Vaerir 4:58 PM
ay jojo whats our carry price for mythic en
joJO 4:58 PM
yo
last week was 800k
but
someone said we can prob do 1mil
what do you thin
think
Vaerir 4:59 PM
someone just whispered me saying that pally from last week wants him to buy from us for 800k
may as well say yes
joJO 4:59 PM
yea
thats fine
Vaerir 5:00 PM
what carries do we have next week
do you know?
joJO 5:01 PM
uhmm
i dont know if we have them lined up yet
i know that pally prob wants to come every week
y u have someone?
Vaerir 5:02 PM
yeah
joJO 5:02 PM
or are other ppl asking
Vaerir 5:02 PM
leather buyer probably
for the shit we dont need package
joJO 5:03 PM
ok
leme ask jonny
so
the pally has another buyer
he said u talked to him
btw
were doing the carry runs on monday
Vaerir 5:08 PM
seems like a stupid day to do them on
joJO 5:08 PM
ya we want to do them on an off day
Vaerir 5:09 PM
thats a really dumb idea considering we still need gear from en on farm for an edge on helya progression with our dogshit comp
and putting it literally at the end of the week makes that pointless
joJO 5:10 PM
hm
can u come in discord in a couple mins
talking to this pally rq
Vaerir 5:11 PM
about what
joJO 5:11 PM
its ok actually
so
i thought you were with us when we were talking about this last week
we were talking about EN and sales
and everyone thought we should do them on off days or monday
but we didnt know if we could do them on off days
you think we should stick to tuesdays with it?
Vaerir 5:12 PM
i would have immediately called the idea idiotic
because we still have half a roster that needs trinkets from there
why the fuck would we not do it as soon as humanly possible
seems like general common sense
joJO 5:13 PM
yea we just start our progression so late in the week
Vaerir 5:13 PM
this is why i get mad at literal common sense anyone who has pve'd for 5 mins knowledge that you guys seem to completely miss for god knows what reason
joJO 5:14 PM
like monday -EN / H tov / odyn
Vaerir 5:14 PM
what
odyn on monday how does that work
joJO 5:14 PM
erm i meant tuesday
Vaerir 5:14 PM
yes
we do that because we want gear
joJO 5:14 PM
im saying, we start our progression so late in the week
Vaerir 5:14 PM
to make progress easier
joJO 5:14 PM
yea obviously
my point is
every week is going to be like last
where we never get to helya
Vaerir 5:15 PM
then we shouldnt suck every dick under the sun trying to re-kill bosses we've killed
you realize we wasted 4 hours on guarm
joJO 5:15 PM
ya i know lol
dont know why it took so long
Vaerir 5:15 PM
because people suck
joJO 5:15 PM
should have had the exact same people from the prior week
Vaerir 5:15 PM
and leadership is completely ignorant
we killed it instantly after i sat muscledad
joJO 5:16 PM
yea he was constantly fucking up
Vaerir 5:17 PM
so we should probably not try to completely ignore farm
because gear is literally the only thing that will help us kill that boss
joJO 5:18 PM
yep
maybe we should just extend
idk
Vaerir 5:19 PM
are you fucking insane
joJO 5:19 PM
tony said other guilds are extending to skip guarm and odyn...
Vaerir 5:19 PM
i actually have no words
joJO 5:19 PM
?
Vaerir 5:20 PM
do you people not realize that we actually cant kill helya with our current raid composition
take a good look at what we actually have for a raid comp, note the 48 melee we have
and that no guild has killed this with more than 6
joJO 5:21 PM
yea i understand that
but
i just dont understand avoiding it
entirely
people should at least see the beginning
maybe im wrong
Vaerir 5:22 PM
because bashing our faces against a brick wall for 4 hours a day on something unkillable is going to make everyone hate eachother
joJO 5:23 PM
i dont think it will be like that
i just want people to at least see the beginning
like an hour
i dont even care
Vaerir 5:23 PM
intelligently speaking we should do it for a couple hours, learn the movement/mechanics in p1, realize we cant make it properly to p2 without a nerf/optimal comp/more gear
joJO 5:23 PM
i know we need hunters
Vaerir 5:23 PM
and not bother with the rest of it until we have one of those 3 things
joJO 5:23 PM
yes thats what i mean
so if that's our intention why not just keep sales for monday so we can actually make it to helya
because we're really struggling to make it at our pace
Vaerir 5:24 PM
did i not just mention the gear part
joJO 5:24 PM
you did
Vaerir 5:24 PM
why face slam the boss we want gear to help kill without getting the gear
when we can get the gear first
?
joJO 5:25 PM
which boss are you talking about
helya?
guarm?
Vaerir 5:25 PM
yes.
helya
guarm is a joke if we dont have a raid full of autists
joJO 5:25 PM
if our intention is to not even kill the boss why worry
we're going to get the gear in the lockout
Vaerir 5:25 PM
because we need to at some point eventually kill her
joJO 5:25 PM
yea obviously
but i dont think it's as critical as you're making it seem
Vaerir 5:26 PM
and having more ilvl on players lets us progress further into p1
joJO 5:26 PM
yes, we need gear
do we need the gear tuesday? im not sure
Vaerir 5:26 PM
then why optimize it in an ass backwards way
literally no guild ever does farm at the end of a week
joJO 5:26 PM
yea i know
Vaerir 5:26 PM
you're just deoptimizing something for the sake of nothing
joJO 5:26 PM
i mean we will see what everyone thinks
Vaerir 5:26 PM
something i see as completely idiotic
joJO 5:26 PM
i really dont care
Vaerir 5:27 PM
i actually wonder sometimes if we're legit pushing to be a good guild
or if we're just a casual guild that has a decent rank by complete coincidence
joJO 5:27 PM
it's a mix of both
Vaerir 5:28 PM
then i wonder what happens when the luck ends
because leadership definetly has no clue how to optimize anything correctly from our track record
joJO 5:28 PM
idk
who knows if its luck
Vaerir 5:29 PM
its luck and we refuse to learn/capitolize on it to get better
disgusting imo
joJO 5:29 PM
i'd prob say its not luck
i'd say it's a mix of leadership -you guys knowing bosses and mechanics before we go in
Vaerir 5:30 PM
do you realize how many of our players have good legendary items they just completely lucked into compared to most guilds in the us
joJO 5:30 PM
in addition to being geared
yea obviously
Vaerir 5:30 PM
and we cheat by having 1/5th of the raid team already knowing every fight
joJO 5:31 PM
its weird. we started with alex tweeting about starting a guild with his friends, mostly pvpers
thats why we're mostly pvp players
but slowly it's progressed into a non-casual guild
non-casual meaning that we're actyually trying to progress
which i thin kwe should since our rng luck and 1/5 roster knowing the fights
so i think that part is a bit convoluted
i really dont know what people think
i dont even think we know
Vaerir 5:32 PM
meh.
to me its just an ass backwards guild that ranks well because of luck
joJO 5:32 PM
luck helps
Vaerir 5:33 PM
nothing we do as leadership makes any sense for any remotely competitve guild
joJO 5:33 PM
but its not the full picture
sure ya
Vaerir 5:33 PM
this spriest is complete fucking trash and dies to s2m constantly? lets promote him to raider and bring him to shitlord on every kill
WOO
joJO 5:33 PM
lmao
we should get him to go back to his feral
Vaerir 5:33 PM
or
or
kick him and find one of the 400 good spriests out there looking for a guild
:logic:
joJO 5:34 PM
yea
but
that gets back to what we're trying to be
suchira
we raid monday tues wed
why?
idk
3/7 days
2 of the 7 days are competitive
Vaerir 5:34 PM
what
joJO 5:35 PM
2 of the 7 days are in the beginning of the week
Vaerir 5:35 PM
what do you mean by competitive
joJO 5:35 PM
is what i meant
Vaerir 5:35 PM
that actually means nothing
joJO 5:35 PM
if we were trying to be competitive, we would at least have tues wed thur
what do you mean
Vaerir 5:36 PM
do you assume monday is a non-competitive raid day because its at the end of a week?
joJO 5:36 PM
im saying we will prob be ranked higher if we raid tues wed thurs
Vaerir 5:37 PM
thats true
joJO 5:37 PM
because we will literally kill bosses earlier in the weekj
and yea i understand dropping people because they suck
we dont do that enough
Vaerir 5:37 PM
we'd also be ranked higher if we corrected the 12 other things we do that make no other sense
joJO 5:37 PM
hence why im still on the roster
yea i know
Vaerir 5:37 PM
like clearing complete garbage out of our roster
joJO 5:37 PM
i mean who knows
i definitely want to talk about this with tony and alex
i think we need to all be on the same page
with what our intentions and goals for the guild are
Vaerir 5:38 PM
i already know the answer
joJO 5:38 PM
what is it
Vaerir 5:38 PM
it comes to a point where my opinion is the only one that differs
so i'll likely find a new place to raid after helya dies
joJO 5:39 PM
i mean obviously you are welcome to do that
im talking about goals and intentions for the success of the guild
like
Vaerir 5:39 PM
i mean if 19 people are happy in carebear bullshitland then why change it for the sake of 1
keep doing what you do
joJO 5:40 PM
maybe
if you're happier with a more hardcore guild than do that
its really w.e you want to do
is it that we dont raid enough?
or we fuck up a lot?
or that people dont seem to care enough
i'd prob agree on all of those
+ more
Vaerir 5:41 PM
you as a group of leadership refuse to take any initiative towards becoming a better guild
joJO 5:41 PM
yea i'd agree with that
Vaerir 5:41 PM
i could give less of a fuck about the players than aren't leadership they don't have the ability to change how we do things
that*
joJO 5:42 PM
this is exactly what im saying though. is this what we're trying to accomplish?
i genuinely dont know
really i dont
Vaerir 5:42 PM
it obviously isnt
and thats fine with you guys
joJO 5:43 PM
idk i mean tony has said it before where that mentality is that of a top 10 guild
is that what we're trying to be?
im not sold on that but
as i said before, i think we need to be clear with what we're trying to actually do
Vaerir 5:43 PM
nomatter who you are
what you do
where in life you are
you should always aim to be the best at what you do
i don't agree with people who languish in mediocrity when they can do better
even if theyr'e #2 and better is #1
joJO 5:45 PM
yea id agree that everyone could do better
and if we want people to be better / want better people, than yes, we should 100% cut / sit people that suck
anyways
i have to go write a paper
Vaerir 5:47 PM
enjoy
gonna go get food
joJO 5:47 PM
we should talk about this with other people
i think more than anything we just need clarification
we need to do things deliberatly
not meander along and be passive about anything