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  Channel ID:      -71054424
  Channel Name:    Private Chat (alone)
  Listener:        Alex Grison
  Session started: 2015.07.23 18:28:51
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[ 2015.07.23 18:28:54 ] Alex Grison > whoops :P
[ 2015.07.23 18:29:02 ] Alex Grison > sorry I missed you, im at work and semi afk
[ 2015.07.23 18:29:49 ] Alex Grison > Dominic Saissore
[ 2015.07.23 18:29:50 ] Alex Grison > is the guy
[ 2015.07.23 18:29:54 ] X Molotov > Thanks
[ 2015.07.23 18:30:05 ] X Molotov > did he mention me?
[ 2015.07.23 18:30:40 ] Alex Grison > Yeah he said you had a proposal for some kind of buisness plan
[ 2015.07.23 18:30:55 ] X Molotov > sounds about right
[ 2015.07.23 18:31:26 ] Alex Grison > What kind of plan is it?
[ 2015.07.23 18:31:44 ] X Molotov > I would be joining
[ 2015.07.23 18:31:56 ] X Molotov > then you would let me grab a wallet division
[ 2015.07.23 18:32:02 ] X Molotov > the master if you would allow it
[ 2015.07.23 18:32:15 ] X Molotov > then I would set up this big investment portfolio for the corp
[ 2015.07.23 18:32:20 ] X Molotov > every 3 days
[ 2015.07.23 18:32:33 ] X Molotov > I would pay back investors and then members out of my wallet
[ 2015.07.23 18:32:36 ] X Molotov > or the corp wallet
[ 2015.07.23 18:33:21 ] X Molotov > It is very confusing
[ 2015.07.23 18:33:29 ] X Molotov > but it willl work I promise you
[ 2015.07.23 18:33:34 ] X Molotov > I explained it to Dom
[ 2015.07.23 18:33:39 ] X Molotov > and I made a spreadsheet
[ 2015.07.23 18:34:02 ] X Molotov > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P0c2eSazY020tv5KYCy6WF1fS8Rupxg4v7Q-M7JtL6k/edit#gid=0
[ 2015.07.23 18:34:05 ] X Molotov > shit
[ 2015.07.23 18:34:09 ] X Molotov > don't use that link
[ 2015.07.23 18:34:29 ] X Molotov > nvm
[ 2015.07.23 18:34:35 ] X Molotov > how does it look?
[ 2015.07.23 18:34:59 ] Alex Grison > What kind of investing do you do in eve?
[ 2015.07.23 18:35:02 ] X Molotov > market/gamble
[ 2015.07.23 18:35:26 ] Alex Grison > What kind of market investing?
[ 2015.07.23 18:35:38 ] X Molotov > import /export, and jita marking
[ 2015.07.23 18:36:08 ] Alex Grison > How much do you make?
[ 2015.07.23 18:36:11 ] X Molotov > I also gamble
[ 2015.07.23 18:37:11 ] X Molotov > How does it look?
[ 2015.07.23 18:37:14 ] Alex Grison > What kind of return do you see from your investments?
[ 2015.07.23 18:37:22 ] X Molotov > return>
[ 2015.07.23 18:37:23 ] X Molotov > ?
[ 2015.07.23 18:38:01 ] Alex Grison > Yes, return on the investments
[ 2015.07.23 18:38:14 ] X Molotov > you mean money back?
[ 2015.07.23 18:38:26 ] Alex Grison > yes
[ 2015.07.23 18:38:35 ] X Molotov > Well
[ 2015.07.23 18:38:43 ] X Molotov > I think 3m is a good number
[ 2015.07.23 18:38:51 ] X Molotov > but unless we have a lot more than 21 shares
[ 2015.07.23 18:38:58 ] X Molotov > we will be doing worse off
[ 2015.07.23 18:39:04 ] X Molotov > so I think 5m would be good
[ 2015.07.23 18:39:16 ] Alex Grison > 3,000,000 - 5,000,000 ? over what period of time?
[ 2015.07.23 18:39:20 ] X Molotov > so 20 shares = 100M for the corp
[ 2015.07.23 18:39:24 ] X Molotov > mate listen
[ 2015.07.23 18:39:32 ] X Molotov > people buy into my spreadsheet
[ 2015.07.23 18:39:40 ] X Molotov > I am holding some division of the wallet
[ 2015.07.23 18:39:54 ] X Molotov > I put that money there
[ 2015.07.23 18:40:03 ] X Molotov > then inject it into my marketing/ gambling
[ 2015.07.23 18:40:12 ] X Molotov > hopefully I can make profit by the end of the three days
[ 2015.07.23 18:40:28 ] X Molotov > and I give anything profit to the investor/member holders
[ 2015.07.23 18:40:36 ] X Molotov > I give 66% away to investors
[ 2015.07.23 18:40:52 ] X Molotov > and I split depending on how much each investor has
[ 2015.07.23 18:40:59 ] X Molotov > then I give 33% away to members
[ 2015.07.23 18:41:07 ] X Molotov > split among each
[ 2015.07.23 18:41:13 ] Alex Grison > I see.
[ 2015.07.23 18:41:27 ] X Molotov > so the newer players have a bit of cash
[ 2015.07.23 18:41:54 ] X Molotov > and if any older members want to help contribute to my cash making, i would happily accept donations from members
[ 2015.07.23 18:41:58 ] Alex Grison > brb
[ 2015.07.23 18:42:00 ] X Molotov > but that is not needed
[ 2015.07.23 18:55:54 ] X Molotov > alright
[ 2015.07.23 18:56:11 ] X Molotov > I just gave Dom a run through of what would happen
[ 2015.07.23 18:56:21 ] X Molotov > sadly he didn't truly understnad
[ 2015.07.23 18:56:23 ] X Molotov > stand
[ 2015.07.23 18:56:30 ] X Molotov > and kinda hung up rudely
[ 2015.07.23 18:56:33 ] X Molotov > but when you are ready
[ 2015.07.23 18:56:42 ] X Molotov > I can describe it to you :)
[ 2015.07.23 18:56:51 ] Alex Grison > Oh yeah, sorry im multitasking, one sec
[ 2015.07.23 18:57:20 ] X Molotov > perfectly alright :)
[ 2015.07.23 18:57:57 ] X Molotov > tell me when you are ready :)
[ 2015.07.23 18:59:47 ] Alex Grison > Anyways, I am sure this is a scam, I have been a buisness mogul in eve for years. These kinds of services are never taken seriously or used by anyone who knows what they are doing.Also having gambling be a part of an investment plan is pure insanity
[ 2015.07.23 19:00:02 ] Alex Grison > I make between 300 and 500 million a day, so even if this is legitimate I don't see any benefit for me
[ 2015.07.23 19:00:17 ] X Molotov > you just receive sole benefit
[ 2015.07.23 19:00:28 ] X Molotov > why does everyone think this is a scam?
[ 2015.07.23 19:01:00 ] X Molotov > can I explain it, questions at the end?
[ 2015.07.23 19:01:37 ] Alex Grison > Ok. I believe you 100% when you say it isn't a scam. But there is no benefit for us, ans tons of risk.
[ 2015.07.23 19:01:45 ] Alex Grison > Im not going to just give you access to a corp wallet with money in it lol
[ 2015.07.23 19:01:47 ] Alex Grison > thats also insanity
[ 2015.07.23 19:01:48 ] X Molotov > my lordy
[ 2015.07.23 19:01:59 ] X Molotov > I am not asking any money from any corp members
[ 2015.07.23 19:01:59 ] Alex Grison > I make 300-500 million per day.
[ 2015.07.23 19:02:05 ] X Molotov > that is not the idea of the plan
[ 2015.07.23 19:02:20 ] X Molotov > alright
[ 2015.07.23 19:02:23 ] X Molotov > lemme explain
[ 2015.07.23 19:02:25 ] X Molotov > so
[ 2015.07.23 19:02:36 ] X Molotov > let's say 5 people invest ayte?
[ 2015.07.23 19:02:47 ] X Molotov > each share goes for 5m
[ 2015.07.23 19:02:54 ] X Molotov > total
[ 2015.07.23 19:02:59 ] X Molotov > 20 shares
[ 2015.07.23 19:03:18 ] X Molotov > so we or I , depending how you look at it, get 100m
[ 2015.07.23 19:03:23 ] X Molotov > what I gotta do
[ 2015.07.23 19:03:37 ] X Molotov > Is do smart market/gamble
[ 2015.07.23 19:03:41 ] X Molotov > make some profit
[ 2015.07.23 19:03:44 ] X Molotov > hopefully double :)
[ 2015.07.23 19:03:54 ] X Molotov > so at the end of the three days
[ 2015.07.23 19:04:08 ] X Molotov > I have say 300m alright?
[ 2015.07.23 19:04:10 ] X Molotov > total for this
[ 2015.07.23 19:04:21 ] X Molotov > I want to keep that 100m original
[ 2015.07.23 19:04:30 ] X Molotov > I also want some extra to reinvest
[ 2015.07.23 19:04:39 ] X Molotov > so I will keep another 50m in the corp wallet
[ 2015.07.23 19:04:59 ] X Molotov > from there, i send 66% to all the investors, depending on the amount of shares each investor has
[ 2015.07.23 19:05:08 ] X Molotov > then, I send 33% to the corp members
[ 2015.07.23 19:05:14 ] Alex Grison > When I say I know what I'm doing I mean it lol. I see right through this. We are not interested in the service.
[ 2015.07.23 19:05:17 ] X Molotov > where each member gets an equal amount
[ 2015.07.23 19:05:31 ] X Molotov > mate, I am not asking anything of the corp itself
[ 2015.07.23 19:05:41 ] X Molotov > you realize that?
[ 2015.07.23 19:06:00 ] X Molotov > This is a hypothetical plan I thought up
[ 2015.07.23 19:06:05 ] X Molotov > and I want to see if it works out
[ 2015.07.23 19:06:10 ] X Molotov > This is not a scam
[ 2015.07.23 19:06:18 ] X Molotov > nor am I asking any of the members to invest in it
[ 2015.07.23 19:07:02 ] X Molotov > If you are really paranoid, I am sure I could try to operate it out of my wallet
[ 2015.07.23 19:07:08 ] X Molotov > but that would get unorganized
[ 2015.07.23 19:07:16 ] X Molotov > This is in no way a scam
[ 2015.07.23 19:07:59 ] Alex Grison > whether it's truly a scam or now is impossible to tell. But I can gaurantee that nobody else worth working with will go for this. Just out of risk / hassle involved. Doesn't come close to the potential reward
[ 2015.07.23 19:08:28 ] X Molotov > what is the risk for your corp?
[ 2015.07.23 19:08:43 ] X Molotov > potiential reward of what?
[ 2015.07.23 19:08:50 ] X Molotov > This is shares on a spreadsheet
[ 2015.07.23 19:08:55 ] X Molotov > not corp shares
[ 2015.07.23 19:08:58 ] X Molotov > you know that
[ 2015.07.23 19:09:39 ] Alex Grison > yes
[ 2015.07.23 19:09:48 ] X Molotov > I don't care if you don't want it
[ 2015.07.23 19:09:56 ] X Molotov > I am just asking why this is making you run away
[ 2015.07.23 19:10:18 ] X Molotov > There is nothing , but possible benifit of a lil ISK in your wallet
[ 2015.07.23 19:10:39 ] X Molotov > allowing newer members to easier -ly pay for stuff they need
[ 2015.07.23 19:10:44 ] X Molotov > it may not be a lot
[ 2015.07.23 19:11:04 ] X Molotov > But there is no risk at all , that i can see
[ 2015.07.23 19:11:29 ] Alex Grison > Who gives you the money then?
[ 2015.07.23 19:11:37 ] X Molotov > investors that I know
[ 2015.07.23 19:11:45 ] X Molotov > big players who like helping small corps?
[ 2015.07.23 19:11:52 ] Alex Grison > The reason I run away from this is because it seems like you have very very little experience trading / with buisness stuff
[ 2015.07.23 19:11:55 ] X Molotov > friends who know I am trustworthy and hate scammi
[ 2015.07.23 19:11:56 ] X Molotov > ?
[ 2015.07.23 19:11:58 ] Alex Grison > "return" was an unfamiliar term to you
[ 2015.07.23 19:12:07 ] Alex Grison > And the other ways you are proposing this.
[ 2015.07.23 19:12:34 ] X Molotov > I may not know business term
[ 2015.07.23 19:12:49 ] X Molotov > and I have only recently started marketing, within the past 2 weeks
[ 2015.07.23 19:12:59 ] X Molotov > but I am loyal, and not about to go scam anyone
[ 2015.07.23 19:14:29 ] X Molotov > What is the risk though?
[ 2015.07.23 19:14:56 ] X Molotov > I am asking not one penny from the corp. unless older and more established members want to contribute
[ 2015.07.23 19:15:26 ] Alex Grison > Yeah, it's mainly the risk and lack of experience, and that is what will drive other people away instantly. That and having gambling involved as a part of it.
[ 2015.07.23 19:15:39 ] X Molotov > lack of experience sure
[ 2015.07.23 19:15:54 ] X Molotov > gambling, I am not doing unless I hit a strain of luck
[ 2015.07.23 19:16:00 ] X Molotov > like I made 20m into 2.2b the other day
[ 2015.07.23 19:16:11 ] X Molotov > But what again is the risk>
[ 2015.07.23 19:16:27 ] X Molotov > that you are allowing a theorist join your corp w/ a big idea?
[ 2015.07.23 19:16:39 ] X Molotov > if it doesn't work well, hell
[ 2015.07.23 19:16:53 ] X Molotov > I pay the other investors out of my personal
[ 2015.07.23 19:17:02 ] X Molotov > then I probably get kicked
[ 2015.07.23 19:17:10 ] X Molotov > no risk for you
[ 2015.07.23 19:17:28 ] Alex Grison > The risk is simple1) You are asking for investors to give you money, You are skittering around this part by saying things like "older members can if they want" But by your own words it's an investment plan
[ 2015.07.23 19:17:45 ] Alex Grison > 2) The wallet access, you have access to money in the wallet, put there intentionally or not
[ 2015.07.23 19:17:48 ] X Molotov > I deal w/ the investors
[ 2015.07.23 19:17:51 ] Alex Grison > 3) You keep saying all of the wrong things
[ 2015.07.23 19:18:08 ] X Molotov > I expect no cash coming from members
[ 2015.07.23 19:18:10 ] Alex Grison > So you are working with other investors, doing buisness with them, and then randomly giving us some of your profits?
[ 2015.07.23 19:18:19 ] Alex Grison > Can you see how that makes zero sense?
[ 2015.07.23 19:18:23 ] X Molotov > and wallet access only keeps my and the plan's money separated
[ 2015.07.23 19:18:36 ] X Molotov > no
[ 2015.07.23 19:18:58 ] X Molotov > every three days, after I made some profit, I send out the dividends to everyone
[ 2015.07.23 19:19:05 ] Alex Grison > If you aren't asking for a penny from us, then what I said is true,
[ 2015.07.23 19:19:06 ] X Molotov > investors and members alike
[ 2015.07.23 19:19:31 ] X Molotov > what you said? you mean this? [19:18:10] Alex Grison > So you are working with other investors, doing buisness with them, and then randomly giving us some of your profits?
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:02 ] Alex Grison > If you never collect a penny from a member of Grison Industrial Group (which you are ok with) Then by your own words yuo would be working with other investors, and sharing money involved in that with us
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:04 ] Alex Grison > that makes no sense
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:20 ] X Molotov > I suppose so
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:29 ] Alex Grison > That is why I beleive it is a scam
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:32 ] X Molotov > It is a way to give back to the corp
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:37 ] X Molotov > keep it up and running
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:40 ] Alex Grison > That isn't buisness
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:41 ] X Molotov > was trying to be kind
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:48 ] X Molotov > I could solely work w/ investors
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:52 ] X Molotov > I guess
[ 2015.07.23 19:20:54 ] Alex Grison > You are free to send me money to help keep the corp running
[ 2015.07.23 19:21:03 ] X Molotov > if the idea of giving some to the corp is such a scammy idea
[ 2015.07.23 19:21:07 ] Alex Grison > I will be sharing this with my market friends, we will get a good laugh out of this
[ 2015.07.23 19:21:09 ] Alex Grison > 0/
[ 2015.07.23 19:21:11 ] X Molotov > That is what I would be doing!
[ 2015.07.23 19:21:14 ] X Molotov > ..
[ 2015.07.23 19:21:35 ] X Molotov > o7 I guess :/