<Cloud> I found this topic http://www.supermariobrosx.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4131
<Cloud> To know if Red would beat them all, we have to know the others' stats
<Blue> indeed
<Cloud> How many times is elsa hurt in frozen
<Blue> enough for red to win
<Elsa> lol
<Cloud> how many times
<Elsa> elsa is uh knocked unconscious once
<Cloud> by what
<Elsa> she trips and hits her head to the floor
<Elsa> she was running out of the way of a giant falling ice chandelier
<Blue> keep in mind though
<Cloud> did she get hit by the chandelier
<Blue> red canonically has 150 pokemon
<Blue> one of which is mewtwo
<Elsa> no
<Blue> sooooo
<Cloud> no no
<Cloud> elsa
<Cloud> no
<Cloud> i mean
<Cloud> blue
<Cloud> red uses Charizard, Venusaur, Blastoise, Pikachu, Lapras, and Snorlax
<Cloud> We're going with them
<Cloud> so Elsa's defense is like
<Elsa> she got out of the way but tripped and passed out
<Blue> but he COULD use mewtwo and whatnot
<Cloud> 60
<Cloud> which is almost as bad as caterpie's
<Cloud> (not)
<Cloud> wait
<Cloud> no
<Cloud> that's HP
<Cloud> elsa is she ever physically hurt by something
<Elsa> but no one manages to do any damage to elsa in the movie
<Cloud> ...so we don't know her defense
<Cloud> d
<Blue> red very well COULD use the legendary birds, mewtwo, blastoise and venusaur
<Cloud> we're going with the team i mentioned
<Blue> but /why/ are we doing that
<Cloud> so let's say elsa has 60/60 physical bulk
<Blue> actually hang on a sec
<Cloud> elsa does she ever physically slap someone
<Blue> is pikachu holding a light ball?
<Cloud> or physically hit someone
<Cloud> yes
<Cloud> not with ice powers
<Cloud> physical
<Cloud> slap
<Elsa> lol
<Elsa> no
<Blue> eh, attack doesn't matter elsa would always use special if she could
<Cloud> true
<Cloud> so let's go with 50 attack
<Cloud> 60/50/60/??/??/??
<Blue> so 60/50/60 so far
<Cloud> Elsa how fast is she
<Elsa> i dunno she's a human
<Cloud> does she ever run
<Elsa> a lot yeah
<Cloud> how fast
<Cloud> in mph
<Cloud> estimate
<Elsa> lol
<Blue> say she were to run 100m
<Blue> how fast would she do it
<Blue> in seconds
<Blue> we'll figure it out from there
<Cloud> well
<Cloud> not 100 base
<Cloud> consideriiing
<Cloud> if that were true
<Cloud> it means mega camerupt runs 20 mph
<Cloud> i can't see that
<Cloud> so
<Blue> i would agree
<Cloud> 100...i would say base 50 then
<Blue> a'ight
<Blue> so that's
<Blue> 60/50/60/??/??/50
<Blue> right
<Cloud> no no
<Cloud> she ain't running 100 mph
<Cloud> in the show
<Blue> right okay
<Blue> im dumb
<Blue> lol
<Cloud> 20
<Cloud> well
<Cloud> no
<Cloud> let's just pace her at 80 speed
<Blue> a'ight
<Cloud> 60/50/60/??/??80
<Cloud> so basically she sucks so far
<Elsa> make it 10mph or something
<Cloud> elsa how powerful are her magic atatcks
<Blue> well she damn well near killed someone, so...
<Elsa> well two grown men can't fight them back in one scene
<Cloud> base 125 sp. atk
<Blue> she basically killed someone so probably pretty good
<Elsa> and she froze her sister
<Cloud> or base 140 at highest
<Cloud> bc kyurem is better
<Blue> see i don't think anyone else exactly attacks elsa with any magic shit
<Blue> how would we determine spd
<Cloud> 60/50/60/140/100/80
<Cloud> that's her stats
<Blue> that sounds fair
<Cloud> so yeah she sucks in pokemon
<Blue> now let's compare to everyone in red's team!!!
<Cloud> so
<Cloud> uninvested
<Cloud> she's running 252 sp.atk / 252 spe here
<Blue> no cloud we're not going that far
<Blue> red doesn't do ev iv shit
<Blue> neither are we
<Cloud> fine
<Cloud> but every calc has 31 ivs
<Blue> fair enough
<Cloud> 0 SpA AElsaBlizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Venusaur: 318-374 (105.6 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
<Blue> just sayin
<Cloud> 0 SpA Elsa Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Venusaur: 318-374 (105.6 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
<Blue> bst is 190
<Cloud> so she screws venusaur over
<Cloud> bst isn't 190 lol
<Blue> 490 i mean
<Blue> oops
<Elsa> elsa makes it on top of a mountain in a matter of minutes when it takes like a day from anna
<Blue> it took ethan like
<Cloud> who?
<Elsa> maybe she runs like 40mph
<Blue> gold
<Cloud> it doesn't matter
<Blue> whatever you want to call him
<Blue> better than red guy
<Cloud> her speed doesn't matter in these calcs
<Keeby> what in the world are we talking about
<Cloud> 0 SpA Charizard Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Elsa: 254-302 (97.3 - 115.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
<Cloud> she gets screwed by zard
<Cloud> like, real bad
<Cloud> and she can't ohko back
<Blue> cloud we have to account for snorlax's thick fat btw
<Cloud> right
<Cloud> 0 SpA Elsa Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blastoise: 76-90 (25.4 - 30.1%) -- 2% chance to 3HKO after hail damage
<Blue> would this battle be on mt silver though?
<Cloud> 0 Atk Snorlax Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Elsa: 151-178 (57.8 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
<Cloud> yes
<Cloud> basically
<Cloud> red wins against elsa
<Cloud> as sad as valtteri may be
<Cloud> it's true