part7

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John: The ???acion??? added, that's just the cell?

Peat: That's just the indirect effect transmitted to the fluids and if they irradiated fish in water and then put new fish in the water, they suffered similar effects, transmitted from the secretions into the water of the injured fish, causing similar injury in the unexposed fish.

John: That's very interesting, that's pretty recent research, I'm looking at the references in your paper and that's 2007, is this fairly new evidence that's coming to light?

Peat: Yea, these few people are, if you look up bystander effect you'll find hundreds of articles over the last 10 years but I was running into it in Russian research in the 1960s already, they found that, in fact I incorporated some of those ideas into my thesis work. They showed that, first they would irradiate an animal's head and showed that it effected the pregnancy later but then found that irradiating any part of the animal had the same estrogenic effect and they used the term ???stressen??? as a name for the unidentified substance, secreted by the injured tissue that would then transmit genetic instability to the rest of the organism and offspring. The so called ???stressens??? are now gradually being identified as the ???phytokinds??? and serotonin and other things that injured cells produce.

John: It's interesting, you brought up Russian research because one of the things I wanted to talk about today was the different interpretations of what happened at Chernobyl, with the meltdown there of the reactor back in 1986, we're just about at the 21st year anniversary of that event and the W.H.O. in association with the international atomic energy agency, an ???unseer???, which is a committee of the U.N., has issued some several studies about Chernobyl and their assessment of the damage done by Chernobyl radically differs with a Russian study that just came out a year ago, I think they said, ya know immediately, ???unseer??? basically said that the only people who were harmed were the immediate workers and then there's been some thyroid problems that could have been alleviated if the government had acted quickly and issued potassium iodine for those children who were exposed. The Russian study, which I have the book in front of me, is quite amazingly thorough looking and it's taken them many years to put together, has said that over a million have died with many more to come.

Peat: Yea, the western journals reviewing, I think it was 300 basically western articles published in languages that Americans could read, concluded that 28 people died as a result of Chernobyl or maybe as many as 60 or 70 died from cleaning up Chernobyl, this group that wrote the book, looked at I think it was 5000 studies and concluded that a million people were killed.

John: Yea and it's not over yet because that pollution is still on the ground.

Peat: That's the sort of difference that I've always seen that has lead me to read foreign science by preference to American, I started running into it, I think I mentioned previously the book by Carl Lindgren called Cold War in Biology, he documented the firings of college professors and even high school teachers who questioned the Neil Darwin approach to biology and so I was aware that you couldn't trust American genetics and biology professors since that academic cleansing process had been done in the late 1940s.