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%Panther-T: It is time people
%Panther-T: TPP take it away bro
@Enki: Hello everyone and welcome to the OU workshop hosted by TPP and I
@Team❄️Pokepals: give me a sec
@Team❄️Pokepals: I got like 35 teams
@Enki: we are here today with Panther-T too
%Panther-T: sup everyone thanks for coming
@Enki: again if you want your team submitted make sure to send it to Team❄️Pokepals
@Enki: if your team got skipped it's either because its not viable, feel free to ask any team rater after the workshop
@Enki: here's the first team we got today
@Enki: http://pastebin.com/LcdDy41a
InnerGalaxy was promoted to Room Voice by Team❄️Pokepals.
+InnerGalaxy: hey
@Enki: Hi
%Panther-T: Hello
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Hey
%Panther-T: what did you build around firstly?
@Enki: do you want to spend a few sec talkin and explaining how is the idea around the tem
+InnerGalaxy: So i started with a powerful core of Fairy steel dragon
+InnerGalaxy: And ended up with my sweeper of excadrill, garchomp and diancie
+InnerGalaxy: The general idea of the team is to get drill in a position to sweep
@Enki: all right
+InnerGalaxy: via rocks and phasing mons out that threaten the team to be worn down by rocks
@Enki: a few things arent good here rn
@Enki: your core, all of them has water weakness
%Panther-T: I'm noticing that your team really struggles against bulky waters
%Panther-T: yea
@Enki: and garchomp isnt fixing it
#IronBullet: workshop haipe
@Enki: also most of waters has ice coverage
+InnerGalaxy: M-bro and such
@Enki: for example
%Panther-T: Even mons like keldeo, manaphy, suicune get to click scald against most of your team
@Enki: azumarill is a big of a threat
@Enki: your whole team cant switch into it
@Enki: Keldeo is a threat as well
%Panther-T: tbh I'd run something like Amoonguss over chomp here, and opt to run rocks clef.
+InnerGalaxy: but then wouldnt i lose to bird spam
@Enki: InnerGalaxy whats your playstyle
%Panther-T: You have rotom-w
@Enki: what playstyle u want to make this team
%Panther-T: Plus diance
+InnerGalaxy: The team is balance/ho
%Panther-T: Is it balance or HO (your intention)
+InnerGalaxy: its Ho
+InnerGalaxy: is what its supposed to be
@Enki: bulkoff can work too here
@Enki: since i see a clefable too
@Enki: how sound latios over garchomp?
@Enki: it's an offensive variant of a water resistor
%Panther-T: yea that's a better fit
+InnerGalaxy: sounds like an idea
+InnerGalaxy: another levitator
%Panther-T: also now
%Panther-T: on rotom
%Panther-T: run 88 speed
%Panther-T: to outrun jolly azu
%Panther-T: and daunt
@Enki: a ground resistor works pretty well with diancie
@Enki: + keldeo check
+InnerGalaxy: lati set; surf,psyshock,draco,defog?
@Enki: another thing i didnt really like in the main core is adamant excadrill
+InnerGalaxy: LO
@Team❄️Pokepals: should be Jolly to make sure you outspeed as many things as you can
@Team❄️Pokepals: but first off
@Team❄️Pokepals: the team really hates opposing scarf excadrill
%Panther-T: I'd really run recover>defog
@Enki: latios has to have recover
@Team❄️Pokepals: it can hit Rotom and Garchomp/Latios with EQ and it'll leave you in a tough spot
@Enki: if we decide to keep excadrill so we can remove defog
@Enki: or either work on a specs trick set
@Enki: which helps vs stall
@Enki: as tp mentioned
@Enki: scarf excadrill is very scary
@Enki: clef is rendundant imo here
@Enki: I'd change it for something like hmm
@Enki: if u want to stick with the cminder
@Enki: suicune can work here pretty well
+InnerGalaxy: Yea that would work, adds a bulky water
+killintime: over bro?
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: We'd need rocks somewhere if we're replacing clef
@Enki: suicune over rotom sorry :x
+killintime: so we keep the clef?
%Panther-T: ye
+killintime: so its no longer a cm set sorry im a little behind
@Enki: removing rotom makes the team less scarf exca weak
+InnerGalaxy: what cune set?
%Panther-T: Also idk if you got this but run 252 hp, 172 def, 88 speed rotom (for azu and crawdaunt)
+InnerGalaxy: yea i got it
%Panther-T: ok
+killintime: I have that down but if we are replacing rotom
@Enki: as last change i'd work on talonflame
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: birds will be kinda threatening
+InnerGalaxy: wait wait
+InnerGalaxy: slow down
+InnerGalaxy: are we replacing cune or not
%Panther-T: oh my mistake, sorry
+killintime: I think you meant 248hp Panther-T but now im just being pedantic
%Panther-T: we are replacing rotom with cune
+InnerGalaxy: yea rest talk cm?
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Vincune probably
@Enki: talonflame iwth that set has a low durability, you can do it a defensive taunt bulkup set or an offensive sd set
@Enki: it's really up to you
@Team❄️Pokepals: what changes have you guys done so far?
+killintime: so tect/scald/cm/sub?
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Maybe rest vincune but both work tbh
+GxK: woa
+InnerGalaxy: is that the spdef set i take it
+InnerGalaxy: for talon
@Enki: give it a try with tect, roar and rest
@Enki: if the bulkup yea
@Team❄️Pokepals: So what's the current team?
+killintime: scald/protect/roar/rest cune?
+killintime: ill pb in a sec Team❄️Pokepals
@Enki: diancie exca latios suicune clef and talonflame
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Scald cm rest sub With 252 hp 200 speed timid to creep tran
%Panther-T: imo run enough speed to hit 230 on cune for azu
%Panther-T: and daunt
@Team❄️Pokepals: the vin cune set's meant to outspeed diggersby iirc
%Panther-T: oh we're doing vinecune, nvm then
+killintime: rest into defence?
+InnerGalaxy: So for vinecune ev's we're at 252hp 56def 200spe timid
+killintime: http://pastebin.com/jdmViRZh
+killintime: so to be clear its looking like this so far?
@Enki: InnerGalaxy do you have any other question abou the team?
+InnerGalaxy: stall matchups
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: It's 16 spd and 40 spa with the rest
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: The other way round mb
@Enki: specs latios with trick can really work vs stall
+killintime: oh woops im still cb on the bird
%Panther-T: Also, taunt tflame is great for that
@Enki: and taunt talonflame helps too
+killintime: make that lefties
+InnerGalaxy: trick over what move on lati?
@Enki: draco psyshock surf and trick
+InnerGalaxy: Okay looks good now
@Team❄️Pokepals: you might wanna go with a more defensive clefable set
@Team❄️Pokepals: cause while Suicune is bulky
+InnerGalaxy: the bold set?
@Team❄️Pokepals: he won't wanna take hits that often
+InnerGalaxy: i now have to cm'er
@Enki: def not a problem imo
%Panther-T: agreed 216 bold spread is fine
@Enki: if you feel that it's alot try sub tect set
@Team❄️Pokepals: a Clef with 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpD Bold avoids the 2HKO from Mega Lop's return
@Enki: anyway do you have any other question?
+InnerGalaxy: No i think thats all
+InnerGalaxy: Thanks for the help
+EZ: i am hele :x
@Enki: ok cool, thx for submitting your team and gl testing it
(InnerGalaxy was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Shudnt we be no item for darks
@Enki: the next team is a rain team
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: on talon
@Enki: http://pastebin.com/PzZyMzkj
NinjaGriffin was promoted to Room Voice by Team❄️Pokepals.
+NinjaGriffin: hi everyone
+killintime: hey
%Panther-T: sup
@Enki: Hi
@Enki: You submitted a cool rain team
+NinjaGriffin: thanks
+NinjaGriffin: I like it a lot but i think it can be tweaked
+killintime: hmm might want some more speed on that pert
@Team❄️Pokepals: if you wanna use ludicolo, you should run a life orb and then add focus blast (as a coverage move) in the 4th slot to make at as offensive as possible
%Panther-T: I'm really thinking at first glance that kingdra would be nice here over ludicolo (with HP Grass). imo it serves the same role but is much better at actually breaking for your pert and scizor
+GxK: talonflame should be level 100
+GxK: and isn't too good with shell bell
+EZ: ^
+GxK: acrobatics + bb is redundant
+NinjaGriffin: i wasnt too sure on having tflame
+EZ: if ur running talonflame, then u need some sort of hazard removal or else talonflame will also be at 50 if rocks are up
+NinjaGriffin: thats the slot im having some issues with
%Panther-T: I think it'd be more efficient to run something over t-flame that doesnt require as much support
%Panther-T: an obvious replacement is torn imo
@Team❄️Pokepals: Rotom isn't used much on rain teams, and Thunder doesn't work out on rain teams, as using another rain abuse like Torn-T would enable you to apply more offensive pressure
%Panther-T: ^
@Enki: remove raindance from politoad
+GxK: yeah torn would be significantly better
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Running rest and toxic/encore > ice beam and protect give poli recovery and some way to not be bait for set up sweepers
@Enki: guys lets go in order to give him and to everyone a clear idea on what he needs to work on
%Panther-T: agreed
%Panther-T: ok so let's start with the ludicolo (left to right)
+NinjaGriffin: ok
@Enki: first of you need to pick a mega
@Enki: scizor or swampert
+NinjaGriffin: swampert
@Enki: you cant have both on the same team
%Panther-T: oh right just noticed that lol
+NinjaGriffin: for swift swim
+killintime: Its metal coat scizor anyways
@Enki: well scizor works pretty well in rain too
@Enki: yea, but we cant keep it anyway
+killintime: ye
+NinjaGriffin: he does, but the team based around mswampert
@Enki: I'd think about a better offensive way to abuse rain like torn as you mentioned
@Enki: try superpower over lowkick on mega swampert
+killintime: over scizor or talon?
%Panther-T: we'll get to those later
+killintime: alright
%Panther-T: and yea agreed w/ superpower
+NinjaGriffin: ive got low kick, might try out sp
@Enki: last thing is going max max
@Team❄️Pokepals: to make sure you outspeed as much as you can
@Enki: superpower is stronger, def better
+killintime: ye you want to out speed scarfers as well
%Panther-T: we good with swampert?
@Enki: yea
+killintime: sounds fine
%Panther-T: Cool
+NinjaGriffin: yeah
@Enki: then ludicolo
@Enki: protect is just a waste of a rain turn and a slot
+killintime: you recommended kingdra yes?
%Panther-T: Kingdra is a much better option from an offensive standpoint, and if you run HP Grass it still fulfils the niche
%Panther-T: yea
%Panther-T: *the niche of beating gastrodon
@Team❄️Pokepals: it just drops a draco
+killintime: so hydro/beam/hp grass/draco?
%Panther-T: you could just do scald, Team❄️Pokepals lemme calc draco
@Enki: no just scald hydro icebeam and draco
@Team❄️Pokepals: ^
+killintime: alright
@Enki: you can go with surf or dragon pulse
@Enki: really up to you
%Panther-T: yea it doesn't take draco well, you dont need hp grass
+NinjaGriffin: Ill probably test out both
+killintime: may as well spam the broken fire water move
@Enki: then there is a rotom, which doesnt abuse rain
@Enki: because of the lack of offensive power
@Team❄️Pokepals: Bird spam or talonflame in general do well against rain teams because of the lack of resists
%Panther-T: yea in rain teams you want mons that can best take advantage of the rain, rotom just loses offensive momentum
+EZ: i just want to point out the team lacks a rocker
@Enki: so what if we do something like kabutops over swampert and make scizor the mega
@Enki: I really prefer kabutops instead, not wasting the mega slow too
@Team❄️Pokepals: or Ferro > Scizor?
@Team❄️Pokepals: if he wants to keep swampert that is
+killintime: I think ferro is better
+killintime: the man built around pert
+killintime: lets try and keep it
@Enki: if his point is just abusing "swift swim" then i'd go with scizor
+NinjaGriffin: ive tried out ferro but couldnt decide between him or scizor
@Enki: because ferro takes birds, but he doesnt do crap
%Panther-T: yea
@Enki: also rain is a pretty standard playstyle
%Panther-T: thats my issue with that as well
@Enki: you can do w.e you want, but there are a really few options that you have or mons that you can change
%Panther-T: but if it was built around pert then ferro is fine i guess
@Team❄️Pokepals: so uh I think we can start off with Kabutops over Rotom and go with that first and then explore our options a bit
@Enki: NinjaGriffin do you prefer mscizor and kabutops or ferrothorn and mega swampert
+NinjaGriffin: ferro and swampert have worked quite well for me
@Team❄️Pokepals: isn't Kabutops on the team either way?
+NinjaGriffin: im gonna replace rotom w with kabutops
%Panther-T: Alright
@Enki: so many waters imo
@Enki: 4?
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Isn't Kabu + pert redundant on rain to an extend?
@Enki: yea i agree with that ?
@Enki: ^*
+NinjaGriffin: it why i like having scizor to deal with grass types
+EZ: do we still have talon or do we have torn now?
@Enki: regular scizor isnt really good
+killintime: we are moving mon by mon EZ
+EZ: ok
@Enki: we are changing talon to torn
+killintime: havent gotten there yet
%Panther-T: yea we are tho
%Panther-T: ultimately
+killintime: ye
+killintime: lo or av?
@Team❄️Pokepals: LO
+killintime: alright
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Something like a lati or thundy cud be nice to help with bulky waters > wash
@Enki: scald ibeam hypnosis / toxic and rest
+EZ: if the team has no rotom run some more physical def on toed, or else u struggle with sand rush excadrill
+NinjaGriffin: yeah, ill run enki's suggested move set too
%Panther-T: imo we could just run rocks on pert and keep scizor
%Panther-T: cause with torn+specs kingdra+EQ from pert imo ferrothorn is heavily pressured
@Enki: the team is either politoed kingdra swampert tornadus ferro and latias i'd say or politeod kingdra kabutos tornadus and mscizor
@Enki: do you guys agree with that?
+EZ: yeah both versions look fine
%Panther-T: Another option is something like politoad, mega pert, scizor, kabutops, torn, kingdra
@Enki: also never go with protect on a rain team because you just waste rain turns
@Enki: 4 waters and regurlar scizor meh
@Enki: i doubt i can work
%Panther-T: fair enough, it's something to consider though. i agree with the other variations nonetheless
@Enki: NinjaGriffin do you have any other question?
+NinjaGriffin: no other question, thanks for the help lads !
+NinjaGriffin: questions*
@Enki: cool man, thx for submitting your team
%Panther-T: np gl with the team
@Enki: and gl testing it
+NinjaGriffin: ty
(NinjaGriffin was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
@Team❄️Pokepals: alright here's the next team http://pastebin.com/TpVGDwnA
Skizar was promoted to Room Voice by Team❄️Pokepals.
+Skizar: eyy
@Team❄️Pokepals: so the 3 biggest threats I saw with this one
%Panther-T: hey
@Team❄️Pokepals: were Heatran
@Team❄️Pokepals: Talonflame
@Team❄️Pokepals: and then Excadrill
+Skizar: and weavile ffs
@Team❄️Pokepals: you got scizor
@Team❄️Pokepals: and keldeo
@Team❄️Pokepals: Weavile wont' be an issue
+Skizar: lol
+killintime: pretty sure clef checks to an extent as well
%Panther-T: oh man talon snack wraps this
+Skizar: u got the wrong team
+Skizar: ffs
@Team❄️Pokepals: I did?
+Skizar: thats my friend
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: For excadrill u could run 40 def relaxed tangy it still takes on keld
+Skizar: ye
@Team❄️Pokepals: oh I didn't notice you sent 2
@Enki: it's the wrong team wait
+killintime: loool
+Skizar: http://pastebin.com/0bYtsYpt
+Skizar: lol
+killintime: ye that would make weavile a prblem
+killintime: lmao
+Skizar: i have to play around
+Skizar: so much
@Enki: ok talk aobut how did you build that teamù
+Skizar: what am i gonna do now
+Skizar: k
%Panther-T: like what u built around, your intentions for it, etc
+Skizar: i decided to go with diance mega
+Skizar: as its a threat
+Skizar: i saw the water type probs with diance so i added amongus etc Azu, keldeo
+Skizar: then i wanted some sort of lati counter
+Skizar: jirachi serverd well as it was a latios counter an late game sweeper
+Skizar: i relized how weak we were to bish and sciz-mega and jir
+Skizar: so i added a chomp
+Skizar: i wanted a stall breaker and balence breaker
@Team❄️Pokepals: net died, but I'm back
+Skizar: torn was the choice
+Skizar: welcome back
+Skizar: when i though of it
+Skizar: i added rotom to volt twins
+Skizar: around
+Skizar: with torn
+Skizar: so when in a good suitation
+Skizar: i can come in with diance
+Skizar: rock polish
+Skizar: and sweep
+Skizar: if team is lowerd
+Skizar: ez
+Skizar: simple
+Skizar: done4
+Skizar: 2 hours later
+GxK: i'm just gonna say right now that if you're using rp diancie you have to play extremely agressively to get off the rp
+Skizar: btw i added rotom for the ground welaness
+Skizar: ye
+killintime: hmm well tbh I think his team is fast enough, does it really need to rp? hes got a scarfer/torn/diance
+Skizar: ye
+Skizar: bbut
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Although this is not gonna deal with sharp I feel like this team has a really hard matchup vs zard x so lando > garchomp and running 128 speed on wash to check adamant bisharp
+Skizar: its just more safer
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Isn't gonna deal with weav*
+Skizar: but i dont have to
+Skizar: to be hoenst
+Skizar: i can outplay it
+Skizar: if i think
+Skizar: but thats being aggresive
@Team❄️Pokepals: Zard X is probably the biggest threat, but if you remove chomp, then Scizor becomes a huge threat as well
+Skizar: hmm
+Skizar: lando
+Skizar: can be replaced
+Skizar: *added
@Enki: yea i like lando over chomp
@Enki: and something else over rotom
@Enki: like a keldeo
@Team❄️Pokepals: that'd probably work
+Skizar: ye
@Enki: still having amoongyuss helps vs azumarill
%Panther-T: yea definitely
+Skizar: ye
@Enki: the team is pretty decent so that's probably it
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Lo on torn cud be nice bcs we don't need av as we have amoon
@Team❄️Pokepals: healing wish on Jirachi can help Keldeo manage late game if necessary
%Panther-T: Oh 1 thing
%Panther-T: i notice
+Skizar: lol na
%Panther-T: with rotom gone dont run a -def nature on diancie
@Team❄️Pokepals: just run the regular Naive Diancie with 3 attacks + protect
%Panther-T: you're gonna rely on it more to check pinsir, talonf, etc so a -def nature is a bit suboptimal for that
%Panther-T: yea
@Team❄️Pokepals: it'll be safer against bird spam
+Skizar: k
%Panther-T: Regular meaning max attack and speed
+Skizar: shud i replace
+Skizar: rotom with keldeo
%Panther-T: Yes
+Skizar: specs or scraf
@Enki: hp electric on that tho
+killintime: specs
+Skizar: k
%Panther-T: Scarf helps vs. +1 zard but otherwise specs is better
+killintime: ye but if hes going to run scarf
+Skizar: tbh
+killintime: he should switch the rachi then
%Panther-T: Yea ik
%Panther-T: specs is fine
+Skizar: forgot i had rachi
+Skizar: lol
%Panther-T: just wanting to address all options
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: We could also try like specs lati > torn bcs elects look kinda ominous atm
+Skizar: amo teals with it
+Skizar: *deals
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Amoon can easily be worn down and loses to stuff like the rare mega man , but np thundy does quite a lot
%Panther-T: Alright guys anything else you notice?
@Enki: nah
@Enki: weavile
@Enki: keldeo is the best thing here
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Latis > torn tho so we still have keld
+Skizar: na
@Enki: I think we are done
+Skizar: then
%Panther-T: Keep it healthy basically, like if they have a heatran for example dont hard switch into keldeo as frequently if they have a weavile
%Panther-T: for example
@Enki: keld and lando are enough for the team imo
+EZ: lando over garchomp and keldeo over rotom is all the team needs
+Skizar: btw if we swtch torn with latios we lose to zard y with ttar
+killintime: so keep the torn av or switch it to lo?
+Skizar: keep av
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Torn doesn't beat zard y well tho
@Enki: urs keep sb
@Enki: av*
@Enki: 2 changes on this team are ok to fix it
%Panther-T: Agreed with ez and enki, just make sure to run naughty if you're going with rock polish; naive if you're 3 attacks protect
@Enki: Skizar do you have any question?
+Skizar: k
+Skizar: na
@Enki: cool thx for submitting your team
+Skizar: are we gonna do now
%Panther-T: Cool good luck with the team and thanks
@Enki: and gl testing it
(Skizar was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
@Team❄️Pokepals: our next team is http://pastebin.com/raw/vXBa1StN
Mr. Perry ♬ was promoted to Room Voice by Team❄️Pokepals.
+Mr. Perry ♬: god bless perry
+GxK: tele
+GxK: that you?
+Mr. Perry ♬: so guys
+Mr. Perry ♬: i built that team today
+Mr. Perry ♬: for the suspect ladder
@Team❄️Pokepals: having faced this team before workshop, I can say that fire types like Talonflame and Heatran really give you a hard time
+Mr. Perry ♬: yep
+Mr. Perry ♬: mega meta too
+Mr. Perry ♬: if played correctly
+EZ: team is weak too sd excadrill
%Panther-T: brb guys
+Mr. Perry ♬: i was actually thinking
+Mr. Perry ♬: about a stronger breaker
+Mr. Perry ♬: than talon
+Mr. Perry ♬: like crawdaunt and shit
+Mr. Perry ♬: so i can break through teams with spikes
+Mr. Perry ♬: but idk
@Team❄️Pokepals: you'll need Heat Wave on Zapdos to help with Scizor in that case, but Crawdaunt could work
@Enki: for excadrill too
@Team❄️Pokepals: you got an option to revenge kill Excadrill, and Crawdaunt can be a nice answer to double into when Band Tar tries trapping Zapdos
+Mr. Perry ♬: my "starter team" was actually trying mega medi
+Mr. Perry ♬: but idk
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: One thing I noticed about this is that it is a hazard stack which may need to click defog so if we could fit a spinner that could be nice ig
+Mr. Perry ♬: it was mew/ferro/mega medi but i could never find options to kill the twin zards
+Mr. Perry ♬: in those 3 options left lel
+Mr. Perry ♬: so mega altaria fit that in a single position
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Actually nvm we're adding daunt so hazards won't be too problematic
@Team❄️Pokepals: Panther-T you there?
+EZ: this is a fat team, i dont think crawdaunt would be a good addition
+killintime: Team❄️Pokepals he said he would brb
@Team❄️Pokepals: Enki said the same thing too -_-
@Enki: im here
%Panther-T: just got back sorry
@Team❄️Pokepals: cool
+Mr. Perry ♬: ban panther
@Team❄️Pokepals: oh yeah finally remembered
@Team❄️Pokepals: Weavile
@Enki: ez and I were thinking of making sdef skarmory and clef over mew and ferrothornj
@Team❄️Pokepals: was the threat I was trying to remember
@Enki: which helps against manaphy that destroys this team
+Mr. Perry ♬: am i not mega medi weak then
+EZ: i recommend u run spd skarm over ferrothorn, this give u a way to handle excadrill better, and also a way to hit strong fairys like gardevoir
@Enki: leftovers on zapdos over helmet
+EZ: then clefable over mew to help out with the manaphy problem that was created when we removed ferro
+Mr. Perry ♬: mg?
+EZ: unaware to take on manaphy and other boosters
+killintime: it would have to be unaware to beat mana wouldnt it?
+killintime: ye
@Enki: yes
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Doesn't mmedi 2 hit clef after rocks tho
+killintime: I think so
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Ig we could force him to predict if he's not jolly zen with protect
+Mr. Perry ♬: maybe i could run a more physically ev'd zapdos?
%Panther-T: I'd also run discharge on it over tbolt tbh
+killintime: ^
+EZ: ok
+EZ: since if we remove mew we create a medicam problem we can replace talonflame with clefable instead
%Panther-T: I like that
+killintime: isnt that what we are doing with mew
@Enki: no
+EZ: we need to keep mew to handle medicam-mega
@Enki: we keep mew
@Enki: and clef over talon
+Mr. Perry ♬: ok
@Team❄️Pokepals: just run Clef over Mew and then Keldeo over Talonflame
@Team❄️Pokepals: gotta beat Heatran somehow
+Mr. Perry ♬: i was thinking about equake > heal bell on altaria
+Mr. Perry ♬: but idk
@Team❄️Pokepals: and then get something to beat Amoonguss
+Mr. Perry ♬: the cleric sup is great
+EZ: if we remove talonflame then run heat wave on zapdos
+Mr. Perry ♬: ok
+Mr. Perry ♬: unaware clef + spdef skar + stallbreaker mew + sr seis + sup mega alt + static ? zapdos
+Mr. Perry ♬: is that fine
+killintime: lo thundurus looks like a pain I think thats just me
@Enki: pressure is better
+EZ: we can run rest over knock off on semistoad to better handle the heatrans and give more longevity
@Enki: to pp stall
@Enki: and what ez just said if u think that heatran and electrics are a big problem
@Enki: + you want more longevity
@Enki: also discharge
@Team❄️Pokepals: Rest should help with Weavile too potentially speaking
+killintime: ye youve got the hb support now as well
@Enki: that too
+killintime: should be a decent option
@Team❄️Pokepals: if you take a knock off and are able to successfully rest later, you can probably tank enough hits to wear it down with LO and then rest again
@Enki: you can have now eq over hbell
@Enki: on malt
+killintime: oh right the altaria had it
@Enki: or make it dd cottong guard
@Enki: or make cm clef keeping that altaria set
@Enki: a few options that you can try
+Mr. Perry ♬: ok
+Mr. Perry ♬: psychic or knock off on mew?
@Enki: keep knock
+EZ: knock
@Enki: do you have any other question?
+Mr. Perry ♬: one
+Mr. Perry ♬: unaware clef usually runs hb
+Mr. Perry ♬: but so is my altaria
+killintime: ye as enki said
+Mr. Perry ♬: o
+Mr. Perry ♬: nice
+killintime: you can do other things with the altaria moveset
+killintime: that all?
+Mr. Perry ♬: yep
+Mr. Perry ♬: thanks
+Mr. Perry ♬: :]
+killintime: n_n back to you Team❄️Pokepals
@Team❄️Pokepals: thanks for joining us
(Mr. Perry ♬ was demoted to Room regular user by Team❄️Pokepals.)
@Enki: thx for submitting
@Team❄️Pokepals: Here's the next team http://pastebin.com/MGDQQ4Qv
vsomaniv3 was promoted to Room Voice by Team❄️Pokepals.
@Team❄️Pokepals: main thing that stuck out to me was the double sash
%Panther-T: Alright what did you build around firstly?
+vsomaniv3: Double sash?
@Enki: standard HO i'd say
+vsomaniv3: zard x HO
@Enki: xtra formula
+vsomaniv3: it was my brothers
%Panther-T: ya
%Panther-T: One thing im seeing that's worrying
%Panther-T: is this team's matchup against stall
+vsomaniv3: Rocks
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Wait that's my team and it isn't updated
@Enki: you can make it a sash spam too >:x
@Team❄️Pokepals: Breloom's the only mon that gets past Quagsire
%Panther-T: Yea and even then it will not outlast stall (hazards, helmet dmg, etc)
+vsomaniv3: Quag is rarer
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Those were just my tweaks for the suspect ladder, bcs I felt quag stall would be less prevalent
+EZ: u can prob try a bisharp that can lure qaugsire which opens up for zard
+vsomaniv3: K
@Enki: skill swap over hp steel
+vsomaniv3: but quag moon stall is rare
+vsomaniv3: why this is for the suspect ladder
+vsomaniv3: w/o msab
+EZ: ur physical attackers are all walled by quagsire apart from breeloom
@Enki: well we are in between a non sab meta and a sab one
@Enki: you should keep thinking about msab bein a thing
+vsomaniv3: for the sab meta I k colbur zelf with skill swap
+EZ: tbh i dont really like how u have a sucide lead but then defog which will be used for zard
+vsomaniv3: k
%Panther-T: I feel that something that
@Enki: scarf exca is always a must here
+vsomaniv3: but lati gets worn
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Would a mie + roost zard be better
@Team❄️Pokepals: nah Zard wants 3 attacks
@Enki: exca over lati?
@Enki: can do both
@Enki: and yea zard 3 atks
@Enki: on HO
+vsomaniv3: n not that I k hwish
+EZ: excadrill over latias is fine cause u already have azu to take on some water attacks
+vsomaniv3: like maybe something like rocks scarf drill
@Team❄️Pokepals: it doesn't wanna take scald tho
%Panther-T: EZ what sort of bisharp were you thinking?
+vsomaniv3: knot
+vsomaniv3: off
+vsomaniv3: *ofc
+EZ: a bisharp that lures quagsire for zard something like grass knot does the job
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Grass knot sd sucker iron head ig
+vsomaniv3: but quag amoon is rare
@Enki: i'd try that if you face many quags
+vsomaniv3: k
@Enki: if not keep it normal
%Panther-T: Definitely agreeing with drill over lati, we could consider running lum azu here to help with scald
@Enki: so do you have any other question?
+vsomaniv3: It's meant to be hwish Zard x
+vsomaniv3: lum azu is a no no
+vsomaniv3: I miss sitrus
+EZ: a spinner is needed because defog + suicide rocker is counter productive
+EZ: and u will be forced to defog for zard
%Panther-T: Yea aren't done yet
%Panther-T: we*
@Enki: cool
+killintime: do we need to keep zum?
@Enki: vsomaniv3 do you have any other question?
@Enki: yea
+killintime: can we just use starmie and do something with the lati slot
+vsomaniv3: Why not something else >else and I keep lati
+EZ: azum will need to be kept if we replace latias or else keldeo is problematic
+vsomaniv3: id run hwish
+vsomaniv3: For twave rotom
+vsomaniv3: like scarf rachi > lati
%Panther-T: I like killintime's suggestion of starmie over latias to still retain hazard removal that isn't redundant with a suicide lead
@Team❄️Pokepals: Starmie also helps with Diancie a bit
%Panther-T: yea
@Team❄️Pokepals: it can tank a hit like once and then scald back or force it out
@Enki: it works too, the difference is that exca works better
+vsomaniv3: The whole team pressures rockers
@Enki: rkill + scarfer + spinner
%Panther-T: Bisharp+azu+breloom is fine for revenge killers imo
+EZ: the team lacks speed without scarf exca with the fastest mon being the rocker
+vsomaniv3: Maybe mie >lati and lando >atelf
+killintime: My intention was to replace zum->starmie and make it some sort of rker over lati
+killintime: up to you guys thou I guess
+vsomaniv3: Ye
+vsomaniv3: Zum?
+killintime: azumarill
@Enki: azumarill
+vsomaniv3: O
+killintime: since youd gain a water switch in not fearing status as much and carries spin
@Enki: lati cant be kept, because of the suicide lead + defog
+vsomaniv3: im open to removing azelf
%Panther-T: scarf drill
%Panther-T: plus lum azu could be fine
+vsomaniv3: like maybe mie> azu
+vsomaniv3: and filler >zelf
@Team❄️Pokepals: run Starmie > Latios and then Lum SD Garchomp over Azelf
+vsomaniv3: k
+vsomaniv3: ill try that
@Team❄️Pokepals: Starmie helps with spin and helps with diancie
@Team❄️Pokepals: Garchomp can give you rocks, it's fast and can sorta help with rotom a bit
+vsomaniv3: K
+vsomaniv3: im fine with that
@Enki: do you have any other question?
+vsomaniv3: n
@Enki: cool thx for submitting your team
+killintime: gl man
@Enki: gl with testing it and let us know how it goes
(vsomaniv3 was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
@Team❄️Pokepals: next team (could be our last) is http://pastebin.com/pwGEhvWa
%Panther-T: yea keep in mind all the suggestions and test to see waht works best
MasterAmpharos was promoted to Room Voice by Team❄️Pokepals.
+MasterAmpharos: Hey guys
+killintime: welcome
@gradeagarchomp: hello
%Panther-T: hello N_N
+MasterAmpharos: So I built this team with aNIS
+EZ: thundurs lacks a nature, run timid on it
+MasterAmpharos: and I aim to Put loads of offensive pressure
@Enki: Hi
+MasterAmpharos: but I have a a crippling ice weakness
@Team❄️Pokepals: what does Clef's EV spread do?
+EZ: the team struggles versus bisharp with latias giving it free set up and nothing appreicating sucker or iron hed
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Ye he posted this in rmt so I gave a rate p sure lando a supposed to be def too
+EZ: this can be fixed with keldeo over manaphy
@Enki: I really like here keldeo over mana yea
%Panther-T: yea
%Panther-T: 100%
+MasterAmpharos: Okay
@Enki: also you have no rocks
@Team❄️Pokepals: 216 Defense on Clef helps avoid the 2HKO from Medicham's HJK, and that much defense should also suffice for Mega Diancie's Diamond Storm
@Enki: which has to go on clefable
+EZ: agree with enki
@Enki: defensive rocks looks good
+MasterAmpharos: I tried switching in clef on a weavile
+MasterAmpharos: Ate a poison jab
+MasterAmpharos: So keldeo
+MasterAmpharos: is p good
@Enki: on this kind of team i can see roost zard working too, even if eq here looks cool
%Panther-T: I'd also run roost on zard here, latias is really pressured as your only real water resist, and thus doesnt really have room to defog
%Panther-T: damn snipped :(
+killintime: yes hes got the pressure for it
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Ye if we're going roost zard we could try blast thundy as well
+MasterAmpharos: Okay
%Panther-T: Plus keldeo, lando pressure tran. If you are still worried about it tho surf is an option on latias
@Enki: yea pretty much focus blast here
+MasterAmpharos: blast over what?
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Knot
+MasterAmpharos: k
+EZ: do u guys think jirachi over clefable is a good option? the team lacks a fairy resist
+killintime: scarf?
@Enki: no
+MasterAmpharos: SR?
@Enki: i'd keep it like that
@Enki: clef is pretty big here
@Enki: also it makes the team weaker to weavile and bisharp
@Enki: I mean clef aint helping against them lol
%Panther-T: It would be SR if added but I disagree with adding it here
+EZ: ok, i just felt that dianice could be problematic
+EZ: and we have keldeo now for the darks
@Enki: yea
+MasterAmpharos: Do I run CM keldeo?
+killintime: ah we kept the lando scarfed mb thought it was def for some reason
@Enki: i think that's all
@Enki: no
@Enki: specs here
+MasterAmpharos: K
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: Lando shud be def TBH bcs zard x sets up on thudny
@Team❄️Pokepals: scarf lando's probably fine
@Enki: ^
@Enki: do you have any other question MasterAmpharos?
@Enki: the team looks pretty solid rn
+MasterAmpharos: Last move on keldeo?
%Panther-T: Yea I like it, zard x is so solid
+killintime: hydro/scald/icywind/sword
+EZ: run hp eletric to lure bulky waters for zard
+killintime: ah hp elec over wind
%Panther-T: he doesnt need to lure latios when u can just scald burn it+you have clef
@Enki: I guess we are done with this team
@Enki: yea
+EZ: yeah gl with the team dude
@Team❄️Pokepals: wanna do 1 final one?
%Panther-T: gl!
%Panther-T: yea let's do it
@Enki: thx for submitting the team
@Enki: gl
+killintime: sure
(MasterAmpharos was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
@Team❄️Pokepals: http://pastebin.com/SKCuPPFp
BlueDevil81 was promoted to Room Voice by Team❄️Pokepals.
@Enki: Hey
+BlueDevil81: Hey
%Panther-T: sup man
+killintime: hmm seems interesting
@Enki: yea pretty cool team
+killintime: so BlueDevil81 want to tell us a little about the team?
@Enki: wanna give us an idea
%Panther-T: what u built around, aim of it, etc
@Enki: about the building process
+BlueDevil81: So I built a mega sceptile squad mainly cause I wanted to use something a little different
+BlueDevil81: The teams built around weaville and azu chipping down and taking out big threats or walls
+BlueDevil81: and sceptile comes in and cleans up
@Team❄️Pokepals: could you explain the Zapdos EV spread?
+BlueDevil81: its just the spdef one on smogondex
@Team❄️Pokepals: why did you choose SpD?
@Enki: make it def
@Enki: its worth it
+BlueDevil81: Okay
%Panther-T: Also run max HP Heatran here. It's your only fairy resist and you heavily rely on it to handle zard (x/y), clefable, gard
@Enki: stealth rock taunt lava epower heatran
%Panther-T: ^
@Enki: max hp max speed yea
+BlueDevil81: Alright
%Panther-T: You could run earthquake on sceptile to make room for toxic on tran, which is nice against balanced teams in particular
@Team❄️Pokepals: you'll want Taunt to help handle Amoonguss
@Enki: you can try discharge over tbolt and heatwave over hp ice, but i like hp ice to lure scor, chomp and lando and you have tran too
+aNIShsOMaNiツ: You could also run cm on bro to act like a wincon
+BlueDevil81: Yeah I like that
@Enki: yea
@Enki: or also manaphy
%Panther-T: Do discharge for sure, thunderbolt is to OHKO pinsir, but why OHKO it when you wall it anyways
@Enki: but i really like the team how it is
@Enki: so i wont change it much
@Enki: do you guys want to add something?
%Panther-T: No, looks solid from my end
@Team❄️Pokepals: you can run 4 speed EV's on Slowbro
@Enki: do you have any qestion BlueDevil81?
@Team❄️Pokepals: to outspeed Amoonguss
+BlueDevil81: I think I'm good
@Enki: cool
@Enki: thx for submitting
+BlueDevil81: ty guys for the advice
@Team❄️Pokepals: that way you can get in a Psyshock before they hit you with Sore
@Enki: gl man
@Enki: yea
%Panther-T: Yea if you have further questions
%Panther-T: feel free to hit up any of us
(BlueDevil81 was demoted to Room regular user by Enki.)
@Enki: Thanks everyone for bein here
%Panther-T: Team pokeizzle thanks for hosting
%Panther-T: Team pokepals*
%Panther-T: oml
@Team❄️Pokepals: lol
@Enki: we couldnt rate all of the teams because we recived alot
%Panther-T: Yea guys we got like 40 teams
@Enki: thx panther ez and tpp for being here too
@Team❄️Pokepals: I got like 50+ teams
%Panther-T: no problem man it was a lot of fun
@Enki: be sure to be here next time
%Panther-T: thanks to all who came
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