Chat Log for Penembakan Hasrat Membunuh

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(14:06:43) +Harsha: Lol.
(14:06:47) +Harsha: Nice welcome message.
(14:07:04) Kira Light: Nice channel name.
(14:07:23) +Harsha: Well, we already know we need a Volt-Turn core. However, would anyone like to try another Rotom form, or is Rotom-W already on?
(14:09:13) Kira Light: Oh, sorry, I went to fetch a snack.
(14:09:33) Kira Light: Are you still there, Mister Trinitrotoluene?
(14:09:49) +Harsha: He may be working.
(14:10:02) +Trinitrotoluene: I was running errands and executing integrations of derivated problems.
(14:10:12) +Harsha: Lol. Stuff that's above me.
(14:10:15) +Trinitrotoluene: tl;dr: I was doing Calculus.
(14:10:18) +Harsha: XD
(14:10:31) +Trinitrotoluene: I'm back.
(14:10:32) Kira Light: Sounds fun.
(14:10:46) Kira Light is idling.
(14:11:16) +Trinitrotoluene: So, who should we use as our Volt-Turning core?
(14:11:23) Kira Light: Scizor?
(14:11:40) +Trinitrotoluene: Actually, we should determine counters to the common Volt-Turning core.
(14:11:48) Kira Light: Bulk-Up Breloom.
(14:11:59) +Trinitrotoluene: If we determine counters, then we can shape our team to account for them.
(14:11:59) +Harsha: Gastrodon is a good counter, but Scizor takes it down with high powered moves.
(14:12:02) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:12:10) +Harsha: Well, I was thinking...
(14:12:11) Kira Light: Bulky D-Nite is a good counter.
(14:12:20) +Trinitrotoluene: True.
(14:12:25) +Trinitrotoluene: Trick ruins him though.
(14:12:31) Kira Light: SubDD?
(14:12:36) Kira Light: + Roost
(14:12:39) +Harsha: No one is prepared for a Rotom-(lawn-mower form), right? Is it viable?
(14:12:49) +Trinitrotoluene: Perhaps.
(14:12:55) Kira Light: Sounds nice.
(14:13:07) +Harsha: It beats Gastrodon, and it resists Seed Bomb from Breloom.
(14:13:18) +Trinitrotoluene: However, if we use it, then that means Celebi is out of the image.
(14:13:30) Kira Light: Yeah.
(14:13:30) +Harsha: Oh, that's true. And then we have no status absorber.
(14:13:39) +Trinitrotoluene: I'd prefer if we use Celebi.
(14:13:43) Kira Light: A spinner would help as well.
(14:13:44) +Harsha: Fair enough.
(14:13:58) Kira Light: Switching in and out will mean we get hit by hazards.
(14:13:58) +Harsha: And we should take a spinner into account. Spikes is bad for Volt-Turn.
(14:14:27) Kira Light: Starmie can come on ice moves directed towards Rotom-C...
(14:14:34) Kira Light: *come in
(14:14:47) Kira Light: As well as Ice moves directed towards Celebi.
(14:15:07) +Trinitrotoluene: True.
(14:15:15) Kira Light: And D-Nite (If used).
(14:15:21) +Trinitrotoluene: However, Tyranitar would have an easier time against the team.
(14:15:39) +Harsha: Hmm. How about Hitmontop?
(14:15:48) +Harsha: It has Intimidate, which is cool.
(14:15:50) Kira Light: Doesn't Scizor check Tyranitar?
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(14:15:59) +Harsha: Fire Blast Tyranitar beats it.
(14:16:01) +Trinitrotoluene: Katie, please get out.
(14:16:03) +Harsha: Katie, please leave.
(14:16:14) Katie The Darkrai: ._.
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(14:16:17) Kira Light: Sorry.
(14:16:37) +Trinitrotoluene: That was awkward.
(14:16:44) Kira Light: Yeah.
(14:16:55) +Trinitrotoluene: Bullet Punch helps.
(14:17:01) +Harsha: Lol.
(14:17:06) +Trinitrotoluene: So yeah, I think we can keep Starmie.
(14:17:14) +Harsha: Alrighty.
(14:17:31) +Harsha: Starmie, Celebi, and Rotom-W are in the picture.
(14:17:38) +Harsha: Let's talk synergy?
(14:17:38) Kira Light: Rotom-C?
(14:17:52) +Trinitrotoluene: We've mentioned Scizor repeatedly, so I think we should integrate it into the picture.
(14:17:56) +Harsha: I think that we wanted Celebi over Rotom-C.
(14:17:57) +Harsha: And ok.
(14:18:02) Kira Light: Oh, alright.
(14:18:08) +Harsha: Scizor + Rotom-W + Celebi + Starmie
(14:18:14) Kira Light: Scizor provides momentum and priority, which is nice.
(14:18:23) +Harsha: We could make this a Rain team?
(14:18:29) Kira Light: A bulkier set would help its survivability.
(14:18:39) Kira Light: Since a lot of weight is put on it.
(14:18:52) +Harsha: Scizor loses 4x Fire weakness, Rotom-W and Starmie get Thunder and Water boosts, and Celebi also loses a Fire weakness.
(14:19:19) Kira Light: That's a good point.
(14:19:36) +Trinitrotoluene: Maybe.
(14:20:01) +Trinitrotoluene: If we use the Rain, then Tornadus presents itself as yet another option.
(14:20:02) Kira Light: But Sun teams would be a BIG problem.
(14:20:08) +Trinitrotoluene: Indeed.
(14:20:21) +Trinitrotoluene: Stall would also be a slight problem.
(14:20:24) +Harsha: That's true.
(14:20:26) Kira Light: Volcarona can sweep this team easily, under Sun.
(14:20:43) +Harsha: Terrakion? We could try him out to ease all of that?
(14:20:48) Kira Light: Maybe Heatran could be used.
(14:20:58) Kira Light: Cele-Tran.
(14:21:14) Kira Light: And it can provide Stealth Rocks.
(14:21:18) +Trinitrotoluene: I'd shy away from Heatran.
(14:21:38) +Harsha: Does Celebi get SR?
(14:21:41) +Trinitrotoluene: Yes.
(14:21:49) +Harsha: We could attempt to use that, then.
(14:22:02) Kira Light: Yep.
(14:22:28) Kira Light: So...Scizor + Rotom-W + Celebi + Starmie + _____, ________
(14:22:28) +Trinitrotoluene: Should we use Hidden Power Fire on Celebi to lure in Scizor?
(14:22:39) Kira Light: That would be nice.
(14:22:54) Kira Light: In that case, the idea of using Rain is out of the picture.
(14:23:00) +Harsha: That's fair. Scizor could be problematic otherwise.
(14:23:02) +Harsha: And yea.
(14:23:10) +Trinitrotoluene: If we do so, then that would mean a slight change in EV spreads. I'll take care of those when we get there.
(14:23:17) Kira Light: Alrighty.
(14:23:32) Kira Light: I think using a bulky Rotom-W would help.
(14:23:51) +Trinitrotoluene: Let's focus on the team members first.
(14:24:37) Kira Light: If Scizor is that big of a problem, perhaps we could use Magnezone.
(14:24:39) +Harsha: Wait, I have a quick question: Does the [jump=example] tag work on the forums?
(14:24:43) +Harsha: Hmm.
(14:24:57) +Harsha: Magnezone seems to be a waste when we have HP Fire Celebi, though.
(14:25:27) +Trinitrotoluene: I think it might. I haven't checked too much.
(14:25:49) +Harsha: Alright, I'll test.
(14:26:00) +Trinitrotoluene: Magnezone is too flashy.
(14:26:01) Kira Light: Celebi and Starmie are both Pursuit-weak.
(14:26:18) Kira Light: Maybe Terrakion could help?
(14:26:45) +Harsha: I think Terrakion is worth it.
(14:26:52) +Trinitrotoluene: Well, who are the most common Pursuiters?
(14:26:57) Kira Light: Tyranitar.
(14:26:58) +Harsha: Tyranitar.
(14:26:59) +Harsha: Scizor.
(14:27:13) +Harsha: Krookodile, who is UU.
(14:27:19) Kira Light: Metagross....
(14:27:24) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:27:35) Kira Light: Should we save this chat log?
(14:27:43) +Harsha: Yea, I think so.
(14:28:53) +Trinitrotoluene: I'll save it in a Notepad file when we're done.
(14:29:01) +Trinitrotoluene: We all should save it.
(14:29:08) +Harsha: Alright. Will do.
(14:29:14) Kira Light: ALRIGHT, so Scizor / Rotom-W / Celebi / Starmie / (Terrakion perhaps) / ______
(14:29:19) Kira Light: I'll save it as well.
(14:29:23) +Trinitrotoluene: That way, if anyone somehow gets disconnected, they can be brought up to speed.
(14:29:30) +Harsha: Yeah, that's fair.
(14:29:39) Kira Light: Yep.
(14:30:08) +Trinitrotoluene: So, what beats the Pursuiters in question?
(14:30:16) +Harsha: Terrakion with a SubSD set does.
(14:30:25) +Harsha: However, I'm not sure if we want to use that.
(14:30:35) Kira Light: It'll force a switch, letting it use Substitute.
(14:30:35) +Trinitrotoluene: That seems interesting.
(14:30:40) +Harsha: Bar Scizor, Terrakion beats them all.
(14:30:42) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:30:54) +Trinitrotoluene: SubSD Terrakion can beat Scizor.
(14:30:54) +Harsha: With SubSD, Terrakion beats all including Scizor.
(14:30:56) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:31:04) +Trinitrotoluene: It also can deal with Gliscor.
(14:31:06) Kira Light: +2 with Rock Gem, Stone Edge does more than 95% to Gliscor.
(14:31:10) +Harsha: That's true.
(14:31:21) Kira Light: And we're behind a sub, which means we can use SD.
(14:31:25) +Harsha: I OHKOd a Skarmory with +2 Lucario today, actually.
(14:31:38) +Harsha: Hmm. Lucario?
(14:31:49) +Trinitrotoluene: The Sub guards against priority.
(14:31:50) +Harsha: He's really frail, but he offers priority.
(14:31:53) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:32:09) Kira Light: We already have Scizor for the priority, though.
(14:32:19) Kira Light: But it is worth a try.
(14:32:47) +Harsha: I think Terrakion is the primary option at this point, but Lucario has its merits.
(14:33:05) Kira Light: It's a shame that Ice Punch and Justified are incompatible.
(14:33:11) +Harsha: So, that leaves us with this: Terrakion + Scizor + Starmie + Rotom-W + Celebi
(14:33:18) +Harsha: We have a Scizor weakness.
(14:33:32) Kira Light: Dragonite?
(14:33:37) +Harsha: Hmm.
(14:33:47) Kira Light: We have a spinner, already, so SR is not a problem.
(14:34:04) Kira Light: * We have a spinner already, so SR is not a problem.
(14:35:25) +Trinitrotoluene: We can take care of Scizor internally.
(14:35:36) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:35:54) +Trinitrotoluene: Scarfed variants lose to Rotom-W.
(14:36:01) Kira Light: Is Bulk-Up Breloom still a threat?
(14:36:11) +Trinitrotoluene: Celebi says otherwise.
(14:36:23) Kira Light: Right.
(14:36:28) +Trinitrotoluene: We have three Pokemon weak to Grass.
(14:36:34) Kira Light: Dragonite.
(14:37:11) Kira Light: We already have 3 Special Attackers, and only 2 Physical Attackers.
(14:37:12) +Trinitrotoluene: Harsha? Your opinion?
(14:37:20) +Harsha: Hmm.
(14:37:26) +Harsha: Well, I love Dragonite.
(14:37:32) Kira Light: SubDD beats Ferrothorn.
(14:37:34) +Harsha: Would we like to try it?
(14:37:36) +Harsha: That's true.
(14:37:50) Kira Light: And we can keep abusing Multiscale with Roost.
(14:37:55) +Harsha: I'm actually new to SubDD anyways. Would you like to try it?
(14:38:03) +Harsha: And I'm not sure if I'm ready to use Roost.
(14:38:03) Kira Light: I've never tried it.
(14:38:17) +Harsha: Then he gets only one form of coverage.
(14:38:45) +Trinitrotoluene: I'd reconsider SubDD.
(14:38:47) +Harsha: I think we should go with either Dragon Claw + Fire Punch or Dragon Claw + Earthquake if we use him. Probably Earthquake to deal with Heatran.
(14:38:52) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:39:05) Kira Light: Heatran loses to Terrakion, though.
(14:39:12) Kira Light: SubDD should be for late-game.
(14:39:22) +Harsha: The guide is going along well: http://the-treehouse.forumotion.com/t195-guide-to-volt-turn-offense-major-wip#1740
(14:39:24) +Harsha: Oh, that's true.
(14:40:01) +Harsha: Still... I'm having problems with one form of coverage. Late game implies we are leading, whereas if we find ourselves down, Roost could bite us in the butt.
(14:40:38) +Trinitrotoluene: I'd prefer that we don't use the SubDD set.
(14:41:01) Kira Light: DD + Roost?
(14:41:10) Kira Light: With Dragon Claw and EQ.
(14:41:13) +Trinitrotoluene: That seems nice.
(14:41:14) +Harsha: Alright.
(14:41:16) +Harsha: That sounds fair.
(14:41:35) +Harsha: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3461087
(14:41:39) +Trinitrotoluene: However, we should determine the coverage move later, when we're done constructing the rest of the team.
(14:41:46) Kira Light: So...Terrakion + Scizor + Starmie + Rotom-W + Celebi + Dragonite
(14:41:46) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:41:56) +Harsha: Let's look at synergy?
(14:42:13) +Harsha: Also, that guy copied my set formatting. :-|
(14:42:18) +Trinitrotoluene: I faced that guy's team before.
(14:42:23) Kira Light: I did too.
(14:42:43) +Trinitrotoluene: Harsha, you should be glad people are copying you.
(14:42:49) +Harsha: Lol.
(14:42:56) +Harsha: Actually, it's kinda cool.
(14:43:04) Kira Light: That's pretty swish.
(14:43:05) +Trinitrotoluene: THe emulation shows that you've inspired them.
(14:43:13) +Harsha: I hope so. :D
(14:43:26) Kira Light: Well, I copy Rick's formatting, so...
(14:43:39) +Trinitrotoluene: YES. SHOW ME YOUR MOVES.
(14:43:41) +Harsha: Lol. Fair enough. Rick's RMTs are time consuming, though.
(14:43:46) +Harsha: XD
(14:43:57) Kira Light: Dragonite lets us deal with Volcarona more easily now.
(14:44:02) +Trinitrotoluene: True.
(14:44:07) Kira Light: So, moves...?
(14:44:13) Kira Light: SubDD Terrakion?
(14:44:14) +Trinitrotoluene: Let's focus on the core first.
(14:44:25) +Harsha: Alright. Volt-Turn core, I'm assuming?
(14:44:29) +Trinitrotoluene: Terrakion doesn't learn Dragon Dance.
(14:44:31) +Trinitrotoluene: Yes.
(14:44:36) +Harsha: Lol.
(14:44:38) Kira Light: Oops.
(14:44:43) Kira Light: I meant SubSD, sorry.
(14:44:55) +Trinitrotoluene: Also, three people have nominated Apocalypse for the RMT Archive.
(14:45:02) +Harsha: I saw that.
(14:45:14) +Harsha: "No bandwagoning"
(14:45:15) Kira Light: I've never taken a look at that RMT.
(14:45:32) Kira Light: I should add it to my "To-Do list".
(14:45:33) +Harsha: It's fairly good. It used Hyper Offense with Deoxys-S.
(14:45:39) +Harsha: Anyhow-
(14:45:52) +Harsha: I think we should use a Specially Defensive variant of Scizor. It'll be easier to deal with Lati@s.
(14:46:23) +Trinitrotoluene: Yep.
(14:46:33) +Harsha: The set is a given.
(14:46:34) Kira Light: I agree.
(14:46:43) +Harsha: Alright, he's settled.
(14:46:43) +Trinitrotoluene: Do we want to go with my EVs or an even more defensive spread?
(14:46:50) +Harsha: Yours are fine.
(14:46:54) +Trinitrotoluene: Alright.
(14:47:20) +Harsha: As for Rotom-W, do we want WoW?
(14:47:30) +Trinitrotoluene: 248 HP / 56 Atk / 204 SDef for Scizor it is?
(14:47:53) +Harsha: Yeah, that's the spread.
(14:48:09) +Harsha: Gonogo, is that fine with you?
(14:48:18) +Trinitrotoluene: For Rotom-W, I'd like to try out a set similar to this: http://www.faladran.com/2012/01/set-chestorest-rotom-w.html
(14:48:23) Kira Light: I'm fine with it.
(14:48:29) Kira Light: Yes! Chesto-Rest.
(14:48:51) +Harsha: Hmm. That's uncommon and original.
(14:49:01) +Harsha: I'm fine with it.
(14:49:01) Kira Light: Do we want the official spread, or the bulkier spread mentioned towards the end of the description?
(14:49:08) +Trinitrotoluene: We'll make our own.
(14:49:14) Kira Light: Sounds good.
(14:49:36) Kira Light: Rest is more reliable than Pain Split.
(14:49:44) +Trinitrotoluene: We'll leave the EVs for later.
(14:49:53) +Trinitrotoluene: Let's move along to Celebi.
(14:50:13) Kira Light: Hidden Power [Fire] is a given.
(14:50:18) +Harsha: Celebi needs SR, so I think an altered version of TinkerBell could do well?
(14:51:15) Kira Light: We could scratch off Thunder Wave and add Stealth Rock?
(14:51:42) +Harsha: That's fair, since we may be Will-o-Wisping the opponent.
(14:51:48) +Harsha: What say you, Rick?
(14:52:29) +Trinitrotoluene: Yep.
(14:52:42) +Harsha: Alrighty; that's settled.
(14:53:07) +Trinitrotoluene: Again, we'll look at the EVs and see if we can make any changes that will be better for our team.
(14:53:19) +Harsha: That sounds good.
(14:53:26) +Harsha: And we need Rapid Spin on Starmie. Rapid Spin, Thunderbolt, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam?
(14:53:52) Kira Light: Recover would be an option?
(14:53:56) +Trinitrotoluene: Also, what is your opinion on the use of Giga Drain or Energy Ball over Leaf Storm on Celebi? That would seem nice for Starmie.
(14:54:13) Kira Light: Are we using Recover on Celebi?
(14:54:15) +Harsha: Giga Drain > Energy Ball
(14:54:24) +Trinitrotoluene: Yes.
(14:54:36) +Trinitrotoluene: Recover was a given, unless we want to sac that for Psychic.
(14:54:37) +Harsha: And we don't want to give Scizor a free switch in after a Leaf Storm.
(14:54:55) +Harsha: Giga Drain only has 5 less BP, no?
(14:55:09) +Harsha: And the ability to heal is always cool.
(14:55:15) +Trinitrotoluene: Grass Knot is also an option, but it won't do much to Rotom-W.
(14:55:20) Kira Light: Indeed.
(14:55:51) +Harsha: Yea. I don't want Rotom-W rampaging through us.
(14:55:55) +Trinitrotoluene: True.
(14:56:16) +Trinitrotoluene: So, Giga Drain, Psychic, Hidden Power Fire, and Stealth Rock?
(14:56:24) Kira Light: Sounds good.
(14:56:54) Kira Light: Well, Celebi is important so maybe we could think of using Recover?
(14:56:54) +Trinitrotoluene: Harsha, would you mind if I edited Celebi into your guide?
(14:57:01) +Trinitrotoluene: Recover is an option.
(14:57:06) +Harsha: Yeah, that's fine with me.
(14:57:21) Kira Light: You can edit others' thread?
(14:57:24) +Harsha: I'm editing the guide as we speak, anyhow.
(14:57:25) +Harsha: Yeah.
(14:57:28) Kira Light: I didn't know that.
(14:57:32) +Trinitrotoluene: We'll need some way of beating ConkelHURR with the team we're making.
(14:57:41) +Harsha: Oh, that's right.
(14:57:52) +Trinitrotoluene: The only reason we can edit each other's threads is because we're admins.
(14:57:58) Kira Light: Ah. I see.
(14:58:14) Kira Light: Makes sense.
(14:58:14) +Harsha: I mean, it tells you who edited the thread last.
(14:58:42) +Harsha: Tell me when you are done. I don't want to mess anything up.
(15:00:49) +Harsha: OH
(15:00:55) +Harsha: I'll add Darmanitan to the list.
(15:01:00) +Harsha: And Mienshao as well.
(15:01:17) +Harsha: I'll do that when you're done adding Celebi.
(15:01:31) Kira Light: I'd like to contribute in the analysis as well.
(15:01:33) Kira Light: :D
(15:01:53) +Harsha: Lol. There's not enough. In fact, the part I gave Rick is small.
(15:01:59) +Harsha: I wanted to be able to write most of it.
(15:02:00) Kira Light: Oh, alright.
(15:02:07) +Harsha: But Volt-Turn is pretty specific.
(15:02:13) Kira Light: True.
(15:02:50) +Harsha: rickrickrick
(15:03:08) +Harsha: Lol.
(15:03:34) +Trinitrotoluene: Any other threats to Volt-Turn?
(15:03:55) +Harsha: There's Gastrodon, but Scizor and Tornadus shut him up.
(15:04:09) +Harsha: Oh.
(15:04:10) +Trinitrotoluene: I'm making a list of threats for Volt-Turn to ease your write-up.
(15:04:11) +Harsha: For this team.
(15:04:12) +Harsha: XD
(15:04:14) +Harsha: Oh!
(15:04:16) +Harsha: Thanks.
(15:04:17) Kira Light: Gastrodon.
(15:04:20) Kira Light: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3456844
(15:04:21) +Trinitrotoluene: Have that.
(15:04:35) Kira Light: Flamethrower Blissey?
(15:04:38) +Harsha: I saw that.
(15:04:46) +Harsha: And Flamethrower Blissey is rare.
(15:04:58) +Harsha: Hazards are definitely a threat, though.
(15:05:35) +Harsha: I'm adding Darmanitan and Mienshao.
(15:05:42) +Trinitrotoluene: Would Infernape be another U-turner to add into the analysis?
(15:05:59) Kira Light: Surely.
(15:06:07) +Trinitrotoluene: Harsha?
(15:06:15) +Harsha: Oh, that's true.
(15:06:22) +Harsha: Thanks!
(15:06:57) Kira Light: Accelgor??
(15:07:02) +Harsha: Lol no.
(15:07:12) +Harsha: Accelgor is cool for Spikes, though.
(15:07:17) Kira Light: Crobat??
(15:08:33) Kira Light: Ambipom?
(15:08:39) +Harsha: Lol. I'm gonna stick to OU.
(15:08:44) Kira Light: Genesect?
(15:08:45) +Harsha: And Darmanitan.
(15:08:53) +Harsha: Genesect is DW.
(15:08:57) Kira Light: Aww.
(15:09:12) Kira Light: Victini?
(15:10:08) +Harsha: Nah.
(15:10:10) +Harsha: He's uncommon.
(15:10:16) +Trinitrotoluene: Finished my edits.
(15:10:27) +Trinitrotoluene: I can write those up soon.
(15:11:02) +Harsha: Alright.
(15:11:04) +Harsha: Thanks!
(15:11:12) Kira Light: We haven't finished the team yet...
(15:11:17) +Harsha: Wait, let me save save my changes.
(15:11:19) +Harsha: Lol.
(15:14:16) +Harsha: Rick, do I have to reserve Volt-Turn to write an article?
(15:14:23) +Harsha: Because no one is going to write one.
(15:14:58) +Trinitrotoluene: You'll need the green light from macle.
(15:15:00) Kira Light: Hmm, didn't they write something about Volt-Turn in a Smog Article?
(15:15:23) +Trinitrotoluene: That was a Smog article.
(15:15:30) +Trinitrotoluene: This is a guide.
(15:15:38) Kira Light: Ah.
(15:16:10) +Harsha: Ok, thanks.
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(15:17:30) Kira Light: Please leave, Flat the Composer.
(15:17:32) Flat the Composer left the channel.
(15:17:41) +Trinitrotoluene: People need to read the topic title.
(15:17:53) +Harsha: Lol.
(15:17:57) +Trinitrotoluene: So, back to the team.
(15:18:01) +Harsha: Yeah.
(15:18:07) +Trinitrotoluene: What did we want Starmie to use?
(15:18:30) Kira Light: Rapid Spin, T-Bolt, Ice Beam, Hydro Pump?
(15:18:48) +Harsha: That's what I was thinking.
(15:19:05) Kira Light: Recover would be nice, since it will be taking LO damage.
(15:19:10) Kira Light: (If we use Life Orb)
(15:19:28) +Harsha: Or we could use Lefties.
(15:19:33) Kira Light: Yeah.
(15:19:56) +Trinitrotoluene: I think Leftovers would be the superior option.
(15:20:25) +Harsha: Alright; it retains coverage and has reliable healing.
(15:20:36) +Harsha: So there is Starmie, Rotom-W, Scizor, and Celebi.
(15:20:43) +Trinitrotoluene: This lets us keep pressure on the Pokemon that could threaten the team (specifically Scrafty).
(15:20:52) Kira Light: Starmie @ Leftovers | Trait: Natural Cure | EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe | Timid Nature | Rapid Spin, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt
(15:20:54) +Harsha: Yeah, that's true.
(15:20:57) +Trinitrotoluene: Yep.
(15:21:11) +Harsha: So we were going to try SubSD Terrakion?
(15:21:22) Kira Light: Scrafty would be a problem. Terrakion can help if it's unboosted.
(15:21:29) +Trinitrotoluene: Yep.
(15:21:41) +Trinitrotoluene: Starmie is faster than a +1 Scrafty.
(15:21:51) +Trinitrotoluene: Bulk Up variants lose to Scizor.
(15:21:54) Kira Light: If it is low in health, Scizor can take it out.
(15:21:58) Kira Light: Yeah.
(15:22:03) +Harsha: Scizor beats it with Superpower.
(15:22:08) Kira Light: Indeed.
(15:22:20) Kira Light: But that's for the Standard Scizor set.
(15:22:21) +Trinitrotoluene: Let's determine the EVs for our Celebi before moving along.
(15:22:40) Kira Light: Let me run calcs.
(15:23:21) +Harsha: Alright.
(15:24:11) Kira Light: Well, with Rick's set, if Scrafty has no bulk EV investments, Superpower does 113%-131%.
(15:25:15) +Harsha: Well, that's fair.
(15:25:54) +Trinitrotoluene: Harsha, would you mind if I addded myself as a co-author for the guide you're producing?
(15:26:04) +Harsha: I was going to do that anyways.
(15:26:11) +Harsha: Go ahead, though.
(15:26:11) +Trinitrotoluene: Alright.
(15:26:41) Kira Light: Hey, all the members of the Wario is OSSIM Fanclub are here!
(15:27:06) +Trinitrotoluene: Except for STEELDRAGON.
(15:27:40) Kira Light: Yep.
(15:27:51) +Harsha: Lol.
(15:27:53) Kira Light: Well, we should finish the team soon, then save the chat log.
(15:28:42) +Trinitrotoluene: Yeah.
(15:28:49) +Trinitrotoluene: So, SubSD Terrakion it is, eh?
(15:29:13) +Harsha: I think so.
(15:29:23) Kira Light: Yep.
(15:29:33) +Harsha: And we'll use Roost, DD, Dragon Claw, and Earthquake / Fire Punch?
(15:29:37) +Harsha: Or do we want Outrage?
(15:29:46) Kira Light: Dragon Claw would be better.
(15:29:48) +Trinitrotoluene: Dragon Claw.
(15:30:03) +Trinitrotoluene: I would prefer Fire Punch.
(15:30:25) Kira Light: Heatran will be a problem, but alright.
(15:30:30) +Trinitrotoluene: We can take care of Heatran with Rotom-W and Starmie.
(15:30:36) Kira Light: Yes.
(15:30:42) Kira Light: EVs?
(15:30:44) +Trinitrotoluene: Scizor can OHKO it on the switch with Superpower if predicted right.
(15:30:50) +Harsha: Fire Punch it is, then.
(15:31:01) Kira Light: Are we using Rock Gem for Terrakion?
(15:31:08) +Harsha: Would we go 252 / 4 / 252?
(15:31:11) +Harsha: And yea.
(15:31:38) Kira Light: Yep.
(15:31:40) Kira Light: Jolly Nature.
(15:31:49) +Trinitrotoluene: For Terrakion, the 252 / 4 / 252 spread is preferred.
(15:32:04) Kira Light: How about Dragonite's EVs?
(15:32:48) +Harsha: Alrighty.
(15:33:05) +Trinitrotoluene: Do you want to use the Bulky Dragon Dancer's EVs, or the Offensive Dancer's EVs?
(15:33:47) Kira Light: I think the Bulky Dragon Dancer would be a better option.
(15:34:41) +Harsha: I'm not positive as far as what to use. We lose to HP Ice Rotom-W if we get outsped.
(15:34:47) +Harsha: At +2, that is.
(15:34:58) +Harsha: At +1 we are outsped anyways.
(15:35:13) +Trinitrotoluene: The Bulky Dancer uses these EVs: 252 HP / 44 Atk / 212 Spe.
(15:35:20) +Trinitrotoluene: We'll outspeed at +2.
(15:35:23) Kira Light: Yep.
(15:35:32) +Trinitrotoluene: Oh wait.
(15:35:33) +Harsha: Alright. But we have to use 248 HP EVs.
(15:35:37) +Harsha: To minimize SR damage.
(15:36:01) Kira Light: We can add 4 EVs to Attack, I guess.
(15:36:47) +Harsha: Yeah.
(15:36:53) +Trinitrotoluene: http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue2/saving_hp2
(15:37:00) +Trinitrotoluene: Read that.
(15:37:08) +Trinitrotoluene: I think it'll help.
(15:38:29) +Trinitrotoluene: Dragonite has a base 91 HP stat, so maximizing HP EVs won't make it Stealth Rock or status-weak.
(15:38:54) Kira Light: That makes sense.
(15:39:10) +Harsha: I thought it was 25% each turn?
(15:39:23) +Trinitrotoluene: The calcs: 386 (Dragonite's max HP) / 4 = 96.5; 386 / 8 = 48.25; 386 / 16 = 24.125.
(15:39:30) +Harsha: Oh, I see now.
(15:40:42) +Trinitrotoluene: Actually, after some deliberation, we should switch 4 EVs from Attack to Speed.
(15:41:27) Kira Light: So...Dragonite @ Leftovers | Trait: Multiscale | EVs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 Spe | Sub, DD, Dragon Claw, EQ
(15:41:53) +Trinitrotoluene: Roost over Sub.
(15:42:06) Kira Light: Yeah.
(15:42:29) Kira Light: Nature?
(15:42:44) +Trinitrotoluene: Adamant.
(15:42:47) +Harsha: Yeah.
(15:43:06) +Harsha: That's basically it.
(15:43:07) +Trinitrotoluene: The 216 Speed EVs let Dragonite hit 500 at two boosts.
(15:43:12) Kira Light: Yep.
(15:43:16) +Harsha: That's a good benchmark.
(15:43:30) +Trinitrotoluene: Now, about Rotom-W's and Celebi's EVs.
(15:44:20) Kira Light: Are we using Tinkerbell's EVs for Celebi?
(15:44:42) +Harsha: Rotom's can be taken from the site, no?
(15:45:03) +Trinitrotoluene: Well, I'd like Rotom to be a tad more defensive, so it can beat Cloyster.
(15:45:44) +Harsha: That's fair. I've seen what Cloyster can do.
(15:45:51) Kira Light: How about using ToF's EVs?
(15:46:03) Kira Light: From "When in Doubt, U-Turn Out!"
(15:46:41) Kira Light: 252 HP / 216 Def / 40 SpA | 0 Atk
(15:46:42) +Harsha: We could go 252 / 232 / 24.
(15:46:54) +Harsha: Either one should work.
(15:46:55) +Trinitrotoluene: Those could work. After all, we can beat down Offensive SD Scizor with our team as it is
(15:46:57) +Trinitrotoluene: .
(15:47:02) +Harsha: Yeah.
(15:47:32) Kira Light: So which EV spread do we pick?
(15:48:34) +Harsha: Save the chat. I think Rick lost it.
(15:48:37) +Trinitrotoluene: Alright. Which spread do you two want?
(15:48:43) +Trinitrotoluene: I did lose the chat.
(15:48:44) Kira Light: Alright.
(15:48:53) Kira Light: (16:47:43) Kira Light: So which EV spread do we pick?
(15:48:53) Kira Light: (16:48:17) Trinitrotoluene logged out.
(15:49:09) +Trinitrotoluene: I was disconnected.
(15:49:15) +Harsha: I guess the more defensive one? It gives us a buffer.
(15:49:15) Kira Light: You didn't miss anything.
(15:49:18) +Harsha: Though not by much.
(15:49:19) Kira Light: Yeah.
(15:49:21) +Trinitrotoluene: Yeah.
(15:49:24) +Trinitrotoluene: That would work.
(15:49:32) Kira Light: Starmie is our offensive guy, though.
(15:49:33) +Harsha: Oof.
(15:49:35) +Harsha: 9 pages.
(15:50:03) +Harsha: Alright, so that's everything, no?
(15:50:08) Kira Light: Celebi?
(15:50:34) +Harsha: By the way, have you guys seen this: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3452430 ?
(15:50:44) +Harsha: And for Celebi, maybe just the on-site EVs?
(15:50:50) Kira Light: That could do.
(15:51:01) +Trinitrotoluene: Yep.
(15:51:07) +Trinitrotoluene: I've seen his stall guide.
(15:51:14) Kira Light: Chesto Berry will be Rotom-W's item, then.
(15:51:19) +Trinitrotoluene: The on-site EVs will do well.
(15:51:20) Kira Light: Leftovers for Celebi?
(15:51:34) +Harsha: Okey doke.
(15:51:38) +Harsha: And yeah, I believe so.
(15:51:56) Kira Light: 232 HP / 240 SpA / 36 Spe
(15:52:09) Kira Light: Alright, which IVs give HP Fire, whilst minimizing confusion damage?
(15:52:22) +Trinitrotoluene: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe.
(15:52:33) +Harsha: Yeah, that's it.
(15:52:34) Kira Light: Thank you.
(15:52:57) +Trinitrotoluene: Leaf Storm, or Giga Drain?
(15:53:26) +Harsha: Giga Drain, I think.
(15:53:34) +Trinitrotoluene: That would work.
(15:53:34) +Harsha: I don't want Celebi to become Scizor fodder.
(15:53:39) +Trinitrotoluene: Psychic, or Recover?
(15:53:56) Kira Light: Psychic for ConkelHURR
(15:54:18) +Harsha: Yeah. Plus we have reliable recovery (kinda) in Giga Drain.
(15:54:22) Kira Light: Team name?
(15:54:52) +Trinitrotoluene: Penembakan Hasrat Membunuh?.
(15:55:04) +Trinitrotoluene: Disregard the period after the question mark.
(15:55:06) +Harsha: Fair enough.
(15:55:09) +Harsha: Lol.
(15:55:17) Kira Light: Alright.
(15:55:20) +Harsha: And that's "The Shooting Desire to Kill?"
(15:55:36) +Trinitrotoluene: Alternatively translated as Bloodlust Cannon.
(15:55:39) +Harsha: Lol.
(15:55:47) +Harsha: Alright, that sounds good.
(15:55:49) Kira Light: Are we done?
(15:56:02) +Trinitrotoluene: Life Orb, or Leftovers?
(15:56:03) +Harsha: I am assuming we are. I'll save what we have.
(15:56:05) Kira Light: More modifications can be made after testing, I guess.
(15:56:05) +Harsha: Oh.
(15:56:09) +Harsha: Lefties I think.
(15:56:11) Kira Light: Leftovers?
(15:56:56) +Trinitrotoluene: Alright.
(15:57:12) Kira Light: Thank you for making the team with us, Harsha and Rick.
(15:57:16) Kira Light: I appreciate it.
(15:57:19) +Trinitrotoluene: No problems.
(15:57:23) +Harsha: Any time.
(15:57:30) +Harsha: Well, I would like to any time.
(15:57:35) +Trinitrotoluene: That was fun.
(15:57:40) Kira Light: It was indeed.
(15:57:41) +Harsha: Unfortunately, I'm not available "any time."
(15:57:44) +Harsha: And yeah, it was.