10:06 PM - the black hand of sauron: b4 u go
10:06 PM - the black hand of sauron: i need ur help
10:06 PM - nite: what with
10:07 PM - the black hand of sauron: im getting severely worn out by the lack of imporvement lmao
10:07 PM - nite: well thats life
10:07 PM - the black hand of sauron: moreso the lack of a desire
10:07 PM - the black hand of sauron: it seems
10:07 PM - the black hand of sauron: like
10:07 PM - the black hand of sauron: whenever i tell squid anything he seems to get upset about it, but whenever i ALSO talk about 'how could we do this better' he is consistently completely quiet
10:07 PM - nite: yeah i agree
10:07 PM - the black hand of sauron: no suggestions whatsoever
10:07 PM - the black hand of sauron: to improve
10:07 PM - the black hand of sauron: its a mystery lol
10:07 PM - nite: i think he does a really bad job maincalling
10:08 PM - nite: with any real clarity
10:08 PM - the black hand of sauron: i fear im reaching my wits end w/ this shit
10:08 PM - nite: i think our pushes work best when you are calling them so i think we should just have squid be a fat guy who stands in front of you while you call
10:09 PM - nite: for pushes specifically
10:09 PM - the black hand of sauron: well when i call he doesnt listen or people doubt me lmao
10:09 PM - nite: yeah
10:09 PM - the black hand of sauron: which is another matter
10:09 PM - the black hand of sauron: itself
10:09 PM - nite: yeah idk what to do really
10:09 PM - nite: im gettin sort of worn out also
10:09 PM - nite: seems like its very basic stuff getting done wrong
10:10 PM - nite: and i dont have the raw dm to carry myself on flank when shit is going wrong elsewhere
10:10 PM - the black hand of sauron: ya
10:10 PM - the black hand of sauron: like the fact that we struggle with spamming entrances and not dying
10:10 PM - the black hand of sauron: that just...consistently blows me away
10:10 PM - the black hand of sauron: everytime it happens
10:10 PM - the black hand of sauron: my brain just dies for a sec
10:10 PM - the black hand of sauron: like
10:10 PM - the black hand of sauron: tf2center people never have a problem with that
10:10 PM - the black hand of sauron: i honestly dont get it lol
10:11 PM - nite: i think the craziest thing to me was when we were on last and i was literally the only person calling where they were coming or if people were sacing from somewhere
10:11 PM - nite: unless i was dead, then the call would get made 3 seconds later
10:11 PM - nite: but like how do you not hear that as another class and think "ok im just going to watch this entrance then so we dont have that issue"
10:12 PM - nite: after its been said like 4 times in 30 minutes
10:12 PM - nite: or more
10:12 PM - nite: idk doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me
10:12 PM - nite: i do think squid is the core of our issues to a certain extent but there are probably issues elsewhere too
10:13 PM - nite: its just harder to notice them when he is so plainly not paying attention
10:13 PM - nite: like when people sac and it takes him a solid 3-5 seconds to turn around or even start looking for the person after they get called
10:13 PM - the black hand of sauron: is it gonna be another tery season lmao
10:13 PM - the black hand of sauron: i fear
10:14 PM - nite: i think i was the only person really opposed to squid when we were trying out but everyone else wanted him but he seemed sort of absent minded even then
10:14 PM - the black hand of sauron: i mean our options were like
10:14 PM - the black hand of sauron: not very good
10:14 PM - nite: yeah thats true
10:14 PM - the black hand of sauron: there are very few pocket mains that would want to paly for us
10:14 PM - the black hand of sauron: viper
10:14 PM - the black hand of sauron: milan
10:14 PM - nite: viper (puke)
10:14 PM - the black hand of sauron: both would be horrendous
10:14 PM - the black hand of sauron: even worse
10:14 PM - nite: milan (ugh)
10:14 PM - the black hand of sauron: id wager
10:14 PM - nite: yeah i think they would be better pockets but way way worse to be on a team with
10:15 PM - nite: maybe not milan
10:15 PM - nite: milan not being a better pocket i mean
10:15 PM - the black hand of sauron: idk what to do
10:15 PM - the black hand of sauron: im trying my darndest to not be mean
10:15 PM - the black hand of sauron: and to say things like a nice boy
10:15 PM - the black hand of sauron: but like
10:15 PM - nite: yeah you are doing a good job for sure
10:15 PM - the black hand of sauron: week after week
10:15 PM - the black hand of sauron: same bullshit
10:15 PM - the black hand of sauron: lol
10:15 PM - the black hand of sauron: i dont want another tery
10:15 PM - nite: i am frustrated too
10:15 PM - nite: i dont really know what to do
10:16 PM - the black hand of sauron: i am worried this may burn me out of the game
10:16 PM - the black hand of sauron: if this bs keeps up
10:16 PM - nite: ive been trying to be extra vocal about when people are bombing and stuff to make him pay more attention but it doesnt seem to matter
10:16 PM - nite: yeah i think after this season i might be taking a long break from tf2
10:16 PM - nite: like 2 seasons at least
10:16 PM - nite: and seeing if its still alive after that
10:17 PM - the black hand of sauron: hedge frustrates me too man, as much as i hate to say that
10:17 PM - the black hand of sauron: you werent there for this but
10:17 PM - the black hand of sauron: i asked him if he would be open to getting a demo mentor, say invite or something. im friends w pelt & sigh so i could very EASILY get one of them to do it
10:17 PM - the black hand of sauron: and he said
10:17 PM - the black hand of sauron: 'no i just need to get better
10:17 PM - the black hand of sauron: so i asked how
10:17 PM - nite: lol
10:17 PM - the black hand of sauron: and he said 'idk im just gonna get better'
10:18 PM - the black hand of sauron: and i really didnt kno what 2 say to that
10:18 PM - the black hand of sauron: lol
10:18 PM - nite: i think up until now he has had such retard good dm that he could just do whatever
10:18 PM - nite: ive been struggling with that this season so far for sure like not just being able to beat people anymore
10:18 PM - the black hand of sauron: ya open n IM are unhealthily different
10:19 PM - nite: and now he has all these bad habits that dont matter at all in open but fuck him really bad in im
10:19 PM - nite: but hedge is not going to change just let him do his thing
10:19 PM - nite: usually he works through stuff on his own decently, and you cant really convince him to do stuff in other ways
10:19 PM - the black hand of sauron: i guess
10:20 PM - the black hand of sauron: like...thgeres no change week to week
10:20 PM - the black hand of sauron: and ive tried to use my input to change that
10:20 PM - the black hand of sauron: but its not helping bcus i cant...change people
10:21 PM - nite: yeah like i said idk what to do either we're definitely in an awkward spot
10:21 PM - the black hand of sauron: but
10:21 PM - the black hand of sauron: aty the same time
10:21 PM - the black hand of sauron: while this sounds rather narcassistic
10:22 PM - the black hand of sauron: i think if i just decided 2 leave the team...you guys would pry not make it lmao
10:22 PM - the black hand of sauron: there are 0 meds lft and i would feel very terribly
10:22 PM - the black hand of sauron: if it just went 2 shit cus of me
10:22 PM - the black hand of sauron: leaving or ssmth
10:22 PM - nite: yeah its not narcissism as much as just even decent meds are hard to find especially so soon before the season starts
10:23 PM - the black hand of sauron: but i can only take so much shit and being like 'hey could we change this' w/ it being ignored before im just done
10:23 PM - the black hand of sauron: ive suggested so much that has just fell by the wayside its just so fucking aggrivating lmao
10:24 PM - the black hand of sauron: like i tell rol he needs to not die for his sentry asa  rule of thumb and he ARGUES WITH ME
10:24 PM - nite: ya lol
10:24 PM - the black hand of sauron: like ive literally never met anyone who would even question that shit
10:24 PM - the black hand of sauron: its so fucking obvious
10:24 PM - the black hand of sauron: it just blows me away we are in IM
10:24 PM - nite: yeah its definitely unbelievable
10:25 PM - nite: i think my 2-4 wins prediction might be an overestimate
10:25 PM - the black hand of sauron: i just want 1 honestly lol
10:25 PM - nite: we'll get one if we last that long
10:25 PM - the black hand of sauron: ;pp
10:26 PM - nite: whymeo is weird i feel like she is really good but you have to micro her super hard for her to do the right stuff
10:26 PM - the black hand of sauron: im scared to be mean to her because i have this latent fear she is capable of leaving us and finding a better team
10:26 PM - the black hand of sauron: (because she is very much so)
10:26 PM - nite: almost definitely true
10:26 PM - the black hand of sauron: and thats another point to make -- if we keep up the horrorfest we may lose her lmao
10:27 PM - the black hand of sauron: thats realistic asf
10:27 PM - nite: but like she was confused at the idea that she shouldnt sit in lobby with the combo when we are stalemated on their 2
10:27 PM - nite: which is like ?
10:27 PM - nite: how are you this good and you think its ok that you just sit around doing nothing for a few minutes while other people do their stuff
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: squid has
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: 6k hours
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: and 5 FULL seasons of open
10:28 PM - nite: ya that is a mystery
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: and he cant
10:28 PM - nite: wtf
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: make a call regarding sacs
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: like
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: idk lol
10:28 PM - nite: has he ever played im before this season
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: no
10:28 PM - the black hand of sauron: all 5 open seasons
10:28 PM - nite: ok but still 5 seasons
10:29 PM - nite: i feel like people who cap out in open like that probably just cant get better or are doing something fundementally wrong in trying to improve
10:29 PM - the black hand of sauron: its honestly like im living in the twilight zone
10:29 PM - nite: like at 6k hours and 2 years playing comp tf2 you should be moving up or you are fucking up big time
10:29 PM - nite: and hes arguably the worst player on the team
10:30 PM - the black hand of sauron: :(
10:30 PM - the black hand of sauron: this makes me so sads
10:30 PM - the black hand of sauron: ugh