okay
[3/2/2015 3:25:55 PM] Tek PK: Thinking it will be today?
[3/2/2015 3:26:03 PM] MB Management: yes
[3/2/2015 3:26:04 PM] MB Management: i am
[3/2/2015 3:26:07 PM] MB Management: wait
[3/2/2015 3:26:09 PM] MB Management: the server?
[3/2/2015 3:26:10 PM] MB Management: yes
[3/2/2015 3:27:37 PM] Tek PK: Yeah the creative, just need to know a rough idea. You said sat and sun it would be ready so I'd been telling the community it will be up so just need to know so I can update them
[3/2/2015 4:01:58 PM] MB Management: it SHOULD have been done a few days ago
[3/2/2015 4:02:09 PM] MB Management: but the server screwed up and...yeah..
[3/2/2015 4:02:12 PM] MB Management: so, its fixed
[3/2/2015 4:02:30 PM] MB Management: but i have to wait until someone gets on
[3/2/2015 4:02:59 PM] Tek PK: okay
[3/2/2015 4:31:26 PM] MB Management: so, i have the server BASICALLY in my hands
[3/2/2015 4:31:35 PM] MB Management: i just gotta transfer the builds into it
[3/2/2015 4:32:17 PM] MB Management: i gtg to a meeting
[3/2/2015 4:32:31 PM] MB Management: i will be back tonight at like 8-ish
[3/2/2015 4:32:32 PM] MB Management: EST
[3/2/2015 4:32:41 PM] MB Management: and then you will get it when i upload the worlds
[3/2/2015 4:33:11 PM] Tek PK: pl
[3/2/2015 4:33:12 PM] Tek PK: ok
[3/2/2015 5:20:32 PM] MB Management: Creative Server made by TechBanana (not including builds)
Feel free to Modify and reuse for other private purposes.
Contact by-
Skype: mrsign135
email: tekryver@gmail.com

NOTE: THIS PRODUCT WAS MANAGED BY MEGABYTES MANAGEMENT!
Skype: zesty342ml
email: megabytesmanager@gmail.com

Group Perms-
Default- Prefix &8[&7Default&8]
  - /spawn - essentials.spawn
  - /warp spawn - essentials.warps.spawn
  - All basic PlotMe permission (/plotme home, /plotme auto, etc)

Master- Prefix &8[&7Master&8]
  - /warp master - essentials.warps.master
  - //wand - worldedit.wand
  - //pos1 - worldedit.selection.pos
  - //pos2 - worldedit.selection.pos
  - //set - worldedit.region.set
  - //undo - worldedit.history.undo
  - //redo -worldedit.history.redo
  - //help - worldedit.help

Expert- Prefix &8[&6Expert&8]
  - /warp expert - essentials.warps.expert
  - //copy - worldedit.clipboard.copy
  - //paste - worldedit.clipboard.paste
  - //up - worldedit.navigation.up

God- Prefix &8[&fGod&8]
  - /warp god - essentials.warps.god
  - //naturalize - worldedit.region.naturalize
  - //thru -  worldedit.navigation.thru.command

VIP- Prefix &8[&AVIP
  - //walls - worldedit.region.walls
  - /tool brush sphere - worldedit.brush.sphere
  - /tool brush smooth - worldedit.brush.smooth

vip+-
  - //smooth - worldedit.region.smooth
  - //replace - worldedit.region.replace
  - /tool brush cylinder - worldedit.brush.cylinder
  - //replacenear - worldedit.replacenear
[3/2/2015 5:20:50 PM] MB Management: donor perks basically
[3/2/2015 5:20:58 PM] MB Management: there is helper, admin, mod, and owner as well
[3/2/2015 5:21:06 PM] MB Management: we are open to any edits free of charge
[3/2/2015 5:21:30 PM] MB Management: and they can only use world edit in their plots
[3/2/2015 5:26:15 PM] Tek PK: looks good
[3/2/2015 5:26:38 PM] MB Management: thanks
[3/2/2015 5:28:16 PM] MB Management: transfering the configs to my desktop
[3/2/2015 5:28:26 PM] MB Management: then i will upload the builds tonight
[3/2/2015 5:28:32 PM] MB Management: the host is blocked here
[3/2/2015 5:28:40 PM] MB Management: thanks for waiting this long
[3/2/2015 5:28:41 PM] MB Management: :{
[3/2/2015 5:28:45 PM] MB Management: i feel bad
[3/2/2015 5:28:48 PM] Tek PK: its okay
[3/2/2015 5:29:12 PM] Tek PK: Just keep me updated, and if you know it won't be ready tonight just let me know
[3/2/2015 5:29:38 PM] MB Management: my builder just has to finish the interior of one of the minispawns while im at this meeting
[3/2/2015 5:29:47 PM] MB Management: then i can give it to you once you pay the rest
[3/2/2015 5:29:56 PM] MB Management: this WILL NOT happen with the prison
[3/2/2015 5:30:17 PM] MB Management: new-ish business, so there will be flaws, but the servers are worth is
[3/2/2015 5:30:27 PM | Edited 5:30:43 PM] MB Management: if there are issues you can tell me
[3/2/2015 5:30:31 PM] Tek PK: ok
[3/2/2015 5:30:36 PM] MB Management: the plots increase in size just as wanted
[3/2/2015 5:35:22 PM] MB Management: and there is no /plotme claim
[3/2/2015 5:35:28 PM] MB Management: it is /plotme auto
[3/2/2015 5:35:40 PM] MB Management: there are reasons behind this
[3/2/2015 5:35:44 PM] MB Management: i promise
[3/2/2015 5:35:51 PM] Tek PK: reason being
[3/2/2015 5:36:18 PM] MB Management: there are different ranks. so member does /plotme auto and gets their only plot
[3/2/2015 5:36:20 PM] MB Management: then
[3/2/2015 5:36:48 PM] MB Management: like, god for example, has access to all plotworlds, doing /plotme auto in each and only having one plot in each
[3/2/2015 5:36:51 PM] MB Management: hard to explain
[3/2/2015 5:37:00 PM] MB Management: if you want it changed, we can
[3/2/2015 5:37:47 PM] Tek PK: I'm just thinking people might want to choose their claim, if they want to be near somebody
[3/2/2015 5:37:59 PM] MB Management: true
[3/2/2015 5:38:37 PM] Tek PK: Is the number of plots easy to configure?
[3/2/2015 5:38:50 PM] MB Management: the number of plots?
[3/2/2015 5:38:59 PM] MB Management: its a plot world, it doesnt end
[3/2/2015 5:39:07 PM] Tek PK: Like say God has all worlds, but if I want him to have ability to have say 4 plots in world 1,
[3/2/2015 5:39:28 PM] MB Management: that is possible
[3/2/2015 5:40:07 PM] Tek PK: I assume it's just a config change. I can probably figure it out and tweak it myself
[3/2/2015 5:40:09 PM] MB Management: just a permission
[3/2/2015 5:40:15 PM] MB Management: its very simple
[3/2/2015 5:41:17 PM] Tek PK: Can you make it so they can stand on a plot and /claim
[3/2/2015 5:41:48 PM] MB Management: yes
[3/2/2015 5:42:23 PM] Tek PK: okay
[3/2/2015 5:43:46 PM] MB Management: added
[3/2/2015 5:44:25 PM] Tek PK: thanks
[3/2/2015 5:44:26 PM] Tek PK: :)
[3/2/2015 5:44:59 PM] MB Management: np
[3/2/2015 5:46:00 PM] MB Management: yeah, so, prison
[3/2/2015 5:46:09 PM] Tek PK: hows the build coming
[3/2/2015 5:46:13 PM] MB Management: doing good
[3/2/2015 5:46:54 PM] MB Management: we had a chunk error because i was stupid and did a full server reload instead of a plugin reload, so we lost a bit of it. my builder will restore it fairly quickly though.
[3/2/2015 5:47:06 PM] MB Management: dont ever do /reload
[3/2/2015 5:47:11 PM] MB Management: just a heads up
[3/2/2015 5:47:45 PM] Tek PK: yeah i avoid it when i can
[3/2/2015 5:47:50 PM] MB Management: yeah
[3/2/2015 5:47:56 PM] MB Management: i normally dont do it
[3/2/2015 5:48:00 PM] MB Management: it slipped my mind
[3/2/2015 5:48:08 PM] MB Management: it was like...3 AM
[3/2/2015 5:48:25 PM] MB Management: So I wasn't acting very smart
[3/2/2015 5:48:48 PM] MB Management: I do want to know, how big would you like your factions spawn?
[3/2/2015 5:48:59 PM] MB Management: Cause my builder has an idea of an underground one
[3/2/2015 5:49:08 PM] MB Management: dim lit, big, etc
[3/2/2015 5:49:13 PM] MB Management: like, 125x125
[3/2/2015 5:49:18 PM] MB Management: or bigger, your choice
[3/2/2015 5:49:32 PM] MB Management: unless you dont want it
[3/2/2015 5:49:43 PM] Tek PK: Not even thinking about the factions yet really.
[3/2/2015 5:49:58 PM] MB Management: yeah, you said you had one temporarily right?
[3/2/2015 5:50:18 PM] Tek PK: I have one, might upgrade it haven't decided yet.
[3/2/2015 5:50:42 PM] Tek PK: But might also do a second factions server. still all in the early phase of thinking
[3/2/2015 5:50:52 PM] MB Management: ahh, are you thinking of any custom gamemodes? Maybe a minigames server?
[3/2/2015 5:52:00 PM] Tek PK: Yeah I have some ideas, but also always keeping an eye o nthe forums for ones for sale premade
[3/2/2015 5:52:20 PM] MB Management: just a heads up, never trust premade servers
[3/2/2015 5:52:47 PM] MB Management: people may say they have made it, or bought it and are reselling, but how do you know they aren't selling more than one?
[3/2/2015 5:52:56 PM] MB Management: or that the previous owner didn't
[3/2/2015 5:53:13 PM] MB Management: thats why I decided to jump in
[3/2/2015 5:55:37 PM] MB Management: And, I just recruited like, 15 more peopld2
[3/2/2015 5:55:40 PM] MB Management: People*
[3/2/2015 5:55:50 PM] MB Management: So setups will be faster now
[3/2/2015 5:57:21 PM] Tek PK: I generally prefer the idea of a premade. Then I can see it all before deciding to pay. Never know with a custom if you will like it. And same issues no matter what that is why you get proofs.
[3/2/2015 5:57:42 PM] Tek PK: There is no guarantee either way with premades or custom
[3/2/2015 6:00:14 PM] MB Management: xD
[3/2/2015 6:00:21 PM] MB Management: i can make a TOS
[3/2/2015 6:00:42 PM] MB Management: I am letting you see stuff before selling it this time as well
[3/2/2015 6:01:34 PM] MB Management: I am trying to be more user friendly so people don't distrust
[3/2/2015 6:01:44 PM] Tek PK: A TOS is all and good - But I mean it doesn't really guarantee anything. I just mean that getting a custom job done is no more secure then buying a premade
[3/2/2015 6:01:46 PM] MB Management: i will make it so that if you don't like the prison, i will refund you
[3/2/2015 6:02:01 PM] MB Management: i can make it as secure as you want
[3/2/2015 6:02:02 PM] MB Management: :}
[3/2/2015 6:04:01 PM] Tek PK: I just mean you say never trust premades, when if there is proof of ownership and builds and plugins. And you set a TOS there is no difference to getting a custom
[3/2/2015 6:04:38 PM] MB Management: there is...
[3/2/2015 6:04:57 PM] MB Management: premades, how do you know it hasn't been sold to others in the past?
[3/2/2015 6:05:56 PM] Tek PK: custom, how do I know they are not reselling previously made/sold parts
[3/2/2015 6:06:27 PM] MB Management: well, i dont want to argue
[3/2/2015 6:06:32 PM] MB Management: not professional
[3/2/2015 6:06:33 PM] MB Management: :}
[3/2/2015 6:06:37 PM] MB Management: what did you do today?
[3/2/2015 6:08:15 PM] Tek PK: tweaks on server, setting up a basic vanilla survival off hub
[3/2/2015 6:08:25 PM] MB Management: ahh
[3/2/2015 6:08:26 PM] MB Management: nice
[3/2/2015 8:17:16 PM] MB Management: err. meeting got held cause of stupid weather
[3/2/2015 8:17:22 PM] MB Management: i havent even left yet
[3/2/2015 8:17:27 PM] MB Management: in like...10 min i am
[3/2/2015 8:17:32 PM] MB Management: i will get it done
[3/2/2015 8:17:34 PM | Edited 8:17:35 PM] MB Management: i will
[3/2/2015 8:17:40 PM] MB Management: i will try tonight
[3/2/2015 8:18:54 PM] MB Management: if you pay the rest now, i will give you the server files
[3/2/2015 8:19:05 PM] MB Management: then, the builds tomorrow, or when i get home
[3/2/2015 8:19:55 PM] Tek PK: I'll pay when it's all done
[3/2/2015 8:20:15 PM] MB Management: err. k
[3/2/2015 8:20:20 PM] MB Management: that is fair
[3/2/2015 8:20:35 PM] Tek PK: Tomorrow it will be ready
[3/2/2015 8:20:43 PM] MB Management: tonight possibly
[3/2/2015 8:20:55 PM] Tek PK: Okay, but I mean tomorrow is the latest
[3/2/2015 8:21:03 PM] MB Management: if it is not done by tomorrow, i will deduct the price
[3/2/2015 8:21:12 PM] MB Management: it will be, but if it isnt
[3/2/2015 8:21:49 PM] Tek PK: Not deduct, refund and cancel
[3/2/2015 8:22:00 PM] MB Management: ok
[3/2/2015 8:22:02 PM] MB Management: deal
[3/2/2015 8:22:40 PM] MB Management: this will never happen again
[3/2/2015 8:22:43 PM] MB Management: i have more people
[3/2/2015 8:22:50 PM] MB Management: and i have auto-backup
[3/2/2015 8:22:53 PM] MB Management: and such
[3/2/2015 8:22:59 PM] MB Management: i am extremely sorry
[3/2/2015 8:23:10 PM] MB Management: http://gyazo.com/5bb3046f22627b3d1c5595fc609ca9f2
[3/2/2015 8:23:20 PM] MB Management: there is to prove i am doing it
[3/2/2015 8:23:39 PM] Tek PK: It's fine, I am patient to an extent. I just don't like being told every day it will be today and then it keeps getting pushed
[3/2/2015 8:23:45 PM] MB Management: yeah
[3/2/2015 8:23:47 PM] MB Management: i understand
[3/2/2015 8:23:52 PM] MB Management: i got forced into a meeting
[3/2/2015 8:23:57 PM] MB Management: then weather made me stay longer
[3/2/2015 8:24:08 PM] MB Management: and all weekend i was sick
[3/2/2015 8:24:12 PM] MB Management: but, no excuses
[3/2/2015 8:24:26 PM] MB Management: it's my fault and I will make it up to you
[3/2/2015 8:24:47 PM] Tek PK: okay
[3/2/2015 10:15:26 PM] MB Management: Want anything specific in the prison spawn? Parkour, etc
[3/2/2015 10:38:58 PM] }{TeK}{: Nothing I can think of, up to you though since it's not certain I will take it or not yet
[3/2/2015 10:40:13 PM] MB Management: Ok
[3/2/2015 10:40:29 PM] MB Management: Adding clouds, parkour, and info boards atm
[3/2/2015 10:40:43 PM] MB Management: I am not on, so I will send pics tomorrow
[3/2/2015 10:40:53 PM] }{TeK}{: Ok
[8:48:58 AM] MB Management: Today is the day
[8:49:26 AM] MB Management: I have all the builds done
[8:49:30 AM] MB Management: All the configs
[8:50:05 AM] MB Management: Just need to give them to you in like a half hour
[8:50:55 AM] MB Management: The reputation plugin I said would come later. It has some bugs, so they are working that out
[8:51:24 AM] }{TeK}{: Hey, only on a few minutes then out for a coukple hours
[8:51:29 AM] }{TeK}{: but can talk more then
[8:51:41 AM] MB Management: Ok
[8:51:47 AM] MB Management: Thats cool
[8:51:50 AM] }{TeK}{: When did you say that? What is their ETA
[8:52:36 AM] MB Management: Not sure. The original one backed out becauee of college
[8:52:39 AM] MB Management: So, soon
[8:53:03 AM] }{TeK}{: This is the first I am hearing this
[8:54:39 AM] MB Management: Me too
[8:54:53 AM] MB Management: He wouldnt respond then he said he was busy with college
[8:55:03 AM] }{TeK}{: You said yesterday that everything was ready minus the build I mean
[8:55:18 AM] MB Management: Yeah, I said the plugin wasnt yet
[8:55:25 AM] }{TeK}{: Where
[8:56:39 AM] }{TeK}{: All I see is Just keep me updated, and if you know it won't be ready tonight just let me know
[3/2/2015 5:29:38 PM] MB Management: my builder just has to finish the interior of one of the minispawns while im at this meeting
[3/2/2015 5:29:47 PM] MB Management: then i can give it to you once you pay the rest
[8:57:56 AM] MB Management: Im looking
[8:58:05 AM] MB Management: I remember saying it
[8:58:18 AM] MB Management: Plus, im paying for the plugin, not you
[8:58:45 AM] }{TeK}{: Not my problem, it was included in the deal. I paid for a finished product
[8:59:01 AM] }{TeK}{: that you promised yesterday would be done today
[8:59:07 AM] MB Management: Yep
[8:59:33 AM] MB Management: I promised that the server you are paying for will be done
[8:59:39 AM] MB Management: And it will
[8:59:48 AM] MB Management: But im paying for the plugin for you
[8:59:58 AM] }{TeK}{: Yes, server being the whole package
[9:00:26 AM] }{TeK}{: You find me the log where you mention it, because I am not seeing anything about this anywhere
[9:00:34 AM] MB Management: You are getting the server you paid for, and a plugin I am paying for
[9:00:52 AM] MB Management: Server today, plugin tomorrow or next day
[9:01:11 AM] }{TeK}{: I ordered, for 105, a complete server. That means everything. If you went beyond that in your cost to your team that is on you
[9:01:23 AM] }{TeK}{: That server includes a custom plugin
[9:02:38 AM] }{TeK}{: Which until right now - there has been no mention was not finished, or that there was problems etc. All that was said yesterday was that everything was done but the builds being imported. And since I ordered a full product that would imply the plugin was done
[9:03:32 AM] MB Management: I am paying for the plugin. You are paying for the server. You asked for a plugin. I didnt include it in the price to help you out. You are getting both
[9:03:45 AM] }{TeK}{: No
[9:04:15 AM] }{TeK}{: We made a deal for a server, which included the custom plugin. Just because you paid out more to your team then you charged is not my issue. That is bad management on your behalf
[9:04:31 AM] MB Management: I am not makijg it your issue
[9:04:36 AM] MB Management: Making*
[9:05:10 AM] }{TeK}{: I am sasying they are one in the same. The server includes the custom plugin, so until the custom plugin is done the server is not done
[9:07:02 AM] MB Management: you paid for a server, you are getting a server. You didnt pay for a plugin. You are4e still getting it
[9:07:06 AM] MB Management: Are*
[9:07:38 AM] MB Management: Brb
[9:07:59 AM] }{TeK}{: You really don't get it, the server is a set up server. It's not finished until all the parts are on it and working
[9:08:07 AM] }{TeK}{: Which includes that plugin
[9:08:20 AM] }{TeK}{: And until now you have said nothing about it not being ready.
[9:08:49 AM] MB Management: I didnt know until now
[9:08:56 AM] MB Management: The server works fine
[9:09:01 AM] }{TeK}{: No it doesn't
[9:09:12 AM] }{TeK}{: It doesn't have the plugin, so it isn't finished
[9:11:01 AM] MB Management: Make it a donor perk or something
[9:11:51 AM] MB Management: It isnt my fault he had college issues
[9:12:15 AM] }{TeK}{: It's supposed to be for everyone and is the main thing that stand out from others
[9:13:18 AM] MB Management: Plus, yes, it comes with the server, out of my own pocket. It will come. It will. Not long. I dont know what you want me to do
[9:13:41 AM] MB Management: It will stand out, it will be there
[9:13:43 AM] }{TeK}{: So here are the options. 1. You sell it as is without the custom plugin, lowering the price to be in line with what a normal creative setup would cost. and cancel the plugin. OR 2. Refund the deposit half and cancel the order.  3. Deliver a fully finished product by end of day today as agreed
[9:14:20 AM] MB Management: The price doesnt include the plugin...
[9:14:31 AM] MB Management: I can try to get it done today
[9:14:41 AM] MB Management: But, the price already has no plugin cost
[9:14:50 AM] }{TeK}{: It does. I paid 105 for the whole bundle, anything above that is on you for bad management
[9:14:54 AM] MB Management: I decided not to charge you for it
[9:15:06 AM] MB Management: Err.
[9:15:56 AM] MB Management: I can make it 95
[9:16:03 AM | Edited 9:16:38 AM] MB Management: And remove the plugin
[9:16:47 AM] }{TeK}{: Not good enough. My 105 I was willing to pay was based on having it all included. The plugins value being more than 10$
[9:17:08 AM] MB Management: I didnt charge you from the start for the plugin
[9:17:19 AM] }{TeK}{: You did, because the 105 was an all in price
[9:17:21 AM] MB Management: I dont think you understand that
[9:17:45 AM] MB Management: I never added the price of the plugin because the price was already high
[9:17:50 AM] }{TeK}{: Just because you spent over 105 paying out the team doesn't mean you didnt charge me for it
[9:18:06 AM] MB Management: I did not charge you for the plugin
[9:18:17 AM | Edited 9:18:30 AM] MB Management: I didnt add the price for the plugin
[9:18:38 AM] MB Management: It wasnt included in the 105
[9:18:38 AM] }{TeK}{: So you charge 105 for to set up a creative server, with small basic spawns?
[9:19:23 AM] MB Management: The way you wanted it, that is how it was.
[9:19:42 AM] MB Management: Plus $3 for hosting costs
[9:21:37 AM] MB Management: And thats why I lowered the prison
[9:22:23 AM] }{TeK}{: You do realize others on MC Market sell setups much lower than you then
[9:22:54 AM] }{TeK}{: My 105 I only paid that much because it had thecustom plugin
[9:23:09 AM] MB Management: Another reason I lowered price for prison
[9:23:13 AM] }{TeK}{: So again, back to the 3 options. It's up to you which route we go
[9:23:17 AM] MB Management: Im working on prices still
[9:25:24 AM] MB Management: I will try 3, if not that, 2. And I will deliver the plugin later
[9:27:02 AM] MB Management: Everything except the plugin is done
[9:27:15 AM] MB Management: I have the worlds and the server files
[9:28:06 AM] }{TeK}{: That is why I said, the 3 options. I'd be willing to take it as is without the plugin at all - if the price is adjusted accordingly. Otherwise by end of day today the full product is delivered or a refund processed
[9:34:57 AM] }{TeK}{: So you want to go the it's all finished by end of day today or refund by end of day today route? Just to confirm that is what we are agreeing on
[9:36:16 AM] MB Management: No. I will try to get everything done today, or deduct for plugin
[9:36:43 AM] }{TeK}{: Deduct what, we need to agree on a price for whats done
[9:38:02 AM] }{TeK}{: Which to be honest I am looking right now on the forums at competition and I can get a server setup (not the basic spawn builds included though) for anywhere from 20-50
[9:38:16 AM] MB Management: $85
[9:38:23 AM] MB Management: and i have all the worlds made
[9:38:25 AM] MB Management: and builds
[9:38:27 AM] MB Management: with info area
[9:38:51 AM] MB Management: thats 20 off
[9:40:03 AM] }{TeK}{: No deal, at best I will do 60 - since it will cost me around that difference to get the plugin developed elsewhere. And 60 is generous for a creative setup
[9:40:26 AM] MB Management: the lowest i can do is 75
[9:40:34 AM] MB Management: and
[9:40:35 AM] MB Management: and i already lowered the prison
[9:40:56 AM] MB Management: i am still giving plugin regardless
[9:41:02 AM] }{TeK}{: Then you have to do the other two options, full product today or refund. 60 is my firm highest
[9:41:33 AM] }{TeK}{: If the plugin is finished before I get one developed we can discuss buying it for 45 to make up the remainder
[9:41:46 AM] MB Management: why would a plugin cost THAT much?
[9:41:54 AM] MB Management: at the most, $25
[9:42:05 AM] MB Management: thats what my original dev was doing before the college issue
[9:42:05 AM] }{TeK}{: How much are you paying for it
[9:42:14 AM] MB Management: it was originally around 25
[9:42:31 AM] MB Management: who would pay 45 for that....
[9:42:34 AM] MB Management: thats to much
[9:43:10 AM] }{TeK}{: He is only charging you 45 for the plugin?
[3/1/2015 9:35:23 PM] MB Management: No mc market
[3/1/2015 9:35:28 PM] MB Management: Yes 45
[3/1/2015 9:37:00 PM] Tek PK: Just for future, you should be transparent on these things. Instead of telling me he wanted 27.50
[3/1/2015 9:37:29 PM] MB Management: He changed the price..
[9:43:36 AM] MB Management: he did, then college
[9:43:39 AM] MB Management: then new guy
[9:43:41 AM] MB Management: $25
[9:43:50 AM] }{TeK}{: You say right there 45
[9:45:23 AM] }{TeK}{: So either you lied then saying it was 45, or you knew then that the college guy stopped making it and you needed a new dev
[9:45:36 AM] MB Management: no, neither
[9:45:43 AM] }{TeK}{: So it was 45
[9:45:51 AM] MB Management: err no
[9:47:01 AM] }{TeK}{: So if it wasn't 45 why did you say 45
[9:49:19 AM] }{TeK}{: So your choice, you can sell the setup as is for 60 - or deliver a finished product by end of day today - or refund the deposit amount by end of day today. Please confirm in writing which you will agree to.
[9:50:16 AM] MB Management: err
[9:52:40 AM] MB Management: im talking to a dev
[9:56:33 AM] MB Management: ok, he is gonna try to get it done by today
[9:58:26 AM] }{TeK}{: Okay but I need your to say in writing which of those options above you agree to. Can me multiple.
[9:59:27 AM | Edited 9:59:35 AM] MB Management: I will try to have the finished product by today for $105 USD total. If that does not happen, I will sell the setup as is for $60 USD
[10:00:27 AM] ***  ***
[10:00:34 AM] MB Management: thats the spawn so far btw
[10:00:42 AM] MB Management: not even 35% done
[10:00:51 AM] MB Management: well, maybe 35%
[10:01:16 AM] }{TeK}{: The setup as-is meaning all components, setting etc originally agreed upon minus the custom plugin for repuations/likes. And by agreeing you understand that means I send $10 today since $50 was already paid.
[10:01:49 AM] MB Management: yes, but, it may be done today
[10:02:02 AM] }{TeK}{: If it is great
[10:02:17 AM] MB Management: how is the spawn so far?
[10:03:12 AM] }{TeK}{: Looks good, I will most likely not be taking another setup though. To be truthful.
[10:03:55 AM] MB Management: i had a feeling
[10:04:18 AM] MB Management: though, this was the first creative setup i have been asked for
[10:04:24 AM] MB Management: i have done prison many times
[10:04:32 AM] MB Management: it won't be like this again
[10:05:14 AM] MB Management: and if it is, tell whoever you want. comment i am bad at this, do whatever you want
[10:05:21 AM] }{TeK}{: I would purchase finished products, but not do a prepaid/deposit deal again, at least not for a while until I see on the forums more jobs being done with positive reviews
[10:05:50 AM] }{TeK}{: Not meaning offense, this is just the way I do business.
[10:05:54 AM] MB Management: yeah
[10:06:02 AM] MB Management: i can try to get my builders to build the full prison
[10:06:07 AM] MB Management: and show you pictures
[10:06:09 AM] MB Management: free
[10:06:16 AM] MB Management: so you know it is ready and how you want it
[10:08:15 AM] }{TeK}{: I'd be willing to look at and purchase if that were the case.
[10:08:25 AM] MB Management: yeah
[10:08:32 AM] }{TeK}{: Anyways, I have to run out for a couple of hours, keep me posted throughout the day on progress.
[10:08:35 AM] }{TeK}{: You are EST?
[10:08:38 AM] MB Management: yes
[10:08:45 AM] MB Management: 10:08 AM
[10:09:18 AM] }{TeK}{: So let's say by 10PM we will see if the plugin is done, if not around 10PM we will do the current for 60
[10:09:41 AM] }{TeK}{: And then if the plugin gets done in next couple days I may buy it, unless I get one by then
[10:09:53 AM] MB Management: ok
[10:10:05 AM] MB Management: the spawn should be done in the next few days too
[10:10:07 AM] MB Management: cya soon
[10:10:10 AM] MB Management: :}
[10:11:36 AM] MB Management: sorry for your dissapointment
[10:27:12 AM] MB Management: got in contact with a dev
[10:27:25 AM] MB Management: it should be done tonight
[10:33:13 AM] MB Management: so, in one of the spawns, there are lamps that stay lit without redstone
[10:33:39 AM] MB Management: so, when we send the worlds, we will have to go in that spawn to have them on for your server
[10:33:45 AM] MB Management: or i can make it glowstone
[10:34:33 AM] }{TeK}{: redstone lamps?
[10:34:42 AM] MB Management: yeah
[10:34:48 AM] MB Management: they stay lit without redstone
[10:34:57 AM] }{TeK}{: okay no worries, i know how to make them work
[10:35:02 AM] MB Management: ok cool
[11:00:50 AM] MB Management: looks like you should get everything on time
[11:00:51 AM] MB Management: :}
[4:51:36 PM] }{TeK}{: hows the progress?
[4:51:45 PM] MB Management: doing great
[4:51:53 PM] MB Management: everything is done, i have a dev on the plugin
[4:52:23 PM | Edited 4:52:34 PM] MB Management: and i have a mine that is really big compared to the rest without increasing a charge. im gonna try to make it up to you
[4:58:14 PM] MB Management: i will send the pics soon
[4:58:47 PM] }{TeK}{: ok
[5:02:07 PM] MB Management: if you dont like it, tell me what to change
[5:05:45 PM] }{TeK}{: looks good
[5:06:18 PM] MB Management: awesome
[5:06:28 PM] MB Management: those holes on the one side are to get in and out
[5:59:33 PM] MB Management: yeah, the plugin may not be done today....if it is, then you get it too
[5:59:48 PM] MB Management: if not, then, the 60, and you can buy it if you want to tomorrow
[6:00:29 PM] }{TeK}{: Everything else other then the plugin is ready to go and send yeah?
[6:00:42 PM] MB Management: yeah, one sec
[6:01:45 PM] MB Management: the plots get increasingly bigger, so i have been meaning to ask, where do you want them?
[6:02:16 PM] }{TeK}{: bigger based on which world yeah?
[6:02:21 PM] MB Management: of course
[6:02:24 PM] MB Management: thats what you asked
[6:02:24 PM] MB Management: :}
[6:02:56 PM] MB Management: do you want me to send them seperately?
[6:03:07 PM] MB Management: and you put them where you want?
[6:03:55 PM] }{TeK}{: I'm not understanding sorry
[6:04:21 PM] MB Management: err, you said make basic spawns, so, they arent as big as most the plots
[6:04:30 PM] MB Management: where do you want the spawns to be
[6:05:19 PM] }{TeK}{: Oh, just do them in a plot even if the size is bigger and then set that as a warp or that world spawn point
[6:05:31 PM] MB Management: k
[6:05:35 PM] }{TeK}{: and set that plot to admin owned
[6:05:51 PM] }{TeK}{: or i can claim it since im on first
[6:05:55 PM] MB Management: yeah
[6:12:52 PM] }{TeK}{: If you want we can do the remaining 10 (to make 60) now and you send everything but plugin. Then if plugin is done tonight we can do the rest for it, or if tomorrow we see if I already got one
[6:13:20 PM] MB Management: sure, but, one sec
[6:14:30 PM] MB Management: the builds and configs were done on two different servers
[6:14:37 PM] MB Management: so i am putting them together
[6:37:01 PM] }{TeK}{: okay
[7:15:09 PM] MB Management: he said he could get it done 9PM PST
[7:15:19 PM] MB Management: which is, of course, midnight EST
[7:15:26 PM] MB Management: he will try to get it done sooner
[7:16:01 PM] }{TeK}{: ok
[7:16:12 PM] }{TeK}{: ill be up still then, not sure if you will be
[7:16:18 PM] MB Management: i probably wont
[7:16:38 PM] MB Management: which is an issue
[7:16:41 PM] MB Management: err
[7:20:36 PM] MB Management: he will try his best
[7:20:39 PM] MB Management: :}
[8:15:04 PM] MB Management: how you you want it?
[8:15:16 PM | Edited 8:15:20 PM] MB Management: do you want me to center the spawn in the middle of the plots?
[8:15:22 PM] }{TeK}{: yeah
[8:15:25 PM] MB Management: ok
[8:23:19 PM] MB Management: for chunk reasons, i only can make the plot worlds on your server
[8:23:27 PM | Edited 8:23:29 PM] MB Management: or the world transfer causes chunk errors
[8:24:15 PM] MB Management: so, he needs to come on your server to make the worlds
[8:24:41 PM] }{TeK}{: So how should we do this then
[8:24:52 PM | Edited 8:24:57 PM] MB Management: let him come on your server
[8:25:03 PM] MB Management: he can do it in a few min
[8:25:24 PM] }{TeK}{: Okay, everything else is ready to go
[8:25:25 PM] }{TeK}{: ?
[8:25:28 PM] MB Management: yeah
[8:25:35 PM] MB Management: builds and such are on schematics
[8:25:41 PM] MB Management: ip?
[8:25:47 PM] MB Management: his ign is TechBanana
[8:26:08 PM] }{TeK}{: Wouldn't I need the server first?
[8:26:17 PM] MB Management: you havent bought hosting?
[8:26:39 PM] }{TeK}{: I mean the server files
[8:26:44 PM] MB Management: oh
[8:28:14 PM] ***  ***
[8:28:27 PM] MB Management: put those schematics in your WE schematic folder
[8:28:52 PM] }{TeK}{: I mean I do not have a server set up. So what WE folder would I put it in
[8:29:50 PM] MB Management: thats the guy
[8:30:10 PM] MB Management: you guys talk, i have to get off my computer to normal skype
[8:30:14 PM] MB Management: he has everything
[8:30:17 PM] }{TeK}{: Wait
[8:30:21 PM] MB Management: yes?
[8:30:24 PM] }{TeK}{: He has all the server files?
[8:30:32 PM | Edited 8:30:36 PM] MB Management: he did the configs
[8:30:49 PM] MB Management: he is in the company, i hired him for configs
[8:31:07 PM] }{TeK}{: You don't have servers of your own for testing?
[8:31:11 PM] MB Management: i do
[8:31:29 PM] MB Management: but, if you upload a plotme world in 1.8, they havent fixed the chunk errors
[8:31:42 PM] MB Management: so, when you spawn, its plots, then the rest is normal terrain
[8:31:48 PM] MB Management: unless you make it on the server itself
[8:32:24 PM] }{TeK}{: Moving those from one server to another shouldn't break it, if your moving the world files
[8:32:33 PM] MB Management: it does
[8:32:36 PM] MB Management: in 1.8
[8:32:40 PM] MB Management: its a bug
[8:32:51 PM] MB Management: if it is a normal world, its fine
[8:32:56 PM | Edited 8:33:03 PM] MB Management: its just how plotme works
[8:33:16 PM] }{TeK}{: Okay so this is all the builds, then this guy I am adding has all the plugins and configs?
[8:33:35 PM] MB Management: yes
[8:42:21 PM] }{TeK}{: Okay so what is going on.
[8:42:38 PM] MB Management: There was a chunk error like I said
[8:42:44 PM] }{TeK}{: And he is fixing it
[8:42:49 PM] MB Management: Yes
[8:43:15 PM] }{TeK}{: So he doesn't need to do it on a server?
[8:43:25 PM] MB Management: He may need to
[8:44:04 PM] }{TeK}{: So earlier when you said the server setup was ready, minus the custom plugin.... It wasn't really ready
[8:44:25 PM] MB Management: It was
[8:44:38 PM] MB Management: Then I discovered the plotme 1.8 bug
[8:44:45 PM] MB Management: I have no control over that
[8:45:10 PM] }{TeK}{: Ready means ready to send to me to go live, finished.
[8:45:31 PM] MB Management: I have no control over the plugin bug
[8:45:55 PM] }{TeK}{: Okay but saying it is ready, means it's ready to send me. Meaning it has been fully set up and tested etc
[8:46:28 PM] MB Management: It was tested and ready, until we found the error. We are working on it
[8:48:06 PM] }{TeK}{: You mean you were in testing (pre it being ready) and found an error. You don't tell a person something is ready until the testing and bug fixing is done
[8:48:19 PM] }{TeK}{: Do you see why I am getting frustrated?
[8:48:30 PM] MB Management: I am equally as frustrated
[8:48:36 PM] MB Management: Not with you
[8:48:48 PM] MB Management: He tested it, not me
[8:49:01 PM] MB Management: Builds were on, and I moved it
[8:49:22 PM] MB Management: When I finished moving it, I discovered the error
[8:49:42 PM] MB Management: The server was done. Before I decided to move it, I said it was ready
[8:49:49 PM] MB Management: And it was
[8:50:00 PM] MB Management: I moved it, and discovered the chunk error
[8:50:12 PM] }{TeK}{: Okay
[8:52:09 PM] }{TeK}{: I'll be honest here, I could have paid less to a diffferent team and had all of it by now. And all of these issues and delays and the only compensation offered is for future business that at this point will not happen. Why I am not already just refunding and moving my business elsewhere I have no idea. Maybe I am crazy.
[8:53:22 PM] MB Management: You probably could.  Maybe you should. It is my fault it wasnt done this weekend. It is not my fault the plugin or 1.8 is broken
[8:53:49 PM] MB Management: Chargeback, cause I can access paypal right now. If thats what you choose
[8:54:06 PM] }{TeK}{: I said I would wait till 10 and that is what I will do.
[8:54:17 PM] MB Management: 10 min is 9 est
[8:54:20 PM] MB Management: Not 10
[8:54:34 PM] MB Management: Oh
[8:54:42 PM] MB Management: Wait I read that wrong
[8:54:42 PM] }{TeK}{: Exactly, meaning I am waiting until 10
[8:54:44 PM] MB Management: Sorry
[8:54:48 PM] }{TeK}{: then will ask for refund
[8:57:01 PM] MB Management: ok, here
[8:57:05 PM] MB Management: i am sending the files i have
[8:57:10 PM] MB Management: the perms, plotme, etc
[8:57:13 PM] MB Management: all plugins
[8:57:23 PM] }{TeK}{: No, wait until it is complete (minus the custom plugin)
[8:57:40 PM] MB Management: i am sending the server
[8:57:43 PM] MB Management: all of it
[8:57:46 PM] MB Management: you have the builds
[8:58:03 PM] MB Management: im not asking for the next 10 or whatever
[8:58:08 PM] }{TeK}{: No
[8:58:45 PM] }{TeK}{: Are the 1.8 issues fixed? the worlds all made?
[8:58:57 PM] MB Management: the plotme worlds should work ATM
[8:59:10 PM] MB Management: the only thing is, the builds arent on any plots
[8:59:15 PM] MB Management: thats the only thing
[8:59:20 PM] }{TeK}{: So you want me to pay 50$ for a should work setup where I have to put the builds in myself?
[8:59:40 PM] MB Management: ./schem load mcedit <name>
[8:59:42 PM] MB Management: .//paste
[8:59:44 PM] MB Management: thats it
[9:00:00 PM] MB Management: er
[9:00:04 PM] MB Management: i will give you the server
[9:00:11 PM] MB Management: and i will paste the builds
[9:00:32 PM] MB Management: its not my fault 1.8 plugins are so buggy
[9:01:21 PM] }{TeK}{: Can you not put up a server, paste them, then send?
[9:01:36 PM] MB Management: that will screw up the worlds
[9:01:38 PM] MB Management: thats the issue
[9:01:38 PM] MB Management: idc if you dont buy the prison, from what I can see, even if it is done before you pay a cent, you arent doing business with me anymore
[9:02:15 PM] }{TeK}{: Okay send the files I will do it myself
[9:02:55 PM] ***  ***
[9:02:58 PM] MB Management: there
[9:04:10 PM] MB Management: if you do decide to buy a prison from me, (which is probably a low chance), this won't happen again. This was the first time I was asked for a creative setup. prison we have done many times
[9:04:16 PM] }{TeK}{: It is no chance
[9:04:21 PM] MB Management: thought so
[9:04:29 PM] }{TeK}{: And don't use me as a vouch
[9:04:40 PM] MB Management: yeah, i wont
[9:05:47 PM] }{TeK}{: And you should think about the fact that you just charged a person 50 bucks for a horrible experience and the end product was unfinished and needed assembly. Especially in a community where you are trying to build a reputation
[9:06:13 PM] MB Management: yeah, i realize that
[9:07:11 PM] }{TeK}{: And I will think about whether I just write this all off and leave it be or whether I warn people about doing business until you get more vouches and sort things out.
[9:07:23 PM] MB Management: err
[9:07:27 PM] MB Management: tell them not to for creative
[9:07:38 PM] MB Management: i have done every setup but that
[9:07:49 PM] }{TeK}{: Creative or not, this was just unprofessional and wrong
[9:21:13 PM] }{TeK}{: and more errors
[9:24:10 PM] }{TeK}{: Yeah this is not working right
[9:24:57 PM] MB Management: Ugh...what is wrong this time
[9:25:14 PM] }{TeK}{: Loaded the files onto server and it's all busted
[9:25:30 PM] MB Management: Busted meaning..l
[9:25:53 PM] }{TeK}{: Meaning I am in a normal world, no essentials its in emergency mode
[9:26:55 PM] MB Management: 1.8
[9:27:03 PM] }{TeK}{: I am deleting the files off the server and my computer. Will offer you the chance to refund me the 55 I paid and save yourself a chargeback/report.
[9:27:14 PM] MB Management: Er..k
[9:27:23 PM] MB Management: I didnt get 55
[9:27:34 PM] }{TeK}{: I sent 55, I am not covering your fees you pay
[9:27:37 PM] MB Management: I go out 50.63
[9:28:11 PM] MB Management: Chargeback, gives you proof I did bad
[9:28:26 PM] }{TeK}{: So you are refusing refund?
[9:28:49 PM] MB Management: Im not refusing
[9:29:24 PM] }{TeK}{: You have sent $53.00 USD to David Stewart with PayPal - That is what you should refund
[9:29:43 PM] MB Management: Ok, chareback so you have proof
[9:29:49 PM] MB Management: Chargeback*
[9:29:56 PM] }{TeK}{: What do you mean? Just do a refund
[9:30:24 PM] MB Management: I cant
[9:30:27 PM] }{TeK}{: Why
[9:31:00 PM] MB Management: I paid my builders and techbanana
[9:31:15 PM] MB Management: So I dont have enough without taking it from my bank
[9:31:43 PM] }{TeK}{: So take it from your bank, save yourself the chargeback fees and the negative mark on paypal
[9:32:00 PM] MB Management: But if you chargeback, it puts me in negative instead of taking from bank
[9:32:10 PM] MB Management: Im not 18, its in my dads name
[9:32:20 PM] MB Management: But I own the account
[9:32:30 PM] }{TeK}{: But you get a bad mark - meaning there is a chance they will lock your paypal
[9:33:17 PM] }{TeK}{: So just confirm for me in writing here, you are refusing a refund and giving me permission to do a chargeback
[9:33:52 PM] MB Management: Well, I wont be able to refund until the 9th to 11th of this current month. I am not refusing refund. I cant refund
[9:34:26 PM] }{TeK}{: If you can't refund that means you are refusing a refund, same thing. So I need in writing that you are giving me permission to charge back instead
[9:35:21 PM] MB Management: You can chargeback
[9:36:05 PM] }{TeK}{: Actually since I paid with my paypal balance I need to put in a dispute. Similar procress but a bit different
[9:36:29 PM] MB Management: Yeah, I got it