[6/27/2015 10:04:08 AM] Gorski: FW rework might be shelfed or delayed a lot
[6/27/2015 10:04:59 AM] Gorski: I've made 1/12th Chermoas so far #soon :p
[6/27/2015 10:51:25 AM] KP: "Gorski - Today 18:04 > FW rework might be shelfed or delayed a lot" why?
[6/27/2015 10:51:38 AM] Gorski: I dont know just what ccp rise said
[6/27/2015 10:51:41 AM] Gorski: it was scheduled for winter
[6/27/2015 10:51:48 AM] Gorski: but it is delayed for 0.0 stuff I think
[6/27/2015 10:51:58 AM] Gorski: there might be some small fw changes on the way but no big rework
[6/27/2015 10:52:02 AM] Gorski: also talked about links with rise
[6/27/2015 10:52:15 AM] Gorski: he wants to remove them but cant because the rage from ppl or something
[6/27/2015 12:19:16 PM] C: what?
[6/27/2015 12:19:27 PM] C: I think that most people would be happy with the 100% removal of links
[6/27/2015 12:19:30 PM] C: at least most people that I talk with
[6/27/2015 12:19:37 PM] C: They are just straight up cancer tier
[6/27/2015 12:20:04 PM] Gorski: http://puu.sh/iEKJ5/2c81f99237.png FC
[6/27/2015 12:20:58 PM] C: C
[6/27/2015 12:21:12 PM] C: Funny thing is, I really don't find T3Ds to be that strong in a small gang situation
[6/27/2015 12:21:18 PM] C: they really need links and snakes to work imo
[6/27/2015 12:21:24 PM] Gorski: There is a lot of hate towards links
[2015-06-26 12:58:51] CCP Rise: but that is so complicated
[2015-06-26 12:58:59] CCP Rise: yea there is
[2015-06-26 12:59:04] CCP Rise: but there's also enormous investment in them
[2015-06-26 12:59:08] CCP Rise: i mean you're saying alts are everywhere
[2015-06-26 12:59:10] Gorski: Oh yeah its not easy to fix something that ppl have been using for a long time
[2015-06-26 12:59:17] CCP Rise: all those people owning them are going to be pissed
[2015-06-26 12:59:21] CCP Rise: or we have to compensate them
[2015-06-26 12:59:24] CCP Rise: which is very complicated
[2015-06-26 13:00:04] Gorski: You'd probably get less shit for removing the links then you got removing fleet warp to probes
[6/27/2015 12:21:29 PM] C: however in FW land, and for the frig PvP meta in general
[6/27/2015 12:21:31 PM] C: they are cancer
[6/27/2015 12:21:43 PM] N: There was enormous investment in supers too
[6/27/2015 12:21:55 PM] Gorski: [Friday, June 26, 2015 2:57 AM] CCP Rise:

<<< its just another of these changes that would be really healthy to the game but people would riot over
not literally
but it would be very hard to simple say 'we're removing these until we have a good technical solution'
similar to supers
[6/27/2015 12:23:21 PM] N: Meh
[6/27/2015 12:23:36 PM] C: well supers are a bit different imo
[6/27/2015 12:23:37 PM] N: Nobody compensated shit when Seleene/Abathur did the super redesign
[6/27/2015 12:23:41 PM] Gorski: I dont know supers dont want to talk that shit with rise
[6/27/2015 12:23:46 PM] N: Nobody will be compensating shit now that supers are useless in fozziesov
[6/27/2015 12:23:55 PM] C: some people have there entire lives riding on the fact that they are an internet spaceship super pilot
[6/27/2015 12:24:01 PM] Gorski: I'm so interested in what Affinity have in mind for the FW rework.
[2015-06-26 13:04:43] CCP Rise: I think you're writing is going to have a big impact
[2015-06-26 13:04:46] CCP Rise: your*
[2015-06-26 13:04:50] Gorski: Yeah I sent her it
[2015-06-26 13:05:05] CCP Rise: but also
[2015-06-26 13:05:06] Gorski: also my mission spreadsheet.
[2015-06-26 13:05:07] CCP Rise: between you and me
[2015-06-26 13:05:11] CCP Rise: i dont think that shit is going to happen
[2015-06-26 13:05:13] CCP Rise: at least not for a long time
[6/27/2015 12:24:13 PM] N: I've got a 90M SP that's going unsubbed, but I still think it's better for the game that way
[6/27/2015 12:24:23 PM] N: I'd rather unsub my super than see the game go stagnant
[6/27/2015 12:24:29 PM] C: jeez gorski
[6/27/2015 12:24:33 PM] C: rise talks to you quite a bit
[6/27/2015 12:24:55 PM] C: well game health comes secondary to the mouth breathe oppinions and their money
[6/27/2015 12:24:59 PM] C: sadly : /
[6/27/2015 12:28:11 PM] Gorski: Also if removing links would cause a outrage and unsubs why not give them a aggro timer as a start
[2015-06-26 13:18:00] CCP Rise: i think because then they cant jump gates when they are traveling with fleets
[2015-06-26 13:18:19] CCP Rise: i mean kind of just a smaller version of the same story
[2015-06-26 13:18:24] CCP Rise: people would be mad
[2015-06-26 13:18:27] CCP Rise: still not really fixed
[2015-06-26 13:19:02] Gorski: just kill them! :)
[6/27/2015 12:28:19 PM] Gorski: honestly I feel like the travel argument is pretty bad
[6/27/2015 12:28:42 PM] N: The travel argument IS bad honestly, but I see his point
[6/27/2015 12:29:09 PM] N: A better approach wouldn't be a full aggro timer
[6/27/2015 12:29:17 PM] N: but instead "can't warp/dock while the module's active"
[6/27/2015 12:29:28 PM] N: Because that way, if you warp to a gate, your links are already off by the time you land
[6/27/2015 12:29:36 PM] N: So you can travel with a fleet well enough
[6/27/2015 12:29:59 PM] N: But if you sit on a gate/station you have to wait for your cycle to end
[6/27/2015 12:30:06 PM] N: But then, that wouldn't change naything, really
[6/27/2015 12:30:32 PM] Gorski: I sent him that
[6/27/2015 12:30:35 PM] N: Everyone would just move to the same safespot hard-to-probe links that we currently use in null.
[6/27/2015 12:30:54 PM] N: It'd be less aids -- since you can generally only take 3-4 links in those fits -- but it'd still be aids.
[6/27/2015 12:39:29 PM] KP: aggro timer idea is shit because it further encourages 'camping' - as in, sitting within the same system
[6/27/2015 12:39:40 PM] KP: where you have shitton of bookmarks ready