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  1. [15:15] LeeroyJenkins Will Bayonetta be OP?
  2. [15:15] LeeroyJenkins Even without customs?
  3. [15:16] Timson that's what people said about palutena
  4. [15:16] DekZek Probably, with easy damage racking and comboing abilities
  5. [15:16] Timson "DAT UP SMASH"
  6. [15:16] Timson release will probably be different from trailer
  7. [15:16] DekZek So good at edgeguarding
  8. [15:16] Timson the trailer generally doesn't show the 4389278978934 years of endlag most characters have on their moves
  9. [15:17] DekZek It makes them look less awesome
  10. [15:17] Timson they get you so hyped up
  11. [15:17] Timson and then you buy a shitty character like mewtwo
  12. [15:17] DekZek They don't want another MK
  13. [15:18] Timson you know what smash 4 devs need to not do?
  14. [15:18] Timson kneejerk nerf OP characters and then introduce more shitty characters or even more OP characters who then get heavily buffed or nerfed respectively
  15. [15:20] Timson I hope Bayonetta is as deep a character as Ryu/ZSS, and not completely butchered without customs carrying her like Palutena
  16. [15:20] Timson but then again I did quit Smash 4
  17. [15:20] Timson so idrc
  18. [15:20] MandL27 so what brought you to stopping ssb4?
  19. [15:25] Timson plateauing, lack of interest in game, lack of drive to improve
  20. [15:25] Timson although I will admit that replaying it recently, Mario has been fun for me
  21. [15:25] Timson I still don't have the drive to get better in it though
  22. [16:08] StarCraft Smash 4 is conservative confirmed?
  23. [16:11] StarCraft All the conservatives like Brawl and Smash 4?
  24. [16:12] Timson .....
  25. [16:13] StarCraft Sorry, I just have a different ideology.
  26. [16:14] StarCraft So sorry about that Timson.
  27. [16:15] Timson I never called Smash 4 "bad" here, all I said was "I don't want to improve in it right now"
  28. [16:15] DekZek For the character splash screens, which licenses should they go under?
  29. [16:15] StarCraft DekZek: Example?
  30. [16:16] LeeroyJenkins But Palutena sucks.
  31. [16:16] LeeroyJenkins At least, competitive wise.
  32. [16:16] LeeroyJenkins And Diddy Kong, well...
  33. [16:16] LeeroyJenkins R.I.P. Diddy at the initial release
  34. [16:17] Timson Diddy Kong is still good
  35. [16:17] StarCraft Diddy Kong is still viable.
  36. [16:17] StarCraft Its just that the Smash devs want Sheik to be the best. Kappa.
  37. [16:17] LeeroyJenkins Yeah, but obviously worse than at the beginning, even though Mr. Sakurai did the right thing to balance the game.
  38. [16:20] StarCraft The game is pretty balanced as is since the Diddy Kong nerf.
  39. [16:21] LeeroyJenkins Face it, despite Sakurai's intention, Sm4sh will never be balanced, especially since the DLC characters still lack customs.
  40. [16:21] StarCraft So generally, everybody is balanced, even Sheik.
  41. [16:21] LeeroyJenkins Yeah, no.
  42. [16:21] LeeroyJenkins Like I said, no customs for you-know-who.
  43. [16:21] LeeroyJenkins Unless the metagame bans customs, then I guess we'll be a-okay.
  44. [16:22] LeeroyJenkins I mean we'll NOT be a-okay.
  45. [16:23] StarCraft Customs are banned.
  46. [16:23] LeeroyJenkins No, they're not. I've seen them used in tournaments.
  47. [16:23] LeeroyJenkins Besides, you have the Official Custom Moveset Project.
  48. [16:23] LeeroyJenkins I think that's what it's called.
  49. [16:24] StarCraft Well say for the non-custom metagame, the metagame seems pretty balance then.
  50. [16:24] LeeroyJenkins Problem: no custom metagame is non-existent. Current metagame allows customs.
  51. [16:25] StarCraft Don't get me started on how Melee's more balance.
  52. [16:25] StarCraft Although only having 8 characters is ok.
  53. [16:25] LeeroyJenkins Melee is NOT balanced by an inch.
  54. [16:25] LeeroyJenkins Given how Roy is much slower than Marth and that he has no increase in power to make up for it, it's definitely beyond unbalanced.
  55. [16:26] LeeroyJenkins Only Smash 4 is balanced.
  56. [16:26] StarCraft Yeah, that's why we call this Social darwinism.
  57. [16:26] LeeroyJenkins Almost
  58. [16:26] LeeroyJenkins And our boy is quote unquote garbage in Melee
  59. [16:26] StarCraft True to every fighting game, but especially for melee.
  60. [16:27] LeeroyJenkins Not Smash 4.
  61. [16:27] LeeroyJenkins He's awesome in that game, and he doesn't even need customs.
  62. [16:27] StarCraft Well he was terrible to begin with in Melee like you said.
  63. [16:28] StarCraft So therefore buff him.
  64. [16:28] LeeroyJenkins You said true to EVERY fighting game, so it sounded like you meant Sm4sh, too.
  65. [16:28] LeeroyJenkins But even in his own game, his stats were garbage.
  66. [16:28] StarCraft Smash 4 averts Social Dawinism.
  67. [16:29] StarCraft But there are still (going to be) tiers.
  68. [16:29] LeeroyJenkins Exactly.
  69. [16:29] StarCraft Like its balanced.
  70. [16:29] LeeroyJenkins Weird how Roy goes from garbage to amazing while Mewtwo goes from garbage to worse than garbage.
  71. [16:30] LeeroyJenkins From Melee to Sm4sh, I mean.
  72. [16:30] StarCraft Everybody is going to be used some way or another.
  73. [16:30] StarCraft Except Mewtwo.
  74. [16:30] LeeroyJenkins Like I said, it's worse than garbage.
  75. [16:30] StarCraft Beat me to the punch.
  76. [16:31] StarCraft Seriously Mewtwo needs major buffs.
  77. [16:31] LeeroyJenkins In the last update?
  78. [16:32] StarCraft Yeah, but is this enough to make her somewhat wsable?
  79. [16:33] StarCraft And yes, I did intend to use "her".
  80. [16:33] StarCraft *usable?
  81. [16:34] LeeroyJenkins Well, cross your fingers, because this is Sakurai's last chance.
  82. [16:34] LeeroyJenkins If you wanna cry, feel free. We're all depressed.
  83. [16:35] LeeroyJenkins By the game's end of the road.
  84. [16:35] LeeroyJenkins Even I am, despite me not liking the game very much.
  85. [16:35] Timson Roy is not amazing in smash 4 by any stretch of the means
  86. [16:36] Timson he's good and fun to play as
  87. [16:36] Timson but not amazing
  88. [16:36] StarCraft Smash 4 is kinda bland imo.
  89. [16:36] StarCraft I don't play it all that too much nowadays.
  90. [16:36] LeeroyJenkins Better than Melee, though. Hopefully he's not garbage tier (just kidding, it's bottom tier) like in Melee.
  91. [16:36] Timson he's low tier in melee
  92. [16:37] Timson he's like top of low tier just because he can hold his own against Fox and Falco lol
  93. [16:37] Timson but he gets destroyed by everyone else
  94. [16:37] LeeroyJenkins Pardon me, you're right.
  95. [16:37] LeeroyJenkins Only Pichu, Bowser, and Ness do bad against him. Everybody else is just gonna destroy Sethlon should he ever fight.
  96. [16:38] Timson Roy's best neutral game option is to try to catch stupid people jumping with side B/DD grab and then convert off that
  97. [16:38] Timson or dtilt but he doesn't have that ground mobility that Marth has
  98. [16:39] LeeroyJenkins His SHFFL is one thing. Problem is that it's negligible due to his shitty aerial combat.
  99. [16:39] Timson Roy can't combo floaties for shit, that's the problem. up air is way too weak, fair doesn't lead into anything on floaties, dtilt just makes it harder for roy to reach floaties
  100. [16:39] Timson lol people overrate his SHFFL
  101. [16:39] Timson if he had like a lingering hitbox to go with that SHFFL maybe it would be passable
  102. [16:39] LeeroyJenkins Also, he's lightweight, and easy to combo.
  103. [16:39] LeeroyJenkins And his recovery is the second worst in the game.
  104. [16:39] Timson but he's still a sword guy
  105. [16:40] LeeroyJenkins Even with the range, the hitbox placements negate that.
  106. [16:40] LeeroyJenkins weak tipper, my ass
  107. [16:40] Timson lol
  108. [16:40] DekZek Now that I am back on...
  109. [16:40] DekZek http://www.ssbwiki.com/Category:Reveal_splash_art_(SSB4)
  110. [16:40] Timson I remember back in high school I came home to see OT writing a massive 874391479808943789-byte wall on Roy (SSBM) talking about how much Roy sucks and has a "wet noodle" sword
  111. [16:41] DekZek Lol
  112. [16:41] Timson like I seriously think he used "wet noodle" word for word
  113. [16:41] Timson and "'slap' the opponent"
  114. [16:41] LeeroyJenkins Yup. People say that a lot: "Marth has a strong blade with Roy has a freaking wet noodle for a sword."
  115. [16:41] LeeroyJenkins Barely any usage for his tip, so yes.
  116. [16:41] Timson well at least wet noodles float instead of sinking
  117. [16:41] Timson
  118. [16:42] Timson UNLIKE ROY
  119. [16:42] Timson
  120. [16:42] LeeroyJenkins He's extremely easy to KO due to being lightweight, but still easy to combo, and he has the game's second worst recovery (third if you count Nana/Popo by her/himself).
  121. [16:43] StarCraft lol
  122. [16:43] LeeroyJenkins I usually favor fast-falling over floatiness, but in Roy's case, it does more harm than good, unlike Falcon and the two spacies.
  123. [16:43] =-= YOU are now known as StarCraft_dinner
  124. [16:44] Timson fast falling should be a consequence for other good attributes
  125. [16:44] DekZek Is this what you were referring to?
  126. [16:44] DekZek http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Roy_(SSBM)&diff=next&oldid=513059
  127. [16:44] Timson like falcon can touch death you, fox has incredible movement, falco has incredible control and comboing ability
  128. [16:44] Timson roy...
  129. [16:44] Timson uh
  130. [16:44] Timson dtilt forward smash on fox
  131. [16:44] LeeroyJenkins Like I said, his fast falling speed does more harm than good.
  132. [16:44] LeeroyJenkins Unlike Falcon and spacies.
  133. [16:45] LeeroyJenkins For some reason, I still play as Roy in Melee despite his inferiority to Marth, mainly because I'm more used to him.
  134. [16:46] Timson he's good for pubstomping at least
  135. [16:46] Timson DekZek: yep
  136. [16:46] LeeroyJenkins Definition
  137. [16:47] LeeroyJenkins Also, I don't think I should mention PM.
  138. [16:47] Timson OT's walls of text extend even to fictional characters
  139. [16:47] Timson he is literally yelling at fictional characters
  140. [16:47] DekZek I still need my old question answered. What license would they fall under.
  141. [16:47] LeeroyJenkins Fairuse
  142. [16:48] LeeroyJenkins Image is copyrighted. It will be used in a fair way.
  143. [16:48] LeeroyJenkins Fairuse
  144. [16:48] DekZek Under the new system
  145. [16:49] LeeroyJenkins Should I mention PM?
  146. [16:49] DekZek http://www.ssbwiki.com/SW:IMGCR
  147. [16:49] DekZek Screenshot or photo
  148. [16:49] LeeroyJenkins Don't do anything yet, lemme read.
  149. [16:50] LeeroyJenkins License-screenshot
  150. [16:50] LeeroyJenkins Use that one.
  151. [16:50] DekZek Wait for what the others say.
  152. [16:52] LeeroyJenkins Timson and Starcraft_dinner, are you guys there?
  153. [16:52] LeeroyJenkins nick/ <dws>
  154. [16:52] Timson well obviously Starcraft_dinner isn't here
  155. [16:52] LeeroyJenkins DekZek needs to know.
  156. [16:52] LeeroyJenkins Which licensing is right.
  157. [16:53] =-= LeeroyJenkins is now known as DrillytheElfhog
  158. [16:53] Timson license-screenshot lol
  159. [16:53] DrillytheElfhog What's so funny?
  160. [16:54] DekZek Ok. Screenshot it is.
  161. [16:54] DrillytheElfhog Go for it.
  162. [16:55] DrillytheElfhog Again, should I mention PM?
  163. [16:55] Timson why?
  164. [16:55] Timson fuck leakers
  165. [16:56] Timson I'm like 200% sure the reason why PM stopped development is because people leaked PM with Knuckles and Lyn and Nintendo would've ˢᵉʳᶦᵒᵘˢ ᵗʳᵒᵘᵇᶫᵉ'd their asses
  166. [16:56] Timson before the PM team could really grasp if putting these characters would cause suits
  167. [16:56] DrillytheElfhog Actually, it was to prevent legal issues. Also, the leak occured after the discontinuation.
  168. [16:57] Timson why...?
  169. [16:57] DrillytheElfhog Why what?
  170. [16:57] Timson PM isn't for profit
  171. [16:57] DrillytheElfhog What?
  172. [16:58] Timson nvm, legal stuff is stupid
  173. [16:58] DrillytheElfhog Our boy
  174. [16:59] Timson non-profit mod with character models already existing in the game is somehow in a "legal grey area"
  175. [16:59] Timson meanwhile, Brawl- says "LOL"
  176. [16:59] Timson as they continue development of an obscure and broken mod that never gets stream time
  177. [17:00] Timson also yes
  178. [17:00] Timson Roy in PM is legitimately good
  179. [17:00] Timson not as good as Marth but has his own playstyle and strengths that differentiate him
  180. [17:00] Timson namely stronger punishes at the cost of some of his strength in the neutral, and different kill moves
  181. [17:01] DrillytheElfhog At least he's not quote unquote garbage anymore. While he's still quite easy to KO, his stronger moves and especially better comboing game make him more formidable than he was in Melee.
  182. [17:03] DrillytheElfhog Problem is, he's still easy to KO and combo, and his recovery is still lackluster.
  183. [17:17] DekZek I wish Nintendo picked up the PM staff and hired them to work on Smash 5
  184. [17:17] DekZek Also... Done
  185. [17:18] -->| Serpent_King (~SK@Serpent_King.user.gamesurge) has joined #smashwiki
  186. [17:18] =-= Mode #smashwiki +o Serpent_King by ChanServ
  187. [17:21] DekZek Hi SK
  188. [17:23] |<-- Serpent_King has left irc.gamesurge.net (Ping timeout)
  189. [17:26] DekZek And then he leaves.
  190. [17:30] |<-- DrillytheElfhog has left irc.gamesurge.net (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  191. [18:18] -->| Drilly_the_Elfhog (mibbit@gamesurge-c1ab0be5.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #smashwiki
  192. [18:19] Drilly_the_Elfhog Why were so many fanboys wanting Bayonetta so much?
  193. [18:32] Drilly_the_Elfhog Fun fact: Brawler and Swordfighter became happy.
  194. [19:30] |<-- Drilly_the_Elfhog has left irc.gamesurge.net (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  195. [19:37] =-= YOU are now known as StarCraft
  196. [19:37] StarCraft Damn, I never thought that Leeroy was Drilly in disguise.
  197. [19:38] StarCraft Fell right into the fact that its just another user.
  198. [19:39] MandL27 k
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