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  1. [13:08:18] |raw|<div class="broadcast-red"><b>Moderated chat was set to +!</b><br />Only users of rank + and higher can talk.</div>
  2. [13:08:19] %Ana1ytic: n_n
  3. [13:08:29] %Team Pokepals: 1st team is http://pastebin.com/AjKc2B2q by LOD hibris
  4. [13:08:37] LOD hibris was promoted to Room Voice by Eyan.
  5. [13:09:06] %Albacore: looks pretty good actually
  6. [13:09:17] %Albacore: but really bisharp-weak
  7. [13:09:24] %Ana1ytic: Hibris you there?
  8. [13:09:29] +LOD hibris: yes
  9. [13:09:38] %Albacore: i don't think keld>mana sacreifices much
  10. [13:09:43] %Albacore: *sacrifices
  11. [13:09:48] %Ana1ytic: Yeah not at all
  12. [13:09:57] %Albacore: though i guess slowbro can be a tad annoying?
  13. [13:10:03] %Albacore: you can run specs hp elec or bug i guess
  14. [13:10:13] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  15. [13:10:17] %Albacore: metagross should really run hammer arm
  16. [13:10:22] %Albacore: probably over ice punch
  17. [13:10:30] %Albacore: since otehrwise it's walled by steels
  18. [13:10:55] %Albacore: and yeah specs hp elec on keld helps lure slowbro for it
  19. [13:11:02] %Albacore: and in return mmeta traps latis
  20. [13:11:14] %Ana1ytic: Team looks really weak to M-Manectric+Weavile, but the team archetype is such
  21. [13:11:15] %Albacore: or hp bug idk which works best on tha tteam
  22. [13:11:21] %Ana1ytic: How about
  23. [13:11:25] %Ana1ytic: Yache Lando
  24. [13:11:26] %Albacore: keld halps vs weavile too
  25. [13:11:31] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  26. [13:11:32] %Albacore: *helps
  27. [13:11:35] %DennisEG: or change lando-t to Tank chomp, having priority t-wave is ok for set up mons like zard x
  28. [13:11:41] %Albacore: mman in general is a pain yeah
  29. [13:12:05] %Ana1ytic: iirc
  30. [13:12:07] %Albacore: maybe hippo>lando-t if tha tbecomes a problem
  31. [13:12:14] %Ana1ytic: Nah
  32. [13:12:15] %Albacore: also helps vs bish if keld isnt enough
  33. [13:12:19] %Ana1ytic: Its HO lol
  34. [13:12:26] %Albacore: yeah true
  35. [13:12:37] %Albacore: well, probably more bulky offense?
  36. [13:12:38] %Ana1ytic: Hmm
  37. [13:12:57] %Albacore: roost on latias helps vs mman
  38. [13:12:58] %DennisEG: seem very offensive to me
  39. [13:13:01] %Albacore: and opposing keld
  40. [13:13:04] %Ana1ytic: Mhm
  41. [13:13:07] %Ana1ytic: CharY too
  42. [13:13:15] %DennisEG: tankchomp > lando t , or keldeo> mana
  43. [13:13:34] %DennisEG: both ways solve and reliebe a lil bit the bish weakness
  44. [13:13:38] %Albacore: imo keld is needed for weavile at least
  45. [13:13:55] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  46. [13:14:04] %Ana1ytic: Keldeo also helps vs Bisharp
  47. [13:14:05] %Team Pokepals: we need keldeo for bisharp imo
  48. [13:14:09] %Albacore: tankchomp w/ some SpD EVs can take hp ice from mman so thats helpful
  49. [13:14:13] %Team Pokepals: cause lando-t gives it the defieant boost
  50. [13:14:18] %Ana1ytic: Right
  51. [13:14:21] %Ana1ytic: Alba
  52. [13:14:29] %Ana1ytic: That seems like a nice suggestiom
  53. [13:15:06] %Team Pokepals: is it the spread with 76 SpD EVs?
  54. [13:15:11] %Team Pokepals: or something like that
  55. [13:15:17] %Ana1ytic: Yeah iirc
  56. [13:15:19] %DennisEG: max hp lives 1 hp ice
  57. [13:15:28] %DennisEG: without spdef investment
  58. [13:16:34] %DennisEG: also i think BP > Ice punch on mega gross cuz is very weak to diacie
  59. [13:16:41] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  60. [13:16:41] %DennisEG: and can help with weav too
  61. [13:16:44] %Team Pokepals: there's enough ice attacks imo
  62. [13:16:44] %Albacore: doesnt meta need hammer arm
  63. [13:16:50] %Albacore: for steels in general
  64. [13:17:00] %Albacore: in any case you dont need ice punch
  65. [13:17:00] %DennisEG: over pursuit could be
  66. [13:17:03] %Team Pokepals: well
  67. [13:17:10] %Team Pokepals: we're running Keldeo, right?
  68. [13:17:16] %Albacore: pursuit helps keld i guess
  69. [13:17:16] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  70. [13:18:11] %Ana1ytic: So far we've got, Garchomp>Landorus, Keldeo>Manaphy
  71. [13:18:17] %Team Pokepals: I think so
  72. [13:18:18] %Albacore: mmeta def needs hammer arm for tran if anything
  73. [13:18:25] %Albacore: b/c that thing can get annoying real fast
  74. [13:18:29] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  75. [13:18:33] %Ana1ytic: Or
  76. [13:18:36] %Albacore: if it statuses keld and chomp/lando
  77. [13:18:40] %Team Pokepals: EQ?
  78. [13:18:57] %Ana1ytic: We can even try HP Ground Volcarona
  79. [13:19:03] %Team Pokepals: that's a good lure imo
  80. [13:19:06] %Albacore: i was thinking the same thing
  81. [13:19:11] %Albacore: b/c mmeat can trap latis
  82. [13:19:14] %Albacore: *mmeta
  83. [13:19:21] %Albacore: though ttar can be annoying
  84. [13:19:34] %Albacore: esp since sand rus hexca can be scary
  85. [13:19:37] %Albacore: *exca
  86. [13:19:44] %Albacore: thats one downside of running chomp
  87. [13:20:24] %Team Pokepals: just found out he actually wanted this team rated http://pastebin.com/uVD8CURJ
  88. [13:20:43] %Albacore: lol so we were rating the wrong team all this time ?
  89. [13:21:02] %Team Pokepals: yeah...
  90. [13:21:07] %DennisEG: sigh
  91. [13:21:10] %Ana1ytic: Damn
  92. [13:21:29] %Team Pokepals: we made some fast progress, so let's keep up this pace and make up for lost time :)
  93. [13:21:36] %Albacore: anyway i think me might be pretty much done?
  94. [13:21:47] %Team Pokepals: with the other team? I agree
  95. [13:21:52] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  96. [13:22:00] %Albacore: do we go wth chomp or lando though
  97. [13:22:08] %Ana1ytic: Um
  98. [13:22:15] %Ana1ytic: Chomp
  99. [13:22:20] %Ana1ytic: Imo
  100. [13:22:37] %Albacore: another thing we can do is have lando and then maybe raikou>thundy for elecs
  101. [13:22:44] %Albacore: but we lose prio twave
  102. [13:22:55] %DennisEG: the new team, in terms of set, only Quick Atck >fire punch, max speed on torn, hp ice/electric on keldeo and make spedef scizor
  103. [13:22:58] %Albacore: (lando>chomp in this case for xzard)
  104. [13:23:10] %Albacore: and sand kinda
  105. [13:23:18] %Ana1ytic: Team also looks weak to M-Lopunny
  106. [13:23:21] %Ana1ytic: The new one
  107. [13:23:30] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  108. [13:23:33] %Albacore: chomp helps vs that yeah
  109. [13:23:45] %Team Pokepals: also mega man looks pretty threatening
  110. [13:24:00] %Albacore: yeah which is why i suggested raikou
  111. [13:24:04] %Ana1ytic: I feel like Rotom-W and Scizor have just been thrown on there
  112. [13:24:19] %Ana1ytic: Look like misfits to me
  113. [13:25:07] %Ana1ytic: Lets start over with Keldeo/Tornadus-T/M-Diancie/Diggersby
  114. [13:25:16] %Albacore: clef looks very threatening
  115. [13:25:17] %Albacore: flamethrower clef specifically
  116. [13:25:22] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  117. [13:25:52] %Team Pokepals: Heatran can check Clef with Flamethrower as well as mega manectric
  118. [13:26:02] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  119. [13:26:23] %Ana1ytic: How about ScarfTran and TankChomp for last two slots?
  120. [13:26:57] %Ana1ytic: Guys?
  121. [13:27:04] %Team Pokepals: he already has scarf keldeo tho
  122. [13:27:14] %Albacore: twave clef is still a pain
  123. [13:27:34] %Ana1ytic: We can make Keldeo Specs to wallbreak
  124. [13:27:35] %DennisEG: yeah you need zor
  125. [13:27:37] %DennisEG: imo
  126. [13:27:41] %Albacore: maybe talonflame+hazard remover
  127. [13:27:49] %Ana1ytic: Latios?
  128. [13:28:13] %Team Pokepals: imo killing Mega Slowbro looks a little hard for him
  129. [13:28:14] %DennisEG: i like Scizor/Ferrothorn/Forretress for one spot
  130. [13:28:19] %Albacore: hm nvm if we do that we dont have a SRer
  131. [13:28:25] %Ana1ytic: Yea
  132. [13:28:28] %Albacore: ferro works
  133. [13:28:30] %DennisEG: forre give you spin + volt siwthc and complete the volt turn core
  134. [13:28:36] %Team Pokepals: Ferro can help with mega bro too
  135. [13:28:48] %Albacore: and now a lop counter
  136. [13:29:01] %Albacore: that also checks flamethrower clef
  137. [13:29:06] %DennisEG: Forre + Loom i like those two for last slots
  138. [13:29:46] %Ana1ytic: Hmm
  139. [13:29:51] %Team Pokepals: don't those 2 just die to flamethowr?
  140. [13:30:00] %Team Pokepals: how about Amoonguss?
  141. [13:30:01] %Albacore: yeah i dont think anything beats lop+clef
  142. [13:30:07] %Ana1ytic: Amoonguss
  143. [13:30:08] %Albacore: besides amoon
  144. [13:30:10] %Ana1ytic: On HO
  145. [13:30:11] %Ana1ytic: Nah
  146. [13:30:13] %Team Pokepals: lol
  147. [13:30:35] %Albacore: or like, reuniclus
  148. [13:31:22] %Albacore: does OU not have any viable poisons
  149. [13:31:31] %Team Pokepals: besides Gengar and Mega Venusaur?
  150. [13:31:54] %Albacore: phys def nidoqueen? idk
  151. [13:32:42] %Ana1ytic: Reuniclus
  152. [13:32:42] %Albacore: or unaware Cm clef
  153. [13:32:45] %Ana1ytic: Sounds nice
  154. [13:33:02] %Team Pokepals: clef could work
  155. [13:33:16] %Team Pokepals: unaware clef with calm mind beats mega slowbro 1v1 as well
  156. [13:33:21] %Ana1ytic: Yeah either could
  157. [13:33:49] %DennisEG: or Nidoking
  158. [13:34:01] %Team Pokepals: so we have mega diancie, torn-t, keldeo, diggersby, ferro and clef/something else?
  159. [13:34:04] %Ana1ytic: So specs Keldeo/AV Tornadus-T/LO Diggersby/M-Diancie/Unaware CM Clefable
  160. [13:34:08] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  161. [13:34:22] %Albacore: elecs can be a tad annoying
  162. [13:34:38] %Albacore: though ferro handles raikou
  163. [13:34:41] %Team Pokepals: mega man still presents a big problem
  164. [13:34:45] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  165. [13:34:57] %Ana1ytic: Clefable should solve that though
  166. [13:35:04] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  167. [13:35:07] %Albacore: mma ncan be played around
  168. [13:35:09] %Albacore: *can
  169. [13:35:10] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  170. [13:35:44] %Ana1ytic: LOD Hibris
  171. [13:35:49] +LOD hibris: yes?
  172. [13:35:54] %Ana1ytic: Sounds good?
  173. [13:36:02] %DennisEG: i think clef is way to passive, maybe AV PuP azu over clef
  174. [13:36:09] %DennisEG: and something like scarf lando-t
  175. [13:36:11] %Ana1ytic: I wanna hear your opinions
  176. [13:36:15] %DennisEG: for electric types
  177. [13:36:18] %Albacore: idk if azu is reliable enough vs lop
  178. [13:36:23] %Ana1ytic: Hmm
  179. [13:36:39] %Albacore: maybe SpD gliscor
  180. [13:36:42] %Albacore: but ice punch
  181. [13:36:46] %Team Pokepals: doesn't ice punch 2HKO?
  182. [13:36:54] %Albacore: or taunt mew
  183. [13:36:59] %Ana1ytic: Mew
  184. [13:37:00] %Albacore: actualy that doesnt sound too bad
  185. [13:37:03] %Ana1ytic: Is so good rn
  186. [13:37:04] %Team Pokepals: what about SpD Talonflame?
  187. [13:37:08] %Ana1ytic: Mew
  188. [13:37:10] %Team Pokepals: or mew with a similar set
  189. [13:37:12] %Ana1ytic: Sounds better
  190. [13:37:19] %Albacore: we nneed hazard removal for talon
  191. [13:37:21] %Albacore: *need
  192. [13:37:23] %Team Pokepals: that's true
  193. [13:37:25] %Ana1ytic: And Latios in the last
  194. [13:37:27] %Ana1ytic: Slot
  195. [13:37:33] %Ana1ytic: For CharY and Keldeo
  196. [13:37:36] %Team Pokepals: over ferro?
  197. [13:37:42] %Albacore: dont we just lose to fairies then
  198. [13:37:44] %Team Pokepals: atm the team gets hammered by Zard Y
  199. [13:37:48] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  200. [13:37:48] %Albacore: true
  201. [13:38:25] %Albacore: i cant' help but think mvanu fits really well on here but we've already got a mega
  202. [13:38:29] %Albacore: *venu
  203. [13:38:34] %DennisEG: keep in mind that the team is very offensive
  204. [13:38:36] %Team Pokepals: also, Latias can check mega man as well
  205. [13:40:12] %Albacore: mew sorta deals w/ mman
  206. [13:40:25] %Team Pokepals: it could defog too if we need it
  207. [13:40:43] %Albacore: defog mew+talon as fairykiller?
  208. [13:40:48] %Albacore: but then we need a rocker
  209. [13:40:56] %Albacore: and opposing diancie is a problem
  210. [13:40:59] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  211. [13:41:20] %DennisEG: that's Forretress fit in the roll
  212. [13:41:40] %DennisEG: forre + mew
  213. [13:41:43] %Albacore: can we replace diggers for hippo
  214. [13:41:56] %Albacore: torn-t / keld / diancie / hippo / talon / mew
  215. [13:42:08] %Albacore: or latios actually> mew
  216. [13:42:18] %Ana1ytic: Lod hibris
  217. [13:42:19] %Albacore: since we dont need it to check clef
  218. [13:42:22] %Ana1ytic: Opinions
  219. [13:42:23] %DennisEG: i think we are in the wrong way, the team is nearly HO
  220. [13:42:25] %Ana1ytic: ?
  221. [13:42:28] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  222. [13:42:30] %DennisEG: hippo make it way to balance
  223. [13:42:36] %Ana1ytic: I don't like it either
  224. [13:42:42] %Albacore: y but i dont think we can cover everything w/o making it balance
  225. [13:42:42] %Ana1ytic: But
  226. [13:42:52] %Ana1ytic: It does work yeah
  227. [13:43:04] %DennisEG: that's the thing we just need check in offense
  228. [13:43:13] %DennisEG: we dont need switch ins necessarily
  229. [13:43:16] %Albacore: torn-t / keld / diancie / talon / latio / chomp
  230. [13:43:17] %Albacore: ?
  231. [13:43:25] %Team Pokepals: tank chomp with endure?
  232. [13:43:32] %Albacore: or lando-t>chomp
  233. [13:43:34] %Albacore: maybe
  234. [13:43:44] %Albacore: but i dont feel confortable changing 50% of the tteam
  235. [13:43:57] %Team Pokepals: LOD hibris you there?
  236. [13:44:20] %DennisEG: torn/diancie/kelde/digger/latias/loom
  237. [13:44:24] +Sonired: hello
  238. [13:44:29] %Team Pokepals: hey Sonired
  239. [13:44:40] +Sonired: hi pokepals :)
  240. [13:44:41] +LOD hibris: yes i am thinking
  241. [13:44:44] %Albacore: Sonired save us
  242. [13:44:50] %DennisEG: LO digger + LO loom sould check clef
  243. [13:44:55] +Sonired: yep alba
  244. [13:44:56] %DennisEG: or some steel > loom
  245. [13:44:58] %Albacore: DennisEG that variant needs a fairy resist pronto
  246. [13:45:02] +Sonired: that'll probably be the last time you say that lol
  247. [13:45:14] +Sonired: wtf
  248. [13:45:20] %Team Pokepals: Breloom can help with sand offense too
  249. [13:45:21] +Sonired: i can't even scroll up to get the pastebin
  250. [13:45:21] +Sonired: lol
  251. [13:45:26] +Sonired: can someone send it to me pls
  252. [13:45:33] %Albacore: http://pastebin.com/uVD8CURJ
  253. [13:45:42] %Team Pokepals: we took off scizor and rotom-w
  254. [13:45:42] %Albacore: we had to take some liberties
  255. [13:45:54] +Sonired: yes...
  256. [13:45:57] +Sonired: and replace them with?
  257. [13:46:05] %Albacore: we still dont really know
  258. [13:46:14] +Sonired: lol k
  259. [13:46:30] +Sonired: team looks like it can get destroyed by mega altaria at any minute
  260. [13:46:42] +Sonired: oh there's a diancie
  261. [13:46:54] %Albacore: i stand by something like torn-t / keld / diancie / talon / latios / lando-t
  262. [13:47:03] %Ana1ytic: Yeah sounds good to me
  263. [13:47:09] +Sonired: yeah i think you need a talon there
  264. [13:47:16] %Ana1ytic: We
  265. [13:47:18] %Team Pokepals: yeah talonflame can handle zard y and mega alt
  266. [13:47:21] %Ana1ytic: Have one
  267. [13:47:22] +Sonired: and lat@s to defog stuff away
  268. [13:47:32] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  269. [13:47:32] +Sonired: although
  270. [13:47:39] %Albacore: i still dont like how different it is from the original team
  271. [13:47:41] +Sonired: thundurus-t looks like it can pressure this team really hard
  272. [13:47:45] +Sonired: thundurs*
  273. [13:47:48] +Sonired: np thundy
  274. [13:48:16] %Albacore: well its kidna uncommon so eh
  275. [13:48:22] %Albacore: oh thundy-i nvm
  276. [13:48:26] +Sonired: lol
  277. [13:48:35] %Albacore: y thats true, thundys a problem
  278. [13:48:39] +Sonired: ofc it's thundy-i
  279. [13:48:42] +Sonired: yeah
  280. [13:48:42] %Albacore: elecs in general are a pain
  281. [13:48:49] +Sonired: maybe latias can handle thundy i a bit better
  282. [13:48:54] +Sonired: with the bulkier defog spread
  283. [13:48:57] %Team Pokepals: are we keeping scarf keldeo? or going to specs?
  284. [13:49:03] %Ana1ytic: Specs
  285. [13:49:07] %Ana1ytic: Imo
  286. [13:49:21] +Sonired: i suppose scarf
  287. [13:49:31] +Sonired: can put some amount of pressure on thundy-i
  288. [13:49:46] %Team Pokepals: we don't have a setup sweeper anymore
  289. [13:50:10] %Team Pokepals: also, I just realized that protect on diancie might be enough for mega lop, since it gives it 50% due to the HJK miss
  290. [13:50:11] %Albacore: talon's a setup sweeper
  291. [13:50:27] %Team Pokepals: bulk up?
  292. [13:50:53] %Albacore: or just SD tbh
  293. [13:51:04] %Ana1ytic: We good?
  294. [13:51:08] +Sonired: bulk up is cool against alt
  295. [13:51:12] %Ana1ytic: Mhm
  296. [13:51:17] +Sonired: wispy bulky
  297. [13:51:31] %Ana1ytic: Hibris
  298. [13:51:41] %Ana1ytic: Looks good yeah?
  299. [13:51:42] +Sonired: !learn Tornadus-Therian, Thunder Wave
  300. [13:51:42] Tornadus-Therian can't learn Thunder Wave
  301. [13:51:48] +Sonired: i know it's assault vest
  302. [13:51:51] %Team Pokepals: it wouldn't work with that av
  303. [13:51:56] %Ana1ytic: Anyone wanna add any final thots/comments?
  304. [13:51:56] +Sonired: ik
  305. [13:51:57] +Sonired: lol
  306. [13:51:58] +LOD hibris: actually a liked
  307. [13:52:01] +LOD hibris: i
  308. [13:52:02] %Albacore: !learn tornadus-t, nuzzle
  309. [13:52:02] Tornadus-Therian can't learn Nuzzle
  310. [13:52:06] +Sonired: aww
  311. [13:52:17] +Sonired: !learn tornadus-t, zap cannon
  312. [13:52:17] Tornadus-Therian can't learn Zap Cannon
  313. [13:52:20] %Ana1ytic: Are we done with this team?
  314. [13:52:22] +Sonired: yeah fuckit it can't paralyse for shit
  315. [13:52:30] +Sonired: wait is anythgin running twave?
  316. [13:52:36] %Team Pokepals: I think we are for now at least, any objections?
  317. [13:52:40] %Ana1ytic: Should i post team 2
  318. [13:52:45] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  319. [13:52:45] +Sonired: team 2?
  320. [13:52:47] +Sonired: wow
  321. [13:52:48] %Team Pokepals: the next team
  322. [13:52:54] +Sonired: i thought it was the end lol
  323. [13:52:55] %Albacore: we messed up on the first team lol
  324. [13:52:59] +Sonired: lol
  325. [13:53:03] +Sonired: so you went to the extent
  326. [13:53:07] +Sonired: of asking me to save you
  327. [13:53:08] +Sonired: lol
  328. [13:53:11] %Ana1ytic: Thank you Hibris
  329. [13:53:15] %Ana1ytic: Eyan
  330. [13:53:18] %Ana1ytic: Devoice pls
  331. [13:53:28] (LOD hibris was demoted to Room regular user by Eyan.)
  332. [13:53:30] %Team Pokepals: and voice Jetflame too
  333. [13:53:35] Jetflame was promoted to Room Voice by Eyan.
  334. [13:53:35] %Ana1ytic: No
  335. [13:53:41] %Team Pokepals: isn't he next?
  336. [13:53:44] %Ana1ytic: No
  337. [13:53:44] @Eyan: lol
  338. [13:53:48] %Ana1ytic: Teal
  339. [13:53:48] +Sonired: oshit
  340. [13:53:49] (Jetflame was demoted to Room regular user by Eyan.)
  341. [13:53:54] %Ana1ytic: Is next
  342. [13:53:54] @Eyan: mbad then
  343. [13:54:10] %Ana1ytic: Lt3z teal
  344. [13:54:19] lt3z teal was promoted to Room Voice by Eyan.
  345. [13:54:25] %Ana1ytic: Hi teal
  346. [13:54:29] %Ana1ytic: You there?
  347. [13:54:38] +Sonired: lt3z teal
  348. [13:54:41] +Sonired: wake up pls :)
  349. [13:54:48] %Ana1ytic: Damn
  350. [13:54:56] %Ana1ytic: Devoice then
  351. [13:55:00] %Ana1ytic: :(
  352. [13:55:03] @Eyan: RIP teal
  353. [13:55:10] +Sonired: he's taking a nap
  354. [13:55:10] (lt3z teal was demoted to Room regular user by Eyan.)
  355. [13:55:12] %Ana1ytic: Jetflame
  356. [13:55:15] %Ana1ytic: Leggo
  357. [13:55:17] %Albacore: "The command '/slap' was unrecognized To send a message starting with '/slap', type '//slap'."
  358. [13:55:20] %Team Pokepals: Jetflame you there?
  359. [13:55:22] Jetflame was promoted to Room Voice by Eyan.
  360. [13:55:24] +Jetflame: Ya
  361. [13:55:28] %Team Pokepals: http://pastebin.com/5SFufe9K
  362. [13:55:58] +Sonired: deez sets
  363. [13:56:01] %Albacore: scarf > AV on mag
  364. [13:56:08] %Albacore: or specs maybe
  365. [13:56:12] %Albacore: since you arleady have scizor
  366. [13:56:22] +Sonired: specs probably
  367. [13:56:37] %Albacore: energy ball really isnt useful on latios
  368. [13:56:51] %Ana1ytic: Scarf imo on Magnezone
  369. [13:56:54] +Sonired: you're better off running roost in that spot
  370. [13:56:55] %Albacore: probably shuld run roost or coverage
  371. [13:57:00] %DennisEG: also you need t-wave > heal bell on clef
  372. [13:57:02] %Ana1ytic: Yeah
  373. [13:57:06] %DennisEG: or Flamethrwoer
  374. [13:57:10] +Sonired: so you have something that switches in to keldeo
  375. [13:57:16] %DennisEG: but having zone dont think so
  376. [13:57:43] +Sonired: tbh there's not a huge amount of fairies that threaten the team
  377. [13:57:44] %Ana1ytic: Alright guys i gtg
  378. [13:57:49] %Team Pokepals: if Magnezone dies, doesn't he just lose to another scizor?
  379. [13:57:50] %Ana1ytic: Cya :)
  380. [13:57:51] %DennisEG: a bit weak to magma tran
  381. [13:57:52] +Sonired: with zor
  382. [13:57:57] +Sonired: bye Ana1ytic
  383. [13:58:09] %Albacore: bish looks mildly threatening
  384. [13:58:18] %Albacore: so maybe hp fighting on latios idk
  385. [13:58:38] %Albacore: roost doesnt seem too necessary since you do have slowbro
  386. [13:58:56] %Team Pokepals: latios has to check zard y tho
  387. [13:59:14] %Albacore: true
  388. [13:59:28] +Sonired: and slowbro can get 2hko'd by keldeo iirc
  389. [14:00:09] %Albacore: also you need latios to swicth into venusaur more than once
  390. [14:00:12] %Albacore: so run roost
  391. [14:00:14] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  392. [14:01:14] +Sonired: i would personally run a bulkier spread on scizor
  393. [14:01:23] +Sonired: so it switches into bisharp easier
  394. [14:01:37] %Albacore: heatran can be a bit tricky to deal with
  395. [14:01:44] %Albacore: but twave on clef helps
  396. [14:02:02] %Team Pokepals: what if we ran Keldeo over Slowbro, and maybe even defensive Lando-t?
  397. [14:02:20] +Sonired: the team would be a little more xzard weak
  398. [14:02:29] +Sonired: although i guess that may be a bit easier if you run twave on clef
  399. [14:02:31] %Team Pokepals: but he has a defensive lando-t
  400. [14:02:36] %Albacore: that sounds okay
  401. [14:02:41] %Team Pokepals: you can take off rocks and add t-wave
  402. [14:02:47] %Albacore: twave+cm
  403. [14:02:54] +Sonired: oh right lando-t
  404. [14:02:55] %Team Pokepals: defensive lando-t so he has something to check sand
  405. [14:03:00] +Sonired: yea
  406. [14:03:11] %Albacore: weaker to talon i guess
  407. [14:03:24] +Jetflame: I have twave on slowbro should i switch it for something else
  408. [14:03:34] +Sonired: we swapping bro for keld
  409. [14:03:46] %Albacore: nah twave is fine on slowbro
  410. [14:03:58] +Sonired: wait so we aren't swapping bro for keld?
  411. [14:04:09] %Team Pokepals: I thought we were adding Keldeo?
  412. [14:04:12] %Albacore: yeah we are
  413. [14:04:55] %Albacore: so how do we stop volcarona
  414. [14:05:09] %Albacore: oh wait twave clef i guess
  415. [14:05:17] %Albacore: unless lum
  416. [14:05:18] +Sonired: you also got something to switch into bisharp with keldeo
  417. [14:05:25] %Albacore: maybe scarf keld then
  418. [14:05:33] %Albacore: so that it can revenge volc
  419. [14:05:43] %Team Pokepals: we could potentially put keldeo in for lando or slowbro, lando gives us rocks while slowbro gives t-wave
  420. [14:05:51] %Albacore: though you kinda play 50/50s with volc's items
  421. [14:06:18] %Albacore: nah i like keldoe, dark resist is neato
  422. [14:06:25] +Sonired: tbh
  423. [14:06:28] %Albacore: well, secondary dark resist
  424. [14:06:36] %Team Pokepals: dark + steel resist
  425. [14:06:48] +Sonired: if it's passho we got clef and if it's lum we got keldeo
  426. [14:06:59] %Albacore: yeah
  427. [14:07:09] %Team Pokepals: is that it then?
  428. [14:07:12] +Sonired: what about
  429. [14:07:19] %Albacore: i think so?
  430. [14:07:22] +Sonired: we run 24 spdef on lando-t
  431. [14:07:26] +Sonired: to live a +1 fire blast
  432. [14:07:39] +Jetflame: So a tank lando?
  433. [14:07:39] %Team Pokepals: so mega scizor, defensive lando-t, latios, keldeo, clefable and magnezone
  434. [14:07:42] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  435. [14:07:43] %Albacore: wait if we run phys def lando what about electrics
  436. [14:07:55] %Team Pokepals: we got clef?
  437. [14:07:59] %Albacore: i guess yeah
  438. [14:08:04] %Albacore: gotta be careful though
  439. [14:08:04] +Sonired: that seems a tiny bit mixed alt weak
  440. [14:08:12] %Team Pokepals: we got scizor
  441. [14:08:18] %Albacore: eh clef does okay vs that
  442. [14:08:23] %Team Pokepals: and scarfed magnezone too, right?
  443. [14:08:23] %Albacore: esp if twave
  444. [14:08:30] %Albacore: yup
  445. [14:08:51] +Sonired: latias could make electrics a bit less annoying
  446. [14:08:58] %Team Pokepals: Jetflame you got everything written down or mentally noted?
  447. [14:09:06] +Jetflame: Yes
  448. [14:09:11] +Jetflame: Thanks
  449. [14:09:14] +Jetflame: Alot
  450. [14:09:19] +Sonired: it's kwel
  451. [14:09:33] %Albacore: y roost latias
  452. [14:09:38] %Team Pokepals: helps with zard y
  453. [14:09:56] +Sonired: yeah exactly my thinking
  454. [14:10:01] %Team Pokepals: and it's also the main check to keldeo with slowbro gone
  455. [14:10:54] +Sonired: slowbro is a kinda iffy check to keldeo anyway on its own
  456. [14:10:59] %Team Pokepals: true
  457. [14:12:30] %Team Pokepals: Eyan can you devoice jetflame?
  458. [14:12:30] +Jetflame: Can magic guard clefable take a +2 acro from hawlucha?
  459. [14:12:43] %Albacore: so basically, phys def SR lando-t>scarf, scarf keldeo>slowbro, roost>eball on latias, and CM and Twave>heal bell and SR on clef
  460. [14:12:49] +Sonired: eats it up
  461. [14:12:51] %Albacore: and scarf on mag
  462. [14:12:54] +Sonired: +2 252 Atk Hawlucha Acrobatics (55 BP) vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 150-177 (38 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
  463. [14:12:57] %Albacore: anything i missed?
  464. [14:13:02] %Albacore: 55 BP
  465. [14:13:04] +Sonired: wait it does double that
  466. [14:13:04] +Jetflame: Thanks
  467. [14:13:06] %Albacore: nb
  468. [14:13:22] +Sonired: although adamant lucha probably does ohko it
  469. [14:13:25] +Sonired: can*
  470. [14:13:26] %Albacore: anyway hawlucha is really uncommon so i woulndt worry
  471. [14:13:37] %Team Pokepals: if you run bulky scizor
  472. [14:13:38] +Sonired: +2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 327-385 (82.9 - 97.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
  473. [14:13:39] %Albacore: *wouldn't
  474. [14:13:40] %Team Pokepals: it could probably take one
  475. [14:13:41] +Sonired: threatened
  476. [14:13:45] +Sonired: yeah scizor could
  477. [14:14:01] %Team Pokepals: bulky scizor can be another sand check if you really want it to be
  478. [14:14:24] +Sonired: bulky scizor does very well against a lot of stuff
  479. [14:14:35] +Sonired: like bisharp/weavile
  480. [14:14:38] %Team Pokepals: yeah
  481. [14:14:38] +Sonired: although we got keld
  482. [14:14:47] %Team Pokepals: and metagross
  483. [14:15:03] +Sonired: and megagross ye
  484. [14:15:06] %Team Pokepals: which kinda goes through most of your team if lando dies to ice punch
  485. [14:15:19] %Albacore: well mag can revenge i guess
  486. [14:15:22] %Albacore: but yeah
  487. [14:15:23] %DennisEG: yeah i'm here
  488. [14:15:31] %DennisEG: e.e
  489. [14:15:35] %Albacore: given the shape of the team bulky zor speems good
  490. [14:15:35] %Team Pokepals: sweet :)
  491. [14:15:41] %Albacore: also you dont need superpoer anymore w/ keldeo
  492. [14:15:48] %Albacore: or rather not as much
  493. [14:16:06] +Sonired: superpower keldeo
  494. [14:16:37] %Albacore: thats not what i meant -.-
  495. [14:17:18] +Sonired: ohh right
  496. [14:17:24] +Sonired: yeah i see what you meant
  497. [14:17:33] +Sonired: !learn Keldeo, Superpower
  498. [14:17:33] Keldeo can learn Superpower
  499. [14:17:47] +Sonired: lol
  500. [14:18:29] %Team Pokepals: we're done with that team, right?
  501. [14:18:37] +Sonired: yeah it looks solid
  502. [14:18:40] +Sonired: remind us of the changes?
  503. [14:18:53] +Sonired: keld > bro
  504. [14:19:03] +Sonired: sr lando > scarf lando
  505. [14:19:06] %Team Pokepals: bulky mega scizor, scarf magnezone
  506. [14:19:12] %Team Pokepals: and t-wave on clef over rocks
  507. [14:19:12] +Sonired: cm clef
  508. [14:19:14] +Sonired: too
  509. [14:19:19] +Sonired: yeah seems legit
  510. [14:19:20] %Albacore: scarf on mg
  511. [14:19:23] %Albacore: *mag
  512. [14:19:31] %Albacore: and twave on clef as well as CM
  513. [14:19:35] %Team Pokepals: and roost on latios
  514. [14:19:41] +Jetflame: Latios or latias?
  515. [14:19:45] +Sonired: weren't we running latias?
  516. [14:19:45] %Albacore: latias
  517. [14:19:48] %Team Pokepals: that one then
  518. [14:19:54] +Sonired: btw
  519. [14:19:54] %Albacore: and scarf on keldeo just to be clear
  520. [14:20:04] +Sonired: how much defense are we running on zor?
  521. [14:20:11] +Sonired: 16/44/60
  522. [14:20:35] %Team Pokepals: I think the standard bulky SD set might work?
  523. [14:20:52] %Albacore: the one with 176 SpD?
  524. [14:20:56] %Team Pokepals: I think so
  525. [14:20:59] +Sonired: oh
  526. [14:21:10] +Sonired: i was thinking 248 def/44 def/200 spdef
  527. [14:21:10] %Albacore: !analysis scizor
  528. [14:21:10] XY Scizor analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
  529. [14:21:18] +Sonired: well y that helps too lol
  530. [14:21:22] +Sonired: 248hp*
  531. [14:21:24] %Team Pokepals: which ever one has enough defense so Excadrill has to 3HKO
  532. [14:21:25] %Albacore: oh yeah it runs 200 now i guess
  533. [14:21:46] +Sonired: and 44 def has so that lopunny can 3hko too
  534. [14:21:46] %Albacore: yeah first spread
  535. [14:21:58] %Albacore: actually
  536. [14:22:28] %Albacore: nvm thats max / max
  537. [14:22:32] +Jetflame: Quick ques, what can i use to stop rain teams
  538. [14:22:41] %Albacore: which prolly isnt a great idea
  539. [14:23:03] %Albacore: scarf keldeo i guess checks most rain sweepers
  540. [14:23:17] %Albacore: well, it checks kabutops
  541. [14:23:26] +Sonired: scizor can do its share
  542. [14:23:42] +Jetflame: K thanks really helpful
  543. [14:23:55] %Team Pokepals: I think we'll have to end here since I gotta go :(
  544. [14:24:00] %Albacore: as for kingdra you can probably play round it w/ clef+latias
  545. [14:24:16] %Albacore: if you want i can host this
  546. [14:24:24] %Team Pokepals: I'd be cool with if you could
  547. [14:24:38] %Team Pokepals: it'd just be you and sonired tho
  548. [14:24:49] %Team Pokepals: and dennis*
  549. [14:25:05] %DennisEG: give us nex team
  550. [14:25:07] %Albacore: yeah that's fine
  551. [14:25:11] +Sonired: it's col
  552. [14:25:19] %Team Pokepals: http://pastebin.com/SybvpsPp by littlelucario
  553. [14:25:35] (Jetflame was demoted to Room regular user by Eyan.)
  554. [14:25:51] @Eyan: he's offline now
  555. [14:25:52] +Sonired: littlelucario was pm'ing me a second ago
  556. [14:25:54] +Sonired: he went offline
  557. [14:26:12] %Team Pokepals: so Aqua Dart you there?
  558. [14:26:14] %Team Pokepals: http://pastebin.com/d0PnsYnT
  559. [14:26:14] %Albacore: should we do the next one then?
  560. [14:26:21] Aqua Dart was promoted to Room Voice by Eyan.
  561. [14:26:30] +Sonired: Aqua Dart you there?
  562. [14:26:49] @Eyan: damn
  563. [14:26:52] +Sonired: omg man
  564. [14:27:40] %DennisEG: ok having sash mamo, mandi + rotom doesnt make sense
  565. [14:27:41] %Albacore: welp
  566. [14:28:17] +Sonired: am i missing something?
  567. [14:28:29] %Team Pokepals: anyways
  568. [14:28:30] +Sonired: User 'Aqua Dart' isn't on your ignore list.
  569. [14:28:36] %Team Pokepals: http://pastebin.com/eR82jFAB by twinkling
  570. [14:28:40] %Team Pokepals: and he's here
  571. [14:28:47] twinkling was promoted to Room Voice by Eyan.
  572. [14:28:47] +Aqua Dart: hi
  573. [14:28:48] +twinkling: hi
  574. [14:28:50] @Eyan: oh
  575. [14:28:52] @Eyan: damn
  576. [14:28:57] +Aqua Dart: sorry my parents needed me >_>
  577. [14:29:05] @Eyan: twinkling you mind holding off for a bit?
  578. [14:29:08] %DennisEG: wait what team are we discuss ?
  579. [14:29:08] +twinkling: i can wait, i guess
  580. [14:29:22] @Eyan: Aqua Dart's first.
  581. [14:29:23] +Aqua Dart: http://pastebin.com/d0PnsYnT
  582. [14:29:43] %DennisEG: ok as i said above mandi + rotom doesnt make sense on a sash mamo suicide lead team
  583. [14:30:03] +Aqua Dart: the team is based around Char X
  584. [14:30:04] %Team Pokepals: I have all the logs saved till now, so could I of you get the rest of it?
  585. [14:30:06] %Albacore: okay i think hippo or chomp>mamo, as DennisEG said sash lead+defog doesnt make too much sense, and hippo helps vs dangeroud stuff like bisharp and lopunn
  586. [14:30:14] %Albacore: sure Team Pokepals
  587. [14:30:28] %Team Pokepals: thanks Albacore
  588. [14:30:28] +Aqua Dart: ah I see :D
  589. [14:30:32] %Albacore: actually hippo ets you make a sand team
  590. [14:30:36] %Albacore: and run sand rush on exca
  591. [14:30:41] %Albacore: which is just a lot better than scarf
  592. [14:31:00] %Albacore: i'd also run latios>mandi probably b/c keldeo looks like a pain
  593. [14:31:02] +Aqua Dart: then I'm walled my rotom-W in that matchup
  594. [14:31:22] %DennisEG: zard/mamo/exca/clef
  595. [14:31:24] %DennisEG: i like those 4
  596. [14:31:24] %Albacore: latios handles rotom too dw
  597. [14:31:29] +Aqua Dart: kk
  598. [14:31:38] %Albacore: way better than naything you have actually
  599. [14:31:40] %DennisEG: although exca need max speed rather than max HP
  600. [14:31:42] %Albacore: *anything
  601. [14:31:44] %Albacore: bar clef
  602. [14:31:51] %DennisEG: and Jolly nature to outpace mega kazam
  603. [14:32:35] +Aqua Dart: item for exca?
  604. [14:33:08] +Sonired: scarf is good enough for the team i suppose
  605. [14:33:11] %Albacore: still scarf
  606. [14:33:17] +Sonired: but if he is running a hippo
  607. [14:33:17] %Albacore: unless you do the whole sand thing
  608. [14:33:20] %Albacore: if we want to go the xzard / mamo / exca / clef direction we need an actual keldeo counter
  609. [14:33:27] +Sonired: yeah
  610. [14:33:33] %Albacore: 2 water resists imo
  611. [14:33:34] +Sonired: is mandibuzz being run
  612. [14:33:44] %Albacore: i dont think we need mandi
  613. [14:33:46] +Aqua Dart: I switched mamo for hippo
  614. [14:33:53] +Sonired: run ferro over mandibuzz
  615. [14:34:00] +Sonired: could also help against bd azu and friends
  616. [14:34:21] +Aqua Dart: set for ferro?
  617. [14:34:29] +Sonired: !analysis Ferrothorn
  618. [14:34:29] XY Ferrothorn analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
  619. [14:34:34] %Albacore: so we're doing something like xzard / hippo / exca / clef / rotom / latios then
  620. [14:34:50] %Albacore: or xzard / mamo / exca / clef / latias / ferro
  621. [14:35:07] %DennisEG: i see you like more balance teams
  622. [14:35:12] %Albacore: b/c both seem like viable directions
  623. [14:35:13] +Aqua Dart: I got xzard / hippo / exca / clef / rotom-W / ferro so far
  624. [14:35:31] %Albacore: yeah you need a keldeo counter
  625. [14:35:31] %DennisEG: mamo/exca/zard/clef/latias/landot
  626. [14:35:34] %Albacore: and a good one
  627. [14:35:46] %DennisEG: maybe kelde over exca
  628. [14:35:53] %Albacore: 3 ground types doesnt sound liek a good idea tbh
  629. [14:35:56] %Albacore: *like
  630. [14:35:59] %DennisEG: mamo/keld/clef/zard/landot/latiass
  631. [14:36:10] %Albacore: and yeah that team is weak af to bish so def keldeo>exca
  632. [14:36:20] +Sonired: yeah keldeo seems like it does much more
  633. [14:36:29] +Sonired: you probably don't even need exca with latias around
  634. [14:36:34] %DennisEG: yeah
  635. [14:36:40] +Aqua Dart: well by exec, you were a good man qq
  636. [14:36:50] %DennisEG: and lando-t is better ground than exca cuz can check sand
  637. [14:37:25] %Albacore: we can run something like SD eplate lando to lure zard checks actually
  638. [14:38:01] +Aqua Dart: so replace land with what?
  639. [14:38:35] +Aqua Dart: I got xzard / hippo / Keldeo / clef / rotom-W / ferro now
  640. [14:38:54] %Albacore: wait we have no fairy resist if we dont run ferro or exca
  641. [14:39:00] +Sonired: run ferro then
  642. [14:39:03] +Sonired: tbh
  643. [14:39:04] %Albacore: and thats something we really need
  644. [14:39:19] +Sonired: in that case we gotta run ferro
  645. [14:39:26] +Aqua Dart: ferro stays then
  646. [14:39:42] %Albacore: xzard sd lando-t keld clef rotom ferro
  647. [14:39:49] %Albacore: so what beats us
  648. [14:40:15] +Aqua Dart: wait I got hippo still, is that fine?
  649. [14:40:15] %Albacore: latios>rotom is needed
  650. [14:40:22] %Albacore: hippo and lando both work
  651. [14:40:29] %DennisEG: wait are we doing 2 versions or what?
  652. [14:40:33] %Albacore: i was thinking lando to weaken xzard checks
  653. [14:40:38] +twinkling: serperior would beat it - not my place, but just pointing it out
  654. [14:40:45] %Albacore: we're sorta merging teh 2 versions
  655. [14:40:48] +Aqua Dart: yeah, the team struggles with sap a bit
  656. [14:40:49] %Albacore: *the
  657. [14:40:54] +Aqua Dart: *serp
  658. [14:41:04] +Sonired: wait brb
  659. [14:41:08] %Albacore: yeah thats true
  660. [14:41:49] +Aqua Dart: so should I just post of what my tema is right now through this?
  661. [14:41:53] +Aqua Dart: it'll probs help
  662. [14:42:15] %Albacore: xzard lando-t keld clef latias ferro and we need a serp check
  663. [14:42:38] %DennisEG: scarf lando-t
  664. [14:42:53] %Albacore: what do we lose by running yzard>xzard
  665. [14:42:53] %DennisEG: could check it
  666. [14:43:07] +Aqua Dart: xzard for dragons..?
  667. [14:43:37] +Aqua Dart: oh wait we got alias now
  668. [14:43:37] %Albacore: or maybe torn-t over clef?
  669. [14:43:43] %DennisEG: i really dont like changing mega
  670. [14:43:44] %Albacore: dragons are a problem then though
  671. [14:43:59] +Sonired: kyub can be a problem
  672. [14:44:01] +Sonired: with ferro gone
  673. [14:44:20] %Albacore: well we still have checks in keld and latias
  674. [14:44:25] %DennisEG: scarf lando-t and t-wave clef for serp is enough imo
  675. [14:44:33] %Albacore: yeah i guess
  676. [14:44:46] %DennisEG: you lose a mon either way
  677. [14:44:51] %Albacore: as long as you don't let it come in it's fine
  678. [14:44:58] %Albacore: and nothing lets serp come in for free
  679. [14:45:05] %Albacore: as long as you run gyro ball on ferro
  680. [14:45:07] %DennisEG: unless you have a heatran / mega venu serp always get a kill
  681. [14:45:38] %DennisEG: or spedef rachi/celebi
  682. [14:45:48] %Albacore: even then those lose to taunt
  683. [14:45:53] %DennisEG: yeah
  684. [14:46:09] %DennisEG: that's why you gotta revenge it rather then have a solid switch in
  685. [14:47:36] %DennisEG: so give us next team ?
  686. [14:47:39] %Albacore: opposing flmaethrower clef can be annoying but our own clef can probably 1v1
  687. [14:47:44] %Albacore: *flamethrower
  688. [14:47:48] %Albacore: yeah i think we're done
  689. [14:47:48] %DennisEG: with t-wave for sure
  690. [14:47:54] %Albacore: xzard / scarf lando-t / keld / clef / latias / ferro
  691. [14:47:57] %DennisEG: is such a disgusting move
  692. [14:48:02] +Sonired: lol ye
  693. [14:48:53] %Albacore: okay next team from twinkling : http://pastebin.com/eR82jFAB
  694. [14:48:59] +twinkling: okay
  695. [14:49:02] %Albacore: tagging Eyan
  696. [14:49:08] %Albacore: or highlighting w/e
  697. [14:49:13] (Aqua Dart was demoted to Room regular user by Eyan.)
  698. [14:49:45] %Albacore: okay so NP hoopa should run LO and psyshock or psychic over Sub, reason being that w/o a psychic move it's completely walled by fairies
  699. [14:49:54] %Albacore: also LO gives it a pretty necessary boost in power
  700. [14:50:19] +Sonired: i haven't seen an np hoopa in years
  701. [14:50:35] %Albacore: i don't see the appeal of scarf exca as a spinner when you can easily give rapid spin to starmie
  702. [14:50:39] +Sonired: also running no item on hoopa seems really gimmicky
  703. [14:50:41] %Albacore: so instead of exca i'd run a better fairy resist
  704. [14:50:49] %Albacore: something like ferro or klefki
  705. [14:50:54] +Sonired: ye all out attack starmie is a bit pointless without rapid spin
  706. [14:50:57] %DennisEG: wait i got a cash set for hoopa it is Sub NP with 88Evs on HP
  707. [14:51:09] +Sonired: soundsd expensive
  708. [14:51:11] %DennisEG: allow you to set up on bulky star
  709. [14:51:14] %Albacore: reg hoopa or hoopa-u?
  710. [14:51:19] %DennisEG: hoopa-u
  711. [14:51:26] +Sonired: what sort of scrub runs reg hoopa
  712. [14:51:52] %Albacore: so which spiking steel type shoudl we run over ferro on that team?
  713. [14:52:00] %DennisEG: you need HP fire on Starmie to lure counters for Mega Alt
  714. [14:52:03] %Albacore: also, do we remove tbolt or ice beam on starmie
  715. [14:52:10] %Albacore: or both for hp fire that works too lol
  716. [14:52:28] +Sonired: lol
  717. [14:53:13] %DennisEG: so Suicune/Starmie/Chomp/Alt/hoopa-U
  718. [14:53:31] %DennisEG: starmie with pump/psy/hpfire/spin
  719. [14:53:36] %Albacore: actually we probably want a steel that can beat clef
  720. [14:53:55] %DennisEG: and a mega man check
  721. [14:54:09] %Albacore: y that too
  722. [14:55:03] %Albacore: hm
  723. [14:55:17] %Albacore: do we lose anything by running hippo>chomp
  724. [14:55:25] %Albacore: and then making exca sand rush SD
  725. [14:55:32] +Sonired: tbh whatever we lose in that
  726. [14:55:35] +Sonired: exca can handle better
  727. [14:56:19] %Albacore: manapy seems threatening
  728. [14:56:27] %Albacore: easily sets up on cune
  729. [14:56:31] %Albacore: *manaphy
  730. [14:56:36] +twinkling: roar cune then?
  731. [14:56:44] %Albacore: maybe
  732. [14:56:55] %Albacore: or maybe run ferro instead of exca
  733. [14:57:04] %Albacore: but keep hippo for electrics
  734. [14:58:23] %DennisEG: yeah i like spikes + rocks
  735. [14:58:26] %DennisEG: so hippo + ferro
  736. [14:58:33] %DennisEG: help LO starmie to secure some HKO
  737. [14:58:47] %Albacore: so how does suicune / altaria / ferro / hoopa / starmie / hippo look
  738. [14:59:10] %DennisEG: fine by me
  739. [14:59:22] %DennisEG: no ground immunity but fat mons
  740. [14:59:39] %Albacore: yeah cune+hippo handles all ground types p much
  741. [14:59:47] %Albacore: besides like, nidoking
  742. [14:59:56] +Sonired: oh lord nidoking
  743. [15:00:08] %Albacore: scizor can be annoying but we have hp fire starmie
  744. [15:00:47] +Sonired: zor is one of the reasons we running hp fire starmie anyway
  745. [15:01:01] %Albacore: hydro pump / psychic / hp fire / spin on starmie?
  746. [15:01:24] %DennisEG: yeah
  747. [15:01:32] %DennisEG: and shed on ferro ofc
  748. [15:01:43] %DennisEG: shoutout to lilluke
  749. [15:02:18] %Albacore: gardevoir looks very scary
  750. [15:02:37] %Albacore: not sure what to do about that
  751. [15:02:42] %DennisEG: thats the problem with bulky teams
  752. [15:02:59] %DennisEG: the only we can do is put bulky sd zor over ferro
  753. [15:03:13] %DennisEG: spdef
  754. [15:03:13] %Albacore: or maybe chople berry on ferro
  755. [15:03:18] +Sonired: exca can revenge garde
  756. [15:03:20] %DennisEG: we need shed shell
  757. [15:03:20] +Sonired: in sand tho
  758. [15:03:26] %DennisEG: cuz mana + zone destroy us
  759. [15:03:29] %Albacore: true
  760. [15:03:39] %Albacore: didnt we remove exca
  761. [15:03:43] %DennisEG: y
  762. [15:03:44] %Albacore: or can we still fit it
  763. [15:03:55] %DennisEG: only with baloon over suicune i guess
  764. [15:04:17] %Albacore: y i'm not sure we need suicune that much
  765. [15:04:25] %DennisEG: hippo/baloon exca/ferro/alt/hpfire starmie/hoopa
  766. [15:04:31] %Albacore: and exca gives us an safety net vs things
  767. [15:04:55] %Albacore: yeah that seems fine honestly
  768. [15:05:11] %DennisEG: or suicune/hoopa/alt/starmie/hippo/spdef SD scizor
  769. [15:05:13] %Albacore: bit weak to weavile
  770. [15:05:14] %Albacore: w/ cune
  771. [15:05:19] %Albacore: *w/o
  772. [15:05:49] %DennisEG: i like more the scizor version
  773. [15:05:50] %Albacore: maybe sipn exca over starmie isneatd but we lose a lure
  774. [15:05:54] %Albacore: *spin
  775. [15:06:05] %DennisEG: sd exca is the best exca
  776. [15:06:09] %Albacore: yeah
  777. [15:06:12] +TDK: is there an import?
  778. [15:06:15] +Sonired: sd exca with balloon seems really nice with the team
  779. [15:06:19] +Sonired: http://pastebin.com/eR82jFAB
  780. [15:06:29] +TDK: ty
  781. [15:07:13] %DennisEG: well i need to eat, c u soon guys !
  782. [15:07:20] +Sonired: allright dennis
  783. [15:07:24] %Albacore: actually if we run scizor mana fucks us
  784. [15:07:26] %Albacore: so maybe not
  785. [15:07:31] %Albacore: bye DennisEG
  786. [15:07:41] +TDK: yea you can't lose ferro
  787. [15:08:15] +TDK: what was the team originally built around and whose team is it?
  788. [15:08:30] %Albacore: twinkling built it
  789. [15:08:31] +twinkling: mine, i did it around cune
  790. [15:08:38] +TDK: just cune?
  791. [15:08:41] +TDK: kk
  792. [15:08:54] +Sonired: well then it does seem kinda sad replacing cune
  793. [15:09:04] +TDK: yeah keep cune
  794. [15:09:36] %Albacore: hippo suicune ferro alt hp fire starmie hoopa and we pray we don't find a gardevoir i guess
  795. [15:09:51] %Albacore: seems like the best bet unless we can find a way to somehow fit exca in there
  796. [15:09:53] +TDK: uh, it might be better to replace hoopa
  797. [15:09:57] %Albacore: hm true
  798. [15:11:18] %Albacore: the team can probably hold its own vs bulkier stuff even w/o hoopa
  799. [15:11:27] +TDK: hippo / ferro / cune / altaria is a solid core
  800. [15:11:37] +TDK: maybe pick two to round the team off and drop starmie & hoopa?
  801. [15:11:57] +Sonired: well then stall can kinda pick the team off
  802. [15:12:00] %Albacore: i guess
  803. [15:12:07] +TDK: can be fixed up in the last slots
  804. [15:12:15] %Albacore: we do change a lot of teh team though
  805. [15:12:20] +Sonired: i'd probably keep starmie
  806. [15:12:25] +Sonired: maybe change hoopa-u
  807. [15:12:31] %Albacore: yeah change hoopa
  808. [15:12:52] +twinkling: oh i know
  809. [15:12:53] +twinkling: jirachi
  810. [15:13:02] %Albacore: probably to a garde check that can break down fatter teams
  811. [15:13:12] %Albacore: jirachi can work but i was thinking more victini
  812. [15:13:14] +TDK: taunt wisp talon + latios > hoopa-u + starmie?
  813. [15:13:26] %Albacore: actually talon works well too yeah
  814. [15:13:30] +Sonired: i could certainly see that working
  815. [15:13:37] +TDK: lati isn't the ~optimal~ hazard remover on a talon team but it's the best synergy wise
  816. [15:14:08] +TDK: and we also have spikes to pressure them to defog a lot
  817. [15:14:19] %Albacore: okay so hippo / ferro / cune / altaria / stallbreaker talon / hp fire latios
  818. [15:14:29] %Albacore: and that's pretty much it i guess
  819. [15:14:35] +TDK: seems solid
  820. [15:14:50] +Sonired: yea
  821. [15:14:57] %Albacore: okay i think the workshop's pretty much done now
  822. [15:15:04] +twinkling: alright thanks
  823. [15:15:16] %Albacore: can someone devoice twinkling and remove voicechat?
  824. [15:15:21] +TDK: one thing to note is the team is p similar to a team dice and i built if you're interested twinkling
  825. [15:15:24] +TDK: it's just sableye > altaria
  826. [15:15:36] +TDK: alt is cool too though
  827. [15:15:43] +TDK: up to your preference
  828. [15:16:20] +twinkling: ah ok! i prefer sable to take on reun better, i think
  829. [15:16:34] +TDK: try out both
  830. [15:18:36] +Sonired: IronBullet
  831. [15:18:38] (twinkling was demoted to Room regular user by Eyan.)
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