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22:25 Topic: http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient
22:25 jkridner set the topic at: Jun 14, 2013 4:37 PM
22:25 Mode: +ct
22:25 Created at: Jan 30, 2010 2:48 AM
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22:29 Shadyman: mranostay: OH SNAP.
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22:32 mranostay: Shadyman: he just got served
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22:40 mranostay: emeb_mac: so i know you like FPGAs but is your thoughts on ASICs? :P
22:40 emeb_mac: mranostay: ASICs are great. I used to design them.
22:41 mranostay: emeb_mac: follow any of the bitcoin ones?
22:41 emeb_mac: mranostay: I'm aware of them. Don't know more than that
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22:44 mranostay: emeb_mac: sounds like selling the shovels for the gold rush :P
22:44 emeb_mac: precise analogy
22:44 Lee201: Anyone have experience downloading the Angstrom source in order to build a device driver for a beaglebone?
22:45 mranostay: heh
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22:49 jkridner: Lee201: I have a bit.
22:50 jkridner: appreciates mranostay's sentiment
22:53 Lee201: jkridner: Ever run into the following errors during the ./oebb.sh config step?: fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches.
22:53 Lee201: also, several "fatal: Could not parse object 'd196fa93c7ff5e080d4c44e2b83aed472f32b2c7'." type of errors
22:54 Lee201: (I'm following the steps here: http://wind.cs.purdue.edu/doc/crosscompile.html)
22:55 Lee201: though I get similar errors following the official Angstrom build instructions here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom
22:55 Lee201: only difference in what i'm doing is the "beaglebone" vs "beagleboard" configuration
23:05 mrpackethead: trlls
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23:13 mrpackethead: jkridner: if you keep that "bit", and save another 7 you'll have a byte
23:13 jkridner: distracted.... back now
23:13 jkridner: mrpackethead: oh?
23:13 mrpackethead: yes, lets start a bit market
23:13 mrpackethead: were we could trade bits
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23:15 jkridner: Lee201: do you have a full log?
23:15 jkridner: I haven't seen that issue with oebb.sh in specific, no.
23:16 jkridner: your file system good?
23:17 prpplague: mru: note to self - pumpkin ale and burritos don't go well together....
23:17 jkridner: prpplague: :-)
23:17 jkridner: scotch ale and IRC go together nicely.
23:17 Lee201: jkridner: generating one now...
23:20 prpplague: jkridner: getting prepared for a fun week?
23:20 jkridner: every week is a fun week. :-)
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23:23 m_billybob: weekends are funny
23:23 m_billybob: dont cha know
23:24 Lee201: jkridner: http://pastebin.com/y8eQdyjE
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23:25 m_billybob: s effing glad i dont touch angstrom anymore
23:26 Lee201: m_billybob: what do you use?  i'm pretty new to beagleboards, so any insight to better solutions would be helpful
23:27 m_billybob: Well, use what you like to use, but i am just saying i hated screwing aroudn with the "sngstrom build process"
23:27 Lee201: ah
23:27 m_billybob: I use debia nwheezt though
23:27 m_billybob: debian wheezy*
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23:28 m_billybob: I spent a week trying ot build angstrom from source, and the lack of up to date instructions drive me buts
23:28 m_billybob: err drove me nuts
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23:28 mranostay: prpplague: ew
23:29 m_billybob: hey there fancy beer troll guy
23:29 m_billybob: waves at mranostay
23:29 m_billybob: mranostay we're slumming big time tonight. milwaukee's best light :P
23:30 mranostay: oh christ
23:30 mranostay: damn hipsters
23:31 m_billybob: Lee201, anyhow you can pretty much use whatever you like, so if you have a favorite distro, you can more than likely put that on the BBB
23:32 m_billybob: Debian fedora ubuntu ARCH gentoo and i think slackware too not to mention the "non linuxes" that run on it as we''
23:32 Lee201: wow, that's good to know
23:33 m_billybob: err run on it as well
23:33 jkridner: Lee201: did you try to run any builds?
23:34 mranostay: m_billybob: the beast is to beer that nodejs is to programming :P
23:35 m_billybob: mranostay webUI abstraction, tell me how you do that well ever ?
23:35 mranostay: i don't want too
23:35 jkridner: Lee201: looks like the tag from meta-xilinx isn't valid anymore... but, you probably don't use that layer.
23:35 m_billybob: you have perl, dotn even get me started on perl, you have php . . .
23:35 m_billybob: the whole field is litered with garbage
23:36 mranostay: m_billybob: php isn't bad it is just the noobs that write it
23:36 m_billybob: php as a l;anguage is no better than javascript
23:36 jkridner: Lee201: looks like the Danny branch isn't there either.
23:36 jkridner: on meta-linaro.
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23:36 mranostay: jkridner: danny i harely knew ye?
23:38 m_billybob: mranostay, anyhow i learned a long time ago, that yeah i am a code snob too, but sometimes somethign that are what we might consider garbage, are best used to *some* things
23:38 m_billybob: best used to do some thigns. i dont exactly like writting web app stuff, but my project requires it
23:39 Lee201: jkridner: after the config, i run an update, which also gets errors (log: http://pastebin.com/6mqMkrSS) followed by the bitbake command, which aborts with fatal errors (log: http://pastebin.com/L8nhfcw8)
23:39 Lee201: i don't think i have a proper source tree to do a build yet
23:41 jkridner: Lee201: looking at layers.txt, there is reference to the 'danny' branch.
23:41 jkridner: looking at https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/meta-linaro, there is no 'danny' branch.
23:41 m_billybob: :/
23:41 Lee201: yes, they're definitely in the layers.txt file.  i've tried modifying those to read "master" instead,
23:42 Lee201: i got errors when doing that as well
23:42 jkridner: https://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=openembedded/meta-linaro.git has one.... not sure why koen didn't clone it in his new clone.
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23:50 Lee201: should i replace my meta-linaro entry with that link in my layers.txt?
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23:58 jkridner: probably, to get moving.
23:58 jkridner: deserves a google to see if koen explained his patch to move to a fork of meta-linaro
23:59 Lee201: i've definitely been googling most of the messages i'm getting, but i haven't found much.
00:00 Lee201: but i'm new to much of this, so i may not have searched for the right stuff in addition to my precise error messages
00:01 jkridner: i saw some queries about this patch ... https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts/commit/66e40ddfe62f9f67263aaf82014e12b682351182
00:04 jkridner: looks at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/beagle/beagle.20130525.txt
00:05 Lee201: ooh, this appears relevant
00:07 m_billybob: up to date "instructions" not necessarily exact steps would come in real handy me thinks
00:08 m_billybob: problem i found was that some stuff was out of date, and tons of information all over the place did not work, or match from one set of instructions to the next .  . . made me personally very frustrated
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00:11 jkridner: Lee201: ah...
00:11 jkridner: looks like the branch you are on is old...
00:11 jkridner: seems the old branch got broken. :-(
00:11 Lee201: oh?
00:12 jkridner: Lee201: yeah... look at the angstrom-v2013.06-yocto1.4 branch of setup-scripts....
00:12 jkridner: if you use that one, I think the layers.txt should be valid.
00:12 jkridner: sucks that the old one is broken.
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00:43 Lee201: this branch definitely seems better, although i'm getting an error during the update step:
00:43 Lee201: "WARNING: meta-ti is using a different branch 'master' than configured in layers.txt 'angstrom-staging-yocto1.4'"
00:48 Lee201: just hand-modifying layers.txt to "master" seems to have solved that though
00:49 Lee201: building!  thanks jkridner for your help :)
00:50 jkridner: glad it helped
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01:05 mranostay: is back
01:17 Lee201: heh...all this Angstrom building has run me out of disk space.  off to resize some partitions :P
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01:24 mranostay: buy a hard drive
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08:01 Topic: http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient
08:01 jkridner set the topic at: Jun 14, 2013 4:37 PM
08:01 wolfe.freenode.net: [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
08:01 Mode: +ct
08:01 Created at: Jan 30, 2010 2:48 AM
08:03 woglinde: tsooj 5 seconds of googeling gives http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16872763/configuring-pins-mode-beaglebone
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08:05 das: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/213
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08:15 jackmitchell: the_dude: ah, good stuff
08:15 jackmitchell: the_dude: glad you got it fixed
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08:29 KotH: curses tft producers
08:29 KotH: even ncruses them
08:30 das: KotH: that a harry potter thing right ?
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08:30 SpeedEvil: sighs.
08:30 SpeedEvil: wants 4:3 laptops.
08:32 mru: doesn't actually
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08:35 SpeedEvil: 4:4 then
08:35 das: 1:1 ?
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08:37 mru: 16:9 or 16:10 is fine
08:38 mru: if you ever tried using a laptop in an airplane seat you'd agree
08:38 SpeedEvil: I have been on an airplane once.
08:38 mru: once?
08:38 mru: how does one fly just once?
08:39 mru: twice I could understand
08:39 SpeedEvil: It was one purchase.
08:39 woglinde: mru oneway
08:39 mru: woglinde: yes, sure
08:39 woglinde: from africa to somehwere else
08:39 mru: but usually you fly back too
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08:48 KotH: o_0
08:48 KotH: SpeedEvil: how do you get from A to B?
08:48 KotH: SpeedEvil: or have you never left the town you live in?
08:49 woglinde: koth he never left the town he moved too
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09:04 mru: hmm, freescale.com email is handled by some weird microsoft service
09:04 mru: and said service refuses mail from my IP address
09:05 KotH: they know they dont to talk to you, you are evil, you have a vendor tree!
09:05 mru: how could I possibly have a vendor tree?
09:05 mru: I'm not a vendor
09:06 KotH: ok, then you are evil without a vendor tree
09:06 SpeedEvil: KotH: Drive.
09:07 SpeedEvil: KotH: But there are unfortuante other issues meaning I don't travel much
09:07 KotH: i dont travel much either
09:07 KotH: but i lost count of how many times i flew somewhen in highschool...
09:07 mru: can you drive to japan?
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09:25 Topic: http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient
09:25 jkridner set the topic at: Jun 14, 2013 4:37 PM
09:25 Mode: +ct
09:25 Created at: Jan 30, 2010 2:48 AM
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09:45 Topic: http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient
09:45 jkridner set the topic at: Jun 14, 2013 4:37 PM
09:45 Mode: +ct
09:45 Created at: Jan 30, 2010 2:48 AM
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10:43 mranostay: Jayneil: you rang?
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10:46 mranostay: emeb: please tell me it isn't monday
10:47 mru: mranostay: it's friday
10:47 emeb: mranostay: it isn't monday
10:47 emeb: fibs
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11:05 KotH: declares "Feierabend"
11:05 KotH: bye trolls, boys and girls
11:05 mru: feuerabend
11:06 KotH: way too wet atm
11:06 mru: a nice fire would dry it up
11:06 KotH: right... let me call nero
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11:07 Spirilis: nero++
11:07 Spirilis: bring caligula for entertainment too
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11:13 jmss: hi, I experienced some kind of system crash (ping responds but ssh and keyboard don't) with a BBB for two times after issuing "cat /dev/bus/usb/001/001 > /dev/null"
11:13 mru: "doc, it hurts when I do this", "don't do that then"
11:14 jmss: The last message in syslog is "device descriptor read/64, error -110"
11:14 jmss: and "khubd timed out on ep0iun len=0/64"
11:15 jmss: the problem is that sometimes, USB devices just stop being recongized
11:16 jmss: from armhf I got the suggestion of the cat command
11:18 mru: 110 is 'Connection timed out'
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11:27 jmss: the cat command normally awakes (?) the bus and the devices get recognized
11:28 jmss: I've experienced the recognition issues with cameras and GSM pen
11:31 jmss: also, cameras work OK with camorama
11:32 jmss: but they don't work OK with luvcview
11:32 jmss: the image has errors
11:32 jmss: they also don't workk OK with opencv
11:33 jmss: all of them work OK in my laptop
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11:46 _av500_: musb is know to not be 100% bug free
11:46 _av500_: known
11:46 mru: no way
11:47 joel_: _known_
11:47 joel_: rather, musb implementations are _known_
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11:51 ka6sox: "not entirely stable"
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12:01 shoragan: does anyone know when the RF cape will be available?
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12:13 jmss: from what I've been reading in BB google group etc. it seems we should plug all USB devices from the boot
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12:14 jmss: so, USB hot plug feature should not be used or at least is not stable
12:14 mranostay: it isn't?
12:15 ka6sox: did he really say stable and USB in the same sentence?
12:15 jmss: what do you mean?
12:15 thurgood: yes with the all important... 'not' qualifier
12:15 mru: ka6sox: that's ok if it also includes illusion
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12:17 mranostay: is anyone ever suspect when a corporate survey says it is anonymous?
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12:18 jmss: you mean, BBB's USB is not stable as if the board should not be sold?
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12:19 mru: there are perfectly good uses for the board that do not involve usb
12:19 jmss: OK, I see
12:20 mru: and some people seem to be using usb ok
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12:21 ka6sox: jmss, not every device that has a driver on x86 that works well has a driver on ARM that works as well...
12:22 mru: really?
12:22 ka6sox: patches welcomed to fix them and make them better.
12:22 mru: aren't most drivers arch-neutral?
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12:26 mranostay: jmss: current draw form USB is lower than the standard 500mA
12:30 thurgood: my limited experience is that beagle USB is ok, if you don't push it very hard
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12:31 mranostay: thurgood: so i shouldn't hang my USB lava lamp off of it?
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12:35 thurgood: here's a kind of corner case that question for C... if you declare a variable as static within a function does it keep it's value across different thread instances?
12:36 thurgood: I suppose I could test if no one knows off the top of mru's head :P
12:39 jmss: mranostay, can you explain what you mean about the current?
12:40 mru: thurgood: C does not know about threads
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12:40 mru: anything declared with 'static' has 'static storage duration'
12:41 mru: this means there's space allocated for it in a data section
12:41 mru: any read will see whatever value was last written within the limits of the system memory model
12:42 jmss: I think the default in the image I'm using (one from armhf) has increased current limit
12:43 jmss: from 500 to 1300 mA (?)
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12:46 mranostay: heh impossible
12:46 mranostay: 1300mA over a USB port?
12:47 [1]clemahieu: Hey folks.  I'm attempting to operate the BBB's TSC ADC via the memory mapped registers.  It seems like I can enable a step though the fifo never fills up.  Could it be possible that the preinstalled services are emptying the fifo before my program is able to drain it?
12:47 mru: mranostay: his usb doesn't stop at 11, it goes to 26
12:49 jmss: "The June 9th images reconfigure the current regulator at boot to allow up to 1.3 amps to be sourced from the USB."
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12:57 CanyonMAD: mmmmm mighty taco
12:58 tacon: mmm tacos!
12:58 ka6sox: gee...I guess software *can* do everything..including upgrade hardware!
13:00 prpplague: jkridner: i hearby declare userspace-arduino a success! we had our first customer that is using it to quickly prototype operations!
13:01 jkridner: sweet.
13:01 hatguy: calls for beer
13:01 jkridner: it certainly makes for a nice quick way to test interfaces.
13:01 KotH: userspace arduino?
13:01 KotH: wth is that?
13:02 wmat: prpplague: congrats!
13:03 hatguy: gsoc project http://beagleboard.org/project/userspace-arduino/
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13:03 KotH: hmm...
13:03 KotH: someday i need to buy one of these arduino thingies and try them
13:05 CanyonMAD: arduino-like ?
13:05 CanyonMAD: hrm.
13:05 prpplague: KotH: or just use it on black
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13:05 prpplague: CanyonMAD: basically it's a wiring implementation for linux
13:06 CanyonMAD: Isn't that kind of like painting your McLaren to make it look more like a Yugo?
13:06 CanyonMAD: :-)
13:06 prpplague: CanyonMAD: sorry i do not know those references
13:06 CanyonMAD: Oh.  One is a very nice car, the other is a very awful car
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13:07 prpplague: CanyonMAD: ahh, it's not different than having lower end languages on any system
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13:09 arun: can i connect, program and debug beaglebone black through the ethernet as shown in some videos(derek molloy). thank you
13:09 jkridner: arun: why do you ask?
13:09 CanyonMAD: what does that mean?  Do they think the videos were faked like the moon landings?
13:09 mru: no, the video is fake
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13:11 KotH: prpplague: i'd need a black for that :)
13:12 prpplague: KotH: ahh ok, just assumed you had one since you lurk here often
13:12 KotH: prpplague: it's all koen's and mru's fault!
13:12 mru: _my_ fault?
13:12 KotH: of course! who else?
13:12 mru: _troll_?
13:12 KotH: you introduced me to these crazy guys!
13:12 tacon: ka6sox: <--- do you use any of the beagle boards with the hobby?
13:13 KotH: tacon: the hobbit has its own bbb
13:13 KotH: apropos... the hobbit has been awfully quiet today
13:14 mru: tacon, is that a cross between taco and bacon?
13:14 KotH: or a japanese nickname
13:16 arun: planing to buy beaglebone black and want to debug line by line.
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13:16 mru: debugging a line at a time is not very useful
13:16 mru: most bugs result from the combination of lines, not any one line on its own
13:18 arun: but black does not have ftdi inbuilt. so is there any possible using Ethernet.
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13:18 KotH: o_0
13:19 KotH: takes notes
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13:29 cyronin: hey, I'm trying to get the beaglebone black to boot using /dev/ttyO4 as the serial console, but I'm having no luck with getting the kernel or getty to use ttyO4
13:29 mranostay: KotH: CHOCOLATE JIAHD
13:29 KotH: mranostay: BEER JIHAD
13:30 mranostay: CHOCOLATE BEER JIHAD
13:30 cyronin: I've recompiled uboot to use the uart, and i have confirmed that u-boot uses the console, but setting console=ttyO4,115200n8 in uEnv.txt, or setting it manually in the uboot command line doesn't seem to work
13:31 cyronin: does anyone have any pointers for doing this?
13:32 mranostay: do you need advanced pointers?
13:33 mru: null pointers ought to be enough for anyone
13:34 KotH: mranostay: ugh! what a waste of good chocolate!
13:34 cyronin: wait, I got getty to work on it!
13:34 mru: KotH: who said it was good chocolate?
13:34 KotH: mru: hershey is _NOT_ chocolate
13:34 cyronin: i just modified the .dtb to set the uart to "okay" instead of "disabled"
13:35 cyronin: but i'm still not getting kernel boot messages
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13:35 algebra: hey calculus! nice to meet you!
13:35 algebra is now known as KotH
13:36 mranostay: KotH: dork :)
13:36 KotH: mranostay: :)
13:36 calculus: KotH: hi there :)
13:36 KotH: mranostay: would differential_geometry been better? ;)
13:37 mranostay: not really
13:37 KotH: topology?
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13:38 mranostay: heh how about long division? :P
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13:39 KotH is now known as short_division
13:39 short_division: i think, that sounds better :)
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13:41 KotH: you shouldnt divide joy, but share it!
13:44 mranostay: you have to divide it into sharable bits
13:45 kblin: bittorrent?
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13:48 mru: inner or outer shareable?
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13:51 mranostay: kblin: that would be illegal
13:52 kblin: mranostay: only if you shared somebody else's love
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13:55 KotH: mranostay: downloading is legal in .ch
13:56 mru: kblin: adultery is illegal?
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14:03 thurgood: kinda prefer new order to joy division... but that's just mew
14:04 thurgood: ... me
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14:39 KotH: mew is good
14:39 KotH: though, i'm more a miau kind of man
14:39 Shadyman: mewtoo is better.
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14:39 KotH: hey hobbit!
14:40 KotH: where were you? you missed your shift!
14:40 mranostay: hits KotH with a Super Pokeball
14:41 KotH: ouch! that hurt!
14:41 KotH: what did i do to you?
14:41 KotH: did i invade your country?
14:41 KotH: did i bring you democracy?
14:42 KotH: no, i left you alone... mostly.. i only brought you good chocolate and JIHAD
14:42 emeb: mmm... chocolate.
14:42 emeb: welcomes his new chocolaty overlords.
14:44 mru: overlords are overrated
14:45 emeb: underlords are underrated
14:46 KotH: and delicious chcolate trolls are delicious
14:47 emeb: now there's a marketing opportunity: Chocolate trolls - they're appropriate all year round. A delicious alternative to biting off bunny ears.
14:47 mranostay: heh
14:47 mranostay: emeb: pop a troll fortune in the middle
14:47 KotH: http://i.imgur.com/i6Ezig4.gif
14:48 mranostay: no a 26+26 quote!
14:48 KotH: sorry dude... didnt have one that fit
14:48 mru: nominate one
14:48 mranostay: can you 3d print chocolate?
14:49 emeb: KotH: awesome kitty gif. Mighty predator.
14:50 mranostay: hello kitty?
14:50 KotH: mranostay: http://chocolateprinter.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/3d-printing-chocolate-success/
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14:50 mru: says it's beer o'clock
14:51 emeb: I like mru's clock.
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14:51 KotH: yeah.. must be... it's way past chocolate o'clock
14:51 mranostay: it is mru o'clock
14:51 emeb: it's always beer o'clock somewhere in the world.
14:52 mru: pub is open...
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14:54 desaster: pub is always open somewhere...
14:55 emeb: 26+26 site needs a way to quickly scroll through pgs
14:55 emeb: arrow keys, K/L, etc.
14:55 KotH: you know a science site is good, when they write "wernher von braun"
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14:58 emeb: at least it wasn't "wherener von brown"
15:00 KotH: emeb: you might also like http://i.imgur.com/5ApY84v.gif
15:01 emeb: a series of tubes, full of cats.
15:01 emeb: _hungry_ cats
15:02 koen: emeb: btw, people my age said "8-bit", the younglings kept saying "minecraft" when seeing that sign with the teapot
15:05 KotH: 7 bit ought to be enough for everyone
15:05 mranostay: koen: how old are you again? :)
15:05 koen: almost 0x20
15:05 KotH: whipersnapper!
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15:12 mranostay: cranks some Rammstein on KotH's lawn
15:14 KotH: as long as it's not ländler
15:14 mranostay: breaks out the flamethrowers
15:15 mru: rammstein ain't bad
15:15 Crofton|work: dresses in asbestos
15:16 mranostay: asbestos all things!
15:16 koen: I've discovered that I like 80s metal a lot better when the band stops wearing spandex
15:16 koen: the slayer show was awesome this weekend
15:16 _av500_: koen: then its not 80 metal
15:17 mru: heh
15:17 _av500_: ask LetoThe2nd
15:17 mranostay: koen: yeah slayer was awesome when i saw them at like Ozzfest 04 (i think it was)
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15:18 mranostay: had such a contact buzz
15:19 bradfa: jkridner, any chance a BBB could be sent gratis to Greg Nutt who makes NuttX (http://nuttx.org/)?  He's interested in adding am335x support http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nuttx/message/4217
15:19 _av500_: nuts
15:19 mranostay: koen: although i have the bad luck of standing where a mosh pit starts
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15:21 beginner: hi
15:21 koen: heh
15:22 koen: mranostay: one advantage of weighing 220 pounds, pits aren't "bad luck" :)
15:23 _av500_: koen: 220?
15:23 mru: dutch pounds
15:24 beginner: i am searching a easy way to install nginx on the beaglebone black. Is the a way with opkg or ipk?
15:24 mranostay: koen: metal fan?
15:24 mranostay: pokes LetoThe2nd
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15:30 LetoThe2nd: wazzup?
15:31 LetoThe2nd: KotH: google "rammbayern"
15:33 mranostay: LetoThe2nd: metal talk though you'd want to be here :P
15:33 LetoThe2nd: mranostay: nah
15:33 LetoThe2nd: is leaving for today... and for good.
15:34 LetoThe2nd: reading yocto docs already made my evening mostly blurry.
15:34 LetoThe2nd: bb
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15:37 _av500_: what actually is yocto?
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15:39 mranostay: _av500_: some octopus shop
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15:39 dm8tbr: an ARM distribution? ;)
15:39 mranostay: no that is Angst Rom
15:40 mranostay: ducks from koen
15:40 mru: yocto, putting the angst in angstrom
15:41 dm8tbr: that makes sense, thanks for clearing that up
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15:48 prpplague: Crofton|work: ping
15:48 Crofton|work: pong
15:49 prpplague: Crofton|work: i can't remember if i ever got back to about my question on spectrum analyzers
15:49 prpplague: Crofton|work: since you were on holiday at the time
15:49 Crofton|work: ah
15:49 Crofton|work: I do not think sop
15:49 Crofton|work: what was the question
15:50 KotH: LetoThe2nd: rotfl
15:50 Crofton|work: koen was at lowlands
15:50 prpplague: Crofton|work: was looking for some recommendations on a low cost solution for doing pre-FCC/CE certifications
15:50 Crofton|work: old used one ?
15:50 prpplague: Crofton|work: i found this - http://www.edn.com/design/failure-analysis/4389545/Can-a-129-spectrum-analyzer-be-any-good
15:51 prpplague: Crofton|work: i've ordered all the stuff, but haven't gotten a chance to test it yet
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15:52 Crofton|work: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Advantest-R3267-Spectrum-Analyzer-Opt-01-61-02-74-21-/271244336697?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f276c1e39
15:52 Crofton|work: is what I ahve
15:52 Crofton|work: range is much better
15:52 KotH: Crofton|work: not really usefull for fcc/ce relevant stuff
15:52 dnil: prpplague, I can recommend the signalhound stuff, I own both the SA and the SG
15:53 KotH: Crofton|work: in my experience most of the violations are below 100MHz
15:53 Crofton|work: I suck at FCC/CE stuff :)
15:53 KotH: Crofton|work: usually 10-50MHz and most often from DC/DC converters
15:55 prpplague: dnil: got a url?
15:55 dnil: One nice thing about the signalhound instruments if that they come with an API (also one for BeagleBoard !)
15:55 dnil: http://www.signalhound.com/
15:56 prpplague: yea we mainly just want to make sure there are no "hot spots"
15:56 dnil: So if you want to get real fancy in automation you can go as crazy as you like
15:56 prpplague: dnil: thanks i'll have a look
15:57 dnil: prpplague, You want to pre-screen for radiated emissions?
15:57 prpplague: dnil: yea
15:57 KotH: prpplague: what kind of devices?
15:57 prpplague: dnil: just to make sure there isn't something obvious
15:57 KotH: prpplague: 0815 uC/uP stuff?
15:57 prpplague: KotH: sbcs such as the black
15:58 KotH: prpplague: pre screening wont really help unless you were cutting edges at the degsing
15:58 KotH: prpplague: most of the violations on such boards are <3dB, often just half a dB
15:59 dnil: prpplague, Yeah, the test setup is the tricky part. Antennas, chambers etc
15:59 KotH: prpplague: nothign you can detect with an uncalibrated instrument
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15:59 prpplague: KotH: that doesn't fit with the information i have, we have plenty of information on how to do the pre-screening, i was mainly just looking for reasonable cost tools
15:59 KotH: prpplague: ok...
16:00 prpplague: dnil: we already do our own prescreening, but we just lease the equipment for 30 days when we need to do it
16:00 prpplague: dnil: so experience/procedure wise we have that under control
16:01 dnil: prpplague, Ok, I think the signalhound stuff could work well for you then. Take a look. Cost is reasonable. Speed is the downside compared to a 200k Rohde&Schwartz instrument, but that shouldn't matter in your case
16:02 KotH: dnil: a reason to grab a cup of coffee :)
16:02 prpplague: dnil: thanks! i think we can lease one of those as well, so i will do a test run with one...
16:03 dnil: prpplague, I do basic antenna tuning with that equipment as well, the SA and SG can be setup to track each other to that I can have a basic network analyzer (without phase information).
16:03 prpplague: mru: doh! i have trace error on one of the inner layers of my pcie black module
16:04 prpplague: dnil: ahh nice
16:04 dnil: Works well enough to tune typical PCB antennas on embedded devices
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16:23 mtytel: hi! i just got a beaglebone black but i'm having some issues getting it set up. can anyone help?
16:24 sicer: Do you guys have a link to the datasheet of the eMMC nand flash used on the BBB?
16:24 sicer: what issues do you have mtytel?
16:24 mtytel: i can mount the black, but almost all the files come up blank.. including the Start.htm
16:25 mranostay: didn't google the part number?
16:25 sicer: they are of the size 0 without content?
16:25 mtytel: yes
16:25 mru: both are micron parts
16:25 mtytel: if it matters i'm on a mac, running 10.8
16:25 mru: easy to find
16:26 sicer: couldnt find it within 10min with google and wasn't patient enough yet to search longer :)
16:26 mranostay: calls BS
16:26 mru: sicer: http://www.micron.com/products/support/fbga
16:27 mtytel: does it matter if you plug the usb cord into your big computer first, then the black?
16:27 mru: how could it?
16:28 mtytel: i don't know anything about usb.
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16:28 mru: do you know anything about electricity?
16:30 mtytel: could you be less condescending to people starting out?
16:31 mranostay: heh
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16:33 sicer: did you have any connection yet? You could may try putty and connect via SSH or via the USB cable you mentioned.
16:34 mtytel: i just ssh'ed in, i could probably follow some online startup guides but it's still weird all the files are blank
16:35 jkridner: mtytel: that is quite odd.
16:35 jkridner: mtytel: how many boots have you done?
16:36 mtytel: i think this is number 4
16:36 bradfa: I'm pretty sure the eMMC data sheet needs a micron login, but the JEDEC standard should be available
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16:36 mru: ah, it's only certified for 3 boots
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16:37 mtytel: ha.
16:38 mru: bradfa: does it need manual approval or just a signup?
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16:39 bradfa: mru, signup but can't be from a gmail or similar (last time I checked)
16:44 mranostay: bradfa: student email to the rescue
16:44 mru: yeah, signup + clickwrap agreement
16:44 bradfa: mranostay, I'm pretty sure you can use your intel email...
16:44 mru: my personal email worked fine
16:44 bradfa: mru, does it end in @gmail.com?
16:44 mru: no
16:44 bradfa: well...
16:45 mru: why would it?
16:45 mru: that wouldn't be very personal
16:45 bradfa: puts on tin hat
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16:47 mranostay: NSA sees all
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17:17 Russ: but can it see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
17:18 mranostay: +1
17:18 mranostay: silly rabbit
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17:29 sicer: Do you know the read and write speed of the eMMC on the BBB?
17:29 mru: try and find out
17:30 mrpackethead: cinamon-toast-cape
17:31 mru: at a previous job I worked on a set-top box we nicknamed 'the toaster'
17:32 mru: I had one running on my desk for a couple of years
17:32 mru: when I first got it, I also got a shiny new, white smartcard to use with it
17:33 mru: when I removed it after those years, it had a nice, golden-brown colour
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17:40 joel_: a set top box that creates gold!
17:40 joel_: ;)
17:41 mru: for directv it sure did
17:41 mru: their first HD box
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17:45 joel_: heh
17:45 mranostay: sicer: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/30
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17:59 mranostay: how is joel_
17:59 mranostay: 's liver
18:00 mru: pretty good with a nice chianti </hannibal>
18:01 joel_: mranostay, owwiiee
18:02 djlewis: funny stuff
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18:03 mranostay: Joel's Liver... that would be good indie band name
18:05 mranostay: djlewis: all fun and games until you wake up in a mexican hotel bathroom..
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18:11 emeb: so apparently Engineering is the process of taking all the fun out of everything.
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18:14 mranostay: emeb: yes TIL
18:15 mtytel: can anyone recommend a good audio interface for the beaglebone black?
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18:16 mranostay: i forget does the HDMI audio not work?
18:17 mtytel: no i believe it works
18:18 mranostay: there you go
18:18 mranostay: or you can get the audio cape
18:18 mtytel: i'm looking for input, but i don't think the hdmi audio works
18:18 mtytel: audio in i mean
18:18 mru: emeb: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/45
18:18 mru: hdmi is only output
18:22 mtytel: i want to go pretty good quality so i was thinking about getting a usb sound card.
18:22 emeb: audio cape is specifically incompatible with BBB
18:23 emeb: probably collides with the on-board HDMI or something.
18:23 emeb: and yeah - hdmi audio doesn't include input.
18:23 emeb: so if you need audio input, better get a USB audio I/O dongle
18:24 emeb: those generally work fine.
18:24 mtytel: yea ok, i'll try that route.
18:24 mtytel: i tried plugging in my scarlett 2i2
18:25 mtytel: but it didn't turn on,
18:26 mranostay: usb and audio don't really go togather
18:26 emeb: huh?
18:26 mranostay: then again USB sucks period
18:27 mtytel: yea huh?
18:28 mtytel: i think if you want good, low noise input you always get a dedicated external sound card and send the data over usb
18:28 mtytel: the actual audio doesn't go over usb.
18:28 mranostay: data over usb?
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18:29 mtytel: the analog to digital converter is on the external sound card. once it's digital then it's sent over usb
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18:30 mranostay: you mean the DAC is on the sound card
18:30 mtytel: i meant the ADC is on the sound card, but so is the DAC
18:31 georgem_home: beer is in my hand
18:32 mranostay: beer or "beer"
18:33 mru: bear
18:33 georgem_home: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117442282451472253219/posts/3hZrEgEfPE5
18:36 georgem_home: Drinkin some Pabst at the moment. Got a six of http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/free-state-octoberfest/2942/ but its not cold yet
18:36 emeb: beer with me
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18:44 mtytel: hmm.. my usb port doesn't seem to work
18:44 mranostay: georgem_home: Pabst what are you a hipster?
18:44 mru: that's why they call it usb
18:44 mranostay: useless serial bus?
18:44 mru: it's not actually connected, but since nobody expects usb to work, it doesn't matter
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18:45 mranostay: georgem_home: have any of the Beast in your fridge as well
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18:46 mtytel: u serious bro?
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18:46 mranostay: mru rarely jokes
18:46 mranostay: or was that _av500_ .. bah
18:47 mru: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/91
18:47 mranostay: at this point i think 26+26 is a living entity
18:49 georgem_home: mranostay: heh, no I'm not but PBR definately is a hipster beer although less terrible than most at the same price point. Once I get my home brew stuff up this moral dilemma will be a thing of the past.
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18:51 mranostay: thinks 26+26 needs to be a forture package
18:51 mranostay: *fortune even
18:51 georgem_home: you mean like fortune cookies?
18:52 mranostay: georgem_home: you know what the fortune command does right?
18:52 georgem_home: yeah
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18:54 slothoholic: Hello! Quick question: If I wanted to replicate the stock beaglebone black kernel/rootfs build procedure would I use the "setup-scripts" on the Angstrom Distro GitHub?
18:54 mranostay: heh first entry returned "You worry too much about your job.  Stop it.  You are not paid enough to worry."
18:54 prpplague: slothoholic: yes
18:54 wmat: buzzes by on his stealth ski-doo
18:54 mranostay: thinks that is for prpplague
18:55 georgem_home: mranostay: You may not be paid enough to worry but if you don't succeed you may get paid enough to be laid off.
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18:56 slothoholic: prpplague: thanks
18:56 georgem_home: munches on some of the new Sriracha Lays Chips
18:57 mtytel: i see, no hot plugging usb.
18:58 mranostay: georgem_home: resureing there
18:59 mranostay: you are forgeting in big companies actual work doesn't matter
19:00 georgem_home: mranostay: possibly true, I don't work for a big company so I wouldn't really know.
19:01 mru: it's true
19:01 mru: and mranostay works for a company _much_ bigger than any I've ever worked for
19:01 georgem_home: yeah. I've interviewed there. They apparently have a good track record when it comes to not laying people off.
19:02 mru: that just means they have other ways of making people leave
19:02 georgem_home: yes, true
19:03 mranostay: georgem_home: and means the people that can't work anywhere else stay :)
19:04 georgem_home: heh
19:04 georgem_home: no. thats government employement
19:05 mru: so you end up with a huge collection of wallys and miltons
19:05 mranostay: isn't commenting on that
19:05 georgem_home: yeah... its kind of nice to work somewhere that doesn't mind cleaning house
19:06 mranostay: georgem_home: well two employers ago that place had no problem doing it :)
19:06 mranostay: just they never fired the management staff ever
19:06 georgem_home: heh
19:06 mru: and ex-employer of mine did that
19:06 mru: fired a bunch of very good people
19:07 georgem_home: If they fire good people then they are just dumb shits.
19:07 mru: they were indeed
19:10 georgem_home: My dad got laid off once. He ended up working for the company that occupied the building of first said company after it epic failed.
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19:17 mranostay: georgem_home: you work for a startup in Kansas?
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19:30 brimestone: hey guys.. so i want to get into C++ with Angstrom.. what is the best IDE for writing cpp with BeagleBone black?
19:31 Rickta59: on the BBB ? or cross compiling brimestone ?
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19:31 brimestone: i dont know.
19:31 brimestone: which one is ideal?
19:31 Rickta59: ideal depends on your background
19:32 Rickta59: and what you want to do
19:32 brimestone: well..
19:32 brimestone: background??
19:32 Rickta59: your programming knowledge
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19:33 brimestone: oh? i did C in Com Engineering longgggg time ago..
19:33 brimestone: i do a lot of PHP, jQuery, bash....
19:33 Rickta59: do you use eclipse?
19:33 brimestone: for bash i use textEdit
19:33 brimestone: for web stuff i ust good old dreamweaver code view
19:34 Rickta59: so you are mostly windows based?
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19:34 Rickta59: or mac?
19:34 brimestone: Mac
19:34 brimestone: and ubuntu servers
19:34 Rickta59: how do you edit stuff over there?
19:34 Rickta59: ssh / vi / emacs?
19:35 brimestone: but computer hardware wise, im all apple stuff? even though i hate apple
19:35 brimestone: ssh/pico a lot
19:35 brimestone: lately vi and nano with BBB
19:35 Rickta59: so you want and ide to do what for you?
19:35 Rickta59: code completion?
19:36 brimestone: well.. i want to basically to eventually write Helicopter hardware stuff
19:36 brimestone: IMU.. type stuff? ( this is a hobby )
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19:37 Rickta59: you might look at the userspace-arduino stuff
19:37 Rickta59: not sure if they are setup for mac but you might push them in that direction
19:37 tinyfi: Hi All, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if any of the WiFi capes work with the Black? I have checked the pinouts and they appear to be the same, but there is a note about compatibility on the listing.
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19:38 brimestone: arduino???
19:38 Rickta59: right now it is makefiles
19:38 Rickta59: but i think the goal is to be able to use the arduino ide
19:39 Rickta59: well energia but same thing
19:39 brimestone: really??
19:39 brimestone: whats it called?
19:39 Rickta59: http://elinux.org/Userspace_Arduino:Libraries
19:39 brimestone: i use to play with Arduino.. but got board with it
19:40 Rickta59: you will need an angstrom cross compiler for the mac
19:40 ka6sox: does not exist
19:41 Rickta59: does bitbake work on mac?
19:41 brimestone: Ohhh then use the Arduino IDE to upload it???
19:41 mru: canadian cross compilers are the best, right wmat?
19:41 ka6sox: Rickta59, nope..not last time I checked...I will ask a few folks
19:41 ka6sox: mru, thats right "A"
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19:43 Rickta59: you can develop right on the BBB
19:45 mru: I need to collect the best of those 'you are not an embedded developer' I did a couple of years ago...
19:45 ka6sox: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/167
19:45 mru: is it really good form to post links to your own quotes?
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19:46 ka6sox: I guess I could just requote it
19:47 mranostay: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/187
19:47 mru: heh
19:50 Rickta59: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/150
19:51 mru: http://26-26-54.hardwarebug.org/151
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19:53 mru: mranostay: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VGsreexPmwc/TBqjjI__fUI/AAAAAAAAA9g/Ll3hzo52-0w/s1600/17.jpg
19:54 mranostay: SFW?
19:54 mru: yes
19:55 mru: at least for my current W
19:55 mru: :)
19:55 mranostay: heh only thing worse is a small company that is ran like a big one
19:55 mru: small companies wanting/pretending to be big are hell indeed
19:56 mranostay: last one was like that
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20:08 mru: mranostay: this one may be ever so slightly nsfw: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VGsreexPmwc/TEWmK29n9UI/AAAAAAAABGw/yb6nd3YBSWc/s1600/36.jpg
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21:11 iyoko: hello?
21:11 iyoko: does anyone know if you need to be plugged in with a power adapter to get full cpu usage out of the beagle bone black?
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21:16 Topic: http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient
21:16 jkridner set the topic at: Jun 14, 2013 4:37 PM
21:16 Mode: +ct
21:16 Created at: Jan 30, 2010 2:48 AM
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21:25 Topic: http://beagleboard.org/chat has a guide on how to ask questions and links to the logs | never ask to ask, just ask | be patient
21:25 jkridner set the topic at: Jun 14, 2013 4:37 PM
21:25 Mode: +ct
21:25 Created at: Jan 30, 2010 2:48 AM
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21:37 ds2: Grrrrrr the am335x PM setup is screwy
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21:37 ds2: i miss the omap3's simple PRCM connection
21:41 Russ: hehe, welcome to the jungle
21:45 ds2: geez thanks
21:45 ds2: is pr1_uart0 same as uart0?
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21:53 ds2: another reason to not support the cap standards
21:53 ds2: cape
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22:08 mranostay: mru: nice one
22:16 Lee201: hey, i was in here about this time yesterday, and jkridner helped me out with the Angstrom setup scripts.  it worked, but i'm looking to save the conversation for future reference.  it appears i don't have logging enabled on this client.  does anyone happen to have the log from yesterday?
22:17 jkridner: http://beagleboard.org/chat
22:17 Lee201: perfect. thanks!
22:17 jkridner: urgh...
22:17 jkridner: logs down... let me see if I can get them back up.
22:18 jkridner: nslug logs http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/beagle/beagle.20130818.txt
22:18 mranostay: jkridner: really?
22:18 mranostay: i love javascript!
22:18 jkridner: ?
22:18 mranostay: nodejs is the future!
22:18 jkridner: apache was serving them.
22:18 jkridner: apache went down.
22:18 mranostay: oh that
22:20 Lee201: heh...looks like it went down on 8/19 right when i asked my question
22:20 Lee201: anyone have a local log they'd be willing to pastebin or something?