[13:57] <%San_Pellegrino> hey darren
[13:57] <%San_Pellegrino> so, who wants their team to go first
[13:57] <harsha2014> SP, do you guys have enough teams to rate?
[13:57] <%San_Pellegrino> I don't even know how many we are rating
01[13:57] <ShakeItUp> how many do we have sp o.o
01[13:57] <ShakeItUp> oh k
01[13:57] <ShakeItUp> lol
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[13:57] <harsha2014> I have one ready to be posted if you want.
[13:57] <%San_Pellegrino> siu you're saving the log, right?
01[13:57] <ShakeItUp> yeah.
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[13:58] <+Tomahawk> hi
[13:58] <harsha2014> Hi Tomahawk
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[13:59] <%San_Pellegrino> alright
01[13:59] <ShakeItUp> kk let's go
[13:59] <harsha2014> Okey doke.
[13:59] <%San_Pellegrino> any opposition to starting with ichrin no hana?
[13:59] <%San_Pellegrino> (expert physic's team)
[13:59] <+Tomahawk> not really
[13:59] <+Tomahawk> link?
01[13:59] <ShakeItUp> ^
[14:00] <%San_Pellegrino> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461929
[14:00] <+Tomahawk> also where are all the tr's
[14:00] <bkc> i'm right here!
[14:00] <+Tomahawk> ah yeah
[14:00] <+Tomahawk> but in the thread thers like a 10 trs list
[14:00] <harsha2014> That's two TRs and a few unofficial ones
[14:00] <bkc> lazy motherfuckers
[14:00] <+Tomahawk> ?
[14:00] <harsha2014> And wasn't Delko supposed to be a cohost?
[14:00] <+Tomahawk> im official
[14:00] <+Tomahawk> yh wheres delko
[14:00] <%San_Pellegrino> delko is on a dinner date
[14:01] <harsha2014> cute
[14:01] <harsha2014> Lol.
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[14:01] <%San_Pellegrino> alright, so threats?
[14:01] <ninja> is this the lecture
[14:01] <harsha2014> Yea
[14:02] <+Tomahawk> lemme take a look
[14:02] <bkc> cm hp fire latios
[14:02] <+Tomahawk> yh
[14:02] <harsha2014> Yeah.
[14:02] <bkc> sets up on scizor's superpower
[14:02] <bkc> rapes everything
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[14:03] <bkc> tbh i'd just make scizor a scarf variant
[14:03] <bkc> it helps with latios
[14:03] <Cherub_Agent> dont want to miss the lecture
[14:03] <bkc> and it also helps with np celebi
01[14:03] <ShakeItUp> Volt-Turn.
[14:03] <bkc> who is a huge pain in the ass
[14:03] <ninja> isnt CM latios very rare
[14:03] <harsha2014> Hmm. What about opposing VoltTurn
[14:03] <harsha2014> Oh ninja'd
01[14:03] <ShakeItUp> lol
[14:03] <harsha2014> XD
[14:03] <bkc> volt turn isnt that big a deal
[14:03] <bkc> ferro's sr limits their switching
[14:03] <DoughBoy> yeah I can see the team being weak to opposing Scizor except for Salamence
[14:03] <+Nachos> i dont think latios is that bad of a problem
[14:03] <Rewer> play good with mence
[14:04] <Rewer> u can smash trought volturn
[14:04] <+Nachos> he has scizoe + starmie
[14:04] <bkc> plus scizor doesnt like taking iron barbs damage lol
[14:04] <Sirrr> where this lect @
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01[14:04] <ShakeItUp> hp fire sweeps thoug (cm latias)...his only hope is to trick it
01[14:04] <ShakeItUp> with rotom-w
[14:04] <harsha2014> Lots of Rotom-W have HP Ice, so Mence doesn't help. I guess Ferrothorn is an adequate stop, though.
[14:04] <bkc> i said cm latios lol
[14:04] <bkc> but yea same thing
01[14:04] <ShakeItUp> ya
01[14:04] <ShakeItUp> lol
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[14:04] <yee> could someone please link this team
[14:05] <harsha2014> XD
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[14:05] <+Nachos> how does it sweep
[14:05] <Keiran> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461929
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461929
[14:05] <harsha2014> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461929
[14:05] <bkc> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461929
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> lol
[14:05] <harsha2014> XD
[14:05] <Rewer> dragons in general
[14:05] <+Tomahawk> wow
[14:05] <+Nachos> he bullet punches it with scizor
[14:05] <yee> oh wow thanks
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> k too many links.
[14:05] <DittoCrow> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461929
[14:05] <bkc> first
[14:05] <Limi> lol
[14:05] <Keiran> I am a true ninja.
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> it can live 1 nacho
[14:05] <bkc> scizors bp doesnt ko it lol
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> nachos*
[14:05] <+Nachos> then revenges with starmie ice beam
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> especially cm latias
[14:05] <bkc> latias is more worrying that latios bc its bulkier
[14:05] <Sirrr> where does everyone get these awesome pics for their rmts -_-
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> leftovers starmie ice beam isnt very
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> strong
01[14:05] <ShakeItUp> lol
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[14:05] <+Nachos> it will ko after a bullet punch
[14:05] <harsha2014> That's true.
01[14:06] <ShakeItUp> depends
[14:06] <%San_Pellegrino> yeah most dragons have their way with this team
01[14:06] <ShakeItUp> on how many
01[14:06] <ShakeItUp> cms he have.
[14:06] <DoughBoy> @sirr i use pldh
[14:06] <+Tomahawk> also qd volcarona
01[14:06] <ShakeItUp> has*
[14:06] <+Nachos> he'll only have 1
[14:06] <Sirrr> whats pldh
[14:06] <harsha2014> Sprites website.
[14:06] <LizardMan> Sub CM Jirachi in rain looks a bit annoying.
[14:06] <Keiran> pldh.net
[14:06] <+Tomahawk> cause mence draco meteor doesnt do much after  a quiver dance or two
[14:06] <LizardMan> Since it can set-up on Ferro
[14:06] <Rewer> tbh id change mence
[14:06] <Rewer> to scarf
[14:06] <Rewer> moxie
[14:06] <Rewer> helps with cm lati
[14:06] <Sirrr> link please
[14:06] <Rewer> volc
[14:06] <+Nachos> i agree
[14:07] <Sirrr> nvm
[14:07] <yee> thats a good idea
[14:07] <yee> but
[14:07] <harsha2014> Does ScarfMoxie Mence carry Fire Blast?
[14:07] <yee> still need to watch out for hp rock/ice
01[14:07] <ShakeItUp> cm latias sweeps for usre with hp fire. Bullet Punch + Starmie Ice Beam has no chasnce of koing after a calm mind.
[14:07] <AceAttorney> most of the ones i met yes harsha
[14:07] <DoughBoy> if he changes it to a moxiemence then wouldn't he have more trouble with volt turn?
[14:07] <Rewer> u cant cover everything
01[14:07] <ShakeItUp> chance*
[14:07] <yee> still sweepss 6-0
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[14:07] <Rewer> i guess
[14:07] <Rewer> u can add
[14:07] <bkc> yea scizor does only 48.6% - 57.1%
[14:07] <Rewer> quick attack
[14:07] <Rewer> on scizor
[14:07] <+Nachos> who uses cm latias
[14:07] <Rewer> so u have a shot
01[14:07] <ShakeItUp> Ice Beam: 92-110 (25.27 - 30.21%)
01[14:07] <ShakeItUp> after +1
[14:07] <+Nachos> especially with gp:fire
[14:07] <+Nachos> hp:fire
[14:07] <harsha2014> I use CM Latias
[14:07] <harsha2014> Lol
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[14:07] <yee> ive seen it higher on ladder
01[14:07] <ShakeItUp> it's relatively common
[14:07] <yee> blue blur was using it
[14:08] <bkc> lefties starmie does 25.3% - 30.2%
[14:08] <bkc> fuck ninjad
01[14:08] <ShakeItUp> lol.
[14:08] <bkc> but yeah
[14:08] <Rewer> hence why
[14:08] <Rewer> moxie mence
[14:08] <Rewer> would be good
[14:08] <+Nachos> its an uncommon threat lol
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[14:08] <ninja> stop highlighting me guys
[14:08] <Rewer> lmao
[14:08] <harsha2014> CM Latias isn't uncommon...
[14:08] <+Nachos> yeah moxie mence is a good idea
[14:08] <harsha2014> I've been fucked by it a bunch of times
[14:08] <harsha2014> lol
[14:08] <Rewer> well yes it is its quite rare
[14:08] <+Tomahawk> also subhydreigon
[14:08] <Improbable> spdef tran
[14:08] <+Tomahawk> if that even exists
[14:09] <yee> hmm you could run a heatran somewhere
[14:09] <harsha2014> SubHydreigon does well
[14:09] <yee> oh lol
[14:09] <ninja> in january 70% of latias had CM
[14:09] <DoughBoy> starmie isn't going to be spining on ferro for long :o
01[14:09] <ShakeItUp> its on the analysis so it does exist now
01[14:09] <ShakeItUp> lol
[14:09] <Improbable> counters latias to an extent
[14:09] <+Nachos> it is #40 used on the ladder
[14:09] <harsha2014> I use SubHydreigon too. :P
[14:09] <+Tomahawk> also expert belt hydreigon
[14:09] <Rewer> sub hydreigon too
[14:09] <+Tomahawk> but not so much
[14:09] <Rewer> dragons with fire move
[14:09] <+Nachos> and even then, it usually has mono dragon move
[14:09] <Rewer> in general
[14:09] <Rewer> to be honest
[14:09] <Rewer> lol
[14:09] <Keiran> whats
[14:10] <yee> you could run heatran over ferro and gastro over rotom-w if you want to cover everything
[14:10] <+Nachos> isnt like every team weak to hydregion though on paper....
[14:10] <harsha2014> Infernape can do a lot of damage and U-turn out on Rotom and Slowbro
[14:10] <harsha2014> And switch on Starmie
[14:10] <yee> yeah nachos
[14:10] <Rewer> how does
[14:10] <Rewer> nape
[14:10] <+Tomahawk> how does starmie beat rotom
[14:10] <Rewer> swith on stamire
[14:10] <Rewer> lol
[14:10] <+Nachos> unless you have blissey or jellicent if theyre not running dpulse
[14:10] <yee> unless they have stuff like gastro
[14:11] <+Tomahawk> he has slowbro, starmie, rotom
[14:11] <yee> that can take hits all day
[14:11] <+Tomahawk> infernape is not troubleseom
[14:11] <harsha2014> But it's Specs Rotom
[14:11] <+Nachos> yeah gastro works
[14:11] <bkc> how is ape a problem
[14:11] <harsha2014> So he can U-turn out
[14:11] <Rewer> he has
[14:11] <bkc> he has rotomw, slowbro, and starmie
[14:11] <Rewer> slowbro
[14:11] <+Nachos> but hes uncommon now with thund banned
[14:11] <Rewer> it walls ape
[14:11] <Rewer> all day
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[14:11] <harsha2014> U-turn out :P
[14:11] <Rewer> regenerator bro
[14:11] <Olympus> If you run heatran, he can drop fire blast on Mixmence for outrage to help take out Volcarona
[14:11] <+Tomahawk> well then you say anything with uturn is troublesome
[14:12] <+Tomahawk> because they can uturn out of their switchin
[14:12] <Rewer> another problem
[14:12] <%San_Pellegrino> moxie mence takes out volc, if he makes that change, olympus
[14:12] <harsha2014> I guess so
[14:12] <Rewer> but not so much
[14:12] <Rewer> is
[14:12] <Rewer> virizion
[14:12] <Rewer> if well played
[14:12] <yee> well depending on heatrans set
[14:12] <yee> he may be able to stay in
[14:12] <yee> scizor/mence check
[14:12] <yee> although neither can switch in lol
[14:12] <+Nachos> moxiemence also helps with viri
[14:13] <+Nachos> +1 viri lives starmie ice beam
[14:13] <harsha2014> We're assuming Scarf Mence and Heatran over Ferrothorn?
[14:13] <DoughBoy> shouldn't specs rotom run grass? it isn't outspeeding those dragons
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[14:13] <yee> any viri lives starmie ice beam
[14:13] <%San_Pellegrino> if he takes out ferrothorn he loses all of his (good) water and electric pivots
[14:13] <yee> thats why i have gastro
[14:13] <Rewer> he has
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[14:14] <Rewer> slowbro
[14:14] <Rewer> salamence
[14:14] <Rewer> starmie
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[14:14] <yee> the team is water heavy though
[14:14] <Rewer> + water resist
[14:14] <Rewer> rain is not a problem, this team matchups very well vs rain
[14:14] <yee> thats the only thing i cant think of any non bp-esque threats that leaves unchecked
[14:14] <+Tomahawk> also scizor kinda takes on virizion
[14:14] <harsha2014> Is Thunder Wave over Fire Blast on Slowbro a good suggestion?
[14:15] <yee> you could have specially bulky sd if you wanna check it badly
[14:15] <Rewer> with starmie no recover
[14:15] <Rewer> u dont want ferro
[14:15] <Rewer> to set up too much on you
[14:15] <yee> and that allows you to paralyze virizion because it never OHKOes pro bro
[14:15] <Rewer> and forry
[14:15] <yee> im gonna plug this into marriland
[14:16] <Olympus> Does Slowbro live a +2 Leafblade from virizion?
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[14:16] <yee> no
[14:16] <harsha2014> Not +2, no.
[14:16] <yee> unless its lum or something
[14:16] <yee> LO it cant live
[14:16] <+Nachos> i'd be more concerned about giga drain lol
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[14:17] <yee> that doesnt KO unboosted
[14:17] <yee> if it has LO it comes close
[14:17] <Rewer> sd virzion suck anyway
[14:17] <yee> btw this team has a great set of resistances
[14:17] <Rewer> cm much better imo
[14:17] <yee> yeah
[14:19] <+Tomahawk> okay, so far:
[14:19] <+Tomahawk> hp fire lati@s
[14:19] <yee> heatran gastrodon starmie scizor scarfmence slowbro
[14:19] <yee> we have hp fire latias covered with heatran gastro and scarfmence
[14:19] <yee> and a bulky sciz would live at full health if needed
[14:19] <+Tomahawk> volc
[14:19] <+Tomahawk> subhyhdreigon
[14:19] <+Nachos> virizion
[14:20] <%San_Pellegrino> what heatran set
[14:20] <yee> not sure yet
[14:20] <bkc> air balloon works fine
[14:20] <yee> but spD can take on volc, revenge with mence if it has hp ground
[14:20] <%San_Pellegrino> i would run baloon
[14:20] <yee> hydreigon is walled by gastro if its sub set
[14:20] <yee> virizion cant OHKO anything off the bat assuming tran is defensive and is revenged by scizor or mence
[14:20] <bkc> gastro beats cm latias with toxic too which is cool
[14:20] <+Tomahawk> since when are heatran and gastrodon on the team
[14:20] <yee> or fairly well countered by a bulky sciz
[14:21] <yee> thats what i recommended to cover as many things as possible
[14:21] <+Tomahawk> oh okay
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[14:21] <harsha2014> hmm.
[14:23] <+Tomahawk> also i dont see why the gastrodon change is necessary
[14:23] <%Aerrow> has the workshop started?
[14:23] <yee> it gives him a switch to electric attacks
[14:23] <harsha2014> Yea
[14:23] <yee> rotom-w
[14:23] <%San_Pellegrino> yes aerrow
[14:23] <Olympus> to help deal with volt-turn
[14:23] <%San_Pellegrino> gastro gives him a better defensive pivot than rotom-w
[14:23] <yee> and subhydreigon/cm latias are walled by it
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[14:23] <%San_Pellegrino> and this really isn't a volt-turn team anyway
[14:24] <+Tomahawk> heatran also beats cm latias
[14:24] <+Tomahawk> but okay
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[14:24] <harsha2014> But Heatran gets wrecked by SubHydreigon with Surf / Focus Blast
[14:24] <bkc> heatran doesnt stop the momentum of volt turn
[14:24] <bkc> and that
[14:24] <DoughBoy> even with protect?
[14:25] <bkc> i also like gastrodon because, as lizardman said, subcm rachi under rain is a dick to this team
[14:25] <bkc> yes, even with protect
[14:25] <yee> gastrodon wrecks subhydreigon though
[14:25] <harsha2014> Yeah
[14:25] <bkc> exactly
[14:25] <+Tomahawk> k'
[14:25] <bkc> heatran comes in on scizor u-turn
[14:25] <bkc> landorus
[14:25] <bkc> protect
[14:25] <bkc> uturn
[14:25] <bkc> oh wait its ebelt
[14:25] <bkc> dead to eq
[14:25] <harsha2014> Lol
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[14:25] <Rewer> real men dont even protect
[14:25] <Rewer> like a baws
[14:26] <%San_Pellegrino> i think the most relevant changes have been suggested already
[14:26] <Olympus> can someone recap all the changes made up to this point.
[14:26] <bkc> gastrodon i think
[14:26] <%San_Pellegrino> gastro > rotom-w, scarfmoxie>LO, heatran > ferro
[14:26] <yee> yes
[14:26] <bkc> wait no why are we using heatran
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[14:26] <harsha2014> Yep
[14:26] <Rewer> what tran set
[14:26] <bkc> for volc?
[14:26] <yee> to help with volc mostly yeah
[14:27] <bkc> scarf mence + gastro both beat volc
[14:27] <yee> well they can
01[14:27] <ShakeItUp> yeah why do we need heatran lol
[14:27] <yee> but scarfmence isnt a counter
[14:27] <Rewer> scarf mence wrecks volc
[14:27] <yee> and gastro doesnt beat chesto rest
01[14:27] <ShakeItUp> scarfmence is good enough
[14:27] <bkc> i would personally keep ferro because sr + spikes is awesome and shit
[14:27] <harsha2014> Volc can set up on Gastro after one boost, can't it?
01[14:27] <ShakeItUp> not if u run eq
[14:27] <bkc> toxic
[14:27] <yee> you better hope rocks arent up
[14:27] <Rewer> toxic
[14:27] <%San_Pellegrino> he's not using spikes bkc
[14:27] <+Tomahawk> i agree with bkc
01[14:27] <ShakeItUp> or toxic
[14:27] <harsha2014> Oh, right
[14:27] <Rewer> well
[14:27] <bkc> yea but he should use them because spikes are good!
[14:27] <yee> chesto rest doesnt care about eq or toxic
[14:27] <Rewer> scarf mence has a useless 4th move be a weird guy and run rock slide
01[14:27] <ShakeItUp> scarfmence kills chestorest anyway
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> lol
[14:28] <Olympus> Heatran helps with sun in general, not just Volc's
[14:28] <bkc> chestorest is walled by scarfmence
[14:28] <bkc> rewer, it gets stone edge lol
[14:28] <yee> that means switching your revenge killer into things
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> it seems like we're changing too much stuff just to deal with volc
[14:28] <Rewer> it misses
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> -_-
[14:28] <Rewer> :(
[14:28] <yee> it takes like 30% from a fiery dance in sun
[14:28] <yee> and rocks damage if those are up
[14:28] <Rewer> make sure u spin then
[14:28] <bkc> gastro + mence checks volc well enough for this team imo
[14:28] <Rewer> because u need mence
[14:28] <Rewer> and
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> we are assuming
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> too much
[14:28] <Rewer> starmie etc
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> with this volc
[14:28] <bkc> i dont think we need to screw with the synergy any more
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> we cant assume
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> that volc is in sun
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> with chesto rest
[14:28] <yee> yes we can
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> if we're assuming that we might as well assume
01[14:28] <ShakeItUp> it runs hp ground
[14:29] <bkc> if volc is in sun, its running morning sun lol
01[14:29] <ShakeItUp> which can kill heatran
01[14:29] <ShakeItUp> -_-
[14:29] <yee> we might as well assume someone is using one of the most common sets
[14:29] <DoughBoy> if we can assume landorus has e-belt i think we can assume that...
[14:29] <%San_Pellegrino> someone earlier said heatran was less set up bait compared to ferro
[14:29] <yee> which is ridiculous
[14:29] <+Nachos> if volc is in sun its running the bulky set which is the best volc set
[14:29] <bkc> i don't think we need a counter AND two checks just to beat volcarona
01[14:29] <ShakeItUp> chestorest isnt even that common lol
01[14:29] <ShakeItUp> yeah i agree with bkc
01[14:29] <ShakeItUp> this is too much.
[14:29] <bkc> two checks is fine imo
[14:29] <bkc> how about, to compromise, we say we recommend:
01[14:30] <ShakeItUp> it's not like volcarona is like in the top 5 percent usage or anything, we dont need to overprepare for it this much.
[14:30] <Rewer> gastro + slowbro + starmie is a bit redundant as well
[14:30] <Rewer> how about
[14:30] <yee> so tell me
[14:30] <Rewer> tangrowth > slowbro
[14:30] <Rewer> ?
01[14:30] <ShakeItUp> why
[14:30] <yee> what is gonna handle venusaur?
[14:30] <bkc> Gastrodon > Rotom-W, Scarf Moxie Mence > Mixed, (Optional) SpDef Heatran > Ferrothorn
01[14:30] <ShakeItUp> we dont need to change stuff unnecessarily
[14:30] <yee> the waters are fine we have all the resists we need
[14:30] <yee> the resist chart is great
[14:30] <Rewer> well siup the synergy between the defensive core
[14:30] <Rewer> must be good
[14:30] <+Tomahawk>  salamence handles venusaur
[14:31] <yee> no it doesnt
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[14:31] <harsha2014> Under Sun, it can't.
[14:31] <yee> it gets OHKOed by LO sludge bomb
[14:31] <DoughBoy> sludge bomb?
[14:31] <bkc> +2 sludge bomb wrecks it
[14:31] <PenguinX> pretty sun lo sludge bomb kos
[14:31] <harsha2014> mhm
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[14:31] <PenguinX> and then theres always the odd hp ice anyway
[14:31] <yee> probably doesnt even need a boost
01[14:31] <ShakeItUp> we dont need to sacrifice ferrothorn for heatran
[14:31] <yee> doesnt do a thing to subseed sets either
01[14:31] <ShakeItUp> to deal with 1 pokemon
[14:31] <+Tomahawk> yh but eq koes heatran
01[14:31] <ShakeItUp> -_-
[14:31] <Rewer> no one uses eq
[14:31] <yee> so now volc and venusaur
[14:31] <Rewer> actually
[14:31] <Rewer> we could bring weather to this team
01[14:31] <ShakeItUp> 44   | Venusaur        | 15987  |  4.137% | 12744  |  3.951%
[14:31] <yee> its like were trying to patch up a sun weakness
01[14:31] <ShakeItUp> no reason to change 1 poke
01[14:31] <ShakeItUp> to deal with venusaur
01[14:31] <ShakeItUp> lol
[14:31] <bkc> scarf tar?!?!?!
[14:32] <yee> thats OU
[14:32] <Rewer> yea perhaps
[14:32] <harsha2014> lol
[14:32] <bkc> i like scarftar its cool
01[14:32] <ShakeItUp> what poke are we changing for scarftar.
[14:32] <yee> what does scarftar do for the team?
[14:32] <bkc> checks venu, weather control
[14:32] <harsha2014> Wait, so what do we have now? And were we serious about ScarfTar? o_o
[14:32] <Rewer> helps against weather-dependant teams
[14:32] <DoughBoy> life orb starmie in the sand :o
[14:32] <bkc> stone edge does a shitload
[14:33] <yee> thats a bad check to venu
[14:33] <Olympus> How about scarf Terrakion oven mence
[14:33] <Rewer> thats not meant to be a check to venu
[14:33] <Rewer> u cancel sand
[14:33] <Rewer> then switch
[14:33] <Rewer> sun*
[14:33] <bkc> scarf terra is a good idea......................
01[14:33] <ShakeItUp> it's just a venusaur, it's not that big of a problem. it's not on every team lol
[14:33] <Rewer> (if not in the range for stone)
[14:33] <bkc> beats volc, checks venu
[14:33] <harsha2014> Yeah...
[14:33] <+Nachos> ya
[14:33] <yee> so lets lose to every one we see great idea
[14:33] <+Nachos> what moves is this veny running
01[14:33] <ShakeItUp> u cant cover everything in this metagame
01[14:33] <ShakeItUp> x.x
[14:34] <+Nachos> growth hp fire sludge grass move
[14:34] <+Nachos> venu*
01[14:34] <ShakeItUp> and no we wont lose to every venusaur
01[14:34] <ShakeItUp> just those
01[14:34] <ShakeItUp> with sludge bomb
[14:34] <yee> so lets cover less things?
01[14:34] <ShakeItUp> which isnt even
01[14:34] <ShakeItUp> seen on all of them
01[14:34] <ShakeItUp> x.x
[14:34] <yee> subseed beats everything else
[14:34] <Olympus> sleep powder is quite common on Vena too
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[14:34] <yee> what does ferro contribute?
[14:34] <+Nachos> yeah everyone uses sleep powder because sleep is awesome in bw
[14:35] <+Nachos> so thats less sludge bombs thrown around
01[14:35] <ShakeItUp> stealth rock.
[14:35] <yee> heatran does too
[14:35] <yee> oh btw cm reuniclus / tr rank
[14:35] <yee> forgot about those
[14:35] <Rewer> scizor
[14:35] <yee> that just means bulkier sciz with roost IMO
01[14:35] <ShakeItUp> it lets him take rotom-w.
[14:35] <+Nachos> yeah just make scizor bulky
[14:35] <Rewer> beats reuniclus
[14:35] <yee> yeah but its CB
[14:35] <+Nachos> actually
[14:35] <Rewer> it can take a hit
[14:35] <Rewer> and ko
[14:36] <Rewer> unless hp fire
[14:36] <harsha2014> We already said change Scizor to bulky I think
[14:36] <+Nachos> no, because he needs cb scizor
[14:36] <+Nachos> actually idk
[14:36] <harsha2014> Yeah, bulky CBZor
[14:36] <+Nachos> he needs both lol
[14:36] <yee> not bulky cb zor
[14:36] <bkc> bulky uturn sd
[14:36] <Scarfwynaut> use syther
[14:36] <yee> he would need roost to actually take care of rank
[14:36] <Olympus> TR with HP fire can be a problem
[14:36] <Rewer> why uturn sd
[14:36] <harsha2014> I see
[14:36] <bkc> bluff cb early sweep late
[14:36] <Rewer> he needs the boost priority
[14:36] <bkc> iron plate
[14:36] <yee> i like LO better personally
[14:37] <yee> because u turn is so pathetic with iron plate
[14:37] <+Nachos> you can kinda tell from the weak u-turn that it isnt cb though
[14:37] <Rewer> yea
[14:37] <Rewer> id keep cb
[14:37] <Rewer> it does well
[14:37] <Rewer> vs ranki
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[14:38] <yee> roost sciz with bug bite does much better
[14:38] <Rewer> cb priority is worth it imo
[14:38] <bkc> where is that noob new world order
[14:38] <harsha2014> I guess there's no need to switch out, and Bug Bite does more damage.
[14:38] <harsha2014> And lol
[14:38] <Rewer> "don't invoke the name"
[14:39] <yee> what does he particularly need cb priority for?
[14:39] <DoughBoy> terrakion?
[14:39] <harsha2014> SD priority does the same thing, but better after the boost.
[14:39] <harsha2014> :P
[14:39] <yee> LO does that fine
[14:39] <Rewer> dragons, terrakion, etc...
[14:39] <Rewer> its just a better set
[14:39] <yee> well assuming air balloon tran
01[14:39] <ShakeItUp> dragonite
[14:39] <yee> he wont need to switch into dragons at all
[14:39] <yee> cb doesnt exactly deal with that
[14:40] <harsha2014> 20 minutes :o
[14:41] <Rewer> 20 min fo what
[14:41] <bkc> k so
[14:41] <harsha2014> These smilies are obnoixious.
[14:41] <bkc> how about we go with
[14:41] <harsha2014> *obnoxious
[14:41] <bkc> the original set of suggestions
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[14:41] <bkc> Gastrodon > Rotom-W | ScarfMence / Scarf Terrakion > Mixmence | Heatran > Ferrothorn
[14:41] <Rewer> yep
[14:41] <Rewer> team is
[14:41] <yee> and bulky sciz IMO
[14:41] <bkc> that seems best to me
[14:41] <harsha2014> Sounds good.
01[14:41] <ShakeItUp> it seems like we're changing too much lol
01[14:41] <ShakeItUp> but meh
01[14:41] <ShakeItUp> other than that.
[14:42] <Olympus> looks good to me.
01[14:42] <ShakeItUp> 2 pokes and a set / another poke
[14:42] <bkc> thats why i wanted to keep ferro but tran is too valuable
01[14:42] <ShakeItUp> potentially we're changing half his team
01[14:42] <ShakeItUp> ._.
[14:42] <bkc> if we keep it, it's weak to alot of shit
[14:42] <yee> volc with a hidden power can 6-0 him if it hits mence
01[14:42] <ShakeItUp> .
01[14:42] <ShakeItUp> that's dumb logic
[14:42] <Rewer> slowbro / gastrodon / starmie / scarf mence / heatran / scizor
01[14:42] <ShakeItUp> he could very well be running hp ground and kill heatran too
01[14:42] <ShakeItUp> -_-
[14:42] <Rewer> i just dont like
[14:42] <yee> yeah but he cant run both
[14:42] <Rewer> slowbro / gastro / starmie
[14:42] <Rewer> its
[14:42] <Rewer> very redundant
[14:42] <yee> you can cover ice punch luke
[14:42] <bkc> 3 waters is kind of redundant...
[14:42] <Rewer> but whatever
[14:42] <+Tomahawk> maybe its tim,e for a new team
[14:42] <+Tomahawk> js
[14:43] <yee> and be weak to crunch
[14:43] <bkc> hold on tomahawk
[14:43] <bkc> lets finalize it
01[14:43] <ShakeItUp> yeah but can he run one
[14:43] <bkc> so final team is
01[14:43] <ShakeItUp> so u cant say that he can be 6-0'd by hp rock volc
01[14:43] <ShakeItUp> x.x
[14:43] <yee> what are you trying to say?
[14:43] <bkc> Slowbro | Gastrodon | Starmie | ScarfMence | SpD Heatran | Bulky SD Scizor
[14:43] <Rewer> tran is baloon
[14:43] <bkc> yea my b
[14:43] <bkc> balloon tran
[14:44] <yee> he will only run the volc your weak to?
[14:44] <bkc> lets end this, this is getting a bit ridiculous
[14:44] <harsha2014> XD
[14:44] <Rewer> well man scarf mence + gastrodon + tran
[14:44] <Rewer> more than enough
[14:44] <bkc> Slowbro | Gastrodon | Starmie | ScarfMence | Balloon Heatran | Bulky SD Scizor
[14:44] <Rewer> coverage to volc
[14:44] <Rewer> more is paranoid
[14:44] <bkc> does that look good to everyone
[14:44] <yee> i like that
[14:44] <harsha2014> Fine by me
[14:44] <%San_Pellegrino> okay