[5:38:48 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): sort this out
[5:38:55 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): have ein play lighting now
[5:38:57 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): jsut end it
[5:39:20 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): as an fyi im very much leaning towards voting the 1-0 in gnr favour
[5:41:55 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: well
[5:42:01 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: im not sure what I've done to offend you
[5:42:14 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: except have the gall to suggest that captains should have a say in accepting subs
[5:42:19 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: which im still not sure why it earned me you're ire
[5:42:34 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): nah you havent offended me
[5:42:37 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: maybe it was the allkill scheduling thing, im not sure but
[5:42:41 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): i actually like you and all in a lot
[5:42:56 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): im trying to be as impatial as possible
[5:44:12 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): the way i see it
[5:44:24 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): is that both players missed each other and the after 7 stuff
[5:44:26 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): sure
[5:44:26 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): shitty
[5:44:43 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): but between you and colter butting heads nothing has been done to sort it out
[5:45:05 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): lighting messaged ein midnight thursday to see whats up
[5:45:18 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): and sure he may of been out of town
[5:45:30 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): but between you an kazi and egos nothing has been able to be sorted
[5:45:49 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: ergo, rule in ninkazi's favor? i don't follow the logic
[5:46:04 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): and to me it seams like all in are trying to hide behind the fact that a double wo means a more than likely all in victory
[5:46:27 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: whether or not that is true
[5:46:40 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: i think judging the walkover dispute on anything other than its own merits
[5:46:45 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: isn't appropriate
[5:46:57 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): im of the thought that no one should be rewarded for not sorting out a double walkover
[5:47:10 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): and clearly thats not the case here
[5:47:19 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: we're being rewarded because we won the ace match
[5:47:20 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): it has to factor in the decision
[5:47:30 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and this walkover occurred at the beginning of the week
[5:47:36 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: well before there was any way we could have known
[5:47:44 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: it could potentially be the deciding factor
[5:48:02 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): yes it did...but the shit storm of re organising it occured afterwards
[5:48:07 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: well
[5:48:13 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: i'll send you the logs i just sent to tbham
[5:48:18 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: but it sounds like you already have them
[5:48:24 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): ive seen some
[5:48:35 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): i have thistopic going across 4 skype chats and a forum post
[5:48:39 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): its doing my head in
[5:48:52 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: ninkazi said nothing about this until today, and his attempts at 'scheduling' were full of insults and attempts to provoke me
[5:49:08 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): can you at least understand im of the thought that no one should be rewarded for not sorting out a double walkover
[11:47:09 AM] Drew Clark (couchie): and clearly thats not the case here
[5:49:19 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: 'not sorting out' is one thing
[5:49:37 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): ive seen you and kazi talk....neither of you were nice in your discussion
[5:49:39 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and 'not being willing to agree to random subs at the 11th hour on sunday night'
[5:49:45 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: is different
[5:50:09 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): no
[5:50:20 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): but lightnign attempted to sort it out on thursday night
[5:50:26 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: we had first hand assurance from an admin he walkover was ours
[5:50:40 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): you had assurance from tbham who cant vote on the matter
[5:51:12 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: that's true, but i assume he still understands the rules
[5:51:17 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): he does
[5:51:27 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): but he like you cant stand colter
[5:51:43 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: well
[5:51:48 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: i don't control tbham and ninkazi's relationship
[5:51:51 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): no
[5:51:57 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): but you do control yours and ninkazi's
[5:52:12 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and if you decide to rule the way you to do, in order to teach tbham or me a lesson, rather than a strict reading of the rules
[5:52:16 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and what is required to satisfy them
[5:52:26 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): its not about teaching a lesson
[5:52:49 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: then i guess that is on your conscience
[5:52:55 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: i also don't want to set the precedent
[5:53:01 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): the bottom line is
[5:53:06 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): why the hell cant ein play now?
[5:53:08 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: that i can be intimidated by an admins threat that they can vote against me if i don't do what they want
[5:53:27 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): im not intimidating you at all
[5:53:41 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): nor threatening
[5:53:50 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): im trying to state my opinion and the facts
[5:53:59 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): so that an appropriate solution can be found
[5:54:14 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: well, i can appreciate that
[5:54:18 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: but i hope you can also appreciate my position
[5:54:25 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): i do
[5:54:25 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: which is that im stuck between
[5:54:34 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: leaving admins to preponder the evidence
[5:54:41 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): would you be taking the same stance if xael lost?
[5:54:42 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: which, under a strict interpretation of the rules,
[5:54:53 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: says that i am entitled to a double walkover, and probably even to a walkover
[5:54:57 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: since GnR has nos creenshots what so ever
[5:55:03 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: only replays, which aren't admissible under the rules
[5:55:33 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: so why would i throw a way a guaranteed win into a possible loss
[5:55:49 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: especially given the pressure the player and/or sub would be under
[5:57:09 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: i think that would be irresponsible behavior for a captain. a captains job is to deal with the political garbage like this and hope that  sense prevails, and that ultimately the people who are following the rules (and not causing communication problems every single week it seems like) are the ones who don't get dicked over
[5:57:29 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): i understand
[5:57:34 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: let say i tell ein to play right now because im tired of dealing of dealing with this problem (which i am)
[5:57:36 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and he loses
[5:57:38 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and then canary loses
[5:57:49 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and we're done
[5:57:51 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: this all
[5:57:52 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): yeah
[5:57:53 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: comes immediately after
[5:57:57 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: if you recall
[5:57:58 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: ninkazi's shady ass
[5:58:01 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: metalcore sub
[5:58:11 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: so why would i do ninkazi any favors
[5:58:24 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: when he only bothered to follow the rules and you know
[5:58:27 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: actually in form me of the sub
[5:58:32 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): yeah
[5:58:33 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: after i threatened to go the admins about it
[5:58:57 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: i think that should have been a walkover for us too, but i was tired of dealing with ninkazi's shit on that particular day so i said fine whatever play
[5:59:05 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): i do not believe anything shady about the metalcore think
[5:59:06 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and jacobis decided to be an idiot
[5:59:08 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and change his race
[5:59:12 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and apparently the rules say i cant stop that
[5:59:15 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: so he lost like a retard
[5:59:16 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): alex is not one to run away from a fight
[5:59:19 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: so as far as i'm concerned
[5:59:23 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: I've done gnr enough favors this week
[5:59:53 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): but thats not the point
[6:00:11 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): either way the decsion wont be the admins
[6:00:18 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): ninkazi will call for a vote of captains
[6:00:25 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): he has already stated as much
[6:00:37 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: well, then i guess we'll have to see who has better diplomacy with the other teams
[6:00:55 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: im certainly not the most popular captain
[6:00:59 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: but if i had to pick another to go up against
[6:01:01 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: i'd pick ninkazi
[6:01:05 PM] Drew Clark (couchie): lol
[6:01:19 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: im still fairly convinced canary will beat house
[6:01:30 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: and none of this will matter
[6:01:48 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: but lets say he doesn't, and it goes to a captains vote, and i lose
[6:01:54 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: i will have done right by my team, i think
[6:02:24 PM] Henry 'Sinistar' Demarest: they wont think 'sin caved to admin/ninkazi/whoever pressure and made someone play a game we'd technically already won under the rules and that cost us the playoffs'