[2015-05-22 11:30:33 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: hey ten, you've read yobidasareta, right?
[2015-05-22 11:30:44 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Wuzdat again?
[2015-05-22 11:30:55 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: modern samurai dude
[2015-05-22 11:30:59 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: summoned into isekai
[2015-05-22 11:31:16 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Hm, the OP guy?
[2015-05-22 11:31:20 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: yeah
[2015-05-22 11:31:20 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': killing everything?
[2015-05-22 11:31:22 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: yup
[2015-05-22 11:31:27 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Yes, not the latest chaps hotuhg
[2015-05-22 11:31:29 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': no spoiz
[2015-05-22 11:31:31 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': spoilzz
[2015-05-22 11:31:32 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: how much do you think the author actually knows about real combat?
[2015-05-22 11:31:32 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': waittt
[2015-05-22 11:31:34 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Oh
[2015-05-22 11:31:38 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: because i saw that one chapter
[2015-05-22 11:31:41 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': I have only read the first few chaps
[2015-05-22 11:31:42 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: where all the ppl in fantasy world
[2015-05-22 11:31:43 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': and he just mentioned
[2015-05-22 11:31:49 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: are apparently open and defenceless
[2015-05-22 11:31:54 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: when drawing their sword
[2015-05-22 11:32:01 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': That's true
[2015-05-22 11:32:09 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: not sure if he was doing that just because he wanted to make an easy way
[2015-05-22 11:32:11 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Especially if they're long swords
[2015-05-22 11:32:15 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: to teach new chars defensive techniques
[2015-05-22 11:32:16 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Like, the ones knights wield
[2015-05-22 11:32:23 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: or if he's just ignorant about how actual swordfighting works
[2015-05-22 11:32:25 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': But katanas are a diff story
[2015-05-22 11:32:30 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Short swords too
[2015-05-22 11:32:39 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: with short swords, you really wouldnt have a problem
[2015-05-22 11:32:42 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: i tihnk the author is too japanese
[2015-05-22 11:32:46 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: and only thinks about the katana
[2015-05-22 11:32:50 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Like, the long swords are hard to draw as a knight
[2015-05-22 11:32:54 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': because of the armor etc.
[2015-05-22 11:32:56 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: normally with one-handed war swords in other nations
[2015-05-22 11:32:58 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': But the armor is also the reason
[2015-05-22 11:33:01 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: you'd either use defensive drawing techniques
[2015-05-22 11:33:04 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': they don't care that they're defenseless for a few sec
[2015-05-22 11:33:07 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: or in the first place, you'd have a shield and or buckler
[2015-05-22 11:33:13 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: it's not like katanas, where it's civilian combat
[2015-05-22 11:33:17 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': because if one would try to kill them in the few secs they have to get close, can't get through the armour
[2015-05-22 11:33:22 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': then die by their hand
[2015-05-22 11:33:41 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: mmn, i'm not really giong with the knights and heavy longsword stuff
[2015-05-22 11:33:42 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: (2h)
[2015-05-22 11:33:47 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: since the adventurers in the web novel
[2015-05-22 11:33:49 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: are all lightly armoured
[2015-05-22 11:33:57 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: so i was thinking more partial armour/leather armour 1h swords
[2015-05-22 11:33:57 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Adventurer =!= knight
[2015-05-22 11:34:00 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: but in that case
[2015-05-22 11:34:03 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: you'd have shields
[2015-05-22 11:34:11 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: or defensive drawing techniques
[2015-05-22 11:34:18 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: it isn't necessary to quickdraw for everything
[2015-05-22 11:34:25 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: since you arne't dudes with nothing but a katana and kimono
[2015-05-22 11:34:37 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': True
[2015-05-22 11:34:45 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': But I don't think the adventurers are dressed the same as knights
[2015-05-22 11:34:55 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: and really, the lack of shields in some of these 'fantasy ma' things kind of seem.. idunno
[2015-05-22 11:34:55 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: ignorant
[2015-05-22 11:35:00 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: civilian duelling combat aside
[2015-05-22 11:35:00 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': I always believed the knights in those stories are wielding 2H steel swords
[2015-05-22 11:35:07 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: e.g. katana, wushu jian, rapier
[2015-05-22 11:35:17 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Very true
[2015-05-22 11:35:18 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: you generally wouldn't be sword fighting without a shield
[2015-05-22 11:35:31 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': That's indeed not the Jap way
[2015-05-22 11:35:39 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': not sure about the chinese history of fighting
[2015-05-22 11:35:51 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: ah, with chinese since they had huge numbers
[2015-05-22 11:35:52 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: it was similar to roman
[2015-05-22 11:35:53 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': damn, can't remember kingdom xD
[2015-05-22 11:35:56 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: in that you had diff legions
[2015-05-22 11:35:58 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: with diff armaments
[2015-05-22 11:36:04 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Ah yeah
[2015-05-22 11:36:07 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: not japanese
[2015-05-22 11:36:11 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: where archers aside
[2015-05-22 11:36:13 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: each dude would have a spear
[2015-05-22 11:36:16 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: and a side arm
[2015-05-22 11:36:16 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: etc.
[2015-05-22 11:36:21 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Yup
[2015-05-22 11:36:30 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Although, I can imagine why the guard knights
[2015-05-22 11:36:34 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': don't wear shields
[2015-05-22 11:36:47 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': But that's only if they're in full armour
[2015-05-22 11:36:51 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Which is never really explained
[2015-05-22 11:36:56 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Most of the time
[2015-05-22 11:37:01 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': when I read inconsistincies in lns / wns
[2015-05-22 11:37:11 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': I fix them in my head by rationalizing I guess xD
[2015-05-22 11:37:20 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Or adding things the author didn't mention to make it fit
[2015-05-22 11:38:08 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: yeah
[2015-05-22 11:38:13 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: i know it depends on the armour and stuff too
[2015-05-22 11:38:17 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: that's why with knight stuff
[2015-05-22 11:38:23 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: lots of them were more like sword-shaped 2handed clubs
[2015-05-22 11:38:28 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: but mn, i just mean adventurer style
[2015-05-22 11:38:31 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: seems kind of weird
[2015-05-22 11:38:39 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: and a bit funny that the author had to add in the magical unbreakable katana
[2015-05-22 11:38:44 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: just to make the civilian combat styles work
[2015-05-22 11:38:51 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Ikr xD
[2015-05-22 11:38:51 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: against the few knights that actually ARE in the story
[2015-05-22 11:39:00 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Seriously though, I read that novel
[2015-05-22 11:39:10 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Because of the personality of the main character
[2015-05-22 11:39:14 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Not because of the martial arts
[2015-05-22 11:39:17 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': But that his personality
[2015-05-22 11:39:20 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': is based upon martial arts
[2015-05-22 11:39:22 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': I guess
[2015-05-22 11:39:36 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: ah, well, it's not like i was hoping much out of the martial arts aspect
[2015-05-22 11:39:40 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: i just wanted to see him kill heaps of dudes
[2015-05-22 11:39:50 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: but these few, uh, iwakan, sort of made me wonder
[2015-05-22 11:39:55 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: if the author was just making a convenient setting
[2015-05-22 11:40:03 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: or if he really didnt know anything about combat outside of modern kendo
[2015-05-22 11:40:07 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': But by just having people think about that
[2015-05-22 11:40:10 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': and take it for granted
[2015-05-22 11:40:15 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': are nice skillz xD
[2015-05-22 11:40:22 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: haha
[2015-05-22 11:40:28 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Like, his job is done when he achieves that
[2015-05-22 11:40:34 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: yeah
[2015-05-22 11:40:39 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: dude got published
[2015-05-22 11:40:40 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: so mn
[2015-05-22 11:40:48 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: premise is fun enough
[2015-05-22 11:40:54 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Also, if I quote my IRL friend who I never try to argue with about fantasy things
[2015-05-22 11:41:02 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': "It's fantasy, things work differently there."
[2015-05-22 11:41:04 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: ^
[2015-05-22 11:41:10 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Uses that for every fucking discussion
[2015-05-22 11:41:16 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Yeah, no, logic works different there.
[2015-05-22 11:41:18 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: well, there very well COULD be a culture of non-shield non-defensive ignorant people
[2015-05-22 11:41:20 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Different universe
[2015-05-22 11:41:21 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': OH
[2015-05-22 11:41:26 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: if their main survival threat
[2015-05-22 11:41:26 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': IKR xD
[2015-05-22 11:41:29 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: were huge monsters
[2015-05-22 11:41:31 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: and they had magic and shit
[2015-05-22 11:41:37 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: maybe they need one hand to fire magic
[2015-05-22 11:41:38 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: who knows
[2015-05-22 11:41:45 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Yup, then it's logical they don't have knights with big shields and heavy armor
[2015-05-22 11:41:53 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: mn
[2015-05-22 11:41:57 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: unless you build a fortress aorund yourself
[2015-05-22 11:41:58 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Because they would just get bombarded and their armour would be useless then
[2015-05-22 11:42:05 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: doubt it'd help from giant monster attack either
[2015-05-22 11:42:53 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': SWAT
[2015-05-22 11:42:57 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Splatter
[2015-05-22 11:42:59 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: lol
[2015-05-22 11:43:00 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Knight down
[2015-05-22 11:43:07 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: armour dented like a soda can
[2015-05-22 11:43:25 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: ah, but yeah, was just asking you what you thought
[2015-05-22 11:43:27 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: when i was reading that
[2015-05-22 11:43:31 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: i felt a little uncomfortable
[2015-05-22 11:43:39 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: since modern kendo techniques would probably be some of the worse to use
[2015-05-22 11:43:42 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: in an actual fantasy world
[2015-05-22 11:43:47 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: unless, you know
[2015-05-22 11:43:48 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': I forgot what it said exactly, and how the knights were explained
[2015-05-22 11:43:51 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: everone was wearing leather armour and robes
[2015-05-22 11:43:53 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Hmmm
[2015-05-22 11:43:57 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Yes, kendo techniques
[2015-05-22 11:43:59 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': But he practised
[2015-05-22 11:44:02 AM | Edited 11:44:08 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: japanese lamellar armour is not very good
[2015-05-22 11:44:03 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': kenjutsu right?
[2015-05-22 11:44:08 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Iaido at least?
[2015-05-22 11:44:15 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: yeah, but i mean the author lol
[2015-05-22 11:44:20 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: and tbh, most kenjutsu styles
[2015-05-22 11:44:28 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: come from 3 or 4 styles from around 1500
[2015-05-22 11:44:33 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: and evolved into duelling styles
[2015-05-22 11:44:36 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: like italian rapier
[2015-05-22 11:44:40 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: so they werne't exactly war arts anyway
[2015-05-22 11:44:43 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': True, but if he had an awesome master etc.
[2015-05-22 11:44:46 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: well yeah
[2015-05-22 11:44:50 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': At least, that's how I rationalized it again
[2015-05-22 11:44:54 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': it isn't explained
[2015-05-22 11:44:54 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: mmn
[2015-05-22 11:44:56 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': so I make it work
[2015-05-22 11:45:01 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: ah, not to say kenjutsu is worse than war styles lol
[2015-05-22 11:45:07 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: just that, you know, they each have their context
[2015-05-22 11:45:11 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Otherwise I'd probably get depressed after reading novels mentioning martial arts
[2015-05-22 11:45:13 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': Ah, I know
[2015-05-22 11:45:16 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: let's see you go short sword and buckler
[2015-05-22 11:45:17 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': But he makes it work in the fantasy work
[2015-05-22 11:45:18 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: without a buckler
[2015-05-22 11:45:21 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: and wearing a kimono
[2015-05-22 11:45:21 AM] Dunbalf Gandadore o.o: lol
[2015-05-22 11:45:24 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': So I rationalize how it works then
[2015-05-22 11:45:25 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': there*
[2015-05-22 11:45:26 AM] Matt 'Tensaiz': True xD