#RedSands_2012-01-08 through 09 @ 3am

<Moralfag> hiii
<Moralfag> = w=
<Shot__> :V
<Shot__> V:
<Moralfag> o wo
<Moralfag> I'm glad you guys like this setting, anyway.
<MrTT> I like it a lot
<MrTT> ooh... ok here is an idea. we get ourselves a living animal, like a rat... we draw magic THROUGH it as a proxy such that it gets the taint
<MrTT> and we get the clean magic on the other side
<Shot__> Nope
<Moralfag> ...
<Moralfag> XD
<Shot__> Clean magic is utterly impossible.
<Moralfag> Yeah, no.
<Shot__> Even magical items taint you!
<MrTT> not even with evil?
<Shot__> Not even with evil.
<Moralfag> Especially not with evil, but yer.
<Shot__> I had Mammon approach a character in a sidefic with the promise of clean magic and he was liek "Yeah, no"
<MrTT> so... does the whole "i taste shit" type backlash depend on what spell you are casting?
<Shot__> Not reeally.
<Shot__> It's random.
<MrTT> ah, so a healer casting healing spell will feel the same thing
<Shot__> Divination spells will affect the sense you get hit in.,
<Shot__> But other than that, no.
<MrTT> I almost think we should have gone psi rather then mage now...
<Moralfag> Magic is so much more fun, though. XD
<MrTT> hence the almost :P
<MrTT> although the psichic shopkeeper ie using telekinesis and didn't vomit from backlash so it seems like psi is basically "magic with no backlash"
<MrTT> is psi noticably weaker?
<Moralfag> It has less versatility.
<Moralfag> You can't perform nearly the same number of feats with psionics.
<Moralfag> And to a certain extent, mutations can be beneficial (as you've seen), so in a way psions are weaker.
<MrTT> yea, i am almost tempted to cast bestow mutation on self a dozen times  and then muddle mutation it into uberness
<Shot__> It should also be noted - healing affects both parties with Taint.
<MrTT> A full set of angelic mutations along with stinger tail and regeneration and some others
<Moralfag> Yay
<MacroDaemon> Hmm, the muddle mutation thing. Does it really encompass all the different kinds of mutations?
<Moralfag> Not really, and I didn't finish the list because I had a headache that night.
<Moralfag> I really need to.
<MacroDaemon> To me, it just does not make much sense that it would cover all the different types as opposed to just the type of magic you use and the normal kind
<MacroDaemon> Ah, so it is limited
<Moralfag> Yeah, I was kinda gonna say that it doesn't make much sense to be able to muddle into types of mutations from magic schools you don't use, Shot.
<MacroDaemon> If you could have all different types of mutations, Sera is going to end up with a hell of a lot of wing pairs..
<MrTT> Arch angel
<Moralfag> I need to head off, sorry.
<MrTT> 3 sets of angel wings
<MrTT> FTW
<MacroDaemon> Hmm, I wonder how the mutations overlapp
<MrTT> "You dare call me evil you demon worshipper!" she will accuse someone
<MacroDaemon> overlap*
<MrTT> he mentioned that rolling skin mutation while already having one gives a reroll unless its progressive
<MrTT> in which case it progresses
<MrTT> i am guessing succubus is progressive
<MrTT> oh god i so want to mix succubus with angel trait
<MrTT> angelbus
<MacroDaemon> No furry succubus' for us
<Shot__> Well, it depends.
<MrTT> Actually furry succubus is explicitly allowed
<MrTT> We just need to roll for fur on mutation list
<MacroDaemon> Not sure if that makes me happy or not..
<MrTT> and succubus on black magic list
<MrTT> both we have
<MrTT> Angel - succubus hybrid is more difficult
<MacroDaemon> But the fur and leather will clash!
<MrTT> but its what i really want
<MacroDaemon> OH the horror
<MacroDaemon> I still do not think getting angelic or any other different kind of mutation is proper, considering we use demonic magic
<MrTT> That is the whole point
<MrTT> It is evil... we are using subterfuge
<MacroDaemon> Would make more sense if we somehow secured angelic or other types of spells to work a different list of tain and mutations
<MrTT> We are tricking people into think us angelic
<MrTT> that is silly, why would we the DEMONIC LEGION convince sara to toss US away in favor of getting a source of angelic magic?
<MacroDaemon> Nobody said anything about ditching the book
<MacroDaemon> Who says we can't have both?
<MrTT> We say so, because we ar ethe demonic legion
<MacroDaemon> Think of the story options
<MacroDaemon> Well, as I stated in the discussion thread, not all demons have to be evil
<MrTT> "<Moralfag> Yeah, I was kinda gonna say that it doesn't make much sense to be able to muddle into types of mutations from magic schools you don't use, Shot." - this really need resolving cause last shot said we could
<Shot__> Awwww'
<Shot__> Really?
<MacroDaemon> I think we also need something to stop us from stacking on mutations with out a care in the world
<Shot__> Moralfag, you have rights to make that sort of ruling.
<MacroDaemon> He went shopping..
<Shot__> derp
<Shot__> Well
<Shot__> You can muddle into types you can access.
<MacroDaemon> Woot!
<Shot__> Which is... Black and mutation.
<MacroDaemon> In your face MrTT!
<Shot__> Mutation being a kinda shitty table unless you've mastered mutations.
<MacroDaemon> On a side note, does this mean the plot will open up the possibility of acquiring new spell trees and mutation lists?
<MrTT> Can we cross between schools we use
<MrTT> that is... muddle a "mutation" mutation into a "black" mutation?
<Shot__> Probably.
<Shot__> I'm thinking real hard on it.
<MacroDaemon> It would probably end up being some moral situation
<MacroDaemon> Since it appears any type of magic is achieved with massive sacrifices, in blood and other ways
<Shot__> Not truly - there are books and shit.
<Shot__> But sacrifice and pacts are a decent shortcut.
<MacroDaemon> Bugger, that makes it a bit duller
<MacroDaemon> That makes me hope that different types of magic clash enough for special situations to appear
<MacroDaemon> How much money do we have, anyway?
<Shot__> A lot.
<Shot__> That's another thing I lost track of - her inventory.
<Shot__> It should be
<MacroDaemon> Let's see, 300 from Rose, of which how much was used for the armour and weapons`?
<Shot__> What she had + half reward + ~50 Chip + some stuff.
<MacroDaemon> Then the 300 reward(was it 300) which was probably split
<Shot__> Ammo, gun, etc
<MacroDaemon> Rose took the loot money, right?
<Shot__> Some of it.
<Shot__> She got pure chip, you got salvage profit.
<Shot__> (If you play Fallout, you know which was better)
<MacroDaemon> Due to that, you could just make up any number of chips in excess of about 400
<MacroDaemon> Heh, when hauling around eyeballs with loot to different stores, sure
<MacroDaemon> But Rose's inventory is limited
<MrTT> Ok next thread i am insisting we recast muddle mutation until we get working wings
<Shot__> You sure? YOu're rising up on another mutatuon, now
<MacroDaemon> To be fair, it will happen anyway
<MacroDaemon> Better in a "safe" town than in combat
<Shot__> This is true.
<MacroDaemon> Okay, what would happen if she got wings?
<MacroDaemon> Ruined armour or mangled wings?
<Shot__> Gottagettoplessrightthefucknow
<MacroDaemon> If either is true, I fear we need to keep a careful watch over taint and prepare for any new mutations
<Shot__> Mutations take time to occur, and it's pretty much the Taint raping you.
<MacroDaemon> Well shit, you got my vote for the muddling MrTT
<Shot__> A bad enough feeling that many mages outright stop after number two, three, or four.
<Shot__> To put it into perspective, there is only ONE MAN in the wastes who is still sentient with +1- natural mutations.
<Shot__> +10 raether
<MacroDaemon> Obviously, she does not have the option
<MacroDaemon> But this does limit casting..
<MacroDaemon> Please tell me the limit goes up, because otherwise she will be vegetable in a couple of chapters(if the quest lasts that long)'
<Shot__> it's not a hard limit.
<Shot__> It's just that Taint mutations feel worse and worse.
<Shot__> Not to mention mental breakdown doesn't result in vegetables.
<MacroDaemon> It sure as hell can after enough times
<MrTT> If we choose magic
<Shot__> I can't spill that aspect here, however.
<MrTT> and mutation master is not retroactive
<MrTT> then we will need to reroll ALL our mutations anyways
<Shot__> |3
<MacroDaemon> What, really?
<Shot__> I don't think you understand how Inured works.
<MacroDaemon> It thought the effect would just carry on like inured
<Shot__> Or even the description of majic.
<MrTT> Doesn't Inured mean improved, and master means even more improved?
<MrTT> improved as in "less harmful stuff, more good stuff"
<Shot__> Each stat upgrade serves to describe some of the associated perk.
<Shot__> Read magic again.
<MrTT> are you talking to me or macrodeaemon?
<Shot__> on both sheets
<Shot__> Yes
<MrTT> yes me or yes him?
<MacroDaemon> Hehe
<Shot__> yes
<MrTT> <Shot__> A bad enough feeling that many mages outright stop after number two, three, or four.
<MrTT> <Shot__> To put it into perspective, there is only ONE MAN in the wastes who is still sentient with +1- natural mutations.
<MrTT> Well fuckhshit
<MacroDaemon> I think he just does not want to explain everything to us and wants us to figure it out, though I could be wrong
<MrTT> we really should have gone psio the
<MrTT> I thought it was just physical not "you use your main ability you become a worthless vegatable"
<Shot__> Yes, Macro has it in one.
<MrTT> and its not like our spells are even that powerful
<MrTT> what with a bullet bein g just as good without taint
<Shot__> Most of spellwork lies in application.
<Shot__> Not in awesome spells.
<MacroDaemon> I think, once the next chapter/thread starts, Sera should waste a lot of her money on buying books about magic
<Shot__> Though, magic has a much broader area of application.
<Shot__> For instance, Telekinesis cannot crush things - it can push, lift, pull and the like, but it can't compress.
<Shot__> There are magical spells that can do everything Telekinesis can and then some.
<Shot__> Hell, Nailed To The Sky is a spell.
<MacroDaemon> Pain and Sickness do not exactly have that many possibilities
<MacroDaemon> Though I have been meaning to ask, can Sera aim and localize the spells?
<Shot__> What does 'sick' mean, really?
<Shot__> Yes.
<Shot__> She can cause pain in specific limbs, and specific KINDS of pain.
<MacroDaemon> You know, this is information that would have been helpful before she lost the pinky, hehe
<MrTT> me back
<MacroDaemon> Pain in groin, mission over..
<MacroDaemon> Also, this means we should pick different diseases and plagues when casting Sickness
<MrTT> ok... at char creation i assume going full evil means that we can use taint to become demons and that taint will make us EVIL... not that taint will make us into a vegetable
<Shot__> Eh.
<Shot__> Again, that's treading stuff I can't reveal.
<MacroDaemon> The evil/demon/taint thing?
<Shot__> Yup
<Shot__> There is one thing I can tell you
<Shot__> You did not take everything from your vault of significant value.
<MrTT> yes, i actually saw that part in quest
<MrTT> also she apparently has AMENESIA and does not recall what she did in the vault
<Shot__> Keep in mind I just don't mean in terms of Chip
<MrTT> she feels she left something there and so did we the legion
<MacroDaemon> Well, we obviously missed out on plenty of tech, though I do not think you mean that
<MacroDaemon> If we did as well, it might be a page or something
<MrTT> We the DEMONIC LEGION feel something is missing and left in the vault... so i seriously doubt it is tech
<Shot__> I can gaurentee three things in the next thread.
<MacroDaemon> Yes, kind of what I figured
<MacroDaemon> But think of the money involved in the vault
<Shot__> an old friend will visit.
<Shot__> A new friend will be lost.
<MacroDaemon> Fully functional ancient tech, has to be worth something
<Shot__> opportunities will rise.
<MrTT> did we MAKE any new friends aside from rose?
<Macro> Eh, something, something
<Macro> What did I miss?
<MrTT> are you macrodemon?
<Macro> Yeah
<MrTT> i am showing both Macro and MacroDemon to be concurrently logged in
<Macro> What gave it away, heh?
<MrTT> The only reason i am asking is cause i am seeing both of you concurrently
<MrTT> and you missed: <Shot__> opportunities will rise.
<MrTT> <MrTT> did we MAKE any new friends aside from rose?
<Shot__> |3
<Macro> Well, as I tried to say before, we did sort of befriend the girl
<Macro> So that is a less obvious secondary option
<Macro> For the old friends thing, no idea, since we do not know her past
<Macro> And for the opportunities, it might mean chances to solidify our alignment
<Macro> As either doing something of great evil or something of great good
<Macro> Hopefully nothing stupid good
<Shot__> Off to play New Vegas. If Moralfag returns, tell him~
<Macro> Tell him what?
<Macro> Anyway, that is pretty much what I suspect
<Macro> Though, the old friend is either another vault dweller/person or a demon that helped with the book thing
<Moralfag> Whoo!
<Moralfag> Back.
<Moralfag> Anyone else still actually here?
<Samar> Shot__ Off to play New Vegas. If Moralfag returns, tell him~
<Moralfag> Lol, figures.
<Moralfag> Thanks
<Moralfag> Any questions or feedback in the meantime?
<Moralfag> Hmm.
<Moralfag> MrTT
* Moralfag snaps fingers.
<Moralfag> Alreet, naito gaizu.
<MrTT> yes
<MrTT> you called?
<MrTT> oh he left already