[08:38.43] <Alonzo`> I don't mean to come off as annoying but, I don't actually see what was disrespectful about Niva's comment. Again, speaking in the most polite, and professional sense.
[08:39.05] <Alonzo`> She just expressed an opinion.
[08:39.10] <leeter> we've had a very serious issue with disrespect to the mods lately
[08:39.52] <leeter> to the point were people are openly flaunting the rules on occasion
[08:39.57] <Alonzo`> I don't see how that relates to kicking someone who didn't say anything disrespectful... Again, speaking with the utmost respect I afford to anyone tasked with the miserable job of moderating a place on the internet, it stikes me as painting with a broad brush.
[08:40.15] * leeter  sighs
[08:40.28] <leeter> it might seem like a tiny thing
[08:40.33] <leeter> but that shit spreads
[08:40.34] <Alonzo`> I sympathise I just... If Niva didn't do anything disrespectful, why kick her for disrespect?
[08:40.44] <leeter> because I don't want to ban her
[08:40.56] <Alonzo`> No, I understand, once discipline breaks down people are impossible to deal with
[08:41.01] <leeter> I wield two tools of enforcement
[08:41.03] <Alonzo`> mods need to be respected, I understand and agree completely.
[08:41.09] <leeter> both of which are incredibly heavy handed
[08:41.14] <leeter> far more so than I would like
[08:41.16] <Alonzo`> Well, you have... Words.
[08:41.27] <leeter> I am not the most eloquent person
[08:41.34] <leeter> my apologies
[08:41.41] <Alonzo`> Again, if you disagree with her, that's a lot different then her being disrespectful.
[08:41.57] <leeter> it's not a matter of disagree
[08:42.05] <leeter> the statement had no place in channel
[08:42.18] <leeter> it deliberately called out a specific mod and a specific policy
[08:42.25] <Alonzo`> Fair enough, but that's not the stated reason you kicked her
[08:42.31] <leeter> one that I have been the most visible in enforcement of
[08:42.39] <Alonzo`> Niva disagreed with you, and stated such publicly, directing it at someone else.
[08:42.44] <Alonzo`> You kicked her for disrespect.
[08:42.45] <leeter> no it was the exact reason
[08:43.07] <Alonzo`> On the note of eloquence, I think you underrate yourself.
[08:43.12] <leeter> if you call out someone by name on a specific policy in channel publicly you are challenging their authority
[08:43.26] <Alonzo`> That strikes me as painfully defensive.
[08:43.38] <leeter> a fair point
[08:43.51] <leeter> I'm not going to claim freedom from conflict of interest here
[08:43.52] <Alonzo`> I can disagree with a communist's views, without challenging his authority on any intellectual subject.
[08:44.15] <leeter> I'm going to claim I'm doing my damn best
[08:44.21] <Alonzo`> I can understand that.
[08:44.47] <Alonzo`> But I think you're just going to generate bitterness from people with something that... And forgive me if this comes across as judgemental... Belicose.
[08:45.14] <leeter> I understand that
[08:45.21] <leeter> I'm not here to be their friend
[08:45.24] <leeter> I'm here to moderate
[08:45.35] <leeter> if I happen to be their friend so be it
[08:45.45] <Alonzo`> Myself, and a lot of people, only degrade our respect for administrative staff when we feel their judgements defensive, unnesissarily harsh, or belicose.
[08:45.56] <Alonzo`> And hating people who moderate is a good way to kill a community.
[08:45.56] <leeter> I understand
[08:46.14] <leeter> I already have people that openly disrespect me
[08:46.41] <Alonzo`> Which does deserve administrative action, I agree.
[08:47.08] <leeter> and yet acting will create feedback
[08:47.13] <leeter> I'm damned either way
[08:47.23] <Alonzo`> I just feel lashing out, and again, I know that sounds harsh, at people who merely express opinions in a frankly rather buisness-like and passive way, will just create more disrespect
[08:47.51] <leeter> I think you've made your point
[08:47.54] <Alonzo`> Whilst admisitrative action against people who are legitimately disrespectful won't. AT least not to the same degree.
[08:48.04] <Alonzo`> And I have. I'll leave my point there.
[08:48.09] <leeter> thank you