[12:02 PM]
Phinx]:
	Hey, i saw you made kz_longjumps2 map for kzmod! Correct?

[12:14 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	yes thats correct
	hey :)

[12:17 PM]
Phinx]:
	Is it possible to revisit the map and make it improved? for kz_ljs2 port, i want it to be improved. I feel like the blocks and layout is great, i loved extra stuff you did there but the textures and design is very boring looking and for ljshows or just playing it looks off.
	Raptor is working on ljstats, so possible to have fresh longjumps world records on website. And it needs kinda very good strong map. This has great stuff, just needs improvements and i was wondering maybe we can work it out like just letting some pure designer to reskin the map or something, maybe you have time and want to try :x

[12:22 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	so, yes ive the vmf file here, so i (we?) can reedit it. sure. but im not sure why u want change the texture, i wont destroy the "feeling" from 1.6. ^^ but im open for ideas. did u talk about worldrecord on this map on xj or whats page?

[12:23 PM]
Phinx]:
	page is yet to be decided. Umm yea we should kinda get rid of 1.6 feeling, lots of maps already are like that and it needs to be more source engine push to make it as good as possible for new people who never touched the game

[12:27 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	a matter of taste, im not a huge friends from css porting maps with that overcrowd props / texturing. dunno :D it confuses me too much in a speedrun
	but yea how do you imagine that with kzlj2? should i send u the vmf or?

[12:28 PM]
Phinx]:
	the best option would be to give to someone who maybe has more experience with css mapping. I havent mapped since 2014 :|

[12:30 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	mhh yea besath and hardcore helped me on that map, both are amazing css mapper. dunno. they are satisfied and advise against doing more
	on that map
	also we trying some textured, but its hard to choose ^^

[12:31 PM]
Phinx]:
	we could try the theme i did for 1.6
	sorta metalish
	like you did but
	with other textures
	i mean my 1.6 map is super old and pretty shit
	ph_longjumps | Counter-Strike 1.6 Maps
	longjump map with new techniques... A Counter-Strike 1.6 (CS1.6) Map in the Climb category, by Phinx
	https://gamebanana.com/maps/175039

	the textures kinda looks nice and could work with better quality
	css
	ofc what i would like most would be sorta like kz_longjumps1
	from 1.6
	nature urban theme
	or some sorta cyberpunk 2077
	but thats wayy above my level to do

[12:34 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	yea i also loved that texture from kzlj1. but i doenst found any good texture from css for that map. ive port that also in kzlj2

[12:35 PM]
Phinx]:
	yea its easier to port kzljs2 and rework design
	than from kzljs1

[12:35 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	when was ur activ mapping time? i dont know why i never heard ur name before :o

[12:35 PM]
Phinx]:
	6years ago

[12:35 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	ah ok^^
	yea lucky that 8ball1 giving me original rmf
	mh lets see what i can do. im pretty tired atm with mapping :D but ill contact you again when ill start on kzlj2 again

[12:38 PM]
Phinx]:
	i feel like longjumps map has to be super good. Like top quality map, since it wont change and stay through years
	and it has to be beautiful for players for moviemakers
	not just nice but super good to make it work

[12:39 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	yea thats true :)
	pacMans longjumps
	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1ipiH6d5mY

[12:40 PM]
Phinx]:
	oh haha cool stuff

[12:40 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	abit old but cool for watching ^^

[12:41 PM]
Phinx]:
	heres what i did recently
	FREEFALL / LONGJUMPS SHOW / CS
	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Y1KNy1kbU

[12:42 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	ah yes, i saw that on xj really cool :D
	i love lj movies

[12:42 PM]
Phinx]:
	thats whyi want the map
	to be more than it is
	since now 1.6 kz ljs1 ljs2 map looks better than kzmods
	no harsh feelings, just its from design
	stand point
	and im fucking bad with design, all my maps look terrible. But there is always some mappers
	who are super creative and innovative
	in design
	and im like woah

[12:44 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	but im also terrible witth texture
	and we doenst find any mapper for that

[12:44 PM]
Phinx]:
	surRendi - ph_k_after (03:11.91 WR) [05-04-2018]
	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qaji6jM2tk

	 here ios the map
	i did with kicius
	and he did most of the design
	i wish he was still active
	he was so good with design lol
	i remember always being like wtf dude how

[12:45 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	haha

[12:46 PM]
Phinx]:
	kz_obscurity | Counter-Strike 1.6 Maps
	A Counter-Strike 1.6 (CS1.6) Map in the Climb category, by Kicius
	https://gamebanana.com/maps/181981

	deathrun_discovery | Counter-Strike 1.6 Maps
	Map for deathrun mode... A Counter-Strike 1.6 (CS1.6) Map in the Death Run category, by Kicius
	https://gamebanana.com/maps/167772

	and they are all like 6-4years old

[12:48 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	ah not bad
	ye never see any of this map
	played more from 2006-10

[12:57 PM]
Phinx]:
	so do you know anyone who is active and could try their ideas on redesign
	or you want to do itr

[12:58 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	most of the ethmo groups are mappers, ask them
	but at the moment i dont change anythink^^ its to much work
	and im tired atm from mapping

[12:58 PM]
Phinx]:
	yea sure. All good
	could u send me the vmf
	you did a lot already!

[1:00 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	yea give me some minutes

[1:01 PM]
Phinx]:
	Oki, leave a link here
	im out for few hours
	thanks a lot
	for a great chat

[1:01 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	allright
	no problem

[4:22 PM]
Phinx]:
	im back

[4:39 PM]
Phinx]:
	could you linke me the download link

[5:06 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	ye sorry forgot ^^ damn where is the rar
	mmh okay i create new one, give me 5min

[5:18 PM]
Phinx]:
	:steammocking:

[5:19 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	yea dunno why but i dont find my other .rar for friends ^^
	but here i created new one
	kzlj2.rar (416.09KB) - SendSpace.com
	Send, Receive, Track &amp; Share Your Big Files with SendSpace file sharing!
	https://www.sendspace.com/file/evsv5c

	but dont public any version without my permission pls

[5:23 PM]
Phinx]:
	ill just get a mapper to design
	it

[5:25 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	mmh okay but why u need the file then? the mapper should contact me then ^^
	i dont give permission to remake the map to anyone, im sorry about that

[5:27 PM]
Phinx]:
	oh, ok then ill ask 8ball

[5:29 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	mh lol.. ok try it but ive the full permission about the map now. and for kzmod
	and for sure im abit angry now. it looks like you want give a fuck on my theme, on my work and kicked me away

[5:33 PM]
Phinx]:
	what do you mean, you made the port. You get full credit for that as much as 8ball for original map

[5:40 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	yea... allright

[5:42 PM]
Phinx]:
	thank you so much

[5:43 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	mh no problem but for what

[5:59 PM]
Phinx]:
	any chance you have the original rmf?

[5:59 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	lol
	dont remake my map

[6:00 PM]
Phinx]:
	um why?

[6:02 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	.. lol i though we talk about that. i dont give any permission for that map to remake
	u can show me at some pictures
	sure

[6:02 PM]
Phinx]:
	i dont understand why would you hold them

[6:02 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	but no release
	because i worked alot on that. i asked alot people and they like that texture, u can show me maybe better ones on picture, then we can talk, but i dont allowed to remake my map. i worked pretty hard on it
	also with 8ball1
	its a team map, and then u come and say it looks terrible for moviemaking, u want another theme
	show me better theme, then we talk again

[6:04 PM]
Phinx]:
	why are you so insecure about this

[6:05 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	im not insecure

[6:05 PM]
Phinx]:
	better map - 1.6 kz longjumps2 longjumps1

[6:05 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	its my work

[6:05 PM]
Phinx]:
	yes, so whats bad about it making it better?

[6:06 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	hell, show me better texture, show me a room with better texture, then we can talk

[6:06 PM]
Phinx]:
	its not just texture, its making a theme, more structures etc

[6:06 PM]
pcm <insilio>:
	sometimes, u shouldn destroy a map
	ive added some nice props/structures into that
	but nah