4:02:38 PMCommissarBrianWhat kind of evidence of involvement do you have on him?
4:02:40 PMbloc|41332but this isnt just about swede
4:03:01 PMbloc|41332im not at liberty to share that yet
4:03:05 PMbloc|41332But
4:03:15 PMCommissarBrianHonestly, if it involves lower BAMF members, they have an infinite amount of plausible deniability
4:03:24 PMbloc|41332yes
4:03:25 PMCommissarBrianThey can hide behind leadership
4:03:39 PMCommissarBrianthat's why people like Emily can do stupid stuff and then come running to me : s
4:03:41 PMbloc|41332also this involves Twain, Jaffa, lllIIIll
4:03:50 PMCommissarBrianalright then
4:03:53 PMCommissarBrianall leaders
4:04:03 PMCommissarBrianlimited deniability if you have solid evidence
4:04:06 PMbloc|41332all the chan leaders
4:04:23 PMCommissarBrianWhy plot against another chan alliance though?
4:04:25 PMbloc|41332we are tired of them pulling strings
4:04:41 PMCommissarBrianare they aware of how non-chanlike Robo and Innawoods is by this point O_o
4:04:53 PMCommissarBrianor are they scared of you guys getting big?
4:05:05 PMbloc|41332especially when its STRONGLY suspected they had much involvement in the breaking of inna
4:05:22 PMbloc|41332i dont know, to be honest
4:05:36 PMbloc|41332i think the reasons were "Just because they could"
4:05:37 PMCommissarBrianHave you tried directly confronting those leaders?
4:05:41 PMbloc|41332yes
4:05:46 PMCommissarBrianPerhaps it's better to make friends than to make enemies?
4:05:57 PMCommissarBrianYou have to keep in mind that they don't know your motives either.
4:06:04 PMCommissarBrianThey may think you're trying to usurp them
4:06:12 PMbloc|41332Twain rebuffed me, Swede wont divulge anything, barcode sent me an odd comm and hasnt gotten back to my response
4:06:13 PMCommissarBrianas well as Innawoods
4:06:24 PMbloc|41332nyet
4:06:32 PMbloc|41332we want them to stop pulling strings
4:06:36 PMbloc|41332of us
4:06:40 PMbloc|41332of our friends
4:06:46 PMbloc|41332of BLOC in general
4:06:51 PMCommissarBrianThat's how I felt with the CGL : s
4:07:13 PMbloc|41332im not sure if CGL was in on this
4:07:15 PMCommissarBrianAnd as far as the strings of Bloc, I can tell you right now that they don't pull all the strings
4:07:25 PMCommissarBrianWhat were they in on?
4:07:26 PMbloc|41332perhaps not all of them
4:07:37 PMbloc|41332but we have had enough
4:07:38 PMCommissarBrianor... possibly in on?
4:07:56 PMCommissarBrian: s
4:07:59 PMbloc|41332i dont think CGL is zion, would make no sense to me
4:08:07 PMbloc|41332****makes no sense to me
4:08:14 PMCommissarBrianI'm not sure what they're doing to you yet
4:08:26 PMCommissarBrianIs it over raiding and disrespect?
4:08:31 PMbloc|41332no
4:08:40 PMbloc|41332its over orchestrating the breaking of inna
4:08:42 PMCommissarBrianThat's what I was assuming : s
4:08:55 PMCommissarBrianOld inna or new inna?
4:08:59 PMbloc|41332and allegedly the breaking of BC
4:09:07 PMbloc|41332the one inna
4:09:11 PMbloc|41332before we broke
4:09:24 PMbloc|41332they ran Robo imo
4:09:28 PMCommissarBrianWas Swede telling Skin what to do? : s
4:09:34 PMbloc|41332i dont think so
4:09:40 PMbloc|41332i am controlling skin right now
4:09:48 PMbloc|41332i can find out though
4:09:48 PMCommissarBrianHow did they orchestrate the break then? : o
4:09:54 PMbloc|41332Controlled Robo
4:10:06 PMCommissarBrianhmm : /
4:10:13 PMbloc|41332Skin acted on his own accord imo
4:10:18 PMbloc|41332tried shitty coup
4:10:19 PMbloc|41332failed
4:10:41 PMbloc|41332was an opportunity for outside influence
4:10:41 PMCommissarBrianIt seems like Robo was put in a corner to where he had to listen to Swede
4:10:54 PMCommissarBrianWhen Robo authorized a Comintern invasion, I asked Jenkins about it.
4:11:00 PMbloc|41332that, or perhaps possibly willing to from the start
4:11:08 PMCommissarBrianIt was originally thought that Robo would act favorably towards us.
4:11:11 PMbloc|41332commie invasion was BS
4:11:14 PMbloc|41332MUH PEST
4:11:17 PMCommissarBrianSince we had Jekins and stuff
4:11:18 PMbloc|41332OH MUH PEST
4:11:21 PMCommissarBrianJenkins*
4:11:31 PMCommissarBrianA lot of it was over the CGL invading the Dinos
4:11:45 PMCommissarBrianI don't think it was fair for them to attack us instead of the CGL
4:11:46 PMbloc|41332the MEF/Commie war was dumb as well
4:11:55 PMCommissarBrianmost definitely
4:11:59 PMCommissarBrianopportunism at its best
4:12:08 PMbloc|41332AND it comes back to channers though
4:12:16 PMbloc|41332i didnt think it at the time
4:12:30 PMCommissarBrianWait a second here
4:12:39 PMCommissarBrianI'll try to remedy this situation the best I can
4:12:52 PMbloc|41332but all of these events were acted upon opportunistically by zion
4:12:57 PMCommissarBrianI've been talking to Swede a good bit now, and I want to ask him about INNAWDS
4:12:58 PMbloc|41332i dont know what you can do man
4:13:04 PMbloc|41332go ahead
4:13:07 PMbloc|41332but be careful
4:13:11 PMCommissarBrianI want to see what his view is
4:13:19 PMCommissarBrianyour name won't be mentioned
4:13:26 PMCommissarBrianI'll just say Pleb started talking to me
4:13:27 PMbloc|41332and feel free to break off from him if you ever wish
4:14:03 PMCommissarBrianI want to get him to stop interfering with your alliance
4:14:26 PMCommissarBrianor at least to try to get him to see that INNAWDS can grow into a positive influence for Bloc
4:14:41 PMbloc|41332go ahead i guess
4:15:01 PMCommissarBrianI need more details though, because I still don't understand what he's been doing lol
4:15:07 PMCommissarBrianWho is Zion, what has he been doing
4:15:14 PMCommissarBrianwhat is Swede's involvement, etc.
4:15:34 PMCommissarBrianI don't want to go in there criticizing him for plotting the old innawoods revolution
4:15:46 PMCommissarBrianthat wouldn't help at all since it happened so long ago
4:16:03 PMbloc|41332brotherhood of zion m8
4:16:13 PMbloc|41332BoZ
4:16:27 PMbloc|41332the chan leader circlejerk
4:16:37 PMbloc|41332thing is, i cant share my info without permission
4:16:43 PMbloc|41332or i wont share it rather
4:16:49 PMCommissarBrianI understand
4:17:01 PMCommissarBrianIs this WaW related, or is it purely Bloc affiliated
4:17:08 PMbloc|41332BLOC
4:17:27 PMbloc|41332i never got into WaW
4:17:33 PMCommissarBrianI've been heard BoZ talked about a little bit
4:17:39 PMCommissarBrianbut I've never looked into it
4:17:46 PMCommissarBrianWhat did they do to you recently?
4:17:51 PMCommissarBrianyou don't have to show proof
4:17:58 PMbloc|41332circlejerk of highest chan leaders
4:18:00 PMCommissarBrianwas it a shill caught or what?
4:18:45 PMbloc|41332it is suspicion and evidence of robo taking orders from higher up
4:18:51 PMbloc|41332before this who GGU thing
4:19:13 PMCommissarBrianhmm
4:19:14 PMbloc|41332there is also info
4:19:20 PMCommissarBrian?
4:19:35 PMbloc|41332about Helvis taking orders from them, or swede specifically
4:19:39 PMbloc|41332disbanding BC
4:20:00 PMCommissarBrianI actually got some information about Helvis and who motivated him
4:20:10 PMbloc|41332only share if you wish
4:20:28 PMCommissarBrianI was talking to /k/ earlier, and he was talking to Helvis
4:20:38 PMCommissarBrianHe thought that Suleiman was Kirino
4:20:50 PMCommissarBrianand Helvis didn't want to be a Kirino-enabler
4:20:54 PMCommissarBrianso he ejected the alliance
4:21:00 PMbloc|41332that.... is a rumor that is being used as a cover
4:21:13 PMCommissarBrianI asked Kirino about all of it though, and Suleiman definitely isn't Kirino.
4:21:15 PMbloc|41332the person who started that told me his reasons
4:21:34 PMbloc|41332and that he knew for a fact sullie wasnt kirino
4:21:45 PMCommissarBrianI was talking to Swede the whole time during the possible BC war against us
4:21:58 PMCommissarBrianHe wanted us to back off from attacking BC
4:22:17 PMbloc|41332and Sulie persisted?
4:22:17 PMCommissarBrianWe were getting a big force ready and I asked him to calm Suleiman down
4:22:32 PMCommissarBrianHe couldn't though
4:22:49 PMbloc|41332yeah...
4:23:08 PMCommissarBrianI only asked him if BAMF was going to fulfill their alliance and hop in on the Comintern dogpile
4:23:17 PMCommissarBrianhe said that he wouldn't
4:23:34 PMCommissarBrianand then he broke off the alliance after seeing how Suleiman was in the peacetalks
4:23:43 PMbloc|41332what reasons do yuo suspect he didnt?
4:23:46 PMbloc|41332*you
4:24:01 PMCommissarBrianThe same reason why Caliph retired after attacking us
4:24:04 PMbloc|41332also Sulei is a dick
4:24:17 PMbloc|41332???
4:24:24 PMCommissarBrianIf you ruin your political image on Bloc by being a warmonger, it makes everything hard as hell.
4:24:36 PMCommissarBrianHere's the situation
4:24:40 PMbloc|41332ok
4:24:42 PMCommissarBrian1. You attack an alliance
4:24:56 PMCommissarBrian2. For whatever reason, the community thinks it is unjust.
4:25:05 PMCommissarBrianyou have two options with two reprimands.
4:25:21 PMCommissarBrian1. You stop the war and seem weak, thus encouraging attacks against your alliance.
4:25:44 PMCommissarBrian2. You seem like a warmonger and make enemies and give them future Casus Bellis to attack you
4:25:55 PMCommissarBrianEither way
4:26:16 PMCommissarBrianlong term, wars don't help much. Good diplomacy is much stonger, and Swede made the diplomatically smart decision
4:26:44 PMCommissarBrianas for the innawoods involvement, I really don't know enough about it to make a strong claim on what was right or wrong, or what even happened.
4:27:01 PMbloc|41332cant argue with that, but i dont think Sulei, even being the dick he is, acted without outside influence
4:27:01 PMCommissarBrianAnd honestly, Bloc is so divided right now that I can't see one person pulling too many strings
4:27:18 PMCommissarBrianSuleiman was waaaaay to proud to be overcome by an outside influence
4:27:19 PMbloc|41332its more than one person
4:27:25 PMCommissarBrianhe was a one man autism-machine
4:27:28 PMbloc|41332lel
4:27:44 PMCommissarBrianSwede and I were trying to get him to get under control for days
4:27:51 PMCommissarBriandays before he came to the mediation
4:28:02 PMCommissarBrianSuleiman was also going to attack AIDS
4:28:08 PMCommissarBrianbut Swede talked him down
4:28:28 PMCommissarBrianshit was no good
4:28:33 PMCommissarBrianEither way
4:28:40 PMCommissarBrianbloc is really divided right now
4:28:48 PMCommissarBrianthere are a bunch of spheres lol
4:28:57 PMbloc|41332my goal of this all
4:29:12 PMbloc|41332if/when everything comes to light
4:29:22 PMbloc|41332is to break the division
4:29:39 PMCommissarBrian1. CGL/Nod Sphere, 2. CIA/Deutsch Afrika Sphere, 3. Swede/4chan Sphere, 4. AA/Oda Sphere, 5. Other/NAM
4:30:10 PMCommissarBrianI can tell you from experience that all these spheres act pretty independently of each other and only combine when there is a popular threat
4:30:12 PMbloc|41332where would you put Cominterm in that?
4:30:21 PMCommissarBrianWe're still trying to find a place : s
4:30:34 PMbloc|41332it seems you guys have cozied up to BAMF
4:30:35 PMbloc|41332but
4:30:45 PMbloc|41332innawds always needs an ally
4:30:58 PMbloc|41332we could accent one another nicely
4:31:00 PMCommissarBrianHonestly, I'd rather have good diplomacy with Sphere
4:31:02 PMbloc|41332if you so wished
4:31:16 PMCommissarBrianSphere's 2-5, and then kind of make out own thing
4:31:18 PMCommissarBrianour*
4:31:47 PMCommissarBrianI don't want to promote the current spheres, but I don't want to be aggressive towards any of them either
4:32:04 PMCommissarBrianBut either way, I would be pretty interested in an MDP
4:32:30 PMCommissarBrianWhatever Swede is doing to you, if we are allied, Swede is sure to back off
4:32:54 PMCommissarBrianRight now it seems like you're only allied to the 4chan sphere, and maybe they think it makes you dependent on them
4:33:34 PMCommissarBrianIf they see that you have an alternative, maybe they won't be so impunitive with their treatment of you.
4:33:50 PMCommissarBrianThat's how I felt the CGL was to me. Ingrateful, etc.
4:33:58 PMbloc|41332we are separating away from 4chan
4:34:07 PMbloc|41332a little at least, to my knowledge
4:34:33 PMCommissarBrianAllying with the Comintern would be a good way to do that.
4:34:40 PMCommissarBrianIt would be beneficial for us too
4:34:40 PMbloc|41332we dont appreciate /int/ and BAMF at this time
4:34:57 PMbloc|41332we signed an MDP with AA in order to branch out
4:35:15 PMbloc|41332and i am going to approach the sealions possibly
4:35:27 PMbloc|41332(well because i really dig AH at least)
4:35:28 PMCommissarBrianIt would be a good way to branch out : s
4:35:46 PMCommissarBrianIf I could have redone it again, I would have made MDPs before I broke away from the CGL
4:36:11 PMCommissarBrianBut being allies with the CGL made it really hard to do MDPs in the first place : /
4:36:42 PMCommissarBrianBack then, there were only 3 spheres. 1. Commie Sphere, 2. 4chan Sphere, and 3. Other
4:37:02 PMCommissarBrian3 didn't want anything to do with 1 and 2
4:37:03 PMbloc|413323 i would consider neutral, and 4 other
4:37:14 PMbloc|413323 was Sealions, AA, etc. imo
4:37:19 PMbloc|41332NAL as well
4:37:33 PMCommissarBrianDA used to collaborate heavily with the 4chan folks
4:37:45 PMCommissarBrianDA is acutally a 4chan immigrant, originally
4:37:49 PMbloc|41332i havnt seen that as much of late
4:37:56 PMCommissarBrianHe was in Yotsuba back in the day
4:37:57 PMbloc|41332but i like DA, he's a bretty cool guy
4:38:02 PMCommissarBrianyup
4:38:13 PMCommissarBrianHe's been breaking away as well
4:38:23 PMCommissarBrianmaybe you'd like to ask him what his reasons were
4:38:31 PMCommissarBrianmaybe he got this same feeling you did?
4:39:24 PMbloc|41332perhaps
4:39:57 PMCommissarBrianEither way, there is a lot of potential for your alliance to break away from your current ties
4:40:08 PMCommissarBrianMaybe you should pull a China-Taiwan type thing
4:40:29 PMCommissarBrianAsk alliance leaders to vouch for the real Innawoods
4:41:03 PMbloc|41332i shall
4:41:05 PMCommissarBrianIf you could get Swede and others to do that, that would hold them publicly responsible for explaining their contradiction
4:41:31 PMCommissarBrianYou could play into that as well
4:41:46 PMCommissarBrianYou could be the lone soul for the unInnawoods
4:42:17 PMCommissarBrianIt would build trust with Robo, and it would also give the forum some room to expand (conversation wise)
4:42:28 PMCommissarBrianbe a devil's advocate for yourself : 3
4:43:14 PMbloc|41332lol
5:01:45 PMbloc|41332i fucking hate script kids as well
5:05:55 PMCommissarBrianyeah : s
5:09:56 PMbloc|41332is it confirmed barcode used a script?
5:10:08 PMbloc|41332i know he has some mid level coding knowledge
5:10:17 PMCommissarBrianHeidi coded it for him
5:10:23 PMbloc|41332fucking lol
5:10:30 PMCommissarBrianBarcode and Heidi used to be in the same alliance
5:10:34 PMbloc|41332to buy/selll troops?
5:10:37 PMbloc|41332also
5:10:48 PMCommissarBrianNah, just for the money
5:10:48 PMbloc|41332>tfw more RM than him, and im just a daytrader
5:10:54 PMCommissarBrianBarcode would legit buy the troops
5:10:58 PMbloc|41332ah
5:11:14 PMbloc|41332http://puu.sh/ad7Dk/2e12775e4f.png
5:11:20 PMbloc|41332current stockpile
5:11:32 PMCommissarBrianheh
5:11:35 PMbloc|41332going to pick up weapons soon i guess
5:11:41 PMbloc|41332but wanted 8 factories first
5:12:02 PMbloc|41332i MIGHT be able to afford 8
5:12:12 PMCommissarBrianI would have a pretty decent stockpile, but it all ends up going to the alliance at one point or another : s
5:12:31 PMbloc|41332nope, need 2250 for 8 factories
5:12:39 PMCommissarBriandamn lol
5:12:45 PMbloc|41332i have loned out like 800 to friends
5:12:54 PMbloc|41332well given