Asteroids - 06/03/2017
Hey BB
Wanna talk @hewwitt ?
The way I see it, you wanna form Brandenburg
You're gonna have to take a jab at that HRE
But you wanna become Emperor too
So you have two choices, become Emperor for the 40 years left until the reformation happens and then lose the title
And possibly have to fight against Poland, Bohemia, Denmark and others
Asteroids - 06/03/2017
Or, let me be emperor just once. I'll make sure that Poland and Bohemia don't fight you and you can expand as much as you want, freely. I won't expand into europe after 1500 anyways
You make a lot of friends
And you can be emperor when the reformation happens by being in the protestant league
If you chose otherwise, there is independence which you know the harshness of
If we are not friends, I don't want to see the best land army in europe form
And if you are Austria's lapdog she will eventually come into odds against you for destroying her precious HRE
And with ottos on her side, you won't be able to do much
If you come at ods with her later, I don't think I will be your friend then as you have not been for me when I needed it
So let us be friends now
Take control of the lubeck trade node and you can be part of our finantial plan to multiply our trade income
Sincerely, and dearly,
The King of France
I am a man you can trust as my multiple allies can tell you.
By the way, I think I can arrange for danzig to be given to you
hewwitt - 06/03/2017
"The way I see it, you wanna form Brandenburg" (I assume you mean prussia): I mean i get prussian ideas even if I stay brandenburg. I get a very nice goverment if i do go that route, but the main benefits i already have.
Why do you want to become emporer, if not to have a route of expansion into germany?
I'm not austria's lapdog, that's for sure. He allied my AI, and tossed me around while i was disconnected, so i'm not at all a big fan of him.
I believe that you're a trustworthy guy, and in other circumstances i'd welcome we work together. But tell me; why should I give up my majority vote to you? Why assume I lose the emporership after 40 years? I'm on very good terms with several of the electors, and assuming I don't go for the prussia and reformation route, theres no real reason i'd lose emporership.
I'm not unwilling to discuss this, but ya gotta expand a bit on your reasoning.
So couple questions before i head off; 1. why do you want emporership? (I assume probably to fo for english channel for the new world trade) 2. do you really think you could take on PLC, Russia, and his other allies, if we do end up working together, and 3. When you say you'd become emperor 'just this once', is the implication that you'd support me as successor?(édité)
If your plans with the HRE aren't too heinous, and you'd hand over emperorship next election, I'd certainly be willing to consider working together.(édité)
cuz while I may not be dead set on forming prussia or anything specific like that, things are certainly getting very crowded in my corner of europe. I don't think i border any non-players at this point, actually.(édité)
but anyways yeah, im gonna head off, we can talk about all this whenever we're both on later
Asteroids - 06/03/2017
Well, I already have the majority
The popes votes for me as we're friends since the beginning of the ga
I just want the burgundian inheritance, after that I have no problem giving away the HRE
And PLC/BOH are my friends so I can ask them not to expand into you
7 mars 2017
hewwitt - 07/03/2017
"Well, I already have the majority"
you do not
nor will you unless i give up my own vote
which i have no intention of doing, right now
Asteroids - 07/03/2017
Yes we do have it
Cologne, Bohemia, Saxony and the Pope have confirmed it in private chat
Also some other Guy says he's Brandenburg
In /r/europe
11 mars 2017
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
So Hewwitt
Are you brabant or brandenburg ?
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
what lol?
im brandenburg
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
There's a guy named terror-rick who claims to be brandenburg as well
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
like recently?
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
No but his name is terror-rick - Brandenburg
Which is strange


hewwitt - 11/03/2017
sure
idk who cares, if he's not saying anything
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
Yeah I guess
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
there was a guy signed up for BB originally
but didnt show up for 2 sessions so i got them
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
Must be him
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
idk if thats him
probably
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
So
About the emperorship
I hear Bohemia and Poland are preparing stuff towards you while you're caught up in burgundy
I can try to dissuade them if you let me have the first turn
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
i hear you have 0 troops and 1k in loans
lel
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
Can you open the game and check again ?
I have the most manpower in all of the game, and 2 loans of 200
I could raise 50k in 6 months
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
by taking out more loans
and then you'll have 0 manpower
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
Eh, I'm also lowering economy so I expect 25% more tax and production
Also you have shit tech
I have the best european military tech
But why would you take the conversation this way ? You have almost no troops and manpower and your country is overextended ?
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
lowering autonomy*
I disbanded my army to make money
It was mostly mercs
So
What do you say ?
Can't we work together ?
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
eh
sorry im in a DnD game right now
just can't really have long convo atm
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
Ok
Tell me when you're finished
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
like in 6 hours, lol
it just started 4 mins ago
Asteroids - 11/03/2017
o shit
hewwitt - 11/03/2017
:S sorry lol
12 mars 2017
hewwitt - 12/03/2017
funny that we crash right after i make a deal to vote for you lol
i'll keep my promise tho, just unlucky
Asteroids - 12/03/2017
ok
13 mars 2017
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
Papal state seems to believe that the Reformation will not happen, but in the event that it does, can i be granted the opportunity to convert to Protestant?; I will do so for the most minimal amount of time possible, just to convert and form prussia, and the convert right back immediately.
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Of course
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
the Prussian goverment form heavily encourages playing tall, so it's not exactly against your interests
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
I'm not the fucking guestapo
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
great :smiley:
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Talk to me normally too please
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
lel
alright
congrats on the HRE btw
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Thanks it was hard work and luck
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
and EA, it's quite an interesting idea
yeah very true
the amount of diplomacy, actually pretty crazy
i saw you were in my groups discord :stuck_out_tongue:
gathering valuable info, i imagine
trier memes and all
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Invaluable
And memeing to the moon
Also I think Vac is castille
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
is he? lol
cuz i know he did try and go under a differnt name in our group
but yeah he might be in this one too
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Basically
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
guess at a certain point theres no real way to tell


Asteroids - 13/03/2017
The castille player's reddit is 3 days old
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
ah
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
= he started way after the game began
Somehow stumbled his way here
Vac has changed his steamid
But Castille player's steam had the same games as vac
I find it all very spooky
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
mhm
true, true
it's very possible
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Plus Vac swore to destroy France
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
lol
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Was Vac polish by any chance ?
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
guess that's his ultimate goal
irl? no he lives in america but is russian iirc
brb
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
mhm
this is so spooky
I think I'm going against castille then
Would you lend your space marines to a crusade ?
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
sure!
what else are space marines for?
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
True
My little birds close to ottos tell me Ottos has approached you for talks by the way
Would you like to comment on that ?
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
has he?
i have actually never spoken with him
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Well at least he says he has
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
i talked to austria
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
to my little birds
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
asked him for support for emperorship
but since that didnt hapen...
(plus austria RIP)
anyways no i've actually literally never talked to ottomans
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
rip in peperoni
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
except through austria
yep
wasnt ottomans a differnt player this session?


Asteroids - 13/03/2017
No, still the same
Ok great then
We should be crusading in next session
Do you have any ideas/miltech ?
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
I'm actually a bit behind, tbh
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
It's ok then
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
i have a good forcelimit now, but im on tech 6, no ideas yet(édité)
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
If you aren't tech 6 save your troops
Ah, tech 6 is good then
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
if i demand from nobility i can get tech 7 in about a year and a half
should be able to build up to forcelimit by then, too
who're we crusading against? ottomans?
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
yep
restoring biz
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
ok
i can get behind that
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Who can't ?
It's gonna be glorious
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
indeed
ur
whoops
he does have quite the forcelimit though
88k
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Yep
We should be fine thoigh
Esp if we can break tech 7 before him
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
true
he's pretty far off from t7
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
yep
But I'm thorn
Because I would like to inherit burgundy too
And 1500 is in 20 years
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
*torn?
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
torn
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
right
well
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
I think I'll go for Burgundy first
I made her nicely expand and all
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
in my opinion, don't take this as me having any kind of pro-ottoman views, i think we should leave em till we build up manpower
mhm
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
The ottos or Bur ?
Because we have a clear lead on ottos
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
leave ottos
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Unless they shit an ally like Muscovy
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
depending on how many show up
and he has been going on about how all he did this session was diplo
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Yeah
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
presumabely trying to rally people to his cause
its safer to wait, i would think
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
My little birds told me he got the pope to not launch a crusade if he gets attacked
But he has to reveal his allies
Because the alliance rules says if he don't has any when we attack they won't be able to join the war
Merely to send condotieri
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
true
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
I'm tempted to just take Burgundy
Gang pile it with friends
Then friends peace out and I sit on it until inherited
Meanwhile we all go for the ottos
Or we do leave the ottos alone for a while
Although in 5 years they will have tech 7
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
if you think we have the advantage, that'd certainly be the best way to go
i have less info than you tho
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
We have it
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
from what i see, we don't have anything decisive
who else would join?
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
I mean unless I'm being backstabbed
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
by who, lol
kind of too late for that :stuck_out_tongue:
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
I mean not really
If the north africans rally on otto's side, which is unlikely seing as how he wants to conquer them
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
what was the england war btw?
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
Their numbers would double
Some prank on poland muscovy

hewwitt - 13/03/2017
oh lol
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
I don't get why england didn't eat the brittish isles btw
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
mhm
well he is, i guess just slowly
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
No progress this session
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
mm
wait but who will be on our side against ottos
if you're willing to tell
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
A better question
Who will not be ?
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
haha, true
i was surprised by how much you were able to rally in the first war
guess we can expect similar numbers, if not more
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
yep
Although I am tempted to go with less
Since we have bridged the tech advantage
And hugboxing is not funny
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
mhm
we might have to wait until start of next session
if ottomans doesnt have much behind is back we should do your sit on burgundy-->kill ottos plan
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
True
If he has
We should just kill burgundy and consolidate
hopefully, there is an in between
The ottomans will have to directly ally whoever is supporting them
Unless it's the south african coalition who will attack spain
In which case I don't care that much because I am 90% sure Spain is vac
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
heh
yeah
im gonna head off tho, playing vagante w/ some skype friends
Asteroids - 13/03/2017
ok
See you
hewwitt - 13/03/2017
cya
14 mars 2017
hewwitt - 14/03/2017
Am I not a member of the EA? I thought everyone who's catholic and is in europe was a member.(édité)
I'd think it was just founding members, then, based on the map, but PLC isnt on founding member list, so yeah idk, what gives? (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/285115692095897601/291235939366469632/EA.png)
anyways, I'm off to work, msg me a lil later about all this if possible.
Asteroids - 14/03/2017
PLC is a member
He signed with the poland bal
You are not a member, you never asked
You realize however, that being in the EA means you cannot conquer land from Poland, Saxony, Bohemia ?
15 mars 2017
hewwitt - 15/03/2017
Oh, right yeah that makes sense lol. i thought the ball was Bohemia for some reason.
Yeah that's fine though; the no conquering people thing. My plan is to play tall now, anyways, and I'm on good terms with Saxony and Bohemia. Poland rivalled me last session, so obviously they're not too big a fan of me, but that only makes me more inclined to join, if doing so prevents them from taking my land.
Either way, yeah i guess I should have asked earlier; could I join the EA?

Asteroids - 15/03/2017
So
You should ask either Lubeck, Frankfurt and Cologne
Or Bohemia,Saxony,Poland
If you convince 2 out of 3 in one of those two groups you're in
hewwitt - 15/03/2017
apparently some people have voted already?
i just sent a message to cologne and he was like "yeah i already voted"
I've not even had the chance to make my case
Asteroids - 15/03/2017
I think he's neutral on the whole thing
hewwitt - 15/03/2017
indeed
am i not supposed to know how people voted?
Asteroids - 15/03/2017
You can ask her
I'm not in that region
hewwitt - 15/03/2017
do you know if the bohemia-saxony-poland region voted yet?
lubeck says the other region completed their vote
Asteroids - 15/03/2017
Nope
I don't think you're gonna get much luck with that one tho
Poland and Boh don't like you
But maybe sax does
hewwitt - 15/03/2017
currently awaiting a response from Bohemia
Asteroids - 15/03/2017
https://discord.gg/ekbnH
INVITATION EXPIRÉE
Here join
And get into the candidate's room
hewwitt - 15/03/2017
alrighty
Asteroids - 15/03/2017
to be fair some kinda want to eat you
hewwitt - 15/03/2017
i'm sure :stuck_out_tongue:
some (poland)
hewwitt - 15/03/2017
tell me why i shouldn't go to ottomans if i don't get in.
Asteroids - 15/03/2017
Cause you'd die even quicker and then nobody would actually feel bad about it
Bohemia is cutting you extraordinary slack
I thought he was the bad guy for you

hewwitt - 15/03/2017
Bohemia, Lubeck, and the other members of EA in this region have proven how bloodthirsty they are.
I think even you see that
Asteroids - 15/03/2017
Think of what terrible stuff they would do if they weren't constrained by diplo
16 mars 2017
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
Well presumabely I am now already technically a member of the EA; receiving enough votes for entry. If there was a vote, it'd be to remove me, not to veto the decision.
which is to say, it'd be a vote to 'get me to leave', not to 'prevent me from joining'.
which according to this "The EAC holds no coercive powers, it cannot force a country to do something. It can however forbid a country from doing something, such as conquering a certain region.", it couldn't do.
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
yes the EAC can technically forbid your entry
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
well yes but I'm already in.
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
not unless they refuse it
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
even if poland votes no, i'd still be in.(édité)
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Depends on the rest of the council
i'm gonna vote yes
North Germany probably no
Italy idk
Herr is east
so east yes
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
is the decision to enter a 2-step process?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
There must be consent of the council
so basically no majority vetoes
And the majority of council members have not had the occasion to pronounce themselves
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mm
i mean it makes sense, but i don't see that written anywhere in the treaty
(this https://hackmd.io/JwZgHAJgjALCDGBaYA2KJEwKwSQQwCYBTMRAMyLLBgCNgsoUaYg=?view#)
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
"EARC decisions can be voided by the EAC"
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mm
right ok
gotcha
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
This is mostly because we concluded this after midnight
And there were little people
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
true, right
im in canada soooo :stuck_out_tongue:
mid-day here
well alrighty then, i guess it's good night. I'm gonna head off too.
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
nite
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
See tho
When you thought had power and I proposed to be friends, you didn't want to
When I had power I still wanted to be friends
I trust this will be enough to gain your trust
We'll get working on how to net you some provinces in the future.

hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm, yeah that's true. I appreciate you putting in a good word for me, too.
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You'll see that to some extend when you have access to the backlogs
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
it still stings, giving brandenburg provinces to bohemia
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You got a pretty good deal
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
but yeah some future help there would be great
yeah all things considered
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You started out on the wrong side 3 sessions ago
Maybe denmark, maybe something else will come along
Maybe you'll even just buy/win those provinces for participation in wars
You have a pretty great asset with your army
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm
its kind of my only asset at this point, tbh
and i don't even have it yet
(i mean i havent filled out national ideas and all that yet)
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yeah but that should be finished in 50-80 years
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
but starting in the 1500s its gonna get incredibly powerful
yep
i checked
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
And you'll start with full militarisation all the time
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
~1540; 137.5% discipline
yep
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Few people actually have small prussia
That's gonna be ravaging
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
no, i might be salty towards bohemia but yeah you got my full support now.
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You'll see everything is far from perfect in the EA
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
indeed
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
We have snitches, we have expansionists, we have bullies
Nothing wrong with expansionism, but at the expense and betrayal of others I like it less
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Anyway
If you need some subsidies to get over force limit or priority development fund you'll have it
It's only fair
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
ok, yeah i didn't want to ask, directly, but it would go a long way, thanks.
it was either that or take a non-mil idea group
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Are ideas unlimited ?
Ie you can take as many from one kind as you'd like ?
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
no you can't have more than 50% in 1
i'll end up with 50% mil 50% adm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
There was an option added in last patch
Where that limit could be removed
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
really?
damn ill look into that
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
It's in the settings before launching a game
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
(i gotta run real quick btw, back in 10 mins, soz)
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
np
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
brbbb
kk :heart:
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
ok back
Should i sign under founding members, or should there be another section?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
I expect you're gonna be on the frontlines of every war lol
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
once i get my manpower back up yeah for sure
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
If there is such a thing as enemies when the time comes
Oh manpower
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
lead every battle
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
We can buy you mercs until your forcelimit forever
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
o
that works too :stuck_out_tongue:
mercs are good, at least for infantry
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
It's more practical because you can consolidate ranks immediately and then send fresh troops in
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yep
usually cav and artillery don't take much damage at all tho, so it's rare that you want to have them as mercs
especially based on how much they cost
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You'll need a fleet made exclusively out of cogs tho
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
oh?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yeah, mobility is key to winning the battlefield
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i have a 7-stack of barques pirating russia at the moment, lol
true, yeah
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
And engaging your troops
You can probably be in greece sooner by sea than by land
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i was thinking of basically not teching up in diplo at all tho; rather putting virutally every point into development
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Corruption will kill you

hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i can build the needed navy, but they'd be in trouble if they actually had to engage
how bad does that get?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
let me check
to see if it has a limit
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
ok
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
mhm
So it's caped at +0.5%
So you could
If you paid half of your income towards fighting corruption
I don't know if subsidies count as income
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
it does in the Economy menu, but not in the ledger
so im not sure
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Oh so actually it's fixed by development
So reducing corruption at the max of the slider costs 5 ducat per 100 dev
So here the price would be 5 ducats per 200 dev
And you could never tech in diplo
And I could probably pay for it throughout
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
well idk what would be more efficient, in terms of making money
there is also the cap of how much you can develop your provinces' diplo, till you can't develop them anymore
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
True
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
like if i have 3 adm 7 dip 3 mil im done
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
But as prussia you are guaranteed 3 as a minimum in monarch mil
So it's gonna be between 3 and 6 constantly
So you could be ok developping in Mil sometimes
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yeah maybe
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
And by setting admin focus you could also develop in admin and thus increase base tax
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i don't think i'll be able to set adm focus for a while but eventually, perhaps
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Also we could probably hook you up with a rival in the EA that you could humiliate every so often
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
right now i gotta get t7 and get quality
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
To get power projection
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yeah that would be really good
im close at the moment
like 45ish
maybe 42
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Quality as an opener ?
I would have taken defensive or offensive
For better gens
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
well it depends on whether i can take all mil ideas too
but for best policies i think it's qual-econ-offensive
tho i guess i could do offensive-econ-qual
offensive + econ gives artillery combat +10%, while quality + econ gives +5% disc.
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
if you get as you 4 mils Offensive Defensive Quantity Quality
You should be pretty ok
And for policies, Admin religious economic innovative ?
damn that would be one unstoppable army
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
it would indeed
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
I just checked
Your plans in regards to dip tech could very well work
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i dont think we have unlim idea groups tho
arathian would have had to allow it when first hosting, i believe
"Your plans in regards to dip tech could very well work" oh?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yeah
But basically you would need someone to finance you
And while your production income would grow significantly
So would your trade income
Except you're gonna collect shit
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
So better give your trade power to someone down the line like Lubeck
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i already do, yeah
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
So that it can engrange those ginormous amounts of money
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Also
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i might give stettin to him, too
definitely if i get some land elsewhere
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You probably will be capped out in dip mana at various points, maybe once every ten years
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
by developing?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yeah because you'd have to develop in admin and mil too to develop more
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
So if you ever get capped out, instead of loosing the points, I'll gladly gift you one of my provinces so you can add 5-10 dip dev to it in exchange for money.
or rather lose in a war so I don't have to repay the coring costs
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm

Asteroids - 16/03/2017
there is
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yeah i'll do that then
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
http://www.eu4wiki.com/Corruption#Increased_by
Corruption
+0.5% max
Which means to compensate this you have to give 5 ducats for every 200 development you have
You'll have to set your slider at 50%
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm
ok yeah
i shouldn't hit that point yet, too
so im safe for a few decades
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You'll hit it when you have 5 techs of difference between your highest and lowest
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yep
i think im 4 and almost 7 atm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
I'll gladly pay the corruption money out of my pocket if that means I can personnally enjoy your army when I go to war
Not just when I'm at war too
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
I'll make that deal
but keep in mind my army isn't incredibly impressive atm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
I know
Let's try to see how impressive it will get tho
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
don't expect my 20 stack to take care of 40k rebels just yet :stuck_out_tongue:
let's!
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You'll have +20% morale, +20% inf combat ability and +5% discipline from ideas
national ideas
+10% discipline from 100% militarization
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yeah i ran the numbers; by the time i have 3 ideas filled out and am prussia it'll be: 137.5% disc, ~55% morale, 30% inf. combat ability, 10% Cav, and 20% Art
yep
(brb)
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
3 ideas ? You mean 3 idea groups, no ?
Did you count advisors ?
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yeah idea groups
yes the +5% disc advisor
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Did you count army tradition ?
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yes
keep in mind the time tho, that's like 1540. in my last multi game we had people hit 135 in the mid 1600s
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yeah you can hit pretty high usually
I'm like to go for a high morale army
Since I'm more of a manoeuver/trap/stackwipe guy
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
If I need to wear down a high disc opponent I just send mercs
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
I should get some pretty spectacular generals, too, pretty soon
yeah
this is actually my first time plyaing prussia
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
How are you gonna get to 100 army tradition all the time ?
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
didnt even do a test game, since i switch off at the last second
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Condotieri can help because they win double
I can see you having +4 army tradition
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yeah pretty much by fighting in other people's wars all the time
do you get tradition from killing rebels?
i'm sure there'll be a good amount of that, too

Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yeah
If you're at -3 stab you get better militarisation
But Beware cos rebels inherit your discipline (but not your morale)
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mhm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Also your sweet spot will be 80 army trad when  you complete all your ideas
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
ill try and stay at -2, at least. at -3 you stop being able to declare iirc
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
It will tend to gravitate to that, climb if it's lower, fall if it's higher
and you'll have to keep it up by fighting
True
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
80 is real good
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yeah
You could also make plenty of generals
And rent them out to other people as stacks of 1k condotieri that can attach to their armies
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
true!
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yeah you're gonna be the military center of the world
so many stuff that you can't do in regular eu4 games we're gonna try out
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yeah for sure. that's 1 thing i really like about all this
its very rare that playing tall is at all effective, multiplayer or otherwise
having all this communication and people working together like this, in military, trade, etc, allows for some crazy things to happen.
what's your plan, btw?
you said you wanted to colonize
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Inherit burgundy, restore bizantium, maybe eat spain if it is the vac player because he's gonna try to kill and backstab me
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
lel
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
And then make the biggest trading chain you ever saw
And build cannals
And do even grander diplo shit
And then go home and write an epic AAR about it.
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
oh yeah the AAR
that'll be an interesting read when this is all over
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Yep
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i wonder how far in we'll get
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
I hope far enough
We are close to 70
I'm actually afraid that we'll have no enemies anymore at one point and a lot of people will try to cannibalize the EA
Which means we will still have enemies
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
indeed
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
that's usually the point when the game ends anyways, tho
don't fret tho
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Eh, I think between China and India and whatever coalition may arise from the rest of the world, we should be ok
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
most of the games i've done have ended a couple decades after people have nowhere left to expand except into eachother
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
+ the EA is specifically designed as to not be a hugbox
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
usually people end up canniblizing eachother, but actually in the last game i played, everyone in europe--I played netherlands--decided we were happy with our borders and didn't want to attack eachother at all.
mhm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
That would be so great
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yeah it was a welcome change
but anyways
i think this is probably the 3rd time i've said this today, lol, but i'm gonna head off.
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
me too
i should be alseep
Let me add you to the relevant discord channels
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
lol yeah damn what time is it over there
ok
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
4 AM
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
wew
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
lad
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
ya
is that all of 'em?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
You should see general room
Meme room
The assembly room
The east region room
And our own private room
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yep, i see all those
i'm in candidate too
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
eh, everybody is
except ottos and muslims
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
lel
ok great it's all settled then
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
yep
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
good night, dude.
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
wait
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
I see you added your info to
https://hackmd.io/OwQwJgxgnALATHAtHYMyJgBgMwA5G5RgBmiEIcARsTMAKY4CMArEA===?both
Did you also change the sum at the end ?
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
oh
no, i'll do that
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Thanks
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
images will be out-dated tho
but ill leave that to you guys
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
And also copy paste the new sum of the west into "state of the union" and re-do the state of the union sum
If that's not too much
I'll take care of the graphics myself
A few sessions in we're gonna be able to graph our progression !
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yep
should be interesting to see
also i didnt change totals, but looks like someone did
so that's all done, anyways
alright i'm off then
ttyl
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
they didn't change them in "state of the union tho"
Where there's the total sum of all regions
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
(oh ok i'll do that)

hewwitt - 16/03/2017
ok
g'night!
(report's all done)
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
nice
Beware of Venice
He's a shit in silk leggins
Cologne also was kind of a backstabber and an opportunist before all this, but supported me well enough
And the pope wants absolute religious power and is very devout for RP reasons
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
lol
yeah i've seen
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
But you should be somewhat safe now that you're in
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
he's pretty unhappy with my heretical ideas
mhm
i would hope so
don't be too hard on venice tho. there's a good chance that without him i wouldn't be in at all
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Why ?
He was basically telling everybody to just eat you
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
he's on good terms with bohemia and also put in some good words with him for me
orly?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
He wants you dead because you would be a good way to declare on bohemia without having Burgundy come in
Yeah I thought you would have read that
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
"
Herr Gamer, King of Bohemia - Today at 3:31 PM
Okay, @hewwitt, I only take Berlin
Because I've been getting shit from Venice
Besides, a new member wouldn't be bad in the EA"
mm
he wants to kill bohemia?
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
No hungary sorry
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
i though you can't declare on members?
oh right
yeah
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Confused the names because tired
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
lol
its fine, yeah
only reason i allied was as protection from PLC, anyways
(which worked, btw)
they had 30k troops at my border till i alled hungary
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Not really
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
worked for the session, anyways
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Hungary is on the eat list for PLC/Boh/Venice
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
yep
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Actually they were declaring on you just to get him as a nice bonus
But they were gonna eat you at some point
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
well either way we worked things out in the end, and venice decided to give some words in support of me for some reason
idk, doesn't matter now
im just gonna sit quietly in my little corner of germany till VIVA LA PRUSSIA half a century down the road
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Oh by the way
There's a complication
The pope is trying to stop the reformation
I think he has events to lower reform desire by 40%
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
so i've been told
we can get into more detail later, but i ran a simulation where his plan didnt work
he gets an event, when reform desire hits 50% to lower it by 10%
he thinks he'll get it every time it hits 50(édité)
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
He has 4 of those actually
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
oh
really?
i only got 1
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
and one can remove the events that gives the most reform desire for all countries
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mm
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
And since there's not many AI countries in europe left
I don't know how it's gonna turn out
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
well ill look into it tomorrow morning, anyways
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
http://www.eu4wiki.com/The_Papal_State#Reform_Desire_Control
The Papal State
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
With a little bit of chance you can just spawn separatists
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
could i join north-german region later, when we finish up with negotiations?
can be a seperate thing
we put to council or whatever
cuz i think even if we agree to something, these guys will always want to kill me

Asteroids - 16/03/2017
They can't throw you out tho
Maybe if you want
But north germany doesn't really care about you
You could try to convince them by giving them stuff instead
but then you'd anger the east
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
they offered me a better deal
but idk cologne is like retarded or something (no offense)
i dont  think he understood that i only needed 2 votes to get in
and lubeck said he would only agree to vote if i got bohemia saxony and plc on my side
which is silly
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Cologne is retarded and opportunist(édité)
I would trust bohemia more
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
well no he's not tbh
like he didnt even want cologne
he didnt want anything from me
he was like "ill vote for you if you get one of the other 2 north germans to vote for you"
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
reveal the deal that north germ made you to bohemia
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
it'll force him to make concessions
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
and then i got frankfurt to vote for me
and then cologne was like "yeah but i can't" and then didnt explain why
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
Also Poland and Bohemia are council
So if they want to throw you out
They already have 2 votes
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
mm
true
we should look into the "show strength thing" a bit more btw
could be a way of farming points
Asteroids - 16/03/2017
yeah
He's testing it right now
He'll probably accept then
hewwitt - 16/03/2017
alright
19 mars 2017
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 03:23
yo
my dude
why do i have to show up 2 hours early again?
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 03:34
To talk with Bohemia
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:47
i obviously havent been paying enough attention
do you think denmark  will get into EA?
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:48
Idk
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:48
if you had to guess?
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:48
yes
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:49
ok
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:56
So, are you ok with all this ?
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:56
not really
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:57
This is a very good deal for you
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:57
with the deal?
i guess im ok with it
im not ok with denmark joining
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:57
Ah with denmark
Well neither is Bohemia/Poland so you have friends
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:57
idk, i said before i'd be happy just to sit and develop, but if he joins i have 0 places to expand
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:58
eh
Members can be kicked
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:58
lol
true
+ if pope really can completely stop reformation
thats prussia down the drain
i thought he got something wrong
apparently not
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:58
that actually saved you
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:58
how so
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:58
When I presented your case to the others
because they wanted saxony or livonian to form prussia
And I said they wouldn't be able to
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:59
mm
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:59
And brandenburg has the closest thing to prussian traditions even if we wouldn't have the government form
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 04:59
mhm
still tho
that's 10% less disp
5%, eventually
but still
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 04:59
It happens
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:00
12.5% if you count protestant bonuses
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:00
:/
So what's your new final morale/disc
Without protestant and prussian ?
Because reformation can still hapen but maybe in the 17th century
Like 1600 something I guess
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:01
morale should be same. disp is 125%, then 130% after absolute monarchy
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:02
Still pretty good
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:02
eh
yeah but unbeatable
idk, tbh im thinking of maybe leavin' campaign
my group is starting their own tomorrow anyways
(idk, maybe someone would take over for me, cuz i am a fairly relevent country still)
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:04
Eh say it if you're gonna go so the others can eat you in peace
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:04
lo
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:04
Would be a dick move to talk all week and leave them hanging !
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:04
lol* yeah true
indeed
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:05
But honestly, the game could get pretty weird with the EA so stay
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:05
idk, im still thinkin'
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:05
I can make sure denmark doesn't join if that's what it takes
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:05
eh
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:05
Well not make sure
But you get my drift
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:06
idk i dont really have any 'demands' or anything, lol
im not even sure if ill leave
just thinkin
cuz if i do stay, anyways, everybody near me still wants my shit
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:07
If you're in the EA I can guarantee they cannot kick you out
And you can still buy land, or have it gifted in exchange for services
Which there should be a broad demand of given your army

hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 05:14
is there any chance we can tell pope to quit it with the anti-reformation stuff? (sorry if it sounds like i'm trying to get you to do shit for me to stay, i just dont think it'll be much fun if no prussia + no expanding)
(cuz, after all, the 'going tall' idea is only really good cuz its in prussian ideas)
prussian government*
we can still pretty much insta-convert centers of reformation
plus this way pope would get to take the other option in the events, which would give him a bunch of money
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 05:46
We should talk to him then
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 16:40
k im here
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 16:40
nice
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 16:40
did you talk to pope, or should i message him now?
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 16:42
message him
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 16:42
kk

Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 16:57
Ask him what he wants
And say that you can crush the reformation afterwards anyway
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 16:57
i said that, yeah
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 17:00

Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 17:00
ayylmao
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 17:00
kek
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 17:00
Tell him I have nothing to do with this
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 17:00
ok
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 17:00
I just told him
Wait
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 17:02
wait?
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 17:30
Btw
Pope's ok
He just needs a lot of money
I'm gonna attack burgundy
Can I have you help ?
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 17:30
ok
yeah ill help
Asteroids - dimanche dernier à 17:30
Alliance + war ?
hewwitt - dimanche dernier à 17:31
sure, sounds good