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  1. Hookshot Skip Timing Attempt (not perfect, but will be decent approximation)
  2.  
  3. Hookshot:
  4.  
  5. * Note: hookshot route does faster equips in these timings than in reality; hookshot skip route saves time on equips by skipping ocarina equip after catching zora egg, edit: subtract .5s because now it does egg 2nd (164.4 - .5 = 163.9)
  6. Zora Mask -> HESS + Superswim to PF -> fast 3 bomb -> HESS -> Egg -> Hookshot = 28.1 + 55.6 + 80.7 = 164.4
  7. Zora Mask -> HESS + Superswim to PF = ???
  8. Zora Mask -> equip: Zora, Deku -> HESS + Superswim to PF = 30.5 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/164711811?t=1h56m)
  9. Zora Mask -> Deku -? HESS + Superswim to PF = 30.5 - 2.4 = 28.1
  10. Enter PF -> fast 3 bomb -> Enter inner PF = 55.6 (ennopp 1:21:36; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJDlIPShO5Q)
  11. Enter inner PF -> enter Hookshot -> equip: bottle -> Hookshot = 80.7 (sausage https://www.twitch.tv/videos/164711811?t=1h57m)
  12.  
  13.  
  14. Exit Zora Hall as Zora -> 1 Pause Fairy Pirate CS Skip -> Hookshot Turtle = 31.2 + 23.5 = 54.7
  15. Exit as Zora -> Sidehop for PCS = 31.24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ips9SFbo2HE)
  16. Sidehop for PCS -> Hookshot Turtle -> stop walking in GBT = 23.51 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169210682?t=4h38m55s)
  17.  
  18.  
  19. * Is Woodfall hover slight different because of chu for turtle hover? Actually Woodfall hover is the same. Hookshot Skip loses 1.5s during swamp gossips. (Sausage timed this)
  20.  
  21.  
  22. Note: Start/Stop Timing when each door is about "1 foot" above the ground when it's closing
  23. Enter Woodfall -> hookshot to main room -> hookshot torch -> enter door = 11.8 + 6.18 = 17.98
  24. Control after Enter Woodfall -> hookshot -> enter door = 14.20 - 2.4 = 11.8 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169210682?t=52h38m30s)
  25. Enter door -> hookshot -> enter door = 10.4 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169210682?t=5h38m50s)
  26. Enter door -> hookshot -> damage from torch = 6.18 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/169210682?t=5h38m50s) * Use this
  27.  
  28.  
  29. * Hookshot Skip Loses about .5s to FFAE (Sausage)
  30.  
  31. * Note: subtract .6 to subtract the textbox to be consistent with hookshot skip timing: (35.27; 38.9)
  32. Enter Snowhead -> Actionswap -> Scarecrow Skip -> Enter Wizrobe = 16.3 + 19.57 -.6 = 35.27 (human will never be this good)
  33. Enter Snowhead -> Bomb + Arrow Drop -> Melt Ice -> Enter Door = 16.3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC17Zdg_m1g)
  34. Enter Door -> Scarecrow Skip -> Arrow drop + Enter Wizrobe = 37.87 - 5.6 - 12.7 = 19.57 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yFIrrJcz08)
  35. Control after Enter Snowhead -> no icicles -> Scarecrow Skip -> Enter Wizrobe = 41.2 - 1.7 - .6 = 38.9 (more realistic; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkHm0KrDLpc)
  36.  
  37.  
  38. Exit Wizrobe -> hookshot torch -> bridge hover -> Control After Upstairs = 26.05 - 2.05 = 24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC17Zdg_m1g)
  39. Control after Upstairs -> Store SoT -> gain control = 18.6 (stopped timing when he started moving; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbO9Cxcr1UQ&t=1h04m40s)
  40.  
  41.  
  42. New Cycle -> SoS Stone Tower = ??? (23? Make sure you are consistent with this part...; ignore this for now and say soars cancel and assume zora movement into stt is negligible for now)
  43.  
  44.  
  45. Enter Mirror Room -> Weirdshot -> Enter Air Draft Room = 16.6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yFIrrJcz08)
  46.  
  47.  
  48. Enter Air Draft Room -> Weirdshot -> Enter Garo = 15.64 - 3.45 = 12.19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLhDKcX9pQg)
  49.  
  50.  
  51. Enter ISTT -> SoT Storage -> Sun Block Clip + Recoil -> Eyegore -> Beamos -> Bomb + magic drop -> Enter twinmold = 8 + 46.54 + 27.55 = 82.09
  52. Enter ISTT -> SoT Storage -> gain control = 8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJDlIPShO5Q&t=1h07m40s)
  53.  
  54. Control after SoT Storage -> Sunblock Clip + Recoil -> Eyegore -> Enter Door = 69.18 - 3.7 - 1 = 64.48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJDlIPShO5Q) edit: this must have been a typo
  55. Redo: Control after SoT Storage -> Sunblock Clip + Recoil -> Eyegore -> Enter Door = 51.24 - 3.7 - 1 = 46.54(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJDlIPShO5Q)
  56.  
  57. Enter Door -> Weirdshot beamos unbuffered -> bomb + magic drop -> Enter twinmold = 27.55 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDe5AURCf9Y)
  58.  
  59.  
  60.  
  61.  
  62. Hookshot Skip:
  63.  
  64. * Note: In reality, you don't have bomb already, but the corresponding timing above did have bomb already
  65. Zora Mask -> Hess + Superswim to PR -> PR egg = 21.8 + 46.34 = 68.14
  66. Zora Mask -> HESS + Superswim to PR = 13.96 + 1.5 + 6.34 = 21.8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BribUdQqg9U; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlYbBsU_UQg)
  67. Enter PR -> equip: bremen bottle -> egg = 46.34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkn8vcz1nsw)
  68.  
  69.  
  70. Exit Zora Hall as Zora -> Turtle Hover -> turn human if zora ledge grab -> watch Pirate CS = 13 + 67 = 80
  71. Control After Exiting Zora Hall as Zora -> Start CS = 16.01 - (1.5 + .5 + 1) = 13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfjtynHx0zg)
  72. Pirate Cutscene Start -> Link Stops walking in GBT = 67 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/168984354?t=8h30m)
  73.  
  74.  
  75. * Is Woodfall hover slight different because of chu for turtle hover? Actually Woodfall hover is the same, but we just wait to hover off of the swamp gossips root. This wastes 1.5s.
  76.  
  77.  
  78. Enter Woodfall -> mega to main room -> torch mega -> enter door = ??? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWnKMzmtexY&t=8m15s)
  79. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1RrLvJ4qsA&t=37m55s)
  80. Worst case, bomb + mega can make it
  81. Enter Woodfall -> mega to main room = 19.66 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsHmdKi_uBA)
  82. Enter main room -> torch mega -> damage from torch = 12.0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKFjOGm3aEo)
  83.  
  84.  
  85.  
  86. * Hookshot Skip Loses about .5s to FFAE (sausage; hookshot skip FFAE also uses 2 fewer chus)
  87.  
  88.  
  89. Enter Snowhead -> Bridge Zora Jump -> Elevator Hover -> Arrow Drop + Enter Wizrobe = 25.6 + 28.95 = 54.55
  90. Enter Snowhead, turn zora -> Bomb Drop w/ barrier -> Open Door, jump as zora, go upstairs = ???
  91. Enter Snowhead, turn zora -> no icicles -> Open Door, jump as zora, go upstairs = 25.6
  92. control after go upstairs -> elevator hover -> door -> long jumps -> Arrow Drop + enter wizrobe = 28.95 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX8tyUSCPrM)
  93.  
  94.  
  95. Exit Wizrobe -> Store SoT -> Long Jump -> Melt Ice (JP) -> Upstairs -> Bridge Hover w/ mega = 17.85 + 37.3 = 55.15
  96. Exit Wizrobe -> Arrow Drop + Store SoT -> gain control = 17.85 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkG7eoh5V10)
  97. Control after SoT Stored -> Long Jump -> Melt Ice -> Upstairs = ??? = X
  98. Upstairs -> Bridge Hover w/ mega -> Upstairs + gain control = ??? = Y
  99. X + Y = 37.3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3MZMftDMyM)
  100.  
  101.  
  102. New Cycle -> turn Zora -> ECT Chest -> 10 bombs + 20 Chus -> SoS Stone Tower = ???
  103. New Cycle -> turn Zora -> ECT Chest -> 10 bombs + 20 Chus -> turn human = 53 + 1.5 = 54.5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7uRWzUCB4&t=56m20s)
  104.  
  105.  
  106. Enter Mirror Room -> Sun Block Hover -> Enter Air Draft Room = 19.7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arJjfulkWUg)
  107.  
  108. * Note: This could be optimized some more
  109. Enter Air Draft Room -> Recoils -> Enter Garo = 1.5 + 16.9 + 1.85 - 3.4 = 16.85 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9KCAx74JHA)
  110.  
  111.  
  112. Enter ISTT -> magic drop + Long Jump -> hover BK Skip -> Enter Twinmold = 18.65 + 36.85 = 55.5
  113. Enter ISTT -> magic drop + Long Jump -> Enter door = 18.65 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVU3tmuzEI)
  114. Enter door -> store SoT, gain control = ??? = A
  115. Control after SoT storage -> hover BK Skip -> Enter Twinmold = ??? = B
  116. A + B = 36.85 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bz6F2NScuU)
  117.  
  118.  
  119. ---
  120.  
  121.  
  122. (now if we include fast cycle 5...)
  123.  
  124. Hookshot:
  125.  
  126. * Note: Rough but close enough
  127. Time for 2nd nejiron bomb drop = 3.66 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJDlIPShO5Q)
  128.  
  129. Drop Bugs after bomb drop in room before twinmold = 6.6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJDlIPShO5Q&t=34m01s)
  130.  
  131. New Cycle -> Dog Hover into Clock Tower = 9.97 + 16.74 = 26.71 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsoDxcIBgpQ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2y2K7SKLY)
  132.  
  133. Enter Moon -> Superslide to Majora = 9.10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLhDKcX9pQg&t=1h19m01s)
  134.  
  135.  
  136. Hookshot Cycle 5 = 3.66 + 6.6 + 26.71 + 9.10 = 46.07
  137.  
  138.  
  139.  
  140. Hookshot Skip:
  141.  
  142. New Cycle -> Chu Hover into Clock Tower = 13.86 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOwH8CJw0Iw)
  143.  
  144. * Note: Both of these timings could be optimized more by talking to Majora kid faster, esp the backwalk hess timing
  145. Enter Moon -> Chu HESS to Majora = 9.5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owb3GEF6xsY)
  146. Enter Moon -> backwalk Chu HESS to Majora = 11.5? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6jblDqpUl0&)
  147.  
  148.  
  149.  
  150. Hookshot Skip Cycle 5 = 13.86 + 9.5 = 23.36
  151.  
  152.  
  153. Net Cycle 5 = 46.07 - 23.36 = 22.71 saved in hookshot skip route if fast cycle 5
  154.  
  155.  
  156. =============================================
  157.  
  158.  
  159. ===========================================================================================================
  160.  
  161. ADDING IT ALL TOGETHER:
  162.  
  163. NWBN = (68.14) - 164.4 = -96.16
  164.  
  165. Turtle Hover = 80 - 54.7 = 25.3
  166.  
  167. swamp gossips = 1.5
  168.  
  169. woodfall room 1 = (19.66) - 11.8 = 7.86
  170.  
  171. woodfall room 2 = 12 - 6.18 = 5.82
  172.  
  173. ffae = .5
  174.  
  175. Snowhead (inhuman scarecrow skip) = (54.55 + 55.15) - (35.27 + 24 + 18.6) = 31.83
  176. *Snowhead (closer to human scarecrow skip) = (54.55 + 55.15) - (38.9 + 24 + 18.6) = 28.2
  177.  
  178. getting to stt = 54.5
  179.  
  180. STT = (19.7 + 16.85) - (16.6 + 12.19) = 7.76
  181.  
  182. ISTT = (55.5) - (82.09) = -26.59
  183.  
  184. fast cycle 5 = 23.36 - 46.07 = -22.17
  185.  
  186.  
  187.  
  188. -96.16 + 25.3 + 1.5 + 7.86 + 5.82 + .5 + 31.83 + 54.5 + 7.76 - 26.59 - 22.17 = -9.85
  189.  
  190. With more realistic scarecrow skip timing, closer to -9.85 - 3.63 = -13.48
  191.  
  192.  
  193. Even after fixing my typo, hookshot skip is still faster!
  194. ==========================
  195.  
  196.  
  197. BUT...
  198.  
  199. Hookshot route and hookshot skip can opt to do the same ISTT route.....
  200.  
  201. 54.5 - 22.17 - 26.07 = 6.26 for hookshot route to do bomb shop trip and keep chus for cycle 5
  202.  
  203. Hookshot route would actually still be 6.26s slower if it did a bomb shop trip
  204.  
  205.  
  206.  
  207.  
  208. ======================================================================================
  209.  
  210.  
  211.  
  212.  
  213.  
  214.  
  215.  
  216.  
  217.  
  218.  
  219. Equips:
  220.  
  221. edit: hookshot route saves an additonal .5s because of egg after hookshot, this is accounted for above (sausage/sample)
  222.  
  223. Hookshot:
  224.  
  225. Cycle 2
  226.  
  227. Ocarina Bomb Chu
  228.  
  229. Swamp Gossips
  230.  
  231. Ocarina Bomb Deku
  232.  
  233. Goron Village on Map
  234.  
  235. Ocarina Bottle Deku
  236.  
  237. Pause for Woodfall CS Skip
  238.  
  239. Ocarina Bomb Deku
  240.  
  241. Push Mikau
  242.  
  243. Ocarina Bottle Bremen
  244.  
  245. Zora Mask
  246.  
  247. Zora Bomb Deku
  248.  
  249. Shoot Beehive
  250.  
  251. Ocarina Bottle.B Zora
  252.  
  253. (dupes)
  254.  
  255. NWBN CS Skip
  256.  
  257. Zora Bottle.B Ocarina
  258.  
  259. TCS Buffer
  260.  
  261. Zora Bottle.B Hook
  262.  
  263. (PCS Buffer leaves you with Zora Bomb Hook)
  264.  
  265. Gyorg
  266.  
  267. Ocarina Bomb Chu
  268.  
  269. Enter Woodfall
  270.  
  271. Ocarina Zora Hook
  272.  
  273. Store SoT
  274.  
  275. Bomb Zora Chu
  276.  
  277. Enter Odolwa
  278.  
  279. Bomb Bow Ocarina
  280.  
  281. Last Hit on Odolwa
  282.  
  283. Ocarina Zora Bomb
  284.  
  285. Deku Stick
  286.  
  287. Bomb Zora Chu
  288.  
  289. Enter Snowhead
  290.  
  291. Bomb Hook Stick
  292.  
  293. Exit Wizrobe
  294.  
  295. Bomb Hook Chu
  296.  
  297. Store SoT
  298.  
  299. Bomb Fire Chu
  300.  
  301. Melt Goht
  302.  
  303. Ocarina Bow Bottle
  304.  
  305. Pause for SoT
  306.  
  307. Ocarina Zora Bottle
  308.  
  309. Enter STT
  310.  
  311. Bomb Zora Hook
  312.  
  313. Enter Garo
  314.  
  315. Bomb Fire Hook
  316.  
  317. Deathwarp
  318.  
  319. Bomb Light Ocarina =================================== Slow Cycle 5
  320.  
  321. Store SoT
  322.  
  323. Bomb Hook Fire
  324.  
  325. Blue
  326.  
  327. Bomb Zora Light + SoT
  328.  
  329. ===
  330.  
  331. Deathwarp
  332.  
  333. Bomb Light Bottle =================================== Fast Cycle 5
  334.  
  335. Pick up Rock, drop 3 bombs, catch bugs
  336.  
  337. Bomb Bugs Bomb(light slot)
  338.  
  339. Dupe Bombs
  340.  
  341. Ocarina Hook Bomb(light slot)
  342.  
  343. Weirdshot Beamos, bomb drop
  344.  
  345. Bugs Fire Bomb(light slot)
  346.  
  347. Drop Bugs
  348.  
  349. Hook Fire Bomb(light slot)
  350.  
  351. Blue
  352.  
  353. Light Ocarina Bomb(light slot) + SoT
  354.  
  355. Superslide
  356.  
  357. Light Zora Bomb(light slot)
  358.  
  359.  
  360.  
  361.  
  362.  
  363.  
  364.  
  365. Hookshot Skip:
  366.  
  367. Cycle 2
  368.  
  369. Ocarina Bomb Chu
  370.  
  371. Swamp Gossips
  372.  
  373. Ocarina Bomb Deku
  374.  
  375. Goron Village on Map
  376.  
  377. Ocarina Bottle Deku
  378.  
  379. Pause for Woodfall CS Skip
  380.  
  381. Ocarina Bomb Deku
  382.  
  383. Push Mikau
  384.  
  385. Ocarina Bottle Bremen
  386.  
  387. Zora Mask
  388.  
  389. Zora Bomb Deku
  390.  
  391. PR Egg
  392.  
  393. Zora Bottle.B Deku
  394.  
  395. (dupes)
  396.  
  397. NWBN CS Skip
  398.  
  399. Zora Bottle.B Ocarina
  400.  
  401. TCS buffer
  402.  
  403. Zora Bomb Chu
  404.  
  405. Gyorg
  406.  
  407. Ocarina Bomb Chu
  408.  
  409. Enter Woodfall
  410.  
  411. Ocarina Bomb Zora
  412.  
  413. Store SoT
  414.  
  415. Bomb Zora Chu
  416.  
  417. Enter Odolwa
  418.  
  419. Bomb Bow Ocarina
  420.  
  421. Last Hit on Odolwa
  422.  
  423. Ocarina Zora Bomb
  424.  
  425. Deku Stick
  426.  
  427. Bomb Zora Chu
  428.  
  429. Enter Wizrobe
  430.  
  431. Bomb Stick Chu
  432.  
  433. Store SoT
  434.  
  435. Bomb Fire Chu
  436.  
  437. Melt Goht
  438.  
  439. Ocarina Bow Chu
  440.  
  441. Pause for SoT
  442.  
  443. Ocarina Zora Bottle
  444.  
  445. Enter STT
  446.  
  447. Bomb Zora Chu
  448.  
  449. Enter Garo
  450.  
  451. Bomb Fire Chu
  452.  
  453. Deathwarp
  454.  
  455. Bomb Light Ocarina ======================== Slow Cycle 5
  456.  
  457. Store SoT
  458.  
  459. Bomb Fire Chu
  460.  
  461. Blue
  462.  
  463. Bomb Zora Light + SoT
  464.  
  465. ===
  466.  
  467. Deathwarp
  468.  
  469. Bomb Light Bottle =================================== Fast Cycle 5
  470.  
  471. Pick up Rock, drop 3 bombs, catch bugs
  472.  
  473. Chu Bugs Chu(light slot)
  474.  
  475. Dupe Chus
  476.  
  477. Ocarina Bomb Chu(light slot)
  478.  
  479. Store SoT
  480.  
  481. Fire Bomb Chu(light slot)
  482.  
  483. Blue
  484.  
  485. Light Ocarina Chu(light slot) + SoT
  486.  
  487. Chu HESS
  488.  
  489. Light Zora Chu (light slot)
  490.  
  491.  
  492. --------
  493.  
  494. With Fast Cycle 5, Hookshot Skip saves an additional equip over Hookshot Route
  495.  
  496. Hookshot has 22 up to garo, not including PCS buffer equip
  497. Hookshot Skip has 21 up to garo
  498.  
  499. Overall, with optimal route, Hookshot Skip Saves 2 pauses for equips (not including PCS equip in hookshot route)
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