uglybro279

uglybros279 - Today at 5:42 PM
Soo...
how would i go about working my way up to head knight?
McNamara - Today at 5:46 PM
You there
uglybros279 - Today at 5:46 PM
yes
McNamara - Today at 5:46 PM
Are you a double agent?
uglybros279 - Today at 5:46 PM
but I am about to leave for the toilet
well. Acussing me already?
No offense but I don't think that is a great way to greet your initiates
I literally just joined
But no
I'm not
was that all you had to ask?
McNamara - Today at 6:03 PM
You're a high profile member of one of the factions that we're relationally gray with
uglybros279 - Today at 6:04 PM
what do you mean relationally gray?
define the current relationship between NCR and BoS
McNamara - Today at 6:04 PM
They've determined that we're KOS targets (In-game at least)
And your President boasted that there was a mole in our organization.
So it appears as though you have two options
uglybros279 - Today at 6:05 PM
considering I am extremely new to the factions in nvmp
i couldnt really be the mule
ive learnt nothing
literally nothing
how could i be a mule
McNamara - Today at 6:06 PM
1. Renounce your affiliation with the NCR
or
2. Leave and not return
uglybros279 - Today at 6:13 PM
Will that suffice
Hell, I'll attempt to spy on another major faction for you if that will earn me your trust
will the enclave do? considering they are your enemies
or the khans? possibly both
McNamara - Today at 6:15 PM
Why not both?
uglybros279 - Today at 6:15 PM
and if so, try not toi make the same mistake as the NCR president about ratting out their mole, or at least letting the faction that there is a mole
which, considering I just stepped down as VP for you, you should have more trust in me when I say it wasn't me
McNamara - Today at 6:16 PM
So you are admitting to joining us for the purpose of gathering information
uglybros279 - Today at 6:18 PM
Also, I take that offensively both towards me and Blaze. If I was a spy, did you actually think I would just waltz up in here asking how to get to high ranks? thats a dumb way to go about being a spy if you ask me (which you kind of are). Plus, do you really think Blaze is that incompetent to keep his mule as the VP of his faction
Wait what? Did you not just read anything I just said?
You're trying to play me aren't you?
surely you must be lying
]because a faction that thinks of you as KOS targets, wouldnt have you as one of their council members
McNamara - Today at 6:23 PM
I never asked for councilmanship
uglybros279 - Today at 6:25 PM
i never asked for VP
I was asked and my respone was "yeah why not"
I'm not sure whether to consider you an idiot, or extremely crafty
could this be an attempt to kill the NCR from the inside out
also you said why not
Because pulling a double spy could be hard
hello?
McNamara - Today at 6:45 PM
The disrespect alone is enough for me to remove you from the organization with haste.
uglybros279 - Today at 6:45 PM
The disrespect?
The disrespect?
Didn't you have the disrespect to instantly acuse me of being a spy
then accuse the NCR president of being almost mentally incompatent?
Wait so you are going to COMPLETELY disregard what I have said
You ask for my defense then ignore it
I ask you for evidence and you present none
all you can present are assumptions based on rumours that might not even be true
McNamara - Today at 6:51 PM
I reserve the right to chose who I let in and who I do not
Frankly, you're incredibly rude
uglybros279 - Today at 6:51 PM
and that is going to be the basis of kicking me out
McNamara - Today at 6:51 PM
I want nothing to do with you.
uglybros279 - Today at 6:51 PM
I'm being rude because you're doing thias
this*
McNamara - Today at 6:52 PM
You have no grace, no class.
uglybros279 - Today at 6:52 PM
I have no grace and no class?
McNamara - Today at 6:52 PM
Go back to the NCR. I'm sure they'd have you.
uglybros279 - Today at 6:52 PM
Is that how you base your initiates?
McNamara - Today at 6:52 PM
It's certainly a factor.
uglybros279 - Today at 6:53 PM
I understand it's a factor, but that seems to be all you are basing this off
I';m being rude because you are falsly accusing me of something impossible for me to do with very little evidence other than rumours
and in terms of me being rude. i havent actually said anything rude
I havent insulted you
McNamara - Today at 6:55 PM
Alright, I'll give you my reasons.
uglybros279 - Today at 6:55 PM
please do
McNamara - Today at 6:59 PM
You call me an idiot for investigating a situation, and your only defense is terrible rhetoric, claiming that "It's impossible, and I'm an idiot for thinging it's not".
^ I would kick you out for this alone
2. You ask me how to get Head Knight right off the bat. No harm in questions, obviously, but you seem in it for the wrong reasons.
^ I would not kick you out for this
3. I built this faction, and in our short interaction I've already determined that you will bring us down, not raise us up. As this is my faction, I reserve the right to shape it.
4. You are the vice president of the NCR, and you mentioned that you could spy on several other factions. Specifically the factions that the NCR bragged that they had infiltrated. You don't fool me.(edited)
uglybros279 - Today at 6:59 PM
okay
uglybros279 - Today at 7:00 PM
lets have a fair debate about this
McNamara - Today at 7:00 PM
No
uglybros279 - Today at 7:00 PM
is that okay with you?
McNamara - Today at 7:00 PM
I'm sick of talking about this. I have work to do
uglybros279 - Today at 7:00 PM
at least let me have chance to say things against what you have said
I wont be rude, or offensive
McNamara - Today at 7:00 PM
Fine.
uglybros279 - Today at 7:00 PM
Thank you
1: I never called you stupid. I said, and I quote,l "I don't know whether to call you stupid or extremely  crafty" that , understandably could be taken either way, but with everything you had said up till that point, I thought you would focus more on the lagtter rather than the former. Considering you did not take that the right way. I apologise.
2. assumptions are usually made, and fair enough for making that one, it is the smart thing to do. However, I believe this assumption to be wrong because there is no basis for it. Just because I regard ranks as important doesn't mean I don't want to get to high ranks for the right reasons. I believed I was the right person for the job considering I work well with numbers and take notes on a constant basis, and the other person running for that role is a med student who is rarely active. I understand that live is more important than this. That much is pretty obvious to me. However, having a rarely active person in a high and very important role is not a good idea if you ask me. I also see that you said youw ould not kick me out for this. I just wanted to give you my input.
3. I personally do not understand how you came to this assumption in our short interaction. Maybe it was due to me rubbing off the wrong way on you. But that is down to you. You made up your mind and that is fair enough. Not much can be done about that.
McNamara - Today at 7:08 PM
You're not sorry
Your appologies are accusative
But finish 4
uglybros279 - Today at 7:10 PM
4. I am rather new to this. Newer than this faction by over a quarter. I've been here for little than 4 days. Active anyway. I don't know who the NCR has spies on. But what I do know is that the DRM president bragged publicly about these moles. I mentioned that I could spy on 2 of your enemy factions to try to gain your trust, as a last ditch effort to try and stay in the faction that I want to be in.
or who they say they have spies on*
If you have not changed your mind after reading this. Then that is fine and I will willingly leave
McNamara - Today at 7:12 PM
That it hasn't.
You just seem really insincere, and logistical-minded or not, that's not a quality I look for in associates.
But I appreciate the effort of your appeal.
uglybros279 - Today at 7:13 PM
Thank you.
Sorry that I wasted yours and your faction members time, and I truly am sorry that you took things the way that I didn't intend you to take them
Goodbye and good luck