Ninka/Vaanrose

So people are wondering what we know and why we choose to hide it. As such, rather than allow the general leak thread to continue harping on it, I've decided to share our research and what we have acquired, since Shun said that maybe I should make a public post on it, as well as Ninka getting clearance to discuss the contents of the pictures. You'll see why I didn't want to make these public without further evidence (as well as Shun, but eh, might as well now)


http://i.imgur.com/vs3UPDc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2ekzmPt.jpg

Now you're probably going "Hey, those are just Brawl mods, who the heck cares". You'd be right, they are Brawl mods and not interesting in any way. However, allow me to show you why these are interesting.

http://imgur.com/vs3UPDc

Notice the upload date? This was created and uploaded before E3 and the SSB4 demo (upload date June 6, created before then), something that should technically be impossible. Shun (the one connected to the source) said these recreations were made by his friend, by memory, to show Shun some of the new alt colors in Sm4sh . There was one other image as well

http://i.imgur.com/CYB7pdf.jpg

This will be a new alt for Bowser, not included in the demo.

Now, you're likely wondering how I came into possession of these. Shun sent me a PM that included these as a thank you for standing up for him. Let me show you the most important part of the PM besides this evidence

    To clarify, my friend [EDITED]. During the time he was employed, he made sure he didn't actually tell me anything important. The recolor details he shared because he and I are design nuts and just like talking about that sort of thing. I was surprised when he told me the info about the roster, because I did not ask him about it. He was struggling to remember all the characters and told me "It's hard trying to figure out who's missing. It's a pretty big cast".

    Consider this stuff a "thanks for sticking up for me" even though you're basically risking your own neck in the event I'm some malicious guy just out to cause havoc. Hope this all helps you out with your info scanning and trying to find out if any of these "leaks" are actually true or not.

    For what it's worth, I don't think my friend had the whole picture.

Shun theorizes that his friend did not know every detail, partly because of memory, and part because some things may have been missing or not presented clearly. Con0rrrr, who I shared this with because of our similar stances and non bias on the issue of leaks.

FACTS
Gematsu (whats left)
-Shulk
-Chorus Men

Vaanrose

    I've been debating whether or not to contact you guys for a couple hours now. But I have information pertaining to this leak that, until today, I thought was completely false.

    This account is brand new, because for whatever reason I never made an account here before, but I'm vaanrose from the kc-mm forums. You guys might recognize me from some of my Brawl mods. I made the Duck Hunt Dog model that's in Arcadenik's avatar, plus that Mega Mewtwo Y from before he was even called that. I also collabed on the Wolf alt for Project M. I've been AWOL from the Smash community for a little over a year now, but your recent leak thread has pulled me back in.

    I never in a million years thought I'd be posting friend-of-a-friend game leak info, but there's a first time for everything, I guess. I know exactly how these kind of things sound, and that there's really nothing I can do to make it sound any less like "my dad works at Nintendo." But hopefully whatever reputation I might have as a modder can lend some small credence to what I'm about to say.

    I live about forty minutes outside of NoA's offices in Redmond, WA, and I know a guy who works there. I've only spoken with him a few times myself, but we share a mutual friend, one whose word I trust completely. I don't know what this guy's job is, only that he works there. Until today I thought he was low down on the ladder, in the kind of position that you wouldn't expect to get info about unreleased games. But he did get info, and he elected to share it with my friend.

    When I was first informed through our mutual friend about three characters this guy had said were in the game, I didn't believe it for a second. Just a few days after E3, he told my friend that he knew Robin, Duck Hunt Dog and Bowser Jr were in the game as playable characters. I was fairly certain the Gematsu leak was real, so I disregarded this info almost immediately. I was dead sure the guy was full of it when he said Robin was the new Fire Emblem character.

    In hindsight, I now wish I would have shared what I learned prior to Robin's reveal trailer, as I'm now left with nothing but my word as proof I knew he was in the game before his official announcement, but there was really nothing at the time to suggest what this guy had said was true. Even after Robin's announcement, I still didn't believe he had actual legitimate information.

    Not until today. Now I see two different sources say that Duck Hunt Dog and Bowser Jr are in the game, and I honestly don't know what to think anymore. I feel like those two characters are just too odd a pair for it to be a coincidence. One of them, maybe. But both of them?

    Moreover, it looks like you guys have a decent reputation around here, and aren't the kind to make this kind of thing up. So I felt compelled to speak up. I really can't add anything other than an additional source saying Duck Hunt Dog and Bowser Jr are in, as that was all I was told, but even that is pretty big, I think.

    First thing I did when I saw your thread was contact him for more info, hoping to hear him say something that would line up with your info and confirm it. But he's elected to not tell us anything more, since he wants to keep his job. I respect his decision, and honestly, I've only spoken with him personally a handful of times and don't really feel comfortable pressing him for more info anyway.

    I did specifically ask him about Dixie Kong, however, as she is one of my most wanted characters. Unfortunately, he told me he has no knowledge of a Donkey Kong newcomer. He told me he's pretty sure there are more characters than what he's seen, but that his guess is as good as mine as to who they might be.

    So, yeah. I'm leaving it up to you guys whether you decide to share this or not. I'm still not convinced this info is legitimate, but it's a pretty big coincidence if it isn't. Until today I really didn't believe it. I can give you my word I'm on the level, though. This is what I've been told.

    It's food for thought, at the very least.

    - - vaanrose

Ninka

    Hey team, just thought I'd let you know something that may interest you all. A friend of mine recently found out that a friend of his from college is currently a beta and bug tester for Sm4sh! While he has revealed that he is in fact aware of the roster he fears that his job would be compromised by giving us large details so he has essentially dropped a couple of details to us that are small but none the less interesting

    Keep in mind that I got my information about a week before the direct so some stuff has since been proven, I just didn't wanna talk about it until I got more substantial info/proof.

    -Roster is allegedly in his words going to be "The most beloved in the series to date" With him saying that there are some very unexpected surprises in store (Me and my friend speculate he is referring to the Chorus Men as well as Greninja)

    -Lot's of nintendo fanservice from series that have previously gotten little representation (was not specific as to what the representation was)

    -The game has been the most enjoyable in the series thus far gameplay wise (According to my friend, our source is a hard core melee guy, and hated design choices present in brawl, leading me to believe that the game leans more towards melee then brawl)

    -Costume colors have been completely redone axing some colors that have been present since N64. While no examples were given, his exact words were "There's some CRAZY stuff. Super tasteful, as usual."

    While I'm confident in this source, take it with a grain of salt, I know it's not that interesting of stuff, but it get's me pretty hyped.Oh and out of courtesy of my source, I'd rather that these observations and quotes do not leave this thread, and that if they do, at least credit me anonymously to keep from anyone getting fired and such! Thanks a lot all, and I hope you might enjoy these tidbits

    Post 2
    Little bit of info for you guys, according to my source, Charizard and Mario specifically will be getting some new costumes, with Mario's Blue team costume being replaced with something "Much more team friendly". He also stated that The outlines are hard to get used to on the 3DS but once you do, they work wonders, but didn't mention how team colors work on console.

    So I got more info...
    Unless my friend is pulling my leg, there's some pretty crazy crap left to be revealed.

    -Snake, Lucas, Ice Climbers (Why), and Wolf are cut
    -Doctor Mario is back as a clone
    -Dark Pit is a newcomer as a clone
    -Each character gets 8 alternate costumes, whether they be pallet swaps or new costumes.
    -Alph appears as 4 of Olimar's costumes, while the other 4 are Olimar's.
    -Shulk will be playable with Gaur Plains as his stage, his neutral B changes his Monado mode which essentially makes him dish more damage and take more, or do less damage, and take less.
    -Bowser Jr appears as a new comer and allegedly fights from a mario kart... has no alt colors, but instead has the 7 koopalings as alts.
    -Duck Hunt is in... from what I've been told it's the duck hunt dog fighting with ducks on his back who assist for certain attacks...

    *Edit more info
    -Shulk has like 5 different mode swaps
    -Bowser Jr rides in a koopa kart that attacks with cannon balls and boxing gloves and stuff that eject from the clowns mouth.

    note* The kart sounds more like the koopa clown car to me as I read it.

    Now I'm not even sure from this stuff so take it with a grain of salt, but my friend recently quit as a tester due to family reasons, so if he decided he no longer cares what leaks, I could see why he'd tell me.
    He was also unclear to me as to if that is the rest of the roster so also be wary.

    'Sup leaked thread gang. Just thought I'd actually post myself for once. Ninka_kiwi has been getting his info from me. But don't misunderstand, I never worked on Smash myself. A friend of mine did and Ninka was posting info here because he figured you wanted to know.

    I'm only posting myself now because the latest info I never intended to be posted here, but I hadn't told Ninka that upfront (so it's not his fault). Why you ask? Out of respect for my friend who gave me the info and because I didn't want to ruin all the speculation.And partly because I don't believe it all myself.

    If you're asking for e-mails,( of which, do not exist) logs, or me to ask my friend any questions, not happening I'm afraid. I don't ask my friend about Smash 4 as an agreement between us. He normally didn't answer my questions anyway, so any info I received he gave to me on his own discretion.


SPECULATION

http://boards.deniableplausibility.net/v/thread/255219896/#255219896

    >Dixie
    >Shulk
    >Chorus Men
    >Ridley
    >Bowser Jr
    >Mewtwo
    >Duck Hunt Dog

    No info on reveal dates. Please do not ask


    I do not know more.

    That maybe all. Was not told

This went along with our data and theories, yet we never made any of what we learned public. Of course 4chan leak, so grain of salt as with all leaks, but it's still interesting considering the timing and the level of detail between it and our findings, let alone it does not conflict with any of our active leaks. He also says he doesn't know if there are any other characters missing, which could be Doc and Dark Pit.

As mentioned, the issue of the IC/Lucas/Wolf is the problem. However I will say if any one of those 3 are confirmed, it won't kill Ninka's leak with this evidence, since we do think he may not have seen a build that included them. Of course, it's also possible that they'll sadly be cut as well. That's why we want this to be secret for now, until more evidence is made clear that can prove our findings one way or the other, but if we're right, the roster could be anywhere from 53 slots to 57 slots (57 being if the 3 vets and a Zelda newcomer come in).

Also Shun clarified a few things for me

    'Sup again.

    This time, just clarifying some info from the earlier leaks since Ninka was getting info Second Hand.

    -Roster is allegedly in his words going to be "The most beloved in the series to date" With him saying that there are some very unexpected surprises in store (Me and my friend speculate he is referring to the Chorus Men as well as Greninja)

    Mind you, this was said to me. My friend and I have peculiar taste in Nintendo. This is one of those things I would've preferred not go public (because everyone has their own idea how this series should go) but alas.

    - The game has been the most enjoyable in the series thus far gameplay wise
    I don't actually know where Ninka got this from. I just recall my friend saying he enjoyed playing it more than Brawl by a lot.

    -Costume colors have been completely redone axing some colors that have been present since N64. While no examples were given, his exact words were "There's some CRAZY stuff. Super tasteful, as usual."

    I should clarify. My friend and I are design nuts. This is the sort of thing he and I talk about most often. It's why the main details I had were related to palettes and such.

    That's basically it. I checked in the Leak thread and figured this would be good to clarify. Why not make a public post? Well, again, I doubt folks will believe me. Feel free to share this stuff though.

And that's the current extent of our knowledge. All I ask is to keep discussion on our data in here instead of the general leak thread, and to not spew venom at Con0rrrr, Ninka, Shun, Swamp, Bkupa, or myself. We're not trying to BS you guys, this is just the extent of what we have, and if anything is confirmed or deconfirmed, we'll update this information as it comes in.