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  3. Subtitles by explosiveskull
  4. akumenang.com
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  8. CLERK: "Katharine Teresa Gun,
  9.  
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  12. "you are charged
  13. with an offence
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  17. "contrary to Section 1,
  18. Subsection 1
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  22. "of the Official Secrets Act
  23. of 1989
  24.  
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  26. 00:01:08,533 --> 00:01:11,468
  27. "and that you did knowingly
  28. and intentionally
  29.  
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  31. 00:01:11,470 --> 00:01:14,270
  32. "disclose top secret
  33. intelligence information
  34.  
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  37. "contrary to the said act."
  38.  
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  40. 00:01:18,477 --> 00:01:21,010
  41. How do you plead?
  42.  
  43. 10
  44. 00:01:21,012 --> 00:01:23,148
  45. Guilty or not guilty?
  46.  
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  48. 00:01:36,062 --> 00:01:37,997
  49. (BED CREAKING)
  50.  
  51. 12
  52. 00:01:39,331 --> 00:01:40,831
  53. (KATHARINE LAUGHING)
  54.  
  55. 13
  56. 00:01:40,833 --> 00:01:43,532
  57. - YASAR: What?
  58. - KATHARINE: The neighbors will hear.
  59.  
  60. 14
  61. 00:01:43,534 --> 00:01:45,036
  62. YASAR: Let's move over.
  63.  
  64. 15
  65. 00:01:51,042 --> 00:01:52,544
  66. - Better?
  67. - Better.
  68.  
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  71. FROST: (ON TV) And what about the
  72. situation of persuading the people?
  73.  
  74. 17
  75. 00:02:04,322 --> 00:02:05,623
  76. Because it's very,
  77. to put it mildly
  78.  
  79. 18
  80. 00:02:05,625 --> 00:02:08,290
  81. uncomfortable to go to war
  82. with 73% against.
  83.  
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  86. TONY BLAIR: If people are being
  87. asked today do you support a war,
  88.  
  89. 20
  90. 00:02:11,196 --> 00:02:14,497
  91. my answer to that
  92. is we're not at war today.
  93.  
  94. 21
  95. 00:02:14,499 --> 00:02:16,734
  96. I think especially,
  97. obviously, if the UN pass
  98.  
  99. 22
  100. 00:02:16,736 --> 00:02:18,367
  101. the second resolution,
  102. as I believe they will
  103.  
  104. 23
  105. 00:02:18,369 --> 00:02:20,837
  106. if the inspectors carry on
  107. saying he's not cooperating,
  108.  
  109. 24
  110. 00:02:20,839 --> 00:02:22,772
  111. I think public opinion
  112. is in a different place.
  113.  
  114. 25
  115. 00:02:22,774 --> 00:02:25,541
  116. When your correspondent
  117. was saying
  118.  
  119. 26
  120. 00:02:25,543 --> 00:02:28,145
  121. the war is inevitable,
  122. war is not inevitable.
  123.  
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  125. 00:02:28,147 --> 00:02:29,913
  126. It depends on Saddam.
  127.  
  128. 28
  129. 00:02:29,915 --> 00:02:32,316
  130. If he cooperates
  131. with the inspectors,
  132.  
  133. 29
  134. 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:34,617
  135. if he says
  136. how much material he's got,
  137.  
  138. 30
  139. 00:02:34,619 --> 00:02:36,552
  140. if he cooperates fully
  141. with them,
  142.  
  143. 31
  144. 00:02:36,554 --> 00:02:37,654
  145. then the issue's over.
  146.  
  147. 32
  148. 00:02:37,656 --> 00:02:39,289
  149. But he's not doing that
  150. at the moment.
  151.  
  152. 33
  153. 00:02:39,291 --> 00:02:41,091
  154. Bloody liar.
  155.  
  156. 34
  157. 00:02:41,093 --> 00:02:42,925
  158. They're all
  159. bloody liars.
  160.  
  161. 35
  162. 00:02:42,927 --> 00:02:44,527
  163. You know, actually,
  164. I don't think they are.
  165.  
  166. 36
  167. 00:02:44,529 --> 00:02:46,163
  168. I don't think the weapons
  169. inspectors are lying.
  170.  
  171. 37
  172. 00:02:46,165 --> 00:02:47,531
  173. This and international
  174. terrorism
  175.  
  176. 38
  177. 00:02:47,533 --> 00:02:49,366
  178. are the two
  179. big security threats.
  180.  
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  183. - YASAR: Want coffee?
  184. - No, thanks.
  185.  
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  188. FROST: (ON TV) We were told,
  189. we were given to understand
  190.  
  191. 41
  192. 00:02:55,074 --> 00:02:57,439
  193. that what these inspectors
  194. were gonna come up with was
  195.  
  196. 42
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  198. evidence of weapons
  199. of mass destruction,
  200.  
  201. 43
  202. 00:03:01,247 --> 00:03:02,878
  203. chemical,
  204. biological and nuclear.
  205.  
  206. 44
  207. 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,782
  208. What we know is that
  209. he has this material.
  210.  
  211. 45
  212. 00:03:05,784 --> 00:03:07,850
  213. Oh, my God, we don't know that.
  214. We don't know that.
  215.  
  216. 46
  217. 00:03:07,852 --> 00:03:10,320
  218. I mean, he just keeps
  219. repeating the lie.
  220.  
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  222. 00:03:10,322 --> 00:03:12,656
  223. You sure it's a lie?
  224. Saddam's a psychopath.
  225.  
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  227. 00:03:12,658 --> 00:03:13,956
  228. Yeah, well, just because
  229. you're the Prime Minister,
  230.  
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  232. 00:03:13,958 --> 00:03:15,793
  233. it doesn't mean you get
  234. to make up your own facts.
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  238. FROST: (ON TV) Do you think
  239. you have the goods on him now?
  240.  
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  243. TONY BLAIR: I've got no doubt at all
  244. that he's developing these weapons
  245.  
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  247. 00:03:20,197 --> 00:03:21,500
  248. and that he poses a threat.
  249.  
  250. 53
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  252. - KATHARINE: Be at the cafe by 4:00.
  253. - I can fetch you at 5:00.
  254.  
  255. 54
  256. 00:03:36,148 --> 00:03:38,515
  257. No, no, no. I was gonna
  258. get the bus. I love you.
  259.  
  260. 55
  261. 00:03:38,517 --> 00:03:39,719
  262. Love you.
  263.  
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  265. 00:03:43,522 --> 00:03:45,156
  266. (BOTH SPEAKING MANDARIN)
  267.  
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  269. 00:03:49,059 --> 00:03:50,161
  270. (LAUGHS)
  271.  
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  274. (IN ENGLISH) Yes.
  275.  
  276. 59
  277. 00:03:52,664 --> 00:03:54,997
  278. You know he has a place
  279. in Devon.
  280.  
  281. 60
  282. 00:03:54,999 --> 00:03:57,567
  283. He wants to take me
  284. surfing with his dog.
  285.  
  286. 61
  287. 00:03:57,569 --> 00:03:59,535
  288. - Is that a bad thing?
  289. - No, it's a great dog.
  290.  
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  293. Okay.
  294.  
  295. 63
  296. 00:04:00,605 --> 00:04:01,937
  297. When was the last time
  298. you got away?
  299.  
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  301. 00:04:01,939 --> 00:04:03,507
  302. KATHARINE: Oh, don't know,
  303. three or four weeks ago.
  304.  
  305. 65
  306. 00:04:03,509 --> 00:04:04,908
  307. We went hiking
  308. in Yorkshire.
  309.  
  310. 66
  311. 00:04:04,910 --> 00:04:06,977
  312. MI-YUNG: Oh. Shall we all
  313. go hiking together?
  314.  
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  317. KATHARINE: Yeah, that would be lovely.
  318. With the dog?
  319.  
  320. 68
  321. 00:04:09,081 --> 00:04:10,082
  322. MI-YUNG: Mmm. (CHUCKLES)
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  326. Oh!
  327.  
  328. 70
  329. 00:04:23,095 --> 00:04:25,362
  330. Oh, thank you.
  331.  
  332. 71
  333. 00:04:25,364 --> 00:04:26,832
  334. I'm starving.
  335.  
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  337. 00:04:28,533 --> 00:04:30,634
  338. I've been here
  339. since 5:00,
  340.  
  341. 73
  342. 00:04:30,636 --> 00:04:32,435
  343. listening to
  344. a Russian embassy staffer
  345.  
  346. 74
  347. 00:04:32,437 --> 00:04:34,670
  348. trying to bribe
  349. a North Korean defector
  350.  
  351. 75
  352. 00:04:34,672 --> 00:04:36,506
  353. who's been downloading
  354. some kinky shit.
  355.  
  356. 76
  357. 00:04:36,508 --> 00:04:39,543
  358. - Very arousing few hours.
  359. - You're disgusting.
  360.  
  361. 77
  362. 00:04:39,545 --> 00:04:41,577
  363. (LAUGHS) It's for
  364. the Queen and country.
  365.  
  366. 78
  367. 00:04:41,579 --> 00:04:43,245
  368. MI6 thought the Korean
  369. was one of ours.
  370.  
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  372. 00:04:43,247 --> 00:04:44,581
  373. I just proved he's not.
  374.  
  375. 80
  376. 00:04:44,583 --> 00:04:47,716
  377. GCHQ, 1. MI6, 0.
  378.  
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  380. 00:04:47,718 --> 00:04:49,019
  381. FIONA: Katharine.
  382.  
  383. 82
  384. 00:04:49,021 --> 00:04:50,987
  385. I need your Beijing report
  386. for the Foreign Office.
  387.  
  388. 83
  389. 00:04:50,989 --> 00:04:53,023
  390. They start trade talks
  391. next week.
  392.  
  393. 84
  394. 00:04:53,025 --> 00:04:54,025
  395. Yeah, on it.
  396.  
  397. 85
  398. 00:04:58,263 --> 00:05:00,131
  399. (KEYBOARD CLACKING)
  400.  
  401. 86
  402. 00:05:04,336 --> 00:05:07,072
  403. (MAN SPEAKING MANDARIN
  404. ON AUDIO FILE)
  405.  
  406. 87
  407. 00:05:22,054 --> 00:05:23,122
  408. (MESSAGE DINGS)
  409.  
  410. 88
  411. 00:05:40,973 --> 00:05:43,006
  412. (READING)
  413. "As you've likely heard by now
  414.  
  415. 89
  416. 00:05:43,008 --> 00:05:45,274
  417. "the Agency is mounting
  418. a surge
  419.  
  420. 90
  421. 00:05:45,276 --> 00:05:48,845
  422. "particularly directed at the
  423. UN Security Council members
  424.  
  425. 91
  426. 00:05:48,847 --> 00:05:51,213
  427. "minus US and Great Britain,
  428. of course
  429.  
  430. 92
  431. 00:05:51,215 --> 00:05:54,417
  432. "for insights as to how
  433. membership is reacting
  434.  
  435. 93
  436. 00:05:54,419 --> 00:05:56,752
  437. "to the ongoing debate
  438. RE Iraq.
  439.  
  440. 94
  441. 00:05:56,754 --> 00:06:00,156
  442. "That means
  443. a QRC surge effort to revive,
  444.  
  445. 95
  446. 00:06:00,158 --> 00:06:04,427
  447. "create efforts against
  448. UN Security Council members,
  449.  
  450. 96
  451. 00:06:04,429 --> 00:06:07,331
  452. "Angola, Cameroon,
  453.  
  454. 97
  455. 00:06:07,333 --> 00:06:10,670
  456. "Chile, Bulgaria and Guinea."
  457.  
  458. 98
  459. 00:06:21,047 --> 00:06:22,047
  460. (SOFTLY) Andy.
  461.  
  462. 99
  463. 00:06:23,282 --> 00:06:25,051
  464. Did you get this NSA e-mail?
  465.  
  466. 100
  467. 00:06:26,852 --> 00:06:28,552
  468. Are the Yanks really asking
  469. us to dig up personal shit
  470.  
  471. 101
  472. 00:06:28,554 --> 00:06:31,021
  473. on UN Security Council
  474. delegates?
  475.  
  476. 102
  477. 00:06:31,023 --> 00:06:33,555
  478. "They want
  479. the whole gamut of info
  480.  
  481. 103
  482. 00:06:33,557 --> 00:06:35,757
  483. "that could give
  484. US policy makers an edge
  485.  
  486. 104
  487. 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:38,728
  488. "in obtaining results
  489. favorable to US goals."
  490.  
  491. 105
  492. 00:06:38,730 --> 00:06:41,098
  493. Christ, they wanna
  494. fix the vote.
  495.  
  496. 106
  497. 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,899
  498. "This effort will probably
  499. peak in the middle of next week
  500.  
  501. 107
  502. 00:06:43,901 --> 00:06:46,336
  503. "following the Secretary
  504. of State's presentation
  505.  
  506. 108
  507. 00:06:46,338 --> 00:06:48,273
  508. "to the UN Security Council."
  509.  
  510. 109
  511. 00:06:50,509 --> 00:06:52,776
  512. Powell's gonna
  513. argue for war.
  514.  
  515. 110
  516. 00:06:52,778 --> 00:06:54,476
  517. And they're gonna blackmail
  518. the smaller nations
  519.  
  520. 111
  521. 00:06:54,478 --> 00:06:57,213
  522. to make sure
  523. they get it. Fuck.
  524.  
  525. 112
  526. 00:06:57,215 --> 00:06:59,716
  527. Excuse me.
  528. (CLEARS THROAT) Question.
  529.  
  530. 113
  531. 00:06:59,718 --> 00:07:00,783
  532. FIONA: Yeah.
  533.  
  534. 114
  535. 00:07:00,785 --> 00:07:01,987
  536. (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
  537.  
  538. 115
  539. 00:07:05,756 --> 00:07:08,858
  540. Uh, this NSA memo,
  541. our people approved it?
  542.  
  543. 116
  544. 00:07:08,860 --> 00:07:10,560
  545. Yes, that's why
  546. it's been forwarded.
  547.  
  548. 117
  549. 00:07:10,562 --> 00:07:13,730
  550. The Americans want us to help
  551. them get a UN resolution for war?
  552.  
  553. 118
  554. 00:07:13,732 --> 00:07:15,464
  555. By next week?
  556.  
  557. 119
  558. 00:07:15,466 --> 00:07:17,736
  559. It's a joint
  560. UK/USA operation.
  561.  
  562. 120
  563. 00:07:18,937 --> 00:07:21,206
  564. UKUSA. Right.
  565. Got it.
  566.  
  567. 121
  568. 00:07:28,112 --> 00:07:30,949
  569. Hey, (CLEARS THROAT)
  570. ours not to reason why.
  571.  
  572. 122
  573. 00:07:32,050 --> 00:07:33,617
  574. Everything good today,
  575. Mrs. Archer?
  576.  
  577. 123
  578. 00:07:33,619 --> 00:07:35,651
  579. Yes, thank you. Very good.
  580. Very, very good.
  581.  
  582. 124
  583. 00:07:35,653 --> 00:07:37,220
  584. I'll see you again
  585. tomorrow, yes?
  586.  
  587. 125
  588. 00:07:37,222 --> 00:07:38,224
  589. Yes.
  590.  
  591. 126
  592. 00:07:39,425 --> 00:07:41,192
  593. Thank you, dear.
  594.  
  595. 127
  596. 00:07:41,792 --> 00:07:44,162
  597. - YASAR: Hey.
  598. - Hey.
  599.  
  600. 128
  601. 00:07:46,465 --> 00:07:47,767
  602. You okay?
  603.  
  604. 129
  605. 00:07:49,066 --> 00:07:51,834
  606. Yeah, it's been
  607. a long day.
  608.  
  609. 130
  610. 00:07:51,836 --> 00:07:55,172
  611. I need ten minutes.
  612. Want something to eat?
  613.  
  614. 131
  615. 00:07:55,174 --> 00:07:56,208
  616. No.
  617.  
  618. 132
  619. 00:07:57,175 --> 00:07:58,641
  620. You working
  621. this weekend?
  622.  
  623. 133
  624. 00:07:58,643 --> 00:08:00,410
  625. Could we go somewhere,
  626. get out of town?
  627.  
  628. 134
  629. 00:08:00,412 --> 00:08:03,480
  630. Sorry, janum,
  631. I'll get next weekend for sure.
  632.  
  633. 135
  634. 00:08:03,482 --> 00:08:06,548
  635. REPORTER: (ON TV) A question
  636. for the President if I may.
  637.  
  638. 136
  639. 00:08:06,550 --> 00:08:10,687
  640. What is the status, in your
  641. view, of any second resolution?
  642.  
  643. 137
  644. 00:08:10,689 --> 00:08:12,288
  645. Is it something
  646. that you think is worth
  647.  
  648. 138
  649. 00:08:12,290 --> 00:08:16,259
  650. spending time and energy
  651. trying to assemble?
  652.  
  653. 139
  654. 00:08:16,261 --> 00:08:17,994
  655. PRESIDENT BUSH: Just let me
  656. reiterate what I just said.
  657.  
  658. 140
  659. 00:08:17,996 --> 00:08:19,865
  660. This is a matter of weeks,
  661. not months.
  662.  
  663. 141
  664. 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,067
  665. Any attempt to drag
  666. the process on for months
  667.  
  668. 142
  669. 00:08:24,069 --> 00:08:26,002
  670. will be resisted
  671. by the United States.
  672.  
  673. 143
  674. 00:08:26,004 --> 00:08:28,538
  675. - Can we watch something else?
  676. - No, no, this is important.
  677.  
  678. 144
  679. 00:08:28,540 --> 00:08:32,307
  680. PRESIDENT BUSH: Secretary
  681. Powell will make a strong case
  682.  
  683. 145
  684. 00:08:32,309 --> 00:08:35,546
  685. about the danger
  686. of an armed Saddam Hussein
  687.  
  688. 146
  689. 00:08:35,548 --> 00:08:38,682
  690. and he will also talk
  691. about Al-Qaeda links.
  692.  
  693. 147
  694. 00:08:38,684 --> 00:08:40,517
  695. Come on, there are
  696. no credible links
  697.  
  698. 148
  699. 00:08:40,519 --> 00:08:41,985
  700. between Saddam
  701. and Al-Qaeda.
  702.  
  703. 149
  704. 00:08:41,987 --> 00:08:43,820
  705. PRESIDENT BUSH: ...really
  706. do portend a danger...
  707.  
  708. 150
  709. 00:08:43,822 --> 00:08:45,254
  710. - I'll turn it off.
  711. - No, no, no, no, no.
  712.  
  713. 151
  714. 00:08:45,256 --> 00:08:46,355
  715. Please,
  716. I need to watch this.
  717.  
  718. 152
  719. 00:08:46,357 --> 00:08:47,724
  720. I need to know
  721. what they're saying.
  722.  
  723. 153
  724. 00:08:47,726 --> 00:08:49,926
  725. I mean, yes.
  726. Yes, Saddam is a dictator,
  727.  
  728. 154
  729. 00:08:49,928 --> 00:08:51,394
  730. but he is not
  731. a religious nut.
  732.  
  733. 155
  734. 00:08:51,396 --> 00:08:53,730
  735. I mean, why would
  736. he risk arming Al-Qaeda
  737.  
  738. 156
  739. 00:08:53,732 --> 00:08:56,666
  740. and have them turn against him?
  741. It doesn't make any sense!
  742.  
  743. 157
  744. 00:08:56,668 --> 00:08:57,933
  745. Fine, but yelling
  746. at the TV
  747.  
  748. 158
  749. 00:08:57,935 --> 00:08:59,769
  750. isn't going to make
  751. any difference.
  752.  
  753. 159
  754. 00:08:59,771 --> 00:09:02,672
  755. They can't bloody
  756. hear you.
  757.  
  758. 160
  759. 00:09:02,674 --> 00:09:04,206
  760. - Where you going?
  761. - To read a book.
  762.  
  763. 161
  764. 00:09:04,208 --> 00:09:06,509
  765. PRESIDENT BUSH: You see,
  766. my vision shifted dramatically
  767.  
  768. 162
  769. 00:09:06,511 --> 00:09:08,010
  770. after September 11.
  771.  
  772. 163
  773. 00:09:08,012 --> 00:09:09,379
  774. I realized
  775. the world has changed.
  776.  
  777. 164
  778. 00:09:09,381 --> 00:09:11,913
  779. My most important obligation
  780. is to protect
  781.  
  782. 165
  783. 00:09:11,915 --> 00:09:14,083
  784. the American people
  785. from further harm.
  786.  
  787. 166
  788. 00:09:14,085 --> 00:09:16,020
  789. And I will do that.
  790.  
  791. 167
  792. 00:09:16,854 --> 00:09:18,289
  793. Thank you all very much.
  794.  
  795. 168
  796. 00:09:20,657 --> 00:09:21,960
  797. (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING)
  798.  
  799. 169
  800. 00:09:27,098 --> 00:09:29,432
  801. - Love you.
  802. - Love you.
  803.  
  804. 170
  805. 00:09:29,434 --> 00:09:31,403
  806. Don't forget to check
  807. in at the station.
  808.  
  809. 171
  810. 00:09:32,636 --> 00:09:34,236
  811. What are you gonna do?
  812.  
  813. 172
  814. 00:09:34,238 --> 00:09:37,573
  815. I don't know.
  816. Read a book. (GIGGLES)
  817.  
  818. 173
  819. 00:09:37,575 --> 00:09:39,110
  820. I'll be back
  821. by 7:00 latest.
  822.  
  823. 174
  824. 00:09:42,814 --> 00:09:44,049
  825. (CAR ENGINE STARTS)
  826.  
  827. 175
  828. 00:09:54,793 --> 00:09:57,363
  829. - Mr. Gun. Signing in?
  830. - YASAR: Yes, thank you.
  831.  
  832. 176
  833. 00:09:57,795 --> 00:09:58,997
  834. (BELL BUZZES)
  835.  
  836. 177
  837. 00:10:02,534 --> 00:10:04,600
  838. OFFICER: When will you know
  839. if you can stay?
  840.  
  841. 178
  842. 00:10:04,602 --> 00:10:05,936
  843. They don't say.
  844.  
  845. 179
  846. 00:10:05,938 --> 00:10:07,504
  847. Could be weeks.
  848. Could be months.
  849.  
  850. 180
  851. 00:10:07,506 --> 00:10:09,505
  852. You never know with
  853. immigration, do you?
  854.  
  855. 181
  856. 00:10:09,507 --> 00:10:11,541
  857. - I know.
  858. - Thank you.
  859.  
  860. 182
  861. 00:10:11,543 --> 00:10:13,178
  862. Hi, Jasmine, it's Kath.
  863.  
  864. 183
  865. 00:10:14,045 --> 00:10:16,312
  866. Uh, are you around today?
  867.  
  868. 184
  869. 00:10:16,314 --> 00:10:18,349
  870. I'd love to come and see you.
  871.  
  872. 185
  873. 00:10:23,921 --> 00:10:25,554
  874. - Kath.
  875. - KATHARINE: Hi.
  876.  
  877. 186
  878. 00:10:25,556 --> 00:10:27,325
  879. Oh, come here.
  880.  
  881. 187
  882. 00:10:29,026 --> 00:10:30,559
  883. KATHARINE: Hello.
  884.  
  885. 188
  886. 00:10:30,561 --> 00:10:32,562
  887. Targeting who?
  888.  
  889. 189
  890. 00:10:32,564 --> 00:10:34,898
  891. The UN Security Council.
  892.  
  893. 190
  894. 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:36,265
  895. Particularly
  896. the non-permanent members
  897.  
  898. 191
  899. 00:10:36,267 --> 00:10:38,335
  900. who could swing the vote
  901. in favor of war.
  902.  
  903. 192
  904. 00:10:38,337 --> 00:10:39,338
  905. Jesus.
  906.  
  907. 193
  908. 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,940
  909. Maybe it's time
  910. to quit.
  911.  
  912. 194
  913. 00:10:43,942 --> 00:10:45,607
  914. You know, they say
  915. if you stay at GCHQ
  916.  
  917. 195
  918. 00:10:45,609 --> 00:10:48,277
  919. for more than five years,
  920. you never leave.
  921.  
  922. 196
  923. 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,046
  924. I've still got
  925. two to go then.
  926.  
  927. 197
  928. 00:10:50,048 --> 00:10:51,880
  929. So you've still
  930. got a conscience.
  931.  
  932. 198
  933. 00:10:51,882 --> 00:10:53,184
  934. (LAUGHS)
  935.  
  936. 199
  937. 00:10:54,184 --> 00:10:56,220
  938. Are you still organizing
  939. against the war?
  940.  
  941. 200
  942. 00:10:59,391 --> 00:11:02,158
  943. Does GCHQ have a problem
  944. with that?
  945.  
  946. 201
  947. 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,663
  948. - What? No.
  949. - Give me your phone.
  950.  
  951. 202
  952. 00:11:08,032 --> 00:11:10,832
  953. I've already
  954. taken the battery out.
  955.  
  956. 203
  957. 00:11:10,834 --> 00:11:14,073
  958. - I called you from a payphone.
  959. - Sorry.
  960.  
  961. 204
  962. 00:11:17,476 --> 00:11:18,577
  963. Go on.
  964.  
  965. 205
  966. 00:11:22,479 --> 00:11:23,748
  967. I just thought...
  968.  
  969. 206
  970. 00:11:26,516 --> 00:11:29,318
  971. ...if I could get you
  972. a copy of the memo,
  973.  
  974. 207
  975. 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,087
  976. then maybe you could get
  977. somebody to look it over.
  978.  
  979. 208
  980. 00:11:32,089 --> 00:11:33,355
  981. I don't know,
  982. a journalist,
  983.  
  984. 209
  985. 00:11:33,357 --> 00:11:35,325
  986. someone
  987. in the anti-war movement.
  988.  
  989. 210
  990. 00:11:35,327 --> 00:11:37,494
  991. Look, if the press think
  992. it's nothing, fine.
  993.  
  994. 211
  995. 00:11:37,496 --> 00:11:39,430
  996. At least
  997. my conscience is clear.
  998.  
  999. 212
  1000. 00:11:40,531 --> 00:11:42,565
  1001. Your conscience?
  1002.  
  1003. 213
  1004. 00:11:42,567 --> 00:11:45,235
  1005. Kat, you're asking me
  1006. to collude in a breach
  1007.  
  1008. 214
  1009. 00:11:45,237 --> 00:11:48,473
  1010. of the Official Secrets Act.
  1011. Some call that treason.
  1012.  
  1013. 215
  1014. 00:11:50,242 --> 00:11:53,309
  1015. I am not trying to overthrow
  1016. my government.
  1017.  
  1018. 216
  1019. 00:11:53,311 --> 00:11:57,447
  1020. I just think if someone
  1021. in the press saw it,
  1022.  
  1023. 217
  1024. 00:11:57,449 --> 00:11:59,916
  1025. they might ask more questions
  1026. about what the Americans
  1027.  
  1028. 218
  1029. 00:11:59,918 --> 00:12:01,754
  1030. are asking
  1031. this country to do.
  1032.  
  1033. 219
  1034. 00:12:23,375 --> 00:12:26,109
  1035. ANDY: Hey, Kat,
  1036. they're sending me and Dan to London
  1037.  
  1038. 220
  1039. 00:12:26,111 --> 00:12:27,346
  1040. to learn Farsi.
  1041.  
  1042. 221
  1043. 00:12:27,945 --> 00:12:30,145
  1044. Wow, Farsi. Congrats.
  1045.  
  1046. 222
  1047. 00:12:30,147 --> 00:12:32,313
  1048. - How many languages now?
  1049. - Eight.
  1050.  
  1051. 223
  1052. 00:12:32,315 --> 00:12:33,917
  1053. She's a freakin'
  1054. super spy.
  1055.  
  1056. 224
  1057. 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:35,817
  1058. FIONA: Andy, where's
  1059. my Pyongyang report?
  1060.  
  1061. 225
  1062. 00:12:35,819 --> 00:12:38,122
  1063. - Ah, one more hour.
  1064. - FIONA: Yeah, just get it done.
  1065.  
  1066. 226
  1067. 00:12:38,957 --> 00:12:40,923
  1068. - When do you leave?
  1069. - Two weeks.
  1070.  
  1071. 227
  1072. 00:12:40,925 --> 00:12:42,627
  1073. You'll have to
  1074. come visit me.
  1075.  
  1076. 228
  1077. 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:16,227
  1078. (ZIP DRIVE WHIRRING)
  1079.  
  1080. 229
  1081. 00:13:21,232 --> 00:13:22,601
  1082. (ZIP DRIVE BEEPING)
  1083.  
  1084. 230
  1085. 00:14:20,157 --> 00:14:21,659
  1086. (PRINTER WHIRRING)
  1087.  
  1088. 231
  1089. 00:14:30,668 --> 00:14:32,735
  1090. FIONA: Is that
  1091. the Foreign Office report?
  1092.  
  1093. 232
  1094. 00:14:32,737 --> 00:14:34,504
  1095. - Uh, it's a rough draft.
  1096. - Well, finish it.
  1097.  
  1098. 233
  1099. 00:14:34,506 --> 00:14:36,139
  1100. Defense section
  1101. needs extra hands.
  1102.  
  1103. 234
  1104. 00:14:36,141 --> 00:14:38,073
  1105. I said I'd send you
  1106. over there this afternoon.
  1107.  
  1108. 235
  1109. 00:14:38,075 --> 00:14:39,277
  1110. Okay, will do.
  1111.  
  1112. 236
  1113. 00:14:54,592 --> 00:14:56,958
  1114. What we're giving you
  1115. our facts and conclusions
  1116.  
  1117. 237
  1118. 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,762
  1119. based on solid intelligence.
  1120.  
  1121. 238
  1122. 00:14:59,764 --> 00:15:03,633
  1123. The issue before us
  1124. is not how much time
  1125.  
  1126. 239
  1127. 00:15:03,635 --> 00:15:06,602
  1128. we are willing to give
  1129. the inspectors,
  1130.  
  1131. 240
  1132. 00:15:06,604 --> 00:15:10,005
  1133. but how much longer
  1134. are we willing to put up
  1135.  
  1136. 241
  1137. 00:15:10,007 --> 00:15:15,144
  1138. with Iraq's non-compliance
  1139. before we as a council,
  1140.  
  1141. 242
  1142. 00:15:15,146 --> 00:15:18,714
  1143. we as United Nations
  1144. say enough.
  1145.  
  1146. 243
  1147. 00:15:18,716 --> 00:15:19,785
  1148. Enough.
  1149.  
  1150. 244
  1151. 00:15:20,751 --> 00:15:23,485
  1152. We have first-hand
  1153. descriptions
  1154.  
  1155. 245
  1156. 00:15:23,487 --> 00:15:27,856
  1157. of biological weapons factories
  1158. on wheels and on rails.
  1159.  
  1160. 246
  1161. 00:15:27,858 --> 00:15:30,759
  1162. The trucks and train cars
  1163. are easily moved
  1164.  
  1165. 247
  1166. 00:15:30,761 --> 00:15:34,364
  1167. and are designed to evade
  1168. detection by inspectors.
  1169.  
  1170. 248
  1171. 00:15:34,366 --> 00:15:36,466
  1172. Although Iraq's
  1173. mobile production program
  1174.  
  1175. 249
  1176. 00:15:36,468 --> 00:15:38,467
  1177. began in mid-1990s,
  1178.  
  1179. 250
  1180. 00:15:38,469 --> 00:15:42,371
  1181. UN inspectors at the time
  1182. only had vague hints
  1183.  
  1184. 251
  1185. 00:15:42,373 --> 00:15:44,206
  1186. of such programs.
  1187.  
  1188. 252
  1189. 00:15:44,208 --> 00:15:47,476
  1190. Confirmation came later
  1191. in the year 2000.
  1192.  
  1193. 253
  1194. 00:15:47,478 --> 00:15:50,145
  1195. The source was an eyewitness.
  1196.  
  1197. 254
  1198. 00:15:50,147 --> 00:15:51,614
  1199. - (DOOR OPENS)
  1200. - An Iraqi chemical engineer
  1201.  
  1202. 255
  1203. 00:15:51,616 --> 00:15:53,883
  1204. who supervised
  1205. one of these facilities.
  1206.  
  1207. 256
  1208. 00:15:53,885 --> 00:15:54,886
  1209. Hi.
  1210.  
  1211. 257
  1212. 00:15:55,853 --> 00:15:56,887
  1213. Hi.
  1214.  
  1215. 258
  1216. 00:15:57,856 --> 00:16:00,823
  1217. I'm gonna watch some football.
  1218. Do you mind?
  1219.  
  1220. 259
  1221. 00:16:00,825 --> 00:16:01,826
  1222. No. Go for it.
  1223.  
  1224. 260
  1225. 00:16:07,332 --> 00:16:09,333
  1226. (CROWD CHEERING ON TV)
  1227.  
  1228. 261
  1229. 00:16:35,626 --> 00:16:36,862
  1230. (GASPS)
  1231.  
  1232. 262
  1233. 00:16:54,746 --> 00:16:58,548
  1234. REPORTER: From the north,
  1235. the south, the east and the west,
  1236.  
  1237. 263
  1238. 00:16:58,550 --> 00:17:00,450
  1239. from the left, the right
  1240.  
  1241. 264
  1242. 00:17:00,452 --> 00:17:02,751
  1243. from the radical
  1244. to the uncommitted
  1245.  
  1246. 265
  1247. 00:17:02,753 --> 00:17:04,052
  1248. they came.
  1249.  
  1250. 266
  1251. 00:17:04,054 --> 00:17:05,721
  1252. (CROWD WHISTLING
  1253. AND SCREAMING)
  1254.  
  1255. 267
  1256. 00:17:05,723 --> 00:17:08,090
  1257. Well, we can argue forever about
  1258. the validity of opinion polls,
  1259.  
  1260. 268
  1261. 00:17:08,092 --> 00:17:10,459
  1262. but what surely matters today
  1263.  
  1264. 269
  1265. 00:17:10,461 --> 00:17:13,028
  1266. is that this proposed war
  1267. by Britain
  1268.  
  1269. 270
  1270. 00:17:13,030 --> 00:17:15,798
  1271. is historically unpopular
  1272.  
  1273. 271
  1274. 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,067
  1275. and the mother of all
  1276. focus groups has descended.
  1277.  
  1278. 272
  1279. 00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:20,970
  1280. Hey, Martin.
  1281. We're now doing some real reporting.
  1282.  
  1283. 273
  1284. 00:17:20,972 --> 00:17:23,506
  1285. It's huge.
  1286. Police are saying over 500,000.
  1287.  
  1288. 274
  1289. 00:17:23,508 --> 00:17:25,574
  1290. Organizers are saying
  1291. over two million.
  1292.  
  1293. 275
  1294. 00:17:25,576 --> 00:17:27,143
  1295. So it will be
  1296. a million then?
  1297.  
  1298. 276
  1299. 00:17:27,145 --> 00:17:28,844
  1300. Well, it's everywhere.
  1301. Every country.
  1302.  
  1303. 277
  1304. 00:17:28,846 --> 00:17:31,279
  1305. Biggest demonstration
  1306. in human history.
  1307.  
  1308. 278
  1309. 00:17:31,281 --> 00:17:33,883
  1310. ED: Roger, I filed this story
  1311. seven times.
  1312.  
  1313. 279
  1314. 00:17:33,885 --> 00:17:36,819
  1315. And seven times I have told
  1316. you I'm not going to print it.
  1317.  
  1318. 280
  1319. 00:17:36,821 --> 00:17:38,420
  1320. Ed, this paper
  1321. supports the war.
  1322.  
  1323. 281
  1324. 00:17:38,422 --> 00:17:40,022
  1325. Our sources support
  1326. the war, Kamal.
  1327.  
  1328. 282
  1329. 00:17:40,024 --> 00:17:42,525
  1330. All I'm asking is that
  1331. mine be given equal time.
  1332.  
  1333. 283
  1334. 00:17:42,527 --> 00:17:43,625
  1335. - Fair enough.
  1336. - Thank you.
  1337.  
  1338. 284
  1339. 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:44,794
  1340. ROGER: Well,
  1341. what do they say, Ed?
  1342.  
  1343. 285
  1344. 00:17:44,796 --> 00:17:46,695
  1345. That intelligence
  1346. is being manipulated
  1347.  
  1348. 286
  1349. 00:17:46,697 --> 00:17:49,199
  1350. to support an invasion that
  1351. Bush Junior's been pushing for
  1352.  
  1353. 287
  1354. 00:17:49,201 --> 00:17:51,700
  1355. ever since Saddam tried
  1356. to kill his daddy in '93.
  1357.  
  1358. 288
  1359. 00:17:51,702 --> 00:17:53,536
  1360. Oh, come on,
  1361. your source is retired.
  1362.  
  1363. 289
  1364. 00:17:53,538 --> 00:17:55,304
  1365. My source is ex-CIA!
  1366.  
  1367. 290
  1368. 00:17:55,306 --> 00:17:56,771
  1369. He talks to agents
  1370. every day
  1371.  
  1372. 291
  1373. 00:17:56,773 --> 00:17:58,540
  1374. and he's talking to me
  1375. on the record!
  1376.  
  1377. 292
  1378. 00:17:58,542 --> 00:18:01,676
  1379. Named source! Christ!
  1380.  
  1381. 293
  1382. 00:18:01,678 --> 00:18:03,779
  1383. If you're gonna encourage
  1384. a country to go to war,
  1385.  
  1386. 294
  1387. 00:18:03,781 --> 00:18:05,780
  1388. perhaps you should spend some
  1389. time on the front lines yourself!
  1390.  
  1391. 295
  1392. 00:18:05,782 --> 00:18:08,484
  1393. - ROGER: That is a cheap shot, Ed.
  1394. - ED: Is it?
  1395.  
  1396. 296
  1397. 00:18:08,486 --> 00:18:09,719
  1398. We're the press,
  1399. for God's sake,
  1400.  
  1401. 297
  1402. 00:18:09,721 --> 00:18:11,721
  1403. not a fucking PR agency
  1404. for Tony Blair.
  1405.  
  1406. 298
  1407. 00:18:11,723 --> 00:18:13,625
  1408. - That's enough!
  1409. - All right!
  1410.  
  1411. 299
  1412. 00:18:15,126 --> 00:18:16,659
  1413. You, go back
  1414. to the States.
  1415.  
  1416. 300
  1417. 00:18:16,661 --> 00:18:18,126
  1418. I want you to find me
  1419. something from a source
  1420.  
  1421. 301
  1422. 00:18:18,128 --> 00:18:19,728
  1423. who hasn't already retired
  1424.  
  1425. 302
  1426. 00:18:19,730 --> 00:18:21,564
  1427. and then maybe
  1428. I'll rethink it.
  1429.  
  1430. 303
  1431. 00:18:21,566 --> 00:18:23,165
  1432. You're doing a great job of it.
  1433. We just need some more.
  1434.  
  1435. 304
  1436. 00:18:23,167 --> 00:18:25,969
  1437. Yes, Peter.
  1438. Fuck you very much.
  1439.  
  1440. 305
  1441. 00:18:25,971 --> 00:18:27,237
  1442. And fewer words!
  1443.  
  1444. 306
  1445. 00:18:27,239 --> 00:18:30,105
  1446. If I ask for 500,
  1447. don't send me 3,000!
  1448.  
  1449. 307
  1450. 00:18:30,107 --> 00:18:32,974
  1451. This paper needs to take
  1452. its finger out of its arse
  1453.  
  1454. 308
  1455. 00:18:32,976 --> 00:18:35,577
  1456. and stop taking
  1457. Tony Blair's press releases
  1458.  
  1459. 309
  1460. 00:18:35,579 --> 00:18:37,146
  1461. at face fucking value!
  1462.  
  1463. 310
  1464. 00:18:37,148 --> 00:18:39,013
  1465. - MAN: Hear, hear.
  1466. - WOMAN: Abso-fucking-lutely.
  1467.  
  1468. 311
  1469. 00:18:39,015 --> 00:18:40,851
  1470. - Christ!
  1471. - MAN: You're too bloody right.
  1472.  
  1473. 312
  1474. 00:18:44,288 --> 00:18:46,122
  1475. Brighty,
  1476. where's my piece
  1477.  
  1478. 313
  1479. 00:18:46,124 --> 00:18:48,958
  1480. comparing Saddam to Milosevic?
  1481. I need 400 words.
  1482.  
  1483. 314
  1484. 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,294
  1485. Yeah. It's not really
  1486. a 400-word topic, Rog.
  1487.  
  1488. 315
  1489. 00:18:51,296 --> 00:18:54,329
  1490. Yeah, it is. We have a right
  1491. to intervene in the Balkans.
  1492.  
  1493. 316
  1494. 00:18:54,331 --> 00:18:55,463
  1495. We should do
  1496. the same in Iraq.
  1497.  
  1498. 317
  1499. 00:18:55,465 --> 00:18:56,865
  1500. Iraq's a little
  1501. more complicated.
  1502.  
  1503. 318
  1504. 00:18:56,867 --> 00:18:59,501
  1505. - You've got Suni and Shia...
  1506. - Oh, fuck Sonny and Cher!
  1507.  
  1508. 319
  1509. 00:18:59,503 --> 00:19:01,837
  1510. What is this?
  1511. "I got you babe?"
  1512.  
  1513. 320
  1514. 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:04,306
  1515. Just give me 400 words the
  1516. average reader will understand.
  1517.  
  1518. 321
  1519. 00:19:04,308 --> 00:19:06,241
  1520. Milosevic bad.
  1521. Saddam bad.
  1522.  
  1523. 322
  1524. 00:19:06,243 --> 00:19:09,412
  1525. Just write a fucking story.
  1526. Stop overthinking it.
  1527.  
  1528. 323
  1529. 00:19:09,414 --> 00:19:10,615
  1530. MAN: All right.
  1531.  
  1532. 324
  1533. 00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:16,884
  1534. That was helpful.
  1535.  
  1536. 325
  1537. 00:19:16,886 --> 00:19:18,688
  1538. Just write the piece
  1539. as you see it, Martin,
  1540.  
  1541. 326
  1542. 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:21,190
  1543. and we'll cut it down later
  1544. if we need to, all right?
  1545.  
  1546. 327
  1547. 00:19:21,192 --> 00:19:23,124
  1548. Okay. Thank you, Peter.
  1549.  
  1550. 328
  1551. 00:19:23,126 --> 00:19:24,529
  1552. (EXHALES)
  1553.  
  1554. 329
  1555. 00:19:27,197 --> 00:19:28,430
  1556. Sonny and Cher.
  1557.  
  1558. 330
  1559. 00:19:28,432 --> 00:19:30,199
  1560. (KEYBOARD CLACKING)
  1561.  
  1562. 331
  1563. 00:19:30,201 --> 00:19:31,500
  1564. (PHONE RINGING)
  1565.  
  1566. 332
  1567. 00:19:31,502 --> 00:19:32,969
  1568. Martin Bright.
  1569.  
  1570. 333
  1571. 00:19:32,971 --> 00:19:34,804
  1572. YVONNE: (ON PHONE) I've got
  1573. something you need to see.
  1574.  
  1575. 334
  1576. 00:19:34,806 --> 00:19:37,675
  1577. It's big, Martin, really big.
  1578.  
  1579. 335
  1580. 00:19:39,409 --> 00:19:40,644
  1581. MARTIN: Yvonne?
  1582.  
  1583. 336
  1584. 00:19:46,416 --> 00:19:47,482
  1585. Yvonne?
  1586.  
  1587. 337
  1588. 00:19:47,484 --> 00:19:48,549
  1589. (DOOR OPENS)
  1590.  
  1591. 338
  1592. 00:19:48,551 --> 00:19:49,753
  1593. (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
  1594.  
  1595. 339
  1596. 00:19:53,191 --> 00:19:56,291
  1597. Martin. So good to see you.
  1598.  
  1599. 340
  1600. 00:19:56,293 --> 00:19:58,426
  1601. In an underground
  1602. car park?
  1603.  
  1604. 341
  1605. 00:19:58,428 --> 00:20:01,230
  1606. It's a little Deep Throat,
  1607. don't you think?
  1608.  
  1609. 342
  1610. 00:20:01,232 --> 00:20:03,068
  1611. - There's no signal down here.
  1612. - Right.
  1613.  
  1614. 343
  1615. 00:20:05,636 --> 00:20:07,571
  1616. Wait till you see this.
  1617.  
  1618. 344
  1619. 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:23,951
  1620. - Who gave you this?
  1621. - YVONNE: Can't say.
  1622.  
  1623. 345
  1624. 00:20:23,953 --> 00:20:25,421
  1625. There's no info
  1626. saying who sent it.
  1627.  
  1628. 346
  1629. 00:20:25,423 --> 00:20:27,125
  1630. This could have been
  1631. written by anyone.
  1632.  
  1633. 347
  1634. 00:20:28,658 --> 00:20:30,928
  1635. - That's who wrote it.
  1636. - Well.
  1637.  
  1638. 348
  1639. 00:20:32,128 --> 00:20:33,662
  1640. Frank Koza.
  1641.  
  1642. 349
  1643. 00:20:33,664 --> 00:20:36,565
  1644. - Who the fuck is Frank Koza?
  1645. - NSA.
  1646.  
  1647. 350
  1648. 00:20:36,567 --> 00:20:38,867
  1649. And this I know
  1650. because the letters NSA
  1651.  
  1652. 351
  1653. 00:20:38,869 --> 00:20:41,970
  1654. have been written on the back
  1655. with a leaky ballpoint.
  1656.  
  1657. 352
  1658. 00:20:41,972 --> 00:20:43,939
  1659. My source says
  1660. the header wasn't printed
  1661.  
  1662. 353
  1663. 00:20:43,941 --> 00:20:46,678
  1664. to protect the recipients
  1665. at GCHQ.
  1666.  
  1667. 354
  1668. 00:20:48,646 --> 00:20:49,711
  1669. When did you get it?
  1670.  
  1671. 355
  1672. 00:20:49,713 --> 00:20:51,114
  1673. - Two weeks ago.
  1674. - Two weeks?
  1675.  
  1676. 356
  1677. 00:20:51,116 --> 00:20:53,515
  1678. I gave it to The Mirror first.
  1679. Sorry.
  1680.  
  1681. 357
  1682. 00:20:53,517 --> 00:20:55,785
  1683. Jesus. Why didn't
  1684. they run it?
  1685.  
  1686. 358
  1687. 00:20:55,787 --> 00:20:58,020
  1688. - They thought it was fake.
  1689. - No shit.
  1690.  
  1691. 359
  1692. 00:20:58,022 --> 00:21:01,056
  1693. - Is your source NSA?
  1694. - No. A friend of the recipient.
  1695.  
  1696. 360
  1697. 00:21:01,058 --> 00:21:03,459
  1698. - A good friend.
  1699. - A friend of a friend?
  1700.  
  1701. 361
  1702. 00:21:03,461 --> 00:21:06,429
  1703. A good friend
  1704. of a trusted friend.
  1705.  
  1706. 362
  1707. 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:07,696
  1708. I'm sure it's real.
  1709.  
  1710. 363
  1711. 00:21:07,698 --> 00:21:09,365
  1712. Then why don't you
  1713. write the story?
  1714.  
  1715. 364
  1716. 00:21:09,367 --> 00:21:10,932
  1717. Oh, come on, Martin.
  1718.  
  1719. 365
  1720. 00:21:10,934 --> 00:21:13,905
  1721. I'm anti-war.
  1722. You're with The Observer.
  1723.  
  1724. 366
  1725. 00:21:14,704 --> 00:21:16,907
  1726. Just check it out.
  1727.  
  1728. 367
  1729. 00:21:27,117 --> 00:21:29,154
  1730. (LINE RINGING)
  1731.  
  1732. 368
  1733. 00:21:31,422 --> 00:21:33,655
  1734. OPERATOR: (ON PHONE) NSA Press Office.
  1735. How may I assist you?
  1736.  
  1737. 369
  1738. 00:21:33,657 --> 00:21:34,923
  1739. Yes, hi, hello there.
  1740.  
  1741. 370
  1742. 00:21:34,925 --> 00:21:37,593
  1743. This is Martin Bright
  1744. from The Observer in London.
  1745.  
  1746. 371
  1747. 00:21:37,595 --> 00:21:39,362
  1748. Um, I'd like to arrange
  1749. an interview
  1750.  
  1751. 372
  1752. 00:21:39,364 --> 00:21:41,029
  1753. with Mr. Frank Koza.
  1754.  
  1755. 373
  1756. 00:21:41,031 --> 00:21:43,532
  1757. May I speak
  1758. to his office, please?
  1759.  
  1760. 374
  1761. 00:21:43,534 --> 00:21:46,669
  1762. - I'm sorry, Mr. Bright?
  1763. - Martin Bright, yes.
  1764.  
  1765. 375
  1766. 00:21:46,671 --> 00:21:48,170
  1767. Yes. Who did you wanna get?
  1768.  
  1769. 376
  1770. 00:21:48,172 --> 00:21:51,906
  1771. Frank Koza, "Chief of Staff,
  1772. Regional Targets."
  1773.  
  1774. 377
  1775. 00:21:51,908 --> 00:21:53,776
  1776. Mr. Bright, I'm afraid
  1777. we can't confirm
  1778.  
  1779. 378
  1780. 00:21:53,778 --> 00:21:55,911
  1781. the names of people
  1782. who work here.
  1783.  
  1784. 379
  1785. 00:21:55,913 --> 00:21:57,446
  1786. Could you give me
  1787. a little more detail
  1788.  
  1789. 380
  1790. 00:21:57,448 --> 00:21:59,080
  1791. about the story
  1792. you're working on?
  1793.  
  1794. 381
  1795. 00:21:59,082 --> 00:22:02,451
  1796. Uh, well, no. That's something
  1797. I need to talk to Mr. Koza
  1798.  
  1799. 382
  1800. 00:22:02,453 --> 00:22:03,855
  1801. about directly, I'm afraid.
  1802.  
  1803. 383
  1804. 00:22:05,723 --> 00:22:08,557
  1805. Well, then I'm afraid
  1806. I'm not sure I can help you.
  1807.  
  1808. 384
  1809. 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:09,825
  1810. When you have a little
  1811. more detail
  1812.  
  1813. 385
  1814. 00:22:09,827 --> 00:22:12,394
  1815. - please feel free to call back.
  1816. - (LINE DISCONNECTS)
  1817.  
  1818. 386
  1819. 00:22:12,396 --> 00:22:13,665
  1820. Yeah, well...
  1821.  
  1822. 387
  1823. 00:22:15,066 --> 00:22:16,598
  1824. Hello?
  1825.  
  1826. 388
  1827. 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,402
  1828. - You rang the NSA Press Office?
  1829. - Yeah.
  1830.  
  1831. 389
  1832. 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:20,536
  1833. They have a press office.
  1834.  
  1835. 390
  1836. 00:22:20,538 --> 00:22:21,971
  1837. I thought that was
  1838. a good place to start.
  1839.  
  1840. 391
  1841. 00:22:21,973 --> 00:22:23,205
  1842. But you didn't
  1843. tell them anything?
  1844.  
  1845. 392
  1846. 00:22:23,207 --> 00:22:25,607
  1847. No, Peter.
  1848. I just asked for Frank Koza.
  1849.  
  1850. 393
  1851. 00:22:25,609 --> 00:22:27,076
  1852. Because if this is real,
  1853. you could go to jail
  1854.  
  1855. 394
  1856. 00:22:27,078 --> 00:22:29,978
  1857. just for having it
  1858. in your possession.
  1859.  
  1860. 395
  1861. 00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:31,814
  1862. MARTIN: I'm not letting this go.
  1863. It's too good a story.
  1864.  
  1865. 396
  1866. 00:22:31,816 --> 00:22:33,215
  1867. PETER: I agree,
  1868. but if you get it wrong
  1869.  
  1870. 397
  1871. 00:22:33,217 --> 00:22:35,417
  1872. it will sink you,
  1873. it will sink the paper.
  1874.  
  1875. 398
  1876. 00:22:35,419 --> 00:22:37,586
  1877. I'd like to get a credible
  1878. intelligence expert
  1879.  
  1880. 399
  1881. 00:22:37,588 --> 00:22:39,321
  1882. to offer a view
  1883. on the language.
  1884.  
  1885. 400
  1886. 00:22:39,323 --> 00:22:41,289
  1887. - Yeah.
  1888. - And I thought you could run it by
  1889.  
  1890. 401
  1891. 00:22:41,291 --> 00:22:42,793
  1892. your MI6 contact?
  1893.  
  1894. 402
  1895. 00:22:43,761 --> 00:22:45,761
  1896. - I don't have a MI6 contact.
  1897. - Sorry.
  1898.  
  1899. 403
  1900. 00:22:45,763 --> 00:22:47,831
  1901. I meant your
  1902. tennis club friend.
  1903.  
  1904. 404
  1905. 00:22:49,066 --> 00:22:49,964
  1906. Sure.
  1907.  
  1908. 405
  1909. 00:22:49,966 --> 00:22:51,799
  1910. I'll take it
  1911. to Admiral Wilkinson.
  1912.  
  1913. 406
  1914. 00:22:51,801 --> 00:22:53,634
  1915. Be careful.
  1916. Before we risk
  1917.  
  1918. 407
  1919. 00:22:53,636 --> 00:22:55,470
  1920. a D-notice
  1921. against publication
  1922.  
  1923. 408
  1924. 00:22:55,472 --> 00:22:59,275
  1925. I'd actually like confirmation
  1926. that Frank Koza exists.
  1927.  
  1928. 409
  1929. 00:22:59,277 --> 00:23:00,742
  1930. Do you think
  1931. it's authentic?
  1932.  
  1933. 410
  1934. 00:23:00,744 --> 00:23:02,478
  1935. Well, certainly
  1936. the words he used,
  1937.  
  1938. 411
  1939. 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,180
  1940. "TOPI," for example,
  1941.  
  1942. 412
  1943. 00:23:04,182 --> 00:23:05,981
  1944. few outside
  1945. of the security apparatus
  1946.  
  1947. 413
  1948. 00:23:05,983 --> 00:23:07,249
  1949. would know
  1950. what that means.
  1951.  
  1952. 414
  1953. 00:23:07,251 --> 00:23:08,384
  1954. What does it mean?
  1955.  
  1956. 415
  1957. 00:23:08,386 --> 00:23:10,452
  1958. Target of
  1959. primary interest.
  1960.  
  1961. 416
  1962. 00:23:10,454 --> 00:23:13,922
  1963. And this term,
  1964. "QRC surge effort,"
  1965.  
  1966. 417
  1967. 00:23:13,924 --> 00:23:15,457
  1968. that's NSA military speak
  1969.  
  1970. 418
  1971. 00:23:15,459 --> 00:23:19,228
  1972. for significant intensification
  1973. of surveillance operations.
  1974.  
  1975. 419
  1976. 00:23:19,230 --> 00:23:22,196
  1977. And this, where they ask
  1978. for "valuable information
  1979.  
  1980. 420
  1981. 00:23:22,198 --> 00:23:26,301
  1982. "from accesses
  1983. in your product lines..."
  1984.  
  1985. 421
  1986. 00:23:26,303 --> 00:23:29,438
  1987. ...product lines
  1988. are intelligence sources.
  1989.  
  1990. 422
  1991. 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,739
  1992. So it's been
  1993. written by someone
  1994.  
  1995. 423
  1996. 00:23:30,741 --> 00:23:32,374
  1997. who's familiar
  1998. with security speak
  1999.  
  2000. 424
  2001. 00:23:32,376 --> 00:23:34,409
  2002. but that doesn't mean
  2003. it's definitely NSA.
  2004.  
  2005. 425
  2006. 00:23:34,411 --> 00:23:36,979
  2007. True, but there are no
  2008. obvious amateur mistakes.
  2009.  
  2010. 426
  2011. 00:23:36,981 --> 00:23:39,751
  2012. - Have you heard of Frank Koza?
  2013. - No.
  2014.  
  2015. 427
  2016. 00:23:41,985 --> 00:23:45,453
  2017. Paul, if we, if we wanted
  2018. to confirm that he exists...
  2019.  
  2020. 428
  2021. 00:23:45,455 --> 00:23:47,789
  2022. (CHUCKLES) Oh, sorry.
  2023. I couldn't help you do that.
  2024.  
  2025. 429
  2026. 00:23:47,791 --> 00:23:49,090
  2027. Yeah, but if we wanted
  2028. to confirm that he...
  2029.  
  2030. 430
  2031. 00:23:49,092 --> 00:23:51,862
  2032. Well, my own sources
  2033. wouldn't ever trust me again.
  2034.  
  2035. 431
  2036. 00:23:52,797 --> 00:23:54,031
  2037. Understood.
  2038.  
  2039. 432
  2040. 00:23:55,566 --> 00:23:56,665
  2041. Understood.
  2042.  
  2043. 433
  2044. 00:23:56,667 --> 00:23:57,968
  2045. (PHONE RINGS)
  2046.  
  2047. 434
  2048. 00:23:59,336 --> 00:24:01,903
  2049. - What?
  2050. - MARTIN: (ON PHONE) Ed, Martin Bright.
  2051.  
  2052. 435
  2053. 00:24:01,905 --> 00:24:04,173
  2054. Martin, Christ,
  2055. I just got back to DC.
  2056.  
  2057. 436
  2058. 00:24:04,175 --> 00:24:05,807
  2059. Sorry, Peter and I
  2060. have something urgent
  2061.  
  2062. 437
  2063. 00:24:05,809 --> 00:24:06,909
  2064. that we'd like to run by you.
  2065.  
  2066. 438
  2067. 00:24:06,911 --> 00:24:08,943
  2068. Are you on speaker?
  2069.  
  2070. 439
  2071. 00:24:08,945 --> 00:24:10,412
  2072. We are now. Hey...
  2073.  
  2074. 440
  2075. 00:24:10,414 --> 00:24:13,414
  2076. Peter, you need to tell Roger
  2077. to publish what I'm filing.
  2078.  
  2079. 441
  2080. 00:24:13,416 --> 00:24:16,419
  2081. This paper can't be seen
  2082. to be supporting a war
  2083.  
  2084. 442
  2085. 00:24:16,421 --> 00:24:18,287
  2086. that we should be doing
  2087. everything in our power
  2088.  
  2089. 443
  2090. 00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:19,521
  2091. to expose as a con.
  2092.  
  2093. 444
  2094. 00:24:19,523 --> 00:24:21,891
  2095. A neocon.
  2096. A giant fucking con!
  2097.  
  2098. 445
  2099. 00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,992
  2100. Ed, that's why we're phoning.
  2101. We need your help.
  2102.  
  2103. 446
  2104. 00:24:23,994 --> 00:24:26,429
  2105. We have something
  2106. that might corroborate
  2107.  
  2108. 447
  2109. 00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:28,266
  2110. these things,
  2111. you could say.
  2112.  
  2113. 448
  2114. 00:24:38,509 --> 00:24:40,107
  2115. Hey. Sorry.
  2116.  
  2117. 449
  2118. 00:24:40,109 --> 00:24:41,477
  2119. (LAUGHS)
  2120.  
  2121. 450
  2122. 00:24:41,479 --> 00:24:42,711
  2123. - Do you wanna get lunch?
  2124. - What?
  2125.  
  2126. 451
  2127. 00:24:42,713 --> 00:24:44,578
  2128. Lunch. Eat.
  2129. Now. Yes.
  2130.  
  2131. 452
  2132. 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:47,281
  2133. Oh, no,
  2134. I'm fine, thanks.
  2135.  
  2136. 453
  2137. 00:24:47,283 --> 00:24:49,551
  2138. - Are you all right?
  2139. - Yeah. Yeah. I'm good.
  2140.  
  2141. 454
  2142. 00:24:49,553 --> 00:24:51,053
  2143. It, um...
  2144.  
  2145. 455
  2146. 00:24:51,055 --> 00:24:53,321
  2147. This new BBC poll,
  2148. it says that less than one in ten people
  2149.  
  2150. 456
  2151. 00:24:53,323 --> 00:24:57,026
  2152. think it's right to attack
  2153. Iraq without a UN resolution.
  2154.  
  2155. 457
  2156. 00:24:57,028 --> 00:24:59,862
  2157. Which is why that memo was sent.
  2158. They need to twist arms.
  2159.  
  2160. 458
  2161. 00:24:59,864 --> 00:25:01,329
  2162. ANDY: I don't think
  2163. it will make any difference.
  2164.  
  2165. 459
  2166. 00:25:01,331 --> 00:25:03,266
  2167. Most of the world
  2168. is against them.
  2169.  
  2170. 460
  2171. 00:25:04,299 --> 00:25:04,569
  2172. You wanna eat, eat.
  2173.  
  2174. 461
  2175. 00:25:05,369 --> 00:25:06,804
  2176. (LINE RINGING)
  2177.  
  2178. 462
  2179. 00:25:08,505 --> 00:25:11,307
  2180. OPERATOR: (ON PHONE) National Security
  2181. Agency. How may I direct your call?
  2182.  
  2183. 463
  2184. 00:25:11,309 --> 00:25:13,976
  2185. Hello, I'm returning
  2186. Frank Koza's call.
  2187.  
  2188. 464
  2189. 00:25:13,978 --> 00:25:15,477
  2190. My secretary said
  2191. it was urgent.
  2192.  
  2193. 465
  2194. 00:25:15,479 --> 00:25:17,613
  2195. OPERATOR: I'm sorry.
  2196. Who are you trying to reach?
  2197.  
  2198. 466
  2199. 00:25:17,615 --> 00:25:20,015
  2200. Frank Koza.
  2201. Mr. Frank Koza.
  2202.  
  2203. 467
  2204. 00:25:20,017 --> 00:25:21,749
  2205. Sir, I'm sorry,
  2206. there's no one
  2207.  
  2208. 468
  2209. 00:25:21,751 --> 00:25:23,919
  2210. by that name
  2211. in the directory, sir.
  2212.  
  2213. 469
  2214. 00:25:23,921 --> 00:25:27,355
  2215. Oh, well, then that's odd.
  2216. He called me.
  2217.  
  2218. 470
  2219. 00:25:27,357 --> 00:25:31,359
  2220. I'm sorry, but I'll need
  2221. an extension number.
  2222.  
  2223. 471
  2224. 00:25:31,361 --> 00:25:33,228
  2225. Do you have
  2226. an extension number?
  2227.  
  2228. 472
  2229. 00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:34,497
  2230. Ah...
  2231.  
  2232. 473
  2233. 00:25:34,499 --> 00:25:36,365
  2234. Nah.
  2235.  
  2236. 474
  2237. 00:25:36,367 --> 00:25:38,834
  2238. Is there anything else
  2239. I can do for you?
  2240.  
  2241. 475
  2242. 00:25:38,836 --> 00:25:40,736
  2243. No. No.
  2244.  
  2245. 476
  2246. 00:25:40,738 --> 00:25:41,903
  2247. Thank you. Thank you.
  2248.  
  2249. 477
  2250. 00:25:41,905 --> 00:25:43,438
  2251. You have a nice day, sir.
  2252.  
  2253. 478
  2254. 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,442
  2255. You too.
  2256.  
  2257. 479
  2258. 00:25:46,344 --> 00:25:47,375
  2259. Fuck off.
  2260.  
  2261. 480
  2262. 00:25:47,377 --> 00:25:51,247
  2263. PETER: So I read the weapons
  2264. inspector's report.
  2265.  
  2266. 481
  2267. 00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,115
  2268. JACQUELINE:
  2269. Oh, congratulations.
  2270.  
  2271. 482
  2272. 00:25:53,117 --> 00:25:55,284
  2273. That's more
  2274. than most MP's ever done.
  2275.  
  2276. 483
  2277. 00:25:55,286 --> 00:25:58,185
  2278. - Well, shit, that's depressing.
  2279. - Mmm-hmm. It is.
  2280.  
  2281. 484
  2282. 00:25:58,187 --> 00:26:00,422
  2283. Look, there are a few
  2284. pre-98 chemical weapons
  2285.  
  2286. 485
  2287. 00:26:00,424 --> 00:26:02,391
  2288. we have yet to be accounted
  2289. for but inspectors said
  2290.  
  2291. 486
  2292. 00:26:02,393 --> 00:26:04,058
  2293. they found absolutely
  2294. no evidence
  2295.  
  2296. 487
  2297. 00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,394
  2298. of an active chemical
  2299. or biological program.
  2300.  
  2301. 488
  2302. 00:26:06,396 --> 00:26:07,462
  2303. Correct.
  2304.  
  2305. 489
  2306. 00:26:07,464 --> 00:26:08,529
  2307. And yet Colin Powell presented
  2308.  
  2309. 490
  2310. 00:26:08,531 --> 00:26:10,164
  2311. clear evidence of mobile labs.
  2312.  
  2313. 491
  2314. 00:26:10,166 --> 00:26:13,602
  2315. His evidence may be based
  2316. on poor human intel
  2317.  
  2318. 492
  2319. 00:26:13,604 --> 00:26:15,237
  2320. from an Iraqi dissident.
  2321.  
  2322. 493
  2323. 00:26:15,239 --> 00:26:16,105
  2324. Really?
  2325.  
  2326. 494
  2327. 00:26:16,107 --> 00:26:17,205
  2328. The dissident
  2329. isn't our product
  2330.  
  2331. 495
  2332. 00:26:17,207 --> 00:26:19,076
  2333. and should not be seen
  2334. as our product.
  2335.  
  2336. 496
  2337. 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:22,213
  2338. Whose product is he then?
  2339.  
  2340. 497
  2341. 00:26:24,248 --> 00:26:27,415
  2342. Look, Peter,
  2343. I didn't say this,
  2344.  
  2345. 498
  2346. 00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,951
  2347. but there is concern
  2348. in certain quarters
  2349.  
  2350. 499
  2351. 00:26:29,953 --> 00:26:33,122
  2352. that intelligence
  2353. may be being manipulated
  2354.  
  2355. 500
  2356. 00:26:33,124 --> 00:26:35,024
  2357. to take this country to war.
  2358.  
  2359. 501
  2360. 00:26:35,026 --> 00:26:36,959
  2361. So why don't you tell
  2362. your journalists
  2363.  
  2364. 502
  2365. 00:26:36,961 --> 00:26:39,161
  2366. to stop being so bloody loyal
  2367. to Downing Street
  2368.  
  2369. 503
  2370. 00:26:39,163 --> 00:26:41,098
  2371. and start doing their job?
  2372.  
  2373. 504
  2374. 00:26:42,867 --> 00:26:44,068
  2375. Okay.
  2376.  
  2377. 505
  2378. 00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:50,705
  2379. Okay, what if I had
  2380. evidence that the NSA
  2381.  
  2382. 506
  2383. 00:26:50,707 --> 00:26:53,742
  2384. requested GCHQ to help
  2385. monitor private communications
  2386.  
  2387. 507
  2388. 00:26:53,744 --> 00:26:56,076
  2389. of the UN Security Council
  2390. delegates?
  2391.  
  2392. 508
  2393. 00:26:56,078 --> 00:26:57,880
  2394. - To what end?
  2395. - Bluntly?
  2396.  
  2397. 509
  2398. 00:26:57,882 --> 00:27:00,082
  2399. To blackmail them
  2400. into voting for war.
  2401.  
  2402. 510
  2403. 00:27:00,084 --> 00:27:01,717
  2404. I'm not with GCHQ.
  2405.  
  2406. 511
  2407. 00:27:01,719 --> 00:27:03,551
  2408. You're MI6,
  2409. you're on the same team.
  2410.  
  2411. 512
  2412. 00:27:03,553 --> 00:27:04,618
  2413. How did you
  2414. hear about this?
  2415.  
  2416. 513
  2417. 00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:06,421
  2418. A UN resolution for war
  2419.  
  2420. 514
  2421. 00:27:06,423 --> 00:27:08,891
  2422. would cover everyone's arse,
  2423. wouldn't it?
  2424.  
  2425. 515
  2426. 00:27:08,893 --> 00:27:11,792
  2427. No more asking your team
  2428. to sex up evidence of WMDs
  2429.  
  2430. 516
  2431. 00:27:11,794 --> 00:27:14,930
  2432. or the back-dodgy claims that
  2433. Britain was about to be attacked
  2434.  
  2435. 517
  2436. 00:27:14,932 --> 00:27:16,965
  2437. by Iraq within 45 minutes.
  2438.  
  2439. 518
  2440. 00:27:16,967 --> 00:27:19,067
  2441. And no chance of anyone
  2442. being charged with a war crime
  2443.  
  2444. 519
  2445. 00:27:19,069 --> 00:27:21,004
  2446. if it all goes tits up.
  2447.  
  2448. 520
  2449. 00:27:22,405 --> 00:27:23,838
  2450. What are you
  2451. asking me, Peter?
  2452.  
  2453. 521
  2454. 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,909
  2455. I'm asking
  2456. if you can confirm
  2457.  
  2458. 522
  2459. 00:27:26,911 --> 00:27:30,546
  2460. whether the NSA
  2461. instructed GCHQ
  2462.  
  2463. 523
  2464. 00:27:30,548 --> 00:27:33,617
  2465. to assist in spying on
  2466. Security Council delegates?
  2467.  
  2468. 524
  2469. 00:27:34,652 --> 00:27:37,318
  2470. You know I can't
  2471. answer that.
  2472.  
  2473. 525
  2474. 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,954
  2475. To do so would put me in breach
  2476. of the Official Secrets Act.
  2477.  
  2478. 526
  2479. 00:27:39,956 --> 00:27:42,459
  2480. To deny it would not.
  2481.  
  2482. 527
  2483. 00:27:44,328 --> 00:27:48,266
  2484. Well, I can neither confirm
  2485. nor deny.
  2486.  
  2487. 528
  2488. 00:27:52,469 --> 00:27:53,471
  2489. Okay.
  2490.  
  2491. 529
  2492. 00:27:54,672 --> 00:27:55,740
  2493. Let's play.
  2494.  
  2495. 530
  2496. 00:27:56,941 --> 00:27:59,277
  2497. - Change ends, idiot.
  2498. - Yes.
  2499.  
  2500. 531
  2501. 00:28:01,044 --> 00:28:02,611
  2502. Your serve.
  2503.  
  2504. 532
  2505. 00:28:02,613 --> 00:28:05,614
  2506. ED: So the head of the CIA
  2507. tells Bush it's a slam dunk
  2508.  
  2509. 533
  2510. 00:28:05,616 --> 00:28:08,782
  2511. that Saddam has weapons
  2512. of mass destruction.
  2513.  
  2514. 534
  2515. 00:28:08,784 --> 00:28:10,685
  2516. - A slam dunk.
  2517. - Yes.
  2518.  
  2519. 535
  2520. 00:28:10,687 --> 00:28:12,654
  2521. - And that's not true?
  2522. - No.
  2523.  
  2524. 536
  2525. 00:28:12,656 --> 00:28:15,289
  2526. Meaning Saddam definitely
  2527. does not have weapons
  2528.  
  2529. 537
  2530. 00:28:15,291 --> 00:28:17,459
  2531. of mass destruction
  2532. or he may not.
  2533.  
  2534. 538
  2535. 00:28:17,461 --> 00:28:21,028
  2536. Meaning the intelligence
  2537. is sketchy at best
  2538.  
  2539. 539
  2540. 00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:22,798
  2541. and manufactured at worst.
  2542.  
  2543. 540
  2544. 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,999
  2545. And Tenet knows that?
  2546.  
  2547. 541
  2548. 00:28:25,001 --> 00:28:27,702
  2549. I've no doubt he knows that.
  2550.  
  2551. 542
  2552. 00:28:27,704 --> 00:28:29,871
  2553. I was with
  2554. the agency 24 years.
  2555.  
  2556. 543
  2557. 00:28:29,873 --> 00:28:33,541
  2558. I can tell you, folks over there
  2559. are really angry about this.
  2560.  
  2561. 544
  2562. 00:28:33,543 --> 00:28:35,277
  2563. Why?
  2564.  
  2565. 545
  2566. 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:36,510
  2567. Why?
  2568.  
  2569. 546
  2570. 00:28:36,512 --> 00:28:38,513
  2571. Because the majority
  2572. of the analysts do not believe
  2573.  
  2574. 547
  2575. 00:28:38,515 --> 00:28:41,618
  2576. it's a slam dunk,
  2577. but no one wants to hear that.
  2578.  
  2579. 548
  2580. 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:44,352
  2581. Not even the press.
  2582.  
  2583. 549
  2584. 00:28:44,354 --> 00:28:47,088
  2585. - Sorry, Mel.
  2586. - I'm sorry.
  2587.  
  2588. 550
  2589. 00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:48,658
  2590. I'm just mad as hell.
  2591.  
  2592. 551
  2593. 00:28:50,461 --> 00:28:51,993
  2594. Listen, I wanted
  2595. to talk to you today
  2596.  
  2597. 552
  2598. 00:28:51,995 --> 00:28:55,897
  2599. because I think I might finally
  2600. be onto something that...
  2601.  
  2602. 553
  2603. 00:28:55,899 --> 00:28:59,968
  2604. ...that really support what
  2605. you've been saying for months.
  2606.  
  2607. 554
  2608. 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:02,440
  2609. I need to talk to a man
  2610. called Frank Koza.
  2611.  
  2612. 555
  2613. 00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:07,375
  2614. He's NSA.
  2615.  
  2616. 556
  2617. 00:29:07,377 --> 00:29:09,280
  2618. Head of Regional Targets.
  2619.  
  2620. 557
  2621. 00:29:11,749 --> 00:29:12,817
  2622. You know him?
  2623.  
  2624. 558
  2625. 00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:17,085
  2626. I'm sorry, Ed.
  2627.  
  2628. 559
  2629. 00:29:17,087 --> 00:29:19,589
  2630. I can't give out
  2631. that kind of information.
  2632.  
  2633. 560
  2634. 00:29:41,846 --> 00:29:43,412
  2635. - What are you doing here?
  2636. - I'm sorry.
  2637.  
  2638. 561
  2639. 00:29:43,414 --> 00:29:44,880
  2640. - I didn't wanna call.
  2641. - How long have you been here?
  2642.  
  2643. 562
  2644. 00:29:44,882 --> 00:29:46,548
  2645. We're not supposed
  2646. to be meeting.
  2647.  
  2648. 563
  2649. 00:29:46,550 --> 00:29:48,482
  2650. I know, I've just...
  2651.  
  2652. 564
  2653. 00:29:48,484 --> 00:29:51,019
  2654. I've been following the news
  2655. and I haven't seen
  2656.  
  2657. 565
  2658. 00:29:51,021 --> 00:29:52,688
  2659. or heard anything
  2660. for three weeks.
  2661.  
  2662. 566
  2663. 00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:54,155
  2664. Okay, well,
  2665. I've given it to my contact
  2666.  
  2667. 567
  2668. 00:29:54,157 --> 00:29:55,857
  2669. and apparently,
  2670. she's having a very hard time
  2671.  
  2672. 568
  2673. 00:29:55,859 --> 00:29:58,463
  2674. getting the papers to
  2675. believe that it's not a fake.
  2676.  
  2677. 569
  2678. 00:30:00,430 --> 00:30:02,233
  2679. Oh, uh...
  2680.  
  2681. 570
  2682. 00:30:02,966 --> 00:30:05,800
  2683. Well, maybe that's okay.
  2684.  
  2685. 571
  2686. 00:30:05,802 --> 00:30:07,001
  2687. You know, I...
  2688.  
  2689. 572
  2690. 00:30:07,003 --> 00:30:08,170
  2691. Look, I mean,
  2692. all of the polls said
  2693.  
  2694. 573
  2695. 00:30:08,172 --> 00:30:09,471
  2696. everyone's against
  2697. the war, anyway
  2698.  
  2699. 574
  2700. 00:30:09,473 --> 00:30:11,874
  2701. and I, and I've
  2702. just been thinking...
  2703.  
  2704. 575
  2705. 00:30:11,876 --> 00:30:15,109
  2706. Look, I think
  2707. that I acted too rashly
  2708.  
  2709. 576
  2710. 00:30:15,111 --> 00:30:16,444
  2711. on impulse.
  2712. I didn't think...
  2713.  
  2714. 577
  2715. 00:30:16,446 --> 00:30:18,113
  2716. Jesus, Katharine,
  2717. is it a fake?
  2718.  
  2719. 578
  2720. 00:30:18,115 --> 00:30:19,615
  2721. Of course it's not a fake.
  2722. It's real.
  2723.  
  2724. 579
  2725. 00:30:19,617 --> 00:30:21,083
  2726. Well, then just go home!
  2727.  
  2728. 580
  2729. 00:30:21,085 --> 00:30:24,419
  2730. Okay, don't talk about this
  2731. to anyone, ever!
  2732.  
  2733. 581
  2734. 00:30:24,421 --> 00:30:25,490
  2735. Just...
  2736.  
  2737. 582
  2738. 00:30:27,424 --> 00:30:30,261
  2739. - Sorry.
  2740. - It's out of our hands now.
  2741.  
  2742. 583
  2743. 00:30:32,128 --> 00:30:33,330
  2744. Sorry.
  2745.  
  2746. 584
  2747. 00:30:35,299 --> 00:30:38,400
  2748. The truth is,
  2749. the whole document could be a fake.
  2750.  
  2751. 585
  2752. 00:30:38,402 --> 00:30:41,135
  2753. But we're satisfied
  2754. the language used is real.
  2755.  
  2756. 586
  2757. 00:30:41,137 --> 00:30:42,772
  2758. - It's fascinating.
  2759. - Yeah.
  2760.  
  2761. 587
  2762. 00:30:45,242 --> 00:30:47,942
  2763. Is this document actually
  2764. in your possession?
  2765.  
  2766. 588
  2767. 00:30:47,944 --> 00:30:50,211
  2768. Well, if it were, I'd be in
  2769. breach of the Official Secrets Act
  2770.  
  2771. 589
  2772. 00:30:50,213 --> 00:30:51,645
  2773. wouldn't I?
  2774.  
  2775. 590
  2776. 00:30:51,647 --> 00:30:53,314
  2777. (BOTH LAUGH)
  2778.  
  2779. 591
  2780. 00:30:53,316 --> 00:30:55,049
  2781. So based on what might be
  2782. in this document...
  2783.  
  2784. 592
  2785. 00:30:55,051 --> 00:30:56,652
  2786. - That you don't have.
  2787. - That I don't yet have.
  2788.  
  2789. 593
  2790. 00:30:56,654 --> 00:30:58,319
  2791. But that you want
  2792. to print in your paper.
  2793.  
  2794. 594
  2795. 00:30:58,321 --> 00:31:00,654
  2796. If you don't issue a
  2797. D-notice against publication.
  2798.  
  2799. 595
  2800. 00:31:00,656 --> 00:31:02,156
  2801. Well, which I will
  2802. most certainly do
  2803.  
  2804. 596
  2805. 00:31:02,158 --> 00:31:04,392
  2806. if I think the publication
  2807. might in any way
  2808.  
  2809. 597
  2810. 00:31:04,394 --> 00:31:06,294
  2811. endanger the lives
  2812. of British people
  2813.  
  2814. 598
  2815. 00:31:06,296 --> 00:31:08,096
  2816. or British forces.
  2817.  
  2818. 599
  2819. 00:31:08,098 --> 00:31:09,897
  2820. - Understood.
  2821. - Good.
  2822.  
  2823. 600
  2824. 00:31:09,899 --> 00:31:11,700
  2825. (CHUCKLES)
  2826.  
  2827. 601
  2828. 00:31:11,702 --> 00:31:12,703
  2829. Go on.
  2830.  
  2831. 602
  2832. 00:31:14,003 --> 00:31:16,003
  2833. Would you say
  2834. it were likely real
  2835.  
  2836. 603
  2837. 00:31:16,005 --> 00:31:18,039
  2838. or a forgery?
  2839.  
  2840. 604
  2841. 00:31:18,041 --> 00:31:20,241
  2842. What do you think?
  2843.  
  2844. 605
  2845. 00:31:20,243 --> 00:31:22,176
  2846. I think it could be a fake
  2847.  
  2848. 606
  2849. 00:31:22,178 --> 00:31:24,548
  2850. put out
  2851. by the anti-war movement...
  2852.  
  2853. 607
  2854. 00:31:25,682 --> 00:31:28,584
  2855. ...or by a foreign agency
  2856. to embarrass the US.
  2857.  
  2858. 608
  2859. 00:31:28,586 --> 00:31:31,720
  2860. - Which agency?
  2861. - The Russians.
  2862.  
  2863. 609
  2864. 00:31:31,722 --> 00:31:33,355
  2865. I mean, the French
  2866. oppose the war, too,
  2867.  
  2868. 610
  2869. 00:31:33,357 --> 00:31:34,823
  2870. but I don't think
  2871. they'd do this.
  2872.  
  2873. 611
  2874. 00:31:34,825 --> 00:31:37,491
  2875. I think you might be
  2876. overthinking it as usual, Martin.
  2877.  
  2878. 612
  2879. 00:31:37,493 --> 00:31:40,530
  2880. - Meaning?
  2881. - You tell me.
  2882.  
  2883. 613
  2884. 00:31:41,999 --> 00:31:44,868
  2885. Well, meaning it could be
  2886. exactly what it says it is.
  2887.  
  2888. 614
  2889. 00:31:48,205 --> 00:31:50,505
  2890. You know, Martin,
  2891. I believe that all information
  2892.  
  2893. 615
  2894. 00:31:50,507 --> 00:31:53,978
  2895. collected in the name of the
  2896. public should be made public.
  2897.  
  2898. 616
  2899. 00:31:55,412 --> 00:31:58,113
  2900. The only question is, when.
  2901.  
  2902. 617
  2903. 00:31:58,115 --> 00:32:02,151
  2904. But in this case,
  2905. I don't have the luxury of time, Admiral.
  2906.  
  2907. 618
  2908. 00:32:02,153 --> 00:32:04,555
  2909. Powell just made
  2910. a very strong case for war.
  2911.  
  2912. 619
  2913. 00:32:05,255 --> 00:32:06,656
  2914. Yes, I see.
  2915.  
  2916. 620
  2917. 00:32:10,828 --> 00:32:13,561
  2918. I have also always believed
  2919.  
  2920. 621
  2921. 00:32:13,563 --> 00:32:16,431
  2922. that censorship
  2923. when called for
  2924.  
  2925. 622
  2926. 00:32:16,433 --> 00:32:20,605
  2927. should be based
  2928. on security issues alone...
  2929.  
  2930. 623
  2931. 00:32:22,239 --> 00:32:23,570
  2932. ...not on whether
  2933. a news report
  2934.  
  2935. 624
  2936. 00:32:23,572 --> 00:32:25,508
  2937. might embarrass
  2938. a government.
  2939.  
  2940. 625
  2941. 00:32:30,146 --> 00:32:31,348
  2942. Thank you, Admiral.
  2943.  
  2944. 626
  2945. 00:32:32,649 --> 00:32:35,584
  2946. EDIE: (ON SPEAKER) Ed,
  2947. it's Edie from the London office.
  2948.  
  2949. 627
  2950. 00:32:35,586 --> 00:32:37,352
  2951. I got a weird message for you
  2952.  
  2953. 628
  2954. 00:32:37,354 --> 00:32:39,121
  2955. from someone
  2956. who wouldn't give his name.
  2957.  
  2958. 629
  2959. 00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,691
  2960. He said you should call
  2961. extension 6727.
  2962.  
  2963. 630
  2964. 00:32:42,693 --> 00:32:45,759
  2965. Makes no sense to me,
  2966. but maybe to you.
  2967.  
  2968. 631
  2969. 00:32:45,761 --> 00:32:48,529
  2970. 6727. Good luck.
  2971.  
  2972. 632
  2973. 00:32:48,531 --> 00:32:49,931
  2974. - 6727.
  2975. - Bye-bye.
  2976.  
  2977. 633
  2978. 00:32:49,933 --> 00:32:53,971
  2979. 6727. 6727. 6727.
  2980.  
  2981. 634
  2982. 00:32:55,271 --> 00:32:56,807
  2983. (BUTTONS BEEPING)
  2984.  
  2985. 635
  2986. 00:32:59,876 --> 00:33:01,309
  2987. 6727.
  2988.  
  2989. 636
  2990. 00:33:01,311 --> 00:33:04,413
  2991. (LINE RINGING)
  2992.  
  2993. 637
  2994. 00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:06,614
  2995. OPERATOR: NSA.
  2996. How may I direct your call?
  2997.  
  2998. 638
  2999. 00:33:06,616 --> 00:33:10,285
  3000. Hello.
  3001. Extension 6727, please.
  3002.  
  3003. 639
  3004. 00:33:10,287 --> 00:33:12,086
  3005. 6727?
  3006.  
  3007. 640
  3008. 00:33:12,088 --> 00:33:14,021
  3009. 6727, yes.
  3010.  
  3011. 641
  3012. 00:33:14,023 --> 00:33:15,025
  3013. One moment.
  3014.  
  3015. 642
  3016. 00:33:17,293 --> 00:33:18,695
  3017. SECRETARY:
  3018. Frank Koza's office.
  3019.  
  3020. 643
  3021. 00:33:20,496 --> 00:33:22,931
  3022. Hello, may I speak
  3023. to Mr. Frank Koza, please?
  3024.  
  3025. 644
  3026. 00:33:22,933 --> 00:33:23,798
  3027. Who shall I say is calling?
  3028.  
  3029. 645
  3030. 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,334
  3031. I can't say.
  3032. Just put me through.
  3033.  
  3034. 646
  3035. 00:33:26,336 --> 00:33:27,538
  3036. Yes, sir.
  3037.  
  3038. 647
  3039. 00:33:29,706 --> 00:33:30,840
  3040. KOZA: Hello?
  3041.  
  3042. 648
  3043. 00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:35,243
  3044. Mr. Koza? Mr. Frank Koza?
  3045.  
  3046. 649
  3047. 00:33:35,245 --> 00:33:37,612
  3048. Yes. Who's calling?
  3049.  
  3050. 650
  3051. 00:33:37,614 --> 00:33:39,647
  3052. Mr. Koza,
  3053. my name is Ed Vulliamy.
  3054.  
  3055. 651
  3056. 00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:42,451
  3057. I work for The Observer
  3058. newspaper in London.
  3059.  
  3060. 652
  3061. 00:33:42,453 --> 00:33:45,990
  3062. I wanted to ask you about
  3063. a memo you sent to GCHQ.
  3064.  
  3065. 653
  3066. 00:33:49,925 --> 00:33:51,095
  3067. Mr. Koza?
  3068.  
  3069. 654
  3070. 00:33:52,928 --> 00:33:55,029
  3071. (LINE DISCONNECTS)
  3072.  
  3073. 655
  3074. 00:33:55,031 --> 00:33:58,400
  3075. - Do you think this is real?
  3076. - ED: (ON PHONE) Yes, they put me through.
  3077.  
  3078. 656
  3079. 00:33:58,402 --> 00:34:00,001
  3080. - To Frank Koza?
  3081. - Yes.
  3082.  
  3083. 657
  3084. 00:34:00,003 --> 00:34:02,104
  3085. And you spoke to him
  3086. directly, right, Ed?
  3087.  
  3088. 658
  3089. 00:34:02,106 --> 00:34:04,838
  3090. Well, we didn't exactly
  3091. have a conversation.
  3092.  
  3093. 659
  3094. 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,241
  3095. Did you speak to him or not?
  3096. Yes or no, Ed? Jesus.
  3097.  
  3098. 660
  3099. 00:34:07,243 --> 00:34:08,442
  3100. Yes, but he cut me off
  3101.  
  3102. 661
  3103. 00:34:08,444 --> 00:34:09,810
  3104. when I said I worked
  3105. for The Observer.
  3106.  
  3107. 662
  3108. 00:34:09,812 --> 00:34:12,814
  3109. But you're sure that he
  3110. exists, right, Ed?
  3111.  
  3112. 663
  3113. 00:34:12,816 --> 00:34:14,082
  3114. Hell yes, I'm sure!
  3115.  
  3116. 664
  3117. 00:34:14,084 --> 00:34:17,319
  3118. I said, "Mr. Koza?"
  3119. He said, "Yes, who's calling?"
  3120.  
  3121. 665
  3122. 00:34:17,321 --> 00:34:18,852
  3123. All right. Thank you, Ed.
  3124.  
  3125. 666
  3126. 00:34:18,854 --> 00:34:21,223
  3127. Try not to fuck
  3128. this one up, Roger.
  3129.  
  3130. 667
  3131. 00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:23,091
  3132. - Fuck off.
  3133. - You're welcome, anytime.
  3134.  
  3135. 668
  3136. 00:34:23,093 --> 00:34:24,095
  3137. (CHUCKLES)
  3138.  
  3139. 669
  3140. 00:34:25,095 --> 00:34:27,696
  3141. - KAMAL: Hitler Diaries.
  3142. - What?
  3143.  
  3144. 670
  3145. 00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:30,098
  3146. I'm just saying it smells of a
  3147. forgery like the Hitler Diaries
  3148.  
  3149. 671
  3150. 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,167
  3151. and, of course,
  3152. publishing those cost people their jobs.
  3153.  
  3154. 672
  3155. 00:34:32,169 --> 00:34:33,634
  3156. Which is precisely
  3157. why we're doing
  3158.  
  3159. 673
  3160. 00:34:33,636 --> 00:34:36,203
  3161. rigorous checking
  3162. on this, Kamal.
  3163.  
  3164. 674
  3165. 00:34:36,205 --> 00:34:38,339
  3166. - Who brought you this?
  3167. - Friend.
  3168.  
  3169. 675
  3170. 00:34:38,341 --> 00:34:40,341
  3171. - Someone from GCHQ?
  3172. - No.
  3173.  
  3174. 676
  3175. 00:34:40,343 --> 00:34:41,811
  3176. Then who?
  3177.  
  3178. 677
  3179. 00:34:44,747 --> 00:34:47,549
  3180. - Yvonne Ridley.
  3181. - ROGER: Yvonne fucking Ridley!
  3182.  
  3183. 678
  3184. 00:34:47,551 --> 00:34:49,651
  3185. The woman who fell off
  3186. a donkey in Afghanistan
  3187.  
  3188. 679
  3189. 00:34:49,653 --> 00:34:51,319
  3190. at some Taliban checkpoint!
  3191.  
  3192. 680
  3193. 00:34:51,321 --> 00:34:53,120
  3194. Her arse over a tit
  3195. with a camera up her burka
  3196.  
  3197. 681
  3198. 00:34:53,122 --> 00:34:54,388
  3199. and then she
  3200. converted to Islam
  3201.  
  3202. 682
  3203. 00:34:54,390 --> 00:34:55,823
  3204. after she was released
  3205. by her kidnapper.
  3206.  
  3207. 683
  3208. 00:34:55,825 --> 00:34:57,459
  3209. None of which means
  3210. she's not right!
  3211.  
  3212. 684
  3213. 00:34:57,461 --> 00:34:58,660
  3214. She's anti-war!
  3215.  
  3216. 685
  3217. 00:34:58,662 --> 00:35:01,162
  3218. She probably typed
  3219. the fucking thing herself.
  3220.  
  3221. 686
  3222. 00:35:01,164 --> 00:35:03,665
  3223. JAN: Martin, you realize the
  3224. legal risks we'll be taking?
  3225.  
  3226. 687
  3227. 00:35:03,667 --> 00:35:04,799
  3228. Yes.
  3229.  
  3230. 688
  3231. 00:35:04,801 --> 00:35:05,966
  3232. JAN: The last time we
  3233. published anything like this
  3234.  
  3235. 689
  3236. 00:35:05,968 --> 00:35:07,669
  3237. you and Roger
  3238. almost went to prison.
  3239.  
  3240. 690
  3241. 00:35:07,671 --> 00:35:09,238
  3242. Jan, the last time
  3243. our source claimed
  3244.  
  3245. 691
  3246. 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,973
  3247. MI6 had funded an attempted
  3248. assassination on Gaddafi.
  3249.  
  3250. 692
  3251. 00:35:11,975 --> 00:35:13,642
  3252. This document
  3253. doesn't accuse anyone
  3254.  
  3255. 693
  3256. 00:35:13,644 --> 00:35:15,576
  3257. of doing anything
  3258. remotely like that.
  3259.  
  3260. 694
  3261. 00:35:15,578 --> 00:35:19,046
  3262. No, it merely suggests
  3263. that the US government,
  3264.  
  3265. 695
  3266. 00:35:19,048 --> 00:35:22,616
  3267. with the help of Great Britain,
  3268. might try to twist arms
  3269.  
  3270. 696
  3271. 00:35:22,618 --> 00:35:25,653
  3272. and threaten UN delegates
  3273. into voting for a war in Iraq.
  3274.  
  3275. 697
  3276. 00:35:25,655 --> 00:35:27,792
  3277. It's a hell
  3278. of a story.
  3279.  
  3280. 698
  3281. 00:35:31,995 --> 00:35:33,627
  3282. Look, we know Koza exists.
  3283.  
  3284. 699
  3285. 00:35:33,629 --> 00:35:35,830
  3286. Beaver says the language
  3287. used is authentic.
  3288.  
  3289. 700
  3290. 00:35:35,832 --> 00:35:37,633
  3291. And Wilkinson says
  3292. that while publication
  3293.  
  3294. 701
  3295. 00:35:37,635 --> 00:35:38,901
  3296. may embarrass
  3297. both governments,
  3298.  
  3299. 702
  3300. 00:35:38,903 --> 00:35:40,701
  3301. he doesn't believe
  3302. that it poses a security risk
  3303.  
  3304. 703
  3305. 00:35:40,703 --> 00:35:42,803
  3306. to the British people
  3307. or the armed forces.
  3308.  
  3309. 704
  3310. 00:35:42,805 --> 00:35:44,138
  3311. Ironically,
  3312. publication may actually
  3313.  
  3314. 705
  3315. 00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:46,107
  3316. prevent a war
  3317. and save lives.
  3318.  
  3319. 706
  3320. 00:35:46,109 --> 00:35:48,176
  3321. - Well.
  3322. - MI6?
  3323.  
  3324. 707
  3325. 00:35:48,178 --> 00:35:51,581
  3326. - Would not confirm but did not deny.
  3327. - (SCOFFS)
  3328.  
  3329. 708
  3330. 00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:54,915
  3331. Jan, where are we legally?
  3332.  
  3333. 709
  3334. 00:35:54,917 --> 00:35:56,817
  3335. Wilkinson may not issue
  3336. a D-Notice
  3337.  
  3338. 710
  3339. 00:35:56,819 --> 00:35:59,220
  3340. but that doesn't stop Special
  3341. Branch from coming after us.
  3342.  
  3343. 711
  3344. 00:35:59,222 --> 00:36:02,423
  3345. - Thank you.
  3346. - Legally, we have a top secret document
  3347.  
  3348. 712
  3349. 00:36:02,425 --> 00:36:03,693
  3350. in our possession.
  3351.  
  3352. 713
  3353. 00:36:07,129 --> 00:36:09,430
  3354. Look, Rog, don't forget
  3355.  
  3356. 714
  3357. 00:36:09,432 --> 00:36:11,098
  3358. we're getting
  3359. detailed information
  3360.  
  3361. 715
  3362. 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,868
  3363. directly
  3364. from Blair's office.
  3365.  
  3366. 716
  3367. 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:14,701
  3368. - Fuck off.
  3369. - Well, he's right.
  3370.  
  3371. 717
  3372. 00:36:14,703 --> 00:36:17,339
  3373. Printing this kind of story
  3374. would kill that relationship.
  3375.  
  3376. 718
  3377. 00:36:17,341 --> 00:36:19,975
  3378. Since when did this paper
  3379. prioritize political access
  3380.  
  3381. 719
  3382. 00:36:19,977 --> 00:36:21,977
  3383. over its own
  3384. investigative reporting?
  3385.  
  3386. 720
  3387. 00:36:21,979 --> 00:36:24,546
  3388. - PETER: Yes.
  3389. - We have taken a position on this, guys!
  3390.  
  3391. 721
  3392. 00:36:24,548 --> 00:36:26,183
  3393. We support the war.
  3394.  
  3395. 722
  3396. 00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:30,488
  3397. Yes. We do.
  3398.  
  3399. 723
  3400. 00:36:31,955 --> 00:36:33,120
  3401. Fuck.
  3402.  
  3403. 724
  3404. 00:36:33,122 --> 00:36:35,059
  3405. ROGER: But Peter's right.
  3406.  
  3407. 725
  3408. 00:36:35,825 --> 00:36:37,995
  3409. This is a fucking good story.
  3410.  
  3411. 726
  3412. 00:36:48,972 --> 00:36:50,207
  3413. Thank you, Roger.
  3414. (CLEARS THROAT)
  3415.  
  3416. 727
  3417. 00:36:52,242 --> 00:36:53,510
  3418. (DOOR CLOSES)
  3419.  
  3420. 728
  3421. 00:36:54,077 --> 00:36:55,111
  3422. Here we go.
  3423.  
  3424. 729
  3425. 00:37:07,323 --> 00:37:08,957
  3426. Wait, I'll come with you.
  3427.  
  3428. 730
  3429. 00:37:08,959 --> 00:37:10,390
  3430. I'm just going to go
  3431. get some milk.
  3432.  
  3433. 731
  3434. 00:37:10,392 --> 00:37:11,892
  3435. Go back to bed.
  3436. I'll bring you a coffee.
  3437.  
  3438. 732
  3439. 00:37:11,894 --> 00:37:12,929
  3440. Okay.
  3441.  
  3442. 733
  3443. 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,043
  3444. - Hi.
  3445. - Morning.
  3446.  
  3447. 734
  3448. 00:37:43,993 --> 00:37:45,095
  3449. Hey.
  3450.  
  3451. 735
  3452. 00:37:52,669 --> 00:37:54,138
  3453. What's the matter, janum?
  3454.  
  3455. 736
  3456. 00:37:57,807 --> 00:37:59,506
  3457. (KATHARINE RETCHES)
  3458.  
  3459. 737
  3460. 00:37:59,508 --> 00:38:00,711
  3461. What's going on?
  3462.  
  3463. 738
  3464. 00:38:08,651 --> 00:38:10,484
  3465. - Bravo, Martin.
  3466. - MAN: Ah, there he is.
  3467.  
  3468. 739
  3469. 00:38:10,486 --> 00:38:11,886
  3470. Well done.
  3471.  
  3472. 740
  3473. 00:38:11,888 --> 00:38:13,788
  3474. (CHEERING)
  3475.  
  3476. 741
  3477. 00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:16,625
  3478. - WOMAN: Here he is!
  3479. - MAN: Nice one, Martin.
  3480.  
  3481. 742
  3482. 00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:18,762
  3483. (INDISTINCT CHATTER)
  3484.  
  3485. 743
  3486. 00:38:23,033 --> 00:38:26,767
  3487. ROGER:
  3488. Brighty, congratulations.
  3489.  
  3490. 744
  3491. 00:38:26,769 --> 00:38:28,270
  3492. Bloody brilliant.
  3493.  
  3494. 745
  3495. 00:38:28,272 --> 00:38:30,203
  3496. - Thank you.
  3497. - What have you got for me next?
  3498.  
  3499. 746
  3500. 00:38:30,205 --> 00:38:32,240
  3501. PETER: Every major
  3502. European paper is citing us
  3503.  
  3504. 747
  3505. 00:38:32,242 --> 00:38:34,810
  3506. and we've had calls
  3507. in from CNN, NBC, and Fox.
  3508.  
  3509. 748
  3510. 00:38:34,812 --> 00:38:36,544
  3511. They all want to interview you
  3512. for their morning shows
  3513.  
  3514. 749
  3515. 00:38:36,546 --> 00:38:37,946
  3516. when they wake up in the US.
  3517.  
  3518. 750
  3519. 00:38:37,948 --> 00:38:39,145
  3520. Any response
  3521. from Downing Street?
  3522.  
  3523. 751
  3524. 00:38:39,147 --> 00:38:41,885
  3525. We got a call in,
  3526. but they're scrambling.
  3527.  
  3528. 752
  3529. 00:38:45,689 --> 00:38:46,957
  3530. Martin, line 2.
  3531.  
  3532. 753
  3533. 00:38:48,524 --> 00:38:49,792
  3534. Martin Bright.
  3535.  
  3536. 754
  3537. 00:38:51,227 --> 00:38:53,262
  3538. Thank you. Thank you.
  3539.  
  3540. 755
  3541. 00:38:54,062 --> 00:38:55,330
  3542. No.
  3543.  
  3544. 756
  3545. 00:38:55,332 --> 00:38:57,701
  3546. Uh, no, the person who leaked
  3547. it hasn't been identified.
  3548.  
  3549. 757
  3550. 00:39:00,502 --> 00:39:02,569
  3551. YASAR: Why'd you do it?
  3552.  
  3553. 758
  3554. 00:39:02,571 --> 00:39:04,205
  3555. I just thought
  3556. that they'd investigate.
  3557.  
  3558. 759
  3559. 00:39:04,207 --> 00:39:06,240
  3560. I never expected them
  3561. to print the whole memo.
  3562.  
  3563. 760
  3564. 00:39:06,242 --> 00:39:07,542
  3565. Why didn't you tell me?
  3566.  
  3567. 761
  3568. 00:39:07,544 --> 00:39:10,147
  3569. Sorry, I didn't,
  3570. I didn't, I...
  3571.  
  3572. 762
  3573. 00:39:11,147 --> 00:39:12,747
  3574. I thought that you would try
  3575. and talk me out of it
  3576.  
  3577. 763
  3578. 00:39:12,749 --> 00:39:13,814
  3579. and I didn't want you to.
  3580.  
  3581. 764
  3582. 00:39:13,816 --> 00:39:15,482
  3583. - My God, janum.
  3584. - I'm so sorry.
  3585.  
  3586. 765
  3587. 00:39:15,484 --> 00:39:16,854
  3588. They don't
  3589. mention your name?
  3590.  
  3591. 766
  3592. 00:39:18,754 --> 00:39:22,126
  3593. - I haven't told anyone.
  3594. - Good. That's good.
  3595.  
  3596. 767
  3597. 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,830
  3598. That's very kind.
  3599. All right, thank you.
  3600.  
  3601. 768
  3602. 00:39:28,397 --> 00:39:31,466
  3603. Why don't you get in touch
  3604. with your friend Tony, Kamal?
  3605.  
  3606. 769
  3607. 00:39:31,468 --> 00:39:34,069
  3608. - Ask him if he has an opinion.
  3609. - That's not funny, Rog.
  3610.  
  3611. 770
  3612. 00:39:34,071 --> 00:39:35,069
  3613. - Martin?
  3614. - Yes?
  3615.  
  3616. 771
  3617. 00:39:35,071 --> 00:39:37,305
  3618. NBC just canceled
  3619. your interview.
  3620.  
  3621. 772
  3622. 00:39:37,307 --> 00:39:38,375
  3623. What?
  3624.  
  3625. 773
  3626. 00:39:39,843 --> 00:39:42,642
  3627. NBC no longer wished
  3628. to interview Martin.
  3629.  
  3630. 774
  3631. 00:39:42,644 --> 00:39:44,979
  3632. Did they say why?
  3633.  
  3634. 775
  3635. 00:39:44,981 --> 00:39:46,647
  3636. They just said sorry,
  3637. but they didn't think
  3638.  
  3639. 776
  3640. 00:39:46,649 --> 00:39:48,281
  3641. they could
  3642. fit you in anymore.
  3643.  
  3644. 777
  3645. 00:39:48,283 --> 00:39:49,417
  3646. Really?
  3647.  
  3648. 778
  3649. 00:39:49,419 --> 00:39:52,654
  3650. Brighty, reporter
  3651. from Santiago.
  3652.  
  3653. 779
  3654. 00:39:52,656 --> 00:39:54,692
  3655. Thank you. Martin Bright.
  3656.  
  3657. 780
  3658. 00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:57,825
  3659. MARTIN: Ah, uh. No.
  3660.  
  3661. 781
  3662. 00:39:57,827 --> 00:39:59,528
  3663. At this stage,
  3664. we have no idea what information
  3665.  
  3666. 782
  3667. 00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:01,263
  3668. was gathered from Chile
  3669. or any of the other countries.
  3670.  
  3671. 783
  3672. 00:40:01,265 --> 00:40:02,529
  3673. - Peter.
  3674. - Yeah?
  3675.  
  3676. 784
  3677. 00:40:02,531 --> 00:40:04,732
  3678. Fox says that
  3679. they have to cancel.
  3680.  
  3681. 785
  3682. 00:40:04,734 --> 00:40:05,933
  3683. What? Why?
  3684.  
  3685. 786
  3686. 00:40:05,935 --> 00:40:08,602
  3687. Uh, yeah, Mexico
  3688. is furious too.
  3689.  
  3690. 787
  3691. 00:40:08,604 --> 00:40:09,937
  3692. Okay.
  3693. Thank you.
  3694.  
  3695. 788
  3696. 00:40:09,939 --> 00:40:11,404
  3697. - Martin?
  3698. - Yes?
  3699.  
  3700. 789
  3701. 00:40:11,406 --> 00:40:13,142
  3702. I've got a producer
  3703. from CNN.
  3704.  
  3705. 790
  3706. 00:40:15,446 --> 00:40:16,447
  3707. Martin Bright.
  3708.  
  3709. 791
  3710. 00:40:19,249 --> 00:40:20,250
  3711. I see.
  3712.  
  3713. 792
  3714. 00:40:22,084 --> 00:40:24,454
  3715. No. No, no. No, no.
  3716. That's all right.
  3717.  
  3718. 793
  3719. 00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:26,720
  3720. Ah...
  3721.  
  3722. 794
  3723. 00:40:26,722 --> 00:40:28,024
  3724. May I ask why?
  3725.  
  3726. 795
  3727. 00:40:29,658 --> 00:40:31,828
  3728. Yes, I stand by it.
  3729. Of course I stand by it.
  3730.  
  3731. 796
  3732. 00:40:32,729 --> 00:40:34,064
  3733. The Drudge Report?
  3734.  
  3735. 797
  3736. 00:40:37,434 --> 00:40:38,435
  3737. Yeah.
  3738.  
  3739. 798
  3740. 00:40:39,401 --> 00:40:41,069
  3741. All right, okay.
  3742.  
  3743. 799
  3744. 00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:43,470
  3745. ROGER:
  3746. What the fuck is going on?
  3747.  
  3748. 800
  3749. 00:40:43,472 --> 00:40:46,209
  3750. (KEYBOARD CLACKING)
  3751.  
  3752. 801
  3753. 00:41:00,122 --> 00:41:01,221
  3754. It's fake.
  3755.  
  3756. 802
  3757. 00:41:01,223 --> 00:41:03,057
  3758. We've printed
  3759. a fake fucking memo
  3760.  
  3761. 803
  3762. 00:41:03,059 --> 00:41:05,261
  3763. from Yvonne
  3764. fucking Ridley!
  3765.  
  3766. 804
  3767. 00:41:09,798 --> 00:41:13,634
  3768. Oh, you fucking idiot.
  3769. There. You see it?
  3770.  
  3771. 805
  3772. 00:41:13,636 --> 00:41:15,303
  3773. Because the Americans did.
  3774.  
  3775. 806
  3776. 00:41:15,305 --> 00:41:18,205
  3777. Favourable. F-A-V-O-U-R.
  3778.  
  3779. 807
  3780. 00:41:18,207 --> 00:41:23,111
  3781. Some English cunt has tried
  3782. to fake an American NSA memo
  3783.  
  3784. 808
  3785. 00:41:23,113 --> 00:41:25,580
  3786. and you fucking schmucks
  3787. fell for it.
  3788.  
  3789. 809
  3790. 00:41:25,582 --> 00:41:27,818
  3791. Wait. Martin,
  3792. where's the original?
  3793.  
  3794. 810
  3795. 00:41:28,818 --> 00:41:29,884
  3796. Where's the original document?
  3797.  
  3798. 811
  3799. 00:41:29,886 --> 00:41:31,187
  3800. ROGER: Jesus.
  3801.  
  3802. 812
  3803. 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,464
  3804. - American spelling.
  3805. - ROGER: What?
  3806.  
  3807. 813
  3808. 00:41:44,466 --> 00:41:46,235
  3809. MARTIN: The original
  3810. has American spelling.
  3811.  
  3812. 814
  3813. 00:41:48,271 --> 00:41:50,537
  3814. And this is
  3815. what I filed, see?
  3816.  
  3817. 815
  3818. 00:41:50,539 --> 00:41:52,173
  3819. Favorable. O-R.
  3820.  
  3821. 816
  3822. 00:41:52,175 --> 00:41:53,908
  3823. Just like the original.
  3824. Not O-U-R.
  3825.  
  3826. 817
  3827. 00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,914
  3828. And recognize with a Z,
  3829. not an S.
  3830.  
  3831. 818
  3832. 00:42:01,484 --> 00:42:03,319
  3833. Who changed what I wrote?
  3834.  
  3835. 819
  3836. 00:42:06,756 --> 00:42:08,055
  3837. Who...
  3838.  
  3839. 820
  3840. 00:42:08,057 --> 00:42:09,189
  3841. Who changed
  3842. what I fucking wrote?
  3843.  
  3844. 821
  3845. 00:42:09,191 --> 00:42:11,360
  3846. ROGER: Come on, speak up!
  3847. Who did this?
  3848.  
  3849. 822
  3850. 00:42:24,539 --> 00:42:26,309
  3851. Nicole,
  3852. what did you do?
  3853.  
  3854. 823
  3855. 00:42:28,276 --> 00:42:29,512
  3856. I, um...
  3857.  
  3858. 824
  3859. 00:42:31,546 --> 00:42:33,316
  3860. I ran it through spell check.
  3861.  
  3862. 825
  3863. 00:42:37,754 --> 00:42:40,057
  3864. - Spell check?
  3865. - Jesus.
  3866.  
  3867. 826
  3868. 00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:43,890
  3869. That's what I always do.
  3870. I'm so sorry.
  3871.  
  3872. 827
  3873. 00:42:43,892 --> 00:42:45,660
  3874. Do not cry, Nicole.
  3875.  
  3876. 828
  3877. 00:42:45,662 --> 00:42:48,131
  3878. Do not fucking cry.
  3879.  
  3880. 829
  3881. 00:42:53,135 --> 00:42:54,935
  3882. Okay, well, we know
  3883. that it's not fake.
  3884.  
  3885. 830
  3886. 00:42:54,937 --> 00:42:57,805
  3887. We go online, we explain what
  3888. happened, we call all of the networks.
  3889.  
  3890. 831
  3891. 00:42:57,807 --> 00:42:59,173
  3892. Stop it, Martin.
  3893.  
  3894. 832
  3895. 00:42:59,175 --> 00:43:01,843
  3896. Fuck, Rog, it was
  3897. an honest mistake.
  3898.  
  3899. 833
  3900. 00:43:01,845 --> 00:43:04,011
  3901. Don't be so naive.
  3902.  
  3903. 834
  3904. 00:43:04,013 --> 00:43:07,247
  3905. You're an American editor.
  3906. What story do you put out now?
  3907.  
  3908. 835
  3909. 00:43:07,249 --> 00:43:10,319
  3910. That The Observer is
  3911. doubling down on a fake memo?
  3912.  
  3913. 836
  3914. 00:43:11,287 --> 00:43:13,053
  3915. Or that the staff
  3916. of this newspaper
  3917.  
  3918. 837
  3919. 00:43:13,055 --> 00:43:16,492
  3920. are really so
  3921. colossally stupid!
  3922.  
  3923. 838
  3924. 00:43:20,796 --> 00:43:22,331
  3925. (NICOLE SOBBING)
  3926.  
  3927. 839
  3928. 00:43:29,972 --> 00:43:33,042
  3929. It's all right.
  3930. Would you like a cup of tea?
  3931.  
  3932. 840
  3933. 00:43:53,763 --> 00:43:55,663
  3934. FIONA:
  3935. Someone in this building
  3936.  
  3937. 841
  3938. 00:43:55,665 --> 00:44:00,133
  3939. has betrayed their government
  3940. and their country.
  3941.  
  3942. 842
  3943. 00:44:00,135 --> 00:44:03,037
  3944. Now I'm sure it wasn't
  3945. anyone in this division,
  3946.  
  3947. 843
  3948. 00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,638
  3949. but starting today,
  3950.  
  3951. 844
  3952. 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,908
  3953. Internal Security will be
  3954. conducting interviews
  3955.  
  3956. 845
  3957. 00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:10,712
  3958. with each
  3959. and every one of you.
  3960.  
  3961. 846
  3962. 00:44:10,714 --> 00:44:14,214
  3963. If you know anything
  3964. or suspect anyone,
  3965.  
  3966. 847
  3967. 00:44:14,216 --> 00:44:17,917
  3968. it is your sworn duty
  3969. to speak up.
  3970.  
  3971. 848
  3972. 00:44:17,919 --> 00:44:20,388
  3973. If you do not
  3974. and you are found to have
  3975.  
  3976. 849
  3977. 00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:22,790
  3978. withheld information
  3979. of any kind,
  3980.  
  3981. 850
  3982. 00:44:22,792 --> 00:44:25,292
  3983. you will be charged
  3984. with a breach
  3985.  
  3986. 851
  3987. 00:44:25,294 --> 00:44:28,197
  3988. of the Official Secrets Act.
  3989.  
  3990. 852
  3991. 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,537
  3992. (HEAVY BREATHING)
  3993.  
  3994. 853
  3995. 00:45:16,446 --> 00:45:19,580
  3996. You should see the file
  3997. that tosser's got on me.
  3998.  
  3999. 854
  4000. 00:45:19,582 --> 00:45:21,417
  4001. - What did he ask you?
  4002. - FIONA: Katharine!
  4003.  
  4004. 855
  4005. 00:45:32,095 --> 00:45:33,629
  4006. Come in, Katharine.
  4007.  
  4008. 856
  4009. 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,966
  4010. - Katharine Gun?
  4011. - Yes?
  4012.  
  4013. 857
  4014. 00:45:39,968 --> 00:45:42,671
  4015. I'm John from
  4016. Internal Security. Please.
  4017.  
  4018. 858
  4019. 00:45:50,046 --> 00:45:51,281
  4020. (EXHALES)
  4021.  
  4022. 859
  4023. 00:45:56,019 --> 00:45:58,055
  4024. Mandarin translator.
  4025.  
  4026. 860
  4027. 00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:01,656
  4028. GCHQ for two years.
  4029.  
  4030. 861
  4031. 00:46:01,658 --> 00:46:04,024
  4032. - Yes.
  4033. - And before that?
  4034.  
  4035. 862
  4036. 00:46:04,026 --> 00:46:06,259
  4037. I taught English
  4038. to Japanese students.
  4039.  
  4040. 863
  4041. 00:46:06,261 --> 00:46:08,231
  4042. - Hiroshima, right?
  4043. - Yes.
  4044.  
  4045. 864
  4046. 00:46:09,097 --> 00:46:10,897
  4047. Interesting.
  4048.  
  4049. 865
  4050. 00:46:10,899 --> 00:46:13,868
  4051. Did you visit the memorial?
  4052.  
  4053. 866
  4054. 00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:15,035
  4055. The peace memorial?
  4056.  
  4057. 867
  4058. 00:46:15,037 --> 00:46:17,274
  4059. To the people
  4060. killed by the atomic bomb?
  4061.  
  4062. 868
  4063. 00:46:19,042 --> 00:46:20,808
  4064. Yes, actually, I did.
  4065.  
  4066. 869
  4067. 00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:21,845
  4068. It's, uh...
  4069.  
  4070. 870
  4071. 00:46:23,412 --> 00:46:24,745
  4072. It's something
  4073. you really have to see.
  4074.  
  4075. 871
  4076. 00:46:24,747 --> 00:46:26,149
  4077. It's very moving.
  4078.  
  4079. 872
  4080. 00:46:28,450 --> 00:46:31,718
  4081. Compels one to think
  4082. about the consequences of war,
  4083.  
  4084. 873
  4085. 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,888
  4086. doesn't it?
  4087.  
  4088. 874
  4089. 00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:37,424
  4090. - Yes, I suppose it does.
  4091. - Are you anti-war, Katharine?
  4092.  
  4093. 875
  4094. 00:46:37,426 --> 00:46:38,558
  4095. No.
  4096.  
  4097. 876
  4098. 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,765
  4099. Uh, I think
  4100. sometimes war is necessary.
  4101.  
  4102. 877
  4103. 00:46:46,903 --> 00:46:49,002
  4104. I see you lived in Taiwan
  4105. as a child?
  4106.  
  4107. 878
  4108. 00:46:49,004 --> 00:46:51,205
  4109. - Yes.
  4110. - How long did you live there?
  4111.  
  4112. 879
  4113. 00:46:51,207 --> 00:46:53,040
  4114. We moved over
  4115. when I was three.
  4116.  
  4117. 880
  4118. 00:46:53,042 --> 00:46:55,308
  4119. I came back
  4120. to do my A-levels.
  4121.  
  4122. 881
  4123. 00:46:55,310 --> 00:46:56,678
  4124. So for most
  4125. of your childhood then?
  4126.  
  4127. 882
  4128. 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,681
  4129. Yes.
  4130.  
  4131. 883
  4132. 00:46:59,115 --> 00:47:00,781
  4133. You had
  4134. a religious upbringing?
  4135.  
  4136. 884
  4137. 00:47:00,783 --> 00:47:02,015
  4138. No, not particularly.
  4139.  
  4140. 885
  4141. 00:47:02,017 --> 00:47:03,149
  4142. But were you sent away
  4143.  
  4144. 886
  4145. 00:47:03,151 --> 00:47:05,386
  4146. to a Christian missionary
  4147. school in Taiwan?
  4148.  
  4149. 887
  4150. 00:47:05,388 --> 00:47:06,419
  4151. Yes.
  4152.  
  4153. 888
  4154. 00:47:06,421 --> 00:47:08,388
  4155. Gave you a clear sense
  4156. of right and wrong, did it,
  4157.  
  4158. 889
  4159. 00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:09,624
  4160. being in a mission school?
  4161.  
  4162. 890
  4163. 00:47:09,626 --> 00:47:10,991
  4164. I think my parents
  4165. gave me that.
  4166.  
  4167. 891
  4168. 00:47:10,993 --> 00:47:12,125
  4169. (CHUCKLES)
  4170.  
  4171. 892
  4172. 00:47:12,127 --> 00:47:13,463
  4173. Did you leak
  4174. the Koza e-mail?
  4175.  
  4176. 893
  4177. 00:47:14,698 --> 00:47:15,997
  4178. - No.
  4179. - No?
  4180.  
  4181. 894
  4182. 00:47:15,999 --> 00:47:17,200
  4183. No.
  4184.  
  4185. 895
  4186. 00:47:19,234 --> 00:47:20,700
  4187. - But you read it?
  4188. - Yes.
  4189.  
  4190. 896
  4191. 00:47:20,702 --> 00:47:23,270
  4192. I mean, it was sent to me,
  4193. so I read it.
  4194.  
  4195. 897
  4196. 00:47:23,272 --> 00:47:25,908
  4197. What were your immediate
  4198. thoughts after you read it?
  4199.  
  4200. 898
  4201. 00:47:27,142 --> 00:47:28,709
  4202. Nothing much.
  4203. It didn't really bother me.
  4204.  
  4205. 899
  4206. 00:47:28,711 --> 00:47:30,847
  4207. - It didn't?
  4208. - No.
  4209.  
  4210. 900
  4211. 00:47:33,249 --> 00:47:35,651
  4212. Who do you think
  4213. might have leaked it?
  4214.  
  4215. 901
  4216. 00:47:39,821 --> 00:47:42,122
  4217. - I have no idea.
  4218. - No?
  4219.  
  4220. 902
  4221. 00:47:42,124 --> 00:47:44,024
  4222. - No.
  4223. - No?
  4224.  
  4225. 903
  4226. 00:47:44,026 --> 00:47:45,227
  4227. No.
  4228.  
  4229. 904
  4230. 00:47:47,863 --> 00:47:49,598
  4231. Thank you, Mrs. Gun.
  4232.  
  4233. 905
  4234. 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:52,468
  4235. That's all for now.
  4236.  
  4237. 906
  4238. 00:47:58,908 --> 00:48:00,874
  4239. Eat a little.
  4240.  
  4241. 907
  4242. 00:48:00,876 --> 00:48:01,877
  4243. Please.
  4244.  
  4245. 908
  4246. 00:48:04,546 --> 00:48:07,716
  4247. They're bringing everyone in.
  4248. One by one.
  4249.  
  4250. 909
  4251. 00:48:11,321 --> 00:48:12,756
  4252. You haven't said anything?
  4253.  
  4254. 910
  4255. 00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:15,858
  4256. Okay. Just eat a little.
  4257.  
  4258. 911
  4259. 00:48:19,461 --> 00:48:21,463
  4260. Everything
  4261. will be all right.
  4262.  
  4263. 912
  4264. 00:48:26,001 --> 00:48:27,203
  4265. Eat.
  4266.  
  4267. 913
  4268. 00:48:35,144 --> 00:48:37,211
  4269. Hi, Fiona, it's Katharine.
  4270.  
  4271. 914
  4272. 00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:38,779
  4273. Um...
  4274.  
  4275. 915
  4276. 00:48:38,781 --> 00:48:39,879
  4277. I'm so sorry
  4278.  
  4279. 916
  4280. 00:48:39,881 --> 00:48:42,450
  4281. but I don't think I'm gonna
  4282. be able to come in today.
  4283.  
  4284. 917
  4285. 00:48:42,452 --> 00:48:45,354
  4286. Yeah, I think
  4287. I've caught a tummy bug.
  4288.  
  4289. 918
  4290. 00:48:47,156 --> 00:48:48,358
  4291. Yeah.
  4292.  
  4293. 919
  4294. 00:48:49,658 --> 00:48:51,158
  4295. Thank you.
  4296.  
  4297. 920
  4298. 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,394
  4299. Thank you so much.
  4300.  
  4301. 921
  4302. 00:48:53,396 --> 00:48:54,964
  4303. What'd she say?
  4304.  
  4305. 922
  4306. 00:48:56,066 --> 00:48:57,765
  4307. She said
  4308. I should get some rest.
  4309.  
  4310. 923
  4311. 00:48:57,767 --> 00:48:59,265
  4312. Good.
  4313.  
  4314. 924
  4315. 00:48:59,267 --> 00:49:01,370
  4316. - She was nice.
  4317. - That's good.
  4318.  
  4319. 925
  4320. 00:49:03,807 --> 00:49:04,874
  4321. Try and sleep.
  4322.  
  4323. 926
  4324. 00:49:08,077 --> 00:49:09,845
  4325. Sorry, I have to go.
  4326.  
  4327. 927
  4328. 00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:25,158
  4329. REPORTER: ...ask you about a
  4330. report in The Observer newspaper
  4331.  
  4332. 928
  4333. 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,160
  4334. in London, a memo
  4335.  
  4336. 929
  4337. 00:49:27,162 --> 00:49:30,698
  4338. reported to be from a man
  4339. who actually works at the NSA
  4340.  
  4341. 930
  4342. 00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:34,634
  4343. in which he describes
  4344. a "surge in surveillance
  4345.  
  4346. 931
  4347. 00:49:34,636 --> 00:49:37,370
  4348. "of UN Security Council
  4349. members."
  4350.  
  4351. 932
  4352. 00:49:37,372 --> 00:49:38,506
  4353. What's your response?
  4354.  
  4355. 933
  4356. 00:49:38,508 --> 00:49:41,241
  4357. Terry, as a matter
  4358. of long-standing policy
  4359.  
  4360. 934
  4361. 00:49:41,243 --> 00:49:43,509
  4362. the administration
  4363. never comments on anything
  4364.  
  4365. 935
  4366. 00:49:43,511 --> 00:49:46,881
  4367. involving any people
  4368. involved in intelligence.
  4369.  
  4370. 936
  4371. 00:49:46,883 --> 00:49:49,582
  4372. - No, of course, you don't.
  4373. - What the fuck?
  4374.  
  4375. 937
  4376. 00:49:49,584 --> 00:49:51,651
  4377. REPORTER: If you're
  4378. a Cameroonian diplomat
  4379.  
  4380. 938
  4381. 00:49:51,653 --> 00:49:54,087
  4382. or a French diplomat
  4383. at the United Nations
  4384.  
  4385. 939
  4386. 00:49:54,089 --> 00:49:55,689
  4387. then you're gonna have
  4388. to operate on the assumption
  4389.  
  4390. 940
  4391. 00:49:55,691 --> 00:49:56,857
  4392. that the United States
  4393. is bugging you.
  4394.  
  4395. 941
  4396. 00:49:56,859 --> 00:49:59,493
  4397. No, it's a blanket matter
  4398. of policy
  4399.  
  4400. 942
  4401. 00:49:59,495 --> 00:50:02,263
  4402. that we do not answer
  4403. questions of that nature...
  4404.  
  4405. 943
  4406. 00:50:02,265 --> 00:50:03,863
  4407. - Hi.
  4408. - Hi.
  4409.  
  4410. 944
  4411. 00:50:03,865 --> 00:50:06,100
  4412. ...I'm not indicating to you
  4413. whether it's true or not true.
  4414.  
  4415. 945
  4416. 00:50:06,102 --> 00:50:07,500
  4417. Have you eaten?
  4418.  
  4419. 946
  4420. 00:50:07,502 --> 00:50:10,970
  4421. ...of policy that predates
  4422. this administration.
  4423.  
  4424. 947
  4425. 00:50:10,972 --> 00:50:14,410
  4426. - I brought soup. A bean salad.
  4427. - (TURNS OFF TV)
  4428.  
  4429. 948
  4430. 00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:16,912
  4431. I'm gonna say it was me.
  4432.  
  4433. 949
  4434. 00:50:18,347 --> 00:50:21,182
  4435. The Americans are refusing to
  4436. admit that the memo was real.
  4437.  
  4438. 950
  4439. 00:50:21,184 --> 00:50:23,250
  4440. - I have to tell the truth.
  4441. - No.
  4442.  
  4443. 951
  4444. 00:50:23,252 --> 00:50:26,520
  4445. If I don't, then they'll get
  4446. away with saying it was a fake.
  4447.  
  4448. 952
  4449. 00:50:26,522 --> 00:50:29,624
  4450. Janum, you did what you could.
  4451. Now leave it alone, please!
  4452.  
  4453. 953
  4454. 00:50:29,626 --> 00:50:30,691
  4455. What am I supposed to do?
  4456.  
  4457. 954
  4458. 00:50:30,693 --> 00:50:32,426
  4459. Am I supposed
  4460. to keep lying forever?
  4461.  
  4462. 955
  4463. 00:50:32,428 --> 00:50:34,261
  4464. If you say nothing,
  4465. they can never prove anything.
  4466.  
  4467. 956
  4468. 00:50:34,263 --> 00:50:36,129
  4469. They are questioning
  4470. everyone at work.
  4471.  
  4472. 957
  4473. 00:50:36,131 --> 00:50:37,296
  4474. They're interrogating
  4475. my friends.
  4476.  
  4477. 958
  4478. 00:50:37,298 --> 00:50:38,832
  4479. They're asking people
  4480. to name names.
  4481.  
  4482. 959
  4483. 00:50:38,834 --> 00:50:42,201
  4484. - That will be over soon.
  4485. - And then what?
  4486.  
  4487. 960
  4488. 00:50:42,203 --> 00:50:43,638
  4489. There will be a question mark
  4490.  
  4491. 961
  4492. 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,038
  4493. in hundreds of people's files
  4494. because of me.
  4495.  
  4496. 962
  4497. 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,341
  4498. They will put you in jail!
  4499.  
  4500. 963
  4501. 00:50:48,343 --> 00:50:49,676
  4502. I have to prove
  4503. it was real.
  4504.  
  4505. 964
  4506. 00:50:49,678 --> 00:50:50,877
  4507. Everyone at work knows that
  4508.  
  4509. 965
  4510. 00:50:50,879 --> 00:50:53,113
  4511. what the NSA
  4512. asked us to do was illegal.
  4513.  
  4514. 966
  4515. 00:50:53,115 --> 00:50:54,983
  4516. - Nobody cares!
  4517. - Well, I care!
  4518.  
  4519. 967
  4520. 00:50:57,318 --> 00:50:59,185
  4521. If I don't say it was me,
  4522. then we'll go to war
  4523.  
  4524. 968
  4525. 00:50:59,187 --> 00:51:01,488
  4526. based on blackmail
  4527. and lies.
  4528.  
  4529. 969
  4530. 00:51:01,490 --> 00:51:03,626
  4531. And I can't live
  4532. with that. I won't.
  4533.  
  4534. 970
  4535. 00:51:05,627 --> 00:51:07,629
  4536. Janum, please listen to me.
  4537.  
  4538. 971
  4539. 00:51:08,964 --> 00:51:09,930
  4540. I work at a cafe.
  4541.  
  4542. 972
  4543. 00:51:09,932 --> 00:51:11,832
  4544. I took the job
  4545. because I needed a job.
  4546.  
  4547. 973
  4548. 00:51:11,834 --> 00:51:13,667
  4549. But it's just a job.
  4550.  
  4551. 974
  4552. 00:51:13,669 --> 00:51:16,002
  4553. You did the same thing,
  4554. remember?
  4555.  
  4556. 975
  4557. 00:51:16,004 --> 00:51:18,104
  4558. When you saw the advert,
  4559. you said you didn't even know
  4560.  
  4561. 976
  4562. 00:51:18,106 --> 00:51:19,842
  4563. what the job really was.
  4564.  
  4565. 977
  4566. 00:51:21,944 --> 00:51:23,580
  4567. It's just a job.
  4568.  
  4569. 978
  4570. 00:51:24,446 --> 00:51:26,383
  4571. And you can get
  4572. another job.
  4573.  
  4574. 979
  4575. 00:51:29,651 --> 00:51:31,984
  4576. You just need to keep your
  4577. head down for a few more weeks
  4578.  
  4579. 980
  4580. 00:51:31,986 --> 00:51:33,455
  4581. until things calm down.
  4582.  
  4583. 981
  4584. 00:51:34,689 --> 00:51:36,892
  4585. Then you resign,
  4586. you can get another job.
  4587.  
  4588. 982
  4589. 00:51:54,477 --> 00:51:56,780
  4590. MI-YUNG: Hey.
  4591. (SPEAKING MANDARIN)
  4592.  
  4593. 983
  4594. 00:52:03,919 --> 00:52:05,618
  4595. ANDY: On a diet?
  4596.  
  4597. 984
  4598. 00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:07,823
  4599. - What?
  4600. - No cinnamon bun?
  4601.  
  4602. 985
  4603. 00:52:08,356 --> 00:52:09,625
  4604. (SIGHS)
  4605.  
  4606. 986
  4607. 00:52:10,392 --> 00:52:11,827
  4608. Who's in there now?
  4609.  
  4610. 987
  4611. 00:52:12,861 --> 00:52:15,529
  4612. Nuri. Second time.
  4613.  
  4614. 988
  4615. 00:52:15,531 --> 00:52:17,767
  4616. Had him take a lie detector
  4617. test yesterday.
  4618.  
  4619. 989
  4620. 00:52:22,571 --> 00:52:23,772
  4621. FIONA: Mi-Yung!
  4622.  
  4623. 990
  4624. 00:53:16,057 --> 00:53:17,193
  4625. (KNOCKS)
  4626.  
  4627. 991
  4628. 00:53:22,765 --> 00:53:23,933
  4629. I did it.
  4630.  
  4631. 992
  4632. 00:53:26,269 --> 00:53:27,736
  4633. It was me.
  4634.  
  4635. 993
  4636. 00:53:31,607 --> 00:53:32,941
  4637. Oh, Katharine.
  4638.  
  4639. 994
  4640. 00:53:38,013 --> 00:53:39,148
  4641. Leave us, please.
  4642.  
  4643. 995
  4644. 00:54:33,468 --> 00:54:34,803
  4645. Handbag.
  4646.  
  4647. 996
  4648. 00:54:37,305 --> 00:54:38,307
  4649. Rings.
  4650.  
  4651. 997
  4652. 00:54:41,075 --> 00:54:42,311
  4653. Necklace.
  4654.  
  4655. 998
  4656. 00:54:43,646 --> 00:54:46,212
  4657. Watch. Belt.
  4658.  
  4659. 999
  4660. 00:54:46,214 --> 00:54:48,084
  4661. - I don't have a belt.
  4662. - (NECKLACE CLINKS)
  4663.  
  4664. 1000
  4665. 00:54:50,885 --> 00:54:52,821
  4666. OFFICER:
  4667. Take her through cell 7.
  4668.  
  4669. 1001
  4670. 00:54:58,461 --> 00:54:59,729
  4671. (CELL DOOR OPENS)
  4672.  
  4673. 1002
  4674. 00:55:06,401 --> 00:55:09,002
  4675. (LOCKS DOOR)
  4676.  
  4677. 1003
  4678. 00:55:09,004 --> 00:55:11,874
  4679. SECURITY OFFICER: I've found the
  4680. passports and a couple of foreign books.
  4681.  
  4682. 1004
  4683. 00:55:14,209 --> 00:55:15,644
  4684. YASAR: Who are you?
  4685.  
  4686. 1005
  4687. 00:55:17,347 --> 00:55:18,781
  4688. Where's my wife?
  4689.  
  4690. 1006
  4691. 00:55:21,350 --> 00:55:23,683
  4692. I want to see her.
  4693. Where is she?
  4694.  
  4695. 1007
  4696. 00:55:23,685 --> 00:55:27,053
  4697. They can't keep me long.
  4698. They haven't charged me yet.
  4699.  
  4700. 1008
  4701. 00:55:27,055 --> 00:55:28,691
  4702. No contact, please.
  4703.  
  4704. 1009
  4705. 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,330
  4706. - Where are they holding you?
  4707. - Downstairs.
  4708.  
  4709. 1010
  4710. 00:55:37,432 --> 00:55:39,736
  4711. I'm okay.
  4712. I promise I'm okay.
  4713.  
  4714. 1011
  4715. 00:55:48,477 --> 00:55:49,812
  4716. I brought this.
  4717.  
  4718. 1012
  4719. 00:55:51,881 --> 00:55:53,816
  4720. It will get cold tonight.
  4721.  
  4722. 1013
  4723. 00:55:58,287 --> 00:55:59,288
  4724. (SOFTLY) Thank you.
  4725.  
  4726. 1014
  4727. 00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:16,305
  4728. OFFICER: Lights out.
  4729.  
  4730. 1015
  4731. 00:56:22,211 --> 00:56:24,278
  4732. (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
  4733.  
  4734. 1016
  4735. 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,048
  4736. (DOOR UNLOCKS, OPENS)
  4737.  
  4738. 1017
  4739. 00:56:28,283 --> 00:56:30,884
  4740. - Katharine Gun?
  4741. - Yes.
  4742.  
  4743. 1018
  4744. 00:56:30,886 --> 00:56:34,057
  4745. We're from Scotland Yard.
  4746. Do you have a lawyer?
  4747.  
  4748. 1019
  4749. 00:56:35,156 --> 00:56:36,055
  4750. No.
  4751.  
  4752. 1020
  4753. 00:56:36,057 --> 00:56:38,424
  4754. TINTIN: There's a duty
  4755. solicitor on call.
  4756.  
  4757. 1021
  4758. 00:56:38,426 --> 00:56:39,928
  4759. She'll sit in with you.
  4760.  
  4761. 1022
  4762. 00:56:42,464 --> 00:56:44,298
  4763. (TAPE RECORDER CLICKS)
  4764.  
  4765. 1023
  4766. 00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,633
  4767. TINTIN: Your supervisor speaks
  4768. highly of your integrity.
  4769.  
  4770. 1024
  4771. 00:56:47,635 --> 00:56:51,971
  4772. She says this breach
  4773. was a foolish one-off.
  4774.  
  4775. 1025
  4776. 00:56:51,973 --> 00:56:53,006
  4777. Was it?
  4778.  
  4779. 1026
  4780. 00:56:53,008 --> 00:56:55,808
  4781. Do you mean if I leaked
  4782. anything else? No.
  4783.  
  4784. 1027
  4785. 00:56:55,810 --> 00:56:57,879
  4786. - Do you intend to?
  4787. - No.
  4788.  
  4789. 1028
  4790. 00:56:59,247 --> 00:57:01,714
  4791. I've always been very proud
  4792. to work at GCHQ.
  4793.  
  4794. 1029
  4795. 00:57:01,716 --> 00:57:02,919
  4796. Until now.
  4797.  
  4798. 1030
  4799. 00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,586
  4800. Yes. Until now.
  4801.  
  4802. 1031
  4803. 00:57:06,588 --> 00:57:08,356
  4804. What were you
  4805. employed to do?
  4806.  
  4807. 1032
  4808. 00:57:09,825 --> 00:57:11,761
  4809. Well, I can't be specific.
  4810.  
  4811. 1033
  4812. 00:57:13,196 --> 00:57:14,330
  4813. Be general then.
  4814.  
  4815. 1034
  4816. 00:57:15,564 --> 00:57:17,497
  4817. I translated signals
  4818. intelligence
  4819.  
  4820. 1035
  4821. 00:57:17,499 --> 00:57:18,964
  4822. and I reported anything
  4823.  
  4824. 1036
  4825. 00:57:18,966 --> 00:57:20,935
  4826. I thought might be of
  4827. interest to my clients.
  4828.  
  4829. 1037
  4830. 00:57:20,937 --> 00:57:22,836
  4831. - Your clients?
  4832. - The Foreign Office.
  4833.  
  4834. 1038
  4835. 00:57:22,838 --> 00:57:24,037
  4836. The Ministry of Defense.
  4837.  
  4838. 1039
  4839. 00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:26,073
  4840. So, you work
  4841. for the British Government.
  4842.  
  4843. 1040
  4844. 00:57:26,075 --> 00:57:28,941
  4845. - No. Not really.
  4846. - No?
  4847.  
  4848. 1041
  4849. 00:57:28,943 --> 00:57:30,843
  4850. Governments change.
  4851.  
  4852. 1042
  4853. 00:57:30,845 --> 00:57:32,779
  4854. I work for the British people.
  4855.  
  4856. 1043
  4857. 00:57:32,781 --> 00:57:34,314
  4858. I gather intelligence
  4859.  
  4860. 1044
  4861. 00:57:34,316 --> 00:57:38,419
  4862. so that the government can
  4863. protect the British people.
  4864.  
  4865. 1045
  4866. 00:57:38,421 --> 00:57:41,687
  4867. I do not gather intelligence
  4868. so that the government can lie
  4869.  
  4870. 1046
  4871. 00:57:41,689 --> 00:57:43,425
  4872. to the British people.
  4873.  
  4874. 1047
  4875. 00:57:45,926 --> 00:57:48,662
  4876. With respect, Mrs. Gun,
  4877.  
  4878. 1048
  4879. 00:57:48,664 --> 00:57:50,332
  4880. you're a spy.
  4881.  
  4882. 1049
  4883. 00:57:51,133 --> 00:57:51,999
  4884. Yes.
  4885.  
  4886. 1050
  4887. 00:57:52,001 --> 00:57:53,066
  4888. You gather information
  4889.  
  4890. 1051
  4891. 00:57:53,068 --> 00:57:54,834
  4892. from people's phones
  4893. and computers
  4894.  
  4895. 1052
  4896. 00:57:54,836 --> 00:57:56,837
  4897. and you feed that
  4898. to your clients.
  4899.  
  4900. 1053
  4901. 00:57:56,839 --> 00:58:00,506
  4902. - Yes.
  4903. - You eavesdrop on private conversations.
  4904.  
  4905. 1054
  4906. 00:58:00,508 --> 00:58:02,676
  4907. And now you're upset
  4908. at being asked to do that
  4909.  
  4910. 1055
  4911. 00:58:02,678 --> 00:58:04,544
  4912. to members
  4913. of the Security Council?
  4914.  
  4915. 1056
  4916. 00:58:04,546 --> 00:58:06,247
  4917. Detective...
  4918.  
  4919. 1057
  4920. 00:58:06,249 --> 00:58:10,316
  4921. I don't object to being asked
  4922. to collect information
  4923.  
  4924. 1058
  4925. 00:58:10,318 --> 00:58:13,486
  4926. that could help
  4927. prevent a terror attack.
  4928.  
  4929. 1059
  4930. 00:58:13,488 --> 00:58:17,790
  4931. What I object to is being
  4932. asked to gather intelligence
  4933.  
  4934. 1060
  4935. 00:58:17,792 --> 00:58:20,894
  4936. to help fix a vote at the UN
  4937.  
  4938. 1061
  4939. 00:58:20,896 --> 00:58:23,932
  4940. and deceive the world
  4941. into going to war.
  4942.  
  4943. 1062
  4944. 00:58:27,537 --> 00:58:30,169
  4945. - Who put you up to this?
  4946. - No one.
  4947.  
  4948. 1063
  4949. 00:58:30,171 --> 00:58:31,805
  4950. But you gave the memo
  4951. to someone.
  4952.  
  4953. 1064
  4954. 00:58:31,807 --> 00:58:34,241
  4955. Who did you give it to?
  4956. A journalist?
  4957.  
  4958. 1065
  4959. 00:58:34,243 --> 00:58:37,211
  4960. Someone in the anti-war
  4961. movement?
  4962.  
  4963. 1066
  4964. 00:58:37,213 --> 00:58:38,281
  4965. MAN: Your husband?
  4966.  
  4967. 1067
  4968. 00:58:39,381 --> 00:58:40,647
  4969. SOLICITOR: You don't have
  4970. to answer that.
  4971.  
  4972. 1068
  4973. 00:58:40,649 --> 00:58:41,948
  4974. No, I will answer that.
  4975.  
  4976. 1069
  4977. 00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:43,984
  4978. My husband had absolutely
  4979. nothing to do with this.
  4980.  
  4981. 1070
  4982. 00:58:43,986 --> 00:58:46,687
  4983. He was briefly detained
  4984. here, too, wasn't he?
  4985.  
  4986. 1071
  4987. 00:58:46,689 --> 00:58:49,622
  4988. - Pending deportation?
  4989. - Yes, he was.
  4990.  
  4991. 1072
  4992. 00:58:49,624 --> 00:58:52,359
  4993. - And then you married him.
  4994. - Yes.
  4995.  
  4996. 1073
  4997. 00:58:52,361 --> 00:58:54,326
  4998. His paperwork
  4999. has been resubmitted.
  5000.  
  5001. 1074
  5002. 00:58:54,328 --> 00:58:56,566
  5003. - He signs in here once a week.
  5004. - He's a Muslim.
  5005.  
  5006. 1075
  5007. 00:58:58,566 --> 00:58:59,633
  5008. I'm sorry?
  5009.  
  5010. 1076
  5011. 00:58:59,635 --> 00:59:01,368
  5012. TINTIN: He's a Kurdish Turk
  5013.  
  5014. 1077
  5015. 00:59:01,370 --> 00:59:04,437
  5016. seeking permanent residence
  5017. in Britain.
  5018.  
  5019. 1078
  5020. 00:59:04,439 --> 00:59:08,140
  5021. And given what Saddam Hussein
  5022. has done to the Kurdish people,
  5023.  
  5024. 1079
  5025. 00:59:08,142 --> 00:59:12,379
  5026. murdering over 180,000 of
  5027. them with chemical weapons,
  5028.  
  5029. 1080
  5030. 00:59:12,381 --> 00:59:13,814
  5031. I can assure you
  5032.  
  5033. 1081
  5034. 00:59:13,816 --> 00:59:16,750
  5035. my husband has absolutely
  5036. no sympathy whatsoever
  5037.  
  5038. 1082
  5039. 00:59:16,752 --> 00:59:17,884
  5040. with the Iraqi regime.
  5041.  
  5042. 1083
  5043. 00:59:17,886 --> 00:59:19,153
  5044. Then why did you
  5045. leak a memo
  5046.  
  5047. 1084
  5048. 00:59:19,155 --> 00:59:22,388
  5049. intended to help
  5050. remove Saddam Hussein?
  5051.  
  5052. 1085
  5053. 00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:23,490
  5054. 'Cause by attacking Iraq,
  5055.  
  5056. 1086
  5057. 00:59:23,492 --> 00:59:26,160
  5058. you don't simply attack
  5059. Saddam Hussein,
  5060.  
  5061. 1087
  5062. 00:59:26,162 --> 00:59:29,395
  5063. you attack the country
  5064. of over 30 million people!
  5065.  
  5066. 1088
  5067. 00:59:29,397 --> 00:59:31,964
  5068. And I cannot bear to think
  5069. of the pain and the suffering
  5070.  
  5071. 1089
  5072. 00:59:31,966 --> 00:59:33,167
  5073. that that will cause.
  5074.  
  5075. 1090
  5076. 00:59:33,169 --> 00:59:36,470
  5077. Frankly, I don't see
  5078. how anyone can bear it.
  5079.  
  5080. 1091
  5081. 00:59:36,472 --> 00:59:39,238
  5082. SOLICITOR: Detective,
  5083. is she going to be formally charged?
  5084.  
  5085. 1092
  5086. 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,241
  5087. That's a decision
  5088. for the Attorney General.
  5089.  
  5090. 1093
  5091. 00:59:41,243 --> 00:59:45,979
  5092. Lord Goldsmith will need time
  5093. to decide how to deal with you.
  5094.  
  5095. 1094
  5096. 00:59:45,981 --> 00:59:47,781
  5097. The custody sergeant
  5098. will release you
  5099.  
  5100. 1095
  5101. 00:59:47,783 --> 00:59:49,249
  5102. on police bail today.
  5103.  
  5104. 1096
  5105. 00:59:49,251 --> 00:59:51,151
  5106. You'll be told
  5107. to return to the station
  5108.  
  5109. 1097
  5110. 00:59:51,153 --> 00:59:53,153
  5111. in approximately
  5112. three months,
  5113.  
  5114. 1098
  5115. 00:59:53,155 --> 00:59:55,555
  5116. by which time a decision
  5117. on whether to charge you
  5118.  
  5119. 1099
  5120. 00:59:55,557 --> 00:59:57,126
  5121. will have been made.
  5122.  
  5123. 1100
  5124. 01:00:04,466 --> 01:00:05,568
  5125. (DOOR BUZZING)
  5126.  
  5127. 1101
  5128. 01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:09,504
  5129. Are you all right,
  5130. janum?
  5131.  
  5132. 1102
  5133. 01:00:10,673 --> 01:00:12,738
  5134. - Are you all right?
  5135. - Yeah, come on.
  5136.  
  5137. 1103
  5138. 01:00:12,740 --> 01:00:14,540
  5139. Katharine?
  5140.  
  5141. 1104
  5142. 01:00:14,542 --> 01:00:17,676
  5143. I'm sorry. I deal mostly
  5144. with petty criminals,
  5145.  
  5146. 1105
  5147. 01:00:17,678 --> 01:00:19,946
  5148. drunks and drug addicts.
  5149.  
  5150. 1106
  5151. 01:00:19,948 --> 01:00:22,049
  5152. If you're charged,
  5153. you're gonna need someone
  5154.  
  5155. 1107
  5156. 01:00:22,051 --> 01:00:24,250
  5157. with a lot more
  5158. experience than me.
  5159.  
  5160. 1108
  5161. 01:00:24,252 --> 01:00:27,220
  5162. - I see.
  5163. - Have you heard of Liberty?
  5164.  
  5165. 1109
  5166. 01:00:27,222 --> 01:00:29,055
  5167. They handle
  5168. human rights cases,
  5169.  
  5170. 1110
  5171. 01:00:29,057 --> 01:00:32,459
  5172. political cases,
  5173. often for free.
  5174.  
  5175. 1111
  5176. 01:00:32,461 --> 01:00:36,531
  5177. Well... I just wanted
  5178. to be sure you knew that.
  5179.  
  5180. 1112
  5181. 01:00:37,231 --> 01:00:38,698
  5182. - Good luck.
  5183. - Thank you.
  5184.  
  5185. 1113
  5186. 01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:39,935
  5187. Thank you.
  5188.  
  5189. 1114
  5190. 01:00:42,370 --> 01:00:44,071
  5191. REPORTER: (ON TV)
  5192. George W. Bush's patience
  5193.  
  5194. 1115
  5195. 01:00:44,073 --> 01:00:45,671
  5196. with the United Nation
  5197. has run out
  5198.  
  5199. 1116
  5200. 01:00:45,673 --> 01:00:48,542
  5201. because they haven't managed
  5202. to get those nine votes
  5203.  
  5204. 1117
  5205. 01:00:48,544 --> 01:00:51,078
  5206. at the Security Council
  5207. which would give them,
  5208.  
  5209. 1118
  5210. 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,812
  5211. what they call,
  5212. a moral majority.
  5213.  
  5214. 1119
  5215. 01:00:52,814 --> 01:00:56,716
  5216. That represents a real failure
  5217. of American diplomacy.
  5218.  
  5219. 1120
  5220. 01:00:56,718 --> 01:00:59,017
  5221. REPORTER 2: This is the man
  5222. who's advising Tony Blair
  5223.  
  5224. 1121
  5225. 01:00:59,019 --> 01:01:01,020
  5226. on the legality of war.
  5227.  
  5228. 1122
  5229. 01:01:01,022 --> 01:01:02,488
  5230. The Attorney General
  5231. Lord Goldsmith
  5232.  
  5233. 1123
  5234. 01:01:02,490 --> 01:01:05,191
  5235. has, I understand,
  5236. told the Prime Minister
  5237.  
  5238. 1124
  5239. 01:01:05,193 --> 01:01:08,461
  5240. military action would be legal
  5241. without a second resolution.
  5242.  
  5243. 1125
  5244. 01:01:08,463 --> 01:01:10,196
  5245. But it's all down
  5246. to interpretation.
  5247.  
  5248. 1126
  5249. 01:01:10,198 --> 01:01:11,964
  5250. What is she saying?
  5251. They have not got the votes
  5252.  
  5253. 1127
  5254. 01:01:11,966 --> 01:01:13,834
  5255. but they're going to war,
  5256. anyway?
  5257.  
  5258. 1128
  5259. 01:01:13,836 --> 01:01:16,837
  5260. REPORTER 2: ...arguing old
  5261. UN resolutions don't count
  5262.  
  5263. 1129
  5264. 01:01:16,839 --> 01:01:19,872
  5265. and war is illegal
  5266. without a new one
  5267.  
  5268. 1130
  5269. 01:01:19,874 --> 01:01:21,207
  5270. or a new threat.
  5271.  
  5272. 1131
  5273. 01:01:21,209 --> 01:01:22,475
  5274. So the troops are in place.
  5275.  
  5276. 1132
  5277. 01:01:22,477 --> 01:01:24,678
  5278. Some UN inspectors
  5279. are quitting Iraq.
  5280.  
  5281. 1133
  5282. 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,345
  5283. Just how close are we to war?
  5284.  
  5285. 1134
  5286. 01:01:26,347 --> 01:01:29,015
  5287. Fergus has been assessing
  5288. the evidence. Fergus?
  5289.  
  5290. 1135
  5291. 01:01:29,017 --> 01:01:30,584
  5292. FERGUS: All the signs are now
  5293.  
  5294. 1136
  5295. 01:01:30,586 --> 01:01:33,122
  5296. that war is very,
  5297. very close now...
  5298.  
  5299. 1137
  5300. 01:01:34,722 --> 01:01:35,724
  5301. Hi.
  5302.  
  5303. 1138
  5304. 01:01:37,158 --> 01:01:38,558
  5305. - Do you wanna come in?
  5306. - Oh, no, no, no.
  5307.  
  5308. 1139
  5309. 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,660
  5310. I'm all packed for London.
  5311.  
  5312. 1140
  5313. 01:01:40,662 --> 01:01:42,794
  5314. I just, um...
  5315.  
  5316. 1141
  5317. 01:01:42,796 --> 01:01:45,667
  5318. I just wanted to say,
  5319. I think that what you did was amazing.
  5320.  
  5321. 1142
  5322. 01:01:47,269 --> 01:01:51,006
  5323. - You do?
  5324. - Yeah. A lot of us do.
  5325.  
  5326. 1143
  5327. 01:01:52,006 --> 01:01:53,209
  5328. Really?
  5329.  
  5330. 1144
  5331. 01:01:54,676 --> 01:01:56,544
  5332. Are they going
  5333. to charge you?
  5334.  
  5335. 1145
  5336. 01:01:57,946 --> 01:01:59,148
  5337. I don't know.
  5338.  
  5339. 1146
  5340. 01:02:01,417 --> 01:02:04,283
  5341. (CRYING) God, Kat,
  5342. I'm so sorry.
  5343.  
  5344. 1147
  5345. 01:02:04,285 --> 01:02:06,019
  5346. Hey, you didn't do
  5347. anything wrong.
  5348.  
  5349. 1148
  5350. 01:02:06,021 --> 01:02:09,191
  5351. I didn't do
  5352. anything right. I...
  5353.  
  5354. 1149
  5355. 01:02:16,298 --> 01:02:18,064
  5356. (MI-YUNG CHUCKLES, SNIFFLES)
  5357.  
  5358. 1150
  5359. 01:02:18,066 --> 01:02:20,770
  5360. I better be going. Bye.
  5361.  
  5362. 1151
  5363. 01:02:25,941 --> 01:02:27,475
  5364. (DOOR BELL JINGLES)
  5365.  
  5366. 1152
  5367. 01:02:33,915 --> 01:02:36,915
  5368. (AIRCRAFT WHOOSHING)
  5369.  
  5370. 1153
  5371. 01:02:36,917 --> 01:02:39,088
  5372. (EXPLOSIONS)
  5373.  
  5374. 1154
  5375. 01:02:42,124 --> 01:02:44,156
  5376. PRESIDENT BUSH:
  5377. My fellow citizens,
  5378.  
  5379. 1155
  5380. 01:02:44,158 --> 01:02:47,294
  5381. at this hour,
  5382. American and coalition forces
  5383.  
  5384. 1156
  5385. 01:02:47,296 --> 01:02:50,029
  5386. are in the early stages
  5387. of military operations
  5388.  
  5389. 1157
  5390. 01:02:50,031 --> 01:02:53,165
  5391. to disarm Iraq,
  5392. to free its people
  5393.  
  5394. 1158
  5395. 01:02:53,167 --> 01:02:56,069
  5396. and to defend the world
  5397. from grave danger.
  5398.  
  5399. 1159
  5400. 01:02:56,071 --> 01:02:59,973
  5401. Our nation enters
  5402. this conflict reluctantly,
  5403.  
  5404. 1160
  5405. 01:02:59,975 --> 01:03:02,709
  5406. yet our purpose is sure.
  5407.  
  5408. 1161
  5409. 01:03:02,711 --> 01:03:05,245
  5410. The people of the United States
  5411. and our friends and allies
  5412.  
  5413. 1162
  5414. 01:03:05,247 --> 01:03:08,682
  5415. will not live at the mercy
  5416. of an outlaw regime
  5417.  
  5418. 1163
  5419. 01:03:08,684 --> 01:03:12,185
  5420. that threatens the peace
  5421. with weapons of mass murder.
  5422.  
  5423. 1164
  5424. 01:03:12,187 --> 01:03:13,722
  5425. (EXPLOSIONS)
  5426.  
  5427. 1165
  5428. 01:03:17,292 --> 01:03:18,591
  5429. We will meet that threat now.
  5430.  
  5431. 1166
  5432. 01:03:18,593 --> 01:03:21,528
  5433. We should have got
  5434. that memo out sooner.
  5435.  
  5436. 1167
  5437. 01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:24,796
  5438. - We did what we could.
  5439. - We fucking failed.
  5440.  
  5441. 1168
  5442. 01:03:24,798 --> 01:03:26,767
  5443. PRESIDENT BUSH: So that we
  5444. do not have to meet it later
  5445.  
  5446. 1169
  5447. 01:03:26,769 --> 01:03:30,904
  5448. with armies of firefighters
  5449. and police and doctors
  5450.  
  5451. 1170
  5452. 01:03:30,906 --> 01:03:33,439
  5453. on the streets of our cities.
  5454.  
  5455. 1171
  5456. 01:03:33,441 --> 01:03:35,375
  5457. Now that conflict has come,
  5458.  
  5459. 1172
  5460. 01:03:35,377 --> 01:03:37,243
  5461. the only way
  5462. to limit its duration
  5463.  
  5464. 1173
  5465. 01:03:37,245 --> 01:03:39,712
  5466. is to apply decisive force.
  5467.  
  5468. 1174
  5469. 01:03:39,714 --> 01:03:41,515
  5470. I'm so fucking naive.
  5471.  
  5472. 1175
  5473. 01:03:41,517 --> 01:03:44,683
  5474. This will not be a campaign
  5475. of half measures
  5476.  
  5477. 1176
  5478. 01:03:44,685 --> 01:03:48,020
  5479. and we will accept
  5480. no outcome but victory.
  5481.  
  5482. 1177
  5483. 01:03:48,022 --> 01:03:49,791
  5484. (PEOPLE CLAMORING)
  5485.  
  5486. 1178
  5487. 01:04:05,274 --> 01:04:06,775
  5488. I have to go.
  5489.  
  5490. 1179
  5491. 01:04:10,245 --> 01:04:12,546
  5492. You want to come
  5493. to the cafe?
  5494.  
  5495. 1180
  5496. 01:04:12,548 --> 01:04:13,781
  5497. Work with me?
  5498.  
  5499. 1181
  5500. 01:04:20,189 --> 01:04:21,557
  5501. I'll call you later.
  5502.  
  5503. 1182
  5504. 01:04:24,993 --> 01:04:26,629
  5505. If we use the phones,
  5506.  
  5507. 1183
  5508. 01:04:27,763 --> 01:04:29,431
  5509. they'll be listening.
  5510.  
  5511. 1184
  5512. 01:04:30,731 --> 01:04:33,066
  5513. Let them listen.
  5514.  
  5515. 1185
  5516. 01:04:33,068 --> 01:04:34,803
  5517. We have nothing to hide.
  5518.  
  5519. 1186
  5520. 01:04:38,106 --> 01:04:40,242
  5521. You should contact
  5522. those lawyers...
  5523.  
  5524. 1187
  5525. 01:04:42,243 --> 01:04:43,444
  5526. ...today.
  5527.  
  5528. 1188
  5529. 01:04:44,646 --> 01:04:45,647
  5530. Please.
  5531.  
  5532. 1189
  5533. 01:05:09,104 --> 01:05:11,404
  5534. (DOORBELL BUZZES)
  5535.  
  5536. 1190
  5537. 01:05:11,406 --> 01:05:13,640
  5538. - MAN: Hello?
  5539. - Hi. Uh, it's Katharine.
  5540.  
  5541. 1191
  5542. 01:05:13,642 --> 01:05:15,207
  5543. Uh, Katharine Gun.
  5544. I phoned this morning.
  5545.  
  5546. 1192
  5547. 01:05:15,209 --> 01:05:18,479
  5548. Oh, yes, Katharine.
  5549. Please, um, come on up.
  5550.  
  5551. 1193
  5552. 01:05:19,314 --> 01:05:20,582
  5553. (DOOR BUZZES)
  5554.  
  5555. 1194
  5556. 01:05:25,285 --> 01:05:27,285
  5557. - Katharine?
  5558. - Hello.
  5559.  
  5560. 1195
  5561. 01:05:27,287 --> 01:05:29,455
  5562. James.
  5563. Lovely to meet you.
  5564.  
  5565. 1196
  5566. 01:05:29,457 --> 01:05:31,223
  5567. - Thanks for seeing me.
  5568. - Not at all.
  5569.  
  5570. 1197
  5571. 01:05:31,225 --> 01:05:32,658
  5572. I'm sorry
  5573. about the decor.
  5574.  
  5575. 1198
  5576. 01:05:32,660 --> 01:05:35,562
  5577. We like to say we focus
  5578. more on our clients.
  5579.  
  5580. 1199
  5581. 01:05:35,564 --> 01:05:37,729
  5582. This is Shami Chakrabarti,
  5583. our director.
  5584.  
  5585. 1200
  5586. 01:05:37,731 --> 01:05:41,734
  5587. - Hello, Katharine.
  5588. - And this is Ben Emmerson.
  5589.  
  5590. 1201
  5591. 01:05:41,736 --> 01:05:42,801
  5592. Hi.
  5593.  
  5594. 1202
  5595. 01:05:42,803 --> 01:05:44,069
  5596. Hello.
  5597.  
  5598. 1203
  5599. 01:05:44,071 --> 01:05:46,406
  5600. This was the only memo you took?
  5601.  
  5602. 1204
  5603. 01:05:46,408 --> 01:05:48,875
  5604. - Yes.
  5605. - No one suggested you take it?
  5606.  
  5607. 1205
  5608. 01:05:48,877 --> 01:05:51,877
  5609. - No.
  5610. - And you've never met Martin Bright?
  5611.  
  5612. 1206
  5613. 01:05:51,879 --> 01:05:52,946
  5614. No.
  5615.  
  5616. 1207
  5617. 01:05:52,948 --> 01:05:53,812
  5618. Martin called me
  5619. last week.
  5620.  
  5621. 1208
  5622. 01:05:53,814 --> 01:05:55,515
  5623. He said he didn't know
  5624. who you were,
  5625.  
  5626. 1209
  5627. 01:05:55,517 --> 01:05:58,919
  5628. but he wanted us to be aware
  5629. that you might need our help.
  5630.  
  5631. 1210
  5632. 01:05:58,921 --> 01:06:00,854
  5633. Well, that was
  5634. very kind of him.
  5635.  
  5636. 1211
  5637. 01:06:00,856 --> 01:06:03,256
  5638. He said he got the memo
  5639. from someone he knew
  5640.  
  5641. 1212
  5642. 01:06:03,258 --> 01:06:05,223
  5643. but he wouldn't say who.
  5644.  
  5645. 1213
  5646. 01:06:05,225 --> 01:06:08,263
  5647. Do you want to tell us
  5648. who you gave it to?
  5649.  
  5650. 1214
  5651. 01:06:11,098 --> 01:06:13,200
  5652. Look,
  5653.  
  5654. 1215
  5655. 01:06:13,202 --> 01:06:17,037
  5656. if you don't mind,
  5657. I would prefer not to say.
  5658.  
  5659. 1216
  5660. 01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:18,640
  5661. I promised I wouldn't.
  5662.  
  5663. 1217
  5664. 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,375
  5665. Okay.
  5666.  
  5667. 1218
  5668. 01:06:21,377 --> 01:06:24,310
  5669. When you met Yasar, he had
  5670. already applied for asylum.
  5671.  
  5672. 1219
  5673. 01:06:24,312 --> 01:06:26,645
  5674. - Yes.
  5675. - Which was denied.
  5676.  
  5677. 1220
  5678. 01:06:26,647 --> 01:06:30,415
  5679. Yes, uh, they said that there
  5680. wasn't a significant enough risk
  5681.  
  5682. 1221
  5683. 01:06:30,417 --> 01:06:32,386
  5684. of persecution
  5685. if he went back.
  5686.  
  5687. 1222
  5688. 01:06:32,388 --> 01:06:34,087
  5689. And that's when
  5690. you married him?
  5691.  
  5692. 1223
  5693. 01:06:34,089 --> 01:06:36,189
  5694. - Yes.
  5695. - And did he pay you?
  5696.  
  5697. 1224
  5698. 01:06:36,191 --> 01:06:37,390
  5699. Absolutely not.
  5700.  
  5701. 1225
  5702. 01:06:37,392 --> 01:06:38,524
  5703. I'm sorry,
  5704. I don't mean to upset you.
  5705.  
  5706. 1226
  5707. 01:06:38,526 --> 01:06:40,359
  5708. It's just that
  5709. your husband is Muslim
  5710.  
  5711. 1227
  5712. 01:06:40,361 --> 01:06:42,328
  5713. and the prosecution
  5714. will be looking for motive.
  5715.  
  5716. 1228
  5717. 01:06:42,330 --> 01:06:45,531
  5718. My motive was to stop a war
  5719.  
  5720. 1229
  5721. 01:06:45,533 --> 01:06:49,968
  5722. and save lives. I failed.
  5723.  
  5724. 1230
  5725. 01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:52,939
  5726. All I've managed to do is put
  5727. my husband's future at risk.
  5728.  
  5729. 1231
  5730. 01:06:52,941 --> 01:06:54,707
  5731. BEN: And your own.
  5732.  
  5733. 1232
  5734. 01:06:54,709 --> 01:06:56,375
  5735. In fact,
  5736. by leaking information
  5737.  
  5738. 1233
  5739. 01:06:56,377 --> 01:06:58,145
  5740. to try and stop a war,
  5741. I'd argue
  5742.  
  5743. 1234
  5744. 01:06:58,147 --> 01:07:00,312
  5745. that you chose loyalty
  5746. to your country
  5747.  
  5748. 1235
  5749. 01:07:00,314 --> 01:07:04,618
  5750. over loyalty to your government,
  5751. your marriage and yourself.
  5752.  
  5753. 1236
  5754. 01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:07,489
  5755. You had nothing to gain
  5756. and everything to lose.
  5757.  
  5758. 1237
  5759. 01:07:08,890 --> 01:07:11,460
  5760. I think that speaks
  5761. rather highly of you.
  5762.  
  5763. 1238
  5764. 01:07:12,426 --> 01:07:15,595
  5765. SHAMI: He's trying
  5766. to give you a compliment.
  5767.  
  5768. 1239
  5769. 01:07:15,597 --> 01:07:16,562
  5770. I see.
  5771.  
  5772. 1240
  5773. 01:07:16,564 --> 01:07:18,631
  5774. JAMES: Part of our job
  5775. is to try and anticipate
  5776.  
  5777. 1241
  5778. 01:07:18,633 --> 01:07:21,834
  5779. what the prosecution's
  5780. going to throw at you.
  5781.  
  5782. 1242
  5783. 01:07:21,836 --> 01:07:24,638
  5784. Some of the people we meet
  5785. are looking for attention,
  5786.  
  5787. 1243
  5788. 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,939
  5789. a way to elevate
  5790. their humdrum lives.
  5791.  
  5792. 1244
  5793. 01:07:26,941 --> 01:07:29,777
  5794. - Well, I'm not.
  5795. - No, I don't think you are.
  5796.  
  5797. 1245
  5798. 01:07:33,682 --> 01:07:34,647
  5799. Sorry.
  5800.  
  5801. 1246
  5802. 01:07:34,649 --> 01:07:36,917
  5803. There's nothing
  5804. to be sorry for.
  5805.  
  5806. 1247
  5807. 01:07:36,919 --> 01:07:38,785
  5808. We're here to help.
  5809.  
  5810. 1248
  5811. 01:07:38,787 --> 01:07:39,821
  5812. (CHUCKLES LIGHTLY)
  5813.  
  5814. 1249
  5815. 01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:43,189
  5816. And we don't have duress.
  5817.  
  5818. 1250
  5819. 01:07:43,191 --> 01:07:47,026
  5820. She's adamant no outside
  5821. agency put any pressure on her.
  5822.  
  5823. 1251
  5824. 01:07:47,028 --> 01:07:48,761
  5825. Public interest?
  5826.  
  5827. 1252
  5828. 01:07:48,763 --> 01:07:51,263
  5829. The public has a right to know
  5830. when their government is lying.
  5831.  
  5832. 1253
  5833. 01:07:51,265 --> 01:07:53,232
  5834. We cite
  5835. the Falklands case
  5836.  
  5837. 1254
  5838. 01:07:53,234 --> 01:07:54,901
  5839. when Thatcher lied
  5840. about why she ordered
  5841.  
  5842. 1255
  5843. 01:07:54,903 --> 01:07:56,569
  5844. the sinking
  5845. of that Argentinian ship.
  5846.  
  5847. 1256
  5848. 01:07:56,571 --> 01:07:57,870
  5849. - Belgrano.
  5850. - Yeah.
  5851.  
  5852. 1257
  5853. 01:07:57,872 --> 01:08:00,372
  5854. - Who was the whistleblower?
  5855. - Clive Ponting.
  5856.  
  5857. 1258
  5858. 01:08:00,374 --> 01:08:01,674
  5859. The jury acquitted him,
  5860. didn't they?
  5861.  
  5862. 1259
  5863. 01:08:01,676 --> 01:08:02,942
  5864. Yes, and immediately
  5865. afterwards,
  5866.  
  5867. 1260
  5868. 01:08:02,944 --> 01:08:04,910
  5869. Thatcher had the Official
  5870. Secrets Act amended
  5871.  
  5872. 1261
  5873. 01:08:04,912 --> 01:08:06,745
  5874. to avoid being caught
  5875. in a lie in the future.
  5876.  
  5877. 1262
  5878. 01:08:06,747 --> 01:08:09,015
  5879. So since '89,
  5880. the public interest is
  5881.  
  5882. 1263
  5883. 01:08:09,017 --> 01:08:11,919
  5884. effectively whatever the
  5885. government says that it is.
  5886.  
  5887. 1264
  5888. 01:08:12,953 --> 01:08:14,620
  5889. We've got nothing.
  5890.  
  5891. 1265
  5892. 01:08:14,622 --> 01:08:16,523
  5893. I have to
  5894. think about it.
  5895.  
  5896. 1266
  5897. 01:08:16,525 --> 01:08:18,825
  5898. Sorry, I have to go.
  5899.  
  5900. 1267
  5901. 01:08:18,827 --> 01:08:21,029
  5902. I promised Anne
  5903. a weekend away.
  5904.  
  5905. 1268
  5906. 01:08:22,564 --> 01:08:25,264
  5907. If they charge her,
  5908. we might have to plead guilty
  5909.  
  5910. 1269
  5911. 01:08:25,266 --> 01:08:26,765
  5912. and ask for
  5913. a reduced sentence.
  5914.  
  5915. 1270
  5916. 01:08:26,767 --> 01:08:29,035
  5917. But she's young
  5918. and principled.
  5919.  
  5920. 1271
  5921. 01:08:29,037 --> 01:08:31,636
  5922. A judge might even think that
  5923. what she did was morally right.
  5924.  
  5925. 1272
  5926. 01:08:31,638 --> 01:08:34,042
  5927. Or crucify her
  5928. as a traitor.
  5929.  
  5930. 1273
  5931. 01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:37,111
  5932. Bye.
  5933.  
  5934. 1274
  5935. 01:09:04,672 --> 01:09:07,674
  5936. - You sure he was following you?
  5937. - He was staring at me.
  5938.  
  5939. 1275
  5940. 01:09:07,676 --> 01:09:08,741
  5941. Sometimes men stare...
  5942.  
  5943. 1276
  5944. 01:09:08,743 --> 01:09:09,843
  5945. Yeah, it wasn't
  5946. that kind of a stare.
  5947.  
  5948. 1277
  5949. 01:09:09,845 --> 01:09:11,309
  5950. What kind
  5951. of a stare was it?
  5952.  
  5953. 1278
  5954. 01:09:11,311 --> 01:09:14,412
  5955. Yas, please,
  5956. I'm scared. Okay?
  5957.  
  5958. 1279
  5959. 01:09:14,414 --> 01:09:15,751
  5960. I'm scared.
  5961.  
  5962. 1280
  5963. 01:09:17,485 --> 01:09:19,786
  5964. You know, for years,
  5965. I've tried to be legal here.
  5966.  
  5967. 1281
  5968. 01:09:19,788 --> 01:09:21,353
  5969. - I know.
  5970. - Then why'd you do it?
  5971.  
  5972. 1282
  5973. 01:09:21,355 --> 01:09:23,590
  5974. These arseholes got
  5975. their war, anyway.
  5976.  
  5977. 1283
  5978. 01:09:23,592 --> 01:09:25,425
  5979. Saddam's over.
  5980. And you know what?
  5981.  
  5982. 1284
  5983. 01:09:25,427 --> 01:09:27,560
  5984. - I'm glad he's over!
  5985. - War is not over.
  5986.  
  5987. 1285
  5988. 01:09:27,562 --> 01:09:29,094
  5989. Ousting Saddam
  5990. is just the beginning.
  5991.  
  5992. 1286
  5993. 01:09:29,096 --> 01:09:31,764
  5994. - What do you know about war?
  5995. - I work at GCHQ.
  5996.  
  5997. 1287
  5998. 01:09:31,766 --> 01:09:33,933
  5999. All you do is listen
  6000. to people talking!
  6001.  
  6002. 1288
  6003. 01:09:33,935 --> 01:09:36,702
  6004. You've never seen war!
  6005. You've never smelled it!
  6006.  
  6007. 1289
  6008. 01:09:36,704 --> 01:09:37,902
  6009. Never even
  6010. come close to it!
  6011.  
  6012. 1290
  6013. 01:09:37,904 --> 01:09:40,240
  6014. Yas, I understand
  6015. why you are angry.
  6016.  
  6017. 1291
  6018. 01:09:40,242 --> 01:09:42,474
  6019. It is my fault
  6020. and I'm sorry.
  6021.  
  6022. 1292
  6023. 01:09:42,476 --> 01:09:44,376
  6024. I am so sorry.
  6025.  
  6026. 1293
  6027. 01:09:44,378 --> 01:09:49,349
  6028. But I watched Blair
  6029. with his smug smile
  6030.  
  6031. 1294
  6032. 01:09:49,351 --> 01:09:52,117
  6033. and his sterile speeches
  6034. that tell us nothing
  6035.  
  6036. 1295
  6037. 01:09:52,119 --> 01:09:56,154
  6038. of what it must feel like to
  6039. be a child in Iraq right now.
  6040.  
  6041. 1296
  6042. 01:09:56,156 --> 01:09:58,791
  6043. I know I'm not sorry
  6044. that I tried to stop him.
  6045.  
  6046. 1297
  6047. 01:09:58,793 --> 01:09:59,928
  6048. I'm not.
  6049.  
  6050. 1298
  6051. 01:10:00,861 --> 01:10:03,129
  6052. I'm only sorry
  6053. that I failed.
  6054.  
  6055. 1299
  6056. 01:10:03,131 --> 01:10:04,732
  6057. (KNOCK ON DOOR)
  6058.  
  6059. 1300
  6060. 01:10:10,939 --> 01:10:14,139
  6061. Thank you
  6062. for inviting us in.
  6063.  
  6064. 1301
  6065. 01:10:14,141 --> 01:10:15,407
  6066. What is it
  6067. you came to say?
  6068.  
  6069. 1302
  6070. 01:10:15,409 --> 01:10:19,178
  6071. Well, there's been
  6072. a development.
  6073.  
  6074. 1303
  6075. 01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:21,848
  6076. - Am I going to be charged?
  6077. - That I don't know.
  6078.  
  6079. 1304
  6080. 01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,685
  6081. Then why
  6082. are you here?
  6083.  
  6084. 1305
  6085. 01:10:24,985 --> 01:10:27,419
  6086. I gather you went to see
  6087. a lawyer today.
  6088.  
  6089. 1306
  6090. 01:10:27,421 --> 01:10:28,755
  6091. - Did you follow me?
  6092. - No.
  6093.  
  6094. 1307
  6095. 01:10:28,757 --> 01:10:29,889
  6096. Because somebody did.
  6097.  
  6098. 1308
  6099. 01:10:29,891 --> 01:10:31,657
  6100. Well, you must know
  6101. that after what you did,
  6102.  
  6103. 1309
  6104. 01:10:31,659 --> 01:10:33,492
  6105. GCHQ is concerned.
  6106.  
  6107. 1310
  6108. 01:10:33,494 --> 01:10:36,062
  6109. I have a right
  6110. to legal advice.
  6111.  
  6112. 1311
  6113. 01:10:36,064 --> 01:10:39,965
  6114. TINTIN: Unfortunately,
  6115. it's not as simple as that.
  6116.  
  6117. 1312
  6118. 01:10:39,967 --> 01:10:42,734
  6119. When you signed on
  6120. to work for GCHQ,
  6121.  
  6122. 1313
  6123. 01:10:42,736 --> 01:10:45,737
  6124. you agreed to be bound
  6125. by the Official Secrets Act
  6126.  
  6127. 1314
  6128. 01:10:45,739 --> 01:10:47,840
  6129. for the rest of your life.
  6130.  
  6131. 1315
  6132. 01:10:47,842 --> 01:10:49,809
  6133. I know what I signed,
  6134. detective.
  6135.  
  6136. 1316
  6137. 01:10:49,811 --> 01:10:54,546
  6138. Mm, then you know
  6139. that it says here
  6140.  
  6141. 1317
  6142. 01:10:54,548 --> 01:10:56,948
  6143. in Section 1-1
  6144.  
  6145. 1318
  6146. 01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:59,518
  6147. that "a person is
  6148. guilty of an offense
  6149.  
  6150. 1319
  6151. 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,855
  6152. "if he or she
  6153.  
  6154. 1320
  6155. 01:11:02,857 --> 01:11:04,956
  6156. "discloses any information
  6157.  
  6158. 1321
  6159. 01:11:04,958 --> 01:11:08,760
  6160. "relating to security
  6161. or intelligence."
  6162.  
  6163. 1322
  6164. 01:11:08,762 --> 01:11:12,398
  6165. This means that you cannot
  6166. discuss anything
  6167.  
  6168. 1323
  6169. 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,402
  6170. with anyone outside of GCHQ
  6171.  
  6172. 1324
  6173. 01:11:15,404 --> 01:11:18,006
  6174. relating to
  6175. the document you leaked.
  6176.  
  6177. 1325
  6178. 01:11:19,673 --> 01:11:21,941
  6179. Are you saying
  6180. I can't talk to a lawyer?
  6181.  
  6182. 1326
  6183. 01:11:21,943 --> 01:11:23,977
  6184. Oh, you have the right
  6185. to talk to a lawyer.
  6186.  
  6187. 1327
  6188. 01:11:23,979 --> 01:11:25,911
  6189. It's just that
  6190. you cannot discuss
  6191.  
  6192. 1328
  6193. 01:11:25,913 --> 01:11:29,448
  6194. anything to do with
  6195. your work at GCHQ,
  6196.  
  6197. 1329
  6198. 01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:31,416
  6199. or the contents
  6200. of the memo you leaked,
  6201.  
  6202. 1330
  6203. 01:11:31,418 --> 01:11:33,620
  6204. or how it came
  6205. into your possession
  6206.  
  6207. 1331
  6208. 01:11:33,622 --> 01:11:35,222
  6209. or who wrote it.
  6210.  
  6211. 1332
  6212. 01:11:36,490 --> 01:11:39,625
  6213. All of this information
  6214. is top secret.
  6215.  
  6216. 1333
  6217. 01:11:39,627 --> 01:11:42,728
  6218. So disclosing it
  6219. to anyone outside of GCHQ,
  6220.  
  6221. 1334
  6222. 01:11:42,730 --> 01:11:44,863
  6223. even a lawyer,
  6224.  
  6225. 1335
  6226. 01:11:44,865 --> 01:11:48,667
  6227. would be a further violation
  6228. of the Official Secrets Act,
  6229.  
  6230. 1336
  6231. 01:11:48,669 --> 01:11:51,970
  6232. which could result
  6233. in further prosecution
  6234.  
  6235. 1337
  6236. 01:11:51,972 --> 01:11:55,077
  6237. and a much longer
  6238. prison sentence.
  6239.  
  6240. 1338
  6241. 01:11:57,846 --> 01:12:00,649
  6242. We just wanted
  6243. you to be aware of that.
  6244.  
  6245. 1339
  6246. 01:12:02,484 --> 01:12:06,818
  6247. So if I may not talk to a
  6248. lawyer, who may I talk to?
  6249.  
  6250. 1340
  6251. 01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:09,587
  6252. You should talk to
  6253. your superiors at GCHQ.
  6254.  
  6255. 1341
  6256. 01:12:09,589 --> 01:12:13,158
  6257. - Are you fucking joking?
  6258. - Yas, please. Please.
  6259.  
  6260. 1342
  6261. 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,894
  6262. We should hear what
  6263. the detectives have to say.
  6264.  
  6265. 1343
  6266. 01:12:15,896 --> 01:12:17,966
  6267. They're just
  6268. doing their job.
  6269.  
  6270. 1344
  6271. 01:12:20,836 --> 01:12:25,871
  6272. Simply put, if you wish
  6273. to tell anything to a lawyer
  6274.  
  6275. 1345
  6276. 01:12:25,873 --> 01:12:28,744
  6277. or the press or anyone else...
  6278.  
  6279. 1346
  6280. 01:12:29,709 --> 01:12:32,847
  6281. ...you first need to
  6282. clear it with GCHQ.
  6283.  
  6284. 1347
  6285. 01:12:36,484 --> 01:12:37,852
  6286. Detective...
  6287.  
  6288. 1348
  6289. 01:12:38,887 --> 01:12:41,853
  6290. I leaked only one memo.
  6291.  
  6292. 1349
  6293. 01:12:41,855 --> 01:12:43,188
  6294. I had good reason to do so
  6295.  
  6296. 1350
  6297. 01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:46,492
  6298. and I intend to make
  6299. those reasons public
  6300.  
  6301. 1351
  6302. 01:12:46,494 --> 01:12:48,863
  6303. if I am charged.
  6304.  
  6305. 1352
  6306. 01:12:50,064 --> 01:12:52,197
  6307. I will not talk
  6308. to my lawyers again
  6309.  
  6310. 1353
  6311. 01:12:52,199 --> 01:12:54,669
  6312. unless I am charged.
  6313.  
  6314. 1354
  6315. 01:12:55,837 --> 01:12:58,106
  6316. Tell that to GCHQ.
  6317.  
  6318. 1355
  6319. 01:13:03,845 --> 01:13:05,344
  6320. Are you grilling
  6321. or smoking that fish?
  6322.  
  6323. 1356
  6324. 01:13:05,346 --> 01:13:08,447
  6325. I am smoking.
  6326. I've soaked the wood chips in water.
  6327.  
  6328. 1357
  6329. 01:13:08,449 --> 01:13:09,549
  6330. I've got charcoal.
  6331.  
  6332. 1358
  6333. 01:13:09,551 --> 01:13:12,518
  6334. I'm... I'm trying
  6335. something new.
  6336.  
  6337. 1359
  6338. 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,188
  6339. - Hi.
  6340. - Ken?
  6341.  
  6342. 1360
  6343. 01:13:15,190 --> 01:13:16,621
  6344. - Hi.
  6345. - Hi, Ken.
  6346.  
  6347. 1361
  6348. 01:13:16,623 --> 01:13:19,591
  6349. - Guess you're down here for the weekend.
  6350. - Yes. Just for the night.
  6351.  
  6352. 1362
  6353. 01:13:19,593 --> 01:13:21,126
  6354. Yeah, me too.
  6355. It's been a while.
  6356.  
  6357. 1363
  6358. 01:13:21,128 --> 01:13:23,728
  6359. Mm-hmm. Would you, uh...
  6360. Do you want a drink?
  6361.  
  6362. 1364
  6363. 01:13:23,730 --> 01:13:26,532
  6364. Uh, no, thanks.
  6365. Sally's cooking dinner.
  6366.  
  6367. 1365
  6368. 01:13:26,534 --> 01:13:28,968
  6369. - Hello, Anne.
  6370. - Hi.
  6371.  
  6372. 1366
  6373. 01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:32,237
  6374. - I'm so sorry to intrude.
  6375. - Oh, not at all.
  6376.  
  6377. 1367
  6378. 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,005
  6379. How's the new job?
  6380.  
  6381. 1368
  6382. 01:13:34,007 --> 01:13:37,910
  6383. Well, it's, um, eye-opening.
  6384.  
  6385. 1369
  6386. 01:13:37,912 --> 01:13:41,647
  6387. In fact, I wondered
  6388. if I might ask Ben's opinion
  6389.  
  6390. 1370
  6391. 01:13:41,649 --> 01:13:45,251
  6392. about a new case that my office
  6393. has been asked to prosecute.
  6394.  
  6395. 1371
  6396. 01:13:45,253 --> 01:13:48,688
  6397. It won't take a minute.
  6398. Would you mind?
  6399.  
  6400. 1372
  6401. 01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:50,689
  6402. How do you know
  6403. that I met her?
  6404.  
  6405. 1373
  6406. 01:13:50,691 --> 01:13:53,459
  6407. Security services
  6408. are all over this.
  6409.  
  6410. 1374
  6411. 01:13:53,461 --> 01:13:54,693
  6412. Mm-hmm.
  6413.  
  6414. 1375
  6415. 01:13:54,695 --> 01:13:56,595
  6416. And it's not just
  6417. a domestic embarrassment.
  6418.  
  6419. 1376
  6420. 01:13:56,597 --> 01:13:57,964
  6421. The Americans
  6422. are very unhappy.
  6423.  
  6424. 1377
  6425. 01:13:57,966 --> 01:13:59,465
  6426. Oh, well,
  6427. that is upsetting.
  6428.  
  6429. 1378
  6430. 01:13:59,467 --> 01:14:02,736
  6431. Oh, come on, Ben,
  6432. it's not funny.
  6433.  
  6434. 1379
  6435. 01:14:02,738 --> 01:14:05,770
  6436. What she did was a
  6437. deliberate act of betrayal.
  6438.  
  6439. 1380
  6440. 01:14:05,772 --> 01:14:08,072
  6441. Look, Ken, we're not
  6442. colleagues anymore.
  6443.  
  6444. 1381
  6445. 01:14:08,074 --> 01:14:09,474
  6446. We're on
  6447. different sides here.
  6448.  
  6449. 1382
  6450. 01:14:09,476 --> 01:14:14,080
  6451. I think she wants to be seen
  6452. as some sort of cause celebre.
  6453.  
  6454. 1383
  6455. 01:14:14,082 --> 01:14:18,283
  6456. But she swore allegiance
  6457. to the intelligence services
  6458.  
  6459. 1384
  6460. 01:14:18,285 --> 01:14:20,618
  6461. and when you do that you
  6462. don't get to pick and choose
  6463.  
  6464. 1385
  6465. 01:14:20,620 --> 01:14:21,920
  6466. what orders
  6467. you'll follow.
  6468.  
  6469. 1386
  6470. 01:14:21,922 --> 01:14:24,290
  6471. Following orders is not
  6472. a defense to a war crime.
  6473.  
  6474. 1387
  6475. 01:14:24,292 --> 01:14:28,527
  6476. Yes, but who is she to undermine
  6477. the strategic objectives
  6478.  
  6479. 1388
  6480. 01:14:28,529 --> 01:14:31,496
  6481. - of a democratically-elected Prime Minister.
  6482. - (CHUCKLES)
  6483.  
  6484. 1389
  6485. 01:14:31,498 --> 01:14:34,700
  6486. Oh, come on, she's not selling
  6487. state secrets to Moscow.
  6488.  
  6489. 1390
  6490. 01:14:34,702 --> 01:14:36,969
  6491. She exposed
  6492. an illegal attempt
  6493.  
  6494. 1391
  6495. 01:14:36,971 --> 01:14:39,304
  6496. to secure
  6497. a UN resolution for war
  6498.  
  6499. 1392
  6500. 01:14:39,306 --> 01:14:41,072
  6501. which would have
  6502. given Blair perfect cover
  6503.  
  6504. 1393
  6505. 01:14:41,074 --> 01:14:42,640
  6506. for the bloody mess
  6507. that we're in now.
  6508.  
  6509. 1394
  6510. 01:14:42,642 --> 01:14:44,810
  6511. No, she should have
  6512. kept her mouth shut
  6513.  
  6514. 1395
  6515. 01:14:44,812 --> 01:14:47,045
  6516. or complained
  6517. to her superiors.
  6518.  
  6519. 1396
  6520. 01:14:47,047 --> 01:14:48,613
  6521. Now I've got
  6522. a real problem with people
  6523.  
  6524. 1397
  6525. 01:14:48,615 --> 01:14:50,715
  6526. who think that
  6527. from some lowly position
  6528.  
  6529. 1398
  6530. 01:14:50,717 --> 01:14:52,385
  6531. they can possibly see
  6532. the big picture.
  6533.  
  6534. 1399
  6535. 01:14:52,387 --> 01:14:54,185
  6536. So then you would
  6537. never question authority
  6538.  
  6539. 1400
  6540. 01:14:54,187 --> 01:14:55,955
  6541. even if you knew
  6542. it was breaking the law.
  6543.  
  6544. 1401
  6545. 01:14:55,957 --> 01:14:58,858
  6546. Ben, you can't blame me
  6547. for being angry with her.
  6548.  
  6549. 1402
  6550. 01:14:58,860 --> 01:15:00,225
  6551. We're at war.
  6552.  
  6553. 1403
  6554. 01:15:00,227 --> 01:15:02,428
  6555. So, I'm going to assign the
  6556. best prosecutor in my office
  6557.  
  6558. 1404
  6559. 01:15:02,430 --> 01:15:04,897
  6560. to bring this girl down,
  6561. which shouldn't be difficult.
  6562.  
  6563. 1405
  6564. 01:15:04,899 --> 01:15:05,965
  6565. She's already confessed.
  6566.  
  6567. 1406
  6568. 01:15:05,967 --> 01:15:07,899
  6569. I appreciate
  6570. your determination
  6571.  
  6572. 1407
  6573. 01:15:07,901 --> 01:15:11,306
  6574. to make an example of her,
  6575. but you shouldn't be here.
  6576.  
  6577. 1408
  6578. 01:15:13,807 --> 01:15:15,273
  6579. Oh, come on,
  6580. we're friends.
  6581.  
  6582. 1409
  6583. 01:15:15,275 --> 01:15:17,410
  6584. I'll make my position
  6585. perfectly clear.
  6586.  
  6587. 1410
  6588. 01:15:17,412 --> 01:15:19,845
  6589. If you charge her,
  6590. then I will defend her
  6591.  
  6592. 1411
  6593. 01:15:19,847 --> 01:15:22,050
  6594. to the best of my ability.
  6595.  
  6596. 1412
  6597. 01:15:24,051 --> 01:15:25,283
  6598. So let's go home
  6599. and pretend
  6600.  
  6601. 1413
  6602. 01:15:25,285 --> 01:15:27,823
  6603. that this conversation
  6604. never happened.
  6605.  
  6606. 1414
  6607. 01:16:00,922 --> 01:16:03,221
  6608. You're not working today?
  6609.  
  6610. 1415
  6611. 01:16:03,223 --> 01:16:06,494
  6612. No. I have to sign in
  6613. at the station.
  6614.  
  6615. 1416
  6616. 01:16:08,962 --> 01:16:12,533
  6617. - Then we can go for a hike.
  6618. - I want to see the sea.
  6619.  
  6620. 1417
  6621. 01:16:22,944 --> 01:16:25,013
  6622. (TELEPHONE RINGING)
  6623.  
  6624. 1418
  6625. 01:16:25,846 --> 01:16:27,114
  6626. Leave it.
  6627.  
  6628. 1419
  6629. 01:16:28,382 --> 01:16:29,584
  6630. (KATHARINE CHUCKLES)
  6631.  
  6632. 1420
  6633. 01:16:33,421 --> 01:16:36,188
  6634. KATHARINE ON RECORDING: Hi, we're not in.
  6635. Please leave a message.
  6636.  
  6637. 1421
  6638. 01:16:36,190 --> 01:16:39,825
  6639. Katharine,
  6640. it's James Welch from Liberty.
  6641.  
  6642. 1422
  6643. 01:16:39,827 --> 01:16:41,594
  6644. Uh, we should talk.
  6645.  
  6646. 1423
  6647. 01:16:41,596 --> 01:16:44,729
  6648. Could give me a call
  6649. when you get the message?
  6650.  
  6651. 1424
  6652. 01:16:44,731 --> 01:16:46,432
  6653. Hello?
  6654.  
  6655. 1425
  6656. 01:16:46,434 --> 01:16:48,302
  6657. Oh, ah, Katharine.
  6658.  
  6659. 1426
  6660. 01:16:49,169 --> 01:16:52,136
  6661. I'm afraid I have
  6662. some bad news.
  6663.  
  6664. 1427
  6665. 01:16:52,138 --> 01:16:54,340
  6666. Uh, James, you know that
  6667.  
  6668. 1428
  6669. 01:16:54,342 --> 01:16:56,340
  6670. GCHQ said I
  6671. couldn't talk to you.
  6672.  
  6673. 1429
  6674. 01:16:56,342 --> 01:16:57,910
  6675. Oh, then,
  6676. well, the good news is
  6677.  
  6678. 1430
  6679. 01:16:57,912 --> 01:17:00,179
  6680. we finally had
  6681. the gag order lifted.
  6682.  
  6683. 1431
  6684. 01:17:00,181 --> 01:17:01,580
  6685. We've agreed to not
  6686. ask any questions
  6687.  
  6688. 1432
  6689. 01:17:01,582 --> 01:17:04,515
  6690. about what other work
  6691. you did at GCHQ.
  6692.  
  6693. 1433
  6694. 01:17:04,517 --> 01:17:08,088
  6695. But what happens going forward
  6696. isn't up to them.
  6697.  
  6698. 1434
  6699. 01:17:09,257 --> 01:17:10,456
  6700. Your case is now in the hands
  6701.  
  6702. 1435
  6703. 01:17:10,458 --> 01:17:13,094
  6704. of the Crown Prosecution
  6705. Service.
  6706.  
  6707. 1436
  6708. 01:17:15,762 --> 01:17:17,631
  6709. They're going to charge you.
  6710.  
  6711. 1437
  6712. 01:17:20,935 --> 01:17:23,004
  6713. We should meet next week.
  6714.  
  6715. 1438
  6716. 01:17:26,007 --> 01:17:28,043
  6717. - Katharine?
  6718. - Yes. Uh...
  6719.  
  6720. 1439
  6721. 01:17:29,443 --> 01:17:31,178
  6722. Okay. Yeah.
  6723.  
  6724. 1440
  6725. 01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:34,712
  6726. I know that this is
  6727. a lot to take in,
  6728.  
  6729. 1441
  6730. 01:17:34,714 --> 01:17:35,947
  6731. but we will help you.
  6732.  
  6733. 1442
  6734. 01:17:35,949 --> 01:17:37,385
  6735. Thank you.
  6736.  
  6737. 1443
  6738. 01:17:39,352 --> 01:17:41,019
  6739. - Okay.
  6740. - Thank you very much, James.
  6741.  
  6742. 1444
  6743. 01:17:41,021 --> 01:17:42,222
  6744. Speak soon.
  6745.  
  6746. 1445
  6747. 01:17:47,328 --> 01:17:50,395
  6748. EDIE:
  6749. "GCHQ whistleblower charged."
  6750.  
  6751. 1446
  6752. 01:17:50,397 --> 01:17:51,764
  6753. "Traitor or spy?"
  6754.  
  6755. 1447
  6756. 01:17:51,766 --> 01:17:53,166
  6757. "Spy speaks out."
  6758.  
  6759. 1448
  6760. 01:17:53,168 --> 01:17:55,033
  6761. "The spy who wouldn't
  6762. keep a secret."
  6763.  
  6764. 1449
  6765. 01:17:55,035 --> 01:17:57,569
  6766. "Who is Katharine Gun?"
  6767.  
  6768. 1450
  6769. 01:17:57,571 --> 01:17:59,373
  6770. "Leak against this war."
  6771.  
  6772. 1451
  6773. 01:18:00,173 --> 01:18:02,140
  6774. She's everywhere.
  6775.  
  6776. 1452
  6777. 01:18:02,142 --> 01:18:04,309
  6778. What's your angle?
  6779.  
  6780. 1453
  6781. 01:18:04,311 --> 01:18:05,379
  6782. Look.
  6783.  
  6784. 1454
  6785. 01:18:06,815 --> 01:18:08,546
  6786. "Katharine Gun faces jail
  6787. for exposing
  6788.  
  6789. 1455
  6790. 01:18:08,548 --> 01:18:10,750
  6791. "American corruption
  6792. in the run-up to war.
  6793.  
  6794. 1456
  6795. 01:18:10,752 --> 01:18:13,051
  6796. "Now her
  6797. celebrity supporters insist
  6798.  
  6799. 1457
  6800. 01:18:13,053 --> 01:18:15,420
  6801. "it is Bush and Blair
  6802. who should be in the dock."
  6803.  
  6804. 1458
  6805. 01:18:15,422 --> 01:18:17,423
  6806. - Celebrity supporters?
  6807. - Mm.
  6808.  
  6809. 1459
  6810. 01:18:17,425 --> 01:18:19,390
  6811. Little tabloidy,
  6812. don't you think?
  6813.  
  6814. 1460
  6815. 01:18:19,392 --> 01:18:22,260
  6816. Hey, we're building awareness.
  6817. How about Daniel Ellsberg?
  6818.  
  6819. 1461
  6820. 01:18:22,262 --> 01:18:24,130
  6821. He leaked
  6822. the Pentagon Papers.
  6823.  
  6824. 1462
  6825. 01:18:24,132 --> 01:18:25,764
  6826. I know who Ellsberg is,
  6827. Martin.
  6828.  
  6829. 1463
  6830. 01:18:25,766 --> 01:18:27,332
  6831. Of course you do.
  6832. Forgive me.
  6833.  
  6834. 1464
  6835. 01:18:27,334 --> 01:18:30,702
  6836. Well, Ellsberg
  6837. described it as...
  6838.  
  6839. 1465
  6840. 01:18:30,704 --> 01:18:33,304
  6841. "The most important and
  6842. courageous leak I've ever seen.
  6843.  
  6844. 1466
  6845. 01:18:33,306 --> 01:18:34,941
  6846. "No one else has ever done
  6847. what she did.
  6848.  
  6849. 1467
  6850. 01:18:34,943 --> 01:18:37,210
  6851. "Tell secret truths
  6852. at personal risks
  6853.  
  6854. 1468
  6855. 01:18:37,212 --> 01:18:41,112
  6856. "before an imminent war, in
  6857. time, possibly, to avert it."
  6858.  
  6859. 1469
  6860. 01:18:41,114 --> 01:18:44,218
  6861. Okay, that's classy.
  6862.  
  6863. 1470
  6864. 01:18:50,725 --> 01:18:52,060
  6865. YASAR: I'll be quick.
  6866.  
  6867. 1471
  6868. 01:19:13,748 --> 01:19:15,083
  6869. (KNOCK ON WINDOW)
  6870.  
  6871. 1472
  6872. 01:19:17,819 --> 01:19:19,350
  6873. Are you waiting
  6874. for the tall man?
  6875.  
  6876. 1473
  6877. 01:19:19,352 --> 01:19:21,254
  6878. - The dark-haired one?
  6879. - Yeah.
  6880.  
  6881. 1474
  6882. 01:19:21,256 --> 01:19:23,654
  6883. He was shouting
  6884. that his wife was outside.
  6885.  
  6886. 1475
  6887. 01:19:23,656 --> 01:19:25,157
  6888. - They took him.
  6889. - What?
  6890.  
  6891. 1476
  6892. 01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:26,360
  6893. They took him.
  6894.  
  6895. 1477
  6896. 01:19:37,538 --> 01:19:38,403
  6897. Where is he?
  6898.  
  6899. 1478
  6900. 01:19:38,405 --> 01:19:40,138
  6901. OFFICER:
  6902. Sorry. Who are you?
  6903.  
  6904. 1479
  6905. 01:19:40,140 --> 01:19:42,073
  6906. I'm Yasar Gun's wife.
  6907. Where's my husband?
  6908.  
  6909. 1480
  6910. 01:19:42,075 --> 01:19:45,712
  6911. I'm sorry, ma'am.
  6912. He's scheduled for deportation.
  6913.  
  6914. 1481
  6915. 01:19:46,381 --> 01:19:47,245
  6916. What?
  6917.  
  6918. 1482
  6919. 01:19:47,247 --> 01:19:49,046
  6920. No. No, no. Uh, no, no.
  6921.  
  6922. 1483
  6923. 01:19:49,048 --> 01:19:51,317
  6924. Look, look, there's been
  6925. some sort of mistake.
  6926.  
  6927. 1484
  6928. 01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:53,285
  6929. I need to see my husband
  6930. right now.
  6931.  
  6932. 1485
  6933. 01:19:53,287 --> 01:19:55,289
  6934. I'm afraid
  6935. that's not possible.
  6936.  
  6937. 1486
  6938. 01:19:56,190 --> 01:19:57,923
  6939. OFFICER:
  6940. You can't go in there!
  6941.  
  6942. 1487
  6943. 01:19:57,925 --> 01:19:59,858
  6944. Please. Please,
  6945. please, please, please.
  6946.  
  6947. 1488
  6948. 01:19:59,860 --> 01:20:01,225
  6949. Let me see him, please.
  6950.  
  6951. 1489
  6952. 01:20:01,227 --> 01:20:02,428
  6953. Please, he doesn't
  6954. have anything with him.
  6955.  
  6956. 1490
  6957. 01:20:02,430 --> 01:20:03,728
  6958. He doesn't even
  6959. have any money.
  6960.  
  6961. 1491
  6962. 01:20:03,730 --> 01:20:06,697
  6963. OFFICER: I'm sorry.
  6964. They've already taken him.
  6965.  
  6966. 1492
  6967. 01:20:06,699 --> 01:20:08,767
  6968. KATHARINE: No, no.
  6969. They won't say where.
  6970.  
  6971. 1493
  6972. 01:20:08,769 --> 01:20:10,868
  6973. I don't know. Oh, God, James,
  6974. I don't know what to do.
  6975.  
  6976. 1494
  6977. 01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:13,471
  6978. JAMES: Katharine, I'm so sorry.
  6979. I'm at the Hague.
  6980.  
  6981. 1495
  6982. 01:20:13,473 --> 01:20:15,273
  6983. - Who's your MP?
  6984. - I don't know.
  6985.  
  6986. 1496
  6987. 01:20:15,275 --> 01:20:17,175
  6988. - Is it Nigel Jones?
  6989. - Nigel Jones, yes. Yeah.
  6990.  
  6991. 1497
  6992. 01:20:17,177 --> 01:20:18,411
  6993. Do you have
  6994. your marriage certificate?
  6995.  
  6996. 1498
  6997. 01:20:18,413 --> 01:20:19,944
  6998. - Uh, yeah, yeah, somewhere.
  6999. - Right.
  7000.  
  7001. 1499
  7002. 01:20:19,946 --> 01:20:22,480
  7003. Find it and
  7004. I'll track Nigel down.
  7005.  
  7006. 1500
  7007. 01:20:22,482 --> 01:20:23,749
  7008. Of course they're legally
  7009. married, Beverly.
  7010.  
  7011. 1501
  7012. 01:20:23,751 --> 01:20:25,617
  7013. I'm holding their
  7014. marriage certificate.
  7015.  
  7016. 1502
  7017. 01:20:25,619 --> 01:20:26,852
  7018. BEVERLY: I'm sorry,
  7019. but his application
  7020.  
  7021. 1503
  7022. 01:20:26,854 --> 01:20:28,853
  7023. to remain in this country
  7024. has been denied.
  7025.  
  7026. 1504
  7027. 01:20:28,855 --> 01:20:29,955
  7028. Mistakenly.
  7029.  
  7030. 1505
  7031. 01:20:29,957 --> 01:20:31,456
  7032. He's complied
  7033. with every directive
  7034.  
  7035. 1506
  7036. 01:20:31,458 --> 01:20:32,558
  7037. your department's issued.
  7038.  
  7039. 1507
  7040. 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,492
  7041. Nigel, your constituent
  7042. is accused
  7043.  
  7044. 1508
  7045. 01:20:34,494 --> 01:20:35,926
  7046. of betraying her country.
  7047.  
  7048. 1509
  7049. 01:20:35,928 --> 01:20:37,996
  7050. Do you really think we should
  7051. be helping her husband?
  7052.  
  7053. 1510
  7054. 01:20:37,998 --> 01:20:40,800
  7055. I think deporting her husband
  7056. when she's facing a trial
  7057.  
  7058. 1511
  7059. 01:20:40,802 --> 01:20:43,304
  7060. looks like state bullying.
  7061.  
  7062. 1512
  7063. 01:20:46,373 --> 01:20:49,073
  7064. All right,
  7065. I'll review his paperwork.
  7066.  
  7067. 1513
  7068. 01:20:49,075 --> 01:20:50,710
  7069. NIGEL: Thank you.
  7070.  
  7071. 1514
  7072. 01:20:50,712 --> 01:20:53,548
  7073. - And please make sure he's not flown out tonight.
  7074. - (CALL DISCONNECTS)
  7075.  
  7076. 1515
  7077. 01:20:55,482 --> 01:20:57,950
  7078. I'm sorry.
  7079. Best I can do for now.
  7080.  
  7081. 1516
  7082. 01:20:57,952 --> 01:21:01,118
  7083. I promise I will pick this up
  7084. first thing tomorrow.
  7085.  
  7086. 1517
  7087. 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,755
  7088. - (TELEPHONE RINGING)
  7089. - Hello?
  7090.  
  7091. 1518
  7092. 01:21:02,757 --> 01:21:05,323
  7093. JAMES: We tracked him to
  7094. Harmondsworth Detention Center.
  7095.  
  7096. 1519
  7097. 01:21:05,325 --> 01:21:07,760
  7098. It's a deportation center
  7099. at Heathrow Airport
  7100.  
  7101. 1520
  7102. 01:21:07,762 --> 01:21:09,560
  7103. right off the M-25.
  7104.  
  7105. 1521
  7106. 01:21:09,562 --> 01:21:11,496
  7107. Go to the main gate
  7108. and wait there.
  7109.  
  7110. 1522
  7111. 01:21:11,498 --> 01:21:12,898
  7112. KATHARINE: Uh, are they
  7113. gonna release him?
  7114.  
  7115. 1523
  7116. 01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:15,401
  7117. JAMES: We have ministerial
  7118. approval but no paperwork yet.
  7119.  
  7120. 1524
  7121. 01:21:15,403 --> 01:21:17,035
  7122. There is a possibility
  7123.  
  7124. 1525
  7125. 01:21:17,037 --> 01:21:19,237
  7126. he's already
  7127. been put on a plane.
  7128.  
  7129. 1526
  7130. 01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:20,605
  7131. - What?
  7132. - Yeah, I'm checking.
  7133.  
  7134. 1527
  7135. 01:21:20,607 --> 01:21:22,273
  7136. Just get there
  7137. as soon as you can.
  7138.  
  7139. 1528
  7140. 01:21:22,275 --> 01:21:25,445
  7141. GUARD: Out you go.
  7142. Let's go. Move it.
  7143.  
  7144. 1529
  7145. 01:21:28,281 --> 01:21:30,482
  7146. This is a mistake, sir.
  7147.  
  7148. 1530
  7149. 01:21:30,484 --> 01:21:32,520
  7150. - This is a mistake.
  7151. - Come on.
  7152.  
  7153. 1531
  7154. 01:21:33,887 --> 01:21:35,888
  7155. Please.
  7156.  
  7157. 1532
  7158. 01:21:35,890 --> 01:21:38,760
  7159. I need to call my wife.
  7160. I must call my wife!
  7161.  
  7162. 1533
  7163. 01:21:39,627 --> 01:21:41,562
  7164. (TIRES SKIDDING)
  7165.  
  7166. 1534
  7167. 01:21:55,743 --> 01:21:57,312
  7168. (HONKING)
  7169.  
  7170. 1535
  7171. 01:22:03,016 --> 01:22:05,017
  7172. (HORN BLARES)
  7173.  
  7174. 1536
  7175. 01:22:05,019 --> 01:22:06,221
  7176. GUARD: Next in line.
  7177.  
  7178. 1537
  7179. 01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:20,334
  7180. (AIRPLANE DRONING)
  7181.  
  7182. 1538
  7183. 01:22:29,743 --> 01:22:30,745
  7184. KATHARINE: Hello?
  7185.  
  7186. 1539
  7187. 01:22:34,114 --> 01:22:35,450
  7188. (KNOCKS)
  7189.  
  7190. 1540
  7191. 01:22:35,917 --> 01:22:36,985
  7192. Hello?
  7193.  
  7194. 1541
  7195. 01:22:39,921 --> 01:22:41,756
  7196. (PHONE RINGING)
  7197.  
  7198. 1542
  7199. 01:22:45,059 --> 01:22:46,261
  7200. Yeah?
  7201.  
  7202. 1543
  7203. 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,760
  7204. KATHARINE: James, James, um,
  7205.  
  7206. 1544
  7207. 01:22:48,762 --> 01:22:51,196
  7208. I don't know if I'm
  7209. even at the right place.
  7210.  
  7211. 1545
  7212. 01:22:51,198 --> 01:22:53,232
  7213. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know,
  7214. but it's 4:00 a.m.
  7215.  
  7216. 1546
  7217. 01:22:53,234 --> 01:22:55,700
  7218. There's nobody to talk to.
  7219.  
  7220. 1547
  7221. 01:22:55,702 --> 01:22:58,439
  7222. Wait, wait.
  7223. Someone's coming. Wait.
  7224.  
  7225. 1548
  7226. 01:23:00,074 --> 01:23:01,576
  7227. Oh, my God.
  7228. Oh, my God.
  7229.  
  7230. 1549
  7231. 01:23:03,610 --> 01:23:05,477
  7232. I'm so sorry.
  7233. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
  7234.  
  7235. 1550
  7236. 01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:06,644
  7237. - It's all right.
  7238. - You okay?
  7239.  
  7240. 1551
  7241. 01:23:06,646 --> 01:23:07,712
  7242. - I'm okay.
  7243. - Are you okay?
  7244.  
  7245. 1552
  7246. 01:23:07,714 --> 01:23:09,449
  7247. - You're okay?
  7248. - Yeah, yeah.
  7249.  
  7250. 1553
  7251. 01:23:16,757 --> 01:23:18,223
  7252. If they try and pull
  7253. anything like that again,
  7254.  
  7255. 1554
  7256. 01:23:18,225 --> 01:23:19,323
  7257. then I want
  7258. to go public.
  7259.  
  7260. 1555
  7261. 01:23:19,325 --> 01:23:20,858
  7262. - Not a good idea.
  7263. - Why not?
  7264.  
  7265. 1556
  7266. 01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:23,260
  7267. Because people are fickle.
  7268. Many will hate you.
  7269.  
  7270. 1557
  7271. 01:23:23,262 --> 01:23:25,096
  7272. Your personal lives
  7273. will be picked apart,
  7274.  
  7275. 1558
  7276. 01:23:25,098 --> 01:23:26,697
  7277. your marriage
  7278. will be interrogated.
  7279.  
  7280. 1559
  7281. 01:23:26,699 --> 01:23:28,567
  7282. In fact, we think
  7283. it will be best
  7284.  
  7285. 1560
  7286. 01:23:28,569 --> 01:23:31,502
  7287. if Yasar was kept
  7288. well out of this.
  7289.  
  7290. 1561
  7291. 01:23:31,504 --> 01:23:34,007
  7292. You should probably
  7293. not attend the trial.
  7294.  
  7295. 1562
  7296. 01:23:35,441 --> 01:23:38,276
  7297. - I understand.
  7298. - What? No.
  7299.  
  7300. 1563
  7301. 01:23:38,278 --> 01:23:40,444
  7302. Janum, we both know
  7303. the jury will prefer
  7304.  
  7305. 1564
  7306. 01:23:40,446 --> 01:23:42,179
  7307. an English girl without
  7308. an immigrant husband.
  7309.  
  7310. 1565
  7311. 01:23:42,181 --> 01:23:43,514
  7312. You know what?
  7313. That is ridiculous.
  7314.  
  7315. 1566
  7316. 01:23:43,516 --> 01:23:45,951
  7317. We are married and we have
  7318. nothing to be ashamed of.
  7319.  
  7320. 1567
  7321. 01:23:45,953 --> 01:23:47,719
  7322. The shame is on them, not you.
  7323.  
  7324. 1568
  7325. 01:23:47,721 --> 01:23:51,624
  7326. You don't need to risk
  7327. your freedom to prove it.
  7328.  
  7329. 1569
  7330. 01:23:51,626 --> 01:23:54,425
  7331. We should discuss
  7332. how you'll plead.
  7333.  
  7334. 1570
  7335. 01:23:54,427 --> 01:23:55,626
  7336. Not guilty.
  7337.  
  7338. 1571
  7339. 01:23:55,628 --> 01:23:57,729
  7340. SHAMI: But you understand
  7341. you confessed.
  7342.  
  7343. 1572
  7344. 01:23:57,731 --> 01:24:01,200
  7345. I confessed that I leaked a memo
  7346. in order to try and save lives.
  7347.  
  7348. 1573
  7349. 01:24:01,202 --> 01:24:05,804
  7350. And we will use that argument
  7351. to ask for a reduced sentence.
  7352.  
  7353. 1574
  7354. 01:24:05,806 --> 01:24:08,773
  7355. If you do plead guilty,
  7356. there will be no jury.
  7357.  
  7358. 1575
  7359. 01:24:08,775 --> 01:24:11,143
  7360. You could be out of jail
  7361. in less than six months.
  7362.  
  7363. 1576
  7364. 01:24:11,145 --> 01:24:12,777
  7365. Given how badly
  7366. the war is going,
  7367.  
  7368. 1577
  7369. 01:24:12,779 --> 01:24:15,179
  7370. we think a judge
  7371. is likely to be sympathetic.
  7372.  
  7373. 1578
  7374. 01:24:15,181 --> 01:24:17,515
  7375. But I'd have
  7376. a criminal record.
  7377.  
  7378. 1579
  7379. 01:24:17,517 --> 01:24:18,849
  7380. JAMES: That is true.
  7381.  
  7382. 1580
  7383. 01:24:18,851 --> 01:24:21,487
  7384. Which I would carry with me
  7385. for the rest of my life
  7386.  
  7387. 1581
  7388. 01:24:21,489 --> 01:24:23,087
  7389. into every job interview,
  7390.  
  7391. 1582
  7392. 01:24:23,089 --> 01:24:24,255
  7393. every application for credit.
  7394.  
  7395. 1583
  7396. 01:24:24,257 --> 01:24:26,157
  7397. - Yes.
  7398. - And I'm sorry.
  7399.  
  7400. 1584
  7401. 01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,893
  7402. We would be conceding
  7403.  
  7404. 1585
  7405. 01:24:28,895 --> 01:24:32,163
  7406. that no one in Intelligence can
  7407. ever tell the British people
  7408.  
  7409. 1586
  7410. 01:24:32,165 --> 01:24:33,866
  7411. when their government
  7412. is lying.
  7413.  
  7414. 1587
  7415. 01:24:33,868 --> 01:24:35,334
  7416. JAMES: Not when
  7417. the lies are protected
  7418.  
  7419. 1588
  7420. 01:24:35,336 --> 01:24:37,702
  7421. by the
  7422. Official Secrets Act, no.
  7423.  
  7424. 1589
  7425. 01:24:37,704 --> 01:24:39,036
  7426. I'm sorry.
  7427. This is all a charade.
  7428.  
  7429. 1590
  7430. 01:24:39,038 --> 01:24:40,872
  7431. I mean, if you're saying
  7432. that I have to plead guilty
  7433.  
  7434. 1591
  7435. 01:24:40,874 --> 01:24:43,642
  7436. because the act allows
  7437. absolutely no defense whatsoever,
  7438.  
  7439. 1592
  7440. 01:24:43,644 --> 01:24:46,045
  7441. then the very idea
  7442. of a fair trial is a joke.
  7443.  
  7444. 1593
  7445. 01:24:46,047 --> 01:24:47,779
  7446. I'm sorry,
  7447. Katharine,
  7448.  
  7449. 1594
  7450. 01:24:47,781 --> 01:24:51,783
  7451. but the best we can do is
  7452. ask a judge for leniency.
  7453.  
  7454. 1595
  7455. 01:24:51,785 --> 01:24:54,551
  7456. Post Belgrano, there
  7457. really is no defense
  7458.  
  7459. 1596
  7460. 01:24:54,553 --> 01:24:56,087
  7461. to a breach of
  7462. the Official Secrets Act...
  7463.  
  7464. 1597
  7465. 01:24:56,089 --> 01:24:57,992
  7466. Except perhaps one.
  7467.  
  7468. 1598
  7469. 01:24:58,959 --> 01:25:00,593
  7470. Katharine said it herself.
  7471.  
  7472. 1599
  7473. 01:25:00,595 --> 01:25:03,295
  7474. She leaked the memo
  7475. to try to save lives.
  7476.  
  7477. 1600
  7478. 01:25:03,297 --> 01:25:04,728
  7479. But she still
  7480. broke the law.
  7481.  
  7482. 1601
  7483. 01:25:04,730 --> 01:25:07,032
  7484. Yes, but there are circumstances
  7485. where you can break the law.
  7486.  
  7487. 1602
  7488. 01:25:07,034 --> 01:25:09,835
  7489. It's only in situations
  7490. of absolute necessity...
  7491.  
  7492. 1603
  7493. 01:25:09,837 --> 01:25:12,304
  7494. - Necessity. Exactly.
  7495. - Ben, you're reaching.
  7496.  
  7497. 1604
  7498. 01:25:12,306 --> 01:25:15,608
  7499. Am I? What are the requirements
  7500. for a defense of necessity?
  7501.  
  7502. 1605
  7503. 01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:17,643
  7504. Imminent threat to your life
  7505. or the lives of others.
  7506.  
  7507. 1606
  7508. 01:25:17,645 --> 01:25:20,246
  7509. Yeah, and no other reasonable
  7510. way to prevent loss of life.
  7511.  
  7512. 1607
  7513. 01:25:20,248 --> 01:25:21,813
  7514. Yes, right, well,
  7515. the invasion posed
  7516.  
  7517. 1608
  7518. 01:25:21,815 --> 01:25:23,915
  7519. an imminent threat
  7520. to thousands of lives.
  7521.  
  7522. 1609
  7523. 01:25:23,917 --> 01:25:25,850
  7524. Katharine has no right
  7525. to try and prevent a war
  7526.  
  7527. 1610
  7528. 01:25:25,852 --> 01:25:27,118
  7529. authorized by
  7530. the Attorney General.
  7531.  
  7532. 1611
  7533. 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,488
  7534. - Unless the war is illegal.
  7535. - SHAMI AND JAMES: What?
  7536.  
  7537. 1612
  7538. 01:25:30,490 --> 01:25:33,724
  7539. - (CHUCKLES)
  7540. - Wait, wait, so now we're going to put the war on trial?
  7541.  
  7542. 1613
  7543. 01:25:33,726 --> 01:25:34,893
  7544. BEN: Yes.
  7545.  
  7546. 1614
  7547. 01:25:34,895 --> 01:25:39,363
  7548. I believe that Katharine Gun
  7549. tried to stop an illegal war.
  7550.  
  7551. 1615
  7552. 01:25:39,365 --> 01:25:41,066
  7553. What she did was necessary
  7554.  
  7555. 1616
  7556. 01:25:41,068 --> 01:25:44,435
  7557. to try to save thousands of
  7558. British-American and Iraqi lives.
  7559.  
  7560. 1617
  7561. 01:25:44,437 --> 01:25:47,538
  7562. And Goldsmith
  7563. specifically stated
  7564.  
  7565. 1618
  7566. 01:25:47,540 --> 01:25:49,040
  7567. that the invasion was legal.
  7568.  
  7569. 1619
  7570. 01:25:49,042 --> 01:25:51,910
  7571. He said so only three days
  7572. before the invasion.
  7573.  
  7574. 1620
  7575. 01:25:51,912 --> 01:25:53,312
  7576. What was his position
  7577. before that?
  7578.  
  7579. 1621
  7580. 01:25:53,314 --> 01:25:56,081
  7581. What was his advice at the
  7582. time Katharine leaked the memo?
  7583.  
  7584. 1622
  7585. 01:25:56,083 --> 01:25:57,948
  7586. - Well, we have no idea.
  7587. - Well, I'd like to find out.
  7588.  
  7589. 1623
  7590. 01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:59,584
  7591. Because Blair spent
  7592. a lot of energy
  7593.  
  7594. 1624
  7595. 01:25:59,586 --> 01:26:02,187
  7596. trying to secure
  7597. a new UN resolution.
  7598.  
  7599. 1625
  7600. 01:26:02,189 --> 01:26:03,421
  7601. I suppose.
  7602.  
  7603. 1626
  7604. 01:26:03,423 --> 01:26:05,590
  7605. When Lord Goldsmith
  7606. finally said
  7607.  
  7608. 1627
  7609. 01:26:05,592 --> 01:26:09,161
  7610. the war was legal,
  7611. his deputy legal advisor resigned.
  7612.  
  7613. 1628
  7614. 01:26:09,163 --> 01:26:10,961
  7615. Yes, Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
  7616. Yeah, that's right.
  7617.  
  7618. 1629
  7619. 01:26:10,963 --> 01:26:12,496
  7620. - She resigned. Yes, yes.
  7621. - SHAMI: But she didn't say why.
  7622.  
  7623. 1630
  7624. 01:26:12,498 --> 01:26:14,032
  7625. KATHARINE: She couldn't.
  7626.  
  7627. 1631
  7628. 01:26:14,034 --> 01:26:16,001
  7629. If she did, she'd be charged
  7630. under the Official Secrets Act.
  7631.  
  7632. 1632
  7633. 01:26:16,003 --> 01:26:18,202
  7634. So I need to get a meeting
  7635. with Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
  7636.  
  7637. 1633
  7638. 01:26:18,204 --> 01:26:20,171
  7639. - She's not gonna go public.
  7640. - BEN: She doesn't have to.
  7641.  
  7642. 1634
  7643. 01:26:20,173 --> 01:26:21,406
  7644. All we need is a hint
  7645.  
  7646. 1635
  7647. 01:26:21,408 --> 01:26:24,242
  7648. that Goldsmith changed his mind
  7649. about the legality of the war.
  7650.  
  7651. 1636
  7652. 01:26:24,244 --> 01:26:28,179
  7653. I'm sorry, Ben. There are two
  7654. ways they could justify war.
  7655.  
  7656. 1637
  7657. 01:26:28,181 --> 01:26:30,447
  7658. - We've only addressed one.
  7659. - So what am I missing?
  7660.  
  7661. 1638
  7662. 01:26:30,449 --> 01:26:31,916
  7663. - Self-defense.
  7664. - Oh, come on.
  7665.  
  7666. 1639
  7667. 01:26:31,918 --> 01:26:33,852
  7668. Does anyone honestly believe
  7669. that this country
  7670.  
  7671. 1640
  7672. 01:26:33,854 --> 01:26:35,621
  7673. was about to be attacked
  7674. by Iraq?
  7675.  
  7676. 1641
  7677. 01:26:35,623 --> 01:26:37,923
  7678. I do agree, but that's why
  7679. they trotted out Powell.
  7680.  
  7681. 1642
  7682. 01:26:37,925 --> 01:26:40,157
  7683. - To make the case for WMDs.
  7684. - Oh.
  7685.  
  7686. 1643
  7687. 01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:41,960
  7688. If it's true that Iraq has
  7689. weapons of mass destruction
  7690.  
  7691. 1644
  7692. 01:26:41,962 --> 01:26:44,595
  7693. that pose an imminent threat
  7694. to this country,
  7695.  
  7696. 1645
  7697. 01:26:44,597 --> 01:26:48,567
  7698. the war is legal
  7699. without a UN resolution.
  7700.  
  7701. 1646
  7702. 01:26:48,569 --> 01:26:49,901
  7703. How many people
  7704. actually believe
  7705.  
  7706. 1647
  7707. 01:26:49,903 --> 01:26:51,803
  7708. Iraq still has weapons
  7709. of mass destruction?
  7710.  
  7711. 1648
  7712. 01:26:51,805 --> 01:26:53,272
  7713. SHAMI: Well,
  7714. they're still looking.
  7715.  
  7716. 1649
  7717. 01:26:53,274 --> 01:26:56,711
  7718. If we go down this route,
  7719. we better pray none are found.
  7720.  
  7721. 1650
  7722. 01:26:58,913 --> 01:27:01,649
  7723. BEN: I'm gonna get
  7724. Elizabeth Wilmshurst's number.
  7725.  
  7726. 1651
  7727. 01:27:04,185 --> 01:27:06,885
  7728. You've put me
  7729. in a rather awkward position.
  7730.  
  7731. 1652
  7732. 01:27:06,887 --> 01:27:10,955
  7733. I'm sorry, but thank you
  7734. for seeing me.
  7735.  
  7736. 1653
  7737. 01:27:10,957 --> 01:27:14,024
  7738. I think what she did
  7739. took great courage.
  7740.  
  7741. 1654
  7742. 01:27:14,026 --> 01:27:17,862
  7743. And she was naive,
  7744. of course, but brave.
  7745.  
  7746. 1655
  7747. 01:27:17,864 --> 01:27:20,935
  7748. And you were
  7749. brave enough to resign.
  7750.  
  7751. 1656
  7752. 01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:26,638
  7753. But not to
  7754. speak out in public.
  7755.  
  7756. 1657
  7757. 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,041
  7758. If I had, I might have caused
  7759. more of a brouhaha.
  7760.  
  7761. 1658
  7762. 01:27:30,043 --> 01:27:31,910
  7763. Sparked a proper debate.
  7764.  
  7765. 1659
  7766. 01:27:31,912 --> 01:27:36,083
  7767. Can I ask you, uh,
  7768. how did you resign?
  7769.  
  7770. 1660
  7771. 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,756
  7772. I wrote a letter.
  7773.  
  7774. 1661
  7775. 01:27:43,056 --> 01:27:46,191
  7776. And in that letter,
  7777. did you give a reason
  7778.  
  7779. 1662
  7780. 01:27:46,193 --> 01:27:48,225
  7781. for your resignation?
  7782.  
  7783. 1663
  7784. 01:27:48,227 --> 01:27:51,563
  7785. I restated my position on
  7786. the legality of going to war.
  7787.  
  7788. 1664
  7789. 01:27:51,565 --> 01:27:53,430
  7790. Which was?
  7791.  
  7792. 1665
  7793. 01:27:53,432 --> 01:27:55,800
  7794. That it would
  7795. not be lawful to use force
  7796.  
  7797. 1666
  7798. 01:27:55,802 --> 01:27:59,170
  7799. without a new
  7800. Security Council resolution.
  7801.  
  7802. 1667
  7803. 01:27:59,172 --> 01:28:03,910
  7804. Um, did Goldsmith initially
  7805. support your view?
  7806.  
  7807. 1668
  7808. 01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:06,879
  7809. He did.
  7810.  
  7811. 1669
  7812. 01:28:06,881 --> 01:28:09,113
  7813. He told Blair that
  7814. if military action were taken,
  7815.  
  7816. 1670
  7817. 01:28:09,115 --> 01:28:11,282
  7818. he expected
  7819. the government to be accused
  7820.  
  7821. 1671
  7822. 01:28:11,284 --> 01:28:13,820
  7823. of acting unlawfully.
  7824.  
  7825. 1672
  7826. 01:28:15,321 --> 01:28:17,992
  7827. And was that
  7828. a written opinion?
  7829.  
  7830. 1673
  7831. 01:28:19,092 --> 01:28:21,228
  7832. It was a detailed
  7833. advisory document.
  7834.  
  7835. 1674
  7836. 01:28:23,029 --> 01:28:26,363
  7837. Right, so then would that
  7838. have been his position
  7839.  
  7840. 1675
  7841. 01:28:26,365 --> 01:28:29,501
  7842. at the time that Katharine Gun
  7843. printed the Koza memo
  7844.  
  7845. 1676
  7846. 01:28:29,503 --> 01:28:31,105
  7847. on February 3?
  7848.  
  7849. 1677
  7850. 01:28:33,540 --> 01:28:34,742
  7851. Yes.
  7852.  
  7853. 1678
  7854. 01:28:36,976 --> 01:28:39,046
  7855. And then
  7856. he went to Washington.
  7857.  
  7858. 1679
  7859. 01:28:39,946 --> 01:28:41,380
  7860. Oh, really?
  7861.  
  7862. 1680
  7863. 01:28:41,382 --> 01:28:46,053
  7864. - Well, who did he meet there?
  7865. - I wasn't given details.
  7866.  
  7867. 1681
  7868. 01:28:47,154 --> 01:28:50,822
  7869. But after that trip,
  7870. his opinion changed.
  7871.  
  7872. 1682
  7873. 01:28:50,824 --> 01:28:53,959
  7874. In nine short paragraphs,
  7875. he said that
  7876.  
  7877. 1683
  7878. 01:28:53,961 --> 01:28:57,528
  7879. the UN's authorization
  7880. for the 1991 Gulf War
  7881.  
  7882. 1684
  7883. 01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:59,965
  7884. could be reactivated
  7885.  
  7886. 1685
  7887. 01:28:59,967 --> 01:29:02,401
  7888. to legitimize
  7889. a new war with Iraq.
  7890.  
  7891. 1686
  7892. 01:29:02,403 --> 01:29:05,702
  7893. He told the Prime Minister
  7894. what he wanted to hear?
  7895.  
  7896. 1687
  7897. 01:29:05,704 --> 01:29:07,839
  7898. At best, he was
  7899. persuaded to support
  7900.  
  7901. 1688
  7902. 01:29:07,841 --> 01:29:10,474
  7903. a really fringe point of view.
  7904.  
  7905. 1689
  7906. 01:29:10,476 --> 01:29:13,644
  7907. - Oh, really fringe.
  7908. - Yeah.
  7909.  
  7910. 1690
  7911. 01:29:13,646 --> 01:29:15,749
  7912. (TELEPHONE RINGING)
  7913.  
  7914. 1691
  7915. 01:29:19,418 --> 01:29:21,118
  7916. - Martin Bright.
  7917. - Martin.
  7918.  
  7919. 1692
  7920. 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,420
  7921. - Ben.
  7922. - Ben.
  7923.  
  7924. 1693
  7925. 01:29:22,422 --> 01:29:23,854
  7926. I took
  7927. your whistleblower's case.
  7928.  
  7929. 1694
  7930. 01:29:23,856 --> 01:29:26,291
  7931. Yes, I heard.
  7932. Can I meet her?
  7933.  
  7934. 1695
  7935. 01:29:26,293 --> 01:29:28,760
  7936. No, not yet, Martin.
  7937. I don't want a media frenzy.
  7938.  
  7939. 1696
  7940. 01:29:28,762 --> 01:29:30,062
  7941. Okay. When she's ready.
  7942.  
  7943. 1697
  7944. 01:29:30,064 --> 01:29:32,296
  7945. Before some hack
  7946. tracks her down.
  7947.  
  7948. 1698
  7949. 01:29:32,298 --> 01:29:34,532
  7950. Come on, Ben, I broke her story.
  7951. I'm on her side.
  7952.  
  7953. 1699
  7954. 01:29:34,534 --> 01:29:36,234
  7955. Well, you can help
  7956. by finding out
  7957.  
  7958. 1700
  7959. 01:29:36,236 --> 01:29:38,803
  7960. why the Attorney General
  7961. went to Washington
  7962.  
  7963. 1701
  7964. 01:29:38,805 --> 01:29:40,671
  7965. just before the war started.
  7966.  
  7967. 1702
  7968. 01:29:40,673 --> 01:29:43,175
  7969. Wait, Goldsmith went to DC?
  7970.  
  7971. 1703
  7972. 01:29:43,177 --> 01:29:44,876
  7973. I'd like to know
  7974. who he met there.
  7975.  
  7976. 1704
  7977. 01:29:44,878 --> 01:29:46,044
  7978. Right. I'm on it.
  7979.  
  7980. 1705
  7981. 01:29:46,046 --> 01:29:48,479
  7982. - And how is Peter?
  7983. - Peter is in Iraq.
  7984.  
  7985. 1706
  7986. 01:29:48,481 --> 01:29:50,782
  7987. Yeah, yeah, I know.
  7988. I've been reading his articles.
  7989.  
  7990. 1707
  7991. 01:29:50,784 --> 01:29:53,050
  7992. Listen, if he hears anything,
  7993. even a hint
  7994.  
  7995. 1708
  7996. 01:29:53,052 --> 01:29:56,287
  7997. that Saddam really did have
  7998. weapons of mass destruction,
  7999.  
  8000. 1709
  8001. 01:29:56,289 --> 01:29:57,456
  8002. then please call me.
  8003.  
  8004. 1710
  8005. 01:29:57,458 --> 01:29:59,590
  8006. Of course. Can I ask why?
  8007.  
  8008. 1711
  8009. 01:29:59,592 --> 01:30:01,559
  8010. Well, let's just say
  8011. that if WMD are found,
  8012.  
  8013. 1712
  8014. 01:30:01,561 --> 01:30:04,862
  8015. then defending Katharine will
  8016. be a little more complicated.
  8017.  
  8018. 1713
  8019. 01:30:04,864 --> 01:30:06,697
  8020. - I'll get back to you.
  8021. - All right, thank you.
  8022.  
  8023. 1714
  8024. 01:30:06,699 --> 01:30:08,135
  8025. Okay. Thank you. Bye.
  8026.  
  8027. 1715
  8028. 01:30:09,235 --> 01:30:10,102
  8029. (WHISTLES)
  8030.  
  8031. 1716
  8032. 01:30:10,104 --> 01:30:11,935
  8033. There's thousands
  8034. of inspectors here
  8035.  
  8036. 1717
  8037. 01:30:11,937 --> 01:30:14,139
  8038. from the US Army,
  8039. the British Army
  8040.  
  8041. 1718
  8042. 01:30:14,141 --> 01:30:15,773
  8043. the CIA, FBI.
  8044.  
  8045. 1719
  8046. 01:30:15,775 --> 01:30:17,175
  8047. MARTIN: And still nothing?
  8048.  
  8049. 1720
  8050. 01:30:17,177 --> 01:30:20,510
  8051. No, no, not a fucking thing.
  8052. Nothing.
  8053.  
  8054. 1721
  8055. 01:30:20,512 --> 01:30:23,380
  8056. Anyway, some Polish troops found
  8057. a cache of Sarin gas warheads
  8058.  
  8059. 1722
  8060. 01:30:23,382 --> 01:30:25,884
  8061. dating back to the Iran-Iraq
  8062. War, but they were all empty.
  8063.  
  8064. 1723
  8065. 01:30:25,886 --> 01:30:27,618
  8066. And right now, I'm standing
  8067. in a glass factory
  8068.  
  8069. 1724
  8070. 01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:31,792
  8071. and all they've found is piles
  8072. of silica sand and soda ash.
  8073.  
  8074. 1725
  8075. 01:30:34,028 --> 01:30:34,926
  8076. So, yeah.
  8077.  
  8078. 1726
  8079. 01:30:34,928 --> 01:30:36,862
  8080. Things must be getting ugly
  8081. in Washington.
  8082.  
  8083. 1727
  8084. 01:30:36,864 --> 01:30:39,063
  8085. Well, you should talk to Ed.
  8086.  
  8087. 1728
  8088. 01:30:39,065 --> 01:30:41,465
  8089. Maybe we could end up doing
  8090. a joint piece or something.
  8091.  
  8092. 1729
  8093. 01:30:41,467 --> 01:30:43,167
  8094. (EXPLOSIONS)
  8095.  
  8096. 1730
  8097. 01:30:43,169 --> 01:30:45,603
  8098. - Peter, what was that?
  8099. - No, no, no.
  8100.  
  8101. 1731
  8102. 01:30:45,605 --> 01:30:48,105
  8103. It's just our guys detonating
  8104. some conventional ordnance.
  8105.  
  8106. 1732
  8107. 01:30:48,107 --> 01:30:49,707
  8108. - They don't wanna have...
  8109. - Jesus.
  8110.  
  8111. 1733
  8112. 01:30:49,709 --> 01:30:52,510
  8113. ...kids finding unexploded
  8114. shit in the rubble.
  8115.  
  8116. 1734
  8117. 01:30:52,512 --> 01:30:54,979
  8118. All right, talk soon.
  8119. Take care.
  8120.  
  8121. 1735
  8122. 01:30:54,981 --> 01:30:57,916
  8123. - Yeah, all right, mate. Bye.
  8124. - (CLAMORING)
  8125.  
  8126. 1736
  8127. 01:30:57,918 --> 01:31:00,285
  8128. - February 11.
  8129. - MARTIN: What?
  8130.  
  8131. 1737
  8132. 01:31:00,287 --> 01:31:03,121
  8133. ED: Goldsmith's in DC
  8134. meeting with the attorneys
  8135.  
  8136. 1738
  8137. 01:31:03,123 --> 01:31:05,290
  8138. for Bush, Powell,
  8139. Rumsfeld and Rice.
  8140.  
  8141. 1739
  8142. 01:31:05,292 --> 01:31:07,325
  8143. - Okay, hold on...
  8144. - But that's not the big story.
  8145.  
  8146. 1740
  8147. 01:31:07,327 --> 01:31:10,728
  8148. The really big story
  8149. is the OSP.
  8150.  
  8151. 1741
  8152. 01:31:10,730 --> 01:31:12,296
  8153. The Office of Special Plans.
  8154.  
  8155. 1742
  8156. 01:31:12,298 --> 01:31:14,831
  8157. Turns out when Bush wasn't getting
  8158. the intelligence he wanted,
  8159.  
  8160. 1743
  8161. 01:31:14,833 --> 01:31:17,669
  8162. Rumsfeld bypassed the CIA
  8163.  
  8164. 1744
  8165. 01:31:17,671 --> 01:31:20,071
  8166. and set up his own
  8167. intelligence unit.
  8168.  
  8169. 1745
  8170. 01:31:20,073 --> 01:31:22,372
  8171. They fed
  8172. raw unvetted intelligence
  8173.  
  8174. 1746
  8175. 01:31:22,374 --> 01:31:25,876
  8176. to Bush and Powell
  8177. who lied us into a war!
  8178.  
  8179. 1747
  8180. 01:31:25,878 --> 01:31:27,578
  8181. Yeah. Okay, Ed.
  8182. I appreciate that.
  8183.  
  8184. 1748
  8185. 01:31:27,580 --> 01:31:29,014
  8186. But let's, first, try and help
  8187.  
  8188. 1749
  8189. 01:31:29,016 --> 01:31:30,848
  8190. a young woman
  8191. stay out of prison.
  8192.  
  8193. 1750
  8194. 01:31:30,850 --> 01:31:33,050
  8195. Uh, you said Goldsmith
  8196. met Bush's lawyers
  8197.  
  8198. 1751
  8199. 01:31:33,052 --> 01:31:35,120
  8200. on February 11.
  8201. Who were those lawyers?
  8202.  
  8203. 1752
  8204. 01:31:35,122 --> 01:31:36,987
  8205. "John Ashcroft,
  8206. Alberto Gonzales,
  8207.  
  8208. 1753
  8209. 01:31:36,989 --> 01:31:40,125
  8210. William Taft, Jim Haynes,
  8211. John Bellinger."
  8212.  
  8213. 1754
  8214. 01:31:40,127 --> 01:31:43,327
  8215. The attorneys for Bush,
  8216. Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice.
  8217.  
  8218. 1755
  8219. 01:31:43,329 --> 01:31:46,096
  8220. Wow. They really
  8221. turned up the heat.
  8222.  
  8223. 1756
  8224. 01:31:46,098 --> 01:31:49,099
  8225. You know, I almost
  8226. feel sorry for Goldsmith.
  8227.  
  8228. 1757
  8229. 01:31:49,101 --> 01:31:52,402
  8230. Don't. He fucking caved when
  8231. his country needed him most.
  8232.  
  8233. 1758
  8234. 01:31:52,404 --> 01:31:54,773
  8235. - That's a great headline, mate.
  8236. - It bloody is.
  8237.  
  8238. 1759
  8239. 01:31:54,775 --> 01:31:56,375
  8240. - (CHUCKLES) All right.
  8241. - Print it.
  8242.  
  8243. 1760
  8244. 01:31:56,377 --> 01:31:58,343
  8245. - Yeah. Bye.
  8246. - We'll share the byline.
  8247.  
  8248. 1761
  8249. 01:31:58,345 --> 01:31:59,777
  8250. Bye.
  8251.  
  8252. 1762
  8253. 01:31:59,779 --> 01:32:01,112
  8254. Nutter.
  8255.  
  8256. 1763
  8257. 01:32:01,114 --> 01:32:03,048
  8258. MARTIN: Goldsmith was
  8259. under tremendous pressure
  8260.  
  8261. 1764
  8262. 01:32:03,050 --> 01:32:04,648
  8263. before he went to Washington.
  8264.  
  8265. 1765
  8266. 01:32:04,650 --> 01:32:06,283
  8267. Our military were
  8268. refusing to invade
  8269.  
  8270. 1766
  8271. 01:32:06,285 --> 01:32:07,986
  8272. without a clear legal opinion
  8273. from him
  8274.  
  8275. 1767
  8276. 01:32:07,988 --> 01:32:09,586
  8277. that what they were doing
  8278. was legal
  8279.  
  8280. 1768
  8281. 01:32:09,588 --> 01:32:11,156
  8282. in case of a war crimes trial.
  8283.  
  8284. 1769
  8285. 01:32:11,158 --> 01:32:13,057
  8286. Thank you, Martin,
  8287. very helpful.
  8288.  
  8289. 1770
  8290. 01:32:13,059 --> 01:32:14,693
  8291. Well, no, hang on,
  8292. hang on, hang on.
  8293.  
  8294. 1771
  8295. 01:32:14,695 --> 01:32:15,992
  8296. Do you think
  8297. you have a defense?
  8298.  
  8299. 1772
  8300. 01:32:15,994 --> 01:32:17,495
  8301. - We're working on it.
  8302. - Okay.
  8303.  
  8304. 1773
  8305. 01:32:17,497 --> 01:32:19,163
  8306. - Let me know when you do.
  8307. - Well, you'll hear it in court.
  8308.  
  8309. 1774
  8310. 01:32:19,165 --> 01:32:20,965
  8311. - Come on, Ben.
  8312. - Bye.
  8313.  
  8314. 1775
  8315. 01:32:20,967 --> 01:32:22,901
  8316. - He's persistent.
  8317. - He is.
  8318.  
  8319. 1776
  8320. 01:32:22,903 --> 01:32:24,102
  8321. But it's your story
  8322.  
  8323. 1777
  8324. 01:32:24,104 --> 01:32:26,703
  8325. and you don't need
  8326. a media trial.
  8327.  
  8328. 1778
  8329. 01:32:26,705 --> 01:32:29,741
  8330. We should request full
  8331. disclosure of all legal advice
  8332.  
  8333. 1779
  8334. 01:32:29,743 --> 01:32:33,310
  8335. given by Goldsmith in the year
  8336. leading up to the invasion.
  8337.  
  8338. 1780
  8339. 01:32:33,312 --> 01:32:35,179
  8340. He'll almost certainly
  8341. refuse to comply.
  8342.  
  8343. 1781
  8344. 01:32:35,181 --> 01:32:37,148
  8345. Then we'll
  8346. subpoena Wilmshurst.
  8347.  
  8348. 1782
  8349. 01:32:37,150 --> 01:32:40,085
  8350. Hell, we'll subpoena Goldsmith himself.
  8351. And Blair too.
  8352.  
  8353. 1783
  8354. 01:32:40,087 --> 01:32:44,255
  8355. Ben, if we can't prove that
  8356. Goldsmith changed his advice,
  8357.  
  8358. 1784
  8359. 01:32:44,257 --> 01:32:48,062
  8360. we can't argue that Katharine
  8361. tried to stop an illegal war.
  8362.  
  8363. 1785
  8364. 01:32:48,529 --> 01:32:49,897
  8365. What then?
  8366.  
  8367. 1786
  8368. 01:32:58,404 --> 01:33:02,275
  8369. - Then I'll be found guilty.
  8370. - BEN: Almost certainly, yes.
  8371.  
  8372. 1787
  8373. 01:33:09,516 --> 01:33:12,684
  8374. So, do you want
  8375. to risk it all
  8376.  
  8377. 1788
  8378. 01:33:12,686 --> 01:33:17,889
  8379. and ask for disclosure
  8380. of the government's documents,
  8381.  
  8382. 1789
  8383. 01:33:17,891 --> 01:33:19,323
  8384. or would you
  8385. rather plead guilty
  8386.  
  8387. 1790
  8388. 01:33:19,325 --> 01:33:22,195
  8389. and hope
  8390. for a reduced sentence?
  8391.  
  8392. 1791
  8393. 01:33:28,635 --> 01:33:30,301
  8394. (SIGHS)
  8395.  
  8396. 1792
  8397. 01:33:30,303 --> 01:33:31,504
  8398. I think...
  8399.  
  8400. 1793
  8401. 01:33:33,272 --> 01:33:36,644
  8402. ...we were lied
  8403. into an illegal war.
  8404.  
  8405. 1794
  8406. 01:33:42,681 --> 01:33:44,584
  8407. Let's ask for the documents.
  8408.  
  8409. 1795
  8410. 01:33:50,891 --> 01:33:52,159
  8411. All right.
  8412.  
  8413. 1796
  8414. 01:34:13,812 --> 01:34:15,582
  8415. (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
  8416.  
  8417. 1797
  8418. 01:34:16,415 --> 01:34:17,952
  8419. (CLAMORING)
  8420.  
  8421. 1798
  8422. 01:34:22,388 --> 01:34:23,988
  8423. You ready?
  8424.  
  8425. 1799
  8426. 01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:25,889
  8427. No statements now,
  8428. remember.
  8429.  
  8430. 1800
  8431. 01:34:25,891 --> 01:34:27,627
  8432. Let's just get through
  8433. those doors.
  8434.  
  8435. 1801
  8436. 01:34:36,035 --> 01:34:38,038
  8437. (CLAMORING CONTINUES)
  8438.  
  8439. 1802
  8440. 01:34:50,650 --> 01:34:53,151
  8441. - JAMES: Katharine, you okay?
  8442. - KATHARINE: Yeah.
  8443.  
  8444. 1803
  8445. 01:34:53,153 --> 01:34:54,986
  8446. JAMES: Ben's already
  8447. in the courtroom
  8448.  
  8449. 1804
  8450. 01:34:54,988 --> 01:34:57,255
  8451. but he wanted you to
  8452. meet Martin Bright.
  8453.  
  8454. 1805
  8455. 01:34:57,257 --> 01:34:59,724
  8456. Uh, he's covering the trial.
  8457.  
  8458. 1806
  8459. 01:34:59,726 --> 01:35:01,526
  8460. Katharine, it's an honor.
  8461.  
  8462. 1807
  8463. 01:35:01,528 --> 01:35:04,161
  8464. I'll be in the press gallery.
  8465. I hope that's all right?
  8466.  
  8467. 1808
  8468. 01:35:04,163 --> 01:35:06,965
  8469. Yeah, uh, yeah. You...
  8470.  
  8471. 1809
  8472. 01:35:06,967 --> 01:35:09,600
  8473. You took a real risk.
  8474.  
  8475. 1810
  8476. 01:35:09,602 --> 01:35:11,368
  8477. No, you took the risk.
  8478.  
  8479. 1811
  8480. 01:35:11,370 --> 01:35:12,938
  8481. I think what you did
  8482. was extraordinary.
  8483.  
  8484. 1812
  8485. 01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:15,673
  8486. I think what you exposed
  8487. was extraordinary.
  8488.  
  8489. 1813
  8490. 01:35:15,675 --> 01:35:17,375
  8491. All our institutions
  8492. failed us.
  8493.  
  8494. 1814
  8495. 01:35:17,377 --> 01:35:19,210
  8496. The government,
  8497. the intelligence services,
  8498.  
  8499. 1815
  8500. 01:35:19,212 --> 01:35:22,346
  8501. the press,
  8502. they failed us categorically.
  8503.  
  8504. 1816
  8505. 01:35:22,348 --> 01:35:25,183
  8506. Even my own paper supported
  8507. the war before that memo.
  8508.  
  8509. 1817
  8510. 01:35:25,185 --> 01:35:26,718
  8511. Well, thank you
  8512. for being here.
  8513.  
  8514. 1818
  8515. 01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,819
  8516. No, thank you.
  8517.  
  8518. 1819
  8519. 01:35:28,821 --> 01:35:32,159
  8520. It's important what you did.
  8521. It matters.
  8522.  
  8523. 1820
  8524. 01:35:33,525 --> 01:35:36,094
  8525. - JAMES: We should go in, Martin.
  8526. - MARTIN: Yes.
  8527.  
  8528. 1821
  8529. 01:35:36,096 --> 01:35:39,700
  8530. Sorry, James. Yes.
  8531. Uh, be strong.
  8532.  
  8533. 1822
  8534. 01:35:42,302 --> 01:35:44,801
  8535. Katharine,
  8536. you're going that way.
  8537.  
  8538. 1823
  8539. 01:35:44,803 --> 01:35:46,670
  8540. Uh, can I just have a moment?
  8541.  
  8542. 1824
  8543. 01:35:46,672 --> 01:35:48,474
  8544. - Of course.
  8545. - Thanks.
  8546.  
  8547. 1825
  8548. 01:35:51,511 --> 01:35:53,577
  8549. You should leave that
  8550. behind, ma'am.
  8551.  
  8552. 1826
  8553. 01:35:53,579 --> 01:35:56,315
  8554. Uh, yeah, sorry,
  8555. can I just have a second? Just...
  8556.  
  8557. 1827
  8558. 01:36:05,190 --> 01:36:06,924
  8559. (CELL PHONE RINGS)
  8560.  
  8561. 1828
  8562. 01:36:06,926 --> 01:36:08,425
  8563. Janum?
  8564.  
  8565. 1829
  8566. 01:36:08,427 --> 01:36:11,664
  8567. Hi. Um, I'm about to go in.
  8568.  
  8569. 1830
  8570. 01:36:15,735 --> 01:36:17,104
  8571. I love you.
  8572.  
  8573. 1831
  8574. 01:36:18,504 --> 01:36:20,671
  8575. I love you too.
  8576.  
  8577. 1832
  8578. 01:36:20,673 --> 01:36:24,709
  8579. Uh, I'm gonna try
  8580. and call as soon as I can.
  8581.  
  8582. 1833
  8583. 01:36:24,711 --> 01:36:26,579
  8584. I wish I was there with you.
  8585.  
  8586. 1834
  8587. 01:36:29,716 --> 01:36:31,084
  8588. I know.
  8589.  
  8590. 1835
  8591. 01:36:32,019 --> 01:36:33,651
  8592. I'm so sorry.
  8593.  
  8594. 1836
  8595. 01:36:33,653 --> 01:36:36,256
  8596. You have nothing
  8597. to be sorry for.
  8598.  
  8599. 1837
  8600. 01:36:37,422 --> 01:36:41,127
  8601. I'm so proud of you.
  8602. So proud of you.
  8603.  
  8604. 1838
  8605. 01:36:43,497 --> 01:36:45,399
  8606. (SNIFFLES) Bye.
  8607.  
  8608. 1839
  8609. 01:36:46,867 --> 01:36:48,135
  8610. Bye.
  8611.  
  8612. 1840
  8613. 01:36:54,106 --> 01:36:55,641
  8614. - SECURITY: Miss?
  8615. - (SNIFFLES)
  8616.  
  8617. 1841
  8618. 01:36:56,943 --> 01:36:58,145
  8619. Sorry.
  8620.  
  8621. 1842
  8622. 01:36:58,811 --> 01:37:00,478
  8623. I can take your bag.
  8624.  
  8625. 1843
  8626. 01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:03,117
  8627. - We'll see you in there, okay?
  8628. - Yeah.
  8629.  
  8630. 1844
  8631. 01:37:34,379 --> 01:37:37,217
  8632. Your scarf and jacket,
  8633. please.
  8634.  
  8635. 1845
  8636. 01:37:42,521 --> 01:37:45,591
  8637. Okay, and then
  8638. if you'll raise your arms.
  8639.  
  8640. 1846
  8641. 01:37:59,506 --> 01:38:00,507
  8642. Okay.
  8643.  
  8644. 1847
  8645. 01:38:03,944 --> 01:38:05,379
  8646. (PICKS UP RECEIVER)
  8647.  
  8648. 1848
  8649. 01:38:05,811 --> 01:38:06,946
  8650. She's here.
  8651.  
  8652. 1849
  8653. 01:38:07,881 --> 01:38:09,813
  8654. Right. Okay.
  8655.  
  8656. 1850
  8657. 01:38:09,815 --> 01:38:10,950
  8658. Judge is ready.
  8659.  
  8660. 1851
  8661. 01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:22,428
  8662. Up you go.
  8663.  
  8664. 1852
  8665. 01:38:44,418 --> 01:38:47,285
  8666. CLERK: Are you
  8667. Katharine Teresa Gun?
  8668.  
  8669. 1853
  8670. 01:38:47,287 --> 01:38:48,419
  8671. (SOFTLY) Yes.
  8672.  
  8673. 1854
  8674. 01:38:48,421 --> 01:38:52,156
  8675. I'm sorry.
  8676. Can you speak up, please?
  8677.  
  8678. 1855
  8679. 01:38:52,158 --> 01:38:53,523
  8680. Yes, I am.
  8681.  
  8682. 1856
  8683. 01:38:53,525 --> 01:38:56,126
  8684. CLERK: "Katharine Teresa Gun,
  8685.  
  8686. 1857
  8687. 01:38:56,128 --> 01:38:57,560
  8688. "you are charged
  8689. with an offense
  8690.  
  8691. 1858
  8692. 01:38:57,562 --> 01:39:00,698
  8693. "contrary to Section 1,
  8694. Subsection 1
  8695.  
  8696. 1859
  8697. 01:39:00,700 --> 01:39:04,501
  8698. "of the Official Secrets Act
  8699. of 1989.
  8700.  
  8701. 1860
  8702. 01:39:04,503 --> 01:39:08,673
  8703. "In that between January 30
  8704. and March 2 of 2003
  8705.  
  8706. 1861
  8707. 01:39:08,675 --> 01:39:11,309
  8708. "you did knowingly
  8709. and intentionally
  8710.  
  8711. 1862
  8712. 01:39:11,311 --> 01:39:14,245
  8713. "disclose top secret
  8714. intelligence information
  8715.  
  8716. 1863
  8717. 01:39:14,247 --> 01:39:16,714
  8718. "contrary to the said act."
  8719.  
  8720. 1864
  8721. 01:39:16,716 --> 01:39:20,654
  8722. How do you plead?
  8723. Guilty or not guilty?
  8724.  
  8725. 1865
  8726. 01:39:22,989 --> 01:39:24,357
  8727. JUDGE: Ms. Gun?
  8728.  
  8729. 1866
  8730. 01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:28,893
  8731. Not guilty.
  8732.  
  8733. 1867
  8734. 01:39:28,895 --> 01:39:30,897
  8735. (AUDIENCE MURMURING)
  8736.  
  8737. 1868
  8738. 01:39:33,033 --> 01:39:35,435
  8739. Yes, Mr. Ellison.
  8740.  
  8741. 1869
  8742. 01:39:39,204 --> 01:39:41,374
  8743. Yes, thank you, My Lord.
  8744.  
  8745. 1870
  8746. 01:39:42,374 --> 01:39:46,111
  8747. My Lord, in light of
  8748. recent developments,
  8749.  
  8750. 1871
  8751. 01:39:46,113 --> 01:39:48,478
  8752. the prosecution
  8753. will offer no evidence
  8754.  
  8755. 1872
  8756. 01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,215
  8757. against the defendant
  8758. on this indictment.
  8759.  
  8760. 1873
  8761. 01:39:51,217 --> 01:39:52,850
  8762. (AUDIENCE MURMURING)
  8763.  
  8764. 1874
  8765. 01:39:52,852 --> 01:39:54,520
  8766. JUDGE: I beg your pardon?
  8767.  
  8768. 1875
  8769. 01:39:56,823 --> 01:40:00,291
  8770. My Lord, the prosecution will
  8771. not pursue the indictment.
  8772.  
  8773. 1876
  8774. 01:40:00,293 --> 01:40:01,561
  8775. JUDGE: Today?
  8776.  
  8777. 1877
  8778. 01:40:02,495 --> 01:40:04,862
  8779. - No, My Lord.
  8780. - JUDGE: I'm sorry.
  8781.  
  8782. 1878
  8783. 01:40:04,864 --> 01:40:08,368
  8784. Are you asking for
  8785. an adjournment, Mr. Ellison?
  8786.  
  8787. 1879
  8788. 01:40:09,334 --> 01:40:10,701
  8789. ELLISON: No, My Lord.
  8790.  
  8791. 1880
  8792. 01:40:10,703 --> 01:40:12,803
  8793. JUDGE: You are saying
  8794. that you do not wish
  8795.  
  8796. 1881
  8797. 01:40:12,805 --> 01:40:15,907
  8798. to proceed at all?
  8799.  
  8800. 1882
  8801. 01:40:15,909 --> 01:40:17,274
  8802. ELLISON: Yes, My Lord.
  8803.  
  8804. 1883
  8805. 01:40:17,276 --> 01:40:19,645
  8806. But the accused confessed.
  8807.  
  8808. 1884
  8809. 01:40:20,881 --> 01:40:21,844
  8810. Yes, My Lord.
  8811.  
  8812. 1885
  8813. 01:40:21,846 --> 01:40:24,615
  8814. JUDGE: And yet you do not
  8815. wish to proceed?
  8816.  
  8817. 1886
  8818. 01:40:24,617 --> 01:40:26,416
  8819. - ELLISON: No, My Lord.
  8820. - JUDGE: I'm sorry.
  8821.  
  8822. 1887
  8823. 01:40:26,418 --> 01:40:28,486
  8824. I find that extraordinary.
  8825.  
  8826. 1888
  8827. 01:40:28,488 --> 01:40:30,524
  8828. Do you care to explain?
  8829.  
  8830. 1889
  8831. 01:40:33,025 --> 01:40:36,559
  8832. My Lord, the accused
  8833. submitted an unusual defense.
  8834.  
  8835. 1890
  8836. 01:40:36,561 --> 01:40:39,162
  8837. Yes. The defense of necessity.
  8838.  
  8839. 1891
  8840. 01:40:39,164 --> 01:40:40,798
  8841. - ELLISON: Yes.
  8842. - And?
  8843.  
  8844. 1892
  8845. 01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,167
  8846. And we do not believe we have
  8847. sufficient evidence to rebut it.
  8848.  
  8849. 1893
  8850. 01:40:44,169 --> 01:40:46,036
  8851. Why not? She confessed.
  8852.  
  8853. 1894
  8854. 01:40:46,038 --> 01:40:47,639
  8855. Because, My Lord,
  8856.  
  8857. 1895
  8858. 01:40:47,641 --> 01:40:50,642
  8859. the documents that
  8860. we have called for would show
  8861.  
  8862. 1896
  8863. 01:40:50,644 --> 01:40:54,045
  8864. that this country was taken
  8865. to war illegally...
  8866.  
  8867. 1897
  8868. 01:40:54,047 --> 01:40:55,379
  8869. (AUDIENCE MURMURING)
  8870.  
  8871. 1898
  8872. 01:40:55,381 --> 01:40:57,915
  8873. ...and may expose
  8874.  
  8875. 1899
  8876. 01:40:57,917 --> 01:41:01,452
  8877. the government to
  8878. charges of war crimes.
  8879.  
  8880. 1900
  8881. 01:41:01,454 --> 01:41:03,890
  8882. - That is absurd!
  8883. - Is it?
  8884.  
  8885. 1901
  8886. 01:41:05,624 --> 01:41:07,692
  8887. Then kindly hand over
  8888. the documents
  8889.  
  8890. 1902
  8891. 01:41:07,694 --> 01:41:10,661
  8892. that we have asked to see.
  8893.  
  8894. 1903
  8895. 01:41:10,663 --> 01:41:12,429
  8896. My Lord, the prosecution
  8897. is not obliged.
  8898.  
  8899. 1904
  8900. 01:41:12,431 --> 01:41:15,765
  8901. Indeed, it is not permitted to continue
  8902. with a case if it does not believe
  8903.  
  8904. 1905
  8905. 01:41:15,767 --> 01:41:18,368
  8906. there is a realistic prospect
  8907. of a conviction.
  8908.  
  8909. 1906
  8910. 01:41:18,370 --> 01:41:20,604
  8911. To do so would be a waste
  8912. of taxpayers' funds.
  8913.  
  8914. 1907
  8915. 01:41:20,606 --> 01:41:22,473
  8916. My Lord, I am thankful
  8917.  
  8918. 1908
  8919. 01:41:22,475 --> 01:41:25,643
  8920. that the charges against
  8921. Ms. Gun are being withdrawn
  8922.  
  8923. 1909
  8924. 01:41:25,645 --> 01:41:28,277
  8925. and that the Crown
  8926. is suddenly so determined
  8927.  
  8928. 1910
  8929. 01:41:28,279 --> 01:41:30,480
  8930. not to waste taxpayers' money.
  8931.  
  8932. 1911
  8933. 01:41:30,482 --> 01:41:33,718
  8934. But surely,
  8935. after months of uncertainty
  8936.  
  8937. 1912
  8938. 01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:38,022
  8939. and severe distress,
  8940. Ms. Gun is entitled to know
  8941.  
  8942. 1913
  8943. 01:41:38,024 --> 01:41:40,925
  8944. why the government
  8945. is dropping this case?
  8946.  
  8947. 1914
  8948. 01:41:40,927 --> 01:41:44,194
  8949. Indeed, the public
  8950. is entitled to know.
  8951.  
  8952. 1915
  8953. 01:41:44,196 --> 01:41:45,998
  8954. - AUDIENCE: Hear, hear.
  8955. - Hear.
  8956.  
  8957. 1916
  8958. 01:41:48,534 --> 01:41:50,069
  8959. JUDGE: Mr. Ellison?
  8960.  
  8961. 1917
  8962. 01:41:53,338 --> 01:41:55,005
  8963. Again, My Lord, we do not feel
  8964.  
  8965. 1918
  8966. 01:41:55,007 --> 01:41:57,908
  8967. we have a realistic prospect
  8968. of a conviction.
  8969.  
  8970. 1919
  8971. 01:41:57,910 --> 01:42:00,046
  8972. There is nothing more
  8973. I can say.
  8974.  
  8975. 1920
  8976. 01:42:01,047 --> 01:42:02,580
  8977. JUDGE: To be clear,
  8978.  
  8979. 1921
  8980. 01:42:02,582 --> 01:42:06,750
  8981. you are withdrawing
  8982. all charges
  8983.  
  8984. 1922
  8985. 01:42:06,752 --> 01:42:09,489
  8986. against
  8987. Katharine Teresa Gun?
  8988.  
  8989. 1923
  8990. 01:42:12,525 --> 01:42:13,657
  8991. Yes, My Lord.
  8992.  
  8993. 1924
  8994. 01:42:13,659 --> 01:42:15,162
  8995. (INDISTINCT CHATTER)
  8996.  
  8997. 1925
  8998. 01:42:24,471 --> 01:42:25,872
  8999. Ms. Gun...
  9000.  
  9001. 1926
  9002. 01:42:31,244 --> 01:42:32,813
  9003. ...you are free to go.
  9004.  
  9005. 1927
  9006. 01:42:34,247 --> 01:42:35,714
  9007. (SIGHS)
  9008.  
  9009. 1928
  9010. 01:42:38,918 --> 01:42:39,986
  9011. (EXHALES)
  9012.  
  9013. 1929
  9014. 01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,215
  9015. REPORTER 1: In a startling about-turn,
  9016. the Crown Prosecution Service
  9017.  
  9018. 1930
  9019. 01:43:11,217 --> 01:43:13,350
  9020. has dropped its case
  9021. against an intelligence...
  9022.  
  9023. 1931
  9024. 01:43:13,352 --> 01:43:16,754
  9025. REPORTER 2: At 29, Katharine Gun
  9026. was facing jail for breaking the...
  9027.  
  9028. 1932
  9029. 01:43:16,756 --> 01:43:18,054
  9030. REPORTER 3: The last thing
  9031. the government wanted
  9032.  
  9033. 1933
  9034. 01:43:18,056 --> 01:43:19,523
  9035. within months
  9036. of a general election
  9037.  
  9038. 1934
  9039. 01:43:19,525 --> 01:43:20,758
  9040. was a big court case
  9041.  
  9042. 1935
  9043. 01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,859
  9044. focusing on the legality
  9045. of that war...
  9046.  
  9047. 1936
  9048. 01:43:22,861 --> 01:43:24,795
  9049. REPORTER 4: The lawyers wanted
  9050. the Attorney General's
  9051.  
  9052. 1937
  9053. 01:43:24,797 --> 01:43:26,563
  9054. secret advice
  9055. to Downing Street
  9056.  
  9057. 1938
  9058. 01:43:26,565 --> 01:43:29,466
  9059. about whether invading Iraq
  9060. was or was not legal
  9061.  
  9062. 1939
  9063. 01:43:29,468 --> 01:43:31,468
  9064. disclosed that the...
  9065.  
  9066. 1940
  9067. 01:43:31,470 --> 01:43:34,507
  9068. And he was involved in deciding
  9069. whether today's case...
  9070.  
  9071. 1941
  9072. 01:43:39,645 --> 01:43:42,979
  9073. REPORTER 5: First tonight,
  9074. Katharine Gun walks free.
  9075.  
  9076. 1942
  9077. 01:43:42,981 --> 01:43:44,915
  9078. In a dramatic about-turn,
  9079. the Crown...
  9080.  
  9081. 1943
  9082. 01:43:44,917 --> 01:43:46,684
  9083. REPORTER 6:
  9084. So did the Attorney General
  9085.  
  9086. 1944
  9087. 01:43:46,686 --> 01:43:48,518
  9088. put pressure on to stop
  9089. the trial?
  9090.  
  9091. 1945
  9092. 01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:50,121
  9093. Did GCHQ?
  9094.  
  9095. 1946
  9096. 01:43:50,123 --> 01:43:52,590
  9097. Did the prime minister?
  9098. No answers.
  9099.  
  9100. 1947
  9101. 01:43:52,592 --> 01:43:54,259
  9102. Tonight we're simply
  9103. asked to believe
  9104.  
  9105. 1948
  9106. 01:43:54,261 --> 01:43:56,997
  9107. that there was no case
  9108. to answer.
  9109.  
  9110. 1949
  9111. 01:43:58,998 --> 01:44:00,465
  9112. (CLAMORING)
  9113.  
  9114. 1950
  9115. 01:44:00,467 --> 01:44:02,767
  9116. REPORTER:
  9117. Would you do it again?
  9118.  
  9119. 1951
  9120. 01:44:02,769 --> 01:44:04,801
  9121. - Would you do it again?
  9122. - I have no regrets.
  9123.  
  9124. 1952
  9125. 01:44:04,803 --> 01:44:07,039
  9126. Yes, and I would
  9127. do it again, yes.
  9128.  
  9129. 1953
  9130. 01:44:22,622 --> 01:44:23,990
  9131. Caught anything?
  9132.  
  9133. 1954
  9134. 01:44:25,257 --> 01:44:26,626
  9135. Not yet.
  9136.  
  9137. 1955
  9138. 01:44:40,940 --> 01:44:44,010
  9139. You know, it wasn't
  9140. my choice to prosecute.
  9141.  
  9142. 1956
  9143. 01:44:45,845 --> 01:44:49,348
  9144. I was bound by the decision
  9145. of the Attorney General.
  9146.  
  9147. 1957
  9148. 01:44:50,748 --> 01:44:54,152
  9149. Why did you keep her
  9150. in a state of distress
  9151.  
  9152. 1958
  9153. 01:44:54,154 --> 01:44:58,721
  9154. for a year
  9155. before you brought charges?
  9156.  
  9157. 1959
  9158. 01:44:58,723 --> 01:45:02,492
  9159. The services wanted to make
  9160. an example of her.
  9161.  
  9162. 1960
  9163. 01:45:02,494 --> 01:45:05,429
  9164. If we dropped the case
  9165. any earlier,
  9166.  
  9167. 1961
  9168. 01:45:05,431 --> 01:45:08,133
  9169. what kind of message
  9170. would that have sent?
  9171.  
  9172. 1962
  9173. 01:45:13,138 --> 01:45:15,007
  9174. Do me a favor, Ken.
  9175.  
  9176. 1963
  9177. 01:45:15,675 --> 01:45:17,744
  9178. Go and fish somewhere else.
  9179.  
  9180. 1964
  9181. 01:45:51,244 --> 01:45:56,244
  9182. Subtitles by explosiveskull
  9183. akumenang.com
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