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  1. Session Start: Sat Jun 23 11:29:23 2012
  2. Session Ident: #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  3. 03[11:29] * Now talking in #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  4. 03[11:29] * Topic is 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (1) Implement User:Tux/Global bot policy and User:Tux/Global rights policy'
  5. 03[11:29] * Set by Tux!~tux@tropicalwikis/Frozen-Wind on Sat Jun 23 11:21:17
  6. [11:29] <+PenblooeR> Call me when you start then
  7. [11:29] <+AgentJohnson> As extreme as it may sound.
  8. [11:29] <+AgentJohnson> Aka devoice.
  9. 03[11:29] * Tux sets mode: -vvvv A7XRev AeroNachos AgentJohnson Bro16
  10. 03[11:29] * Tux sets mode: -vvvv Ced1214 HF mariocrossing1 NickelbackFan37
  11. [11:29] <+Error504> leave CPW admins voiced.
  12. [11:29] <+PenblooeR> It was scheduled for 2 pm et.
  13. 03[11:29] * Tux sets mode: -vvv PenblooeR ProjectXMark1 Welcome00
  14. [11:29] <@Tigernose> LM and Sharkbate, forget about the staff thing
  15. [11:29] <ProjectXMark1> Danrit.
  16. 03[11:29] * PenblooeR (~chatzilla@clubpenguinwiki/user/PenblooeR) has left #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  17. [11:29] <@Tigernose> I think Seahorse put an invite lit on
  18. [11:30] <+Error504> okay.
  19. [11:30] <HF> well this is a blast
  20. [11:30] <@Tigernose> Alright
  21. [11:30] <A7XRev> CAN WE JUST START?
  22. [11:30] <NickelbackFan37> ^
  23. [11:30] <@Tigernose> Changing site-notices and we're starting in 2 minutes
  24. [11:30] <ProjectXMark1> Well, someone ping me when we're going to start...
  25. [11:30] <+Error504> send out global notice.
  26. [11:30] <HF> Tigernose i'll change fanon's
  27. [11:30] <A7XRev> BRB
  28. [11:30] <HF> what should it say?
  29. [11:30] <ProjectXMark1> Now.
  30. [11:30] <@Tigernose> Thanks HF
  31. 05[11:30] -CPWNBot:#clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil- 4CPWN GLOBAL NOTICE (From Tux): 14The council meeting has started. #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  32. [11:30] <@Tigernose> To the CPW one
  33. [11:30] <@Tigernose> I'm about to change the CPW one
  34. [11:31] <+iSharkbate> Can't go to staff page
  35. [11:31] <@Tigernose> Alright done
  36. [11:31] <@Tigernose> Thanks HF
  37. [11:31] <@Tigernose> iSharkbate, forget it
  38. [11:31] <@Tigernose> Seahorse put an invite list on
  39. [11:31] <+iSharkbate> Ok
  40. [11:31] <@Tigernose> Alright is everyone here?
  41. [11:31] <@Tigernose> Penblooer left -_-
  42. 03[11:31] * PenblooeR (~chatzilla@clubpenguinwiki/user/PenblooeR) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  43. 03[11:31] * ChanServ sets mode: +v PenblooeR
  44. [11:31] <ProjectXMark1> I am.
  45. [11:31] <A7XRev> Im still here
  46. [11:31] <+Error504> Ok now lets start
  47. [11:31] <@Tigernose> Alright
  48. [11:31] <AgentJohnson> Yeah.
  49. [11:31] <ProjectXMark1> Ok!
  50. [11:31] <@Tigernose> Everyone get the agenda up
  51. [11:31] <NickelbackFan37> ok
  52. [11:31] <AeroNachos> Who will be chairing the meeting?
  53. [11:31] <A7XRev> but PENBLOOE
  54. [11:32] <+Error504> Tigernose.
  55. [11:32] <ProjectXMark1> Yes, Chair!
  56. [11:32] <AgentJohnson> Iamred is absent.
  57. [11:32] <@Tigernose> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/User:Tux/Global_bot_policy
  58. [11:32] <@Tigernose> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/User:Tux/Global_rights_policy
  59. [11:32] <+Error504> We need some sort of succession list for channel directors :P
  60. [11:32] <NickelbackFan37> lol
  61. [11:32] <AgentJohnson> I have a question for Tux.
  62. [11:32] <ProjectXMark1> He siad he couldn't be bothered.
  63. [11:32] <ProjectXMark1> t
  64. [11:32] <AgentJohnson> If he's here.
  65. [11:32] <@Tux> go ahead
  66. [11:32] <AgentJohnson> On this.
  67. [11:32] <@Tigernose> I think Tux's policies are good
  68. [11:32] <AgentJohnson> You say three wikis. Including language projects.
  69. [11:32] <ProjectXMark1> Aye.
  70. [11:32] <A7XRev> Aye
  71. [11:32] <mariocrossing1> ugh
  72. [11:32] <@Tigernose> Ah yes that
  73. [11:32] <AgentJohnson> Not everyone can speak two languages fluently.
  74. [11:32] <@Tigernose> It should be two wikis
  75. [11:32] <+Error504> We don't need to say aye.
  76. [11:32] <@Tigernose> Exactly
  77. [11:32] <HF> aye
  78. [11:33] <AgentJohnson> And UNCPW is soon to be deleted (sadly).
  79. [11:33] <@Tigernose> I'm for it if Tux changes it to 2
  80. [11:33] <Welcome00> i think by 3 wikis, he ment: CPW, fanon and shops
  81. [11:33] <+PenblooeR> How about Shops?
  82. [11:33] <Welcome00> yea
  83. [11:33] <+Error504> yea Shops count.
  84. [11:33] <+Error504> [11:12:01 AM] Error504 I like the idea, but I don't think we'll have a lot of global bots around. Maybe 1 or 2 to the most for now.
  85. [11:33] <AgentJohnson> Shops? Seriously? Fair enough.
  86. [11:33] <@Tigernose> CPW and Fanon should be fine for the minimum though
  87. [11:33] <NickelbackFan37> yea
  88. [11:33] <@Tux> AgentJohnson, no. I include other-language projects. The bot doesn't HAVE to edit those, though.
  89. [11:33] <ProjectXMark1> Everyone read it?
  90. [11:33] <AgentJohnson> Oh.
  91. [11:33] <@Tigernose> I personally think it should stay at 2
  92. [11:33] <A7XRev> yes
  93. [11:33] <@Tux> I'm fine with 2.
  94. [11:34] <Bro16> Hey, Shops is the creative soul of the network :|
  95. [11:34] <HF> okay, lets get it started?
  96. [11:34] <ProjectXMark1> Keep shops, this is not the time and place to discuss this..
  97. [11:34] <@Tigernose> HF, it is?
  98. [11:34] <mariocrossing1> cpw: the info
  99. [11:34] <+PenblooeR> Fanon?
  100. [11:34] <@Tigernose> ProjectXMark1, yes it is
  101. [11:34] <mariocrossing1> cpfw: the fictional
  102. 03[11:34] * Nando144 (c952c7ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.82.199.174) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  103. 03[11:34] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Nando144
  104. [11:34] <+iSharkbate> Gtg
  105. [11:34] <HF> What?
  106. [11:34] <@Tigernose> It's the council meeting
  107. [11:34] <+PenblooeR> Oi Nando
  108. [11:34] <NickelbackFan37> Uh, what are we talking about?
  109. [11:34] <+Nando144> hi
  110. [11:34] <AeroNachos> Will we be implementing RRO, or will it be informal?
  111. [11:34] <mariocrossing1> cpsw: the cerative
  112. [11:34] <@Tigernose> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/User:Tux/Global_rights_policy
  113. [11:34] <AgentJohnson> Global Rights.
  114. [11:34] <+PenblooeR> Nando belezura de baiana
  115. [11:34] <+PenblooeR> :P
  116. [11:34] <@Tigernose> Look at the TOPIC
  117. [11:34] <+Nando144> oi Penbra
  118. [11:34] <HF> Oh
  119. [11:34] <Welcome00> *creative
  120. [11:34] <+Nando144> *Penbroa
  121. [11:34] <HF> derpity
  122. [11:34] <+Nando144> :p
  123. [11:34] <ProjectXMark1> The Global rights and global bot policies.
  124. [11:35] <AgentJohnson> I move to start the voting.
  125. [11:35] <@Tigernose> Alright Tux, do you think 2 or 3?
  126. [11:35] <Bro16> !vote abstain
  127. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3 Bro16 has voted abstain 
  128. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  129. [11:35] <AgentJohnson> For global bot.
  130. [11:35] <@Tux> Either is fine with me.
  131. [11:35] <HF> Bro16, not yet
  132. [11:35] <+Error504> !clearvotes
  133. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  134. [11:35] <AgentJohnson> I say 2.
  135. [11:35] <+iSharkbate> !vote for
  136. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3 iSharkbate has voted for 
  137. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  138. [11:35] <@Tigernose> I'll say when we start voting, so we don't clog
  139. [11:35] <NickelbackFan37> derp...
  140. [11:35] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  141. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  142. [11:35] <Bro16> !vote for
  143. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3 Bro16 has voted for 
  144. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  145. [11:35] <HF> 2
  146. [11:35] <+iSharkbate> Ohm
  147. [11:35] <@Tigernose> omg
  148. [11:35] <AeroNachos> !vote for
  149. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3 AeroNachos has voted for 
  150. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  151. [11:35] <+Error504> STOP
  152. [11:35] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  153. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  154. [11:35] <AgentJohnson> !vote for
  155. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted for 
  156. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  157. [11:35] <mariocrossing1> whats the topic?
  158. [11:35] <Welcome00> OMG
  159. [11:35] <+PenblooeR> Stop voting -_-
  160. [11:35] <@Tigernose> WTF
  161. [11:35] <@Tux> !clervotes
  162. [11:35] <ProjectXMark1> !vote for
  163. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted for 
  164. 01[11:35] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  165. Session Close: Sat Jun 23 11:35:43 2012
  166.  
  167. Session Start: Sat Jun 23 11:36:14 2012
  168. Session Ident: #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  169. 03[11:36] * Now talking in #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  170. 03[11:36] * Topic is 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (1) Implement User:Tux/Global bot policy and User:Tux/Global rights policy'
  171. 03[11:36] * Set by Tux!~tux@tropicalwikis/Frozen-Wind on Sat Jun 23 11:21:17
  172. [11:36] <@Tigernose> !for
  173. [11:36] <AgentJohnson> !vote for
  174. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted for 
  175. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  176. [11:36] <HF> !vote for
  177. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 HF has voted for 
  178. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  179. [11:36] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  180. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  181. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  182. [11:36] <ProjectXMark1> !vote for
  183. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted for 
  184. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  185. [11:36] <AeroNachos> !vote for
  186. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 AeroNachos has voted for 
  187. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  188. [11:36] <NickelbackFan37> !vote for
  189. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted for 
  190. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 8 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  191. [11:36] <@Tux> !vote for
  192. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  193. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 9 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  194. [11:36] <+Nando144> !vote for
  195. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Nando144 has voted for 
  196. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 10 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  197. [11:36] <Bro16> !vote for
  198. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Bro16 has voted for 
  199. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 11 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  200. [11:36] <mariocrossing1> !vote abstain
  201. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 mariocrossing1 has voted abstain 
  202. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 11 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  203. [11:36] <A7XRev> !vote abstain
  204. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 A7XRev has voted abstain 
  205. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 11 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  206. [11:36] <+Error504> did anyone vote already?
  207. [11:36] <Welcome00> !vote abstain
  208. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Welcome00 has voted abstain 
  209. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 11 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  210. [11:36] <@Tigernose> Why abstain?
  211. [11:36] <+Error504> !vote abstain
  212. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted abstain 
  213. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 11 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  214. [11:36] <@Tigernose> It's clear
  215. [11:36] <ProjectXMark1> Voting for the global bots and rights policies.
  216. [11:36] <@Tux> yep
  217. [11:36] <+PenblooeR> It doesn't need to be CPW and CPFW, it could be CPFW and CPSW, or CPSW and CPW
  218. [11:36] <Welcome00> still dont understand how it works :P
  219. [11:36] <+Error504> hang on. Lemme check votes.
  220. [11:36] <+PenblooeR> !vote abstain
  221. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted abstain 
  222. 01[11:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 11 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  223. [11:36] <@Tigernose> Yeah I just mean 2 should be enough
  224. [11:36] <@Tigernose> Why abstain, guys?
  225. [11:36] <+Error504> it started at vote #3
  226. [11:37] <HF> AHAHAHA
  227. [11:37] <ProjectXMark1> I vote for the topic..
  228. [11:37] <AeroNachos> 5th Amendment.
  229. [11:37] <+Error504> !rmvote for
  230. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 4 Error504 has removed their vote of for 
  231. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 10 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  232. [11:37] <+iSharkbate> !vote for
  233. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 3 iSharkbate has voted for 
  234. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 11 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  235. [11:37] <+Error504> !rmvote for
  236. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 4 Error504 has removed their vote of for 
  237. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 10 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  238. [11:37] <+Error504> removed the 2 extra votes.
  239. [11:37] <@HatPop> !vote for
  240. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 3 HatPop has voted for 
  241. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 11 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  242. [11:37] <@Tigernose> ok thanks
  243. [11:37] <+PenblooeR> For me it's fine if it is implemented, fine if it's not
  244. [11:37] <@Tigernose> So vote for?
  245. [11:37] <+Error504> 11-0-5 done.
  246. [11:37] <AgentJohnson> I think that's a majority.
  247. [11:37] <@Tux> Okay.
  248. [11:37] <HF> donskis
  249. [11:37] <@Tigernose> Abstain should only be used if you really think we haven't got anywhere with the vote
  250. [11:37] <@Tigernose> Alright
  251. [11:37] <AeroNachos> Obviously. -_-
  252. [11:37] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  253. 01[11:37] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  254. [11:37] <+Error504> per my comment I'm abastin.
  255. [11:38] <NickelbackFan37> ok
  256. 03[11:38] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (2) Global policy'
  257. [11:38] <+PenblooeR> That's a good one
  258. [11:38] <@Tigernose> Here's the big one
  259. [11:38] <@Tux> These policies are to come in effect after the meeting.
  260. [11:38] <ProjectXMark1> Yeah, so we're implementing the global rights/bots policies?
  261. [11:38] <Bro16> !vote for
  262. 01[11:38] <ErrorBot> 3 Bro16 has voted for 
  263. 01[11:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  264. [11:38] <AgentJohnson> Refresh me again on global rights.
  265. [11:38] <+PenblooeR> Bo, not yet
  266. [11:38] <@Tigernose> AJ, can you link to your IMportant blog?
  267. [11:38] <AgentJohnson> Never mind.
  268. [11:38] <+PenblooeR> Bro*
  269. [11:38] <mariocrossing1> !clrvotes
  270. [11:38] <AgentJohnson> Very well.
  271. [11:38] <Welcome00> Bro...
  272. [11:38] <NickelbackFan37> !rmvvotes
  273. [11:38] <HF> Bro16, don't vote until the dicussion is over.
  274. [11:38] <+PenblooeR> fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/User_blog:Agent_Johnson/Important
  275. [11:38] <+PenblooeR> http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/User_blog:Agent_Johnson/Important
  276. [11:38] <@Tigernose> Thank you
  277. [11:38] <AgentJohnson> Just as a request, can Staffers and Fanoners only vote?
  278. [11:38] <AgentJohnson> I don't want a West Lothian
  279. [11:38] <@Tigernose> AJ's vote passed through
  280. [11:39] <@Tigernose> Now it's a decision for what policies to keep
  281. [11:39] <HF> The Fanon has already adopted the policies
  282. [11:39] <AgentJohnson> The sig policy
  283. [11:39] <@Tux> This also effects shops...
  284. [11:39] <@Tux> *affects
  285. [11:39] <@Tigernose> Tux, we'll focus on fanon first
  286. [11:39] <+PenblooeR> I don't think the signature policy is needed
  287. [11:39] <@Tigernose> I personally do
  288. [11:39] <@Tigernose> For a few reasons
  289. [11:39] <@Tux> k
  290. [11:39] <NickelbackFan37> me neither.
  291. [11:39] <AgentJohnson> Go on, no one talk.
  292. 03[11:39] * Mario-Rk (48bd7828@tropicalwikis/notsoepf/Mario-Rk) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  293. [11:39] <@Tigernose> On that "important" page, a user called sanchonachos
  294. [11:39] <ProjectXMark1> We need the sig policy.
  295. [11:39] <@Tux> I think it is needed
  296. [11:39] <@Tigernose> Had a user link that didn't even link to his page
  297. [11:39] <NickelbackFan37> actually we do.
  298. [11:39] <AeroNachos> That's me.
  299. [11:39] <AgentJohnson> On a limited scale, yes.
  300. [11:39] <@Tigernose> So I couldn't know who it was
  301. [11:40] <AgentJohnson> We do.
  302. [11:40] <HF> AeroNachos is here
  303. [11:40] <+PenblooeR> Then make a little change
  304. [11:40] <AgentJohnson> But not the image one.
  305. [11:40] <@Tigernose> Without looking at History
  306. [11:40] <@Tigernose> Also, huge images break lines
  307. [11:40] <+PenblooeR> Signatures must lik to the user's userpage
  308. [11:40] <AgentJohnson> Add a disclaimer for those who also edit CPW.
  309. [11:40] <@Tigernose> Swiss Ninja's sig for example
  310. [11:40] <ProjectXMark1> If we remove it there could be widespread sig-based vandalism.
  311. [11:40] <+PenblooeR> And <br> shouldn't be used
  312. [11:40] <@Tigernose> It breaks every layout each tim
  313. [11:40] <@Tigernose> *time
  314. 02[11:40] * HF (63489a87@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.72.154.135) Quit (Quit: Sorry, guys, gtg. Please send me a copy of the council.)
  315. [11:40] <+PenblooeR> But images don't need to be 20px
  316. [11:40] <@Tigernose> The signature should not go more than one line
  317. [11:40] <@Tigernose> Because that breaks lines too
  318. [11:40] <@Tigernose> 20px is the max for not breaking lines, unfortunately
  319. [11:40] <AgentJohnson> We just need a disclaimer.
  320. [11:40] <+PenblooeR> There should be a limit, but I think 20x is too little for the fanon
  321. [11:40] <+PenblooeR> px*
  322. [11:40] <AgentJohnson> For people who also edit CPW.
  323. [11:41] <@Tigernose> What would be the difference?
  324. [11:41] <AgentJohnson> That the policies are different.
  325. [11:41] <@Tigernose> No I mean
  326. [11:41] <@Tigernose> That 20x is too much for fanon
  327. [11:41] <AeroNachos> Are we limiting the use of GIF files in sigs?
  328. [11:41] <+PenblooeR> Just so that users don't use a full pike of Rockhopper, for example, on their signature
  329. [11:41] <@Tigernose> I don't think so
  330. [11:41] <@Tigernose> Well regarding the signature
  331. [11:41] <@Tux> yes
  332. [11:41] <@Tigernose> I personally think it should be the same as CPW
  333. [11:41] <ProjectXMark1> Yeah, I think the sig policy is fine as-is.
  334. [11:41] <AgentJohnson> Very well. I won't argue.
  335. [11:41] <@Tigernose> One sec
  336. [11:41] <mariocrossing1> ...
  337. [11:42] <+Error504> Shouldn't the global policy be some sort of "Terms and conditions" thing?
  338. [11:42] <@Tigernose> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Policy/Signature
  339. [11:42] <ProjectXMark1> Yes.
  340. [11:42] <NickelbackFan37> I think
  341. [11:42] <+PenblooeR> Laso the Unrelated policy shouldn't be applied on the Fanon
  342. [11:42] <+PenblooeR> Also*
  343. [11:42] <@Tux> No, this is to put CPW-like policy on Fanon
  344. [11:42] <+Error504> and not a merger of local policies.
  345. [11:42] <A7XRev> I think its fine the way it is.
  346. [11:42] <@Tigernose> You can only have 2 images.
  347. [11:42] <+Error504> oh
  348. [11:42] <@Tigernose> Neither image can be over 20px
  349. [11:42] <@Tigernose> The <br> wikitext code should NOT be used in signatures.
  350. [11:42] <@Tigernose> Your signature must be a custom signature, as specified in your preferences. It cannot simply be a template that you leave after every comment, as they do not produce timestamps.
  351. [11:42] <@Tigernose> It may not contain any thick borders.
  352. [11:42] <@Tigernose> Your name must be clearly written as the first thing. An alias or a vague name at the start of a signature is often confusing and misleading.
  353. [11:42] <NickelbackFan37> ah
  354. [11:42] <@Tigernose> the fourth reason, does it need explaining?
  355. [11:42] <AgentJohnson> So I can't use 'John' anymore.
  356. [11:42] <mariocrossing1> ~~~~~ makes timestamps
  357. [11:43] <@Tigernose> Well if we keep the policy as in, no
  358. [11:43] <+PenblooeR> I also think the fifth reason is unneeded
  359. [11:43] <AgentJohnson> Generally we recognised alias. All you need to do is hover over links.
  360. [11:43] <NickelbackFan37> agree
  361. [11:43] <@Tigernose> People sometimes use thick borders for their boxes
  362. [11:43] <mariocrossing1> duh
  363. [11:43] <@Tigernose> AJ, well in some cases it doesn't work
  364. [11:43] <@Tigernose> As with AeroNachos'
  365. [11:43] <+PenblooeR> 6th reason*
  366. [11:43] <@Tigernose> for example
  367. [11:43] <ProjectXMark1> I think the alias rule is well... Not fun enough.
  368. [11:43] <@Tigernose> I guess
  369. [11:44] <+Error504> Let them keep the alias.
  370. [11:44] <AeroNachos> I used that name prior to September 2010..
  371. [11:44] <@Tigernose> But if people do get it wrong
  372. [11:44] <+PenblooeR> "Your name must be clearly written as the first thing" -> Shouldn't apply for the Fanon. A link to the user's userpage is fine.
  373. [11:44] <@Tigernose> You have to go the history
  374. [11:44] <Bro16> This is getting nowhere, I'm leaving
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  376. [11:44] <@Tigernose> Bro16 lol
  377. [11:44] <+Error504> Maybe change the sig/image sizes.
  378. [11:44] <+Error504> lol
  379. [11:44] <NickelbackFan37> lol
  380. [11:44] <AgentJohnson> People still call me Leader, despite me preferring Agent, John or Agent Johnson.
  381. [11:44] <ProjectXMark1> That is the only thing I reject about this policy, the no-aliases rule.
  382. [11:44] <AgentJohnson> Aliases aren't a big deal.
  383. [11:44] <@Tigernose> Alright
  384. [11:44] <@Tigernose> Aliases, fine
  385. [11:44] <@Tux> k
  386. [11:44] <NickelbackFan37> kk
  387. [11:44] <@Tigernose> Just get the link right :P
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  389. [11:44] <mariocrossing1> :D
  390. [11:44] <+Error504> ok
  391. [11:44] <@Tigernose> What about size
  392. [11:45] <NickelbackFan37> So now I could just use Mocha in my sigs. xD
  393. [11:45] <+PenblooeR> So what parts of the signature policy are going to be applied on the CPFW
  394. [11:45] <@Tux> 30px
  395. [11:45] <@Tigernose> No
  396. [11:45] <AgentJohnson> As a compromise, I'm fine with size.
  397. [11:45] <@Tigernose> Because it breaks the line
  398. [11:45] <+Error504> I'm fine with the 20px.
  399. [11:45] <@Tigernose> Its a matter of line breaking, not size
  400. [11:45] <@Tux> yes
  401. [11:45] <NickelbackFan37> 20px is fine.
  402. [11:45] <@Tigernose> I don't like it either, it's small, but it doesn't screw up the whole page
  403. [11:45] <@Tigernose> Especially lists
  404. [11:45] <AgentJohnson> I'm ready to accept any size proposal.
  405. [11:45] <+PenblooeR> Swiss Ninja won't like this
  406. [11:45] <@Tigernose> So annoying
  407. [11:45] <+PenblooeR> xD
  408. [11:45] <@Tigernose> Should we do a mini-vote on the size thing?
  409. [11:45] <AeroNachos> It's his problem for not being present.
  410. [11:45] <ProjectXMark1> All of the rules, excluding the last one, aliases sohlud be allowed for fanon purposes.
  411. [11:45] <+Error504> fanon user vote?
  412. [11:46] <AgentJohnson> Yes.
  413. [11:46] <@Tigernose> No I mean right now
  414. [11:46] <AgentJohnson> No West Lothian.
  415. [11:46] <+Error504> oh ok
  416. [11:46] <NickelbackFan37> ah
  417. [11:46] <+PenblooeR> Tigernose, "Your name must be clearly written as the first thing" -> Just a link to the userpage is fine.
  418. [11:46] <@Tigernose> PenblooeR, yeah we decided its fine
  419. [11:46] <@Tigernose> Just get the link right :P
  420. [11:46] <NickelbackFan37> :P
  421. [11:46] <AgentJohnson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Lothian_question
  422. [11:46] <+PenblooeR> How about <big> ?
  423. [11:46] <@Tux> no
  424. [11:46] <AgentJohnson> Only Fanoners/Staff vote.
  425. [11:46] <@Tigernose> Is this relevant AJ?
  426. [11:46] <AgentJohnson> For Fanon issues.
  427. [11:46] <AgentJohnson> Yes.
  428. [11:47] <@Tigernose> Oh right
  429. [11:47] <@Tigernose> I think all should be able to vote
  430. [11:47] <+PenblooeR> <big> can't be used either, right?
  431. [11:47] <+Error504> I don't get why we need <big> in signatures
  432. [11:47] <@Tigernose> But if you don't think it's necessary
  433. [11:47] <@Tigernose> Then don't vote (if it doesn't apply to you)
  434. [11:47] <@Tigernose> We'll add a no <big> rule for clarity
  435. [11:47] <+PenblooeR> I used to have <big> in my signature, then I realized it looked bad in some browsers
  436. [11:47] <NickelbackFan37> I think I once used <big> in my sis
  437. [11:47] <NickelbackFan37> sisg*
  438. [11:47] <NickelbackFan37> sig*
  439. [11:47] <NickelbackFan37> AAAHHH
  440. [11:47] <AeroNachos> TS wouldn't be happy. He uses <big<> in his
  441. [11:47] <ProjectXMark1> very well, no big!
  442. [11:47] <AgentJohnson> Too bad for TS.
  443. [11:47] <+PenblooeR> SN won't be happy either
  444. [11:47] <@Tigernose> Basically don't change the font size
  445. [11:48] <+PenblooeR> :P
  446. [11:48] <ProjectXMark1> To fudgerygars with TS.
  447. [11:48] <@Tigernose> Also, should we prevent long message in place of "talk" or not?
  448. [11:48] <+PenblooeR> Tigernose, some users use <sup><small>
  449. [11:48] <+Error504> He's gonna rage when he finds out all this.
  450. [11:48] <NickelbackFan37> I do.
  451. [11:48] <ProjectXMark1> No.
  452. [11:48] <AeroNachos> Colours will be able to be kept, correct?
  453. [11:48] <+Error504> yes
  454. [11:48] <NickelbackFan37> raaaaage
  455. [11:48] <A7XRev> Its fine the way it is.
  456. [11:48] <+PenblooeR> That's not a problem imo. I think we should just not allowm <big>
  457. [11:48] <@Tigernose> PenblooeR, in that case no big then :P
  458. [11:48] <+PenblooeR> <small> is fine, it doesn't break anything
  459. [11:48] <ProjectXMark1> Long messages = basicly aliases.
  460. [11:48] <mariocrossing1> yup
  461. [11:48] <@Tigernose> Alright 20px is agreed yes?
  462. [11:48] <+Error504> yes
  463. [11:48] <+PenblooeR> Okay
  464. [11:48] <A7XRev> yes
  465. [11:48] <@Tigernose> Now for the talk thing
  466. [11:48] <@Tux> yes
  467. [11:48] <AgentJohnson> Aye
  468. [11:48] <@Tigernose> This seems like a divide
  469. [11:48] <NickelbackFan37> okay.
  470. [11:48] <ProjectXMark1> Yeah, 20px!
  471. [11:49] <@Tigernose> I'll do a mini-vote now
  472. [11:49] <ProjectXMark1> FOr what?
  473. [11:49] <AeroNachos> Hold on..what about external links within sigs?
  474. [11:49] <@Tigernose> You can start voting - FOR = no long talk messages
  475. [11:49] <@Tigernose> NO = long talk message
  476. [11:49] <AeroNachos> TS has some of them.
  477. [11:49] <@Tigernose> Exactly why it's annoying :P
  478. [11:49] <+PenblooeR> Long talk message?
  479. [11:49] <A7XRev> I GTG
  480. [11:49] <iHF> No
  481. [11:49] <A7XRev> Bye
  482. [11:49] <ProjectXMark1> !vote against
  483. 01[11:49] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted against 
  484. 01[11:49] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  485. [11:49] <@Tigernose> I don't want to see a long line of text
  486. [11:49] <@Tigernose> Problem is
  487. [11:49] <+Error504> don't use the vote
  488. [11:49] <Welcome00> back
  489. [11:49] <AgentJohnson> !vote abstain
  490. 01[11:49] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted abstain 
  491. 01[11:49] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  492. [11:49] <NickelbackFan37> My "talk messages" are not linked.
  493. [11:49] <+Error504> just say for or no
  494. [11:49] <A7XRev> wait
  495. [11:49] <@Tigernose> Error504, whynot
  496. [11:49] <+Error504> !clearvotes
  497. 01[11:49] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  498. [11:49] <A7XRev> nvm
  499. [11:49] <AgentJohnson> Abstain. I see it as a compromise.
  500. [11:50] <+Error504> [11:49:16 AM] Tigernose You can start voting - FOR = no long talk messages
  501. [11:50] <+Error504> [11:49:21 AM] Tigernose NO = long talk message
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  503. [11:50] <@Tux> !vote for
  504. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  505. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  506. [11:50] <AeroNachos> !vote abstain
  507. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 AeroNachos has voted abstain 
  508. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  509. [11:50] <@Tigernose> I meant with the votes
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  511. [11:50] <+Error504> oh.
  512. [11:50] <AgentJohnson> !vote abstain
  513. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted abstain 
  514. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  515. [11:50] <ProjectXMark1> !vote against
  516. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted against 
  517. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  518. [11:50] <Ced1214> !vote against
  519. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 Ced1214 has voted against 
  520. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  521. [11:50] <mariocrossing1> !vote abstain
  522. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 mariocrossing1 has voted abstain 
  523. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  524. [11:50] <+Error504> !vote against.
  525. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted against. 
  526. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  527. [11:50] <@Tigernose> Here's the proble though
  528. [11:50] <+PenblooeR> !vote against
  529. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted against 
  530. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  531. [11:50] <iHF> Test
  532. [11:50] <@Tigernose> If you limit the whole sig to one line only
  533. [11:50] <@Tigernose> On lists
  534. [11:50] <@Tigernose> The sig still breaks lines
  535. [11:50] <@Tigernose> Like with TS
  536. [11:50] <NickelbackFan37> !vote against
  537. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted against 
  538. 01[11:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 4 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  539. [11:50] <@Tigernose> Who has paragraphs for "for"
  540. [11:50] <@Tigernose> *talk
  541. [11:50] <@Tigernose> not "for" :P
  542. [11:51] <@Tux> also
  543. [11:51] <@Tux> ban br
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  545. [11:51] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  546. 01[11:51] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  547. 01[11:51] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 4 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  548. [11:51] <@Tigernose> We have Tux
  549. [11:51] <@HatPop> !vote abstain
  550. 01[11:51] <ErrorBot> 3 HatPop has voted abstain 
  551. 01[11:51] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 4 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  552. [11:51] <@Tigernose> What do you mean by abstain?
  553. [11:51] <ProjectXMark1> What does abstain mean?
  554. [11:51] <AgentJohnson> I see it as a compromise.
  555. [11:51] <@Tigernose> Like what
  556. [11:51] <Welcome00> abstain = neutral
  557. [11:51] <AgentJohnson> Not as something I want.
  558. [11:51] <ProjectXMark1> I see.
  559. [11:51] <ProjectXMark1> Well, everyone voted?
  560. [11:51] <@Tigernose> no wait
  561. [11:52] <@Tigernose> What compromise?
  562. [11:52] <AgentJohnson> I don't like the signature policy.
  563. [11:52] <@Tigernose> This is about the talk message thing
  564. [11:52] <AgentJohnson> Oh. For god sake, let's just get on with this.
  565. [11:52] <@Tux> yes
  566. [11:52] <@Tigernose> I want to know
  567. [11:52] <@Tigernose> What your compromise is
  568. [11:52] <ProjectXMark1> Guys!
  569. [11:53] <ProjectXMark1> Settle this in an msg..
  570. [11:53] <+Error504> This is gonna be a long meeting.
  571. [11:53] <AgentJohnson> No, we have other discussions.
  572. [11:53] <ProjectXMark1> True, true,
  573. [11:53] <@Tigernose> People are using abstain for completely different reasons
  574. [11:53] <NickelbackFan37> Error, true.
  575. [11:53] <AgentJohnson> I don't have a compromise.
  576. [11:53] <@Tigernose> [19:51] <AgentJohnson> I see it as a compromise.
  577. [11:53] <AgentJohnson> Let's settle it with that?
  578. [11:53] <+Error504> We never discussed what "abstain" meant.
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  580. [11:53] <+Error504> To me I see it as "neutral" or "no say in this" kinda thing
  581. [11:53] <@Tigernose> If people are voting abstain for different reasons the vote is flawed
  582. [11:54] <AgentJohnson> !vote against
  583. 01[11:54] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted against 
  584. 01[11:54] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 5 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  585. [11:54] <ProjectXMark1> Yes,
  586. [11:54] <AgentJohnson> There.
  587. [11:54] <NickelbackFan37> same
  588. [11:54] <+PenblooeR> I see abstain as "I prefer not to vote because either I don't understand the topic or because I don't know the effects this will have"
  589. [11:54] <@Tigernose> Alright
  590. [11:54] <@Tigernose> Others then?
  591. [11:54] <Welcome00> same as pen
  592. [11:54] <@Tigernose> All abstaining or want to change?
  593. [11:54] <iHF> !vote against
  594. 01[11:54] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted against 
  595. 01[11:54] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 6 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  596. [11:54] <@Tigernose> Alright well I guess the verdict is
  597. [11:54] <@Tigernose> That we will keep long messages
  598. [11:54] <ProjectXMark1> Yay!
  599. [11:54] <Mario-Rk> ..
  600. [11:54] <NickelbackFan37> k.
  601. [11:54] <@Tigernose> Problem is it will still break lines on lists...
  602. [11:54] <AgentJohnson> Sorry that this was so complicated.
  603. [11:54] <@Tigernose> We'll see when the time comes
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  605. [11:54] <AeroNachos> Directly from Roberts Rules of Order: Answer: The phrase “abstention votes” is an oxymoron, an abstention being a refusal to vote. To abstain means to refrain from voting, and, as a consequence, there can be no such thing as an “abstention vote.”
  606. [11:54] <+PenblooeR> But it was never a problem for the fanon
  607. [11:54] <@Tigernose> Alright signature policy is covered
  608. [11:54] <AgentJohnson> It's a line. Is it a big deal?
  609. [11:55] <AgentJohnson> Actually let's not discuus it
  610. [11:55] <AgentJohnson> Next topic.
  611. [11:55] <@Tux> no RRO here
  612. [11:55] <Welcome00> hey marweeoh
  613. [11:55] <+Error504> Much Ado about Nothing?
  614. [11:55] <ProjectXMark1> Wait, what about aliases?
  615. [11:55] <+Error504> xD
  616. [11:55] <@Tigernose> Quitting policy
  617. [11:55] <NickelbackFan37> xD
  618. [11:55] <@Tigernose> Project, we decided it's allowed
  619. [11:55] <ProjectXMark1> Ok.
  620. [11:55] <ProjectXMark1> Fair enough.
  621. [11:55] <AgentJohnson> I think it's respectful that you should be able to announce a quit.
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  623. [11:55] <+PenblooeR> I think quit messages are annoying.
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  625. [11:55] <@Tigernose> Yeah I agree
  626. [11:55] <AgentJohnson> And commend your friends.
  627. [11:55] <@Tigernose> But leaving it on the user page seems fine
  628. [11:55] <ProjectXMark1> Yes.
  629. [11:55] <AgentJohnson> They should stay.
  630. [11:56] <+Error504> Keep it short.
  631. [11:56] <ProjectXMark1> But can I see the quitting policy?
  632. [11:56] <NickelbackFan37> Yea.
  633. [11:56] <@Tigernose> But what's the distinction here?
  634. [11:56] <iHF> Next
  635. [11:56] <@Tigernose> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Policy/Quitting
  636. [11:56] <iHF> Next subject?
  637. [11:56] <@Tigernose> No
  638. [11:56] <+PenblooeR> Why announce it on the sitenotice? A newcomer doesn't need to know TS left for his Special needs Camp.
  639. [11:56] <AgentJohnson> I'm fine with the user page quit announcement. But less restrictions.
  640. [11:56] <@Tigernose> Is the distinction a short blog or a short user page message?
  641. [11:56] <AeroNachos> Will users that quit be able to transfer ownership of their articles towards other users?
  642. [11:56] <AgentJohnson> As in long messages.
  643. [11:56] <@Tigernose> Yeah no sitenotice bs
  644. [11:56] <ProjectXMark1> Yes!
  645. [11:56] <AgentJohnson> Allowance for FRIENDLY comments.
  646. [11:56] <@Tux> yees
  647. [11:56] <@Tigernose> TS always uses the sitenotice for his stuff
  648. [11:56] <iHF> ill be droppibg in and out to refresh
  649. [11:56] <AgentJohnson> Ok.
  650. [11:56] <iHF> Cant scroll on iphones
  651. [11:56] <@Tigernose> No sitenotices
  652. [11:56] <AgentJohnson> Yes.
  653. [11:56] <@Tigernose> obviously
  654. [11:56] <AgentJohnson> Def.
  655. [11:56] <+Error504> Yea no sitenotices.
  656. [11:57] <NickelbackFan37> yea
  657. [11:57] <@Tigernose> But are short blog messages allowed?
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  659. [11:57] <+PenblooeR> Keep the sitenotice for important stuff.
  660. [11:57] <NickelbackFan37> just don't announce it via sitenotice.
  661. [11:57] <@Tigernose> Or long user page messages?
  662. [11:57] <AgentJohnson> I think long user page announcements are better.
  663. [11:57] <@Tigernose> Short blog or long user page?
  664. [11:57] <+Error504> People can comment on blogs
  665. [11:57] <iHF> No short blogs
  666. [11:57] <+Error504> It can cause drama
  667. [11:57] <@Tigernose> I agree
  668. [11:57] <+PenblooeR> No short blogs²
  669. [11:57] <@Tigernose> So the distinction is
  670. [11:57] <@Tigernose> Don't use a blog
  671. [11:57] <@Tigernose> Just your userpage
  672. [11:57] <NickelbackFan37> No blogging then.
  673. [11:57] <+PenblooeR> Yes
  674. [11:57] <@Tigernose> You can make it as long as you want
  675. [11:57] <AgentJohnson> Blogging is a different topic.
  676. [11:57] <ProjectXMark1> Wait, what are we talking about?
  677. [11:57] <+PenblooeR> Does CPFW have the Blog namespace?
  678. [11:57] <+Error504> Quitting policy.
  679. [11:57] <AgentJohnson> It's number 15 I think.
  680. [11:57] <iHF> I use blogs to address the community
  681. [11:57] <Welcome00> quitting policy..
  682. [11:57] <AgentJohnson> No.
  683. [11:57] <+Error504> Yea
  684. [11:57] <ProjectXMark1> I don't know...
  685. [11:57] <+Error504> does it?
  686. [11:57] <@Tigernose> Zone Kodes?
  687. [11:57] <AgentJohnson> People use user blog.
  688. [11:57] <+Error504> CPSW has one.
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  690. [11:58] <NickelbackFan37> huh/
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  692. [11:58] <AgentJohnson> But it's actually main space.
  693. [11:58] <@Tigernose> What about *Zone Kodes*
  694. [11:58] <+PenblooeR> Userblog: counts as mainspace. That's wrong
  695. [11:58] <AgentJohnson> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council#.2815.29_AWC_Forum_for_Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki_and.2For_User_Blog_namespace
  696. [11:58] <@Tigernose> http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Policies
  697. [11:58] <AgentJohnson> I know.
  698. [11:58] <+Error504> actually nvm it doesn't
  699. [11:58] <AgentJohnson> Issue 15 was meant to address that.
  700. [11:58] <+PenblooeR> I don't know what are Zone Kodes
  701. [11:58] <@Tigernose> Oh
  702. [11:58] <@Tigernose> Zone Kodes were changed
  703. [11:58] <@Tigernose> Wait
  704. [11:58] <@Tigernose> Where they?
  705. [11:58] <AgentJohnson> Zone Kodes was a nickname TS gave to Zone's proposals.
  706. [11:58] <NickelbackFan37> oh
  707. [11:59] <@Tigernose> What's the point
  708. [11:59] <@Tigernose> If we're using CPW's system?
  709. [11:59] <AgentJohnson> http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Policies
  710. [11:59] <+PenblooeR> I know Zone is an old user, and Kode is a misspelling of one of my characters.
  711. [11:59] <AgentJohnson> Much of it will be integrated into your policies.
  712. [11:59] <@Tigernose> What's the point of Zone Kodes
  713. [11:59] <@Tigernose> Oh
  714. [11:59] <AgentJohnson> Aka CPW.
  715. [11:59] <@Tigernose> Like what?
  716. [11:59] <ProjectXMark1> Keep the kodes! Keep the kodes!
  717. [11:59] <ProjectXMark1> I like them.
  718. [11:59] <NickelbackFan37> it's pointless? to me
  719. [11:59] <ProjectXMark1> Ensures democracy.
  720. [12:00] <@Tigernose> What specific "Zone Kodes"
  721. [12:00] <NickelbackFan37> ah nvm
  722. [12:00] <+PenblooeR> All those things are confusing
  723. [12:00] <+PenblooeR> AA, COC, Zone Kodes
  724. [12:00] <+Error504> !clearvotes
  725. 01[12:00] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  726. [12:00] <AgentJohnson> Such as 'CPFW is not', 'All users are equal', 'Consensus', 'Image and Media' (more coming
  727. [12:00] <+PenblooeR> Why can't we have one policy?
  728. [12:00] <AeroNachos> TS' policies were too undemocratic and unhealthy for the Fanon.
  729. [12:00] <@Tigernose> We should keep it at CPW policy
  730. [12:00] <@Tigernose> Zone Kodes are the same thing
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  732. [12:00] <@Tigernose> Written differently and in a confusing way
  733. [12:00] <@Tigernose> AFAIK
  734. [12:00] <ProjectXMark1> CPFW is not.. I don't like though.
  735. [12:00] <Welcome00> its too confusing
  736. [12:00] <+PenblooeR> Yeah
  737. [12:00] <NickelbackFan37> yea :s
  738. [12:00] <@Tigernose> I don't see why they should return
  739. [12:01] <AgentJohnson> Very well. I presume that I'm outvoted.
  740. [12:01] <@Tigernose> Consensus was something you mentioned
  741. [12:01] <+PenblooeR> Make one policy. We don't need multiple policies scattered around the site. AA, COC, Zone Kodes and etc
  742. [12:01] <@Tigernose> Yeah
  743. [12:01] <AgentJohnson> I think discussion should have a priority over voting.
  744. [12:01] <NickelbackFan37> yea
  745. [12:01] <@Tigernose> Consensus is here anyways though
  746. [12:01] <AgentJohnson> As the first option.
  747. [12:01] <AgentJohnson> Voting should be the end of discussion.
  748. [12:01] <ProjectXMark1> Yes, discussion over vote!
  749. [12:01] <@Tigernose> We don't need zone kodes to accentuate consensus
  750. [12:01] <+PenblooeR> In a nutshell: "Play nice and you'll have the freedom of speech"
  751. [12:02] <AgentJohnson> Ok.
  752. [12:02] <@Tigernose> Okay so
  753. [12:02] <ProjectXMark1> I agree with Pen.
  754. [12:02] <@Tigernose> We all agree that
  755. [12:02] <ProjectXMark1> Organisation people!
  756. [12:02] <@Tigernose> The global policy is being implement
  757. [12:02] <@Tigernose> We these changes
  758. [12:02] <@Tigernose> *with
  759. [12:02] <+PenblooeR> WAIT
  760. [12:02] <+PenblooeR> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Policy/UnRelated
  761. [12:02] <@Tigernose> Yeah
  762. [12:02] <+PenblooeR> Doesn't need to go on the Fanon.
  763. [12:02] <@Tigernose> I agree
  764. [12:03] <@Tigernose> It's already on the "important" blog so it's settled
  765. [12:03] <@Tigernose> So the changes are:
  766. [12:03] <@Tigernose> Signature policy returning
  767. [12:03] <@Tigernose> With no alias rule
  768. [12:03] <@Tigernose> No talk message rule
  769. [12:03] <ProjectXMark1> What!?
  770. [12:03] <@Tigernose> Zone Kodes are going
  771. [12:03] <@Tigernose> Do we agree?
  772. [12:03] <AgentJohnson> Yes.
  773. [12:03] <+PenblooeR> And the sitenotice thing
  774. [12:03] <@Tigernose> And sitenotice
  775. [12:03] <ProjectXMark1> I thought the talk message thing was going!
  776. [12:03] <@Tigernose> As well as <big>
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  778. [12:04] <AgentJohnson> Can we vote. And just CPFW/Staffers.
  779. [12:04] <+Error504> lol.
  780. [12:04] <AgentJohnson> vote?*
  781. [12:04] <@Tigernose> Project, people can write anything they want on talk messages
  782. [12:04] <ProjectXMark1> I see.
  783. [12:04] <ProjectXMark1> Ok.
  784. [12:04] <@Tigernose> I mean the talk link
  785. [12:04] <@Tigernose> :P
  786. [12:04] <ProjectXMark1> *cofused*
  787. [12:04] <@Tigernose> Do we really need to vote again?
  788. [12:04] <@Tigernose> So on a sig
  789. [12:04] <+PenblooeR> I think so
  790. [12:04] <ProjectXMark1> Oh, ok.
  791. [12:04] <AgentJohnson> No, overall.
  792. [12:04] <+PenblooeR> Just to formalize
  793. [12:04] <+Error504> Lets just vote on the proposed changes - the final list.
  794. [12:04] <@Tigernose> [[user:x|adj;askj]] [[user talk:x|asadk]]
  795. [12:04] <@Tigernose> You can write anything, essentially
  796. [12:04] <AgentJohnson> Fanoners/Staffers only please.
  797. [12:05] <ProjectXMark1> OK then!
  798. [12:05] <@Tigernose> Anyone should be able to vote
  799. [12:05] <@Tigernose> But if it doesn't apply to you
  800. [12:05] <@Tigernose> Don't bother
  801. [12:05] <+PenblooeR> Shall us vote?
  802. [12:05] <@Tigernose> Yes
  803. [12:05] <@Tigernose> Go on
  804. [12:05] <ProjectXMark1> Ok!
  805. [12:05] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  806. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  807. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  808. [12:05] <AgentJohnson> !vote for
  809. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted for 
  810. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  811. [12:05] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  812. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  813. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  814. [12:05] <+Error504> !vote for
  815. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  816. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  817. [12:05] <ProjectXMark1> Final list!
  818. [12:05] <iHF> !vote for
  819. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  820. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  821. [12:05] <ProjectXMark1> !vote for
  822. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted for 
  823. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
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  825. [12:05] <AeroNachos> !vote for
  826. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3 AeroNachos has voted for 
  827. 01[12:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
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  829. [12:05] <AgentJohnson> These are the main active users on this Council.
  830. [12:06] <+Error504> yep
  831. [12:06] <AgentJohnson> I say vote passed.
  832. [12:06] <@Tigernose> iHF, don't you have an IRC client for your phone?
  833. [12:06] <ProjectXMark1> Passified!
  834. [12:06] <iHF> No
  835. [12:06] <iHF> Ill get one
  836. [12:06] <@Tigernose> Well Colloquy is good
  837. [12:06] <iHF> Be back soon
  838. [12:06] <AgentJohnson> Ok.
  839. [12:06] <@Tigernose> But a couple of dollars. Saves on rejoining every 2 minutes
  840. [12:06] <ProjectXMark1> Ok, well.
  841. [12:06] <@Tigernose> Alright
  842. [12:06] <+PenblooeR> Colloquy for iPhone
  843. [12:06] <AeroNachos> Next order of business?
  844. 03[12:06] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (3) New server'
  845. [12:06] <+Error504> !clearvotes
  846. 01[12:06] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  847. [12:06] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  848. 01[12:06] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  849. [12:06] <ProjectXMark1> Ok!
  850. [12:06] <@Tigernose> Regarding this
  851. [12:06] <@Tux> K
  852. [12:06] <@Tigernose> Tux, we have one set in our sights
  853. [12:06] <ProjectXMark1> Yeah, lets just do a vote on this one.
  854. [12:07] <+PenblooeR> I didn't understand this topic either
  855. [12:07] <@Tigernose> PGRMR?
  856. [12:07] <AgentJohnson> As long as we can afford whatever choice, then yes.
  857. [12:07] <@Tux> http://prgmr.com
  858. [12:07] <@Tigernose> I think this should be discussed between staff.
  859. [12:07] <ProjectXMark1> Getting a new server or a new host.
  860. [12:07] <@Tux> http://linode.com
  861. [12:07] <@Tigernose> We already have one in our sights
  862. [12:07] <AgentJohnson> I've only had one internal server error this month.
  863. [12:07] <@Tigernose> So I think we don't need to vote
  864. [12:07] <ProjectXMark1> As have I only had one.
  865. [12:07] <@Tux> And it had "Apache/2.2.22 (Debian)"?
  866. [12:07] <@Tux> I fixed that
  867. [12:07] <ProjectXMark1> Yeah, new host?
  868. [12:08] <ProjectXMark1> Everyone agree with that?
  869. [12:08] <@Tigernose> Alright, Tux, do you think we need to vote or not?
  870. [12:08] <+Error504> Getting a better server is always the wish, we just need to be able to afford it.
  871. [12:08] <AgentJohnson> I say prgmr
  872. [12:08] <+Error504> This is pretty straight forward.
  873. [12:08] <@Tux> Yes.
  874. [12:08] <@Tigernose> Exactly
  875. [12:08] <AeroNachos> What about a Fanon representative for the staff?
  876. [12:08] <AgentJohnson> It seems the better choice, IMO.
  877. [12:08] <@Tigernose> The staff will look at the pricing
  878. [12:08] <@Tux> So please donate!
  879. [12:08] <AgentJohnson> That'll come later.
  880. [12:08] <@Tigernose> AeroNachos, later on
  881. [12:08] <@Tigernose> Let's move on
  882. [12:08] <@Tux> prgmr does paypal
  883. [12:08] <AeroNachos> I have to donate to the Obama campaign first. Hehe.
  884. 03[12:08] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (3) Read this article in another language [CPW]'
  885. [12:08] <ProjectXMark1> Ok, so are we getting a new host or not?
  886. [12:09] <@Tigernose> We are
  887. [12:09] <AgentJohnson> Then I shall donate to Romney.
  888. [12:09] <AgentJohnson> In all seriousness...
  889. [12:09] <@Tigernose> Now we wanted to redo this
  890. [12:09] <@Tigernose> From last meeting
  891. [12:09] <+Error504> We're not redoing it.
  892. [12:09] <@Tigernose> Because Sea wasn't there
  893. [12:09] <@Tigernose> He's not here either
  894. [12:09] <AgentJohnson> I'm abstaining.
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  896. [12:09] <@Tigernose> Error, aren't we?
  897. [12:09] <AgentJohnson> This isn't my concern.
  898. [12:09] <AgentJohnson> Hello Swiss.
  899. [12:09] <+Error504> No, Kinda like Fanon - have a link to "another language" article, except we're all
  900. [12:09] <AgentJohnson> I'll PM you on what's happened.
  901. [12:09] <+Error504> on different language wikis
  902. [12:09] <ProjectXMark1> I don't quite understand this one.
  903. [12:09] <AeroNachos> Hello.
  904. [12:09] <+Error504> it's a CPW issue.
  905. [12:10] <@Tigernose> Ah right
  906. [12:10] <+PenblooeR> I think we should keep the Name sin other languages section
  907. [12:10] <@Tigernose> Misread the topic
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  909. [12:10] <+Error504> We already voted down the Names in other lang.
  910. [12:10] <@Tux> Me too
  911. [12:10] <@Tigernose> No
  912. [12:10] <@Tigernose> We wanted to redo that didn't we?
  913. [12:10] <@Tux> yes
  914. [12:10] <@Tigernose> With Sea there
  915. [12:10] <iHF_> Okay
  916. [12:10] <+PenblooeR> It expands the size of the pages, and just like the Trivia sections, it's interesting for the readers
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  919. [12:10] <AeroNachos> Google and other browsers do have options to automatically translate pages..however it might not come out right.
  920. [12:10] <@Tigernose> I personally think it's interesting
  921. [12:10] <@Tigernose> No harm in it being there
  922. [12:10] <ProjectXMark1> So, who is voting on this?
  923. [12:10] <@Tigernose> Niol
  924. [12:10] <@Tigernose> CPW users
  925. [12:10] <+Error504> Might be the next best thing for some users after the removal of Names in other languages is confirmed. Per Sea, NioL should only be on articles that have the article on the same topic on another language, but that would refer to the interwiki linking method. He also states that the links are ignored on the sidebar using the interwiki linking method. A discussion will open up for new ideas...
  926. [12:10] <+Error504> ...regarding this. --AdministratorNetwork staffError504 05:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
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  928. [12:11] <iHF> Back
  929. [12:11] <Welcome00> i really had to go now
  930. [12:11] <@Tigernose> If you're CPFW, don't vote or use "abstain" - it wastes time
  931. [12:11] <+PenblooeR> And we can't link all articles to its article on another language project
  932. [12:11] <ProjectXMark1> Ok,
  933. [12:11] <@Tux> k
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  935. [12:11] <ProjectXMark1> So, we voting now?
  936. [12:11] <+PenblooeR> The French CPW was moved to TW, and the Spanish one is dead
  937. [12:11] <@Tigernose> I still think NioL shoudl remain
  938. [12:11] <@Tigernose> ProjectX, no, I will say
  939. [12:11] <AgentJohnson> Can I abstain to indicate that it isn't my concern?
  940. [12:11] <+Error504> If you guys want it to stay I'm fine with that.
  941. [12:11] <AgentJohnson> Or should I just not vote?
  942. [12:11] <@Tigernose> It just floods the chat
  943. [12:11] <@Tux> I meant to close the ESCPW, I locked it but I didn't move it
  944. [12:12] <@Tigernose> Don't vote please
  945. [12:12] <AgentJohnson> Ok.
  946. [12:12] <@Tigernose> Error, what's your position currently?
  947. [12:12] <+Error504> Neutral.
  948. [12:12] <iHF> Can
  949. [12:12] <iHF> I see votes on the Irc cilent for iphone!
  950. [12:12] <iHF> ?*
  951. [12:13] <+PenblooeR> It's a lot of articles with the NiOL already. We can't change them all now
  952. [12:13] <@Tigernose> Yeah let's just keep it
  953. [12:13] <@Tigernose> It's interesting
  954. [12:13] <+Error504> Okay.
  955. [12:13] <+Error504> But also
  956. [12:13] <+Error504> sea mentioned about the interwiki thing
  957. [12:13] <+Error504> linking*
  958. [12:13] <+Error504> on the sidebar he says it's hardly noticed.
  959. 06[12:13] * ProjectXMark1 stays silent whilst non-fanon discussions happen.
  960. [12:13] <+Error504> so should we add something on the articles that makes it more noticeable?
  961. [12:14] <@Tigernose> Maybe a flag in the NioL template
  962. [12:14] <+PenblooeR> There are a lot of articles in CPWPT that aren't interwikilinked in CPW. Can a bot do that?
  963. [12:14] <@Tigernose> When you click on it, it takes you to the respective wiki
  964. [12:14] <+Error504> or a link.
  965. [12:14] <@Tigernose> Well a flag next to the link, to make t more noticable
  966. [12:14] <@Tigernose> There's a link to the wiki in Niol anyways, no?
  967. [12:15] <+Error504> no, we can add that.
  968. [12:15] <@Tigernose> ok
  969. [12:15] <@Tux> yes
  970. [12:15] <@Tigernose> Well I think we should start voting?
  971. [12:15] <+Error504> but we'll need an "if" or something to make sure non-existent pages don't get linked
  972. 03[12:15] * ProjectXMark1 is now known as ProjectX|Away
  973. [12:15] <@Tigernose> For accommodates a link too
  974. [12:15] <@Tigernose> Error, yeah
  975. [12:15] <+Error504> yea lets vote
  976. [12:15] <+PenblooeR> For example, http://pt.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Sacola_de_Dinheiro has an interwiki link to the article "Money Bag" in CPW, but the article Money Bag doesn't have an interwikilink to CPWPT. Can a bot add that link?
  977. [12:15] <@Tigernose> Alright start voting
  978. [12:15] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  979. 01[12:15] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  980. 01[12:15] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  981. [12:16] <+Error504> !vote for
  982. 01[12:16] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  983. 01[12:16] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  984. [12:16] <+PenblooeR> !vote against
  985. 01[12:16] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted against 
  986. 01[12:16] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  987. 03[12:16] * Djf1107 (424df0c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.77.240.198) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  988. [12:16] <@Tux> WAAAAAIT
  989. [12:16] <@Tigernose> Penblooer, possibly
  990. [12:16] <@Tigernose> What, Tux?
  991. [12:16] <@Tux> what is being voted on
  992. [12:16] <+PenblooeR> People, we're voting on REMOVING the NiOL section
  993. [12:16] <+PenblooeR> :P
  994. [12:16] <Djf1107> !vwhat's the bill
  995. [12:16] <@Tux> !vote against
  996. 01[12:16] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted against 
  997. 01[12:16] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  998. [12:16] <iHF> Lol
  999. [12:16] <+Error504> No. We're voting on adding links?
  1000. [12:16] <@Tux> Confusing.
  1001. 03[12:16] * Welcome00|iPad (71d261d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.113.210.97.210) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  1002. [12:16] <iHF> !vote against
  1003. 01[12:16] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted against 
  1004. 01[12:16] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1005. [12:16] <@Tigernose> For = keep niol and links
  1006. [12:17] <@Tigernose> against = remove niol
  1007. [12:17] <+PenblooeR> clear votes please?
  1008. [12:17] <+Error504> !clearvotes
  1009. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1010. [12:17] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  1011. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1012. [12:17] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  1013. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  1014. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1015. [12:17] <@Tux> !vote for
  1016. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  1017. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1018. [12:17] <+Error504> !vote for.
  1019. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for. 
  1020. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1021. [12:17] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  1022. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  1023. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1024. [12:17] <iHF> !vote for
  1025. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  1026. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1027. [12:17] <Welcome00|iPad> Back
  1028. [12:17] <Djf1107> !vote for
  1029. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted for 
  1030. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1031. [12:17] <Welcome00|iPad> On the i
  1032. [12:17] <Ced1214> !vote for
  1033. [12:17] <Welcome00|iPad> Pad
  1034. [12:17] <+Error504> Now we have a project to modify every one of those on articles.
  1035. [12:17] <@Tux> k
  1036. [12:17] <Ced1214> !vote for
  1037. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3 Ced1214 has voted for 
  1038. 01[12:17] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1039. 03[12:17] * ProjectX|Away is now known as ProjectXMark1
  1040. [12:17] <@Tigernose> Error, can't a bot link?
  1041. [12:17] <+Error504> it can maybe
  1042. [12:17] <@Tux> Yes
  1043. [12:17] <+Error504> I don't have a working bot.
  1044. [12:17] <@Tigernose> "portuguese" shouldn't appear more than once in an article, usually
  1045. [12:18] <Welcome00|iPad> What are we voting for?
  1046. [12:18] <+PenblooeR> I'm still learning how to run a bot
  1047. 03[12:18] * Sharkbate (~chatzilla@clubpenguinwiki/admin/Sharkbate) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  1048. 03[12:18] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Sharkbate
  1049. [12:18] <@Tigernose> so replace it with an #if link
  1050. 03[12:18] * Tigernose sets mode: +o Sharkbate
  1051. [12:18] <@Tigernose> I'll voice CPFW admins as well
  1052. [12:18] <@Sharkbate> What did I miss?
  1053. [12:18] <@Tigernose> easier to distinguish
  1054. [12:18] <@Tigernose> When d'you leave?
  1055. [12:18] <AgentJohnson> Thank you Tigernose.
  1056. [12:18] <+Error504> We're on the names in other languages thing
  1057. 03[12:18] * Tigernose sets mode: +v AgentJohnson
  1058. 03[12:19] * Tigernose sets mode: +v iHF
  1059. [12:19] <+Error504> the host thing was unnecessary for discussion.
  1060. [12:19] <+iHF> Gimme!
  1061. [12:19] <@Sharkbate> I left about 5-10 minutes ago
  1062. [12:19] <@Tigernose> Who else
  1063. 03[12:19] * Tux sets mode: +v Swissy
  1064. [12:19] <@Sharkbate> battery died
  1065. [12:19] <+AgentJohnson> Swissy
  1066. [12:19] <@Tigernose> Sharkbate, the last topic was skipped
  1067. [12:19] <@Sharkbate> Ok
  1068. [12:19] <@Tigernose> Ok
  1069. [12:19] <+iHF> I guess it wont be removed
  1070. [12:19] <+Error504> global policy:
  1071. [12:19] <+Error504> [12:03:13 PM] Tigernose So the changes are:
  1072. [12:19] <@Tigernose> It has been voted to keep niol and links
  1073. [12:19] <+Error504> [12:03:22 PM] Tigernose Signature policy returning
  1074. [12:19] <+Error504> [12:03:26 PM] Tigernose With no alias rule
  1075. [12:19] <+Error504> [12:03:30 PM] Tigernose No talk message rule
  1076. 03[12:19] * ProjectXMark1 is now known as ProjectX|away
  1077. [12:19] <+iHF> Issue numero 5?
  1078. 03[12:19] * amptx (~ampharos@fctnnbsc30w-156034231240.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nb.bellaliant.net) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  1079. [12:20] <@Tux> CPW issue
  1080. [12:20] <+PenblooeR> número
  1081. [12:20] <Djf1107> What do they stae
  1082. 03[12:20] * Tux changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (5) Forum guidelines/policy'
  1083. [12:20] <@Tigernose> Tux...
  1084. [12:20] <+Error504> Most forums have a forum guideline
  1085. [12:20] <+Error504> I think we might want to write a short one as well.
  1086. [12:20] <+Error504> after this: http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Special:AWCforum/st/id45/Sad_News.html
  1087. [12:20] <+Error504> notice it's in General Wiki Discussion as well.
  1088. [12:20] <+iHF> Agree
  1089. [12:20] <+PenblooeR> Agree
  1090. [12:20] <@Tigernose> Where is "general wiki discussioN"
  1091. [12:20] <+PenblooeR> It doesn't need to be complicated, though
  1092. [12:21] <+PenblooeR> Just say what goes where
  1093. [12:21] <@Tigernose> oh
  1094. [12:21] <@Tigernose> right
  1095. [12:21] <@Tigernose> Off-topic
  1096. [12:21] <+iHF> Surprised we dont have one
  1097. [12:21] <@Tigernose> Isn't there an off-topic thread?
  1098. [12:21] <@Tigernose> *forum
  1099. [12:21] <+Error504> Yea there is
  1100. [12:21] <@Tigernose> Why isn't that there
  1101. [12:21] <+Error504> Person created it in the wrong place
  1102. [12:21] <@Tigernose> Well we should be able to move it, right?
  1103. [12:21] <+Error504> yea
  1104. [12:21] <+PenblooeR> The general wiki rules should apply for the forums. A guideline for the forums should just say the right place for each kind of topic
  1105. [12:21] <+Error504> But it made me think that we should have some simple participation guidelines
  1106. [12:21] <Djf1107> !vote for
  1107. 01[12:21] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted for 
  1108. 01[12:21] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1109. [12:22] <@Tux> ...
  1110. [12:22] <+Error504> !clearvotes.
  1111. 01[12:22] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1112. [12:22] <+AgentJohnson> Note: If Fanon has forums, would this apply to us?
  1113. [12:22] <+AgentJohnson> That's coming up in a later issue.
  1114. [12:22] <+PenblooeR> Can I propode something?
  1115. [12:22] <@Tux> You'd need to define policy
  1116. [12:22] <@Tux> PenblooeR, not yet
  1117. [12:22] <@Tigernose> So you mean a new policy?
  1118. [12:22] <+Error504> I think forums should be locally discussed.
  1119. [12:22] <+PenblooeR> Bureaucrats should be able to give out the Forum rights
  1120. [12:22] <@Tigernose> A forum policy?
  1121. [12:22] <@Tigernose> What do you mean by guidelines?
  1122. [12:22] <+Error504> kinda like a policy.
  1123. [12:23] <+AgentJohnson> At least a joint project to create a basic global forum policy.
  1124. [12:23] <Djf1107> I'm for
  1125. [12:23] <+Error504> It's not strict though.
  1126. [12:23] <+AgentJohnson> Brb.
  1127. [12:23] <@Tigernose> What would you suggest?
  1128. [12:23] <@Tigernose> Error
  1129. [12:23] <Welcome00|iPad> Its not vote time yet...
  1130. 03[12:23] * ProjectX|away is now known as ProjectXMark1
  1131. [12:23] <+Error504> - All wiki policies apply
  1132. [12:24] <+Error504> - Create threads in the appropriate section.
  1133. [12:24] <@Tigernose> What about punishments?
  1134. [12:24] <+Error504> and maybe some others that come up later.
  1135. [12:24] <@Tigernose> for the threads in appropriate section part
  1136. [12:24] <@Tigernose> As punishments will correspond to wiki policies
  1137. [12:24] <ProjectXMark1> Would this apply to us fanon ppl?
  1138. [12:24] <@Tigernose> If you get a forum
  1139. [12:24] <@Tigernose> yeah
  1140. [12:24] <+PenblooeR> Is there such thing as a "Forum Block" group?
  1141. [12:24] <ProjectXMark1> Ok.
  1142. [12:24] <@Tux> Yes
  1143. [12:24] <+PenblooeR> TThose who aren't allowed to post on the forums
  1144. [12:24] <+Error504> No spamming forums.
  1145. [12:25] <@Tux> Forum:Admin
  1146. [12:25] <@Tux> Forum:Mod
  1147. [12:25] <@Tux> Forum:CantView
  1148. [12:25] <@Tux> Forum:CantPost
  1149. [12:25] <@Tux> Forum:CantEdit
  1150. [12:25] <@Tux> Forum:CantDelete
  1151. [12:25] <@Tux> Forum:CantSearch
  1152. [12:25] <@Tux> Forum:NoSigs
  1153. [12:25] <@Tux> Those are the AWC rights
  1154. [12:25] <@Tigernose> I'm in favour of such policy
  1155. [12:25] <+Error504> can'tpost would work
  1156. [12:25] <+PenblooeR> Bureaucrats should be able to give these rights
  1157. [12:25] <+Swissy> Tigernose, it's favor not favour
  1158. [12:25] <@Tigernose> It's favour actually
  1159. [12:25] <+Error504> It's the same thing.
  1160. [12:25] <+PenblooeR> Favour = UK English
  1161. [12:25] <+Swissy> :P
  1162. [12:25] <+iHF> Its favour in Englabd
  1163. [12:25] <+AgentJohnson> Back.
  1164. [12:25] <@Tigernose> So
  1165. [12:25] <+Error504> and Canada :P
  1166. [12:25] <@Sharkbate> UK English
  1167. [12:25] <Welcome00|iPad> Its favour in the UK
  1168. [12:26] <@Tigernose> For = forum policy with LM's suggestions
  1169. [12:26] <+Swissy> It's favour not favor.
  1170. [12:26] <@Sharkbate> Canada was British originally. Kind of.
  1171. [12:26] <+Error504> it is
  1172. [12:26] <@Sharkbate> British colonies
  1173. [12:26] <+Error504> it was.
  1174. [12:26] <+iHF> Vote time?
  1175. [12:26] <@Tigernose> Against = no forum policy
  1176. [12:26] <@Tigernose> Let's vote
  1177. [12:26] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  1178. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  1179. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1180. [12:26] <+Error504> !vote for
  1181. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  1182. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1183. [12:26] <+Swissy> The Commonwealth.
  1184. [12:26] <+iHF> !vote for
  1185. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  1186. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1187. [12:26] <ProjectXMark1> Can I vote?
  1188. [12:26] <+Error504> yep.
  1189. [12:26] <@Tux> !vote for
  1190. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  1191. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1192. [12:26] <+PenblooeR> Tigernose: Bureaucrats should be able to give out forum rights
  1193. [12:26] <Welcome00|iPad> !vote for
  1194. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Welcome00|iPad has voted for 
  1195. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1196. [12:26] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  1197. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  1198. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1199. [12:26] <@Tigernose> Pen, yes
  1200. [12:26] <+Error504> Project, yea sure
  1201. [12:26] <@Sharkbate> !vote for
  1202. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Sharkbate has voted for 
  1203. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1204. [12:26] <Djf1107> !vote for
  1205. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted for 
  1206. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 8 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1207. [12:26] <ProjectXMark1> !vote for
  1208. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted for 
  1209. 01[12:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 9 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1210. [12:27] <+iHF> Whats next topic?
  1211. [12:27] <@Tigernose> I think it's pretty clear
  1212. [12:27] <+AgentJohnson> 6.
  1213. [12:27] <@Tigernose> One sec
  1214. [12:27] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  1215. 01[12:27] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1216. [12:27] <ProjectXMark1> Not related to fanon.
  1217. [12:27] <@Tux> (6) Define the "standards" for parties/events
  1218. [12:27] <+PenblooeR> (6) Define the "standards" for parties/events
  1219. [12:27] <+AgentJohnson> (6) Define the "standards" for parties/events
  1220. [12:27] <Welcome00|iPad> 9-0-0?
  1221. [12:27] <Welcome00|iPad> Thats big
  1222. [12:27] <+PenblooeR> Combo
  1223. [12:27] <ProjectXMark1> Ping me when the vote is over.
  1224. [12:27] <@Tux> 9-1-1
  1225. [12:27] <@Tux> lol
  1226. 03[12:27] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (6) Define the "standards" for parties/events [CPW]'
  1227. [12:27] <+iHF> C-c-c-combo.
  1228. [12:27] <+AgentJohnson> Wow. This is stupid?
  1229. [12:27] <+AgentJohnson> (6) Define the "standards" for parties/events
  1230. [12:27] <Welcome00|iPad> XD
  1231. [12:27] <@Tigernose> What I mean is we need to discuss what makes a party a party! Such as on Valentine's Day Celebration 2006 and Pizza Parlor Opening Party, aswell as some others. Cp kid Let's talk! 00:31, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
  1232. [12:27] <+AgentJohnson> Is there a difference?
  1233. [12:27] <+PenblooeR> AJ, actually it's a CPW issue
  1234. [12:27] <+Error504> i don't know about that.
  1235. [12:27] <@Tigernose> I personally think it should remain parties
  1236. [12:27] <+AgentJohnson> I know.
  1237. [12:27] <+AgentJohnson> I won't vote.
  1238. [12:27] <+Error504> Everything should be event by default.
  1239. [12:27] <@Tigernose> Let's not be pedantic
  1240. [12:27] <+AgentJohnson> I'll still talk.
  1241. [12:28] <@Tux> I don't know
  1242. [12:28] <@Tigernose> Look at the "parties" template
  1243. [12:28] <+Error504> party should be something bigger.
  1244. [12:28] <+PenblooeR> My proposal: All partis are events, not all events are parties
  1245. [12:28] <@Tigernose> It's easier to navigate if every event is considered a party
  1246. [12:28] <+Error504> I think it's fine the way we assume right now
  1247. [12:28] <+PenblooeR> An event is anything that happens in the island and changed the rooms design in some way
  1248. [12:28] <+AgentJohnson> This is so trivial. Do we really need to spend time discussing it?
  1249. [12:28] <+AgentJohnson> No offence.
  1250. [12:28] <@Tigernose> its an irc meeting
  1251. [12:28] <@Tigernose> we have to
  1252. [12:29] <+AgentJohnson> Very well.
  1253. 03[12:29] * A7XRev (18fb15ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.251.21.171) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  1254. [12:29] <+Error504> Someone brings something up, we discuss their concerns.
  1255. [12:29] <+PenblooeR> Like Scavenger Hunts and natural disasters
  1256. [12:29] <@Tigernose> Penblooer has a good point
  1257. [12:29] <+Error504> Those would be events.
  1258. [12:29] <@Tigernose> 8] <PenblooeR> My proposal: All partis are events, not all events are parties
  1259. 03[12:29] * Seahorse (~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  1260. 03[12:29] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Seahorse
  1261. [12:29] <A7XRev> ok
  1262. [12:29] <+AgentJohnson> Penblooer has a good idea.
  1263. [12:29] <@Tigernose> Seahorse why didn't you come when you joined
  1264. [12:29] <@Seahorse> i did, it was empty
  1265. [12:29] <Welcome00|iPad> Sea is here now
  1266. [12:30] <+PenblooeR> A party is a large-scale event. It should have at least more than 3 rooms with notable changes in the design
  1267. [12:30] <@Tigernose> Problem is
  1268. [12:30] <+PenblooeR> The storm would still not be a arty even though it made notable changes to rooms, because it's a natural disaster
  1269. [12:30] <+Error504> That's kinda like math - all relations are functions but not all functions are relations :P
  1270. [12:30] <+AgentJohnson> What does the average player see as a party?
  1271. [12:30] <+AgentJohnson> And as an event?
  1272. [12:30] <@Tigernose> An "event template" and a "party template" would take up too much space
  1273. [12:30] <@Tigernose> at the bottom
  1274. [12:30] <+AgentJohnson> Think of it like that, not from a Wikian point of view.
  1275. [12:31] <+Error504> or we could just classify everything as an event and leave it there.
  1276. [12:31] <Welcome00|iPad> We could just mix it I guess?
  1277. [12:31] <A7XRev> How about having a party template and adding the event template in it
  1278. [12:31] <+PenblooeR> For an average player, a party is a big event that is advertise in the Club Penguin News as a PARTY
  1279. [12:31] <A7XRev> Two sections
  1280. [12:31] <@Tigernose> How would that work?
  1281. [12:31] <+PenblooeR> advertised*
  1282. [12:31] <@Tigernose> I think we should leave all as "parties"
  1283. [12:31] <Djf1107> Agreeded
  1284. [12:31] <@Seahorse> I personally think we shouldn't distinguish what it is specifically, just group them all together as "events" and just say party in the page title if its truly a party
  1285. [12:31] <A7XRev> 2 sections
  1286. [12:31] <@Tigernose> The disinction isn't important and takes too much space
  1287. [12:31] <A7XRev> Parties
  1288. [12:31] <@Sharkbate> would I be able to bring up a topic after the agenda is finished?
  1289. [12:31] <@Tux> Yes
  1290. [12:31] <+Error504> yes
  1291. [12:31] <@Tigernose> Yes
  1292. [12:31] <+iHF> Yes
  1293. [12:31] <@Sharkbate> Ok
  1294. [12:32] <@Tigernose> Well I guess the distinction is "party" or "event" for all of them
  1295. [12:32] <@Tux> Seahorse, got PayPal balance on you
  1296. [12:32] <+iHF> Yep
  1297. [12:32] <@Seahorse> Tux, no
  1298. [12:32] <@Tigernose> We'd have to change every "event" page to say "event"
  1299. [12:32] <@Tux> k
  1300. [12:32] <+PenblooeR> Event = Scavenger Hunts, natural disaster, anything that changes the room design
  1301. [12:32] <+PenblooeR> Party = large-scale events, with at least 3 rooms decorated
  1302. [12:32] <+PenblooeR> Fine?
  1303. [12:32] <+iHF> Yeah
  1304. [12:32] <@Tigernose> Well I don't play CP
  1305. [12:32] <A7XRev> I can agree with that
  1306. [12:32] <Welcome00|iPad> Agreed
  1307. [12:32] <@Tigernose> You guys know better than me
  1308. [12:32] <Welcome00|iPad> I do
  1309. [12:33] <@Seahorse> Tux, I can grab it in a few weeks when my old laptop comes back from repairs
  1310. [12:33] <Welcome00|iPad> Only on parties
  1311. [12:33] <+Error504> Should we vote on Pen's proposal?
  1312. [12:33] <@Tux> brb
  1313. [12:33] <+AgentJohnson> As what Tigernose said.
  1314. [12:33] <@Seahorse> it has the password on there somewhere
  1315. [12:33] <A7XRev> yes
  1316. [12:33] <@Tigernose> This doesn't have a party in its name
  1317. [12:33] <@Tigernose> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Music_Jam_2011
  1318. [12:33] <@Tigernose> Is it still a party then?
  1319. [12:33] <+PenblooeR> Right
  1320. [12:33] <A7XRev> Yes
  1321. [12:33] <+iHF> Yes
  1322. [12:33] <@Tigernose> So
  1323. [12:33] <Welcome00|iPad> Yes
  1324. [12:33] <@Tigernose> What's an example of an event?
  1325. [12:33] <+PenblooeR> The storm of 2010
  1326. [12:33] <@Sharkbate> Yeah
  1327. [12:33] <Welcome00|iPad> Fashion Show
  1328. [12:33] <@Tigernose> link?
  1329. [12:33] <@Seahorse> Penguin Play Awards
  1330. [12:33] <@Sharkbate> Earth Day shouldn't be a party...
  1331. [12:33] <+PenblooeR> No
  1332. [12:33] <@Sharkbate> but it is I guess
  1333. [12:33] <A7XRev> PPA was a party
  1334. [12:33] <+PenblooeR> PPA would be a party
  1335. [12:33] <+Error504> Sharkbate, lol ikr
  1336. [12:34] <@Seahorse> not really
  1337. [12:34] <+PenblooeR> It had the Plaza, the Stage and the Back Stage decorated
  1338. [12:34] <@Sharkbate> Earth Day was a two room thing
  1339. [12:34] <@Tigernose> Link to storm of 2010?
  1340. [12:34] <+iHF> Is rockhopper a party?
  1341. [12:34] <@Tigernose> I cant find it
  1342. [12:34] <Welcome00|iPad> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Fashion_Show
  1343. [12:34] <@Sharkbate> Penguin Play Awards should be an event
  1344. [12:34] <A7XRev> it also had the Town decorated
  1345. [12:34] <Welcome00|iPad> An example
  1346. [12:34] <+PenblooeR> Tigernose, http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/The_Great_Storm_of_2010
  1347. [12:34] <@Tigernose> Well it says event already
  1348. [12:34] <@Sharkbate> An event should be: Less than four or five decorated rooms
  1349. [12:34] <+PenblooeR> ven though the whole island had changes, it's an event because it was a natural disasters
  1350. [12:34] <+PenblooeR> Disaster*
  1351. [12:34] <@Tigernose> Cp kid was trying to distinguish between these examples:
  1352. [12:34] <@Tigernose> Valentine's Day Celebration 2006 and Pizza Parlor Opening Party
  1353. [12:34] <@Tigernose> Aren't they both parties
  1354. [12:35] <A7XRev> Winter Luau?
  1355. [12:35] <Djf1107> No
  1356. [12:35] <@Sharkbate> Winter Luau was a party
  1357. [12:35] <A7XRev> ok
  1358. [12:35] <@Tigernose> We already have a distinction between e.g. great storm and e.g. X party
  1359. [12:35] <+PenblooeR> I think we should also consider events with party rooms parties
  1360. [12:35] <@Tigernose> Yeah
  1361. [12:35] <@Tigernose> Like Valentine's Day
  1362. [12:35] <+AgentJohnson> I say let's not make it confusing. I'm opposed to any change for now.
  1363. [12:35] <@Tigernose> oh wait
  1364. [12:35] <+PenblooeR> Cave Expedition
  1365. [12:35] <@Tigernose> That was just changed room design
  1366. [12:35] <+AgentJohnson> But go on.
  1367. [12:35] <@Sharkbate> A Party should be: An event with more than four/five rooms or a special room opening.
  1368. [12:35] <@Seahorse> would you call the Grammy awards a party
  1369. [12:36] <@Sharkbate> Nope
  1370. [12:36] <A7XRev> Should we vote?
  1371. [12:36] <Welcome00|iPad> No
  1372. [12:36] <@Seahorse> exactly
  1373. [12:36] <@Tigernose> Wait
  1374. [12:36] <+AgentJohnson> But does the Average Player think it like that Sharkbate?
  1375. [12:36] <+PenblooeR> The Cave Expedition only changed the Mine design, but it opened 3 new rooms, so it is a party
  1376. [12:36] <@Seahorse> so why would the ppa be a party
  1377. [12:36] <@Sharkbate> AgentJohnson: Possibly.
  1378. [12:36] <+Swissy> Uhhhh...how many of these "Issues" do we have to tackle today?
  1379. [12:36] <+PenblooeR> Seahorse, because 3 rooms were decoraed: Plaza, Town, Backstage
  1380. [12:36] <@Sharkbate> PPA is an event.
  1381. [12:36] <+Error504> I think we should just dismiss this and leave it the way it is.
  1382. [12:36] <+PenblooeR> And it had a party room
  1383. [12:36] <@Tigernose> Here's the thing
  1384. [12:36] <+AgentJohnson> 9.
  1385. [12:36] <Welcome00|iPad> PPA = NOT A PARTAY!
  1386. [12:36] <A7XRev> No its a party
  1387. [12:36] <+AgentJohnson> Swissy, 9.
  1388. [12:36] <@Tigernose> Cp kid didn't want to distinguish that
  1389. [12:36] <@Tigernose> We've already distinguished them
  1390. [12:36] <@Tigernose> We knows those are events/party
  1391. [12:36] <@Sharkbate> EVENTS = LESS THAN FOUR OR FIVE DECORATED ROOMS
  1392. [12:36] <+Swissy> Ok.
  1393. [12:36] <+Error504> There's no official classification for a party/event.
  1394. [12:36] <@Tigernose> Cp kid used these archetypes
  1395. [12:36] <@Tigernose> Valentine's Day Celebration 2006 and Pizza Parlor Opening Party
  1396. [12:36] <+PenblooeR> PPA = PARTY Because it had a party room (Backstage) and 3 rooms were decorated (Plaza, Town, Backstage)
  1397. [12:37] <@Sharkbate> PARTIES: ROOM OPENINGS OR EVENTS WITH MORE THAN FOUR/FIVE VOTES
  1398. [12:37] <Djf1107> I'm a no
  1399. [12:37] <@Seahorse> now you know what its like to be in the United States congress
  1400. [12:37] <+iHF> Lol
  1401. [12:37] <+AgentJohnson> I say this should be put on hold, to allow CP Kid to give his view.
  1402. [12:37] <+AgentJohnson> And to clarify.
  1403. [12:37] <+Error504> I don't call PPA a party.
  1404. [12:37] <@Tigernose> I agree with AJ
  1405. [12:37] <+PenblooeR> Actually it was first proposed by me on a previous event
  1406. [12:37] <Djf1107> I say dismiss
  1407. [12:37] <A7XRev> I call it a party
  1408. [12:37] <@Tigernose> He needs to clarify his view
  1409. [12:37] <+PenblooeR> Previous meeting*
  1410. [12:37] <@Sharkbate> PPA and Valentine's Day = Less than four/five rooms (Events)
  1411. [12:37] <@Tigernose> We're arguing about what we already have decided
  1412. [12:37] <Welcome00|iPad> PPA is an event for me
  1413. [12:38] <@Tigernose> Let's vote
  1414. [12:38] <+PenblooeR> Sharkbate, PPA had 3 rooms decorated.
  1415. [12:38] <@Tigernose> !vote abstain
  1416. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted abstain 
  1417. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  1418. [12:38] <+iHF> !vote abstain
  1419. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted abstain 
  1420. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  1421. [12:38] <@Tux> !vote abstain
  1422. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted abstain 
  1423. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  1424. [12:38] <+AgentJohnson> !vote abstain
  1425. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted abstain 
  1426. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  1427. [12:38] <@Sharkbate> PenblooeR: Less than four/five
  1428. [12:38] <+PenblooeR> Plaza, Town, Pizza Parlor
  1429. [12:38] <+Error504> !vote abstain
  1430. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted abstain 
  1431. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1432. [12:38] <+iHF> Vote!
  1433. [12:38] <@Seahorse> !vote for
  1434. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 Seahorse has voted for 
  1435. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1436. [12:38] <+PenblooeR> And the backstage
  1437. [12:38] <@Sharkbate> !vote for
  1438. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 Sharkbate has voted for 
  1439. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1440. [12:38] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  1441. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  1442. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1443. [12:38] <+Error504> I really think this is going nowhere.
  1444. [12:38] <@Tigernose> I think we should let cp kid give his view
  1445. [12:38] <+PenblooeR> But it looks more like an event
  1446. [12:38] <+iHF> Same
  1447. [12:38] <@Tigernose> His examples are confusing
  1448. [12:38] <+AgentJohnson> I say put it on hold.
  1449. [12:38] <A7XRev> !vote against
  1450. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 A7XRev has voted against 
  1451. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1452. [12:38] <+Error504> ditto TN
  1453. [12:38] <@Tigernose> We're currently arguing about nothing
  1454. [12:38] <+AgentJohnson> Restart vote Tiger.
  1455. [12:38] <@Tigernose> per AJ, of course :P
  1456. [12:38] <Welcome00|iPad> !vote for
  1457. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3 Welcome00|iPad has voted for 
  1458. 01[12:38] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1459. [12:38] <@Tigernose> Again
  1460. [12:38] <@Tigernose> Let me emphasis
  1461. [12:39] <+AgentJohnson> Heh heh, Tiger is taking orders from me...
  1462. [12:39] <@Tigernose> Cp kid should be here
  1463. [12:39] <Djf1107> !vote against
  1464. 01[12:39] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted against 
  1465. 01[12:39] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1466. [12:39] <+Error504> AgentJohnson, you can remove your vote and vote again.
  1467. [12:39] <@Tigernose> Why vote for something we have no clue about
  1468. [12:39] <+PenblooeR> Actually we do...
  1469. [12:39] <+Swissy> ....
  1470. [12:39] <@Tigernose> We don't
  1471. [12:39] <+Error504> should we add a note on the council page that the person who submits a topic must be at the meeting to have the topic discussed?
  1472. [12:39] <@Tigernose> Cp kid used different examples
  1473. [12:39] <+Error504> It's just wasting our time otherwise
  1474. [12:39] <@Tigernose> He tried to distinguish between two parties with small differences
  1475. [12:39] <+AgentJohnson> Error504 I meant to restart so it can be put on hold.
  1476. [12:39] <+Error504> oh
  1477. [12:39] <Welcome00|iPad> Yea right
  1478. [12:39] <+PenblooeR> What's so confusing about it?
  1479. [12:39] <Djf1107> !removevote
  1480. [12:39] <@Tigernose> Error, yeah
  1481. [12:39] <@Sharkbate> The Parlor Opening = Room Opening (Party). Valentine's = Less than four/five rooms (Event). PPA = Less than four/five rooms (Event).
  1482. [12:39] <@Tigernose> [20:39] <Tigernose> He tried to distinguish between two parties with small differences
  1483. [12:39] <@Tigernose> We're arguing about something else
  1484. [12:40] <+AgentJohnson> [20:39] <+Error504> should we add a note on the council page that the person who submits a topic must be at the meeting to have the topic discussed? - this is important
  1485. [12:40] <@Tigernose> Not what cp kid said
  1486. [12:40] <@Tigernose> Per Error and AJ
  1487. [12:40] <@Tigernose> Let's move on
  1488. [12:40] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  1489. 01[12:40] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1490. [12:40] <Djf1107> !rmvote against
  1491. 01[12:40] <ErrorBot> 4 Djf1107 has removed their vote of against 
  1492. 01[12:40] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: -1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1493. [12:40] <@Tigernose> Cp kid should be at the next meeting
  1494. [12:40] <+Error504> wth
  1495. [12:40] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  1496. 01[12:40] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1497. [12:40] <+Error504> !clearvotes
  1498. 01[12:40] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1499. [12:40] <+iHF> Wtf
  1500. [12:40] <@Tigernose> -1?
  1501. [12:40] <+iHF> Lol
  1502. [12:40] <+Error504> who cares,
  1503. [12:40] <@Tigernose> Here's a big one
  1504. [12:40] <Welcome00|iPad> WTF
  1505. [12:40] <+PenblooeR> (7) Fanon and staff
  1506. 03[12:40] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (7) Fanon and staff'
  1507. [12:40] <@Tigernose> Should we add a staff representative from the CPFW to our team?
  1508. [12:40] <Welcome00|iPad> never knew negative balance existed on the vote
  1509. [12:40] <@Tigernose> This stems from a conversation in #clubpenguinfanon. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 22:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
  1510. [12:40] <+Error504> I say yes for a representative.
  1511. [12:40] <@Tigernose> I say yes
  1512. [12:40] <ProjectXMark1> Yes!
  1513. [12:40] <+AgentJohnson> I'm for this.
  1514. [12:40] <@Tigernose> I believe AJ nominated HF?
  1515. [12:41] <+AgentJohnson> HF first choice.
  1516. [12:41] <Djf1107> !Vote abstain
  1517. 01[12:41] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted abstain 
  1518. 01[12:41] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  1519. [12:41] <+AgentJohnson> Yes.
  1520. [12:41] <@Tigernose> STOP VOTING
  1521. [12:41] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  1522. 01[12:41] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1523. [12:41] <ProjectXMark1> Yes Happyface!
  1524. [12:41] <+Swissy> Yes, definitely
  1525. [12:41] <+PenblooeR> How about 1 staff representative for each major wiki? CPW, CPFW, CPSW.
  1526. [12:41] <@Tigernose> I think "yes" is clear
  1527. [12:41] <@Sharkbate> Don't vote until we discuss
  1528. [12:41] <+AgentJohnson> Not sound like a dick but me second choice.
  1529. [12:41] <@Tigernose> What is not
  1530. 03[12:41] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Error504
  1531. [12:41] <Djf1107> On the lost one
  1532. [12:41] <+iHF> Lol AJ
  1533. [12:41] <Ced1214> Yes but only if it's HF.
  1534. [12:41] <@Tigernose> Is how we should decide on who chooses
  1535. [12:41] <@Tigernose> Remember
  1536. [12:41] <@Tigernose> We used to have "senior staff"
  1537. [12:41] <@Tux> yes
  1538. [12:41] <+PenblooeR> We don't anymore?
  1539. [12:41] <@Tigernose> Their distinction was to be able to promote new staff
  1540. [12:41] <@Tigernose> I think we still do
  1541. [12:41] <@Tigernose> But is it applicable?
  1542. [12:41] <+AgentJohnson> I say it should be Helpers, not Staff.
  1543. [12:41] <@Error504> Djf1107, don't vote unless you're told to. Iif you do that again I'm gonna quiet you.
  1544. [12:41] <+Swissy> !vote for
  1545. 01[12:41] <ErrorBot> 3 Swissy has voted for 
  1546. 01[12:41] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1547. [12:41] <@Tigernose> Shouldn't we let the users vote?
  1548. [12:41] <+AgentJohnson> Because they're representatives.
  1549. [12:42] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  1550. 01[12:42] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1551. [12:42] <A7XRev> STOP VOTING
  1552. [12:42] <@Tigernose> Vote on my call, please
  1553. [12:42] <+PenblooeR> Tigernose: a staff represnttive for the Shops?
  1554. [12:42] <+AgentJohnson> And they're helping by getting the views of Fanoners.
  1555. [12:42] <@Sharkbate> I think a fanon representative would be good. As long as the fanon votes on their representative.
  1556. [12:42] <Djf1107> 2 one normal user 2 bcrat
  1557. [12:42] <@Tigernose> PenblooeR, not really necessary now
  1558. [12:42] <@Error504> I don't think any of the Shops admins qualify atm, no offense.
  1559. [12:42] <@Sharkbate> Shops isn't as active as the Fanon.
  1560. [12:42] <@Seahorse> ErrorBot could use a lock function that requires an op to say !startvoting or something
  1561. [12:42] <Djf1107> No
  1562. [12:42] <@Tigernose> I think it's clear that a fanon representative is needed
  1563. [12:42] <+AgentJohnson> I won't comment on Shops.
  1564. [12:42] <@Tigernose> What we need to vote on is
  1565. [12:42] <@Tigernose> Who should decide?
  1566. [12:42] <Djf1107> I could do it
  1567. [12:42] <@Sharkbate> maybe make the bot leave until we need it
  1568. [12:43] <@Tigernose> Users or senior staff?
  1569. [12:43] <+iHF> Community
  1570. [12:43] <+PenblooeR> Users
  1571. [12:43] <Djf1107> For shops
  1572. [12:43] <@Tigernose> Sharkbate, it's fine
  1573. [12:43] <@Error504> ping me when needed.
  1574. [12:43] <+AgentJohnson> Staff
  1575. [12:43] <Ced1214> The users of the cpfw
  1576. [12:43] <+AgentJohnson> With user input
  1577. [12:43] <@Sharkbate> Tigernose: Let the Fanon users vote on who their representative is.
  1578. [12:43] <ProjectXMark1> CPFW users!
  1579. [12:43] <@Tigernose> Shouldn't CPW users have a say too?
  1580. [12:43] <@Tigernose> It's their website as well
  1581. [12:43] <+PenblooeR> Yeah
  1582. [12:43] <+AgentJohnson> Yes.
  1583. [12:43] <@Sharkbate> Yes.
  1584. [12:43] <Ced1214> Both wikis.
  1585. [12:43] <A7XRev> yes
  1586. [12:43] <ProjectXMark1> Ok.
  1587. [12:43] <+iHF> CPW don't really know Fanoners thougj
  1588. [12:43] <Djf1107> What about shops
  1589. [12:43] <@Tigernose> Where should the vote be held?
  1590. [12:43] <+Swissy> Users, definitely
  1591. [12:43] <+iHF> Thats my one concern
  1592. [12:43] <@Sharkbate> But they should have the right to nominate.
  1593. [12:43] <+PenblooeR> Make a RFS page on CPW and put a link to it on the Fanon
  1594. [12:43] <@Tigernose> iHF, they might
  1595. [12:43] <@Error504> locals vote
  1596. [12:44] <@Error504> remaining staff approve/disapprove of choice
  1597. [12:44] <@Tigernose> They can read the nomination description
  1598. [12:44] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, staff promotion has always been the job of the other staffers
  1599. [12:44] <@Sharkbate> Oh yeah.
  1600. [12:44] <+PenblooeR> This is a different situation
  1601. [12:44] <@Seahorse> staffers don't get any special authority over local wiki policies
  1602. [12:44] <@Tigernose> Yeah but staffers don't go on CPFW
  1603. [12:44] <+Swissy> Then again it could vary on who is proposed to become staff.
  1604. [12:44] <@Tigernose> CPFW have better knowwledge on who should be staff
  1605. [12:45] <+PenblooeR> None of the current staff are much involved with the CPFW. The community can decide better than them, in this case
  1606. [12:45] <@Tigernose> Exactly
  1607. [12:45] <@Seahorse> for example, a staffer cant go into the cpfw and ban someone because they feel like banning them
  1608. [12:45] <+iHF> But the staffers should have a say
  1609. [12:45] <@Tigernose> I think the users should decide, and staff should approve
  1610. [12:45] <+Swissy> Yes, true.
  1611. [12:45] <ProjectXMark1> Yeah, let everyone decide.
  1612. [12:45] <@Tigernose> Alright, but 1 or 2?
  1613. [12:45] <Ced1214> The users should decide on the CPFW and the admins from the CPW should agree?
  1614. [12:45] <+iHF> So what are we voting in?
  1615. [12:45] <@Tigernose> Maybe we need 2?
  1616. [12:45] <@Tigernose> Fanon is as active as CPW
  1617. [12:45] <+AgentJohnson> Staff should have final decision.
  1618. [12:45] <@Tigernose> HF and AJ are the best candidates
  1619. [12:46] <@Tigernose> IMO
  1620. [12:46] <ProjectXMark1> Ok,
  1621. [12:46] <@Seahorse> Ced1214, pretty much
  1622. [12:46] <ProjectXMark1> Yeah,
  1623. [12:46] <ProjectXMark1> I vote Happyface.
  1624. [12:46] <+AgentJohnson> Very well.
  1625. [12:46] <@Tigernose> 1 or 2 representatives?
  1626. [12:46] <ProjectXMark1> What is the difference?
  1627. [12:46] <+AgentJohnson> 2 = me and HF
  1628. [12:46] <@Tigernose> We get another Fanon representative
  1629. [12:46] <+AgentJohnson> 1 = HF
  1630. [12:46] <@Seahorse> ProjectXMark1, not now. You will decide on-wiki later
  1631. [12:46] <+AgentJohnson> Most likely.
  1632. [12:46] <+PenblooeR> 2 is more than 1
  1633. [12:46] <Ced1214> 2 couldn't hurt right?
  1634. [12:46] <+PenblooeR> That's the difference
  1635. [12:46] <@Error504> bot out of use atm.
  1636. [12:46] <+AgentJohnson> 2 is a big difference.
  1637. [12:46] <AeroNachos> I second the nomination for HF.
  1638. [12:46] <+AgentJohnson> Because it means more people with powers.
  1639. [12:46] <+iHF> 2 would mea
  1640. [12:47] <+iHF> Yeah
  1641. [12:47] <@Tigernose> It's not about who at the moment
  1642. [12:47] <@Tigernose> It's about how many
  1643. [12:47] <@Tigernose> One slot or two slots?
  1644. [12:47] <+Swissy> Ok
  1645. [12:47] <@Sharkbate> I say one for now.
  1646. [12:47] <@Tigernose> Why not two?
  1647. [12:47] <+iHF> Seahorse can decide
  1648. [12:47] <+AgentJohnson> 1 for now.
  1649. [12:47] <ProjectXMark1> Yeah, one for now seems good.
  1650. [12:47] <+iHF> Hes the CEO
  1651. [12:47] <+Swissy> Wait, how many CPW reps are there atm?
  1652. [12:47] <@Tigernose> Why not two?
  1653. [12:47] <+AgentJohnson> 2 should be decided later.
  1654. [12:47] <@Tigernose> 5?
  1655. [12:47] <ProjectXMark1> We'll decide if we need 2 at the next meeting.
  1656. [12:47] <+AgentJohnson> Actaully, Swissy has a point.
  1657. [12:47] <@Tigernose> 5 active nes I think
  1658. [12:47] <+AgentJohnson> Then I go with 2.
  1659. [12:47] <@Tigernose> Project, no
  1660. [12:48] <@Tigernose> That's what I mean
  1661. [12:48] <@Sharkbate> Maybe 2.
  1662. [12:48] <@Tigernose> 5 vs 1
  1663. [12:48] <@Tigernose> Yet Fanon are as active as us
  1664. [12:48] <+AgentJohnson> For the sake of proportion, two
  1665. 06[12:48] * @Seahorse doesn't like calling them "reps"
  1666. [12:48] <Ced1214> We should try one and if we feel that we need two, we add another one?
  1667. [12:48] <+AgentJohnson> Agreed,
  1668. [12:48] <@Seahorse> they work for all the wikis, not their home wiki
  1669. [12:48] <+AgentJohnson> And I'd just take Helper.
  1670. [12:48] <@Sharkbate> We aren't getting five fanon reps.
  1671. [12:48] <@Tigernose> Yeah
  1672. [12:48] <+iHF> Yeah
  1673. [12:48] <@Sharkbate> or 'staff'
  1674. [12:48] <@Tigernose> But 2 seems more reasonable
  1675. [12:48] <@Sharkbate> Yes
  1676. [12:48] <+iHF> 2 at most
  1677. [12:48] <ProjectXMark1> 2 it is!
  1678. [12:48] <@Tigernose> Should we vote on 1 or 2?
  1679. [12:48] <+iHF> 3 if we get really active
  1680. [12:48] <+AgentJohnson> For official reasons... vote?
  1681. [12:48] <@Tigernose> As it's clear that there will be at least 1
  1682. [12:48] <@Tigernose> What doyou think Sea?
  1683. [12:48] <+PenblooeR> Seahorse, but none of the current Staff are involved with the CPFW, even though they work for all wikis.
  1684. [12:48] <@Sharkbate> The only reason there are five CPW staff members could be because it's the main site.
  1685. [12:48] <@Error504> bot out of use.
  1686. [12:49] <+AgentJohnson> For = 2 Abstain = 1
  1687. [12:49] <@Sharkbate> but not five of each
  1688. [12:49] <+AgentJohnson> Against = 0
  1689. 03[12:49] * Swiss_ (630569b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.5.105.177) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  1690. 02[12:49] * Swiss_ (630569b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.5.105.177) Quit (Client Quit)
  1691. [12:49] <ProjectXMark1> Yes, lets vote.
  1692. [12:49] <@Tigernose> Wait
  1693. [12:49] <@Tigernose> Sea, should we vote on this in your opinion?
  1694. [12:49] <@Tigernose> Error too?
  1695. [12:49] <@Seahorse> PenblooeR, so if you need them, call them. When they are working at the cpw they are acting as CPW Admins, not staff
  1696. [12:49] <ProjectXMark1> Oh yeah, darnit the bot's out of use.
  1697. [12:49] <ProjectXMark1> [20:48] <@Error504> bot out of use.
  1698. [12:50] <@Error504> I'm adding some command.
  1699. [12:50] <+PenblooeR> But how would they know what's the right thing to do if they have no idea of what is going on?
  1700. [12:50] <@Tigernose> Error
  1701. [12:50] <@Tigernose> Do you think we should vote or not?
  1702. [12:50] <@Seahorse> the stuff they are doing at the cpw, they can't do (like policy making, etc.) at the cpfw because they aren't cpfw admins, just staff'
  1703. [12:50] <@Error504> yea?
  1704. [12:50] <@Sharkbate> brb
  1705. [12:50] <@Error504> vote on it manuall
  1706. [12:50] <@Error504> manually.
  1707. [12:50] <@Tigernose> Why
  1708. [12:50] <ProjectXMark1> Ok.
  1709. 03[12:50] * Swiss_ (630569b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.5.105.177) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  1710. [12:50] <+AgentJohnson> Why not use Helper?
  1711. [12:50] <@Error504> I'm lost atm.
  1712. [12:50] <+iHF> Bot is down
  1713. [12:50] <@Tux> For.
  1714. [12:50] <@Tigernose> Why is the bot down...?
  1715. [12:50] <ProjectXMark1> Just let error get on with it.
  1716. [12:50] <+AgentJohnson> For (2).
  1717. [12:50] <+PenblooeR> PenblooeR But how would they know what's the right thing to do if they have no idea of what is going on?
  1718. [12:50] <Swiss_> Ok...
  1719. [12:50] <ProjectXMark1> He's adding commands.
  1720. [12:50] <@Tigernose> Oh
  1721. [12:50] <@Tigernose> Well in the case
  1722. [12:51] <@Tigernose> Vote with (1) or (2) now
  1723. [12:51] <ProjectXMark1> I vote for!
  1724. [12:51] <@Tigernose> (2)
  1725. [12:51] <+AgentJohnson> (2)
  1726. [12:51] <ProjectXMark1> (2)
  1727. [12:51] <+PenblooeR> What do these mean?
  1728. [12:51] <@Seahorse> (1)
  1729. [12:51] <@Tigernose> 1 = one rep
  1730. [12:51] <+PenblooeR> oh right
  1731. [12:51] <+PenblooeR> (2)
  1732. 02[12:51] * +Swissy (630569b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.5.105.177) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  1733. [12:51] <Swiss_> (2)
  1734. [12:51] <@Tigernose> 5 vs. 1 seems unreasonable
  1735. [12:51] <+AgentJohnson> Agreed.
  1736. [12:51] <ProjectXMark1> 2 staffers it is!
  1737. [12:51] <@Seahorse> 7 staffers seems unreasonable
  1738. [12:52] <@Tigernose> Project, please don't jump to conclusions
  1739. [12:52] <@Tux> (2)
  1740. [12:52] <@Tigernose> Why Seahorse?
  1741. [12:52] <+AgentJohnson> I say two Helpers
  1742. [12:52] <Ced1214> oh yeah, (2)
  1743. [12:52] <+PenblooeR> I kind of agree with Seahorse. It's not right to say 5 vs. 1
  1744. [12:52] <+AgentJohnson> But that's another discussion
  1745. [12:52] <+AgentJohnson> Or one Staffer, one Helper.
  1746. [12:52] <+PenblooeR> They work for the whole network. But the staff NEED to be involved with the CPFW
  1747. [12:52] <@Error504> bot on again
  1748. [12:52] <@Error504> !votingon
  1749. 01[12:52] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  1750. [12:52] <+iHF> Back
  1751. [12:52] <@Tigernose> What specific rights to helpers have?
  1752. [12:52] <@Tux> k
  1753. [12:52] <@Tigernose> Don't vote yet!
  1754. [12:52] <ProjectXMark1> Ok!
  1755. [12:52] <@Tigernose> FOR = 2
  1756. [12:52] <@Error504> !votingoff
  1757. 01[12:52] <ErrorBot> 4Voting command off
  1758. [12:52] <@Tigernose> AGAINST = 0
  1759. [12:52] <@Tigernose> ABSTAIN = 1
  1760. [12:52] <+AgentJohnson> Can we settle this on 2?
  1761. [12:53] <+PenblooeR> Thinking again
  1762. [12:53] <+AgentJohnson> Discuss things like Helper on the actual page.
  1763. [12:53] <ProjectXMark1> Lets vote for formality.
  1764. [12:53] <@Seahorse> okay
  1765. [12:53] <@Tigernose> !votingon
  1766. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  1767. [12:53] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  1768. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  1769. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1770. [12:53] <Ced1214> !vote for
  1771. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 Ced1214 has voted for 
  1772. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  1773. [12:53] <+PenblooeR> !vote abstain
  1774. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted abstain 
  1775. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  1776. [12:53] <ProjectXMark1> !vote for
  1777. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted for 
  1778. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  1779. [12:53] <+AgentJohnson> !vote for
  1780. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted for 
  1781. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  1782. [12:53] <@Tux> !vote for
  1783. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  1784. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  1785. [12:53] <@Error504> I'm not voting this - misesd the whole thing basically.
  1786. [12:53] <@Seahorse> !vote abstain
  1787. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 Seahorse has voted abstain 
  1788. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  1789. [12:53] <Djf1107> !vote for
  1790. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted for 
  1791. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  1792. [12:53] <+iHF> !vote for
  1793. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  1794. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  1795. [12:53] <@Tigernose> Error, it's basically 2 or 1 fanon staff
  1796. [12:53] <@Error504> oh
  1797. [12:53] <+PenblooeR> Sea is right, we don' need 7 staff. It's too much
  1798. [12:53] <@Seahorse> For = 2 cpfw staffers, Abst = 1 CPFW staffer, Against = 0
  1799. [12:53] <Swiss_> !vote for
  1800. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 Swiss_ has voted for 
  1801. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 8 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  1802. [12:53] <Ced1214> !rmvote for
  1803. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 4 Ced1214 has removed their vote of for 
  1804. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  1805. [12:53] <Ced1214> !vote abstain
  1806. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 Ced1214 has voted abstain 
  1807. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  1808. [12:53] <@Error504> !vote abstain
  1809. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted abstain 
  1810. 01[12:53] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  1811. [12:53] <@Tigernose> Why too much?
  1812. [12:54] <Welcome00|iPad> !vote abstain
  1813. 01[12:54] <ErrorBot> 3 Welcome00|iPad has voted abstain 
  1814. 01[12:54] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1815. [12:54] <@Tigernose> Why is it too much?
  1816. [12:54] <+AgentJohnson> I say that's a majority of active councillors.
  1817. [12:54] <@Tigernose> You can't say it's too much for no reason
  1818. [12:54] <A7XRev> !vote abstain
  1819. 01[12:54] <ErrorBot> 3 A7XRev has voted abstain 
  1820. 01[12:54] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 6 
  1821. [12:54] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, because you can say the cpw is 5 times as active as the cpfw
  1822. [12:54] <@Tigernose> Seahorse?
  1823. [12:54] <+AgentJohnson> I think he'll elaborate some other time.
  1824. [12:54] <+PenblooeR> It's just too much. This problem can be solved if the staff become more involved with the wiki
  1825. [12:54] <@Tigernose> Seahorse, they're not 5 times as active lol
  1826. [12:54] <@Tigernose> They're as active as each other
  1827. [12:54] <@Seahorse> the amount of users, etc.
  1828. [12:54] <@Tigernose> Exactly
  1829. [12:54] <@Seahorse> not recently
  1830. [12:55] <@Tigernose> CPW may be more active
  1831. [12:55] <@Tigernose> but not /5/ times as much
  1832. [12:55] <@Tigernose> that's ridiculous
  1833. [12:55] <@Seahorse> well, last time I checked there was barely 5 edits going on daily, unless things have changed in the last few months
  1834. [12:55] <+AgentJohnson> Agreed.
  1835. [12:55] <+AgentJohnson> With Tiger.
  1836. [12:55] <@Tigernose> It's 5 CPW staffers staffing over a wiki they have no clue about
  1837. [12:55] <+AgentJohnson> Not 5 times as much.
  1838. [12:55] <+PenblooeR> Sea, they have changed.
  1839. [12:55] <@Tigernose> And only 1 CPFW staffer to help out
  1840. [12:55] <+AgentJohnson> It isn't proportional.
  1841. [12:55] <+PenblooeR> This is what I'm talking about. Sea doesn't even know the amount of active users in CPFW. The staff NEED to be more active there
  1842. [12:55] <+AgentJohnson> 1 out of 6
  1843. [12:56] <@Tigernose> Penblooer, exactly
  1844. [12:56] <+AgentJohnson> 2 out of 7 seems fairer.
  1845. [12:56] <@Tigernose> Well seeing as we need something close to a super-majority
  1846. [12:56] <@Tux> 2/7
  1847. [12:56] <@Seahorse> Sharkbate?
  1848. [12:56] <@Seahorse> you have to vote
  1849. [12:56] <Djf1107> B crate
  1850. [12:56] <@Error504> I'll change my vote.
  1851. [12:56] <@Error504> !rmvote abstain
  1852. 01[12:56] <ErrorBot> 4 Error504 has removed their vote of abstain 
  1853. 01[12:56] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1854. [12:56] <+AgentJohnson> Very well Tux. 2/7.
  1855. [12:56] <@Error504> !vote for
  1856. 01[12:56] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  1857. 01[12:56] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 8 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1858. [12:56] <@Tux> k
  1859. [12:57] <+AgentJohnson> Looks good.
  1860. [12:57] <+AgentJohnson> 8-0-5
  1861. [12:57] <@Tigernose> Saying it's too much is just arbitrary
  1862. [12:57] <@Sharkbate> !vote for
  1863. 01[12:57] <ErrorBot> 3 Sharkbate has voted for 
  1864. 01[12:57] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 9 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  1865. [12:57] <+iHF> Mmkay
  1866. [12:57] <+AgentJohnson> Even better.
  1867. [12:57] <@Tigernose> Well
  1868. [12:57] <@Tigernose> Looks like 2 open slots
  1869. [12:57] <ProjectXMark1> Ok,
  1870. [12:57] <+iHF> 9-0-5
  1871. [12:57] <@Tigernose> Doesn't mean necessarily there will be 2
  1872. [12:57] <@Error504> CPW/CPFW are almost equal.
  1873. [12:57] <@Tigernose> the candidates will still be assessed
  1874. [12:57] <@Error504> should be more balanced.
  1875. [12:57] <+AgentJohnson> 9/14 = 14 is three numbers away from */**
  1876. [12:57] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  1877. 01[12:57] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  1878. 03[12:57] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (8) Regarding Rollbacks and Patrollers'
  1879. [12:57] <+iHF> TS will be pissed
  1880. [12:57] <Djf1107> What about shops
  1881. [12:57] <@Tigernose> While talking on the IRC, AJ and I noticed that the Patroller power made the rollback look really redundant. We'd like to bring up the proposal of maybe removing rollbacks entirely, and replacing them with a dumbed down patroller.
  1882. [12:57] <@Tigernose> The new patroller would be the classic patroller, made by MediaWiki. It is pretty much an enhanced Recent Changes interface. In my own words, rollbacks on 'roids.
  1883. [12:58] <@Tigernose> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Patroller
  1884. [12:58] <@Tigernose> Happyface414 (talk|blog|contribs) 23:53, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
  1885. [12:58] <@Tigernose> I don't care about TS' whining
  1886. [12:58] <+PenblooeR> Nobody cares
  1887. [12:58] <+AgentJohnson> Rollback would be removed,
  1888. [12:58] <+iHF> Same
  1889. [12:58] <+AgentJohnson> And Patroller would also 'patrol'
  1890. [12:58] <+AgentJohnson> It's overlooked
  1891. [12:58] <+AgentJohnson> But I say it's required
  1892. [12:58] <@Tigernose> So what does Patroller do compared to rollback?
  1893. [12:58] <@Seahorse> Djf1107, find me someone on shops who can actually be a staffer and I will gladly make them one, but I don't think there is anyone
  1894. [12:58] <+PenblooeR> That extension looks good
  1895. [12:58] <A7XRev> Are you guys going to remove Rollbacks
  1896. [12:58] <ProjectXMark1> So, what is the difference between Patrollers and Rollbacks?
  1897. [12:58] <+AgentJohnson> A Patroller will have Rollback power.
  1898. [12:58] <+PenblooeR> TN, delete pages, mark edits as patrolled
  1899. [12:58] <Djf1107> What's different
  1900. [12:58] <+AgentJohnson> BUT
  1901. [12:58] <@Tigernose> Is that it?
  1902. [12:58] <+AgentJohnson> It will also have to patrol pages.
  1903. [12:58] <+PenblooeR> Yes
  1904. [12:59] <+AgentJohnson> Which means markking them as 'not spam'
  1905. [12:59] <@Error504> nobody even bothers to mark edits as patrolled.
  1906. [12:59] <@Tigernose> Here's the thing with Patrollers
  1907. [12:59] <+iHF> AJ can you handle this?
  1908. [12:59] <@Error504> at least not on the CPW.
  1909. [12:59] <+AgentJohnson> Then people should.
  1910. [12:59] <+AgentJohnson> Yes.
  1911. [12:59] <+AgentJohnson> I would be happy to.
  1912. [12:59] <+iHF> Im ratger useless
  1913. [12:59] <@Tigernose> Yeah they have that delete right, but they keep on getting counted as junior sysops
  1914. [12:59] <@Tigernose> It's annoying
  1915. [12:59] <@Tigernose> A patroller is a patroller
  1916. [12:59] <+PenblooeR> Would that be like afusion between the patroller and rollback right?
  1917. [12:59] <A7XRev> Are you guys removing Rollbacks?
  1918. [12:59] <@Tigernose> No
  1919. [12:59] <+AgentJohnson> Yes to Pen and A7X
  1920. [12:59] <+AgentJohnson> And this applies to CPFW.
  1921. [12:59] <@Tigernose> I don't think there should be a fuse
  1922. [12:59] <+AgentJohnson> I do.
  1923. [12:59] <AeroNachos> TS isn't getting back his admin rights, correct?
  1924. [13:00] <+PenblooeR> If this is implemented, I'd like that extension installed in CPWPT as well :P
  1925. [13:00] <+iHF> No
  1926. [13:00] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, I wanted to scrap patroller
  1927. [13:00] <AeroNachos> Good.
  1928. [13:00] <@Tigernose> Patroller should remain, as long as they don't get ocounted as junior patroller
  1929. [13:00] <+AgentJohnson> Because there isn't much of a community.
  1930. [13:00] <@Tux> yes
  1931. [13:00] <A7XRev> So me and Pen would be Patrollers?
  1932. [13:00] <+AgentJohnson> And Patroller wpuld better replace Rollback.
  1933. [13:00] <@Tigernose> The only problem I see with patrollers is that they keep on getting counted as junior sysops*
  1934. [13:00] <+AgentJohnson> They're not anymore.
  1935. 06[13:00] * @Tux afk
  1936. [13:00] <@Tigernose> Rollback would have too many rights
  1937. [13:00] <+AgentJohnson> They don't have delete.
  1938. [13:00] <+iHF> Too much power
  1939. [13:00] <@Tigernose> We give them out too easily
  1940. [13:00] <+PenblooeR> I never saw patrollers as junior sysops
  1941. [13:00] <ProjectXMark1> I have no idea what's going on..
  1942. [13:00] <+AgentJohnson> They're Patroller, period.
  1943. [13:00] <Djf1107> I thinks for the network
  1944. [13:01] <A7XRev> So Rollbacks are going to be Patrollers?
  1945. [13:01] <+iHF> No
  1946. [13:01] <+AgentJohnson> I say yes
  1947. [13:01] <ProjectXMark1> Are we voting?
  1948. [13:01] <@Tigernose> That's too many rights
  1949. [13:01] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, how about renaming it and perhaps getting rid of the existing ones and selecting new ones
  1950. [13:01] <@Tigernose> For something so easy to give
  1951. [13:01] <A7XRev> Should we vote?
  1952. [13:01] <+iHF> Patroller will be rollbacks on roids
  1953. [13:01] <+AgentJohnson> No delete
  1954. [13:01] <+PenblooeR> Some people think patrollers are superior to rollbacks, while they're at the same "level".
  1955. [13:01] <+AgentJohnson> I've said that
  1956. [13:01] <+AgentJohnson> Only Patrol
  1957. [13:01] <@Tigernose> Then why fuse?
  1958. [13:01] <@Tigernose> For only patrol
  1959. [13:01] <@Tigernose> really?
  1960. [13:01] <+AgentJohnson> AND Rollback
  1961. [13:01] <@Tigernose> That leaves deleting just to admins
  1962. [13:02] <+PenblooeR> TN, Patrollers can delete pages and files
  1963. [13:02] <+PenblooeR> Not only patrol
  1964. [13:02] <A7XRev> Infuse Rollbacks with Patrollers
  1965. [13:02] <@Tigernose> They can't now, according to AJ
  1966. [13:02] <+PenblooeR> Yes, they can.
  1967. [13:02] <@Tigernose> Well not if they get fused
  1968. [13:02] <+PenblooeR> TN did that all the time
  1969. [13:02] <+PenblooeR> TS*
  1970. [13:02] <@Tigernose> [21:01] <AgentJohnson> No delete
  1971. [13:02] <+PenblooeR> lol
  1972. [13:02] <+iHF> Can they protect?
  1973. [13:02] <+PenblooeR> No
  1974. [13:02] <+AgentJohnson> I meant there shouldn't be delete
  1975. [13:02] <@Seahorse> patrollers are a good idea but people are taking them the wrong way. They don't have the same authority that admins have, they are only supposed to be helping the admins enforcing the policies. Admins should always have final say
  1976. [13:02] <@Tigernose> Exactly
  1977. [13:02] <A7XRev> Should we vote?
  1978. [13:02] <@Tigernose> He means if there shouldn't
  1979. [13:02] <@Tigernose> no
  1980. [13:02] <@Tigernose> ug
  1981. [13:02] <+iHF> TS misused his power as patroller
  1982. [13:02] <@Tigernose> ugh
  1983. [13:03] <@Error504> !votingoff
  1984. 01[13:03] <ErrorBot> 4Voting command off
  1985. [13:03] <@Seahorse> specifically, vandalism
  1986. [13:03] <+AgentJohnson> Wait, Rollback isn't getting abolished?
  1987. [13:03] <@Tigernose> Well don't give it to him
  1988. [13:03] <+PenblooeR> TS misused his rights as everything
  1989. [13:03] <@Seahorse> nothing more
  1990. [13:03] <@Tigernose> [21:02] <Seahorse> patrollers are a good idea but people are taking them the wrong way. They don't have the same authority that admins have, they are only supposed to be helping the admins enforcing the policies. Admins should always have final say
  1991. [13:03] <@Tigernose> That's my point!
  1992. [13:03] <@Tigernose> Patrollers kept getting counted as junior sysops
  1993. [13:03] <+AgentJohnson> Yes.
  1994. [13:03] <+PenblooeR> Just make it clear for the community then
  1995. [13:03] <+PenblooeR> That's not a big problem
  1996. [13:03] <@Tigernose> All they have is a delete right
  1997. 02[13:03] * Welcome00|iPad (71d261d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.113.210.97.210) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  1998. [13:03] <@Tigernose> Keeps the load off admins
  1999. [13:03] <+iHF> Then we should select new patrollers
  2000. [13:03] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, vandalism related specifically
  2001. [13:04] <+iHF> For all wikis
  2002. [13:04] <+AgentJohnson> *sigh*To demote nearly promoted Patrollers...
  2003. [13:04] <+AgentJohnson> Eh Swissy?
  2004. [13:04] <A7XRev> Don't do that
  2005. [13:04] <@Tigernose> I personally think keep patrollers, and give them to users who focus on cv - per seahorse
  2006. [13:04] <Swiss_> Yeah?
  2007. [13:04] <@Tigernose> Not to people who want authority
  2008. [13:04] <+AgentJohnson> What about Rollback?
  2009. [13:04] <+PenblooeR> And about that extension?
  2010. [13:04] <@Tigernose> keep rollback
  2011. [13:04] <A7XRev> Keep Rollbacks
  2012. [13:04] <@Error504> yea keep rb
  2013. [13:04] <+AgentJohnson> I guess I'd get voted down.
  2014. [13:04] <Swiss_> Keep rollback.
  2015. [13:04] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, rename them "Vandal Watch" or something like that
  2016. [13:05] <+AgentJohnson> But I'm still against Rollback.
  2017. [13:05] <+PenblooeR> I think Rollbacks and Patrollers should be "merged"
  2018. [13:05] <+AgentJohnson> Same.
  2019. [13:05] <@Seahorse> so they know their job is specifcally vandalism and nothing more
  2020. [13:05] <+AgentJohnson> To the classic Patroller.
  2021. [13:05] <+iHF> Sa
  2022. [13:05] <@Tigernose> Seahorse, yeah rename it possibly
  2023. [13:05] <+AgentJohnson> Yes.
  2024. [13:05] <+iHF> Same
  2025. [13:05] <ProjectXMark1> So, shall we vote?
  2026. [13:05] <A7XRev> Should we Vote?
  2027. [13:05] <@Seahorse> just because they have the delete button doesn't mean they can just delete stuff they dont wang
  2028. [13:05] <+PenblooeR> Give a coller name than Vandal Watch
  2029. [13:05] <@Tigernose> Let's start voting. For = Fuse Patrollers Against = Keep Patrollers
  2030. [13:05] <@Seahorse> *want
  2031. [13:05] <+PenblooeR> Cooler*
  2032. [13:05] <@Tigernose> !votingon
  2033. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  2034. [13:05] <@Seahorse> only delete spam
  2035. [13:05] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  2036. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  2037. [13:05] <@Tigernose> !vote against
  2038. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted against 
  2039. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2040. [13:05] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  2041. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  2042. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2043. [13:05] <ProjectXMark1> !vote abstain
  2044. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted abstain 
  2045. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2046. [13:05] <+iHF> !vote for
  2047. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  2048. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2049. [13:05] <+AgentJohnson> !vote for
  2050. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted for 
  2051. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2052. [13:05] <@Error504> !vote against
  2053. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted against 
  2054. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2055. [13:05] <Djf1107> !vote for
  2056. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted for 
  2057. 01[13:05] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2058. [13:05] <@Seahorse> for or against what
  2059. [13:06] <@Tigernose> [21:05] <Tigernose> Let's start voting. For = Fuse Patrollers Against = Keep Patrollers
  2060. [13:06] <+PenblooeR> Tigernose Let's start voting. For = Fuse Patrollers Against = Keep Patrollers
  2061. [13:06] <A7XRev> !vote against
  2062. 01[13:06] <ErrorBot> 3 A7XRev has voted against 
  2063. 01[13:06] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2064. [13:06] <+AgentJohnson> [21:05] <@Tigernose> Let's start voting. For = Fuse Patrollers Against = Keep Patrollers
  2065. [13:06] <@Tigernose> I think some people may have got confused
  2066. [13:06] <@Error504> I prefer we not fuse them.
  2067. [13:06] <@Tigernose> Yeah
  2068. [13:06] <A7XRev> NO FUSE
  2069. [13:06] <Swiss_> Hmmm.
  2070. [13:06] <@Tigernose> Patrollers take the load off admins
  2071. [13:06] <@Error504> Similar but two different rights.
  2072. [13:06] <@Tux> !vote against
  2073. 01[13:06] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted against 
  2074. 01[13:06] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 4 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2075. [13:06] <@Tigernose> But they aren't authority
  2076. [13:06] <Djf1107> !rmvote for
  2077. 01[13:06] <ErrorBot> 4 Djf1107 has removed their vote of for 
  2078. 01[13:06] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 4 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2079. [13:06] <@Tigernose> Who keeps on abstaining for everything?
  2080. [13:06] <Swiss_> !vote against
  2081. 01[13:06] <ErrorBot> 3 Swiss_ has voted against 
  2082. 01[13:06] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 5 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2083. 03[13:06] * Shrimp (46f6139a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.246.19.154) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  2084. [13:06] <Shrimp> Wow
  2085. [13:06] <+AgentJohnson> I say end vote. From someone who voted for.
  2086. [13:07] <@Tigernose> Wait
  2087. [13:07] <@Tigernose> amptx
  2088. [13:07] <Djf1107> !vote against
  2089. 01[13:07] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted against 
  2090. 01[13:07] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 6 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2091. [13:07] <@Tigernose> Hello?
  2092. [13:07] <ProjectXMark1> I just abstained because I had no idea what was going on.
  2093. [13:07] <@Seahorse> !vote against
  2094. 01[13:07] <ErrorBot> 3 Seahorse has voted against 
  2095. 01[13:07] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 7 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  2096. [13:07] <@Tigernose> [21:05] <Tigernose> Let's start voting. For = Fuse Patrollers Against = Keep Patrollers
  2097. [13:07] <+PenblooeR> No nothing will change?
  2098. [13:07] <@Tigernose> It's as simple as that
  2099. [13:07] <+PenblooeR> So*
  2100. [13:07] <@Tigernose> Well
  2101. [13:07] <@Tigernose> We may rename Patrollers
  2102. [13:07] <+iHF> Nothing changes
  2103. [13:07] <+PenblooeR> Why?
  2104. [13:07] <A7XRev> YES
  2105. [13:07] <@Tigernose> And we're emphasising they are not junior admins
  2106. [13:07] <+AgentJohnson> Wait, do Patrollers still have delete?
  2107. [13:07] <@Tigernose> Yes
  2108. [13:07] <+PenblooeR> Is that such a big problem?...
  2109. [13:07] <+iHF> We will reselect patrollers on Fanon
  2110. [13:07] <+AgentJohnson> [21:07] <+AgentJohnson> Wait, do Patrollers still have delete?
  2111. [13:08] <@Tigernose> So no giving TS it
  2112. [13:08] <+iHF> Yes
  2113. [13:08] <@Tigernose> He just craves power and he has that with delete
  2114. [13:08] <+AgentJohnson> Unofficial TS clause?
  2115. [13:08] <+iHF> Tgey will go through RfA
  2116. [13:08] <@Tigernose> They do AJ
  2117. [13:08] <+AgentJohnson> Ok.
  2118. [13:08] <Djf1107> Give me
  2119. [13:08] <@Tigernose> So here's the verdict
  2120. [13:08] <+PenblooeR> Will the patroller right stay abolished on CPW?
  2121. [13:08] <@Seahorse> or just promote them the same way we currently promote rollbacks
  2122. [13:08] <Swiss_> Gtg
  2123. [13:08] <@Seahorse> they request it and we have to confirm it
  2124. 02[13:08] * Swiss_ (630569b1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.5.105.177) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  2125. [13:08] <@Tigernose> Keeping Patrollers | Possibly renamed | They aren't junior-admins | Give them to people who focus on counter-vandalism
  2126. [13:08] <+AgentJohnson> Bye Swiss.
  2127. [13:09] <+AgentJohnson> In favour.
  2128. [13:09] <@Tigernose> Can we take a 5 minute break?
  2129. [13:09] <amptx> OK
  2130. [13:09] <ProjectXMark1> Bye swiss..
  2131. [13:09] <amptx> back after a long time gone
  2132. [13:09] <@Tigernose> We've been here for two hours now
  2133. [13:09] <@Error504> Yea I'd appreciate it.
  2134. [13:09] <+PenblooeR> Rollback is more counter-vandalism than Patroller, imo
  2135. [13:09] <+AgentJohnson> Can we just do the final vote?
  2136. [13:09] <@Tigernose> The next on is a big one
  2137. [13:09] <+AgentJohnson> Yes
  2138. [13:09] <+AgentJohnson> Break.
  2139. [13:09] <amptx> What we voting for?
  2140. [13:09] <@Seahorse> its already been decided
  2141. [13:09] <+iHF> Which is?
  2142. [13:09] <+AgentJohnson> *sigh*Network Council*sigh*
  2143. [13:09] <@Tigernose> Alright we're coming back in 5 minutex
  2144. [13:09] <amptx> next thing that is
  2145. [13:09] <@Tigernose> Get out of the chair, do some exercise - go toilet :P
  2146. [13:09] <@Error504> ok
  2147. [13:09] <+PenblooeR> (9) Formation of a network council
  2148. [13:09] <ProjectXMark1> Ok! Five min break!
  2149. [13:09] <@Tigernose> I'll prepare meanwhilke
  2150. [13:09] <@Seahorse> amptx, whether to keep patrollers or to dispose of them
  2151. [13:09] <+AgentJohnson> Haven't done my daily workout - oops
  2152. 03[13:09] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (9) Formation of a network council'
  2153. [13:10] <@Tigernose> It will require a bit of a discussion on how it will work (i.e. number of reps), but I've noticed that there are some off-wiki or global discussion topics posted above, so I think it would be a good idea to form another council that covers all wikis, and not specifically the CPW. --Error504 20:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  2154. [13:10] <@Tigernose> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council#.289.29_Formation_of_a_network_council
  2155. 02[13:10] * AeroNachos (461aad6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.26.173.107) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  2156. [13:10] <+AgentJohnson> Well, my food is nearly ready.
  2157. [13:10] <@Seahorse> it kind of already has become a network council, Tigernose
  2158. [13:10] <+AgentJohnson> I do want some input into this.
  2159. [13:10] <+iHF> Yeah
  2160. [13:10] <+AgentJohnson> Yeah.
  2161. [13:10] <+AgentJohnson> BUT. I
  2162. [13:10] <@Seahorse> we just decided that we should add cpfw staffers
  2163. [13:10] <+iHF> Be back soon
  2164. [13:11] <+AgentJohnson> Individual Wiki Councils.
  2165. [13:11] <@Seahorse> that certainly isn't cpw policy
  2166. [13:11] <@Error504> I think it's pretty much discussed in an earlier topic already.
  2167. [13:11] <@Seahorse> remember when the cpfw and cpw hated eachother?
  2168. [13:11] <Djf1107> !clearvotes
  2169. 01[13:11] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  2170. [13:11] <+AgentJohnson> Never again Seahorse.
  2171. [13:11] <@Tigernose> Wait
  2172. [13:11] <@Error504> !votingoff
  2173. 01[13:11] <ErrorBot> 4Voting command off
  2174. [13:11] <@Seahorse> now we are allies and fighting wikia together
  2175. [13:11] <@Tigernose> We're still on break :P
  2176. [13:12] <+AgentJohnson> It's not a war.
  2177. [13:12] <@Seahorse> I know
  2178. [13:12] <+AgentJohnson> It's a split.
  2179. [13:12] <+AgentJohnson> One that's ended.
  2180. [13:12] <@Tigernose> Alright
  2181. [13:12] <+AgentJohnson> Still, it's a laugh to troll them sometimes.
  2182. [13:12] <+PenblooeR> Back
  2183. [13:12] <@Tigernose> Current suggestions regarding the topic are:
  2184. [13:12] <+AgentJohnson> Brb
  2185. [13:12] <@Tigernose> *all councils focus here
  2186. [13:12] <@Tigernose> *separate councils for each wiki
  2187. [13:12] <@Tigernose> *separate councils and one network-wide council
  2188. [13:12] <@Seahorse> well the old cpw has me enraged and they are going to pay for what they just did
  2189. [13:12] <@Tigernose> *just a cpw and network wide council
  2190. [13:12] <+PenblooeR> I think it's not needed
  2191. [13:13] <@Tux> Seahorse, PM
  2192. [13:13] <@Seahorse> they thought it would be funny to demote me a year later
  2193. [13:13] <ProjectXMark1> I choose the third one.
  2194. [13:13] <@Tux> me with that
  2195. [13:13] <@Tux> nvm
  2196. [13:13] <@Tux> Yes
  2197. [13:13] <@Tux> I want to troll them hard
  2198. [13:13] <@Seahorse> wikia staff/helpers/whatever pricks
  2199. [13:13] <@Tigernose> You guys still want a break
  2200. [13:13] <+PenblooeR> I think we can have just one network-wide council, like the one we're holding tiday
  2201. [13:13] <@Tigernose> I don't mind either way
  2202. [13:13] <+PenblooeR> today*
  2203. [13:13] <A7XRev> What do you mean by Network Council?
  2204. [13:13] <@Error504> !votingon
  2205. [13:13] <Shrimp> I missed almost the entire council meeting :\
  2206. [13:13] <@Error504> darn screwed it up
  2207. [13:14] <@Tux> Seahorse, I want to make them obey Webmasterism forever
  2208. [13:14] <+PenblooeR> lol
  2209. [13:14] <@Error504> I'll deal with the bot after council.
  2210. [13:14] <@Error504> !votingon
  2211. 01[13:14] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  2212. [13:14] <A7XRev> Should we vandilize the old wiki?
  2213. [13:14] <@Error504> !votingoff
  2214. 01[13:14] <ErrorBot> 4Voting command off
  2215. [13:14] <@Tigernose> How do you do a global notice again?
  2216. [13:14] <@Tux> No.
  2217. [13:14] <@Error504> A7XRev, not the time for that
  2218. [13:14] <A7XRev> JK JK
  2219. [13:14] <@Tux> Tigernose, !globalnotice
  2220. [13:14] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, halt this for a second
  2221. [13:14] <@Tigernose> !globalnotice get back here :P
  2222. [13:14] <@Seahorse> Shrimp, you need to decide whether you want to stay with old wiki or us
  2223. [13:14] <+PenblooeR> Someone make an account there, gain their trust, become a bureeaucrat and then use your rights to mess everything up.
  2224. [13:14] <@Tigernose> aww
  2225. [13:14] <@Tigernose> that didn't work
  2226. [13:15] <@Tux> Seahorse and I can handle that.
  2227. [13:15] <@Error504> Shrimp, it's only 1/2 the meeting pretty much
  2228. [13:15] <A7XRev> whoops
  2229. [13:15] <@Tigernose> Can I at least know how to do it?
  2230. [13:15] <Djf1107> !voting on
  2231. [13:15] <@Tux> We've got webmasterism written.
  2232. [13:15] <+PenblooeR> "Shrimp, you need to decide whether you want to stay with old wiki or us" - Second.
  2233. [13:15] <Djf1107> !votingon
  2234. 01[13:15] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  2235. [13:15] <@Tigernose> !votingoff please
  2236. 01[13:15] <ErrorBot> 4Voting command off
  2237. [13:15] <@Error504> Djf1107, stop.
  2238. [13:15] <@Tigernose> ffs
  2239. [13:15] <Shrimp> Ok
  2240. [13:15] <@Tigernose> last warning
  2241. [13:15] <Djf1107> Sorry
  2242. [13:15] <ProjectXMark1> !voting
  2243. [13:15] <@Tux> 9_9
  2244. [13:15] <Shrimp> It's complicated though
  2245. [13:16] <@Tigernose> Tux, global notice everyone to get back
  2246. [13:16] <@Error504> I tried adding an nick isop thing earlier but failed.
  2247. [13:16] <@Error504> I'll add it after the council.
  2248. [13:16] <+iHF> AgentJohnson Error504 if i leave could you take care of partership?
  2249. 05[13:16] -CPWNBot:#clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil- 4CPWN GLOBAL NOTICE (From Tux): 14Please return to #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  2250. [13:16] <@Tux> k
  2251. [13:16] <@Error504> sure.
  2252. [13:16] <+iHF> Battery is low
  2253. [13:16] <Djf1107> !globalnotice big vote
  2254. [13:17] <@Tigernose> I told you not to do that
  2255. [13:17] <@Error504> anything specifically you want us to say though?
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  2257. [13:17] <@Error504> iHF
  2258. 03[13:17] * ChanServ sets mode: +v NickelbackFan37
  2259. [13:17] <@Tigernose> Don't use any commands Djf
  2260. [13:17] <+PenblooeR> Oh god, there are still 6 topics left to discuss
  2261. [13:17] <@Tux> k
  2262. [13:17] <@Tigernose> We'll get through quickly
  2263. [13:17] <Djf1107> Ok
  2264. [13:17] <+NickelbackFan37> I'm here.
  2265. [13:17] <Djf1107> I like pie
  2266. [13:17] <+iHF> Just say we already have 1 partner
  2267. [13:17] <@Tigernose> [21:12] <Tigernose> Current suggestions regarding the topic are:
  2268. [13:17] <+PenblooeR> I like trains
  2269. [13:17] <@Tigernose> [21:12] <Tigernose> *all councils focus here
  2270. [13:17] <@Tigernose> [21:12] <Tigernose> *separate councils for each wiki
  2271. [13:17] <@Tigernose> [21:12] <Tigernose> *separate councils and one network-wide council
  2272. [13:17] <@Tigernose> [21:12] <Tigernose> *just a cpw and network wide council
  2273. [13:17] <+iHF> And we wantCPW to participate
  2274. [13:17] <@Tigernose> It will require a bit of a discussion on how it will work (i.e. number of reps), but I've noticed that there are some off-wiki or global discussion topics posted above, so I think it would be a good idea to form another council that covers all wikis, and not specifically the CPW. --Error50420:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  2275. [13:17] <+PenblooeR> I vote for #1
  2276. [13:17] <+iHF> Error504:
  2277. [13:18] <ProjectXMark1> I vote for number 3!
  2278. [13:18] <@Error504> #3.
  2279. [13:18] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, whether or not the cpfw has one is up for them to decide
  2280. [13:18] <@Seahorse> not us
  2281. [13:18] <Djf1107> 2
  2282. [13:18] <@Tigernose> Problem with having separate councils is
  2283. [13:18] <@Error504> It's too long.
  2284. [13:18] <@Tigernose> Changes might happen in the cpfw
  2285. [13:18] <+iHF> We're forming one
  2286. [13:18] <@Error504> the meetings.
  2287. [13:18] <@Seahorse> we just decide if there should be a cpw one/global
  2288. [13:18] <@Tigernose> That CPW are not informed about
  2289. [13:18] <Shrimp> #3
  2290. [13:18] <A7XRev> GTG
  2291. [13:18] <@Tigernose> It's easier to keep everything under tabs with a single council
  2292. [13:18] <+NickelbackFan37> Uh, what?
  2293. [13:18] <A7XRev> Got to go
  2294. [13:18] <+NickelbackFan37> I know
  2295. [13:18] <@Tigernose> ok
  2296. [13:18] <@Seahorse> I prefer just a single global one
  2297. [13:18] <A7XRev> Bye
  2298. [13:19] <+NickelbackFan37> not talking to you
  2299. [13:19] <@Tigernose> I agree with Seahorse
  2300. [13:19] <+PenblooeR> What happens in CPFW isn't of CPW's concern. It's the staff's concern, and that's why I keep saying they need to be active there
  2301. 02[13:19] * A7XRev (18fb15ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.251.21.171) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  2302. [13:19] <ProjectXMark1> Actually, #1
  2303. [13:19] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, but I also want to keep the cpw one for othe rreasons
  2304. [13:19] <@Seahorse> *reasons
  2305. [13:19] <+NickelbackFan37> I was only wondering what the discussion is about.
  2306. [13:19] <@Tigernose> Seahorse, I agree
  2307. [13:19] <@Error504> so #4?
  2308. [13:19] <@Seahorse> but it will ONLY be used to decide cpw policy
  2309. [13:19] <@Tigernose> I think #4
  2310. [13:19] <+NickelbackFan37> since I just got back here.
  2311. [13:19] <ProjectXMark1> No, #3
  2312. [13:19] <+PenblooeR> NBF: the topic.
  2313. [13:19] <@Tigernose> Yes, Seahorse
  2314. [13:19] <@Error504> I don't mind 3 or 4.
  2315. [13:19] <@Tigernose> Maybe after time
  2316. [13:19] <@Tigernose> We can see if a Fanon council is necessary
  2317. [13:19] <+PenblooeR> I changed my mind, #4
  2318. [13:19] <@Error504> no to 1 and 2
  2319. [13:19] <@Tigernose> I think going with #4 for now is good
  2320. [13:19] <ProjectXMark1> I think it is.
  2321. [13:20] <ProjectXMark1> ¬_¬
  2322. [13:20] <+NickelbackFan37> #4.
  2323. [13:20] <@Tigernose> Why, Project?
  2324. [13:20] <@Error504> is a vote necessary?
  2325. [13:20] <@Tigernose> Yes
  2326. [13:20] <+PenblooeR> Then you can organize one
  2327. [13:20] <@Tigernose> What do you have to say about it Project?
  2328. [13:20] <ProjectXMark1> About what?
  2329. [13:20] <@Tigernose> About Fanon keeping council
  2330. [13:20] <@Tigernose> Why
  2331. [13:21] <@Seahorse> I like #3, global council will decide network policy, then the 2 separate councils will only decide local wiki policy that does not affect any other wikis
  2332. [13:21] <@Tigernose> Problem is Seahorse
  2333. [13:21] <@Tigernose> It could affect other wikis
  2334. [13:21] <@Tigernose> It's easier for Staff to keep tabs with #4
  2335. [13:21] <+PenblooeR> I think the CPFW needs to decide if they will have council meetings, not us
  2336. [13:21] <@Tigernose> Otherwise Staff would probably have to go to each council
  2337. [13:21] <ProjectXMark1> I would like to make a suggestion.
  2338. [13:21] <@Seahorse> Tigernose, they could also start a Forum:Vote that affects the cpw
  2339. [13:21] <@Error504> agree with Pen.
  2340. [13:21] <+iHF> PenblooeR: We could organize
  2341. 02[13:21] * Djf1107 (424df0c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.77.240.198) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  2342. [13:22] <+NickelbackFan37> agreed as well
  2343. [13:22] <Shrimp> I wish the old wiki would just magically shut down
  2344. [13:22] <ProjectXMark1> I would like to make a suggestion.
  2345. [13:22] <@Tigernose> Yes Project?
  2346. [13:22] <@Tigernose> Make it lol
  2347. [13:22] <@Error504> Global council should only deal with network-wide business.
  2348. [13:22] <@Seahorse> if they decide on something we feel affects us, we can always strike it down
  2349. [13:22] <+iHF> Shrimp: are you shrimpin from Wikia?
  2350. [13:22] <@Tux> yes
  2351. [13:22] <Shrimp> Yes, iHF
  2352. [13:22] <@Tux> he is
  2353. [13:22] <@Error504> nothing that has to focus on one individual wiki.
  2354. [13:22] <+iHF> Could you
  2355. [13:22] <+iHF> Unban me?
  2356. [13:22] <@Tigernose> Project
  2357. [13:22] <ProjectXMark1> Would it be possible to have something like the British/American way of passing laws?
  2358. [13:22] <+iHF> :P
  2359. [13:22] <@Tigernose> What do you mean?
  2360. [13:23] <Shrimp> What are you wanting to do there?
  2361. [13:23] <@Tux> ProjectXMark1, too much bureaucracy
  2362. [13:23] <Shrimp> Why are you banned?
  2363. [13:23] <+iHF> Apparently i spammed chat
  2364. [13:23] <+PenblooeR> Personally, I don't think a CPFW council is needed for now
  2365. [13:23] <@Tigernose> Here's what I think
  2366. [13:23] <+iHF> When we grow bigger
  2367. [13:23] <@Tigernose> #4 for now
  2368. [13:23] <ProjectXMark1> Nevermind.
  2369. [13:23] <@Tigernose> If a CPFW council is needed
  2370. [13:23] <Shrimp> Oh
  2371. [13:23] <+iHF> In terms of users
  2372. [13:23] <+NickelbackFan37> Agreed.
  2373. [13:23] <@Seahorse> ProjectXMark1, we are too small
  2374. [13:23] <ProjectXMark1> I'm happy with 4.
  2375. [13:23] <@Tigernose> Then we'll go ahead
  2376. [13:23] <Shrimp> iHF, what is your username?
  2377. [13:23] <+NickelbackFan37> I'm fine with #4
  2378. [13:23] <+iHF> Happyface414
  2379. [13:23] <@Tux> Happyface414
  2380. [13:23] <@Error504> Let's have a vote on #4?
  2381. [13:23] <+AgentJohnson> Back
  2382. [13:24] <+PenblooeR> #4 for me as well
  2383. [13:24] <Shrimp> Ok
  2384. [13:24] <+AgentJohnson> Seriously?
  2385. [13:24] <@Seahorse> #4
  2386. [13:24] <Shrimp> I guess #4
  2387. [13:24] <+AgentJohnson> Still discussing this?
  2388. [13:24] <@Tigernose> Problem with having CPFW council too early is
  2389. [13:24] <@Tux> yes, 4
  2390. [13:24] <@Tigernose> harder to staff to keep tabs off
  2391. [13:24] <@Error504> !votingon
  2392. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  2393. [13:24] <+AgentJohnson> Hey someone PM me.
  2394. [13:24] <ProjectXMark1> Despite me prefering #3, I think #4 is my second choice.
  2395. [13:24] <@Tigernose> Without attending it every time too
  2396. [13:24] <@Tigernose> Let's vote
  2397. [13:24] <+AgentJohnson> Give me the basic?
  2398. [13:24] <@Tigernose> Wait
  2399. [13:24] <@Tigernose> For = #4
  2400. [13:24] <+iHF> Well we'll have Fanon staff
  2401. [13:24] <@Tigernose> Against = #3
  2402. [13:24] <@Tigernose> Abstain = #1 or #2
  2403. [13:24] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  2404. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  2405. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2406. [13:24] <+NickelbackFan37> !for
  2407. [13:24] <@Error504> !vote for
  2408. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  2409. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2410. [13:24] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  2411. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  2412. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2413. [13:24] <@Seahorse> I need to go
  2414. [13:24] <+AgentJohnson> Please can I have a PM?
  2415. [13:24] <+PenblooeR> Bye
  2416. [13:24] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote for
  2417. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted for 
  2418. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2419. [13:24] <@Tigernose> Okay, see you Seahorse
  2420. [13:24] <+iHF> !vote for
  2421. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  2422. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2423. [13:24] <+AgentJohnson> On what they mean
  2424. [13:24] <Shrimp> !vote for
  2425. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3 Shrimp has voted for 
  2426. 01[13:24] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2427. [13:25] <@Tux> !vote for
  2428. 01[13:25] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  2429. 01[13:25] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2430. [13:25] <+AgentJohnson> Bye Seahorse
  2431. [13:25] <ProjectXMark1> !vote for
  2432. 01[13:25] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted for 
  2433. 01[13:25] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 8 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2434. [13:25] <+iHF> AgentJohnson: Just dont vote
  2435. [13:25] <@Seahorse> im going out with friends, bye
  2436. [13:25] <@Tigernose> One sec
  2437. [13:25] <@Tigernose> Let me tell AJ
  2438. [13:25] <@Seahorse> keep a log for me please
  2439. [13:25] <+NickelbackFan37> okay.
  2440. [13:25] <@Error504> Seahorse, I will
  2441. [13:25] <Shrimp> Bye Sea
  2442. [13:25] <@Seahorse> thanks
  2443. [13:25] <+NickelbackFan37> bye.
  2444. [13:25] <@Tux> k
  2445. [13:25] <@Seahorse> also I would like to vote on some of the things later if I don't agree with the outcome
  2446. 02[13:25] * @Seahorse (~Seahorse@wikipedia/Seahorseruler) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901])
  2447. [13:25] <@Tigernose> Error, I'll make a summary after the meeting
  2448. [13:25] <@Error504> okay.
  2449. [13:26] <@Error504> I'll have the logs posted.
  2450. [13:26] <+iHF> #3 wins?
  2451. [13:26] <@Tigernose> #4 wins
  2452. [13:26] <ProjectXMark1> Ok, I think #4 has most definatly won.
  2453. [13:26] <+iHF> Oh right
  2454. [13:26] <+iHF> Derped out
  2455. [13:26] <@Error504> 8-0
  2456. [13:26] <@Tigernose> Is everyone clear about what is what?
  2457. [13:26] <@Error504> !clearvotes
  2458. 01[13:26] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  2459. [13:26] <ProjectXMark1> This time I'm not jumping to conlusions.
  2460. [13:26] <+AgentJohnson> Is 4 = [21:25] <Tigernose> [21:17] <Tigernose> [21:12] <Tigernose> *just a cpw and network wide council
  2461. [13:26] <+PenblooeR> Yes
  2462. [13:26] <@Tigernose> yes
  2463. [13:26] <+AgentJohnson> Ok.
  2464. [13:26] <@Tigernose> Here's one
  2465. [13:26] <+iHF> Yessum
  2466. [13:26] <+PenblooeR> The fanon admins will decide if a fanon council is needed
  2467. 03[13:26] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (10) Abolish UNCPW'
  2468. [13:26] <@Tigernose> One sec
  2469. [13:27] <@Tigernose> Don't message anything right now
  2470. [13:27] <@Tigernose> I think I stand for myself and many other users when I say this wiki should go in the dumpster. (Or at least to Tropicalwikis). Also, there are only 3 people who visit the wiki anymore. Unknown, Iamred, and Tux, who just posts his many desktops. Also, the graphics and templates are horrible, there are lots of red links, swears and inappropriate content line the articles, Racism is everywhere, and
  2471. [13:27] <@Tigernose> the articles are outdated. Also, it insults other wikis in the network, and it's barely advertised. (I'm not saying we should advertise it. Oh no.) Also, it just doesn't conform to something that should be in the CPWN. --Broseph16 No guts, No glory! 22:17, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  2472. [13:27] <@Tigernose> Okay go
  2473. [13:27] <@Tigernose> :P
  2474. [13:27] <@Tigernose> Actually wait
  2475. [13:27] <ProjectXMark1> Right.
  2476. [13:27] <@Tux> k
  2477. [13:27] <@Error504> Bro16 isn't here.
  2478. [13:27] <+iHF> Inactive
  2479. [13:27] <@Tigernose> Here's a list of suggestions
  2480. [13:27] <@Tigernose> * throw in trash can
  2481. [13:27] <@Tigernose> * move to wikia
  2482. [13:27] <+iHF> Move it to wikia
  2483. [13:27] <@Tigernose> * move to tropical wikis
  2484. [13:27] <@Tigernose> any more else?
  2485. [13:27] <+PenblooeR> Move to wikia
  2486. [13:27] <+iHF> Or tropical
  2487. [13:27] <ProjectXMark1> What do the three imply?
  2488. [13:27] <+PenblooeR> I'll brb
  2489. [13:27] <+NickelbackFan37> Move to Wikia.
  2490. [13:27] <+AgentJohnson> TropicalWiki.
  2491. 03[13:27] * PenblooeR is now known as PBR|Away
  2492. [13:27] <@Error504> 3.
  2493. [13:28] <+AgentJohnson> Or I can revive it.
  2494. [13:28] <@Tigernose> Any others?
  2495. [13:28] <+AgentJohnson> Make it on the lines of Uncyclopedia.
  2496. [13:28] <@Tigernose> *keep in CPWN (not adveritsed)
  2497. [13:28] <+iHF> AgentJohnson: You can revive
  2498. [13:28] <@Tigernose> *keep in CPWN (advertised)
  2499. [13:28] <Shrimp> 1.
  2500. [13:28] <+iHF> It on wikia
  2501. [13:28] <+AgentJohnson> Me and Unknown were discussing it.
  2502. [13:28] <@Tigernose> I'll make it clear this time
  2503. [13:28] <+AgentJohnson> Fanon won't advertise it.
  2504. [13:28] <@Tigernose> Don't message so the suggestions are together please
  2505. [13:28] <ProjectXMark1> What does moving it to TropicalWikis mean?
  2506. [13:28] <@Tigernose> *Throw in trash can
  2507. [13:28] <@Tigernose> *Move to Wikia
  2508. [13:28] <+AgentJohnson> It'll go Tux's host
  2509. [13:28] <@Tigernose> *Move to Tropical Wikis
  2510. [13:28] <@Tigernose> *Keep at CPWN (not advertise)
  2511. [13:28] <@Tigernose> *Keep at CPWN (advertised)
  2512. [13:28] <@Tigernose> ok go :P
  2513. [13:29] <Shrimp> lol
  2514. [13:29] <+iHF> 1 or 2
  2515. [13:29] <ProjectXMark1> Ok!
  2516. [13:29] <@Tux> Umm...
  2517. [13:29] <+AgentJohnson> Keep at CWN (not advertised)
  2518. [13:29] <@Tigernose> I say 2 or 3
  2519. [13:29] <+AgentJohnson> CPWN*
  2520. [13:29] <Shrimp> 1
  2521. [13:29] <ProjectXMark1> #4
  2522. [13:29] <Shrimp> Trash it
  2523. [13:29] <+NickelbackFan37> I changed my mind. Move to TW or keep at CPWN (unadvertised).
  2524. [13:29] <+AgentJohnson> There is still important content.
  2525. [13:29] <@Tigernose> I used to be a fan of the UNCPW, as I did find it quite funny. But you are right. It is inactive. Even if it it was active, it has got nothing to do with the Club Penguin Wiki. Most of the jokes are irrelevant to the CPW, and it isn't right to affiliate ourselves with a mature wiki when our network revolves around a kids game. Even if it does manage to become active again, it has no place in...
  2526. [13:29] <@Error504> #3
  2527. [13:29] <@Tigernose> ...the CPWN - which should aim towards the game's target audience. --Tigernose Talk • Contribs 22:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
  2528. [13:29] <+AgentJohnson> That people have worked hard.
  2529. [13:29] <@Tux> I'd like to add another option
  2530. [13:29] <@Tigernose> Yeah Tux?
  2531. [13:29] <@Tux> #6 Move to another wiki host (non-Wikia/TW/CPWN)
  2532. [13:29] <@Tigernose> ok
  2533. [13:30] <+iHF> CPWN is a kid friendly network
  2534. [13:30] <Shrimp> Exactly
  2535. [13:30] <+NickelbackFan37> yep
  2536. [13:30] <+iHF> Uncp doesnt belong
  2537. [13:30] <Shrimp> Not on the CPWN
  2538. [13:30] <ProjectXMark1> Good point Happy.
  2539. [13:30] <Shrimp> You're right
  2540. [13:30] <@Tigernose> I personally think UNCPW has some funny stuff - it shouldn't be thrown away
  2541. [13:30] <+AgentJohnson> People have worked hard.
  2542. [13:30] <@Error504> TW - we still have control over it.
  2543. [13:30] <ProjectXMark1> #1
  2544. [13:30] <@Tigernose> But it doesn't belong on the CPWN
  2545. [13:30] <+AgentJohnson> And most of is stupid.
  2546. [13:30] <Shrimp> Yes
  2547. [13:30] <+AgentJohnson> That should bd deleted.
  2548. [13:30] <+AgentJohnson> The funny stuff should be kept.
  2549. [13:30] <@Tigernose> With tropical wikis we have control, with wikia - we are unassociated
  2550. [13:30] <ProjectXMark1> Keel dah slander!
  2551. [13:30] <+AgentJohnson> Stuff with rape and swears on every line should be deleted.
  2552. [13:30] <@Tigernose> they have more traffic though
  2553. [13:30] <Shrimp> Yes
  2554. [13:30] <Shrimp> Leave the clean, funny stuff
  2555. [13:30] <+iHF> Tropicalwiki move
  2556. [13:31] <@Tigernose> Yeah funny > offensive
  2557. [13:31] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  2558. [13:31] <+AgentJohnson> But I maintain that it should be unadvertised on CPWN.
  2559. [13:31] <@Tigernose> Let's narrow it down for the final vote
  2560. [13:31] <ProjectXMark1> Ok then,
  2561. [13:31] <@Tux> I vote to redefine UnCP
  2562. [13:31] <@Tigernose> Should we get rid of #4 and #5?
  2563. [13:31] <+iHF> Yes
  2564. [13:31] <+AgentJohnson> I still have a point
  2565. [13:31] <+AgentJohnson> WAIR
  2566. [13:31] <+AgentJohnson> WAIT*
  2567. [13:31] <@Tigernose> Go on
  2568. [13:31] <+AgentJohnson> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Uncyclopedia:How_To_Be_Funny_And_Not_Just_Stupid
  2569. [13:31] <+AgentJohnson> This,
  2570. [13:31] <+iHF> Not advertisingn it is stupid
  2571. [13:31] <+AgentJohnson> UNCPW should be more on the lines of this.
  2572. [13:32] <+AgentJohnson> If I revive it.
  2573. 02[13:32] * amptx (~ampharos@fctnnbsc30w-156034231240.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nb.bellaliant.net) Quit (Quit: leaving)
  2574. [13:32] <+AgentJohnson> Continue.
  2575. [13:32] <+iHF> Advertising scares kids
  2576. [13:32] <@Tigernose> AJ, exactly
  2577. [13:32] <+AgentJohnson> [21:32] <+iHF> Advertising scares kids - wot?
  2578. [13:32] <+iHF> Wikia is dangerous
  2579. [13:32] <@Tigernose> But it should be revived off CPWN
  2580. [13:32] <+iHF> Srry
  2581. [13:32] <+AgentJohnson> Very well.
  2582. [13:32] <Shrimp> Who is AJ, may I ask?
  2583. [13:32] <Shrimp> Fork?
  2584. [13:32] <@Tux> Sure.
  2585. [13:32] <+iHF> Lazy to type full sentences
  2586. [13:32] <@Tigernose> Agent_Johnson
  2587. [13:32] <Shrimp> Oh, a user?
  2588. [13:32] <@Tigernose> yh
  2589. [13:32] <@Tux> Condition 2 is be different than what existed
  2590. [13:32] <+AgentJohnson> Agent Johnson, Fanon Admin
  2591. [13:32] <+iHF> AgentJohnson: if it is revived it can be moved back
  2592. [13:32] <Shrimp> I've been gone for a while :S
  2593. [13:33] <+AgentJohnson> That is what I would like.
  2594. [13:33] <ProjectXMark1> Revive it on tropicalwikis.
  2595. [13:33] <@Tigernose> I don't think it should be thrown away?
  2596. [13:33] <+NickelbackFan37> oh fyi, I preferred to be called Mocha.
  2597. [13:33] <@Tigernose> I think as the CPWN
  2598. [13:33] <ProjectXMark1> #3
  2599. [13:33] <@Error504> I think TW is our best option.
  2600. [13:33] <+AgentJohnson> Same.
  2601. [13:33] <+iHF> Easier to revive off the CPWN
  2602. [13:33] <@Tigernose> We should cut all ties with UNCPW
  2603. [13:33] <+NickelbackFan37> agreed.
  2604. [13:33] <@Tigernose> I personally think #3
  2605. [13:33] <+AgentJohnson> But if it's not revived, Tropical.
  2606. [13:33] <+NickelbackFan37> on the TW part.
  2607. [13:33] <+AgentJohnson> Even deleted.
  2608. [13:33] <+iHF> Begone!!!
  2609. [13:33] <@Tux> k
  2610. [13:33] <Shrimp> TW
  2611. [13:33] <+NickelbackFan37> TW.
  2612. [13:33] <ProjectXMark1> TW
  2613. [13:33] <@Error504> should we vote on options now?
  2614. [13:33] <@Error504> [01:28:38 PM] Tigernose *Throw in trash can
  2615. [13:33] <Shrimp> Yes
  2616. [13:33] <@Error504> [01:28:41 PM] Tigernose *Move to Wikia
  2617. [13:33] <@Error504> [01:28:45 PM] Tigernose *Move to Tropical Wikis
  2618. [13:33] <@Error504> [01:28:51 PM] Tigernose *Keep at CPWN (not advertise)
  2619. [13:33] <@Error504> [01:28:56 PM] Tigernose *Keep at CPWN (advertised)
  2620. [13:34] <@Error504> [01:29:49 PM] Tux #6 Move to another wiki host (non-Wikia/TW/CPWN)
  2621. [13:34] <@Tigernose> We need to narrow down to 3 options
  2622. [13:34] <@Tigernose> I think
  2623. [13:34] <ProjectXMark1> Yes.
  2624. [13:34] <Shrimp> Yes
  2625. [13:34] <+iHF> 2 3 6
  2626. [13:34] <+NickelbackFan37> Yea
  2627. [13:34] <+AgentJohnson> CPWN (n-ad), Tropical, Wikia
  2628. [13:34] <@Tigernose> #3 #4 #5
  2629. [13:34] <@Tux> Remove #2 and #4
  2630. [13:34] <@Tigernose> why #4
  2631. [13:34] <@Error504> 3 4 5 agreed.
  2632. [13:34] <ProjectXMark1> 1,2,3.
  2633. [13:34] <+AgentJohnson> 123
  2634. [13:34] <@Tigernose> It shouldn't be advertised
  2635. [13:34] <+NickelbackFan37> 3 and 4 agreed.
  2636. [13:34] <@Tigernose> In fact we said that when we moved
  2637. [13:34] <+AgentJohnson> Agreed with Tigernose.
  2638. [13:34] <@Tigernose> UNCPW will not be advertised as part of the network
  2639. [13:35] <@Tux> 3,4,5
  2640. [13:35] <ProjectXMark1> 3,4,1.
  2641. [13:35] <+AgentJohnson> So it won't be on the main site?
  2642. [13:35] <@Tigernose> 1 isn't a n option
  2643. [13:35] <Shrimp> Good riddance
  2644. [13:35] <+AgentJohnson> Will there still be links?
  2645. [13:35] <@Tigernose> It has good material
  2646. [13:35] <@Error504> We're gonna keep it within our control
  2647. [13:35] <ProjectXMark1> Very well.
  2648. [13:35] <@Tigernose> AJ, by users yes
  2649. [13:35] <@Error504> 3 is move to TW
  2650. [13:35] <@Error504> 4 is to not advertise
  2651. [13:35] <@Tigernose> Not by the network
  2652. [13:35] <@Error504> 5 is to leave it the way it is
  2653. [13:35] <@Tigernose> Alright
  2654. [13:35] <ProjectXMark1> 3,4,6
  2655. [13:35] <@Tigernose> FOR = 3 AGAINST = 4 ABSTAIN = 5 (no advertising
  2656. [13:36] <@Tigernose> Let's vote
  2657. [13:36] <@Tigernose> !votingon
  2658. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  2659. [13:36] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  2660. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  2661. [13:36] <@Tigernose> !vote 3
  2662. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted 3 
  2663. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2664. [13:36] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  2665. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  2666. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2667. [13:36] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote for
  2668. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted for 
  2669. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2670. [13:36] <Shrimp> !vote for
  2671. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Shrimp has voted for 
  2672. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2673. [13:36] <@Error504> !vote for
  2674. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  2675. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2676. [13:36] <+AgentJohnson> !vote against
  2677. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted against 
  2678. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2679. [13:36] <ProjectXMark1> !vote for
  2680. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3 ProjectXMark1 has voted for 
  2681. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2682. [13:36] <@Tux> !vote for
  2683. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  2684. 01[13:36] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2685. [13:36] <@Tigernose> wait a sec
  2686. [13:36] <@Tigernose> We got the options wrong
  2687. [13:36] <@Tux> ...
  2688. [13:36] <@Error504> FOR = 3. AGAINST = 4. ABSTAIN = 5
  2689. [13:37] <@Tigernose> [21:35] <Tigernose> FOR = 3 AGAINST = 4 ABSTAIN = 5
  2690. [13:37] <@Tigernose> yeah sorry :P
  2691. [13:37] <@Tigernose> I added no advertising by accident
  2692. [13:37] <@Tigernose> Alright go on
  2693. [13:37] <+iHF> !vote for
  2694. 01[13:37] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  2695. 01[13:37] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2696. [13:37] <+AgentJohnson> !vote against
  2697. 01[13:37] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted against 
  2698. 01[13:37] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2699. [13:37] <@Error504> looks like TropicalWikis?
  2700. [13:37] <+iHF> Yeah
  2701. [13:37] <+AgentJohnson> Fair enough.
  2702. [13:37] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  2703. 01[13:37] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  2704. [13:37] <+NickelbackFan37> I think so.
  2705. [13:38] <@Tigernose> Don't change topic yet please
  2706. [13:38] <ProjectXMark1> TW it is.
  2707. [13:38] <@Tux> Okay.
  2708. 03[13:38] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (11) Partnership Program Implemented into the CPW [mainly CPW]'
  2709. [13:38] <@Tigernose> I created a partnership program yesterday for the CPFW. We currently have one YouTuber partnered with us, and that is JaysnakeTV. He has around 600 subscribers, and will start advertising the Fanon in his next couple videos.
  2710. [13:38] <@Tigernose> I wanted to know if the CPW wanted some of the loving. If you do, I would like some of the CPW's users to participate in the Board of Partners, a group of people who research, negotiate, and vote on whether or not the CP "celebrity" would become a partner. --Happyface414 (talk|blog|contribs) 04:11, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
  2711. [13:38] <+PBR|Away> Back
  2712. [13:38] <@Tigernose> http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Partnership
  2713. 03[13:38] * PBR|Away is now known as PenblooeR
  2714. [13:38] <@Tigernose> http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Partnership/Board_of_Partners
  2715. [13:38] <@Tigernose> http://www.youtube.com/user/JaysnakeTV
  2716. [13:39] <@Tigernose> Partnership Program would be helpful, as it will increase the number of new users to come on one of the wikis in the network. I think the partnership program should be implemented network-wide, to attract more users on wikis other than Fanon, such as the Shops and this wiki. --Welcome00 Talk 08:08, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  2717. [13:39] <@Tigernose> Fanon have one already
  2718. [13:39] <+AgentJohnson> Yes.
  2719. [13:39] <@Error504> A partnership system won't hurt us
  2720. [13:39] <+PenblooeR> I don't think that's much needed
  2721. [13:39] <+AgentJohnson> If CPW can be bothered.
  2722. [13:39] <ProjectXMark1> I shan't vote on this.
  2723. [13:39] <+iHF> Basically, I want to move the system into CPW
  2724. [13:39] <+NickelbackFan37> Sounds like a plan!
  2725. [13:39] <+AgentJohnson> I wil, since I consider this networkwide.
  2726. [13:39] <@Tigernose> Fanon should have a say
  2727. [13:39] <+iHF> So more users participate
  2728. [13:39] <ProjectXMark1> It is CPW's decision.
  2729. [13:39] <@Error504> it benefits us somewhat if we can get some supporters.
  2730. [13:40] <@Tigernose> I think if anything CPW should definitely have it
  2731. [13:40] <+NickelbackFan37> Yea.
  2732. [13:40] <+AgentJohnson> Should we vote?
  2733. [13:40] <@Tigernose> Who will be in charge of organising it?
  2734. [13:40] <+AgentJohnson> It seems unanimous.
  2735. [13:40] <+PenblooeR> However, CPWPT is the proof that a partnership program can do wonderful things to a growing wiki
  2736. [13:40] <+iHF> Me
  2737. [13:40] <+AgentJohnson> HF.
  2738. [13:40] <+AgentJohnson> And a CPW user.
  2739. [13:40] <+iHF> And a few others
  2740. [13:40] <@Error504> I can as well.
  2741. [13:40] <@Tigernose> PenblooeR, that's cool
  2742. [13:40] <+AgentJohnson> HF - Can I be a Board member/Scout?
  2743. [13:40] <+NickelbackFan37> Since I'm on Twitter a lot, I can try to help.
  2744. [13:40] <+iHF> I need multiple ppl on the Board
  2745. [13:41] <+AgentJohnson> I mean not Scout, Negotiator.
  2746. [13:41] <@Tigernose> Don't we need a CPW user as this is the CPW branch?
  2747. [13:41] <Shrimp> lol
  2748. [13:41] <+iHF> It is wiki-wide
  2749. [13:41] <+AgentJohnson> I say it should be more integrated.
  2750. [13:41] <+AgentJohnson> Wiki-wide.
  2751. [13:41] <@Error504> moi.
  2752. [13:41] <@Error504> I can help with it but I don't want to do this alone.
  2753. [13:41] <@Tigernose> Just read http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Partnership/Board_of_Partners
  2754. [13:41] <+AgentJohnson> I'm in.
  2755. [13:41] <+NickelbackFan37> I'm considering it.
  2756. [13:41] <@Tigernose> i think a cpw suer should be head of the council for the cpw branch
  2757. [13:41] <+AgentJohnson> User:Hal_Homsar_Solo = CPW
  2758. [13:41] <@Tigernose> but hf part of the council
  2759. [13:42] <+NickelbackFan37> Mocha is IN!
  2760. [13:42] <+iHF> I like that idea
  2761. [13:42] <+AgentJohnson> I say CPW, CPFW, Staffer.
  2762. [13:42] <+NickelbackFan37> :P
  2763. [13:42] <+AgentJohnson> As heads.
  2764. [13:42] <+AgentJohnson> There should be Staff input.
  2765. [13:42] <+iHF> Yep
  2766. [13:42] <@Tigernose> I agree
  2767. [13:42] <+AgentJohnson> Otherwise, CPFW, 2 CPW.
  2768. [13:42] <ProjectXMark1> Ok, I have to go now.
  2769. [13:42] <@Tigernose> http://fanon.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Fanon_Wiki:Partnership
  2770. [13:42] <ProjectXMark1> Bye all!
  2771. [13:42] <@Tigernose> Wha tabout the requirements
  2772. [13:42] <+NickelbackFan37> bye
  2773. [13:42] <@Tigernose> Bye!
  2774. [13:42] <+AgentJohnson> By ProjectXMark1
  2775. [13:42] <+AgentJohnson> Bye*
  2776. [13:42] <+iHF> We can work pn
  2777. 03[13:42] * ProjectXMark1 (51bb8762@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.187.135.98) has left #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  2778. [13:42] <+iHF> On it
  2779. [13:43] <+PenblooeR> hey
  2780. [13:43] <+iHF> I gtg
  2781. [13:43] <@Tigernose> The deal is usually free advertising. A blogger will make a blog about the wiki, and YouTuber will make video(s) about the wiki. In return, the wiki will advertise them on the main page and the sidebar. Negotiations are a very fragile process, so please put the blogger/YouTuber's need before yours.
  2782. [13:43] <+NickelbackFan37> bye
  2783. [13:43] <@Tigernose> Hmmm
  2784. [13:43] <@Tigernose> Just saw this
  2785. [13:43] <@Tigernose> Do we want links to youtubers on our main page?
  2786. [13:43] <+AgentJohnson> I'm fine with it.
  2787. [13:43] <@Tigernose> Especially ours is more content/fact based
  2788. [13:43] <+NickelbackFan37> Hmm...
  2789. [13:43] <@Error504> I think we should just display a banner of some sort.
  2790. [13:43] <+AgentJohnson> Or on the sidebar.
  2791. [13:43] <@Error504> a small one on the mainpage.
  2792. [13:43] <+PenblooeR> Tigernose: see this: http://pt.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki
  2793. [13:43] <+AgentJohnson> With renewal i.e new videos.
  2794. [13:43] <@Tigernose> I think on the right column
  2795. [13:43] <+NickelbackFan37> I can design it if you want.
  2796. [13:43] <+PenblooeR> At the bottom of the page
  2797. 02[13:43] * +iHF (~ihf@99-72-154-135.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi)
  2798. [13:43] <@Error504> in a partners section or something.
  2799. [13:44] <+AgentJohnson> And these Yotubers/Bloggers should be on the board.
  2800. [13:44] <+AgentJohnson> But you'll all be opposed.
  2801. [13:44] <@Tigernose> I saw the banner
  2802. [13:44] <+AgentJohnson> So forget that statement.
  2803. [13:44] <@Tigernose> What did the user think of it?
  2804. [13:44] <+PenblooeR> It was fine for him
  2805. [13:44] <@Tigernose> Of it being at the bottom?
  2806. [13:44] <@Tux> afk
  2807. [13:44] <@Tigernose> Shouldn't it be on the right sidebar
  2808. [13:44] <+PenblooeR> He even let me pos wiki stuff in the blog
  2809. [13:44] <+PenblooeR> post*
  2810. [13:44] <@Error504> now, how many partners can we have.
  2811. [13:44] <+NickelbackFan37> idk
  2812. [13:44] <@Error504> We're not gonna have 10.
  2813. [13:45] <@Error504> That's gonna make the mainpage huge full of ads.
  2814. [13:45] <@Sharkbate> brb supper
  2815. [13:45] <@Tigernose> Lets put it in the "other projects" box
  2816. [13:45] <+NickelbackFan37> ok.
  2817. [13:45] <+PenblooeR> E504, you don't need to have 10 advertisers, you just have to choose the right ones
  2818. [13:45] <@Tigernose> http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki
  2819. [13:45] <@Tigernose> But as smaller icons and below
  2820. [13:45] <+PenblooeR> "buttons"
  2821. [13:45] <@Tigernose> yh
  2822. [13:45] <@Tigernose> banner is too obscure
  2823. [13:45] <@Error504> or I think we can have a Partners project page and have a link there somewhere for smaller partners.
  2824. [13:46] <@Tigernose> For smaller partners yeah
  2825. [13:46] <@Tigernose> I think like this
  2826. [13:46] <@Tigernose> OTHER PROJECTS:
  2827. [13:46] <@Tigernose> cp shops - fanon - whatever
  2828. [13:46] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  2829. [13:46] <+AgentJohnson> Or can we do some random thing?
  2830. [13:46] <@Tigernose> Partnership Project (read more):
  2831. [13:46] <+AgentJohnson> Like a blogger/youtuber is randomly listed?
  2832. [13:46] <Shrimp> I have one question. If a user said "I'm 7," would you block them until they are 13?
  2833. [13:46] <@Tigernose> xxpenguinarmydudexx - lololo8383
  2834. [13:46] <+PenblooeR> Shrimp - yes
  2835. [13:46] <@Tigernose> Shrimp, is this generally?
  2836. [13:47] <@Tigernose> If so, yes
  2837. [13:47] <+AgentJohnson> Are you 7?
  2838. [13:47] <Shrimp> Welllll?
  2839. [13:47] <Shrimp> Ok
  2840. [13:47] <Shrimp> No, I'm not
  2841. [13:47] <+AgentJohnson> Oh, ok.
  2842. [13:47] <Shrimp> We've had a lot of COPPA issues on the old wiki
  2843. [13:47] <+PenblooeR> Voting?
  2844. [13:47] <@Tigernose> [21:46] <Tigernose> For smaller partners yeah
  2845. [13:47] <Shrimp> And people want COPPA removed
  2846. [13:47] <@Tigernose> [21:46] <Tigernose> I think like this
  2847. [13:47] <@Tigernose> [21:46] <Tigernose> OTHER PROJECTS:
  2848. [13:47] <Shrimp> You can't REMOVE COPPA
  2849. [13:47] <@Tigernose> [21:46] <Tigernose> cp shops - fanon - whatever
  2850. [13:47] <+PenblooeR> We're getting off-topic
  2851. [13:47] <@Tigernose> [21:46] <Tigernose> Partnership Project (read more):
  2852. [13:47] <@Tigernose> [21:46] <Tigernose> xxpenguinarmydudexx - lololo8383
  2853. [13:47] <@Tigernose> Should we do it like that?
  2854. [13:48] <+AgentJohnson> Sure.
  2855. [13:48] <@Tigernose> Alright let's vote
  2856. [13:48] <@Tigernose> FOR = implemented
  2857. [13:48] <@Error504> Or we can advertise another partner depending on time of day.
  2858. [13:48] <@Tigernose> AGAINST = kept to fanon
  2859. [13:48] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  2860. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  2861. [13:48] <@Tigernose> !votingon
  2862. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  2863. [13:48] <@Tigernose> !votes for
  2864. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  2865. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2866. [13:48] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  2867. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  2868. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2869. [13:48] <@Error504> !vote for
  2870. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  2871. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2872. [13:48] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote for
  2873. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted for 
  2874. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2875. [13:48] <+AgentJohnson> !VOTE For
  2876. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted For 
  2877. 01[13:48] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2878. [13:48] <+AgentJohnson> Oops.
  2879. [13:49] <+AgentJohnson> Unanimous vote?
  2880. [13:49] <Shrimp> !vote for
  2881. 01[13:49] <ErrorBot> 3 Shrimp has voted for 
  2882. 01[13:49] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2883. [13:49] <+PenblooeR> 5 votes? Is that all?
  2884. [13:49] <+PenblooeR> Guys?
  2885. [13:49] <+AgentJohnson> Of users currently present?
  2886. [13:49] <Shrimp> Wow
  2887. [13:49] <@Tigernose> Tux
  2888. [13:49] <+AgentJohnson> That's unanimous of people active.
  2889. [13:49] <+PenblooeR> Tux, HatPop
  2890. [13:49] <@Tigernose> Tell me how to global notice -_-
  2891. [13:49] <+NickelbackFan37> Tux's afk
  2892. [13:49] <+PenblooeR> Ced1214
  2893. [13:49] <@Tux> k
  2894. [13:49] <@Tux> lag
  2895. [13:49] <@Tigernose> Erro504
  2896. [13:49] <@Tigernose> Error504
  2897. [13:49] <@Error504> yea?
  2898. [13:50] <@Tux> !vote for
  2899. 01[13:50] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  2900. 01[13:50] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  2901. [13:50] <@Error504> I already voted.
  2902. [13:50] <@Tigernose> ok
  2903. [13:50] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  2904. 01[13:50] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  2905. [13:50] <@Tigernose> Verdict: Will go through
  2906. [13:50] <Ced1214> WHAT
  2907. [13:50] <Ced1214> woops caps
  2908. [13:50] <@Tigernose> Council = CPW, CPFW, Staff users
  2909. [13:50] <+NickelbackFan37> okay.
  2910. 03[13:50] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | TOPIC: (12) Adding an image pool'
  2911. [13:51] <@Tigernose> No messsages for a sec please!
  2912. [13:51] <+PenblooeR> This one is interesting
  2913. [13:51] <@Tigernose> I think we should add an image pool to the CPW(N) wikis. The advantages include:
  2914. [13:51] <@Tigernose> De-duplication and saving space. This also has a greater benefit as all wikis can benefit from, e.g., larger images.
  2915. [13:51] <@Tigernose> More consistency among the wikis.
  2916. [13:51] <@Tigernose> Disadvantages:
  2917. [13:51] <@Tigernose> Another wiki would be involved in the process.
  2918. [13:51] <@Tigernose> There might be some confusion around names.
  2919. [13:51] <@Tigernose> New policy will need to be defined, which can be discussed at the meeting. Tux (*** SERVICE NOTIFICATION *** clubpenguinwiki.info IS UP) 18:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
  2920. [13:51] <@Tigernose> Tux needs to be here
  2921. [13:51] <+AgentJohnson> Define 'image pool'.
  2922. [13:51] <@Tigernose> This is relevant to the new server, btw
  2923. [13:51] <@Error504> kinda like Wikimedia commons
  2924. [13:51] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  2925. [13:51] <@Tigernose> yh
  2926. [13:51] <+AgentJohnson> Ok.
  2927. [13:51] <+PenblooeR> And the Bulbagarden Archives
  2928. [13:51] <+PenblooeR> :P
  2929. [13:52] <@Tux> UGH
  2930. [13:52] <+NickelbackFan37> :P
  2931. [13:52] <+AgentJohnson> I'm not sure.
  2932. [13:52] <@Tigernose> I think we can show a vote of approval atm
  2933. [13:52] <+AgentJohnson> Do we need each other's images?
  2934. [13:52] <@Tigernose> And have the staff discuss it later on
  2935. [13:52] <@Error504> I like the idea, but the only thing I'm concerned is the name confusions
  2936. [13:52] <+PenblooeR> I have some questions
  2937. [13:52] <@Tigernose> Go on
  2938. [13:52] <+PenblooeR> What about the language? If a portuguese user wants to upload an image but he doesn't know english, what will he do?
  2939. [13:52] <@Tigernose> How does Wikipedia solve this?
  2940. [13:53] <+PenblooeR> idk
  2941. [13:53] <+AgentJohnson> ni
  2942. [13:53] <+PenblooeR> I'm not a "wikipedian" :P
  2943. [13:53] <@Tigernose> Just copy & paste the file name
  2944. [13:53] <@Tux> I'm here
  2945. [13:53] <@Tigernose> If you have the image, it's easy
  2946. [13:53] <+PenblooeR> That's not what i'm talking about
  2947. [13:53] <@Error504> I don't think the name matters
  2948. [13:53] <@Tigernose> Tux can you detail this
  2949. [13:53] <@Tux> They base it on the image
  2950. [13:53] <+NickelbackFan37> me neither.
  2951. [13:53] <@Error504> Any user has the right to upload it to any file name
  2952. [13:53] <+AgentJohnson> Question: Do we need each other's images?
  2953. [13:53] <+PenblooeR> I'm talking about the instructions, the words that are written in the page
  2954. [13:54] <+AgentJohnson> What good does the CPW have with an image of Swiss Ninja?
  2955. [13:54] <+PenblooeR> I'm not talking about the file names
  2956. [13:54] <@Tux> Yes
  2957. [13:54] <@Tigernose> AJ, it won't be use
  2958. [13:54] <@Tigernose> *used
  2959. [13:54] <+PenblooeR> Can we still have a Special:Upload for each wiki, but the images be sent to the pool?
  2960. [13:55] <@Error504> ^
  2961. [13:55] <+NickelbackFan37> ^
  2962. [13:55] <+AgentJohnson> ...
  2963. [13:55] <+AgentJohnson> Just testing...
  2964. [13:55] <+PenblooeR> Tux?
  2965. [13:55] <@Tux> No, but you CAN point it to the pool
  2966. [13:55] <+AgentJohnson> I'm in favour.
  2967. [13:56] <+AgentJohnson> I move to start a vote.
  2968. [13:56] <@Tigernose> I don't understand
  2969. [13:56] <@Tux> this lag sucks
  2970. [13:56] <@Error504> I'm neutral in this.
  2971. [13:56] <+PenblooeR> How does Wikipedia do?
  2972. [13:56] <@Tigernose> Are all new uploads moved to the commons?
  2973. [13:56] <@Error504> I don't get why we need it right now
  2974. [13:56] <+NickelbackFan37> kinda confused.
  2975. [13:56] <+PenblooeR> Error504, to avoid duplicated images in the network
  2976. [13:56] <+PenblooeR> Many images used in CPWPT are used in CPW, for example
  2977. [13:56] <+NickelbackFan37> Good point there.
  2978. [13:56] <@Tux> yes
  2979. [13:56] <@Tigernose> We don't need it, but it could be beneficial
  2980. [13:57] <@Tigernose> As lots of images are used together
  2981. [13:57] <+AgentJohnson> Fine.
  2982. [13:57] <@Tigernose> but to be honest
  2983. [13:57] <@Tigernose> When are CP images even used in CPFW?
  2984. [13:57] <@Tigernose> They're all hand-drawn
  2985. [13:57] <+PenblooeR> Does anyone know how it works in Wikipedia?
  2986. [13:57] <+AgentJohnson> I have seen SOME used
  2987. [13:57] <@Tigernose> Some
  2988. [13:57] <+AgentJohnson> Which are from CP.
  2989. [13:57] <+NickelbackFan37> idk
  2990. [13:57] <@Tigernose> Is it really worth it?
  2991. [13:57] <+AgentJohnson> Exactly.
  2992. [13:57] <+PenblooeR> I have also seen some used in CPSW
  2993. [13:58] <@Tigernose> yeah but only some
  2994. [13:58] <@Tigernose> And they can be taken manually
  2995. [13:58] <+AgentJohnson> Depends mostly on the language thing.
  2996. [13:58] <@Tigernose> Not from the CPW
  2997. [13:58] <@Tigernose> Ah yes
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  2999. [13:58] <+AgentJohnson> Will there be a Portugese Wiki?
  3000. [13:58] <+AgentJohnson> A Spanish, a French one?
  3001. [13:58] <+PenblooeR> There is a portuguese Wiki.
  3002. [13:58] <+NickelbackFan37> there is.
  3003. [13:58] <@Error504> French and Spanish is dead
  3004. [13:58] <Shrimp> Yeah. Sorry bout that
  3005. [13:58] <+AgentJohnson> And if so, then some should still play a role.
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  3007. [13:59] <@Error504> I can work on the French one on TW but I'm not that great in French.
  3008. [13:59] <+PenblooeR> Who was that?
  3009. [13:59] <@Error504> Tux.
  3010. [13:59] <+NickelbackFan37> Tux
  3011. [13:59] <+AgentJohnson> [21:56] <+AgentJohnson> I move to start a vote.
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  3013. [13:59] <+PenblooeR> My questions were not solved...
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  3015. [14:00] <+PenblooeR> Nobody knows how the image uploads work in Wikipedia?
  3016. [14:00] <@Error504> Stalemate. Nothing is going on xD
  3017. 02[14:00] * @Tux (~tux@tropicalwikis/Frozen-Wind) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  3018. [14:00] <+NickelbackFan37> xD
  3019. [14:00] <+AgentJohnson> Tux is absent.
  3020. [14:00] <+PenblooeR> Well, Tux has quit
  3021. [14:00] <+AgentJohnson> And this is a key issue.
  3022. [14:00] <+PenblooeR> I suggest we skip this topic too
  3023. [14:00] <+PenblooeR> It's too confusing
  3024. [14:00] <+AgentJohnson> Until further notice, put on hold.
  3025. [14:00] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  3026. [14:00] <@Error504> I say we hold it off until images are becoming a concern.
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  3030. [14:00] <+AgentJohnson> If Tux comes back, we'll come back to it.
  3031. [14:01] <+PenblooeR> Should us move on?
  3032. [14:01] <@Error504> Tigernose?
  3033. [14:01] <+PenblooeR> (14) Club Penguin Army Wiki
  3034. [14:01] <+PenblooeR> :P
  3035. [14:01] <+AgentJohnson> 13?
  3036. [14:01] <+AgentJohnson> Shouldn't it be 13?
  3037. [14:01] <+NickelbackFan37> move on? i guess
  3038. [14:01] <Shrimp> GTG
  3039. [14:02] <+AgentJohnson> Well, Error is an Admin on CPW.
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  3043. [14:02] <@Error504> network's down for me.
  3044. [14:02] <+PenblooeR> (13) Adding an image pool
  3045. [14:02] <+AgentJohnson> Tigernose is back.
  3046. [14:02] <+PenblooeR> (14) Club Penguin Army Wiki
  3047. [14:02] <@Error504> now it's up.
  3048. [14:02] <+NickelbackFan37> ok.
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  3051. [14:02] <@Error504> there's no #12 xD
  3052. [14:02] <+PenblooeR> Let's move on
  3053. [14:02] <+AgentJohnson> O_o
  3054. [14:02] <+NickelbackFan37> moving on *buzzer*
  3055. 03[14:02] * Tigernose_ is now known as Tigernose
  3056. [14:02] <+AgentJohnson> Error, take over as Director?
  3057. [14:02] <+AgentJohnson> Oh Tigernose is back?
  3058. [14:03] <@Error504> I'll wait for TN.
  3059. [14:03] <@Tigernose> Sorry
  3060. [14:03] <@Tigernose> Internet went down
  3061. [14:03] <@Tigernose> What was happening
  3062. [14:03] <@Tigernose> What happened *
  3063. [14:03] <@Error504> Nothing
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  3065. [14:03] <@Error504> Nothing was being discussed.
  3066. [14:03] <@Tigernose> I know
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  3068. [14:03] <@Tigernose> Wait
  3069. [14:03] <@Tigernose> What happened
  3070. [14:03] <@Tigernose> I'm here
  3071. [14:03] <@Tigernose> What happened
  3072. [14:03] <@Tigernose> Sorry my internet went down
  3073. [14:03] <+PenblooeR> PenblooeR I suggest we skip this topic too
  3074. [14:03] <@Tigernose> And yeah, we removed 12 but we forgot to change the others
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  3076. [14:03] <+PenblooeR> PenblooeR It's too confusing
  3077. [14:03] <+AgentJohnson> Until Tux comes back
  3078. [14:03] <@Tigernose> The image pool?
  3079. [14:03] <+AgentJohnson> We should move on
  3080. [14:03] <@Tigernose> Yeah
  3081. [14:03] <+PenblooeR> Yes
  3082. [14:03] <+AgentJohnson> But I think his internet is bad as well.
  3083. [14:03] <@Tigernose> Staff will decide this later
  3084. [14:03] <iHF> Its been almost 3 hours...
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  3086. [14:03] <@Tigernose> As it's important to the new server
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  3089. [14:03] <+PenblooeR> (14) Club Penguin Army Wiki
  3090. [14:04] <@Error504> This is the longest meeting of all 5.
  3091. [14:04] <@Tigernose> alriught one sec
  3092. [14:04] <+PenblooeR> Does this need to be discussed?
  3093. 03[14:04] * TuxBot (~TuxBot@tropicalwikis/bot/tuxbot) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  3094. [14:04] <+PenblooeR> xD
  3095. [14:04] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  3096. [14:04] <+AgentJohnson> Club Penguin Fandom Wiki
  3097. [14:04] <+AgentJohnson> End off.
  3098. [14:04] <+PenblooeR> That ^
  3099. [14:04] <Tux> I'm back
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  3101. [14:04] <@Tigernose> When will we put the Army Wiki onto the new wiki CPWN? {{SUBST:Starsiggy}} 04:06, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
  3102. [14:04] <@Error504> I'm thinking no
  3103. [14:04] <+PenblooeR> It's a no for me
  3104. [14:04] <iHF> No
  3105. [14:04] <@Tigernose> Well
  3106. [14:04] <@Tigernose> It's not Fiction
  3107. [14:04] <+NickelbackFan37> Nah, I don't see the point.
  3108. [14:04] <+AgentJohnson> Is Fandom ok?
  3109. [14:04] <@Tigernose> So it's not Fandom
  3110. [14:04] <Tux> yes
  3111. [14:04] <+AgentJohnson> Fandom isn't fiction.
  3112. [14:04] <@Error504> Shops usually holds all the extra stuff, and if not, there's always Fandom.
  3113. [14:04] <iHF> You can put armies on CPW?
  3114. [14:04] <+AgentJohnson> Isn't it bloggers?
  3115. [14:05] <@Error504> Fandom is anything else pretty much.
  3116. [14:05] <+AgentJohnson> Perhaps integrate CP Fandom into CPW.
  3117. [14:05] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  3118. [14:05] <+AgentJohnson> As a micro-wiki?
  3119. [14:05] <Tux> Fandom was created to cover fan-made CP stuff that isn't fiction
  3120. [14:05] <+AgentJohnson> Or project?
  3121. [14:05] <@Tigernose> No thanks
  3122. [14:05] <@Error504> No.
  3123. [14:05] <+NickelbackFan37> no
  3124. [14:05] <+AgentJohnson> Fair enough.
  3125. [14:05] <@Tigernose> Micro-wikis are too much hassle
  3126. [14:05] <+PenblooeR> AgentJohnson, it will be a chaos
  3127. [14:05] <iHF> I think armies can become articles in CPW
  3128. [14:05] <@Tigernose> Remember "Ideas"?
  3129. [14:05] <@Error504> CP Ideas
  3130. [14:05] <@Error504> lol it's useless.
  3131. [14:05] <+NickelbackFan37> I remmeber
  3132. [14:05] <iHF> They are pretty big
  3133. [14:05] <@Tigernose> No way
  3134. [14:05] <+AgentJohnson> Is it still there?
  3135. [14:05] <+NickelbackFan37> remember*
  3136. [14:05] <@Tigernose> It's not official or canon
  3137. [14:05] <@Error504> Ideas is still there
  3138. [14:05] <@Error504> Nobody edits it anymore
  3139. [14:05] <+NickelbackFan37> oh
  3140. [14:05] <iHF> True
  3141. [14:05] <@Tigernose> CPAW could work
  3142. [14:05] <+PenblooeR> But it's about notability
  3143. [14:06] <Tux> Exactly
  3144. [14:06] <+AgentJohnson> Will not fully integrate Fandom into CPW?
  3145. [14:06] <iHF> It could work
  3146. [14:06] <Tux> And CPAW on Wikia is not edited a lot
  3147. [14:06] <@Error504> Now time to not get confused:
  3148. 02[14:06] * Shrimp (46f6139a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.246.19.154) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  3149. [14:06] <+AgentJohnson> Actually, scratch that.
  3150. [14:06] <@Error504> CPA: Club Penguin Archives
  3151. [14:06] <+NickelbackFan37> it might just work.
  3152. [14:06] <@Error504> CPAW: Club Penguin Army Wiki
  3153. [14:06] <iHF> But it needs advertisemenr
  3154. [14:06] <+AgentJohnson> Not an Army Wiki.
  3155. [14:06] <+AgentJohnson> Fandom is fine.
  3156. [14:06] <+PenblooeR> C-PAW
  3157. [14:06] <+AgentJohnson> Bring it back to CPWN.
  3158. [14:06] <@Tigernose> I think it should go on CPAW
  3159. [14:06] <iHF> And actual CP soldiers should edit it
  3160. [14:06] <+PenblooeR> Fandom is dead
  3161. [14:06] <@Tigernose> It's their problem at the end of the day
  3162. [14:06] <Tux> Fandom is dead and was moved
  3163. [14:07] <@Tigernose> I say give them a wiki
  3164. [14:07] <+NickelbackFan37> mmmhmm
  3165. [14:07] <+PenblooeR> Fandom was never alive actually
  3166. [14:07] <Tux> On TW.
  3167. [14:07] <+AgentJohnson> Invite some soldiers from ACP, IW etc.
  3168. [14:07] <Tux> On TW.
  3169. [14:07] <+AgentJohnson> HF you used to be part of IW?
  3170. [14:07] <+NickelbackFan37> TW
  3171. [14:07] <@Error504> on TW I would support.
  3172. [14:07] <@Error504> on CPWN no, not yet.
  3173. [14:07] <+PenblooeR> Armies are stupid
  3174. [14:07] <iHF> Yeah i cut ties though
  3175. [14:07] <+NickelbackFan37> same.
  3176. [14:07] <+AgentJohnson> Armies are stupid. But they still exist.
  3177. [14:07] <+PenblooeR> They live the illusion that they can win wars by throwing pixels
  3178. [14:07] <+AgentJohnson> ON TW
  3179. [14:07] <@Tigernose> Alright one sec guys
  3180. [14:07] <Tux> Un-CP had a Club Chicken army
  3181. [14:07] <@Error504> I never got the point of armies.
  3182. [14:07] <iHF> Wait
  3183. [14:07] <iHF> Guys
  3184. [14:07] <+NickelbackFan37> me neither.
  3185. [14:07] <+AgentJohnson> Which was more like a group of trolls.
  3186. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> CCC.
  3187. [14:08] <@Tigernose> FOR = Go on CPWN AGAINST = Fandom ABSTAIN = TW
  3188. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> Those were the days.
  3189. [14:08] <+PenblooeR> Purple Republic
  3190. [14:08] <iHF> Army Wiki could bring in a new audience
  3191. [14:08] <@Tigernose> Is that good?
  3192. [14:08] <Tux> yes
  3193. [14:08] <+NickelbackFan37> okie-dokie.
  3194. [14:08] <iHF> Yes
  3195. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> Yeah/
  3196. [14:08] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  3197. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  3198. [14:08] <Tux> !vote against
  3199. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted against 
  3200. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3201. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> Purple Republic are cool.
  3202. [14:08] <+PenblooeR> !vote against
  3203. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted against 
  3204. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3205. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> !vote agains
  3206. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted agains 
  3207. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3208. [14:08] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote abstain
  3209. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted abstain 
  3210. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  3211. [14:08] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  3212. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  3213. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  3214. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> !vote against
  3215. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted against 
  3216. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  3217. [14:08] <@Error504> !vote abstain
  3218. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted abstain 
  3219. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  3220. [14:08] <+PenblooeR> !vote potato
  3221. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted potato 
  3222. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  3223. [14:08] <@Tigernose> Why Fandom
  3224. [14:08] <iHF> !vote for
  3225. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  3226. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  3227. [14:08] <@Tigernose> It's not fiction
  3228. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> !vote abstain
  3229. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted abstain 
  3230. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  3231. [14:08] <@Tigernose> Just give them a wiki on CPWN
  3232. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> !vote For
  3233. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted For 
  3234. 01[14:08] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  3235. [14:08] <+PenblooeR> PenblooeR has voted potato
  3236. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> Final decision.
  3237. [14:08] <+AgentJohnson> For.
  3238. [14:09] <@Tigernose> If it's not active, kick em out
  3239. [14:09] <Tux> Ummm.
  3240. [14:09] <iHF> 3 way tie...
  3241. [14:09] <+NickelbackFan37> it's a tie...
  3242. [14:09] <Tux> AJ, ErrorBot doesn't change your vote.
  3243. [14:09] <Tux> !clearvotes
  3244. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  3245. [14:09] <Tux> Revote.
  3246. [14:09] <+AgentJohnson> Sorry.
  3247. [14:09] <Tux> !vote against
  3248. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted against 
  3249. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3250. [14:09] <+PenblooeR> !vote against
  3251. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted against 
  3252. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3253. [14:09] <iHF> !vote for
  3254. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  3255. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3256. [14:09] <@Error504> !vote abstain
  3257. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted abstain 
  3258. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  3259. [14:09] <+AgentJohnson> !vote for
  3260. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted for 
  3261. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  3262. [14:09] <@Tigernose> what the hell
  3263. [14:09] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  3264. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  3265. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  3266. [14:09] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote abstain
  3267. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted abstain 
  3268. 01[14:09] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  3269. [14:09] <@Tigernose> oh
  3270. [14:09] <iHF> Just bring em in
  3271. [14:09] <+PenblooeR> srsly?
  3272. [14:09] <iHF> It could benefit all wikis
  3273. 05[14:10] -Error504:#clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil- To change your vote use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> and then revote. Simple.
  3274. [14:10] <Tux> someone against pl0x
  3275. [14:10] <+PenblooeR> It could become inactive
  3276. [14:10] <@Tigernose> Brings more traffic
  3277. [14:10] <iHF> Then kick em out
  3278. [14:10] <Tux> <PenblooeR> It could become inactive
  3279. [14:10] <+AgentJohnson> Second round of voting?
  3280. [14:10] <+AgentJohnson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-round_system
  3281. [14:10] <Tux> We do NOT want inactive wikis
  3282. [14:10] <+AgentJohnson> It does seem close
  3283. [14:10] <+AgentJohnson> I think we need an supermajority
  3284. [14:10] <+AgentJohnson> a*
  3285. [14:10] <+PenblooeR> Nobody other than star kirby has shown interest
  3286. [14:10] <iHF> True
  3287. [14:10] <Tux> TW.
  3288. [14:10] <+AgentJohnson> Invite some ACP members
  3289. [14:10] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  3290. [14:10] <Tux> Fandom.
  3291. [14:10] <iHF> !rmvote for
  3292. 01[14:10] <ErrorBot> 4 iHF has removed their vote of for 
  3293. 01[14:10] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  3294. [14:10] <+AgentJohnson> Or something.
  3295. [14:11] <@Tigernose> Whaat would the second round be?
  3296. [14:11] <iHF> !vote abstain
  3297. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted abstain 
  3298. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  3299. [14:11] <@Error504> if they ever raid our wikis we can kick em out :P
  3300. [14:11] <@Tigernose> What if they're active
  3301. [14:11] <Tux> !rmvote against
  3302. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 4 Tux has removed their vote of against 
  3303. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  3304. [14:11] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  3305. [14:11] <@Tigernose> They'll have the INCENTIVE to start working
  3306. [14:11] <+AgentJohnson> They did raid UNCPW.
  3307. [14:11] <Tux> !vote abstain
  3308. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted abstain 
  3309. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3310. [14:11] <+AgentJohnson> Now I remember.
  3311. [14:11] <+PenblooeR> !rmvote against
  3312. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 4 PenblooeR has removed their vote of against 
  3313. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3314. [14:11] <iHF> Until more users show interest
  3315. [14:11] <+PenblooeR> !vote abastain
  3316. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted abastain 
  3317. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3318. [14:11] <+AgentJohnson> !rmvote for
  3319. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 4 AgentJohnson has removed their vote of for 
  3320. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3321. [14:11] <+PenblooeR> Abstain won
  3322. [14:11] <@Tigernose> what was abstain again?
  3323. [14:11] <@Tigernose> :P
  3324. [14:11] <@Error504> TW
  3325. [14:11] <@Tigernose> oh
  3326. [14:11] <+PenblooeR> !vote abstain
  3327. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted abstain 
  3328. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  3329. [14:11] <+PenblooeR> :P
  3330. [14:11] <Tux> Separate TW wiki
  3331. [14:11] <@Tigernose> What, TW?
  3332. [14:11] <+AgentJohnson> !vote against
  3333. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted against 
  3334. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  3335. [14:11] <@Tigernose> That's unrelated to CPW
  3336. [14:11] <@Tigernose> CPWN
  3337. [14:11] <@Tigernose> *CPWN
  3338. [14:11] <iHF> !rmvote abstain
  3339. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 4 iHF has removed their vote of abstain 
  3340. 01[14:11] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3341. [14:11] <Tux> They can come up to me and say if they want it
  3342. [14:12] <iHF> !vote against
  3343. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted against 
  3344. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3345. [14:12] <@Tigernose> Why hassle
  3346. [14:12] <@Tigernose> They obviously want it
  3347. [14:12] <@Tigernose> Getting on CPWN
  3348. [14:12] <+PenblooeR> !vote rainbows
  3349. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted rainbows 
  3350. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3351. [14:12] <@Tigernose> Will givethem INCENTIVE to be active
  3352. [14:12] <+AgentJohnson> Yeah.
  3353. [14:12] <Tux> 9_9
  3354. [14:12] <+PenblooeR> !vote Obama
  3355. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted Obama 
  3356. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3357. [14:12] <@Tigernose> PenblooeR, don't vote spam please.
  3358. [14:12] <iHF> Restarr?
  3359. [14:12] <@Error504> stop plz
  3360. [14:12] <+NickelbackFan37> 6_6
  3361. [14:12] <@Error504> it does nothing anyways.
  3362. [14:12] <+AgentJohnson> !rmvote against
  3363. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 4 AgentJohnson has removed their vote of against 
  3364. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3365. [14:12] <+AgentJohnson> !vote for
  3366. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted for 
  3367. 01[14:12] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3368. [14:12] <@Error504> wait, they /want it/ on the CPWN?
  3369. [14:12] <@Tigernose> Yes
  3370. [14:12] <iHF> No
  3371. [14:12] <+PenblooeR> Star kirby wants
  3372. [14:12] <iHF> Only 1 user
  3373. [14:12] <Tux> 9_9
  3374. [14:12] <+NickelbackFan37> Huh?
  3375. [14:12] <Tux> Only 1 user
  3376. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> Who knows?
  3377. [14:13] <@Error504> then I'm for TW.
  3378. [14:13] <+NickelbackFan37> ya
  3379. [14:13] <@Tigernose> And Feey
  3380. [14:13] <iHF> Feey might edit
  3381. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> Silent majority/minority?
  3382. [14:13] <+PenblooeR> Note; Star kirby edits the CPWikia.
  3383. [14:13] <@Tigernose> So does Feey
  3384. [14:13] <Tux> A more established community is required
  3385. [14:13] <@Sharkbate> wait
  3386. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> How about this:
  3387. [14:13] <@Error504> is there an army on Wikia?
  3388. [14:13] <@Sharkbate> what's the CPA?
  3389. [14:13] <iHF> Star kirby is our inside man
  3390. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> Can I make a proposal?
  3391. [14:13] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  3392. 01[14:13] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  3393. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> Just some silence?
  3394. [14:13] <Tux> And there is BARELY a community on the Wikia wiki
  3395. [14:13] <@Tigernose> Go on AJ
  3396. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> So I can talk?
  3397. [14:13] <+NickelbackFan37> yea.
  3398. [14:13] <@Error504> Sharkbate: CP SWF archives or CP Army Wiki
  3399. [14:13] <Tux> Sharkbate, archives
  3400. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> Thank you.
  3401. [14:13] <@Sharkbate> OOOh
  3402. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> I say keep this on hold but...
  3403. [14:13] <@Sharkbate> ok
  3404. [14:13] <+AgentJohnson> Start a project page on Cpw
  3405. [14:14] <+AgentJohnson> See is if there is interest
  3406. [14:14] <@Sharkbate> what's the purposal\/
  3407. [14:14] <@Error504> I'm gonna call CP archives CPSWF from now on
  3408. [14:14] <@Tigernose> On the CPW?
  3409. [14:14] <iHF> See who wants to edit?
  3410. [14:14] <+AgentJohnson> Go on army chats
  3411. [14:14] <+PenblooeR> Create a wiki in TW, if there is activity, move it to the CPWN
  3412. [14:14] <+AgentJohnson> Ask if anyone is interested
  3413. [14:14] <+PenblooeR> Simple as that
  3414. [14:14] <+AgentJohnson> Then Staff makes final decision.
  3415. [14:14] <@Tigernose> PenblooeR, too much hassle
  3416. [14:14] <iHF> !rmvote against
  3417. 01[14:14] <ErrorBot> 4 iHF has removed their vote of against 
  3418. 01[14:14] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: -1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3419. [14:14] <@Error504> !clearvotes
  3420. 01[14:14] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  3421. [14:14] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  3422. 01[14:14] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  3423. [14:14] <iHF> Oh
  3424. [14:14] <@Error504> !votingoff
  3425. 01[14:14] <ErrorBot> 4Voting command off
  3426. [14:14] <iHF> Sorry bout that
  3427. [14:14] <@Tigernose> That's too much hassle
  3428. [14:14] <@Tigernose> Just give them a CPWN wiki
  3429. [14:14] <@Error504> We need public opinion.
  3430. [14:14] <@Error504> How many people are willing to edit it?
  3431. [14:14] <@Tigernose> They'll have incentive to do it
  3432. [14:15] <+PenblooeR> Tigernose: what if it becomes inactive?
  3433. [14:15] <@Tigernose> *to edit it
  3434. [14:15] <+AgentJohnson> [22:15] <@Error504> We need public opinion. [22:15] <@Error504> How many people are willing to edit it?
  3435. [14:15] <+NickelbackFan37> Not me.
  3436. [14:15] <@Tigernose> Then kick them off
  3437. [14:15] <iHF> Lets postpone it
  3438. [14:15] <+PenblooeR> Not me²
  3439. [14:15] <@Tigernose> Alright yeah
  3440. [14:15] <@Tigernose> We need to ask them
  3441. [14:15] <@Tigernose> Star isn't even here
  3442. [14:15] <@Tigernose> lol
  3443. [14:15] <+AgentJohnson> Vote on whether we should ask them>?
  3444. [14:15] <+NickelbackFan37> lol yea
  3445. [14:15] <@Tigernose> Alright next topic
  3446. [14:15] <+AgentJohnson> Lol
  3447. [14:15] <+PenblooeR> Just like LM and NBF, I don't gtet the point of armies
  3448. Session Close: Sat Jun 23 14:17:35 2012
  3449.  
  3450. Session Start: Sat Jun 23 14:17:35 2012
  3451. Session Ident: #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  3452. 02[14:17] * Disconnected
  3453. 02[14:17] * Attempting to rejoin channel #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  3454. 03[14:18] * Rejoined channel #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  3455. 03[14:18] * Topic is 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | The agenda has been covered. If you have any more suggestions for topics, say them now.'
  3456. 03[14:18] * Set by Tigernose!~Tigernose@wikia/Tigernose on Sat Jun 23 14:17:17
  3457. [14:18] <@Tigernose> You said there's already a blogspace
  3458. [14:18] <Tux> Next one was AWCForum
  3459. 02[14:18] * ErrorBot (~lordmaste@S0106001c103ee8ba.vc.shawcable.net) Quit (Disconnected by services)
  3460. [14:18] <Tux> Hold a vote
  3461. [14:18] <+PenblooeR> Why don't you implement a fancy blog system like CPW?
  3462. 03[14:18] * ErrorBot504 is now known as ErrorBot
  3463. [14:18] <@Tigernose> Oh
  3464. [14:18] <Tux> PenblooeR, Wikilog
  3465. [14:18] <@Tigernose> !votingon
  3466. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  3467. [14:18] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  3468. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  3469. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3470. [14:18] <+AgentJohnson> My bad.
  3471. [14:18] <Tux> AWC?
  3472. [14:18] <+AgentJohnson> There is one.
  3473. [14:18] <@Tigernose> For = AWC Forum
  3474. [14:18] <iHF> Wait
  3475. [14:18] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote for
  3476. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted for 
  3477. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3478. [14:18] <Tux> !vote for
  3479. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  3480. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3481. [14:18] <+AgentJohnson> Last time I checked there wasn't a user blog.
  3482. [14:18] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  3483. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  3484. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3485. [14:18] <iHF> What are the options?
  3486. [14:18] <+AgentJohnson> !vote For
  3487. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted For 
  3488. 01[14:18] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3489. [14:18] <+PenblooeR> AJ, now there is
  3490. [14:19] <@Tigernose> For = AWC Forum
  3491. [14:19] <+Error504> !vote for
  3492. 01[14:19] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  3493. 01[14:19] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3494. [14:19] <+AgentJohnson> Ok.
  3495. [14:19] <iHF> !vote for
  3496. 01[14:19] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted for 
  3497. 01[14:19] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3498. [14:19] <iHF> Proposal tine
  3499. [14:19] <iHF> Time*
  3500. [14:19] <@Tigernose> Alright
  3501. [14:19] <Tux> K
  3502. [14:19] <@Tigernose> Go on then Tux
  3503. [14:19] <+NickelbackFan37> kk
  3504. [14:19] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  3505. 01[14:19] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  3506. [14:19] <Tux> --
  3507. [14:19] <+Error504> !votingoff
  3508. 01[14:19] <ErrorBot> 4Voting command off
  3509. [14:20] <@Sharkbate> Okay.
  3510. [14:20] <@Sharkbate> I've looked inside each of the music files for CPW
  3511. [14:20] <Tux> 1. Let's rename archives. Someone also proposed that it could be merged with the pool, but I don't like that.
  3512. [14:20] <@Sharkbate> should there be a page made with each song name?
  3513. [14:20] <@Sharkbate> and link?
  3514. [14:20] <iHF> Sharkbate Tux has the floor
  3515. [14:20] <@Sharkbate> Sea and I were talking about it
  3516. [14:20] <+Error504> There's a "Song name"?
  3517. [14:20] <@Tigernose> What do you mean?
  3518. [14:20] <@Sharkbate> okay, oops.
  3519. [14:20] <Tux> Okay
  3520. [14:20] <+NickelbackFan37> Yea I think.
  3521. [14:20] <@Tigernose> Rename Archives?
  3522. [14:20] <@Sharkbate> Yes
  3523. [14:20] <@Tigernose> the swf archives?
  3524. [14:20] <Tux> Correct
  3525. [14:21] <+PenblooeR> What's the problem with the current name?
  3526. [14:21] <+NickelbackFan37> idk?
  3527. [14:21] <+Error504> I don't care about the archives name as long as it works.
  3528. 03[14:21] * Tigernose changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | POST-AGENDA (1) Renamings SWF Archives wiki'
  3529. [14:21] <+PenblooeR> "Club Penguin Time Machine" lolno
  3530. [14:21] <Tux> !vote for
  3531. [14:21] <@Tigernose> Wow
  3532. [14:21] <@Tigernose> typo...
  3533. [14:21] <@Tigernose> so sleepy
  3534. [14:21] <+AgentJohnson> Keep it.
  3535. [14:21] <Tux> I suggest "Club Penguin Wiki SWF Archive"
  3536. [14:21] <Tux> !votingon
  3537. 01[14:21] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  3538. [14:21] <+NickelbackFan37> Rename.
  3539. [14:21] <Tux> Vote.
  3540. [14:21] <+AgentJohnson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeOSpw1epU
  3541. [14:21] <iHF> !vote against
  3542. 01[14:21] <ErrorBot> 3 iHF has voted against 
  3543. 01[14:21] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 0 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3544. [14:21] <Tux> !vote for
  3545. 01[14:21] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  3546. 01[14:21] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3547. [14:21] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote for
  3548. 01[14:21] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted for 
  3549. 01[14:21] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3550. [14:22] <+Error504> !vote abstain
  3551. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted abstain 
  3552. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 1 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  3553. [14:22] <iHF> No need
  3554. [14:22] <@Sharkbate> !vote against
  3555. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3 Sharkbate has voted against 
  3556. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 1 
  3557. [14:22] <+PenblooeR> !vote abstain
  3558. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted abstain 
  3559. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  3560. [14:22] <@Sharkbate> !rmvote
  3561. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 4 Sharkbate has removed their vote of 
  3562. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  3563. [14:22] <@Tigernose> !vote against
  3564. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted against 
  3565. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 2 
  3566. [14:22] <@Tigernose> What's the point
  3567. [14:22] <+AgentJohnson> !vote abstain
  3568. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3 AgentJohnson has voted abstain 
  3569. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 3 
  3570. [14:22] <@Sharkbate> !vote abstain
  3571. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3 Sharkbate has voted abstain 
  3572. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3573. [14:22] <@Sharkbate> I don't care.
  3574. [14:22] <+NickelbackFan37> !rmvote for
  3575. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 4 NickelbackFan37 has removed their vote of for 
  3576. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 3 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3577. [14:22] <Tux> Um, Sharkbate
  3578. [14:22] <Tux> !rmvote against
  3579. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 4 Tux has removed their vote of against 
  3580. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 4 
  3581. [14:22] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote abstain
  3582. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted abstain 
  3583. 01[14:22] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 2 14ABSTAIN: 5 
  3584. [14:22] <iHF> Wtf abstainers
  3585. [14:22] <@Tigernose> lol
  3586. [14:22] <@Tigernose> It's simple
  3587. [14:22] <@Tigernose> FOR vs AGAINST
  3588. [14:23] <iHF> This is so simple
  3589. [14:23] <@Sharkbate> I don't care what it's called
  3590. [14:23] <+Error504> neither do i
  3591. [14:23] <+PenblooeR> ^
  3592. [14:23] <@Sharkbate> that's why I voted abstain.
  3593. [14:23] <iHF> This is the easiest topic we've had
  3594. [14:23] <+NickelbackFan37> me neithr.
  3595. [14:23] <Tux> i know
  3596. [14:23] <+NickelbackFan37> neither*
  3597. [14:23] <+AgentJohnson> Next? Please?
  3598. [14:23] <iHF> So no name change?
  3599. [14:23] <@Tigernose> Yes
  3600. [14:23] <Tux> fine.
  3601. [14:23] <@Tigernose> Tux, anything else
  3602. [14:23] <Tux> okay
  3603. [14:23] <@Tigernose> VERDICT: No name change
  3604. [14:23] <@Sharkbate> Okay
  3605. [14:23] <+NickelbackFan37> ok.
  3606. [14:23] <Tux> did we discuss the pool issue earlier
  3607. [14:23] <+PenblooeR> The decisions made in previous meetings that still haven't been put in effect.
  3608. [14:23] <@Sharkbate> Can I put my little idea in?
  3609. [14:23] <+Error504> skipped it.
  3610. [14:24] <+AgentJohnson> I gtg.
  3611. [14:24] <+AgentJohnson> I have no further use here.
  3612. [14:24] <+AgentJohnson> Bye.
  3613. [14:24] <+Error504> cya
  3614. 02[14:24] * +AgentJohnson (5687c34f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.135.195.79) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  3615. [14:24] <+NickelbackFan37> cya
  3616. [14:24] <iHF> Go ahead Brother Sharkbate
  3617. [14:24] <iHF> Oh ha ha
  3618. [14:24] <@Sharkbate> Okay
  3619. [14:24] <Tux> umm
  3620. [14:24] <@Sharkbate> =P
  3621. [14:24] <+NickelbackFan37> :P
  3622. [14:24] <@Tigernose> Tux, we'll discuss image pool as staff
  3623. [14:24] <Tux> k
  3624. [14:24] <Tux> So staff meeting? Okay.
  3625. [14:24] <@Tigernose> yh
  3626. [14:24] <iHF> I'm rather useless at this point
  3627. [14:24] <Tux> I give the floor to Sharkbate
  3628. [14:24] <@Tigernose> just leave a talk message with a good time
  3629. [14:25] <iHF> When will the log be up?
  3630. 03[14:25] * Sharkbate changes topic to 'http://www.clubpenguinwiki.info/wiki/Club_Penguin_Wiki:Council | Do not vote until the discussion process is over. Vote command for ErrorBot: !vote <for|against|abstain>. To remove vote, use !rmvote <for|against|abstain> | POST-AGENDA (2) Music Page'
  3631. [14:25] <Tux> After the meeting is over
  3632. [14:25] <@Sharkbate> Anyway, each music SWF has an official name deep inside the file. This makes it easy for CP to choose their songs. Sea and I were talking and we think a page should be made with each CPW song on it.
  3633. [14:25] <iHF> Aight
  3634. [14:25] <@Sharkbate> not a page per song
  3635. [14:25] <iHF> Good meeting
  3636. [14:25] <@Sharkbate> but a page with every song on it
  3637. [14:25] <iHF> Bye
  3638. [14:25] <@Tigernose> yeah
  3639. [14:25] <@Sharkbate> Just simple.
  3640. [14:25] <+Error504> A list?
  3641. [14:25] <@Sharkbate> Bye
  3642. 02[14:25] * iHF (~ihf@99-72-154-135.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi)
  3643. [14:25] <@Tigernose> Music page seems good
  3644. [14:25] <@Tigernose> With a list
  3645. [14:25] <+PenblooeR> Sharkbate, how do you find that name?
  3646. [14:25] <+NickelbackFan37> good idea
  3647. [14:25] <@Sharkbate> Yes, pretty much.
  3648. [14:25] <+Error504> I support.
  3649. [14:25] <Tux> *CP song
  3650. [14:25] <+Error504> !clearvotes
  3651. 01[14:25] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  3652. 03[14:25] * Djf1107 (424df0c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.77.240.198) has joined #clubpenguinwiki-policycouncil
  3653. [14:25] <@Sharkbate> PenblooeR: I'd have to have flash to explain
  3654. [14:25] <+NickelbackFan37> support as well.
  3655. [14:25] <@Tigernose> !votingon
  3656. 01[14:25] <ErrorBot> 3Voting command on
  3657. [14:25] <@Tigernose> !vote for
  3658. 01[14:25] <ErrorBot> 3 Tigernose has voted for 
  3659. 01[14:25] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3660. [14:26] <@Sharkbate> but it's on my home computer
  3661. [14:26] <+Error504> !votefor
  3662. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted 
  3663. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 1 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3664. [14:26] <+NickelbackFan37> !vote for
  3665. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3 NickelbackFan37 has voted for 
  3666. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 2 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3667. [14:26] <+PenblooeR> !vote for
  3668. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3 PenblooeR has voted for 
  3669. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 3 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3670. [14:26] <Tux> yes, Wikia isn't good enough to find this out
  3671. [14:26] <Tux> lol
  3672. [14:26] <@Sharkbate> !vote for
  3673. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Sharkbate has voted for 
  3674. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 4 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3675. [14:26] <@Tigernose> You can vote from the start with these
  3676. [14:26] <@Tigernose> Makes it quicker
  3677. [14:26] <+Error504> !vote for
  3678. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Error504 has voted for 
  3679. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 5 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3680. [14:26] <Tux> !vote for
  3681. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Tux has voted for 
  3682. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3683. [14:26] <Djf1107> !vote for
  3684. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3 Djf1107 has voted for 
  3685. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 7 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3686. [14:26] <@Sharkbate> Okay.
  3687. [14:26] <@Sharkbate> I have one more idea
  3688. [14:26] <+Error504> !rmvote for
  3689. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 4 Error504 has removed their vote of for 
  3690. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 3FOR: 6 4AGAINST: 0 14ABSTAIN: 0 
  3691. [14:26] <Djf1107> Can I add somehing
  3692. [14:26] <+Error504> Djf doesn't even know what we just discussed.
  3693. [14:26] <@Tigernose> !clearvotes
  3694. 01[14:26] <ErrorBot> 4Vote count reset
  3695. [14:27] <@Tigernose> Yeah djf?
  3696. [14:27] <Djf1107> An app
  3697. [14:27] <+PenblooeR> Who would make that app?
  3698. [14:27] <+NickelbackFan37> yea?
  3699. [14:27] <+Error504> It's been brought up before, not at a meeting
  3700. [14:27] <@Tigernose> Hmm
  3701. [14:27] <Djf1107> The wiki
  3702. [14:27] <+PenblooeR> I suggested this some months ago. It could be interested, but I don't know anyone who knows how to make apps
  3703. [14:27] <+PenblooeR> interesting*
  3704. [14:27] <@Tigernose> Well it's easy just to use safari
  3705. [14:27] <@Sharkbate> I can.
  3706. [14:27] <@Sharkbate> It would take a while.
  3707. [14:27] <@Tigernose> To make an app you need a mac
  3708. [14:27] <+Error504> how about a CPW toolbar?
  3709. [14:27] <@Tigernose> and a 100 dollar license to develop
  3710. [14:28] <+PenblooeR> TN: How about apps for android?
  3711. [14:28] <@Sharkbate> Yeah
  3712. [14:28] <+NickelbackFan37> Can it be an Android app if it's ever made?
  3713. [14:28] <@Sharkbate> it costs lots of cash to put an app in the app store
  3714. [14:28] <@Tigernose> That works
  3715. [14:28] <@Tigernose> But it takes time
  3716. [14:28] <+PenblooeR> You don't need a Mac and you just pay 99 cents
  3717. [14:28] <@Tigernose> Do the benefits outweigh the risks?
  3718. [14:28] <+Error504> I say no.
  3719. [14:28] <+PenblooeR> Maybe if you put a price on it
  3720. [14:28] <Djf1107> Yea
  3721. [14:28] <+PenblooeR> I'd buy it to support the wiki
  3722. [14:28] <@Tigernose> *costs
  3723. [14:28] <+Error504> We're still not above the competition on Wikia
  3724. [14:28] <@Tigernose> not risks
  3725. [14:28] <+NickelbackFan37> Nah...
  3726. [14:28] <@Tigernose> It's too much hassle imo
  3727. [14:29] <+PenblooeR> Name it "The Ultmate Guide to Club Penguin" or something like that and newbies will certainly buy :P
  3728. [14:29] <Tux> yes
  3729. [14:29] <+NickelbackFan37> lol.
  3730. [14:29] <@Tigernose> lol
  3731. [14:29] <+Error504> xD
  3732. [14:29] <@Tigernose> It's still on the cards
  3733. [14:29] <Djf1107> Yes
  3734. [14:29] <+NickelbackFan37> xD
  3735. [14:29] <+Error504> but we need to have a guide in it somewhere to so they trust us
  3736. [14:29] <@Tigernose> Good idea djf
  3737. [14:29] <@Tigernose> Maybe not for now though
  3738. [14:30] <+NickelbackFan37> yea
  3739. [14:30] <Tux> I'll see if I can't get my hands on a more recent Mac
  3740. [14:30] <@Tigernose> Anything else?
  3741. [14:30] <+Error504> oh just a note, we're 16 articles away from 5000
  3742. [14:30] <Tux> As for Android, I can do that
  3743. [14:30] <+PenblooeR> App for android pl0x
  3744. [14:30] <@Tigernose> It's getting late and I need to make the summary for this
  3745. [14:30] <Djf1107> Vote
  3746. [14:30] <@Tigernose> Let's finish now if no one as anything leeft
  3747. [14:30] <+NickelbackFan37> Penblooe, agreed.
  3748. [14:30] <+NickelbackFan37> I have an Android.
  3749. [14:30] <Djf1107> Idea
  3750. [14:30] <+Error504> are we done?
  3751. [14:30] <+PenblooeR> I'd buy it for sure
  3752. [14:30] <@Tigernose> Yeah
  3753. [14:30] <+NickelbackFan37> i guess?
  3754. [14:30] <@Tigernose> If you can make an Android app
  3755. [14:30] <@Tigernose> Awesome
  3756. [14:30] <+PenblooeR> If we're going to make an app, make a lite version and a paid version with more info
  3757. [14:30] <@Tigernose> It's fine by all of us
  3758. [14:31] <@Tigernose> ANY MORE SUGGESTIONS?
  3759. [14:31] <+Error504> 3 hours mark of the meeting.
  3760. [14:31] <+NickelbackFan37> Not me.
  3761. [14:31] <+Error504> nothing to say
  3762. [14:31] <+PenblooeR> 3:30
  3763. [14:31] <@Sharkbate> This isn't needed, but I believe the YouTube channel and Facebook page need to be more active
  3764. [14:31] <@Tigernose> We started at 7:30
  3765. [14:31] <@Sharkbate> But not much can be done with them
  3766. [14:31] <+Error504> Pen, I didn't count the 1st 30 mins that was disputed
  3767. [14:31] <+NickelbackFan37> We can work on that I guess.
  3768. [14:31] <+Error504> we got Twitter solved :)
  3769. [14:31] <+PenblooeR> Yes, we should totally have an Android app.
  3770. [14:31] <+NickelbackFan37> :)
  3771. [14:31] <Djf1107> Sharkbates making ppb I think it should be on cpwn
  3772. [14:31] <+Error504> But nobody is giving us @s and stuff
  3773. [14:32] <+Error504> Almost like talking to nobody with 415 followers.
  3774. [14:32] <+Error504> guess it'll take time.
  3775. [14:32] <@Tigernose> Alright well you guys can still discuss
  3776. [14:32] <+NickelbackFan37> 415!!!!!!!!
  3777. [14:32] <@Tigernose> But I need to make the summary today :P
  3778. [14:32] <@Tigernose> Let's end the transcript now, Error
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