Session Start: Mon Jun 11 02:08:28 2012
Session Ident: Fraxtil
[02:08] <Jousway> so why am I banned?
[02:09] <Fraxtil> in short, a majority of people on the server (not naming names for obvious reasons) were in favor of banning you because of your overall attitude and how you treat certain people
[02:10] <Jousway> r21 people I guess?
[02:10] <Fraxtil> no, this has nothing to do with sm maxx or anyone else on r21
[02:11] <Jousway> then I'm confused...
[02:11] <Jousway> like I only hanged around blacksoda
[02:11] <Jousway> and bairly talked in it so its ???
[02:11] <Jousway> the only reason I could think of was what happend on r21 so :/
[02:12] <Fraxtil> it wasn't necessarily about anyone you interacted with in #blacksoda but i can't safely be any more specific than that
[02:13] <Fraxtil> if you really want to get back in, all i can tell you is to think about the reasons above (vague as they may be) and ask at a later date
[02:13] <Jousway> like it still doesnt make sense to me, like I cant see a reason why, I know I can be a total douch bag and say harsh stuff, but what does that have to do with me being banned from the irc
[02:14] <Jousway> like nothing happend related to the irc
[02:14] <Fraxtil> as i said before, it wasn't anything specific to blacksoda
[02:14] <Fraxtil> but my server has one rule: "don't be a dick"
[02:14] <Fraxtil> and the majority seemed to agree that you were
[02:15] <Jousway> so becaue these people have a "problem" with me which is unrelated to your irc, like I havent been a dick on your irc, like can you show me a log of when I was a dick on your irc, so yeah
[02:15] <Jousway> I just hanged around blacksoda so yeah
[02:17] <Fraxtil> i don't know what to tell you; i'd say ask the people who complained about your presence, but that would involve naming names and that's not something i'm able to do
[02:18] <Jousway> its like, lets say you created shit on an forum and got banned from another forum because there are people from the forum where you created on that forum, while on the second forum you didnt create shit at all
[02:18] <Jousway> do you know how, I actually cant think of a word for it
[02:18] <Jousway> the best thing I can think of is lame
[02:19] <Fraxtil> again, there's not much i can respond with because of the nature of the ban :\
[02:21] <Fraxtil> i wish i had a more specific / less 'lame' reason for you than "many people complained about your presence on the server" but that's ultimately why the ban is in place and if I lift it it'll just create more drama
[02:21] <Jousway> like you said its "it wasn't necessarily about anyone you interacted with in #blacksoda" so the only place I actually went, the only place I was bairly active, I didnt have any problems, like I dont know if you can correct me, but from what I see is there where people that see me as a dick, and didnt want me as a dick, while I have nothing, absolutly nothing related to them, not even speak with them on the irc, but because they think I'm a dick I got banned, so again, why did I get banned?
[02:22] <Fraxtil> i've said all i can say already
[02:22] <Jousway> so you dont think its a lame reason?
[02:24] <Jousway> like most people I hang around with in blacksoda, are also on shakesoda on chatspike
[02:24] <Fraxtil> "absolutly nothing related to them" - many people on the channel are stepmania players, many of them know about you from the stepmania forums / channels / etc., so more of them know about you than you might assume
[02:24] <Jousway> so it cant be related to blacksoda
[02:25] <Jousway> yes, they know me from stepmania forums, so I got banned from an irc where I didnt act like a dick, becuase they see me act like a dick on forums
[02:25] <Jousway> and thats a lame reson
[02:25] <Jousway> reason*
[02:25] <Jousway> if drama happens on one forum, you should keep it on that forum, you should take it from one forum to another, to bad maxx doesnt see that
[02:26] <Jousway> and its the same with IRC
[02:26] <Jousway> shouldnt*
[02:26] <Jousway> its like a basic internet rule from way back
[02:26] <Jousway> to bad some people cant stick to it :V
[02:27] <Fraxtil> perhaps a desire to keep drama from spreading is part of why people were in favor of banning you
[02:27] <Fraxtil> although that's speculative on my part
[02:28] <Jousway> to bad I'm the kind of person that wont spread the drama, but still people asume I do because its like an "internet standard" these days to spread drama
[02:28] <Fraxtil> you responded to maxx on r21freak
[02:28] <Fraxtil> so i'm inclined to disagree
[02:29] <Jousway> because I was mad at him that he kept trashtalking about me on unrelated forums
[02:29] <Jousway> he was the one that started it, you cant deny that
[02:29] <Fraxtil> i'm not
[02:29] <Jousway> like I said in that post, if he has a problem with me on stepmania.com
[02:29] <Jousway> he should keep it on stepmania.com
[02:29] <Fraxtil> i agree with you on that matter
[02:29] <Jousway> but instead he has to make insulting posts about me on r21
[02:29] <Fraxtil> but, again, maxx isn't the subject of the irc ban
[02:30] <Jousway> if you expect me to be all nice and not mad about it when people link me the thread in irc showing that maxx is trash talking me on a unrelated forum
[02:30] <Jousway> well sorry I'll get mad
[02:30] <Jousway> if I did the same to you, wouldnt you get mad?
[02:31] <Fraxtil> i have to go to dinner now so i'm disconnecting for the moment, but if you must, we can continue this conversation when i get back
[02:31] <Jousway> k
Session Close: Mon Jun 11 08:59:42 2012