr!
8:02 JelDeRebel
are there exploding kittens in this game?
8:02 Mimness
I'm afraid not
8:02 Cheeseness
Hey The_Mad_Pirate
8:02 liorean
Man, that kickstarter blew up
8:02 The_Mad_Pirate
yo Cheeseness !
8:03 Cheeseness
That's what happens when The Oatmeal is involved
8:03 FhqwhDango
Oh. A rebel joins the chat
8:03liorean	has no idea what the Oatmeal is, either
8:03 JelDeRebel
kickstarters always climax in the first 2 days
after that it's all downhill
kinda like sex
8:04 liorean
:)
Cliamx in the fiorst 2 days of sex, you say?
8:04 JelDeRebel
in the first 2 minutes
8:04 FhqwhDango
just like this game
8:04 The_Mad_Pirate
Perma or Syd ?
8:05 FhqwhDango
Great into and then it goes downhill a bit
8:05 liorean
Cheese
8:05 Sven_Q45
I really would use the f word but I can´t. :( I just wanted to listen to the soundtrack of this game on Youtube. But "this video is not available". x(
8:05 Syd
Cheeseness is streaming today
8:05 The_Mad_Pirate
JelDeRebel: Actually no , there are two parallel effects , "novelty" and "sailing ship".
8:06 JelDeRebel
hmm streaming cheese
8:06 liorean
There is always the Youtube country barrier proxy add-ons for your browser
8:06 FhqwhDango
liorean they never work reliably
8:06 Sven_Q45
liorean The last I used to unblock didn´t install itself on Chrome. What a shame!!
8:06 JelDeRebel
i'm surprised i can login to this chat thing
using IE
at work
8:07 liorean
Sure they don't, Google doesn't want them to. But there are usually at least some ways to work around it.
8:07 FhqwhDango
I guess IRC isn't mainstream enough
there are web based solutions
8:07 Cheeseness
Or you know, IE is junk :D
8:07 Sven_Q45
liorean It IS a addon on for Chrome. ;)
8:07 FhqwhDango
these usually work
8:07 The_Mad_Pirate
has anyone played an adventure game with really wierd controls ?
8:08 FhqwhDango
I have
8:08 liorean
Yes
8:08 FhqwhDango
it was Monkey Island 4
8:08 Cheeseness
This one's kinda odd
8:08 The_Mad_Pirate
It does has a nice UI
8:08 JelDeRebel
soo any plans to stream grim danfango?
8:08 Cheeseness
All the weird touch oriented "swiping" stuff is a bit weird
JelDeRebel: Starting first week in Feb
8:08 liorean
This one, Grim, EMI, and several FMV games that are unorthodox.
8:09 FhqwhDango
who will stream Grim by the way
8:09 Syd
I'll be streaming Grim
8:09 FhqwhDango
2 people here seem to have a head start
8:09 liorean
Hell, I played Druuna, Morbis Gravis at a friend of mine about a decade and a half ago, and that game had horrible controls
8:09 FhqwhDango
according to Steam
8:09 The_Mad_Pirate
Syd: Hi there girl ! Didn't saw you.
8:10 JelDeRebel
game controls like having a naked girl in your bed for the first time
also maybe i should stop doing this
8:10 FhqwhDango
having naked girls in your bed?
8:10 JelDeRebel
yeah for the first time, and you dont know what to do
8:11 liorean
JelDeRebel: Does it use a controller like the Ju-C Air?
8:11 The_Mad_Pirate
Cheeseness: Are you playing Violett on a touch device ?
8:11 Cheeseness
Nope
8:11 Sven_Q45
I think I´m gonna go over to JelDeRebel. :D
8:11 Cheeseness
But it was designed for them
8:11 JelDeRebel
I have one track mind
8:12 flesk
The Cat Lady has pretty unusual controls. They work great once you get used to them though.
8:12 JelDeRebel
speaking of cats
whatever happened to mezwgenics?
*mewgenics
8:12 FhqwhDango
no idea
8:12 Cheeseness
DIdn't it come out?
8:13 JelDeRebel
nope
8:13 FhqwhDango
Mewgenics is not canceled, we just put it on hold to work full time on this one. once SMB:F is released we will hop back on it.
that was last august
8:14 The_Mad_Pirate
Cheeseness: So PC version still uses a "touch like" metaphora ?
8:14 flesk
But Mew-genics was announced long before that I think?
8:14 Cheeseness
The_Mad_Pirate: Yeah
8:15 FhqwhDango
they put it on hold for the mobile Meat Boy game they are working on
that was the last post on their Mewgenics blog
8:15 The_Mad_Pirate
Cheeseness: Quite the oposite of Broken Age.
8:15 Sven_Q45
Speaking of late 2014. Late 2015 is (maybe) going to be the realease of Zak BTAS Directors Cut. :)
8:16 JelDeRebel
maan this IE is soo outdated it doenst update kickstarter in realtime
8:16 The_Mad_Pirate
BTAS ?
8:17 Sven_Q45
Between time and space.
8:17 liorean
Man, IE is a kick in the teeth every time you have to use it. Even IE11, which is actually decent when it comes to core web technologies
8:17 JelDeRebel
bitches, tangerins and socks
8:17 The_Mad_Pirate
liorean: why are you even using IE ?
liorean: Micro$oft don't even want to actually adhere to standard JS !
8:18 liorean
I don't use IE if I can get around it. But sometimes you're on a computer that doesn't have anything else and you're not allowed running non-admin-installed stuff
8:19 JelDeRebel
like me atm
8:19 The_Mad_Pirate
liorean: sounds like a net cafe pc
8:19 JelDeRebel
can't install FF nor CHrome on this pc
8:19 liorean
Or a workplace
Or university library
8:20 The_Mad_Pirate
It crowd of those place should be "let go" just for being useless
8:20 JelDeRebel
if browsing internet was like having sex. IE would be like
well i don't know
8:20 FhqwhDango
tripper
8:21 liorean
And Microsoft are trying pretty hard to run "Standard JS" since IE8 and later, they just have a lot of backwards compatibility issues they have to drag along. They cannot change behavious willy nilly.
8:21 The_Mad_Pirate
I love Camera Focus on Violett, it reminds me to how BA handles it.
8:22 JelDeRebel
i have yet to play bA, waiting for part 2
8:23 The_Mad_Pirate
liorean: They did get themselves on that trap by refusing to adhere to ECMA from the start.
8:23 Cheeseness
I wonder if the ending of act 1 will feel as profound if you can dive on into act 2 without stopping
8:24 FhqwhDango
I hope you can start Act 2 without playing Act 1
I think I lost my save
8:24 JelDeRebel
I wonder how violett would be with animal crossing voices
8:24 liorean
The_Mad_Pirate: They never refused that. Heck, they forced Netscape into that position, they *wanted it*. And for the most issues, it's not the ECMA side that they have trouble with. It's the browser host environment, and that was never properly standardised before they went their own way.
8:24 The_Mad_Pirate
Dialoge on Violett is kinda confussing
8:25 Sven_Q45
I think that´s no problem. There are games what come more years later than Broken Age.
8:25 FhqwhDango
wait no. My saves are intact
8:26 JelDeRebel
oh i thought i erased em
8:26 FhqwhDango
thank you Steamfeatures for saving my savegames
8:26 JelDeRebel
muahahahaa
8:26 The_Mad_Pirate
Why are pipes minigames so popular on adventure games ?
8:26 liorean
It's just a 30min playthrough if you want to breeze through Act 1 though
8:26 Sven_Q45
I have steam savegames what are more years older. Steam doesn´t delete them. ;)
8:27 JelDeRebel
i suck at adventure games lol, BA will take me hours
8:27 liorean
Because pipes are fundamental ides that everybody can get, I think
8:27 JelDeRebel
I never played an adventure game before monkey island deluxe on x360
8:27 Cheeseness
That said, it makes no sense to have pipes like that
8:27 JelDeRebel
yes we all love pipes
8:27 FhqwhDango
I'll never play episode 1 of that game again
it was too bad
8:28 The_Mad_Pirate
liorean: Prisioner of Ice and The Longest Journey also have those pipe minigames xP
8:28 JelDeRebel
bioshock had a pipe minigame
8:28 liorean
And many more'
8:28 FhqwhDango
Myst 1 had 3D pipe mazes
8:28 liorean
Pipe minigames are common
8:29 The_Mad_Pirate
I think 11th hour or 7th Guest has a pipes minigame too
8:29 FhqwhDango
I don't remember 7th guest having pipes
just bacteria and chess
to drive you insane
8:30 liorean
Plenty of old NES and SNES games use them. Many FMV games. They might not be ubiquitous, but they are common.
8:30 FhqwhDango
I can live with pipes but Simon Says style puzzles always annoy me
8:30 liorean
Agreed
8:30 Sven_Q45
Didn´t like thje puzzles but the music of the 7th guest was great.
8:30 JelDeRebel
super mario is all pipes
8:30 liorean
I hate especially musical Simon Says
Pipes and mushrooms, man
8:31 FhqwhDango
that piano in the 7th guest was a pain even with a solution
8:32 liorean
There's a musical puzzle in Myst that I really hated, it was a one pixel slider setting to enter the right note
8:32 The_Mad_Pirate
Psychokinetic Powers , well that's a good reason for having tuch like device.
8:32 liorean
The one to unlock the rocket, IIRC
8:33 Cheeseness
This puzzle is a bit crazy too
8:33 flesk
The Whispered World also has a pipe minigame.
And Gemini Rue sort of.
8:33 liorean
Though the really crazy game in the Myst series was Riven. So many non-obvious things.
8:33 FhqwhDango
Myst was alright *cuddles with his 5 copies of Myst
at least you could count the slider thing
8:34 The_Mad_Pirate
that felt like some kind of rubick cube xP
8:34 Sven_Q45
Please stop your "pipe mania" here. :D
8:34 JelDeRebel
yes
you gay person you
8:34 The_Mad_Pirate
I should play Real Myst someday.
8:34 liorean
Myst was alright. Zork Nemesis was better, I never understood why it seems to have gone unremembered among the early ones in that genre.
8:35 FhqwhDango
I guess it's the constant rereleases of Myst
8:35 Cheeseness
From this point on, there's a stack of backtracking if you want the journal pages
8:35 Cheeseness
So I don't think I'll grab them all
8:35 Sven_Q45
JelDeRebel There was a game with the name pipe mania.
8:36 flesk
There was a Russian game called Full Pipe I think. Used to be on Steam.
8:36 FhqwhDango
seems to be the right one
8:36 Babar left the room (quit: Connection reset by peer).
8:36 Sven_Q45
I played Full Pipe. :)
8:36 FhqwhDango
yes and it was so aweful I never bought it
8:36 JelDeRebel
soo i'm totally not follozing the violett stream
8:37 Cheeseness
Might want to leave non-Game Club chat for after the session :b
8:37 Cheeseness
Alrighty, I'll wrap it up here
Let me know when the outro is done
8:38 Sven_Q45
Didn´t know Full Pipe is Russian.
8:38 The_Mad_Pirate
that room needs a "Alice was here!" graffitti
8:38 JelDeRebel
wow what a sexy voice
8:38 Mimness
Yay, all done for today :)
8:38 Cheeseness
It's true
8:38 liorean
Jel: Don't know, Steam froze after I clicked on the friends list notification
8:38 FhqwhDango
indeed
8:38 JelDeRebel
i want to sex that voice
8:38 flesk
Thanks for streaming, Cheeseness.
8:38 The_Mad_Pirate
JelDeRebel: hahahahahaha Mimness will get jelous !
8:39 flesk
And for helping out, Mimness.
8:39 Cheeseness
Thanks for coming people
8:39 The_Mad_Pirate
flesk: hey man !
8:39 Mimness
^_^
8:39 FhqwhDango
thanks for playing
8:39 flesk
The_Mad_Pirate: Hi there.
8:39 Cheeseness
I'll get the chat log up soon
8:39 JelDeRebel
who's this mimness?
8:39 Cheeseness
That's who you have to fight to get my affections
8:40 JelDeRebel
I don't fight. I'll come at you when you least expect it and kidnap you
8:40 The_Mad_Pirate
Prepare! Ready ! Fight !!!
8:40 liorean
There, now you're both on my Steam friends list
8:40 JelDeRebel
huzzah
8:40 Mimness
We keep a Liam Neeson in the cupboard for just such an occasion
8:40 Cheeseness
The thread is up here if anybody wants to leave some thoughts on Violett http://www.doublefine.com/forums/viewthread/16159/
8:40 The_Mad_Pirate
lol !