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- Subtitles by explosiveskull
- akumenang.com
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- CLERK: "Katharine Teresa Gun,
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- 00:00:59,391 --> 00:01:00,856
- "you are charged
- with an offence
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- "contrary to Section 1,
- Subsection 1
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- "of the Official Secrets Act
- of 1989
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- 00:01:08,533 --> 00:01:11,468
- "and that you did knowingly
- and intentionally
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- 00:01:11,470 --> 00:01:14,270
- "disclose top secret
- intelligence information
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- "contrary to the said act."
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- How do you plead?
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- Guilty or not guilty?
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- 00:01:36,062 --> 00:01:37,997
- (BED CREAKING)
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- 00:01:39,331 --> 00:01:40,831
- (KATHARINE LAUGHING)
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- - YASAR: What?
- - KATHARINE: The neighbors will hear.
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- YASAR: Let's move over.
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- - Better?
- - Better.
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- FROST: (ON TV) And what about the
- situation of persuading the people?
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- Because it's very,
- to put it mildly
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- uncomfortable to go to war
- with 73% against.
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- 00:02:08,292 --> 00:02:11,194
- TONY BLAIR: If people are being
- asked today do you support a war,
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- my answer to that
- is we're not at war today.
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- I think especially,
- obviously, if the UN pass
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- the second resolution,
- as I believe they will
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- if the inspectors carry on
- saying he's not cooperating,
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- I think public opinion
- is in a different place.
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- When your correspondent
- was saying
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- the war is inevitable,
- war is not inevitable.
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- It depends on Saddam.
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- If he cooperates
- with the inspectors,
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- if he says
- how much material he's got,
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- if he cooperates fully
- with them,
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- then the issue's over.
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- But he's not doing that
- at the moment.
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- Bloody liar.
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- They're all
- bloody liars.
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- You know, actually,
- I don't think they are.
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- I don't think the weapons
- inspectors are lying.
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- This and international
- terrorism
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- are the two
- big security threats.
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- - YASAR: Want coffee?
- - No, thanks.
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- FROST: (ON TV) We were told,
- we were given to understand
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- that what these inspectors
- were gonna come up with was
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- evidence of weapons
- of mass destruction,
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- chemical,
- biological and nuclear.
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- 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,782
- What we know is that
- he has this material.
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- Oh, my God, we don't know that.
- We don't know that.
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- 00:03:07,852 --> 00:03:10,320
- I mean, he just keeps
- repeating the lie.
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- You sure it's a lie?
- Saddam's a psychopath.
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- Yeah, well, just because
- you're the Prime Minister,
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- it doesn't mean you get
- to make up your own facts.
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- FROST: (ON TV) Do you think
- you have the goods on him now?
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- TONY BLAIR: I've got no doubt at all
- that he's developing these weapons
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- and that he poses a threat.
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- - KATHARINE: Be at the cafe by 4:00.
- - I can fetch you at 5:00.
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- No, no, no. I was gonna
- get the bus. I love you.
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- Love you.
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- 00:03:43,522 --> 00:03:45,156
- (BOTH SPEAKING MANDARIN)
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- (LAUGHS)
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- (IN ENGLISH) Yes.
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- You know he has a place
- in Devon.
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- He wants to take me
- surfing with his dog.
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- - Is that a bad thing?
- - No, it's a great dog.
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- Okay.
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- When was the last time
- you got away?
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- KATHARINE: Oh, don't know,
- three or four weeks ago.
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- We went hiking
- in Yorkshire.
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- MI-YUNG: Oh. Shall we all
- go hiking together?
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- KATHARINE: Yeah, that would be lovely.
- With the dog?
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- MI-YUNG: Mmm. (CHUCKLES)
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- Oh!
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- Oh, thank you.
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- I'm starving.
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- I've been here
- since 5:00,
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- listening to
- a Russian embassy staffer
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- trying to bribe
- a North Korean defector
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- who's been downloading
- some kinky shit.
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- - Very arousing few hours.
- - You're disgusting.
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- (LAUGHS) It's for
- the Queen and country.
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- MI6 thought the Korean
- was one of ours.
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- I just proved he's not.
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- GCHQ, 1. MI6, 0.
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- FIONA: Katharine.
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- I need your Beijing report
- for the Foreign Office.
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- They start trade talks
- next week.
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- Yeah, on it.
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- (KEYBOARD CLACKING)
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- 00:05:04,336 --> 00:05:07,072
- (MAN SPEAKING MANDARIN
- ON AUDIO FILE)
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- (MESSAGE DINGS)
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- (READING)
- "As you've likely heard by now
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- "the Agency is mounting
- a surge
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- "particularly directed at the
- UN Security Council members
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- "minus US and Great Britain,
- of course
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- "for insights as to how
- membership is reacting
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- "to the ongoing debate
- RE Iraq.
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- "That means
- a QRC surge effort to revive,
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- "create efforts against
- UN Security Council members,
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- "Angola, Cameroon,
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- "Chile, Bulgaria and Guinea."
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- (SOFTLY) Andy.
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- Did you get this NSA e-mail?
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- Are the Yanks really asking
- us to dig up personal shit
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- on UN Security Council
- delegates?
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- "They want
- the whole gamut of info
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- "that could give
- US policy makers an edge
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- "in obtaining results
- favorable to US goals."
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- Christ, they wanna
- fix the vote.
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- "This effort will probably
- peak in the middle of next week
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- "following the Secretary
- of State's presentation
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- "to the UN Security Council."
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- Powell's gonna
- argue for war.
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- And they're gonna blackmail
- the smaller nations
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- to make sure
- they get it. Fuck.
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- Excuse me.
- (CLEARS THROAT) Question.
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- FIONA: Yeah.
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- (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
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- Uh, this NSA memo,
- our people approved it?
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- Yes, that's why
- it's been forwarded.
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- The Americans want us to help
- them get a UN resolution for war?
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- By next week?
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- It's a joint
- UK/USA operation.
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- UKUSA. Right.
- Got it.
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- Hey, (CLEARS THROAT)
- ours not to reason why.
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- Everything good today,
- Mrs. Archer?
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- Yes, thank you. Very good.
- Very, very good.
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- I'll see you again
- tomorrow, yes?
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- Yes.
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- Thank you, dear.
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- - YASAR: Hey.
- - Hey.
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- You okay?
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- 00:07:49,066 --> 00:07:51,834
- Yeah, it's been
- a long day.
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- I need ten minutes.
- Want something to eat?
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- No.
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- You working
- this weekend?
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- Could we go somewhere,
- get out of town?
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- Sorry, janum,
- I'll get next weekend for sure.
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- REPORTER: (ON TV) A question
- for the President if I may.
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- What is the status, in your
- view, of any second resolution?
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- Is it something
- that you think is worth
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- spending time and energy
- trying to assemble?
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- PRESIDENT BUSH: Just let me
- reiterate what I just said.
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- This is a matter of weeks,
- not months.
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- Any attempt to drag
- the process on for months
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- will be resisted
- by the United States.
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- - Can we watch something else?
- - No, no, this is important.
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- PRESIDENT BUSH: Secretary
- Powell will make a strong case
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- about the danger
- of an armed Saddam Hussein
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- and he will also talk
- about Al-Qaeda links.
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- Come on, there are
- no credible links
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- between Saddam
- and Al-Qaeda.
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- 00:08:41,987 --> 00:08:43,820
- PRESIDENT BUSH: ...really
- do portend a danger...
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- - I'll turn it off.
- - No, no, no, no, no.
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- 00:08:45,256 --> 00:08:46,355
- Please,
- I need to watch this.
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- I need to know
- what they're saying.
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- I mean, yes.
- Yes, Saddam is a dictator,
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- but he is not
- a religious nut.
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- I mean, why would
- he risk arming Al-Qaeda
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- and have them turn against him?
- It doesn't make any sense!
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- Fine, but yelling
- at the TV
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- isn't going to make
- any difference.
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- They can't bloody
- hear you.
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- 00:09:02,674 --> 00:09:04,206
- - Where you going?
- - To read a book.
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- 00:09:04,208 --> 00:09:06,509
- PRESIDENT BUSH: You see,
- my vision shifted dramatically
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- 00:09:06,511 --> 00:09:08,010
- after September 11.
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- 00:09:08,012 --> 00:09:09,379
- I realized
- the world has changed.
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- 00:09:09,381 --> 00:09:11,913
- My most important obligation
- is to protect
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- the American people
- from further harm.
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- And I will do that.
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- 00:09:16,854 --> 00:09:18,289
- Thank you all very much.
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- 00:09:20,657 --> 00:09:21,960
- (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING)
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- 00:09:27,098 --> 00:09:29,432
- - Love you.
- - Love you.
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- 00:09:29,434 --> 00:09:31,403
- Don't forget to check
- in at the station.
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- 00:09:32,636 --> 00:09:34,236
- What are you gonna do?
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- I don't know.
- Read a book. (GIGGLES)
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- I'll be back
- by 7:00 latest.
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- 00:09:42,814 --> 00:09:44,049
- (CAR ENGINE STARTS)
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- 00:09:54,793 --> 00:09:57,363
- - Mr. Gun. Signing in?
- - YASAR: Yes, thank you.
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- 00:09:57,795 --> 00:09:58,997
- (BELL BUZZES)
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- 00:10:02,534 --> 00:10:04,600
- OFFICER: When will you know
- if you can stay?
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- 00:10:04,602 --> 00:10:05,936
- They don't say.
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- 00:10:05,938 --> 00:10:07,504
- Could be weeks.
- Could be months.
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- 00:10:07,506 --> 00:10:09,505
- You never know with
- immigration, do you?
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- - I know.
- - Thank you.
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- 00:10:11,543 --> 00:10:13,178
- Hi, Jasmine, it's Kath.
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- 00:10:14,045 --> 00:10:16,312
- Uh, are you around today?
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- 00:10:16,314 --> 00:10:18,349
- I'd love to come and see you.
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- 00:10:23,921 --> 00:10:25,554
- - Kath.
- - KATHARINE: Hi.
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- 00:10:25,556 --> 00:10:27,325
- Oh, come here.
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- 00:10:29,026 --> 00:10:30,559
- KATHARINE: Hello.
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- Targeting who?
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- The UN Security Council.
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- Particularly
- the non-permanent members
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- 00:10:36,267 --> 00:10:38,335
- who could swing the vote
- in favor of war.
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- Jesus.
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- 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,940
- Maybe it's time
- to quit.
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- 00:10:43,942 --> 00:10:45,607
- You know, they say
- if you stay at GCHQ
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- 00:10:45,609 --> 00:10:48,277
- for more than five years,
- you never leave.
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- 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,046
- I've still got
- two to go then.
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- 00:10:50,048 --> 00:10:51,880
- So you've still
- got a conscience.
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- 00:10:51,882 --> 00:10:53,184
- (LAUGHS)
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- 00:10:54,184 --> 00:10:56,220
- Are you still organizing
- against the war?
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- 00:10:59,391 --> 00:11:02,158
- Does GCHQ have a problem
- with that?
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- 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,663
- - What? No.
- - Give me your phone.
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- 00:11:08,032 --> 00:11:10,832
- I've already
- taken the battery out.
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- 00:11:10,834 --> 00:11:14,073
- - I called you from a payphone.
- - Sorry.
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- 00:11:17,476 --> 00:11:18,577
- Go on.
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- 00:11:22,479 --> 00:11:23,748
- I just thought...
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- 00:11:26,516 --> 00:11:29,318
- ...if I could get you
- a copy of the memo,
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- 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,087
- then maybe you could get
- somebody to look it over.
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- 00:11:32,089 --> 00:11:33,355
- I don't know,
- a journalist,
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- 00:11:33,357 --> 00:11:35,325
- someone
- in the anti-war movement.
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- 00:11:35,327 --> 00:11:37,494
- Look, if the press think
- it's nothing, fine.
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- 00:11:37,496 --> 00:11:39,430
- At least
- my conscience is clear.
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- 00:11:40,531 --> 00:11:42,565
- Your conscience?
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- 00:11:42,567 --> 00:11:45,235
- Kat, you're asking me
- to collude in a breach
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- 00:11:45,237 --> 00:11:48,473
- of the Official Secrets Act.
- Some call that treason.
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- 00:11:50,242 --> 00:11:53,309
- I am not trying to overthrow
- my government.
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- 00:11:53,311 --> 00:11:57,447
- I just think if someone
- in the press saw it,
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- 00:11:57,449 --> 00:11:59,916
- they might ask more questions
- about what the Americans
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- 00:11:59,918 --> 00:12:01,754
- are asking
- this country to do.
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- 00:12:23,375 --> 00:12:26,109
- ANDY: Hey, Kat,
- they're sending me and Dan to London
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- to learn Farsi.
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- 00:12:27,945 --> 00:12:30,145
- Wow, Farsi. Congrats.
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- 00:12:30,147 --> 00:12:32,313
- - How many languages now?
- - Eight.
- 223
- 00:12:32,315 --> 00:12:33,917
- She's a freakin'
- super spy.
- 224
- 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:35,817
- FIONA: Andy, where's
- my Pyongyang report?
- 225
- 00:12:35,819 --> 00:12:38,122
- - Ah, one more hour.
- - FIONA: Yeah, just get it done.
- 226
- 00:12:38,957 --> 00:12:40,923
- - When do you leave?
- - Two weeks.
- 227
- 00:12:40,925 --> 00:12:42,627
- You'll have to
- come visit me.
- 228
- 00:13:14,159 --> 00:13:16,227
- (ZIP DRIVE WHIRRING)
- 229
- 00:13:21,232 --> 00:13:22,601
- (ZIP DRIVE BEEPING)
- 230
- 00:14:20,157 --> 00:14:21,659
- (PRINTER WHIRRING)
- 231
- 00:14:30,668 --> 00:14:32,735
- FIONA: Is that
- the Foreign Office report?
- 232
- 00:14:32,737 --> 00:14:34,504
- - Uh, it's a rough draft.
- - Well, finish it.
- 233
- 00:14:34,506 --> 00:14:36,139
- Defense section
- needs extra hands.
- 234
- 00:14:36,141 --> 00:14:38,073
- I said I'd send you
- over there this afternoon.
- 235
- 00:14:38,075 --> 00:14:39,277
- Okay, will do.
- 236
- 00:14:54,592 --> 00:14:56,958
- What we're giving you
- our facts and conclusions
- 237
- 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,762
- based on solid intelligence.
- 238
- 00:14:59,764 --> 00:15:03,633
- The issue before us
- is not how much time
- 239
- 00:15:03,635 --> 00:15:06,602
- we are willing to give
- the inspectors,
- 240
- 00:15:06,604 --> 00:15:10,005
- but how much longer
- are we willing to put up
- 241
- 00:15:10,007 --> 00:15:15,144
- with Iraq's non-compliance
- before we as a council,
- 242
- 00:15:15,146 --> 00:15:18,714
- we as United Nations
- say enough.
- 243
- 00:15:18,716 --> 00:15:19,785
- Enough.
- 244
- 00:15:20,751 --> 00:15:23,485
- We have first-hand
- descriptions
- 245
- 00:15:23,487 --> 00:15:27,856
- of biological weapons factories
- on wheels and on rails.
- 246
- 00:15:27,858 --> 00:15:30,759
- The trucks and train cars
- are easily moved
- 247
- 00:15:30,761 --> 00:15:34,364
- and are designed to evade
- detection by inspectors.
- 248
- 00:15:34,366 --> 00:15:36,466
- Although Iraq's
- mobile production program
- 249
- 00:15:36,468 --> 00:15:38,467
- began in mid-1990s,
- 250
- 00:15:38,469 --> 00:15:42,371
- UN inspectors at the time
- only had vague hints
- 251
- 00:15:42,373 --> 00:15:44,206
- of such programs.
- 252
- 00:15:44,208 --> 00:15:47,476
- Confirmation came later
- in the year 2000.
- 253
- 00:15:47,478 --> 00:15:50,145
- The source was an eyewitness.
- 254
- 00:15:50,147 --> 00:15:51,614
- - (DOOR OPENS)
- - An Iraqi chemical engineer
- 255
- 00:15:51,616 --> 00:15:53,883
- who supervised
- one of these facilities.
- 256
- 00:15:53,885 --> 00:15:54,886
- Hi.
- 257
- 00:15:55,853 --> 00:15:56,887
- Hi.
- 258
- 00:15:57,856 --> 00:16:00,823
- I'm gonna watch some football.
- Do you mind?
- 259
- 00:16:00,825 --> 00:16:01,826
- No. Go for it.
- 260
- 00:16:07,332 --> 00:16:09,333
- (CROWD CHEERING ON TV)
- 261
- 00:16:35,626 --> 00:16:36,862
- (GASPS)
- 262
- 00:16:54,746 --> 00:16:58,548
- REPORTER: From the north,
- the south, the east and the west,
- 263
- 00:16:58,550 --> 00:17:00,450
- from the left, the right
- 264
- 00:17:00,452 --> 00:17:02,751
- from the radical
- to the uncommitted
- 265
- 00:17:02,753 --> 00:17:04,052
- they came.
- 266
- 00:17:04,054 --> 00:17:05,721
- (CROWD WHISTLING
- AND SCREAMING)
- 267
- 00:17:05,723 --> 00:17:08,090
- Well, we can argue forever about
- the validity of opinion polls,
- 268
- 00:17:08,092 --> 00:17:10,459
- but what surely matters today
- 269
- 00:17:10,461 --> 00:17:13,028
- is that this proposed war
- by Britain
- 270
- 00:17:13,030 --> 00:17:15,798
- is historically unpopular
- 271
- 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,067
- and the mother of all
- focus groups has descended.
- 272
- 00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:20,970
- Hey, Martin.
- We're now doing some real reporting.
- 273
- 00:17:20,972 --> 00:17:23,506
- It's huge.
- Police are saying over 500,000.
- 274
- 00:17:23,508 --> 00:17:25,574
- Organizers are saying
- over two million.
- 275
- 00:17:25,576 --> 00:17:27,143
- So it will be
- a million then?
- 276
- 00:17:27,145 --> 00:17:28,844
- Well, it's everywhere.
- Every country.
- 277
- 00:17:28,846 --> 00:17:31,279
- Biggest demonstration
- in human history.
- 278
- 00:17:31,281 --> 00:17:33,883
- ED: Roger, I filed this story
- seven times.
- 279
- 00:17:33,885 --> 00:17:36,819
- And seven times I have told
- you I'm not going to print it.
- 280
- 00:17:36,821 --> 00:17:38,420
- Ed, this paper
- supports the war.
- 281
- 00:17:38,422 --> 00:17:40,022
- Our sources support
- the war, Kamal.
- 282
- 00:17:40,024 --> 00:17:42,525
- All I'm asking is that
- mine be given equal time.
- 283
- 00:17:42,527 --> 00:17:43,625
- - Fair enough.
- - Thank you.
- 284
- 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:44,794
- ROGER: Well,
- what do they say, Ed?
- 285
- 00:17:44,796 --> 00:17:46,695
- That intelligence
- is being manipulated
- 286
- 00:17:46,697 --> 00:17:49,199
- to support an invasion that
- Bush Junior's been pushing for
- 287
- 00:17:49,201 --> 00:17:51,700
- ever since Saddam tried
- to kill his daddy in '93.
- 288
- 00:17:51,702 --> 00:17:53,536
- Oh, come on,
- your source is retired.
- 289
- 00:17:53,538 --> 00:17:55,304
- My source is ex-CIA!
- 290
- 00:17:55,306 --> 00:17:56,771
- He talks to agents
- every day
- 291
- 00:17:56,773 --> 00:17:58,540
- and he's talking to me
- on the record!
- 292
- 00:17:58,542 --> 00:18:01,676
- Named source! Christ!
- 293
- 00:18:01,678 --> 00:18:03,779
- If you're gonna encourage
- a country to go to war,
- 294
- 00:18:03,781 --> 00:18:05,780
- perhaps you should spend some
- time on the front lines yourself!
- 295
- 00:18:05,782 --> 00:18:08,484
- - ROGER: That is a cheap shot, Ed.
- - ED: Is it?
- 296
- 00:18:08,486 --> 00:18:09,719
- We're the press,
- for God's sake,
- 297
- 00:18:09,721 --> 00:18:11,721
- not a fucking PR agency
- for Tony Blair.
- 298
- 00:18:11,723 --> 00:18:13,625
- - That's enough!
- - All right!
- 299
- 00:18:15,126 --> 00:18:16,659
- You, go back
- to the States.
- 300
- 00:18:16,661 --> 00:18:18,126
- I want you to find me
- something from a source
- 301
- 00:18:18,128 --> 00:18:19,728
- who hasn't already retired
- 302
- 00:18:19,730 --> 00:18:21,564
- and then maybe
- I'll rethink it.
- 303
- 00:18:21,566 --> 00:18:23,165
- You're doing a great job of it.
- We just need some more.
- 304
- 00:18:23,167 --> 00:18:25,969
- Yes, Peter.
- Fuck you very much.
- 305
- 00:18:25,971 --> 00:18:27,237
- And fewer words!
- 306
- 00:18:27,239 --> 00:18:30,105
- If I ask for 500,
- don't send me 3,000!
- 307
- 00:18:30,107 --> 00:18:32,974
- This paper needs to take
- its finger out of its arse
- 308
- 00:18:32,976 --> 00:18:35,577
- and stop taking
- Tony Blair's press releases
- 309
- 00:18:35,579 --> 00:18:37,146
- at face fucking value!
- 310
- 00:18:37,148 --> 00:18:39,013
- - MAN: Hear, hear.
- - WOMAN: Abso-fucking-lutely.
- 311
- 00:18:39,015 --> 00:18:40,851
- - Christ!
- - MAN: You're too bloody right.
- 312
- 00:18:44,288 --> 00:18:46,122
- Brighty,
- where's my piece
- 313
- 00:18:46,124 --> 00:18:48,958
- comparing Saddam to Milosevic?
- I need 400 words.
- 314
- 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,294
- Yeah. It's not really
- a 400-word topic, Rog.
- 315
- 00:18:51,296 --> 00:18:54,329
- Yeah, it is. We have a right
- to intervene in the Balkans.
- 316
- 00:18:54,331 --> 00:18:55,463
- We should do
- the same in Iraq.
- 317
- 00:18:55,465 --> 00:18:56,865
- Iraq's a little
- more complicated.
- 318
- 00:18:56,867 --> 00:18:59,501
- - You've got Suni and Shia...
- - Oh, fuck Sonny and Cher!
- 319
- 00:18:59,503 --> 00:19:01,837
- What is this?
- "I got you babe?"
- 320
- 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:04,306
- Just give me 400 words the
- average reader will understand.
- 321
- 00:19:04,308 --> 00:19:06,241
- Milosevic bad.
- Saddam bad.
- 322
- 00:19:06,243 --> 00:19:09,412
- Just write a fucking story.
- Stop overthinking it.
- 323
- 00:19:09,414 --> 00:19:10,615
- MAN: All right.
- 324
- 00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:16,884
- That was helpful.
- 325
- 00:19:16,886 --> 00:19:18,688
- Just write the piece
- as you see it, Martin,
- 326
- 00:19:18,690 --> 00:19:21,190
- and we'll cut it down later
- if we need to, all right?
- 327
- 00:19:21,192 --> 00:19:23,124
- Okay. Thank you, Peter.
- 328
- 00:19:23,126 --> 00:19:24,529
- (EXHALES)
- 329
- 00:19:27,197 --> 00:19:28,430
- Sonny and Cher.
- 330
- 00:19:28,432 --> 00:19:30,199
- (KEYBOARD CLACKING)
- 331
- 00:19:30,201 --> 00:19:31,500
- (PHONE RINGING)
- 332
- 00:19:31,502 --> 00:19:32,969
- Martin Bright.
- 333
- 00:19:32,971 --> 00:19:34,804
- YVONNE: (ON PHONE) I've got
- something you need to see.
- 334
- 00:19:34,806 --> 00:19:37,675
- It's big, Martin, really big.
- 335
- 00:19:39,409 --> 00:19:40,644
- MARTIN: Yvonne?
- 336
- 00:19:46,416 --> 00:19:47,482
- Yvonne?
- 337
- 00:19:47,484 --> 00:19:48,549
- (DOOR OPENS)
- 338
- 00:19:48,551 --> 00:19:49,753
- (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
- 339
- 00:19:53,191 --> 00:19:56,291
- Martin. So good to see you.
- 340
- 00:19:56,293 --> 00:19:58,426
- In an underground
- car park?
- 341
- 00:19:58,428 --> 00:20:01,230
- It's a little Deep Throat,
- don't you think?
- 342
- 00:20:01,232 --> 00:20:03,068
- - There's no signal down here.
- - Right.
- 343
- 00:20:05,636 --> 00:20:07,571
- Wait till you see this.
- 344
- 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:23,951
- - Who gave you this?
- - YVONNE: Can't say.
- 345
- 00:20:23,953 --> 00:20:25,421
- There's no info
- saying who sent it.
- 346
- 00:20:25,423 --> 00:20:27,125
- This could have been
- written by anyone.
- 347
- 00:20:28,658 --> 00:20:30,928
- - That's who wrote it.
- - Well.
- 348
- 00:20:32,128 --> 00:20:33,662
- Frank Koza.
- 349
- 00:20:33,664 --> 00:20:36,565
- - Who the fuck is Frank Koza?
- - NSA.
- 350
- 00:20:36,567 --> 00:20:38,867
- And this I know
- because the letters NSA
- 351
- 00:20:38,869 --> 00:20:41,970
- have been written on the back
- with a leaky ballpoint.
- 352
- 00:20:41,972 --> 00:20:43,939
- My source says
- the header wasn't printed
- 353
- 00:20:43,941 --> 00:20:46,678
- to protect the recipients
- at GCHQ.
- 354
- 00:20:48,646 --> 00:20:49,711
- When did you get it?
- 355
- 00:20:49,713 --> 00:20:51,114
- - Two weeks ago.
- - Two weeks?
- 356
- 00:20:51,116 --> 00:20:53,515
- I gave it to The Mirror first.
- Sorry.
- 357
- 00:20:53,517 --> 00:20:55,785
- Jesus. Why didn't
- they run it?
- 358
- 00:20:55,787 --> 00:20:58,020
- - They thought it was fake.
- - No shit.
- 359
- 00:20:58,022 --> 00:21:01,056
- - Is your source NSA?
- - No. A friend of the recipient.
- 360
- 00:21:01,058 --> 00:21:03,459
- - A good friend.
- - A friend of a friend?
- 361
- 00:21:03,461 --> 00:21:06,429
- A good friend
- of a trusted friend.
- 362
- 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:07,696
- I'm sure it's real.
- 363
- 00:21:07,698 --> 00:21:09,365
- Then why don't you
- write the story?
- 364
- 00:21:09,367 --> 00:21:10,932
- Oh, come on, Martin.
- 365
- 00:21:10,934 --> 00:21:13,905
- I'm anti-war.
- You're with The Observer.
- 366
- 00:21:14,704 --> 00:21:16,907
- Just check it out.
- 367
- 00:21:27,117 --> 00:21:29,154
- (LINE RINGING)
- 368
- 00:21:31,422 --> 00:21:33,655
- OPERATOR: (ON PHONE) NSA Press Office.
- How may I assist you?
- 369
- 00:21:33,657 --> 00:21:34,923
- Yes, hi, hello there.
- 370
- 00:21:34,925 --> 00:21:37,593
- This is Martin Bright
- from The Observer in London.
- 371
- 00:21:37,595 --> 00:21:39,362
- Um, I'd like to arrange
- an interview
- 372
- 00:21:39,364 --> 00:21:41,029
- with Mr. Frank Koza.
- 373
- 00:21:41,031 --> 00:21:43,532
- May I speak
- to his office, please?
- 374
- 00:21:43,534 --> 00:21:46,669
- - I'm sorry, Mr. Bright?
- - Martin Bright, yes.
- 375
- 00:21:46,671 --> 00:21:48,170
- Yes. Who did you wanna get?
- 376
- 00:21:48,172 --> 00:21:51,906
- Frank Koza, "Chief of Staff,
- Regional Targets."
- 377
- 00:21:51,908 --> 00:21:53,776
- Mr. Bright, I'm afraid
- we can't confirm
- 378
- 00:21:53,778 --> 00:21:55,911
- the names of people
- who work here.
- 379
- 00:21:55,913 --> 00:21:57,446
- Could you give me
- a little more detail
- 380
- 00:21:57,448 --> 00:21:59,080
- about the story
- you're working on?
- 381
- 00:21:59,082 --> 00:22:02,451
- Uh, well, no. That's something
- I need to talk to Mr. Koza
- 382
- 00:22:02,453 --> 00:22:03,855
- about directly, I'm afraid.
- 383
- 00:22:05,723 --> 00:22:08,557
- Well, then I'm afraid
- I'm not sure I can help you.
- 384
- 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:09,825
- When you have a little
- more detail
- 385
- 00:22:09,827 --> 00:22:12,394
- - please feel free to call back.
- - (LINE DISCONNECTS)
- 386
- 00:22:12,396 --> 00:22:13,665
- Yeah, well...
- 387
- 00:22:15,066 --> 00:22:16,598
- Hello?
- 388
- 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,402
- - You rang the NSA Press Office?
- - Yeah.
- 389
- 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:20,536
- They have a press office.
- 390
- 00:22:20,538 --> 00:22:21,971
- I thought that was
- a good place to start.
- 391
- 00:22:21,973 --> 00:22:23,205
- But you didn't
- tell them anything?
- 392
- 00:22:23,207 --> 00:22:25,607
- No, Peter.
- I just asked for Frank Koza.
- 393
- 00:22:25,609 --> 00:22:27,076
- Because if this is real,
- you could go to jail
- 394
- 00:22:27,078 --> 00:22:29,978
- just for having it
- in your possession.
- 395
- 00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:31,814
- MARTIN: I'm not letting this go.
- It's too good a story.
- 396
- 00:22:31,816 --> 00:22:33,215
- PETER: I agree,
- but if you get it wrong
- 397
- 00:22:33,217 --> 00:22:35,417
- it will sink you,
- it will sink the paper.
- 398
- 00:22:35,419 --> 00:22:37,586
- I'd like to get a credible
- intelligence expert
- 399
- 00:22:37,588 --> 00:22:39,321
- to offer a view
- on the language.
- 400
- 00:22:39,323 --> 00:22:41,289
- - Yeah.
- - And I thought you could run it by
- 401
- 00:22:41,291 --> 00:22:42,793
- your MI6 contact?
- 402
- 00:22:43,761 --> 00:22:45,761
- - I don't have a MI6 contact.
- - Sorry.
- 403
- 00:22:45,763 --> 00:22:47,831
- I meant your
- tennis club friend.
- 404
- 00:22:49,066 --> 00:22:49,964
- Sure.
- 405
- 00:22:49,966 --> 00:22:51,799
- I'll take it
- to Admiral Wilkinson.
- 406
- 00:22:51,801 --> 00:22:53,634
- Be careful.
- Before we risk
- 407
- 00:22:53,636 --> 00:22:55,470
- a D-notice
- against publication
- 408
- 00:22:55,472 --> 00:22:59,275
- I'd actually like confirmation
- that Frank Koza exists.
- 409
- 00:22:59,277 --> 00:23:00,742
- Do you think
- it's authentic?
- 410
- 00:23:00,744 --> 00:23:02,478
- Well, certainly
- the words he used,
- 411
- 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,180
- "TOPI," for example,
- 412
- 00:23:04,182 --> 00:23:05,981
- few outside
- of the security apparatus
- 413
- 00:23:05,983 --> 00:23:07,249
- would know
- what that means.
- 414
- 00:23:07,251 --> 00:23:08,384
- What does it mean?
- 415
- 00:23:08,386 --> 00:23:10,452
- Target of
- primary interest.
- 416
- 00:23:10,454 --> 00:23:13,922
- And this term,
- "QRC surge effort,"
- 417
- 00:23:13,924 --> 00:23:15,457
- that's NSA military speak
- 418
- 00:23:15,459 --> 00:23:19,228
- for significant intensification
- of surveillance operations.
- 419
- 00:23:19,230 --> 00:23:22,196
- And this, where they ask
- for "valuable information
- 420
- 00:23:22,198 --> 00:23:26,301
- "from accesses
- in your product lines..."
- 421
- 00:23:26,303 --> 00:23:29,438
- ...product lines
- are intelligence sources.
- 422
- 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,739
- So it's been
- written by someone
- 423
- 00:23:30,741 --> 00:23:32,374
- who's familiar
- with security speak
- 424
- 00:23:32,376 --> 00:23:34,409
- but that doesn't mean
- it's definitely NSA.
- 425
- 00:23:34,411 --> 00:23:36,979
- True, but there are no
- obvious amateur mistakes.
- 426
- 00:23:36,981 --> 00:23:39,751
- - Have you heard of Frank Koza?
- - No.
- 427
- 00:23:41,985 --> 00:23:45,453
- Paul, if we, if we wanted
- to confirm that he exists...
- 428
- 00:23:45,455 --> 00:23:47,789
- (CHUCKLES) Oh, sorry.
- I couldn't help you do that.
- 429
- 00:23:47,791 --> 00:23:49,090
- Yeah, but if we wanted
- to confirm that he...
- 430
- 00:23:49,092 --> 00:23:51,862
- Well, my own sources
- wouldn't ever trust me again.
- 431
- 00:23:52,797 --> 00:23:54,031
- Understood.
- 432
- 00:23:55,566 --> 00:23:56,665
- Understood.
- 433
- 00:23:56,667 --> 00:23:57,968
- (PHONE RINGS)
- 434
- 00:23:59,336 --> 00:24:01,903
- - What?
- - MARTIN: (ON PHONE) Ed, Martin Bright.
- 435
- 00:24:01,905 --> 00:24:04,173
- Martin, Christ,
- I just got back to DC.
- 436
- 00:24:04,175 --> 00:24:05,807
- Sorry, Peter and I
- have something urgent
- 437
- 00:24:05,809 --> 00:24:06,909
- that we'd like to run by you.
- 438
- 00:24:06,911 --> 00:24:08,943
- Are you on speaker?
- 439
- 00:24:08,945 --> 00:24:10,412
- We are now. Hey...
- 440
- 00:24:10,414 --> 00:24:13,414
- Peter, you need to tell Roger
- to publish what I'm filing.
- 441
- 00:24:13,416 --> 00:24:16,419
- This paper can't be seen
- to be supporting a war
- 442
- 00:24:16,421 --> 00:24:18,287
- that we should be doing
- everything in our power
- 443
- 00:24:18,289 --> 00:24:19,521
- to expose as a con.
- 444
- 00:24:19,523 --> 00:24:21,891
- A neocon.
- A giant fucking con!
- 445
- 00:24:21,893 --> 00:24:23,992
- Ed, that's why we're phoning.
- We need your help.
- 446
- 00:24:23,994 --> 00:24:26,429
- We have something
- that might corroborate
- 447
- 00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:28,266
- these things,
- you could say.
- 448
- 00:24:38,509 --> 00:24:40,107
- Hey. Sorry.
- 449
- 00:24:40,109 --> 00:24:41,477
- (LAUGHS)
- 450
- 00:24:41,479 --> 00:24:42,711
- - Do you wanna get lunch?
- - What?
- 451
- 00:24:42,713 --> 00:24:44,578
- Lunch. Eat.
- Now. Yes.
- 452
- 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:47,281
- Oh, no,
- I'm fine, thanks.
- 453
- 00:24:47,283 --> 00:24:49,551
- - Are you all right?
- - Yeah. Yeah. I'm good.
- 454
- 00:24:49,553 --> 00:24:51,053
- It, um...
- 455
- 00:24:51,055 --> 00:24:53,321
- This new BBC poll,
- it says that less than one in ten people
- 456
- 00:24:53,323 --> 00:24:57,026
- think it's right to attack
- Iraq without a UN resolution.
- 457
- 00:24:57,028 --> 00:24:59,862
- Which is why that memo was sent.
- They need to twist arms.
- 458
- 00:24:59,864 --> 00:25:01,329
- ANDY: I don't think
- it will make any difference.
- 459
- 00:25:01,331 --> 00:25:03,266
- Most of the world
- is against them.
- 460
- 00:25:04,299 --> 00:25:04,569
- You wanna eat, eat.
- 461
- 00:25:05,369 --> 00:25:06,804
- (LINE RINGING)
- 462
- 00:25:08,505 --> 00:25:11,307
- OPERATOR: (ON PHONE) National Security
- Agency. How may I direct your call?
- 463
- 00:25:11,309 --> 00:25:13,976
- Hello, I'm returning
- Frank Koza's call.
- 464
- 00:25:13,978 --> 00:25:15,477
- My secretary said
- it was urgent.
- 465
- 00:25:15,479 --> 00:25:17,613
- OPERATOR: I'm sorry.
- Who are you trying to reach?
- 466
- 00:25:17,615 --> 00:25:20,015
- Frank Koza.
- Mr. Frank Koza.
- 467
- 00:25:20,017 --> 00:25:21,749
- Sir, I'm sorry,
- there's no one
- 468
- 00:25:21,751 --> 00:25:23,919
- by that name
- in the directory, sir.
- 469
- 00:25:23,921 --> 00:25:27,355
- Oh, well, then that's odd.
- He called me.
- 470
- 00:25:27,357 --> 00:25:31,359
- I'm sorry, but I'll need
- an extension number.
- 471
- 00:25:31,361 --> 00:25:33,228
- Do you have
- an extension number?
- 472
- 00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:34,497
- Ah...
- 473
- 00:25:34,499 --> 00:25:36,365
- Nah.
- 474
- 00:25:36,367 --> 00:25:38,834
- Is there anything else
- I can do for you?
- 475
- 00:25:38,836 --> 00:25:40,736
- No. No.
- 476
- 00:25:40,738 --> 00:25:41,903
- Thank you. Thank you.
- 477
- 00:25:41,905 --> 00:25:43,438
- You have a nice day, sir.
- 478
- 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,442
- You too.
- 479
- 00:25:46,344 --> 00:25:47,375
- Fuck off.
- 480
- 00:25:47,377 --> 00:25:51,247
- PETER: So I read the weapons
- inspector's report.
- 481
- 00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:53,115
- JACQUELINE:
- Oh, congratulations.
- 482
- 00:25:53,117 --> 00:25:55,284
- That's more
- than most MP's ever done.
- 483
- 00:25:55,286 --> 00:25:58,185
- - Well, shit, that's depressing.
- - Mmm-hmm. It is.
- 484
- 00:25:58,187 --> 00:26:00,422
- Look, there are a few
- pre-98 chemical weapons
- 485
- 00:26:00,424 --> 00:26:02,391
- we have yet to be accounted
- for but inspectors said
- 486
- 00:26:02,393 --> 00:26:04,058
- they found absolutely
- no evidence
- 487
- 00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,394
- of an active chemical
- or biological program.
- 488
- 00:26:06,396 --> 00:26:07,462
- Correct.
- 489
- 00:26:07,464 --> 00:26:08,529
- And yet Colin Powell presented
- 490
- 00:26:08,531 --> 00:26:10,164
- clear evidence of mobile labs.
- 491
- 00:26:10,166 --> 00:26:13,602
- His evidence may be based
- on poor human intel
- 492
- 00:26:13,604 --> 00:26:15,237
- from an Iraqi dissident.
- 493
- 00:26:15,239 --> 00:26:16,105
- Really?
- 494
- 00:26:16,107 --> 00:26:17,205
- The dissident
- isn't our product
- 495
- 00:26:17,207 --> 00:26:19,076
- and should not be seen
- as our product.
- 496
- 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:22,213
- Whose product is he then?
- 497
- 00:26:24,248 --> 00:26:27,415
- Look, Peter,
- I didn't say this,
- 498
- 00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,951
- but there is concern
- in certain quarters
- 499
- 00:26:29,953 --> 00:26:33,122
- that intelligence
- may be being manipulated
- 500
- 00:26:33,124 --> 00:26:35,024
- to take this country to war.
- 501
- 00:26:35,026 --> 00:26:36,959
- So why don't you tell
- your journalists
- 502
- 00:26:36,961 --> 00:26:39,161
- to stop being so bloody loyal
- to Downing Street
- 503
- 00:26:39,163 --> 00:26:41,098
- and start doing their job?
- 504
- 00:26:42,867 --> 00:26:44,068
- Okay.
- 505
- 00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:50,705
- Okay, what if I had
- evidence that the NSA
- 506
- 00:26:50,707 --> 00:26:53,742
- requested GCHQ to help
- monitor private communications
- 507
- 00:26:53,744 --> 00:26:56,076
- of the UN Security Council
- delegates?
- 508
- 00:26:56,078 --> 00:26:57,880
- - To what end?
- - Bluntly?
- 509
- 00:26:57,882 --> 00:27:00,082
- To blackmail them
- into voting for war.
- 510
- 00:27:00,084 --> 00:27:01,717
- I'm not with GCHQ.
- 511
- 00:27:01,719 --> 00:27:03,551
- You're MI6,
- you're on the same team.
- 512
- 00:27:03,553 --> 00:27:04,618
- How did you
- hear about this?
- 513
- 00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:06,421
- A UN resolution for war
- 514
- 00:27:06,423 --> 00:27:08,891
- would cover everyone's arse,
- wouldn't it?
- 515
- 00:27:08,893 --> 00:27:11,792
- No more asking your team
- to sex up evidence of WMDs
- 516
- 00:27:11,794 --> 00:27:14,930
- or the back-dodgy claims that
- Britain was about to be attacked
- 517
- 00:27:14,932 --> 00:27:16,965
- by Iraq within 45 minutes.
- 518
- 00:27:16,967 --> 00:27:19,067
- And no chance of anyone
- being charged with a war crime
- 519
- 00:27:19,069 --> 00:27:21,004
- if it all goes tits up.
- 520
- 00:27:22,405 --> 00:27:23,838
- What are you
- asking me, Peter?
- 521
- 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,909
- I'm asking
- if you can confirm
- 522
- 00:27:26,911 --> 00:27:30,546
- whether the NSA
- instructed GCHQ
- 523
- 00:27:30,548 --> 00:27:33,617
- to assist in spying on
- Security Council delegates?
- 524
- 00:27:34,652 --> 00:27:37,318
- You know I can't
- answer that.
- 525
- 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,954
- To do so would put me in breach
- of the Official Secrets Act.
- 526
- 00:27:39,956 --> 00:27:42,459
- To deny it would not.
- 527
- 00:27:44,328 --> 00:27:48,266
- Well, I can neither confirm
- nor deny.
- 528
- 00:27:52,469 --> 00:27:53,471
- Okay.
- 529
- 00:27:54,672 --> 00:27:55,740
- Let's play.
- 530
- 00:27:56,941 --> 00:27:59,277
- - Change ends, idiot.
- - Yes.
- 531
- 00:28:01,044 --> 00:28:02,611
- Your serve.
- 532
- 00:28:02,613 --> 00:28:05,614
- ED: So the head of the CIA
- tells Bush it's a slam dunk
- 533
- 00:28:05,616 --> 00:28:08,782
- that Saddam has weapons
- of mass destruction.
- 534
- 00:28:08,784 --> 00:28:10,685
- - A slam dunk.
- - Yes.
- 535
- 00:28:10,687 --> 00:28:12,654
- - And that's not true?
- - No.
- 536
- 00:28:12,656 --> 00:28:15,289
- Meaning Saddam definitely
- does not have weapons
- 537
- 00:28:15,291 --> 00:28:17,459
- of mass destruction
- or he may not.
- 538
- 00:28:17,461 --> 00:28:21,028
- Meaning the intelligence
- is sketchy at best
- 539
- 00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:22,798
- and manufactured at worst.
- 540
- 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,999
- And Tenet knows that?
- 541
- 00:28:25,001 --> 00:28:27,702
- I've no doubt he knows that.
- 542
- 00:28:27,704 --> 00:28:29,871
- I was with
- the agency 24 years.
- 543
- 00:28:29,873 --> 00:28:33,541
- I can tell you, folks over there
- are really angry about this.
- 544
- 00:28:33,543 --> 00:28:35,277
- Why?
- 545
- 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:36,510
- Why?
- 546
- 00:28:36,512 --> 00:28:38,513
- Because the majority
- of the analysts do not believe
- 547
- 00:28:38,515 --> 00:28:41,618
- it's a slam dunk,
- but no one wants to hear that.
- 548
- 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:44,352
- Not even the press.
- 549
- 00:28:44,354 --> 00:28:47,088
- - Sorry, Mel.
- - I'm sorry.
- 550
- 00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:48,658
- I'm just mad as hell.
- 551
- 00:28:50,461 --> 00:28:51,993
- Listen, I wanted
- to talk to you today
- 552
- 00:28:51,995 --> 00:28:55,897
- because I think I might finally
- be onto something that...
- 553
- 00:28:55,899 --> 00:28:59,968
- ...that really support what
- you've been saying for months.
- 554
- 00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:02,440
- I need to talk to a man
- called Frank Koza.
- 555
- 00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:07,375
- He's NSA.
- 556
- 00:29:07,377 --> 00:29:09,280
- Head of Regional Targets.
- 557
- 00:29:11,749 --> 00:29:12,817
- You know him?
- 558
- 00:29:15,019 --> 00:29:17,085
- I'm sorry, Ed.
- 559
- 00:29:17,087 --> 00:29:19,589
- I can't give out
- that kind of information.
- 560
- 00:29:41,846 --> 00:29:43,412
- - What are you doing here?
- - I'm sorry.
- 561
- 00:29:43,414 --> 00:29:44,880
- - I didn't wanna call.
- - How long have you been here?
- 562
- 00:29:44,882 --> 00:29:46,548
- We're not supposed
- to be meeting.
- 563
- 00:29:46,550 --> 00:29:48,482
- I know, I've just...
- 564
- 00:29:48,484 --> 00:29:51,019
- I've been following the news
- and I haven't seen
- 565
- 00:29:51,021 --> 00:29:52,688
- or heard anything
- for three weeks.
- 566
- 00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:54,155
- Okay, well,
- I've given it to my contact
- 567
- 00:29:54,157 --> 00:29:55,857
- and apparently,
- she's having a very hard time
- 568
- 00:29:55,859 --> 00:29:58,463
- getting the papers to
- believe that it's not a fake.
- 569
- 00:30:00,430 --> 00:30:02,233
- Oh, uh...
- 570
- 00:30:02,966 --> 00:30:05,800
- Well, maybe that's okay.
- 571
- 00:30:05,802 --> 00:30:07,001
- You know, I...
- 572
- 00:30:07,003 --> 00:30:08,170
- Look, I mean,
- all of the polls said
- 573
- 00:30:08,172 --> 00:30:09,471
- everyone's against
- the war, anyway
- 574
- 00:30:09,473 --> 00:30:11,874
- and I, and I've
- just been thinking...
- 575
- 00:30:11,876 --> 00:30:15,109
- Look, I think
- that I acted too rashly
- 576
- 00:30:15,111 --> 00:30:16,444
- on impulse.
- I didn't think...
- 577
- 00:30:16,446 --> 00:30:18,113
- Jesus, Katharine,
- is it a fake?
- 578
- 00:30:18,115 --> 00:30:19,615
- Of course it's not a fake.
- It's real.
- 579
- 00:30:19,617 --> 00:30:21,083
- Well, then just go home!
- 580
- 00:30:21,085 --> 00:30:24,419
- Okay, don't talk about this
- to anyone, ever!
- 581
- 00:30:24,421 --> 00:30:25,490
- Just...
- 582
- 00:30:27,424 --> 00:30:30,261
- - Sorry.
- - It's out of our hands now.
- 583
- 00:30:32,128 --> 00:30:33,330
- Sorry.
- 584
- 00:30:35,299 --> 00:30:38,400
- The truth is,
- the whole document could be a fake.
- 585
- 00:30:38,402 --> 00:30:41,135
- But we're satisfied
- the language used is real.
- 586
- 00:30:41,137 --> 00:30:42,772
- - It's fascinating.
- - Yeah.
- 587
- 00:30:45,242 --> 00:30:47,942
- Is this document actually
- in your possession?
- 588
- 00:30:47,944 --> 00:30:50,211
- Well, if it were, I'd be in
- breach of the Official Secrets Act
- 589
- 00:30:50,213 --> 00:30:51,645
- wouldn't I?
- 590
- 00:30:51,647 --> 00:30:53,314
- (BOTH LAUGH)
- 591
- 00:30:53,316 --> 00:30:55,049
- So based on what might be
- in this document...
- 592
- 00:30:55,051 --> 00:30:56,652
- - That you don't have.
- - That I don't yet have.
- 593
- 00:30:56,654 --> 00:30:58,319
- But that you want
- to print in your paper.
- 594
- 00:30:58,321 --> 00:31:00,654
- If you don't issue a
- D-notice against publication.
- 595
- 00:31:00,656 --> 00:31:02,156
- Well, which I will
- most certainly do
- 596
- 00:31:02,158 --> 00:31:04,392
- if I think the publication
- might in any way
- 597
- 00:31:04,394 --> 00:31:06,294
- endanger the lives
- of British people
- 598
- 00:31:06,296 --> 00:31:08,096
- or British forces.
- 599
- 00:31:08,098 --> 00:31:09,897
- - Understood.
- - Good.
- 600
- 00:31:09,899 --> 00:31:11,700
- (CHUCKLES)
- 601
- 00:31:11,702 --> 00:31:12,703
- Go on.
- 602
- 00:31:14,003 --> 00:31:16,003
- Would you say
- it were likely real
- 603
- 00:31:16,005 --> 00:31:18,039
- or a forgery?
- 604
- 00:31:18,041 --> 00:31:20,241
- What do you think?
- 605
- 00:31:20,243 --> 00:31:22,176
- I think it could be a fake
- 606
- 00:31:22,178 --> 00:31:24,548
- put out
- by the anti-war movement...
- 607
- 00:31:25,682 --> 00:31:28,584
- ...or by a foreign agency
- to embarrass the US.
- 608
- 00:31:28,586 --> 00:31:31,720
- - Which agency?
- - The Russians.
- 609
- 00:31:31,722 --> 00:31:33,355
- I mean, the French
- oppose the war, too,
- 610
- 00:31:33,357 --> 00:31:34,823
- but I don't think
- they'd do this.
- 611
- 00:31:34,825 --> 00:31:37,491
- I think you might be
- overthinking it as usual, Martin.
- 612
- 00:31:37,493 --> 00:31:40,530
- - Meaning?
- - You tell me.
- 613
- 00:31:41,999 --> 00:31:44,868
- Well, meaning it could be
- exactly what it says it is.
- 614
- 00:31:48,205 --> 00:31:50,505
- You know, Martin,
- I believe that all information
- 615
- 00:31:50,507 --> 00:31:53,978
- collected in the name of the
- public should be made public.
- 616
- 00:31:55,412 --> 00:31:58,113
- The only question is, when.
- 617
- 00:31:58,115 --> 00:32:02,151
- But in this case,
- I don't have the luxury of time, Admiral.
- 618
- 00:32:02,153 --> 00:32:04,555
- Powell just made
- a very strong case for war.
- 619
- 00:32:05,255 --> 00:32:06,656
- Yes, I see.
- 620
- 00:32:10,828 --> 00:32:13,561
- I have also always believed
- 621
- 00:32:13,563 --> 00:32:16,431
- that censorship
- when called for
- 622
- 00:32:16,433 --> 00:32:20,605
- should be based
- on security issues alone...
- 623
- 00:32:22,239 --> 00:32:23,570
- ...not on whether
- a news report
- 624
- 00:32:23,572 --> 00:32:25,508
- might embarrass
- a government.
- 625
- 00:32:30,146 --> 00:32:31,348
- Thank you, Admiral.
- 626
- 00:32:32,649 --> 00:32:35,584
- EDIE: (ON SPEAKER) Ed,
- it's Edie from the London office.
- 627
- 00:32:35,586 --> 00:32:37,352
- I got a weird message for you
- 628
- 00:32:37,354 --> 00:32:39,121
- from someone
- who wouldn't give his name.
- 629
- 00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,691
- He said you should call
- extension 6727.
- 630
- 00:32:42,693 --> 00:32:45,759
- Makes no sense to me,
- but maybe to you.
- 631
- 00:32:45,761 --> 00:32:48,529
- 6727. Good luck.
- 632
- 00:32:48,531 --> 00:32:49,931
- - 6727.
- - Bye-bye.
- 633
- 00:32:49,933 --> 00:32:53,971
- 6727. 6727. 6727.
- 634
- 00:32:55,271 --> 00:32:56,807
- (BUTTONS BEEPING)
- 635
- 00:32:59,876 --> 00:33:01,309
- 6727.
- 636
- 00:33:01,311 --> 00:33:04,413
- (LINE RINGING)
- 637
- 00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:06,614
- OPERATOR: NSA.
- How may I direct your call?
- 638
- 00:33:06,616 --> 00:33:10,285
- Hello.
- Extension 6727, please.
- 639
- 00:33:10,287 --> 00:33:12,086
- 6727?
- 640
- 00:33:12,088 --> 00:33:14,021
- 6727, yes.
- 641
- 00:33:14,023 --> 00:33:15,025
- One moment.
- 642
- 00:33:17,293 --> 00:33:18,695
- SECRETARY:
- Frank Koza's office.
- 643
- 00:33:20,496 --> 00:33:22,931
- Hello, may I speak
- to Mr. Frank Koza, please?
- 644
- 00:33:22,933 --> 00:33:23,798
- Who shall I say is calling?
- 645
- 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,334
- I can't say.
- Just put me through.
- 646
- 00:33:26,336 --> 00:33:27,538
- Yes, sir.
- 647
- 00:33:29,706 --> 00:33:30,840
- KOZA: Hello?
- 648
- 00:33:32,509 --> 00:33:35,243
- Mr. Koza? Mr. Frank Koza?
- 649
- 00:33:35,245 --> 00:33:37,612
- Yes. Who's calling?
- 650
- 00:33:37,614 --> 00:33:39,647
- Mr. Koza,
- my name is Ed Vulliamy.
- 651
- 00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:42,451
- I work for The Observer
- newspaper in London.
- 652
- 00:33:42,453 --> 00:33:45,990
- I wanted to ask you about
- a memo you sent to GCHQ.
- 653
- 00:33:49,925 --> 00:33:51,095
- Mr. Koza?
- 654
- 00:33:52,928 --> 00:33:55,029
- (LINE DISCONNECTS)
- 655
- 00:33:55,031 --> 00:33:58,400
- - Do you think this is real?
- - ED: (ON PHONE) Yes, they put me through.
- 656
- 00:33:58,402 --> 00:34:00,001
- - To Frank Koza?
- - Yes.
- 657
- 00:34:00,003 --> 00:34:02,104
- And you spoke to him
- directly, right, Ed?
- 658
- 00:34:02,106 --> 00:34:04,838
- Well, we didn't exactly
- have a conversation.
- 659
- 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,241
- Did you speak to him or not?
- Yes or no, Ed? Jesus.
- 660
- 00:34:07,243 --> 00:34:08,442
- Yes, but he cut me off
- 661
- 00:34:08,444 --> 00:34:09,810
- when I said I worked
- for The Observer.
- 662
- 00:34:09,812 --> 00:34:12,814
- But you're sure that he
- exists, right, Ed?
- 663
- 00:34:12,816 --> 00:34:14,082
- Hell yes, I'm sure!
- 664
- 00:34:14,084 --> 00:34:17,319
- I said, "Mr. Koza?"
- He said, "Yes, who's calling?"
- 665
- 00:34:17,321 --> 00:34:18,852
- All right. Thank you, Ed.
- 666
- 00:34:18,854 --> 00:34:21,223
- Try not to fuck
- this one up, Roger.
- 667
- 00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:23,091
- - Fuck off.
- - You're welcome, anytime.
- 668
- 00:34:23,093 --> 00:34:24,095
- (CHUCKLES)
- 669
- 00:34:25,095 --> 00:34:27,696
- - KAMAL: Hitler Diaries.
- - What?
- 670
- 00:34:27,698 --> 00:34:30,098
- I'm just saying it smells of a
- forgery like the Hitler Diaries
- 671
- 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,167
- and, of course,
- publishing those cost people their jobs.
- 672
- 00:34:32,169 --> 00:34:33,634
- Which is precisely
- why we're doing
- 673
- 00:34:33,636 --> 00:34:36,203
- rigorous checking
- on this, Kamal.
- 674
- 00:34:36,205 --> 00:34:38,339
- - Who brought you this?
- - Friend.
- 675
- 00:34:38,341 --> 00:34:40,341
- - Someone from GCHQ?
- - No.
- 676
- 00:34:40,343 --> 00:34:41,811
- Then who?
- 677
- 00:34:44,747 --> 00:34:47,549
- - Yvonne Ridley.
- - ROGER: Yvonne fucking Ridley!
- 678
- 00:34:47,551 --> 00:34:49,651
- The woman who fell off
- a donkey in Afghanistan
- 679
- 00:34:49,653 --> 00:34:51,319
- at some Taliban checkpoint!
- 680
- 00:34:51,321 --> 00:34:53,120
- Her arse over a tit
- with a camera up her burka
- 681
- 00:34:53,122 --> 00:34:54,388
- and then she
- converted to Islam
- 682
- 00:34:54,390 --> 00:34:55,823
- after she was released
- by her kidnapper.
- 683
- 00:34:55,825 --> 00:34:57,459
- None of which means
- she's not right!
- 684
- 00:34:57,461 --> 00:34:58,660
- She's anti-war!
- 685
- 00:34:58,662 --> 00:35:01,162
- She probably typed
- the fucking thing herself.
- 686
- 00:35:01,164 --> 00:35:03,665
- JAN: Martin, you realize the
- legal risks we'll be taking?
- 687
- 00:35:03,667 --> 00:35:04,799
- Yes.
- 688
- 00:35:04,801 --> 00:35:05,966
- JAN: The last time we
- published anything like this
- 689
- 00:35:05,968 --> 00:35:07,669
- you and Roger
- almost went to prison.
- 690
- 00:35:07,671 --> 00:35:09,238
- Jan, the last time
- our source claimed
- 691
- 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,973
- MI6 had funded an attempted
- assassination on Gaddafi.
- 692
- 00:35:11,975 --> 00:35:13,642
- This document
- doesn't accuse anyone
- 693
- 00:35:13,644 --> 00:35:15,576
- of doing anything
- remotely like that.
- 694
- 00:35:15,578 --> 00:35:19,046
- No, it merely suggests
- that the US government,
- 695
- 00:35:19,048 --> 00:35:22,616
- with the help of Great Britain,
- might try to twist arms
- 696
- 00:35:22,618 --> 00:35:25,653
- and threaten UN delegates
- into voting for a war in Iraq.
- 697
- 00:35:25,655 --> 00:35:27,792
- It's a hell
- of a story.
- 698
- 00:35:31,995 --> 00:35:33,627
- Look, we know Koza exists.
- 699
- 00:35:33,629 --> 00:35:35,830
- Beaver says the language
- used is authentic.
- 700
- 00:35:35,832 --> 00:35:37,633
- And Wilkinson says
- that while publication
- 701
- 00:35:37,635 --> 00:35:38,901
- may embarrass
- both governments,
- 702
- 00:35:38,903 --> 00:35:40,701
- he doesn't believe
- that it poses a security risk
- 703
- 00:35:40,703 --> 00:35:42,803
- to the British people
- or the armed forces.
- 704
- 00:35:42,805 --> 00:35:44,138
- Ironically,
- publication may actually
- 705
- 00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:46,107
- prevent a war
- and save lives.
- 706
- 00:35:46,109 --> 00:35:48,176
- - Well.
- - MI6?
- 707
- 00:35:48,178 --> 00:35:51,581
- - Would not confirm but did not deny.
- - (SCOFFS)
- 708
- 00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:54,915
- Jan, where are we legally?
- 709
- 00:35:54,917 --> 00:35:56,817
- Wilkinson may not issue
- a D-Notice
- 710
- 00:35:56,819 --> 00:35:59,220
- but that doesn't stop Special
- Branch from coming after us.
- 711
- 00:35:59,222 --> 00:36:02,423
- - Thank you.
- - Legally, we have a top secret document
- 712
- 00:36:02,425 --> 00:36:03,693
- in our possession.
- 713
- 00:36:07,129 --> 00:36:09,430
- Look, Rog, don't forget
- 714
- 00:36:09,432 --> 00:36:11,098
- we're getting
- detailed information
- 715
- 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,868
- directly
- from Blair's office.
- 716
- 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:14,701
- - Fuck off.
- - Well, he's right.
- 717
- 00:36:14,703 --> 00:36:17,339
- Printing this kind of story
- would kill that relationship.
- 718
- 00:36:17,341 --> 00:36:19,975
- Since when did this paper
- prioritize political access
- 719
- 00:36:19,977 --> 00:36:21,977
- over its own
- investigative reporting?
- 720
- 00:36:21,979 --> 00:36:24,546
- - PETER: Yes.
- - We have taken a position on this, guys!
- 721
- 00:36:24,548 --> 00:36:26,183
- We support the war.
- 722
- 00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:30,488
- Yes. We do.
- 723
- 00:36:31,955 --> 00:36:33,120
- Fuck.
- 724
- 00:36:33,122 --> 00:36:35,059
- ROGER: But Peter's right.
- 725
- 00:36:35,825 --> 00:36:37,995
- This is a fucking good story.
- 726
- 00:36:48,972 --> 00:36:50,207
- Thank you, Roger.
- (CLEARS THROAT)
- 727
- 00:36:52,242 --> 00:36:53,510
- (DOOR CLOSES)
- 728
- 00:36:54,077 --> 00:36:55,111
- Here we go.
- 729
- 00:37:07,323 --> 00:37:08,957
- Wait, I'll come with you.
- 730
- 00:37:08,959 --> 00:37:10,390
- I'm just going to go
- get some milk.
- 731
- 00:37:10,392 --> 00:37:11,892
- Go back to bed.
- I'll bring you a coffee.
- 732
- 00:37:11,894 --> 00:37:12,929
- Okay.
- 733
- 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,043
- - Hi.
- - Morning.
- 734
- 00:37:43,993 --> 00:37:45,095
- Hey.
- 735
- 00:37:52,669 --> 00:37:54,138
- What's the matter, janum?
- 736
- 00:37:57,807 --> 00:37:59,506
- (KATHARINE RETCHES)
- 737
- 00:37:59,508 --> 00:38:00,711
- What's going on?
- 738
- 00:38:08,651 --> 00:38:10,484
- - Bravo, Martin.
- - MAN: Ah, there he is.
- 739
- 00:38:10,486 --> 00:38:11,886
- Well done.
- 740
- 00:38:11,888 --> 00:38:13,788
- (CHEERING)
- 741
- 00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:16,625
- - WOMAN: Here he is!
- - MAN: Nice one, Martin.
- 742
- 00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:18,762
- (INDISTINCT CHATTER)
- 743
- 00:38:23,033 --> 00:38:26,767
- ROGER:
- Brighty, congratulations.
- 744
- 00:38:26,769 --> 00:38:28,270
- Bloody brilliant.
- 745
- 00:38:28,272 --> 00:38:30,203
- - Thank you.
- - What have you got for me next?
- 746
- 00:38:30,205 --> 00:38:32,240
- PETER: Every major
- European paper is citing us
- 747
- 00:38:32,242 --> 00:38:34,810
- and we've had calls
- in from CNN, NBC, and Fox.
- 748
- 00:38:34,812 --> 00:38:36,544
- They all want to interview you
- for their morning shows
- 749
- 00:38:36,546 --> 00:38:37,946
- when they wake up in the US.
- 750
- 00:38:37,948 --> 00:38:39,145
- Any response
- from Downing Street?
- 751
- 00:38:39,147 --> 00:38:41,885
- We got a call in,
- but they're scrambling.
- 752
- 00:38:45,689 --> 00:38:46,957
- Martin, line 2.
- 753
- 00:38:48,524 --> 00:38:49,792
- Martin Bright.
- 754
- 00:38:51,227 --> 00:38:53,262
- Thank you. Thank you.
- 755
- 00:38:54,062 --> 00:38:55,330
- No.
- 756
- 00:38:55,332 --> 00:38:57,701
- Uh, no, the person who leaked
- it hasn't been identified.
- 757
- 00:39:00,502 --> 00:39:02,569
- YASAR: Why'd you do it?
- 758
- 00:39:02,571 --> 00:39:04,205
- I just thought
- that they'd investigate.
- 759
- 00:39:04,207 --> 00:39:06,240
- I never expected them
- to print the whole memo.
- 760
- 00:39:06,242 --> 00:39:07,542
- Why didn't you tell me?
- 761
- 00:39:07,544 --> 00:39:10,147
- Sorry, I didn't,
- I didn't, I...
- 762
- 00:39:11,147 --> 00:39:12,747
- I thought that you would try
- and talk me out of it
- 763
- 00:39:12,749 --> 00:39:13,814
- and I didn't want you to.
- 764
- 00:39:13,816 --> 00:39:15,482
- - My God, janum.
- - I'm so sorry.
- 765
- 00:39:15,484 --> 00:39:16,854
- They don't
- mention your name?
- 766
- 00:39:18,754 --> 00:39:22,126
- - I haven't told anyone.
- - Good. That's good.
- 767
- 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,830
- That's very kind.
- All right, thank you.
- 768
- 00:39:28,397 --> 00:39:31,466
- Why don't you get in touch
- with your friend Tony, Kamal?
- 769
- 00:39:31,468 --> 00:39:34,069
- - Ask him if he has an opinion.
- - That's not funny, Rog.
- 770
- 00:39:34,071 --> 00:39:35,069
- - Martin?
- - Yes?
- 771
- 00:39:35,071 --> 00:39:37,305
- NBC just canceled
- your interview.
- 772
- 00:39:37,307 --> 00:39:38,375
- What?
- 773
- 00:39:39,843 --> 00:39:42,642
- NBC no longer wished
- to interview Martin.
- 774
- 00:39:42,644 --> 00:39:44,979
- Did they say why?
- 775
- 00:39:44,981 --> 00:39:46,647
- They just said sorry,
- but they didn't think
- 776
- 00:39:46,649 --> 00:39:48,281
- they could
- fit you in anymore.
- 777
- 00:39:48,283 --> 00:39:49,417
- Really?
- 778
- 00:39:49,419 --> 00:39:52,654
- Brighty, reporter
- from Santiago.
- 779
- 00:39:52,656 --> 00:39:54,692
- Thank you. Martin Bright.
- 780
- 00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:57,825
- MARTIN: Ah, uh. No.
- 781
- 00:39:57,827 --> 00:39:59,528
- At this stage,
- we have no idea what information
- 782
- 00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:01,263
- was gathered from Chile
- or any of the other countries.
- 783
- 00:40:01,265 --> 00:40:02,529
- - Peter.
- - Yeah?
- 784
- 00:40:02,531 --> 00:40:04,732
- Fox says that
- they have to cancel.
- 785
- 00:40:04,734 --> 00:40:05,933
- What? Why?
- 786
- 00:40:05,935 --> 00:40:08,602
- Uh, yeah, Mexico
- is furious too.
- 787
- 00:40:08,604 --> 00:40:09,937
- Okay.
- Thank you.
- 788
- 00:40:09,939 --> 00:40:11,404
- - Martin?
- - Yes?
- 789
- 00:40:11,406 --> 00:40:13,142
- I've got a producer
- from CNN.
- 790
- 00:40:15,446 --> 00:40:16,447
- Martin Bright.
- 791
- 00:40:19,249 --> 00:40:20,250
- I see.
- 792
- 00:40:22,084 --> 00:40:24,454
- No. No, no. No, no.
- That's all right.
- 793
- 00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:26,720
- Ah...
- 794
- 00:40:26,722 --> 00:40:28,024
- May I ask why?
- 795
- 00:40:29,658 --> 00:40:31,828
- Yes, I stand by it.
- Of course I stand by it.
- 796
- 00:40:32,729 --> 00:40:34,064
- The Drudge Report?
- 797
- 00:40:37,434 --> 00:40:38,435
- Yeah.
- 798
- 00:40:39,401 --> 00:40:41,069
- All right, okay.
- 799
- 00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:43,470
- ROGER:
- What the fuck is going on?
- 800
- 00:40:43,472 --> 00:40:46,209
- (KEYBOARD CLACKING)
- 801
- 00:41:00,122 --> 00:41:01,221
- It's fake.
- 802
- 00:41:01,223 --> 00:41:03,057
- We've printed
- a fake fucking memo
- 803
- 00:41:03,059 --> 00:41:05,261
- from Yvonne
- fucking Ridley!
- 804
- 00:41:09,798 --> 00:41:13,634
- Oh, you fucking idiot.
- There. You see it?
- 805
- 00:41:13,636 --> 00:41:15,303
- Because the Americans did.
- 806
- 00:41:15,305 --> 00:41:18,205
- Favourable. F-A-V-O-U-R.
- 807
- 00:41:18,207 --> 00:41:23,111
- Some English cunt has tried
- to fake an American NSA memo
- 808
- 00:41:23,113 --> 00:41:25,580
- and you fucking schmucks
- fell for it.
- 809
- 00:41:25,582 --> 00:41:27,818
- Wait. Martin,
- where's the original?
- 810
- 00:41:28,818 --> 00:41:29,884
- Where's the original document?
- 811
- 00:41:29,886 --> 00:41:31,187
- ROGER: Jesus.
- 812
- 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,464
- - American spelling.
- - ROGER: What?
- 813
- 00:41:44,466 --> 00:41:46,235
- MARTIN: The original
- has American spelling.
- 814
- 00:41:48,271 --> 00:41:50,537
- And this is
- what I filed, see?
- 815
- 00:41:50,539 --> 00:41:52,173
- Favorable. O-R.
- 816
- 00:41:52,175 --> 00:41:53,908
- Just like the original.
- Not O-U-R.
- 817
- 00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:56,914
- And recognize with a Z,
- not an S.
- 818
- 00:42:01,484 --> 00:42:03,319
- Who changed what I wrote?
- 819
- 00:42:06,756 --> 00:42:08,055
- Who...
- 820
- 00:42:08,057 --> 00:42:09,189
- Who changed
- what I fucking wrote?
- 821
- 00:42:09,191 --> 00:42:11,360
- ROGER: Come on, speak up!
- Who did this?
- 822
- 00:42:24,539 --> 00:42:26,309
- Nicole,
- what did you do?
- 823
- 00:42:28,276 --> 00:42:29,512
- I, um...
- 824
- 00:42:31,546 --> 00:42:33,316
- I ran it through spell check.
- 825
- 00:42:37,754 --> 00:42:40,057
- - Spell check?
- - Jesus.
- 826
- 00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:43,890
- That's what I always do.
- I'm so sorry.
- 827
- 00:42:43,892 --> 00:42:45,660
- Do not cry, Nicole.
- 828
- 00:42:45,662 --> 00:42:48,131
- Do not fucking cry.
- 829
- 00:42:53,135 --> 00:42:54,935
- Okay, well, we know
- that it's not fake.
- 830
- 00:42:54,937 --> 00:42:57,805
- We go online, we explain what
- happened, we call all of the networks.
- 831
- 00:42:57,807 --> 00:42:59,173
- Stop it, Martin.
- 832
- 00:42:59,175 --> 00:43:01,843
- Fuck, Rog, it was
- an honest mistake.
- 833
- 00:43:01,845 --> 00:43:04,011
- Don't be so naive.
- 834
- 00:43:04,013 --> 00:43:07,247
- You're an American editor.
- What story do you put out now?
- 835
- 00:43:07,249 --> 00:43:10,319
- That The Observer is
- doubling down on a fake memo?
- 836
- 00:43:11,287 --> 00:43:13,053
- Or that the staff
- of this newspaper
- 837
- 00:43:13,055 --> 00:43:16,492
- are really so
- colossally stupid!
- 838
- 00:43:20,796 --> 00:43:22,331
- (NICOLE SOBBING)
- 839
- 00:43:29,972 --> 00:43:33,042
- It's all right.
- Would you like a cup of tea?
- 840
- 00:43:53,763 --> 00:43:55,663
- FIONA:
- Someone in this building
- 841
- 00:43:55,665 --> 00:44:00,133
- has betrayed their government
- and their country.
- 842
- 00:44:00,135 --> 00:44:03,037
- Now I'm sure it wasn't
- anyone in this division,
- 843
- 00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,638
- but starting today,
- 844
- 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,908
- Internal Security will be
- conducting interviews
- 845
- 00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:10,712
- with each
- and every one of you.
- 846
- 00:44:10,714 --> 00:44:14,214
- If you know anything
- or suspect anyone,
- 847
- 00:44:14,216 --> 00:44:17,917
- it is your sworn duty
- to speak up.
- 848
- 00:44:17,919 --> 00:44:20,388
- If you do not
- and you are found to have
- 849
- 00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:22,790
- withheld information
- of any kind,
- 850
- 00:44:22,792 --> 00:44:25,292
- you will be charged
- with a breach
- 851
- 00:44:25,294 --> 00:44:28,197
- of the Official Secrets Act.
- 852
- 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,537
- (HEAVY BREATHING)
- 853
- 00:45:16,446 --> 00:45:19,580
- You should see the file
- that tosser's got on me.
- 854
- 00:45:19,582 --> 00:45:21,417
- - What did he ask you?
- - FIONA: Katharine!
- 855
- 00:45:32,095 --> 00:45:33,629
- Come in, Katharine.
- 856
- 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,966
- - Katharine Gun?
- - Yes?
- 857
- 00:45:39,968 --> 00:45:42,671
- I'm John from
- Internal Security. Please.
- 858
- 00:45:50,046 --> 00:45:51,281
- (EXHALES)
- 859
- 00:45:56,019 --> 00:45:58,055
- Mandarin translator.
- 860
- 00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:01,656
- GCHQ for two years.
- 861
- 00:46:01,658 --> 00:46:04,024
- - Yes.
- - And before that?
- 862
- 00:46:04,026 --> 00:46:06,259
- I taught English
- to Japanese students.
- 863
- 00:46:06,261 --> 00:46:08,231
- - Hiroshima, right?
- - Yes.
- 864
- 00:46:09,097 --> 00:46:10,897
- Interesting.
- 865
- 00:46:10,899 --> 00:46:13,868
- Did you visit the memorial?
- 866
- 00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:15,035
- The peace memorial?
- 867
- 00:46:15,037 --> 00:46:17,274
- To the people
- killed by the atomic bomb?
- 868
- 00:46:19,042 --> 00:46:20,808
- Yes, actually, I did.
- 869
- 00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:21,845
- It's, uh...
- 870
- 00:46:23,412 --> 00:46:24,745
- It's something
- you really have to see.
- 871
- 00:46:24,747 --> 00:46:26,149
- It's very moving.
- 872
- 00:46:28,450 --> 00:46:31,718
- Compels one to think
- about the consequences of war,
- 873
- 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,888
- doesn't it?
- 874
- 00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:37,424
- - Yes, I suppose it does.
- - Are you anti-war, Katharine?
- 875
- 00:46:37,426 --> 00:46:38,558
- No.
- 876
- 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,765
- Uh, I think
- sometimes war is necessary.
- 877
- 00:46:46,903 --> 00:46:49,002
- I see you lived in Taiwan
- as a child?
- 878
- 00:46:49,004 --> 00:46:51,205
- - Yes.
- - How long did you live there?
- 879
- 00:46:51,207 --> 00:46:53,040
- We moved over
- when I was three.
- 880
- 00:46:53,042 --> 00:46:55,308
- I came back
- to do my A-levels.
- 881
- 00:46:55,310 --> 00:46:56,678
- So for most
- of your childhood then?
- 882
- 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,681
- Yes.
- 883
- 00:46:59,115 --> 00:47:00,781
- You had
- a religious upbringing?
- 884
- 00:47:00,783 --> 00:47:02,015
- No, not particularly.
- 885
- 00:47:02,017 --> 00:47:03,149
- But were you sent away
- 886
- 00:47:03,151 --> 00:47:05,386
- to a Christian missionary
- school in Taiwan?
- 887
- 00:47:05,388 --> 00:47:06,419
- Yes.
- 888
- 00:47:06,421 --> 00:47:08,388
- Gave you a clear sense
- of right and wrong, did it,
- 889
- 00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:09,624
- being in a mission school?
- 890
- 00:47:09,626 --> 00:47:10,991
- I think my parents
- gave me that.
- 891
- 00:47:10,993 --> 00:47:12,125
- (CHUCKLES)
- 892
- 00:47:12,127 --> 00:47:13,463
- Did you leak
- the Koza e-mail?
- 893
- 00:47:14,698 --> 00:47:15,997
- - No.
- - No?
- 894
- 00:47:15,999 --> 00:47:17,200
- No.
- 895
- 00:47:19,234 --> 00:47:20,700
- - But you read it?
- - Yes.
- 896
- 00:47:20,702 --> 00:47:23,270
- I mean, it was sent to me,
- so I read it.
- 897
- 00:47:23,272 --> 00:47:25,908
- What were your immediate
- thoughts after you read it?
- 898
- 00:47:27,142 --> 00:47:28,709
- Nothing much.
- It didn't really bother me.
- 899
- 00:47:28,711 --> 00:47:30,847
- - It didn't?
- - No.
- 900
- 00:47:33,249 --> 00:47:35,651
- Who do you think
- might have leaked it?
- 901
- 00:47:39,821 --> 00:47:42,122
- - I have no idea.
- - No?
- 902
- 00:47:42,124 --> 00:47:44,024
- - No.
- - No?
- 903
- 00:47:44,026 --> 00:47:45,227
- No.
- 904
- 00:47:47,863 --> 00:47:49,598
- Thank you, Mrs. Gun.
- 905
- 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:52,468
- That's all for now.
- 906
- 00:47:58,908 --> 00:48:00,874
- Eat a little.
- 907
- 00:48:00,876 --> 00:48:01,877
- Please.
- 908
- 00:48:04,546 --> 00:48:07,716
- They're bringing everyone in.
- One by one.
- 909
- 00:48:11,321 --> 00:48:12,756
- You haven't said anything?
- 910
- 00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:15,858
- Okay. Just eat a little.
- 911
- 00:48:19,461 --> 00:48:21,463
- Everything
- will be all right.
- 912
- 00:48:26,001 --> 00:48:27,203
- Eat.
- 913
- 00:48:35,144 --> 00:48:37,211
- Hi, Fiona, it's Katharine.
- 914
- 00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:38,779
- Um...
- 915
- 00:48:38,781 --> 00:48:39,879
- I'm so sorry
- 916
- 00:48:39,881 --> 00:48:42,450
- but I don't think I'm gonna
- be able to come in today.
- 917
- 00:48:42,452 --> 00:48:45,354
- Yeah, I think
- I've caught a tummy bug.
- 918
- 00:48:47,156 --> 00:48:48,358
- Yeah.
- 919
- 00:48:49,658 --> 00:48:51,158
- Thank you.
- 920
- 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,394
- Thank you so much.
- 921
- 00:48:53,396 --> 00:48:54,964
- What'd she say?
- 922
- 00:48:56,066 --> 00:48:57,765
- She said
- I should get some rest.
- 923
- 00:48:57,767 --> 00:48:59,265
- Good.
- 924
- 00:48:59,267 --> 00:49:01,370
- - She was nice.
- - That's good.
- 925
- 00:49:03,807 --> 00:49:04,874
- Try and sleep.
- 926
- 00:49:08,077 --> 00:49:09,845
- Sorry, I have to go.
- 927
- 00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:25,158
- REPORTER: ...ask you about a
- report in The Observer newspaper
- 928
- 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,160
- in London, a memo
- 929
- 00:49:27,162 --> 00:49:30,698
- reported to be from a man
- who actually works at the NSA
- 930
- 00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:34,634
- in which he describes
- a "surge in surveillance
- 931
- 00:49:34,636 --> 00:49:37,370
- "of UN Security Council
- members."
- 932
- 00:49:37,372 --> 00:49:38,506
- What's your response?
- 933
- 00:49:38,508 --> 00:49:41,241
- Terry, as a matter
- of long-standing policy
- 934
- 00:49:41,243 --> 00:49:43,509
- the administration
- never comments on anything
- 935
- 00:49:43,511 --> 00:49:46,881
- involving any people
- involved in intelligence.
- 936
- 00:49:46,883 --> 00:49:49,582
- - No, of course, you don't.
- - What the fuck?
- 937
- 00:49:49,584 --> 00:49:51,651
- REPORTER: If you're
- a Cameroonian diplomat
- 938
- 00:49:51,653 --> 00:49:54,087
- or a French diplomat
- at the United Nations
- 939
- 00:49:54,089 --> 00:49:55,689
- then you're gonna have
- to operate on the assumption
- 940
- 00:49:55,691 --> 00:49:56,857
- that the United States
- is bugging you.
- 941
- 00:49:56,859 --> 00:49:59,493
- No, it's a blanket matter
- of policy
- 942
- 00:49:59,495 --> 00:50:02,263
- that we do not answer
- questions of that nature...
- 943
- 00:50:02,265 --> 00:50:03,863
- - Hi.
- - Hi.
- 944
- 00:50:03,865 --> 00:50:06,100
- ...I'm not indicating to you
- whether it's true or not true.
- 945
- 00:50:06,102 --> 00:50:07,500
- Have you eaten?
- 946
- 00:50:07,502 --> 00:50:10,970
- ...of policy that predates
- this administration.
- 947
- 00:50:10,972 --> 00:50:14,410
- - I brought soup. A bean salad.
- - (TURNS OFF TV)
- 948
- 00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:16,912
- I'm gonna say it was me.
- 949
- 00:50:18,347 --> 00:50:21,182
- The Americans are refusing to
- admit that the memo was real.
- 950
- 00:50:21,184 --> 00:50:23,250
- - I have to tell the truth.
- - No.
- 951
- 00:50:23,252 --> 00:50:26,520
- If I don't, then they'll get
- away with saying it was a fake.
- 952
- 00:50:26,522 --> 00:50:29,624
- Janum, you did what you could.
- Now leave it alone, please!
- 953
- 00:50:29,626 --> 00:50:30,691
- What am I supposed to do?
- 954
- 00:50:30,693 --> 00:50:32,426
- Am I supposed
- to keep lying forever?
- 955
- 00:50:32,428 --> 00:50:34,261
- If you say nothing,
- they can never prove anything.
- 956
- 00:50:34,263 --> 00:50:36,129
- They are questioning
- everyone at work.
- 957
- 00:50:36,131 --> 00:50:37,296
- They're interrogating
- my friends.
- 958
- 00:50:37,298 --> 00:50:38,832
- They're asking people
- to name names.
- 959
- 00:50:38,834 --> 00:50:42,201
- - That will be over soon.
- - And then what?
- 960
- 00:50:42,203 --> 00:50:43,638
- There will be a question mark
- 961
- 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,038
- in hundreds of people's files
- because of me.
- 962
- 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,341
- They will put you in jail!
- 963
- 00:50:48,343 --> 00:50:49,676
- I have to prove
- it was real.
- 964
- 00:50:49,678 --> 00:50:50,877
- Everyone at work knows that
- 965
- 00:50:50,879 --> 00:50:53,113
- what the NSA
- asked us to do was illegal.
- 966
- 00:50:53,115 --> 00:50:54,983
- - Nobody cares!
- - Well, I care!
- 967
- 00:50:57,318 --> 00:50:59,185
- If I don't say it was me,
- then we'll go to war
- 968
- 00:50:59,187 --> 00:51:01,488
- based on blackmail
- and lies.
- 969
- 00:51:01,490 --> 00:51:03,626
- And I can't live
- with that. I won't.
- 970
- 00:51:05,627 --> 00:51:07,629
- Janum, please listen to me.
- 971
- 00:51:08,964 --> 00:51:09,930
- I work at a cafe.
- 972
- 00:51:09,932 --> 00:51:11,832
- I took the job
- because I needed a job.
- 973
- 00:51:11,834 --> 00:51:13,667
- But it's just a job.
- 974
- 00:51:13,669 --> 00:51:16,002
- You did the same thing,
- remember?
- 975
- 00:51:16,004 --> 00:51:18,104
- When you saw the advert,
- you said you didn't even know
- 976
- 00:51:18,106 --> 00:51:19,842
- what the job really was.
- 977
- 00:51:21,944 --> 00:51:23,580
- It's just a job.
- 978
- 00:51:24,446 --> 00:51:26,383
- And you can get
- another job.
- 979
- 00:51:29,651 --> 00:51:31,984
- You just need to keep your
- head down for a few more weeks
- 980
- 00:51:31,986 --> 00:51:33,455
- until things calm down.
- 981
- 00:51:34,689 --> 00:51:36,892
- Then you resign,
- you can get another job.
- 982
- 00:51:54,477 --> 00:51:56,780
- MI-YUNG: Hey.
- (SPEAKING MANDARIN)
- 983
- 00:52:03,919 --> 00:52:05,618
- ANDY: On a diet?
- 984
- 00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:07,823
- - What?
- - No cinnamon bun?
- 985
- 00:52:08,356 --> 00:52:09,625
- (SIGHS)
- 986
- 00:52:10,392 --> 00:52:11,827
- Who's in there now?
- 987
- 00:52:12,861 --> 00:52:15,529
- Nuri. Second time.
- 988
- 00:52:15,531 --> 00:52:17,767
- Had him take a lie detector
- test yesterday.
- 989
- 00:52:22,571 --> 00:52:23,772
- FIONA: Mi-Yung!
- 990
- 00:53:16,057 --> 00:53:17,193
- (KNOCKS)
- 991
- 00:53:22,765 --> 00:53:23,933
- I did it.
- 992
- 00:53:26,269 --> 00:53:27,736
- It was me.
- 993
- 00:53:31,607 --> 00:53:32,941
- Oh, Katharine.
- 994
- 00:53:38,013 --> 00:53:39,148
- Leave us, please.
- 995
- 00:54:33,468 --> 00:54:34,803
- Handbag.
- 996
- 00:54:37,305 --> 00:54:38,307
- Rings.
- 997
- 00:54:41,075 --> 00:54:42,311
- Necklace.
- 998
- 00:54:43,646 --> 00:54:46,212
- Watch. Belt.
- 999
- 00:54:46,214 --> 00:54:48,084
- - I don't have a belt.
- - (NECKLACE CLINKS)
- 1000
- 00:54:50,885 --> 00:54:52,821
- OFFICER:
- Take her through cell 7.
- 1001
- 00:54:58,461 --> 00:54:59,729
- (CELL DOOR OPENS)
- 1002
- 00:55:06,401 --> 00:55:09,002
- (LOCKS DOOR)
- 1003
- 00:55:09,004 --> 00:55:11,874
- SECURITY OFFICER: I've found the
- passports and a couple of foreign books.
- 1004
- 00:55:14,209 --> 00:55:15,644
- YASAR: Who are you?
- 1005
- 00:55:17,347 --> 00:55:18,781
- Where's my wife?
- 1006
- 00:55:21,350 --> 00:55:23,683
- I want to see her.
- Where is she?
- 1007
- 00:55:23,685 --> 00:55:27,053
- They can't keep me long.
- They haven't charged me yet.
- 1008
- 00:55:27,055 --> 00:55:28,691
- No contact, please.
- 1009
- 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,330
- - Where are they holding you?
- - Downstairs.
- 1010
- 00:55:37,432 --> 00:55:39,736
- I'm okay.
- I promise I'm okay.
- 1011
- 00:55:48,477 --> 00:55:49,812
- I brought this.
- 1012
- 00:55:51,881 --> 00:55:53,816
- It will get cold tonight.
- 1013
- 00:55:58,287 --> 00:55:59,288
- (SOFTLY) Thank you.
- 1014
- 00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:16,305
- OFFICER: Lights out.
- 1015
- 00:56:22,211 --> 00:56:24,278
- (FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
- 1016
- 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,048
- (DOOR UNLOCKS, OPENS)
- 1017
- 00:56:28,283 --> 00:56:30,884
- - Katharine Gun?
- - Yes.
- 1018
- 00:56:30,886 --> 00:56:34,057
- We're from Scotland Yard.
- Do you have a lawyer?
- 1019
- 00:56:35,156 --> 00:56:36,055
- No.
- 1020
- 00:56:36,057 --> 00:56:38,424
- TINTIN: There's a duty
- solicitor on call.
- 1021
- 00:56:38,426 --> 00:56:39,928
- She'll sit in with you.
- 1022
- 00:56:42,464 --> 00:56:44,298
- (TAPE RECORDER CLICKS)
- 1023
- 00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:47,633
- TINTIN: Your supervisor speaks
- highly of your integrity.
- 1024
- 00:56:47,635 --> 00:56:51,971
- She says this breach
- was a foolish one-off.
- 1025
- 00:56:51,973 --> 00:56:53,006
- Was it?
- 1026
- 00:56:53,008 --> 00:56:55,808
- Do you mean if I leaked
- anything else? No.
- 1027
- 00:56:55,810 --> 00:56:57,879
- - Do you intend to?
- - No.
- 1028
- 00:56:59,247 --> 00:57:01,714
- I've always been very proud
- to work at GCHQ.
- 1029
- 00:57:01,716 --> 00:57:02,919
- Until now.
- 1030
- 00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:06,586
- Yes. Until now.
- 1031
- 00:57:06,588 --> 00:57:08,356
- What were you
- employed to do?
- 1032
- 00:57:09,825 --> 00:57:11,761
- Well, I can't be specific.
- 1033
- 00:57:13,196 --> 00:57:14,330
- Be general then.
- 1034
- 00:57:15,564 --> 00:57:17,497
- I translated signals
- intelligence
- 1035
- 00:57:17,499 --> 00:57:18,964
- and I reported anything
- 1036
- 00:57:18,966 --> 00:57:20,935
- I thought might be of
- interest to my clients.
- 1037
- 00:57:20,937 --> 00:57:22,836
- - Your clients?
- - The Foreign Office.
- 1038
- 00:57:22,838 --> 00:57:24,037
- The Ministry of Defense.
- 1039
- 00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:26,073
- So, you work
- for the British Government.
- 1040
- 00:57:26,075 --> 00:57:28,941
- - No. Not really.
- - No?
- 1041
- 00:57:28,943 --> 00:57:30,843
- Governments change.
- 1042
- 00:57:30,845 --> 00:57:32,779
- I work for the British people.
- 1043
- 00:57:32,781 --> 00:57:34,314
- I gather intelligence
- 1044
- 00:57:34,316 --> 00:57:38,419
- so that the government can
- protect the British people.
- 1045
- 00:57:38,421 --> 00:57:41,687
- I do not gather intelligence
- so that the government can lie
- 1046
- 00:57:41,689 --> 00:57:43,425
- to the British people.
- 1047
- 00:57:45,926 --> 00:57:48,662
- With respect, Mrs. Gun,
- 1048
- 00:57:48,664 --> 00:57:50,332
- you're a spy.
- 1049
- 00:57:51,133 --> 00:57:51,999
- Yes.
- 1050
- 00:57:52,001 --> 00:57:53,066
- You gather information
- 1051
- 00:57:53,068 --> 00:57:54,834
- from people's phones
- and computers
- 1052
- 00:57:54,836 --> 00:57:56,837
- and you feed that
- to your clients.
- 1053
- 00:57:56,839 --> 00:58:00,506
- - Yes.
- - You eavesdrop on private conversations.
- 1054
- 00:58:00,508 --> 00:58:02,676
- And now you're upset
- at being asked to do that
- 1055
- 00:58:02,678 --> 00:58:04,544
- to members
- of the Security Council?
- 1056
- 00:58:04,546 --> 00:58:06,247
- Detective...
- 1057
- 00:58:06,249 --> 00:58:10,316
- I don't object to being asked
- to collect information
- 1058
- 00:58:10,318 --> 00:58:13,486
- that could help
- prevent a terror attack.
- 1059
- 00:58:13,488 --> 00:58:17,790
- What I object to is being
- asked to gather intelligence
- 1060
- 00:58:17,792 --> 00:58:20,894
- to help fix a vote at the UN
- 1061
- 00:58:20,896 --> 00:58:23,932
- and deceive the world
- into going to war.
- 1062
- 00:58:27,537 --> 00:58:30,169
- - Who put you up to this?
- - No one.
- 1063
- 00:58:30,171 --> 00:58:31,805
- But you gave the memo
- to someone.
- 1064
- 00:58:31,807 --> 00:58:34,241
- Who did you give it to?
- A journalist?
- 1065
- 00:58:34,243 --> 00:58:37,211
- Someone in the anti-war
- movement?
- 1066
- 00:58:37,213 --> 00:58:38,281
- MAN: Your husband?
- 1067
- 00:58:39,381 --> 00:58:40,647
- SOLICITOR: You don't have
- to answer that.
- 1068
- 00:58:40,649 --> 00:58:41,948
- No, I will answer that.
- 1069
- 00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:43,984
- My husband had absolutely
- nothing to do with this.
- 1070
- 00:58:43,986 --> 00:58:46,687
- He was briefly detained
- here, too, wasn't he?
- 1071
- 00:58:46,689 --> 00:58:49,622
- - Pending deportation?
- - Yes, he was.
- 1072
- 00:58:49,624 --> 00:58:52,359
- - And then you married him.
- - Yes.
- 1073
- 00:58:52,361 --> 00:58:54,326
- His paperwork
- has been resubmitted.
- 1074
- 00:58:54,328 --> 00:58:56,566
- - He signs in here once a week.
- - He's a Muslim.
- 1075
- 00:58:58,566 --> 00:58:59,633
- I'm sorry?
- 1076
- 00:58:59,635 --> 00:59:01,368
- TINTIN: He's a Kurdish Turk
- 1077
- 00:59:01,370 --> 00:59:04,437
- seeking permanent residence
- in Britain.
- 1078
- 00:59:04,439 --> 00:59:08,140
- And given what Saddam Hussein
- has done to the Kurdish people,
- 1079
- 00:59:08,142 --> 00:59:12,379
- murdering over 180,000 of
- them with chemical weapons,
- 1080
- 00:59:12,381 --> 00:59:13,814
- I can assure you
- 1081
- 00:59:13,816 --> 00:59:16,750
- my husband has absolutely
- no sympathy whatsoever
- 1082
- 00:59:16,752 --> 00:59:17,884
- with the Iraqi regime.
- 1083
- 00:59:17,886 --> 00:59:19,153
- Then why did you
- leak a memo
- 1084
- 00:59:19,155 --> 00:59:22,388
- intended to help
- remove Saddam Hussein?
- 1085
- 00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:23,490
- 'Cause by attacking Iraq,
- 1086
- 00:59:23,492 --> 00:59:26,160
- you don't simply attack
- Saddam Hussein,
- 1087
- 00:59:26,162 --> 00:59:29,395
- you attack the country
- of over 30 million people!
- 1088
- 00:59:29,397 --> 00:59:31,964
- And I cannot bear to think
- of the pain and the suffering
- 1089
- 00:59:31,966 --> 00:59:33,167
- that that will cause.
- 1090
- 00:59:33,169 --> 00:59:36,470
- Frankly, I don't see
- how anyone can bear it.
- 1091
- 00:59:36,472 --> 00:59:39,238
- SOLICITOR: Detective,
- is she going to be formally charged?
- 1092
- 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,241
- That's a decision
- for the Attorney General.
- 1093
- 00:59:41,243 --> 00:59:45,979
- Lord Goldsmith will need time
- to decide how to deal with you.
- 1094
- 00:59:45,981 --> 00:59:47,781
- The custody sergeant
- will release you
- 1095
- 00:59:47,783 --> 00:59:49,249
- on police bail today.
- 1096
- 00:59:49,251 --> 00:59:51,151
- You'll be told
- to return to the station
- 1097
- 00:59:51,153 --> 00:59:53,153
- in approximately
- three months,
- 1098
- 00:59:53,155 --> 00:59:55,555
- by which time a decision
- on whether to charge you
- 1099
- 00:59:55,557 --> 00:59:57,126
- will have been made.
- 1100
- 01:00:04,466 --> 01:00:05,568
- (DOOR BUZZING)
- 1101
- 01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:09,504
- Are you all right,
- janum?
- 1102
- 01:00:10,673 --> 01:00:12,738
- - Are you all right?
- - Yeah, come on.
- 1103
- 01:00:12,740 --> 01:00:14,540
- Katharine?
- 1104
- 01:00:14,542 --> 01:00:17,676
- I'm sorry. I deal mostly
- with petty criminals,
- 1105
- 01:00:17,678 --> 01:00:19,946
- drunks and drug addicts.
- 1106
- 01:00:19,948 --> 01:00:22,049
- If you're charged,
- you're gonna need someone
- 1107
- 01:00:22,051 --> 01:00:24,250
- with a lot more
- experience than me.
- 1108
- 01:00:24,252 --> 01:00:27,220
- - I see.
- - Have you heard of Liberty?
- 1109
- 01:00:27,222 --> 01:00:29,055
- They handle
- human rights cases,
- 1110
- 01:00:29,057 --> 01:00:32,459
- political cases,
- often for free.
- 1111
- 01:00:32,461 --> 01:00:36,531
- Well... I just wanted
- to be sure you knew that.
- 1112
- 01:00:37,231 --> 01:00:38,698
- - Good luck.
- - Thank you.
- 1113
- 01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:39,935
- Thank you.
- 1114
- 01:00:42,370 --> 01:00:44,071
- REPORTER: (ON TV)
- George W. Bush's patience
- 1115
- 01:00:44,073 --> 01:00:45,671
- with the United Nation
- has run out
- 1116
- 01:00:45,673 --> 01:00:48,542
- because they haven't managed
- to get those nine votes
- 1117
- 01:00:48,544 --> 01:00:51,078
- at the Security Council
- which would give them,
- 1118
- 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,812
- what they call,
- a moral majority.
- 1119
- 01:00:52,814 --> 01:00:56,716
- That represents a real failure
- of American diplomacy.
- 1120
- 01:00:56,718 --> 01:00:59,017
- REPORTER 2: This is the man
- who's advising Tony Blair
- 1121
- 01:00:59,019 --> 01:01:01,020
- on the legality of war.
- 1122
- 01:01:01,022 --> 01:01:02,488
- The Attorney General
- Lord Goldsmith
- 1123
- 01:01:02,490 --> 01:01:05,191
- has, I understand,
- told the Prime Minister
- 1124
- 01:01:05,193 --> 01:01:08,461
- military action would be legal
- without a second resolution.
- 1125
- 01:01:08,463 --> 01:01:10,196
- But it's all down
- to interpretation.
- 1126
- 01:01:10,198 --> 01:01:11,964
- What is she saying?
- They have not got the votes
- 1127
- 01:01:11,966 --> 01:01:13,834
- but they're going to war,
- anyway?
- 1128
- 01:01:13,836 --> 01:01:16,837
- REPORTER 2: ...arguing old
- UN resolutions don't count
- 1129
- 01:01:16,839 --> 01:01:19,872
- and war is illegal
- without a new one
- 1130
- 01:01:19,874 --> 01:01:21,207
- or a new threat.
- 1131
- 01:01:21,209 --> 01:01:22,475
- So the troops are in place.
- 1132
- 01:01:22,477 --> 01:01:24,678
- Some UN inspectors
- are quitting Iraq.
- 1133
- 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,345
- Just how close are we to war?
- 1134
- 01:01:26,347 --> 01:01:29,015
- Fergus has been assessing
- the evidence. Fergus?
- 1135
- 01:01:29,017 --> 01:01:30,584
- FERGUS: All the signs are now
- 1136
- 01:01:30,586 --> 01:01:33,122
- that war is very,
- very close now...
- 1137
- 01:01:34,722 --> 01:01:35,724
- Hi.
- 1138
- 01:01:37,158 --> 01:01:38,558
- - Do you wanna come in?
- - Oh, no, no, no.
- 1139
- 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,660
- I'm all packed for London.
- 1140
- 01:01:40,662 --> 01:01:42,794
- I just, um...
- 1141
- 01:01:42,796 --> 01:01:45,667
- I just wanted to say,
- I think that what you did was amazing.
- 1142
- 01:01:47,269 --> 01:01:51,006
- - You do?
- - Yeah. A lot of us do.
- 1143
- 01:01:52,006 --> 01:01:53,209
- Really?
- 1144
- 01:01:54,676 --> 01:01:56,544
- Are they going
- to charge you?
- 1145
- 01:01:57,946 --> 01:01:59,148
- I don't know.
- 1146
- 01:02:01,417 --> 01:02:04,283
- (CRYING) God, Kat,
- I'm so sorry.
- 1147
- 01:02:04,285 --> 01:02:06,019
- Hey, you didn't do
- anything wrong.
- 1148
- 01:02:06,021 --> 01:02:09,191
- I didn't do
- anything right. I...
- 1149
- 01:02:16,298 --> 01:02:18,064
- (MI-YUNG CHUCKLES, SNIFFLES)
- 1150
- 01:02:18,066 --> 01:02:20,770
- I better be going. Bye.
- 1151
- 01:02:25,941 --> 01:02:27,475
- (DOOR BELL JINGLES)
- 1152
- 01:02:33,915 --> 01:02:36,915
- (AIRCRAFT WHOOSHING)
- 1153
- 01:02:36,917 --> 01:02:39,088
- (EXPLOSIONS)
- 1154
- 01:02:42,124 --> 01:02:44,156
- PRESIDENT BUSH:
- My fellow citizens,
- 1155
- 01:02:44,158 --> 01:02:47,294
- at this hour,
- American and coalition forces
- 1156
- 01:02:47,296 --> 01:02:50,029
- are in the early stages
- of military operations
- 1157
- 01:02:50,031 --> 01:02:53,165
- to disarm Iraq,
- to free its people
- 1158
- 01:02:53,167 --> 01:02:56,069
- and to defend the world
- from grave danger.
- 1159
- 01:02:56,071 --> 01:02:59,973
- Our nation enters
- this conflict reluctantly,
- 1160
- 01:02:59,975 --> 01:03:02,709
- yet our purpose is sure.
- 1161
- 01:03:02,711 --> 01:03:05,245
- The people of the United States
- and our friends and allies
- 1162
- 01:03:05,247 --> 01:03:08,682
- will not live at the mercy
- of an outlaw regime
- 1163
- 01:03:08,684 --> 01:03:12,185
- that threatens the peace
- with weapons of mass murder.
- 1164
- 01:03:12,187 --> 01:03:13,722
- (EXPLOSIONS)
- 1165
- 01:03:17,292 --> 01:03:18,591
- We will meet that threat now.
- 1166
- 01:03:18,593 --> 01:03:21,528
- We should have got
- that memo out sooner.
- 1167
- 01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:24,796
- - We did what we could.
- - We fucking failed.
- 1168
- 01:03:24,798 --> 01:03:26,767
- PRESIDENT BUSH: So that we
- do not have to meet it later
- 1169
- 01:03:26,769 --> 01:03:30,904
- with armies of firefighters
- and police and doctors
- 1170
- 01:03:30,906 --> 01:03:33,439
- on the streets of our cities.
- 1171
- 01:03:33,441 --> 01:03:35,375
- Now that conflict has come,
- 1172
- 01:03:35,377 --> 01:03:37,243
- the only way
- to limit its duration
- 1173
- 01:03:37,245 --> 01:03:39,712
- is to apply decisive force.
- 1174
- 01:03:39,714 --> 01:03:41,515
- I'm so fucking naive.
- 1175
- 01:03:41,517 --> 01:03:44,683
- This will not be a campaign
- of half measures
- 1176
- 01:03:44,685 --> 01:03:48,020
- and we will accept
- no outcome but victory.
- 1177
- 01:03:48,022 --> 01:03:49,791
- (PEOPLE CLAMORING)
- 1178
- 01:04:05,274 --> 01:04:06,775
- I have to go.
- 1179
- 01:04:10,245 --> 01:04:12,546
- You want to come
- to the cafe?
- 1180
- 01:04:12,548 --> 01:04:13,781
- Work with me?
- 1181
- 01:04:20,189 --> 01:04:21,557
- I'll call you later.
- 1182
- 01:04:24,993 --> 01:04:26,629
- If we use the phones,
- 1183
- 01:04:27,763 --> 01:04:29,431
- they'll be listening.
- 1184
- 01:04:30,731 --> 01:04:33,066
- Let them listen.
- 1185
- 01:04:33,068 --> 01:04:34,803
- We have nothing to hide.
- 1186
- 01:04:38,106 --> 01:04:40,242
- You should contact
- those lawyers...
- 1187
- 01:04:42,243 --> 01:04:43,444
- ...today.
- 1188
- 01:04:44,646 --> 01:04:45,647
- Please.
- 1189
- 01:05:09,104 --> 01:05:11,404
- (DOORBELL BUZZES)
- 1190
- 01:05:11,406 --> 01:05:13,640
- - MAN: Hello?
- - Hi. Uh, it's Katharine.
- 1191
- 01:05:13,642 --> 01:05:15,207
- Uh, Katharine Gun.
- I phoned this morning.
- 1192
- 01:05:15,209 --> 01:05:18,479
- Oh, yes, Katharine.
- Please, um, come on up.
- 1193
- 01:05:19,314 --> 01:05:20,582
- (DOOR BUZZES)
- 1194
- 01:05:25,285 --> 01:05:27,285
- - Katharine?
- - Hello.
- 1195
- 01:05:27,287 --> 01:05:29,455
- James.
- Lovely to meet you.
- 1196
- 01:05:29,457 --> 01:05:31,223
- - Thanks for seeing me.
- - Not at all.
- 1197
- 01:05:31,225 --> 01:05:32,658
- I'm sorry
- about the decor.
- 1198
- 01:05:32,660 --> 01:05:35,562
- We like to say we focus
- more on our clients.
- 1199
- 01:05:35,564 --> 01:05:37,729
- This is Shami Chakrabarti,
- our director.
- 1200
- 01:05:37,731 --> 01:05:41,734
- - Hello, Katharine.
- - And this is Ben Emmerson.
- 1201
- 01:05:41,736 --> 01:05:42,801
- Hi.
- 1202
- 01:05:42,803 --> 01:05:44,069
- Hello.
- 1203
- 01:05:44,071 --> 01:05:46,406
- This was the only memo you took?
- 1204
- 01:05:46,408 --> 01:05:48,875
- - Yes.
- - No one suggested you take it?
- 1205
- 01:05:48,877 --> 01:05:51,877
- - No.
- - And you've never met Martin Bright?
- 1206
- 01:05:51,879 --> 01:05:52,946
- No.
- 1207
- 01:05:52,948 --> 01:05:53,812
- Martin called me
- last week.
- 1208
- 01:05:53,814 --> 01:05:55,515
- He said he didn't know
- who you were,
- 1209
- 01:05:55,517 --> 01:05:58,919
- but he wanted us to be aware
- that you might need our help.
- 1210
- 01:05:58,921 --> 01:06:00,854
- Well, that was
- very kind of him.
- 1211
- 01:06:00,856 --> 01:06:03,256
- He said he got the memo
- from someone he knew
- 1212
- 01:06:03,258 --> 01:06:05,223
- but he wouldn't say who.
- 1213
- 01:06:05,225 --> 01:06:08,263
- Do you want to tell us
- who you gave it to?
- 1214
- 01:06:11,098 --> 01:06:13,200
- Look,
- 1215
- 01:06:13,202 --> 01:06:17,037
- if you don't mind,
- I would prefer not to say.
- 1216
- 01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:18,640
- I promised I wouldn't.
- 1217
- 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,375
- Okay.
- 1218
- 01:06:21,377 --> 01:06:24,310
- When you met Yasar, he had
- already applied for asylum.
- 1219
- 01:06:24,312 --> 01:06:26,645
- - Yes.
- - Which was denied.
- 1220
- 01:06:26,647 --> 01:06:30,415
- Yes, uh, they said that there
- wasn't a significant enough risk
- 1221
- 01:06:30,417 --> 01:06:32,386
- of persecution
- if he went back.
- 1222
- 01:06:32,388 --> 01:06:34,087
- And that's when
- you married him?
- 1223
- 01:06:34,089 --> 01:06:36,189
- - Yes.
- - And did he pay you?
- 1224
- 01:06:36,191 --> 01:06:37,390
- Absolutely not.
- 1225
- 01:06:37,392 --> 01:06:38,524
- I'm sorry,
- I don't mean to upset you.
- 1226
- 01:06:38,526 --> 01:06:40,359
- It's just that
- your husband is Muslim
- 1227
- 01:06:40,361 --> 01:06:42,328
- and the prosecution
- will be looking for motive.
- 1228
- 01:06:42,330 --> 01:06:45,531
- My motive was to stop a war
- 1229
- 01:06:45,533 --> 01:06:49,968
- and save lives. I failed.
- 1230
- 01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:52,939
- All I've managed to do is put
- my husband's future at risk.
- 1231
- 01:06:52,941 --> 01:06:54,707
- BEN: And your own.
- 1232
- 01:06:54,709 --> 01:06:56,375
- In fact,
- by leaking information
- 1233
- 01:06:56,377 --> 01:06:58,145
- to try and stop a war,
- I'd argue
- 1234
- 01:06:58,147 --> 01:07:00,312
- that you chose loyalty
- to your country
- 1235
- 01:07:00,314 --> 01:07:04,618
- over loyalty to your government,
- your marriage and yourself.
- 1236
- 01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:07,489
- You had nothing to gain
- and everything to lose.
- 1237
- 01:07:08,890 --> 01:07:11,460
- I think that speaks
- rather highly of you.
- 1238
- 01:07:12,426 --> 01:07:15,595
- SHAMI: He's trying
- to give you a compliment.
- 1239
- 01:07:15,597 --> 01:07:16,562
- I see.
- 1240
- 01:07:16,564 --> 01:07:18,631
- JAMES: Part of our job
- is to try and anticipate
- 1241
- 01:07:18,633 --> 01:07:21,834
- what the prosecution's
- going to throw at you.
- 1242
- 01:07:21,836 --> 01:07:24,638
- Some of the people we meet
- are looking for attention,
- 1243
- 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,939
- a way to elevate
- their humdrum lives.
- 1244
- 01:07:26,941 --> 01:07:29,777
- - Well, I'm not.
- - No, I don't think you are.
- 1245
- 01:07:33,682 --> 01:07:34,647
- Sorry.
- 1246
- 01:07:34,649 --> 01:07:36,917
- There's nothing
- to be sorry for.
- 1247
- 01:07:36,919 --> 01:07:38,785
- We're here to help.
- 1248
- 01:07:38,787 --> 01:07:39,821
- (CHUCKLES LIGHTLY)
- 1249
- 01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:43,189
- And we don't have duress.
- 1250
- 01:07:43,191 --> 01:07:47,026
- She's adamant no outside
- agency put any pressure on her.
- 1251
- 01:07:47,028 --> 01:07:48,761
- Public interest?
- 1252
- 01:07:48,763 --> 01:07:51,263
- The public has a right to know
- when their government is lying.
- 1253
- 01:07:51,265 --> 01:07:53,232
- We cite
- the Falklands case
- 1254
- 01:07:53,234 --> 01:07:54,901
- when Thatcher lied
- about why she ordered
- 1255
- 01:07:54,903 --> 01:07:56,569
- the sinking
- of that Argentinian ship.
- 1256
- 01:07:56,571 --> 01:07:57,870
- - Belgrano.
- - Yeah.
- 1257
- 01:07:57,872 --> 01:08:00,372
- - Who was the whistleblower?
- - Clive Ponting.
- 1258
- 01:08:00,374 --> 01:08:01,674
- The jury acquitted him,
- didn't they?
- 1259
- 01:08:01,676 --> 01:08:02,942
- Yes, and immediately
- afterwards,
- 1260
- 01:08:02,944 --> 01:08:04,910
- Thatcher had the Official
- Secrets Act amended
- 1261
- 01:08:04,912 --> 01:08:06,745
- to avoid being caught
- in a lie in the future.
- 1262
- 01:08:06,747 --> 01:08:09,015
- So since '89,
- the public interest is
- 1263
- 01:08:09,017 --> 01:08:11,919
- effectively whatever the
- government says that it is.
- 1264
- 01:08:12,953 --> 01:08:14,620
- We've got nothing.
- 1265
- 01:08:14,622 --> 01:08:16,523
- I have to
- think about it.
- 1266
- 01:08:16,525 --> 01:08:18,825
- Sorry, I have to go.
- 1267
- 01:08:18,827 --> 01:08:21,029
- I promised Anne
- a weekend away.
- 1268
- 01:08:22,564 --> 01:08:25,264
- If they charge her,
- we might have to plead guilty
- 1269
- 01:08:25,266 --> 01:08:26,765
- and ask for
- a reduced sentence.
- 1270
- 01:08:26,767 --> 01:08:29,035
- But she's young
- and principled.
- 1271
- 01:08:29,037 --> 01:08:31,636
- A judge might even think that
- what she did was morally right.
- 1272
- 01:08:31,638 --> 01:08:34,042
- Or crucify her
- as a traitor.
- 1273
- 01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:37,111
- Bye.
- 1274
- 01:09:04,672 --> 01:09:07,674
- - You sure he was following you?
- - He was staring at me.
- 1275
- 01:09:07,676 --> 01:09:08,741
- Sometimes men stare...
- 1276
- 01:09:08,743 --> 01:09:09,843
- Yeah, it wasn't
- that kind of a stare.
- 1277
- 01:09:09,845 --> 01:09:11,309
- What kind
- of a stare was it?
- 1278
- 01:09:11,311 --> 01:09:14,412
- Yas, please,
- I'm scared. Okay?
- 1279
- 01:09:14,414 --> 01:09:15,751
- I'm scared.
- 1280
- 01:09:17,485 --> 01:09:19,786
- You know, for years,
- I've tried to be legal here.
- 1281
- 01:09:19,788 --> 01:09:21,353
- - I know.
- - Then why'd you do it?
- 1282
- 01:09:21,355 --> 01:09:23,590
- These arseholes got
- their war, anyway.
- 1283
- 01:09:23,592 --> 01:09:25,425
- Saddam's over.
- And you know what?
- 1284
- 01:09:25,427 --> 01:09:27,560
- - I'm glad he's over!
- - War is not over.
- 1285
- 01:09:27,562 --> 01:09:29,094
- Ousting Saddam
- is just the beginning.
- 1286
- 01:09:29,096 --> 01:09:31,764
- - What do you know about war?
- - I work at GCHQ.
- 1287
- 01:09:31,766 --> 01:09:33,933
- All you do is listen
- to people talking!
- 1288
- 01:09:33,935 --> 01:09:36,702
- You've never seen war!
- You've never smelled it!
- 1289
- 01:09:36,704 --> 01:09:37,902
- Never even
- come close to it!
- 1290
- 01:09:37,904 --> 01:09:40,240
- Yas, I understand
- why you are angry.
- 1291
- 01:09:40,242 --> 01:09:42,474
- It is my fault
- and I'm sorry.
- 1292
- 01:09:42,476 --> 01:09:44,376
- I am so sorry.
- 1293
- 01:09:44,378 --> 01:09:49,349
- But I watched Blair
- with his smug smile
- 1294
- 01:09:49,351 --> 01:09:52,117
- and his sterile speeches
- that tell us nothing
- 1295
- 01:09:52,119 --> 01:09:56,154
- of what it must feel like to
- be a child in Iraq right now.
- 1296
- 01:09:56,156 --> 01:09:58,791
- I know I'm not sorry
- that I tried to stop him.
- 1297
- 01:09:58,793 --> 01:09:59,928
- I'm not.
- 1298
- 01:10:00,861 --> 01:10:03,129
- I'm only sorry
- that I failed.
- 1299
- 01:10:03,131 --> 01:10:04,732
- (KNOCK ON DOOR)
- 1300
- 01:10:10,939 --> 01:10:14,139
- Thank you
- for inviting us in.
- 1301
- 01:10:14,141 --> 01:10:15,407
- What is it
- you came to say?
- 1302
- 01:10:15,409 --> 01:10:19,178
- Well, there's been
- a development.
- 1303
- 01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:21,848
- - Am I going to be charged?
- - That I don't know.
- 1304
- 01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,685
- Then why
- are you here?
- 1305
- 01:10:24,985 --> 01:10:27,419
- I gather you went to see
- a lawyer today.
- 1306
- 01:10:27,421 --> 01:10:28,755
- - Did you follow me?
- - No.
- 1307
- 01:10:28,757 --> 01:10:29,889
- Because somebody did.
- 1308
- 01:10:29,891 --> 01:10:31,657
- Well, you must know
- that after what you did,
- 1309
- 01:10:31,659 --> 01:10:33,492
- GCHQ is concerned.
- 1310
- 01:10:33,494 --> 01:10:36,062
- I have a right
- to legal advice.
- 1311
- 01:10:36,064 --> 01:10:39,965
- TINTIN: Unfortunately,
- it's not as simple as that.
- 1312
- 01:10:39,967 --> 01:10:42,734
- When you signed on
- to work for GCHQ,
- 1313
- 01:10:42,736 --> 01:10:45,737
- you agreed to be bound
- by the Official Secrets Act
- 1314
- 01:10:45,739 --> 01:10:47,840
- for the rest of your life.
- 1315
- 01:10:47,842 --> 01:10:49,809
- I know what I signed,
- detective.
- 1316
- 01:10:49,811 --> 01:10:54,546
- Mm, then you know
- that it says here
- 1317
- 01:10:54,548 --> 01:10:56,948
- in Section 1-1
- 1318
- 01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:59,518
- that "a person is
- guilty of an offense
- 1319
- 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,855
- "if he or she
- 1320
- 01:11:02,857 --> 01:11:04,956
- "discloses any information
- 1321
- 01:11:04,958 --> 01:11:08,760
- "relating to security
- or intelligence."
- 1322
- 01:11:08,762 --> 01:11:12,398
- This means that you cannot
- discuss anything
- 1323
- 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,402
- with anyone outside of GCHQ
- 1324
- 01:11:15,404 --> 01:11:18,006
- relating to
- the document you leaked.
- 1325
- 01:11:19,673 --> 01:11:21,941
- Are you saying
- I can't talk to a lawyer?
- 1326
- 01:11:21,943 --> 01:11:23,977
- Oh, you have the right
- to talk to a lawyer.
- 1327
- 01:11:23,979 --> 01:11:25,911
- It's just that
- you cannot discuss
- 1328
- 01:11:25,913 --> 01:11:29,448
- anything to do with
- your work at GCHQ,
- 1329
- 01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:31,416
- or the contents
- of the memo you leaked,
- 1330
- 01:11:31,418 --> 01:11:33,620
- or how it came
- into your possession
- 1331
- 01:11:33,622 --> 01:11:35,222
- or who wrote it.
- 1332
- 01:11:36,490 --> 01:11:39,625
- All of this information
- is top secret.
- 1333
- 01:11:39,627 --> 01:11:42,728
- So disclosing it
- to anyone outside of GCHQ,
- 1334
- 01:11:42,730 --> 01:11:44,863
- even a lawyer,
- 1335
- 01:11:44,865 --> 01:11:48,667
- would be a further violation
- of the Official Secrets Act,
- 1336
- 01:11:48,669 --> 01:11:51,970
- which could result
- in further prosecution
- 1337
- 01:11:51,972 --> 01:11:55,077
- and a much longer
- prison sentence.
- 1338
- 01:11:57,846 --> 01:12:00,649
- We just wanted
- you to be aware of that.
- 1339
- 01:12:02,484 --> 01:12:06,818
- So if I may not talk to a
- lawyer, who may I talk to?
- 1340
- 01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:09,587
- You should talk to
- your superiors at GCHQ.
- 1341
- 01:12:09,589 --> 01:12:13,158
- - Are you fucking joking?
- - Yas, please. Please.
- 1342
- 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,894
- We should hear what
- the detectives have to say.
- 1343
- 01:12:15,896 --> 01:12:17,966
- They're just
- doing their job.
- 1344
- 01:12:20,836 --> 01:12:25,871
- Simply put, if you wish
- to tell anything to a lawyer
- 1345
- 01:12:25,873 --> 01:12:28,744
- or the press or anyone else...
- 1346
- 01:12:29,709 --> 01:12:32,847
- ...you first need to
- clear it with GCHQ.
- 1347
- 01:12:36,484 --> 01:12:37,852
- Detective...
- 1348
- 01:12:38,887 --> 01:12:41,853
- I leaked only one memo.
- 1349
- 01:12:41,855 --> 01:12:43,188
- I had good reason to do so
- 1350
- 01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:46,492
- and I intend to make
- those reasons public
- 1351
- 01:12:46,494 --> 01:12:48,863
- if I am charged.
- 1352
- 01:12:50,064 --> 01:12:52,197
- I will not talk
- to my lawyers again
- 1353
- 01:12:52,199 --> 01:12:54,669
- unless I am charged.
- 1354
- 01:12:55,837 --> 01:12:58,106
- Tell that to GCHQ.
- 1355
- 01:13:03,845 --> 01:13:05,344
- Are you grilling
- or smoking that fish?
- 1356
- 01:13:05,346 --> 01:13:08,447
- I am smoking.
- I've soaked the wood chips in water.
- 1357
- 01:13:08,449 --> 01:13:09,549
- I've got charcoal.
- 1358
- 01:13:09,551 --> 01:13:12,518
- I'm... I'm trying
- something new.
- 1359
- 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,188
- - Hi.
- - Ken?
- 1360
- 01:13:15,190 --> 01:13:16,621
- - Hi.
- - Hi, Ken.
- 1361
- 01:13:16,623 --> 01:13:19,591
- - Guess you're down here for the weekend.
- - Yes. Just for the night.
- 1362
- 01:13:19,593 --> 01:13:21,126
- Yeah, me too.
- It's been a while.
- 1363
- 01:13:21,128 --> 01:13:23,728
- Mm-hmm. Would you, uh...
- Do you want a drink?
- 1364
- 01:13:23,730 --> 01:13:26,532
- Uh, no, thanks.
- Sally's cooking dinner.
- 1365
- 01:13:26,534 --> 01:13:28,968
- - Hello, Anne.
- - Hi.
- 1366
- 01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:32,237
- - I'm so sorry to intrude.
- - Oh, not at all.
- 1367
- 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,005
- How's the new job?
- 1368
- 01:13:34,007 --> 01:13:37,910
- Well, it's, um, eye-opening.
- 1369
- 01:13:37,912 --> 01:13:41,647
- In fact, I wondered
- if I might ask Ben's opinion
- 1370
- 01:13:41,649 --> 01:13:45,251
- about a new case that my office
- has been asked to prosecute.
- 1371
- 01:13:45,253 --> 01:13:48,688
- It won't take a minute.
- Would you mind?
- 1372
- 01:13:48,690 --> 01:13:50,689
- How do you know
- that I met her?
- 1373
- 01:13:50,691 --> 01:13:53,459
- Security services
- are all over this.
- 1374
- 01:13:53,461 --> 01:13:54,693
- Mm-hmm.
- 1375
- 01:13:54,695 --> 01:13:56,595
- And it's not just
- a domestic embarrassment.
- 1376
- 01:13:56,597 --> 01:13:57,964
- The Americans
- are very unhappy.
- 1377
- 01:13:57,966 --> 01:13:59,465
- Oh, well,
- that is upsetting.
- 1378
- 01:13:59,467 --> 01:14:02,736
- Oh, come on, Ben,
- it's not funny.
- 1379
- 01:14:02,738 --> 01:14:05,770
- What she did was a
- deliberate act of betrayal.
- 1380
- 01:14:05,772 --> 01:14:08,072
- Look, Ken, we're not
- colleagues anymore.
- 1381
- 01:14:08,074 --> 01:14:09,474
- We're on
- different sides here.
- 1382
- 01:14:09,476 --> 01:14:14,080
- I think she wants to be seen
- as some sort of cause celebre.
- 1383
- 01:14:14,082 --> 01:14:18,283
- But she swore allegiance
- to the intelligence services
- 1384
- 01:14:18,285 --> 01:14:20,618
- and when you do that you
- don't get to pick and choose
- 1385
- 01:14:20,620 --> 01:14:21,920
- what orders
- you'll follow.
- 1386
- 01:14:21,922 --> 01:14:24,290
- Following orders is not
- a defense to a war crime.
- 1387
- 01:14:24,292 --> 01:14:28,527
- Yes, but who is she to undermine
- the strategic objectives
- 1388
- 01:14:28,529 --> 01:14:31,496
- - of a democratically-elected Prime Minister.
- - (CHUCKLES)
- 1389
- 01:14:31,498 --> 01:14:34,700
- Oh, come on, she's not selling
- state secrets to Moscow.
- 1390
- 01:14:34,702 --> 01:14:36,969
- She exposed
- an illegal attempt
- 1391
- 01:14:36,971 --> 01:14:39,304
- to secure
- a UN resolution for war
- 1392
- 01:14:39,306 --> 01:14:41,072
- which would have
- given Blair perfect cover
- 1393
- 01:14:41,074 --> 01:14:42,640
- for the bloody mess
- that we're in now.
- 1394
- 01:14:42,642 --> 01:14:44,810
- No, she should have
- kept her mouth shut
- 1395
- 01:14:44,812 --> 01:14:47,045
- or complained
- to her superiors.
- 1396
- 01:14:47,047 --> 01:14:48,613
- Now I've got
- a real problem with people
- 1397
- 01:14:48,615 --> 01:14:50,715
- who think that
- from some lowly position
- 1398
- 01:14:50,717 --> 01:14:52,385
- they can possibly see
- the big picture.
- 1399
- 01:14:52,387 --> 01:14:54,185
- So then you would
- never question authority
- 1400
- 01:14:54,187 --> 01:14:55,955
- even if you knew
- it was breaking the law.
- 1401
- 01:14:55,957 --> 01:14:58,858
- Ben, you can't blame me
- for being angry with her.
- 1402
- 01:14:58,860 --> 01:15:00,225
- We're at war.
- 1403
- 01:15:00,227 --> 01:15:02,428
- So, I'm going to assign the
- best prosecutor in my office
- 1404
- 01:15:02,430 --> 01:15:04,897
- to bring this girl down,
- which shouldn't be difficult.
- 1405
- 01:15:04,899 --> 01:15:05,965
- She's already confessed.
- 1406
- 01:15:05,967 --> 01:15:07,899
- I appreciate
- your determination
- 1407
- 01:15:07,901 --> 01:15:11,306
- to make an example of her,
- but you shouldn't be here.
- 1408
- 01:15:13,807 --> 01:15:15,273
- Oh, come on,
- we're friends.
- 1409
- 01:15:15,275 --> 01:15:17,410
- I'll make my position
- perfectly clear.
- 1410
- 01:15:17,412 --> 01:15:19,845
- If you charge her,
- then I will defend her
- 1411
- 01:15:19,847 --> 01:15:22,050
- to the best of my ability.
- 1412
- 01:15:24,051 --> 01:15:25,283
- So let's go home
- and pretend
- 1413
- 01:15:25,285 --> 01:15:27,823
- that this conversation
- never happened.
- 1414
- 01:16:00,922 --> 01:16:03,221
- You're not working today?
- 1415
- 01:16:03,223 --> 01:16:06,494
- No. I have to sign in
- at the station.
- 1416
- 01:16:08,962 --> 01:16:12,533
- - Then we can go for a hike.
- - I want to see the sea.
- 1417
- 01:16:22,944 --> 01:16:25,013
- (TELEPHONE RINGING)
- 1418
- 01:16:25,846 --> 01:16:27,114
- Leave it.
- 1419
- 01:16:28,382 --> 01:16:29,584
- (KATHARINE CHUCKLES)
- 1420
- 01:16:33,421 --> 01:16:36,188
- KATHARINE ON RECORDING: Hi, we're not in.
- Please leave a message.
- 1421
- 01:16:36,190 --> 01:16:39,825
- Katharine,
- it's James Welch from Liberty.
- 1422
- 01:16:39,827 --> 01:16:41,594
- Uh, we should talk.
- 1423
- 01:16:41,596 --> 01:16:44,729
- Could give me a call
- when you get the message?
- 1424
- 01:16:44,731 --> 01:16:46,432
- Hello?
- 1425
- 01:16:46,434 --> 01:16:48,302
- Oh, ah, Katharine.
- 1426
- 01:16:49,169 --> 01:16:52,136
- I'm afraid I have
- some bad news.
- 1427
- 01:16:52,138 --> 01:16:54,340
- Uh, James, you know that
- 1428
- 01:16:54,342 --> 01:16:56,340
- GCHQ said I
- couldn't talk to you.
- 1429
- 01:16:56,342 --> 01:16:57,910
- Oh, then,
- well, the good news is
- 1430
- 01:16:57,912 --> 01:17:00,179
- we finally had
- the gag order lifted.
- 1431
- 01:17:00,181 --> 01:17:01,580
- We've agreed to not
- ask any questions
- 1432
- 01:17:01,582 --> 01:17:04,515
- about what other work
- you did at GCHQ.
- 1433
- 01:17:04,517 --> 01:17:08,088
- But what happens going forward
- isn't up to them.
- 1434
- 01:17:09,257 --> 01:17:10,456
- Your case is now in the hands
- 1435
- 01:17:10,458 --> 01:17:13,094
- of the Crown Prosecution
- Service.
- 1436
- 01:17:15,762 --> 01:17:17,631
- They're going to charge you.
- 1437
- 01:17:20,935 --> 01:17:23,004
- We should meet next week.
- 1438
- 01:17:26,007 --> 01:17:28,043
- - Katharine?
- - Yes. Uh...
- 1439
- 01:17:29,443 --> 01:17:31,178
- Okay. Yeah.
- 1440
- 01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:34,712
- I know that this is
- a lot to take in,
- 1441
- 01:17:34,714 --> 01:17:35,947
- but we will help you.
- 1442
- 01:17:35,949 --> 01:17:37,385
- Thank you.
- 1443
- 01:17:39,352 --> 01:17:41,019
- - Okay.
- - Thank you very much, James.
- 1444
- 01:17:41,021 --> 01:17:42,222
- Speak soon.
- 1445
- 01:17:47,328 --> 01:17:50,395
- EDIE:
- "GCHQ whistleblower charged."
- 1446
- 01:17:50,397 --> 01:17:51,764
- "Traitor or spy?"
- 1447
- 01:17:51,766 --> 01:17:53,166
- "Spy speaks out."
- 1448
- 01:17:53,168 --> 01:17:55,033
- "The spy who wouldn't
- keep a secret."
- 1449
- 01:17:55,035 --> 01:17:57,569
- "Who is Katharine Gun?"
- 1450
- 01:17:57,571 --> 01:17:59,373
- "Leak against this war."
- 1451
- 01:18:00,173 --> 01:18:02,140
- She's everywhere.
- 1452
- 01:18:02,142 --> 01:18:04,309
- What's your angle?
- 1453
- 01:18:04,311 --> 01:18:05,379
- Look.
- 1454
- 01:18:06,815 --> 01:18:08,546
- "Katharine Gun faces jail
- for exposing
- 1455
- 01:18:08,548 --> 01:18:10,750
- "American corruption
- in the run-up to war.
- 1456
- 01:18:10,752 --> 01:18:13,051
- "Now her
- celebrity supporters insist
- 1457
- 01:18:13,053 --> 01:18:15,420
- "it is Bush and Blair
- who should be in the dock."
- 1458
- 01:18:15,422 --> 01:18:17,423
- - Celebrity supporters?
- - Mm.
- 1459
- 01:18:17,425 --> 01:18:19,390
- Little tabloidy,
- don't you think?
- 1460
- 01:18:19,392 --> 01:18:22,260
- Hey, we're building awareness.
- How about Daniel Ellsberg?
- 1461
- 01:18:22,262 --> 01:18:24,130
- He leaked
- the Pentagon Papers.
- 1462
- 01:18:24,132 --> 01:18:25,764
- I know who Ellsberg is,
- Martin.
- 1463
- 01:18:25,766 --> 01:18:27,332
- Of course you do.
- Forgive me.
- 1464
- 01:18:27,334 --> 01:18:30,702
- Well, Ellsberg
- described it as...
- 1465
- 01:18:30,704 --> 01:18:33,304
- "The most important and
- courageous leak I've ever seen.
- 1466
- 01:18:33,306 --> 01:18:34,941
- "No one else has ever done
- what she did.
- 1467
- 01:18:34,943 --> 01:18:37,210
- "Tell secret truths
- at personal risks
- 1468
- 01:18:37,212 --> 01:18:41,112
- "before an imminent war, in
- time, possibly, to avert it."
- 1469
- 01:18:41,114 --> 01:18:44,218
- Okay, that's classy.
- 1470
- 01:18:50,725 --> 01:18:52,060
- YASAR: I'll be quick.
- 1471
- 01:19:13,748 --> 01:19:15,083
- (KNOCK ON WINDOW)
- 1472
- 01:19:17,819 --> 01:19:19,350
- Are you waiting
- for the tall man?
- 1473
- 01:19:19,352 --> 01:19:21,254
- - The dark-haired one?
- - Yeah.
- 1474
- 01:19:21,256 --> 01:19:23,654
- He was shouting
- that his wife was outside.
- 1475
- 01:19:23,656 --> 01:19:25,157
- - They took him.
- - What?
- 1476
- 01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:26,360
- They took him.
- 1477
- 01:19:37,538 --> 01:19:38,403
- Where is he?
- 1478
- 01:19:38,405 --> 01:19:40,138
- OFFICER:
- Sorry. Who are you?
- 1479
- 01:19:40,140 --> 01:19:42,073
- I'm Yasar Gun's wife.
- Where's my husband?
- 1480
- 01:19:42,075 --> 01:19:45,712
- I'm sorry, ma'am.
- He's scheduled for deportation.
- 1481
- 01:19:46,381 --> 01:19:47,245
- What?
- 1482
- 01:19:47,247 --> 01:19:49,046
- No. No, no. Uh, no, no.
- 1483
- 01:19:49,048 --> 01:19:51,317
- Look, look, there's been
- some sort of mistake.
- 1484
- 01:19:51,319 --> 01:19:53,285
- I need to see my husband
- right now.
- 1485
- 01:19:53,287 --> 01:19:55,289
- I'm afraid
- that's not possible.
- 1486
- 01:19:56,190 --> 01:19:57,923
- OFFICER:
- You can't go in there!
- 1487
- 01:19:57,925 --> 01:19:59,858
- Please. Please,
- please, please, please.
- 1488
- 01:19:59,860 --> 01:20:01,225
- Let me see him, please.
- 1489
- 01:20:01,227 --> 01:20:02,428
- Please, he doesn't
- have anything with him.
- 1490
- 01:20:02,430 --> 01:20:03,728
- He doesn't even
- have any money.
- 1491
- 01:20:03,730 --> 01:20:06,697
- OFFICER: I'm sorry.
- They've already taken him.
- 1492
- 01:20:06,699 --> 01:20:08,767
- KATHARINE: No, no.
- They won't say where.
- 1493
- 01:20:08,769 --> 01:20:10,868
- I don't know. Oh, God, James,
- I don't know what to do.
- 1494
- 01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:13,471
- JAMES: Katharine, I'm so sorry.
- I'm at the Hague.
- 1495
- 01:20:13,473 --> 01:20:15,273
- - Who's your MP?
- - I don't know.
- 1496
- 01:20:15,275 --> 01:20:17,175
- - Is it Nigel Jones?
- - Nigel Jones, yes. Yeah.
- 1497
- 01:20:17,177 --> 01:20:18,411
- Do you have
- your marriage certificate?
- 1498
- 01:20:18,413 --> 01:20:19,944
- - Uh, yeah, yeah, somewhere.
- - Right.
- 1499
- 01:20:19,946 --> 01:20:22,480
- Find it and
- I'll track Nigel down.
- 1500
- 01:20:22,482 --> 01:20:23,749
- Of course they're legally
- married, Beverly.
- 1501
- 01:20:23,751 --> 01:20:25,617
- I'm holding their
- marriage certificate.
- 1502
- 01:20:25,619 --> 01:20:26,852
- BEVERLY: I'm sorry,
- but his application
- 1503
- 01:20:26,854 --> 01:20:28,853
- to remain in this country
- has been denied.
- 1504
- 01:20:28,855 --> 01:20:29,955
- Mistakenly.
- 1505
- 01:20:29,957 --> 01:20:31,456
- He's complied
- with every directive
- 1506
- 01:20:31,458 --> 01:20:32,558
- your department's issued.
- 1507
- 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,492
- Nigel, your constituent
- is accused
- 1508
- 01:20:34,494 --> 01:20:35,926
- of betraying her country.
- 1509
- 01:20:35,928 --> 01:20:37,996
- Do you really think we should
- be helping her husband?
- 1510
- 01:20:37,998 --> 01:20:40,800
- I think deporting her husband
- when she's facing a trial
- 1511
- 01:20:40,802 --> 01:20:43,304
- looks like state bullying.
- 1512
- 01:20:46,373 --> 01:20:49,073
- All right,
- I'll review his paperwork.
- 1513
- 01:20:49,075 --> 01:20:50,710
- NIGEL: Thank you.
- 1514
- 01:20:50,712 --> 01:20:53,548
- - And please make sure he's not flown out tonight.
- - (CALL DISCONNECTS)
- 1515
- 01:20:55,482 --> 01:20:57,950
- I'm sorry.
- Best I can do for now.
- 1516
- 01:20:57,952 --> 01:21:01,118
- I promise I will pick this up
- first thing tomorrow.
- 1517
- 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,755
- - (TELEPHONE RINGING)
- - Hello?
- 1518
- 01:21:02,757 --> 01:21:05,323
- JAMES: We tracked him to
- Harmondsworth Detention Center.
- 1519
- 01:21:05,325 --> 01:21:07,760
- It's a deportation center
- at Heathrow Airport
- 1520
- 01:21:07,762 --> 01:21:09,560
- right off the M-25.
- 1521
- 01:21:09,562 --> 01:21:11,496
- Go to the main gate
- and wait there.
- 1522
- 01:21:11,498 --> 01:21:12,898
- KATHARINE: Uh, are they
- gonna release him?
- 1523
- 01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:15,401
- JAMES: We have ministerial
- approval but no paperwork yet.
- 1524
- 01:21:15,403 --> 01:21:17,035
- There is a possibility
- 1525
- 01:21:17,037 --> 01:21:19,237
- he's already
- been put on a plane.
- 1526
- 01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:20,605
- - What?
- - Yeah, I'm checking.
- 1527
- 01:21:20,607 --> 01:21:22,273
- Just get there
- as soon as you can.
- 1528
- 01:21:22,275 --> 01:21:25,445
- GUARD: Out you go.
- Let's go. Move it.
- 1529
- 01:21:28,281 --> 01:21:30,482
- This is a mistake, sir.
- 1530
- 01:21:30,484 --> 01:21:32,520
- - This is a mistake.
- - Come on.
- 1531
- 01:21:33,887 --> 01:21:35,888
- Please.
- 1532
- 01:21:35,890 --> 01:21:38,760
- I need to call my wife.
- I must call my wife!
- 1533
- 01:21:39,627 --> 01:21:41,562
- (TIRES SKIDDING)
- 1534
- 01:21:55,743 --> 01:21:57,312
- (HONKING)
- 1535
- 01:22:03,016 --> 01:22:05,017
- (HORN BLARES)
- 1536
- 01:22:05,019 --> 01:22:06,221
- GUARD: Next in line.
- 1537
- 01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:20,334
- (AIRPLANE DRONING)
- 1538
- 01:22:29,743 --> 01:22:30,745
- KATHARINE: Hello?
- 1539
- 01:22:34,114 --> 01:22:35,450
- (KNOCKS)
- 1540
- 01:22:35,917 --> 01:22:36,985
- Hello?
- 1541
- 01:22:39,921 --> 01:22:41,756
- (PHONE RINGING)
- 1542
- 01:22:45,059 --> 01:22:46,261
- Yeah?
- 1543
- 01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,760
- KATHARINE: James, James, um,
- 1544
- 01:22:48,762 --> 01:22:51,196
- I don't know if I'm
- even at the right place.
- 1545
- 01:22:51,198 --> 01:22:53,232
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know,
- but it's 4:00 a.m.
- 1546
- 01:22:53,234 --> 01:22:55,700
- There's nobody to talk to.
- 1547
- 01:22:55,702 --> 01:22:58,439
- Wait, wait.
- Someone's coming. Wait.
- 1548
- 01:23:00,074 --> 01:23:01,576
- Oh, my God.
- Oh, my God.
- 1549
- 01:23:03,610 --> 01:23:05,477
- I'm so sorry.
- I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
- 1550
- 01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:06,644
- - It's all right.
- - You okay?
- 1551
- 01:23:06,646 --> 01:23:07,712
- - I'm okay.
- - Are you okay?
- 1552
- 01:23:07,714 --> 01:23:09,449
- - You're okay?
- - Yeah, yeah.
- 1553
- 01:23:16,757 --> 01:23:18,223
- If they try and pull
- anything like that again,
- 1554
- 01:23:18,225 --> 01:23:19,323
- then I want
- to go public.
- 1555
- 01:23:19,325 --> 01:23:20,858
- - Not a good idea.
- - Why not?
- 1556
- 01:23:20,860 --> 01:23:23,260
- Because people are fickle.
- Many will hate you.
- 1557
- 01:23:23,262 --> 01:23:25,096
- Your personal lives
- will be picked apart,
- 1558
- 01:23:25,098 --> 01:23:26,697
- your marriage
- will be interrogated.
- 1559
- 01:23:26,699 --> 01:23:28,567
- In fact, we think
- it will be best
- 1560
- 01:23:28,569 --> 01:23:31,502
- if Yasar was kept
- well out of this.
- 1561
- 01:23:31,504 --> 01:23:34,007
- You should probably
- not attend the trial.
- 1562
- 01:23:35,441 --> 01:23:38,276
- - I understand.
- - What? No.
- 1563
- 01:23:38,278 --> 01:23:40,444
- Janum, we both know
- the jury will prefer
- 1564
- 01:23:40,446 --> 01:23:42,179
- an English girl without
- an immigrant husband.
- 1565
- 01:23:42,181 --> 01:23:43,514
- You know what?
- That is ridiculous.
- 1566
- 01:23:43,516 --> 01:23:45,951
- We are married and we have
- nothing to be ashamed of.
- 1567
- 01:23:45,953 --> 01:23:47,719
- The shame is on them, not you.
- 1568
- 01:23:47,721 --> 01:23:51,624
- You don't need to risk
- your freedom to prove it.
- 1569
- 01:23:51,626 --> 01:23:54,425
- We should discuss
- how you'll plead.
- 1570
- 01:23:54,427 --> 01:23:55,626
- Not guilty.
- 1571
- 01:23:55,628 --> 01:23:57,729
- SHAMI: But you understand
- you confessed.
- 1572
- 01:23:57,731 --> 01:24:01,200
- I confessed that I leaked a memo
- in order to try and save lives.
- 1573
- 01:24:01,202 --> 01:24:05,804
- And we will use that argument
- to ask for a reduced sentence.
- 1574
- 01:24:05,806 --> 01:24:08,773
- If you do plead guilty,
- there will be no jury.
- 1575
- 01:24:08,775 --> 01:24:11,143
- You could be out of jail
- in less than six months.
- 1576
- 01:24:11,145 --> 01:24:12,777
- Given how badly
- the war is going,
- 1577
- 01:24:12,779 --> 01:24:15,179
- we think a judge
- is likely to be sympathetic.
- 1578
- 01:24:15,181 --> 01:24:17,515
- But I'd have
- a criminal record.
- 1579
- 01:24:17,517 --> 01:24:18,849
- JAMES: That is true.
- 1580
- 01:24:18,851 --> 01:24:21,487
- Which I would carry with me
- for the rest of my life
- 1581
- 01:24:21,489 --> 01:24:23,087
- into every job interview,
- 1582
- 01:24:23,089 --> 01:24:24,255
- every application for credit.
- 1583
- 01:24:24,257 --> 01:24:26,157
- - Yes.
- - And I'm sorry.
- 1584
- 01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,893
- We would be conceding
- 1585
- 01:24:28,895 --> 01:24:32,163
- that no one in Intelligence can
- ever tell the British people
- 1586
- 01:24:32,165 --> 01:24:33,866
- when their government
- is lying.
- 1587
- 01:24:33,868 --> 01:24:35,334
- JAMES: Not when
- the lies are protected
- 1588
- 01:24:35,336 --> 01:24:37,702
- by the
- Official Secrets Act, no.
- 1589
- 01:24:37,704 --> 01:24:39,036
- I'm sorry.
- This is all a charade.
- 1590
- 01:24:39,038 --> 01:24:40,872
- I mean, if you're saying
- that I have to plead guilty
- 1591
- 01:24:40,874 --> 01:24:43,642
- because the act allows
- absolutely no defense whatsoever,
- 1592
- 01:24:43,644 --> 01:24:46,045
- then the very idea
- of a fair trial is a joke.
- 1593
- 01:24:46,047 --> 01:24:47,779
- I'm sorry,
- Katharine,
- 1594
- 01:24:47,781 --> 01:24:51,783
- but the best we can do is
- ask a judge for leniency.
- 1595
- 01:24:51,785 --> 01:24:54,551
- Post Belgrano, there
- really is no defense
- 1596
- 01:24:54,553 --> 01:24:56,087
- to a breach of
- the Official Secrets Act...
- 1597
- 01:24:56,089 --> 01:24:57,992
- Except perhaps one.
- 1598
- 01:24:58,959 --> 01:25:00,593
- Katharine said it herself.
- 1599
- 01:25:00,595 --> 01:25:03,295
- She leaked the memo
- to try to save lives.
- 1600
- 01:25:03,297 --> 01:25:04,728
- But she still
- broke the law.
- 1601
- 01:25:04,730 --> 01:25:07,032
- Yes, but there are circumstances
- where you can break the law.
- 1602
- 01:25:07,034 --> 01:25:09,835
- It's only in situations
- of absolute necessity...
- 1603
- 01:25:09,837 --> 01:25:12,304
- - Necessity. Exactly.
- - Ben, you're reaching.
- 1604
- 01:25:12,306 --> 01:25:15,608
- Am I? What are the requirements
- for a defense of necessity?
- 1605
- 01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:17,643
- Imminent threat to your life
- or the lives of others.
- 1606
- 01:25:17,645 --> 01:25:20,246
- Yeah, and no other reasonable
- way to prevent loss of life.
- 1607
- 01:25:20,248 --> 01:25:21,813
- Yes, right, well,
- the invasion posed
- 1608
- 01:25:21,815 --> 01:25:23,915
- an imminent threat
- to thousands of lives.
- 1609
- 01:25:23,917 --> 01:25:25,850
- Katharine has no right
- to try and prevent a war
- 1610
- 01:25:25,852 --> 01:25:27,118
- authorized by
- the Attorney General.
- 1611
- 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,488
- - Unless the war is illegal.
- - SHAMI AND JAMES: What?
- 1612
- 01:25:30,490 --> 01:25:33,724
- - (CHUCKLES)
- - Wait, wait, so now we're going to put the war on trial?
- 1613
- 01:25:33,726 --> 01:25:34,893
- BEN: Yes.
- 1614
- 01:25:34,895 --> 01:25:39,363
- I believe that Katharine Gun
- tried to stop an illegal war.
- 1615
- 01:25:39,365 --> 01:25:41,066
- What she did was necessary
- 1616
- 01:25:41,068 --> 01:25:44,435
- to try to save thousands of
- British-American and Iraqi lives.
- 1617
- 01:25:44,437 --> 01:25:47,538
- And Goldsmith
- specifically stated
- 1618
- 01:25:47,540 --> 01:25:49,040
- that the invasion was legal.
- 1619
- 01:25:49,042 --> 01:25:51,910
- He said so only three days
- before the invasion.
- 1620
- 01:25:51,912 --> 01:25:53,312
- What was his position
- before that?
- 1621
- 01:25:53,314 --> 01:25:56,081
- What was his advice at the
- time Katharine leaked the memo?
- 1622
- 01:25:56,083 --> 01:25:57,948
- - Well, we have no idea.
- - Well, I'd like to find out.
- 1623
- 01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:59,584
- Because Blair spent
- a lot of energy
- 1624
- 01:25:59,586 --> 01:26:02,187
- trying to secure
- a new UN resolution.
- 1625
- 01:26:02,189 --> 01:26:03,421
- I suppose.
- 1626
- 01:26:03,423 --> 01:26:05,590
- When Lord Goldsmith
- finally said
- 1627
- 01:26:05,592 --> 01:26:09,161
- the war was legal,
- his deputy legal advisor resigned.
- 1628
- 01:26:09,163 --> 01:26:10,961
- Yes, Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
- Yeah, that's right.
- 1629
- 01:26:10,963 --> 01:26:12,496
- - She resigned. Yes, yes.
- - SHAMI: But she didn't say why.
- 1630
- 01:26:12,498 --> 01:26:14,032
- KATHARINE: She couldn't.
- 1631
- 01:26:14,034 --> 01:26:16,001
- If she did, she'd be charged
- under the Official Secrets Act.
- 1632
- 01:26:16,003 --> 01:26:18,202
- So I need to get a meeting
- with Elizabeth Wilmshurst.
- 1633
- 01:26:18,204 --> 01:26:20,171
- - She's not gonna go public.
- - BEN: She doesn't have to.
- 1634
- 01:26:20,173 --> 01:26:21,406
- All we need is a hint
- 1635
- 01:26:21,408 --> 01:26:24,242
- that Goldsmith changed his mind
- about the legality of the war.
- 1636
- 01:26:24,244 --> 01:26:28,179
- I'm sorry, Ben. There are two
- ways they could justify war.
- 1637
- 01:26:28,181 --> 01:26:30,447
- - We've only addressed one.
- - So what am I missing?
- 1638
- 01:26:30,449 --> 01:26:31,916
- - Self-defense.
- - Oh, come on.
- 1639
- 01:26:31,918 --> 01:26:33,852
- Does anyone honestly believe
- that this country
- 1640
- 01:26:33,854 --> 01:26:35,621
- was about to be attacked
- by Iraq?
- 1641
- 01:26:35,623 --> 01:26:37,923
- I do agree, but that's why
- they trotted out Powell.
- 1642
- 01:26:37,925 --> 01:26:40,157
- - To make the case for WMDs.
- - Oh.
- 1643
- 01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:41,960
- If it's true that Iraq has
- weapons of mass destruction
- 1644
- 01:26:41,962 --> 01:26:44,595
- that pose an imminent threat
- to this country,
- 1645
- 01:26:44,597 --> 01:26:48,567
- the war is legal
- without a UN resolution.
- 1646
- 01:26:48,569 --> 01:26:49,901
- How many people
- actually believe
- 1647
- 01:26:49,903 --> 01:26:51,803
- Iraq still has weapons
- of mass destruction?
- 1648
- 01:26:51,805 --> 01:26:53,272
- SHAMI: Well,
- they're still looking.
- 1649
- 01:26:53,274 --> 01:26:56,711
- If we go down this route,
- we better pray none are found.
- 1650
- 01:26:58,913 --> 01:27:01,649
- BEN: I'm gonna get
- Elizabeth Wilmshurst's number.
- 1651
- 01:27:04,185 --> 01:27:06,885
- You've put me
- in a rather awkward position.
- 1652
- 01:27:06,887 --> 01:27:10,955
- I'm sorry, but thank you
- for seeing me.
- 1653
- 01:27:10,957 --> 01:27:14,024
- I think what she did
- took great courage.
- 1654
- 01:27:14,026 --> 01:27:17,862
- And she was naive,
- of course, but brave.
- 1655
- 01:27:17,864 --> 01:27:20,935
- And you were
- brave enough to resign.
- 1656
- 01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:26,638
- But not to
- speak out in public.
- 1657
- 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:30,041
- If I had, I might have caused
- more of a brouhaha.
- 1658
- 01:27:30,043 --> 01:27:31,910
- Sparked a proper debate.
- 1659
- 01:27:31,912 --> 01:27:36,083
- Can I ask you, uh,
- how did you resign?
- 1660
- 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,756
- I wrote a letter.
- 1661
- 01:27:43,056 --> 01:27:46,191
- And in that letter,
- did you give a reason
- 1662
- 01:27:46,193 --> 01:27:48,225
- for your resignation?
- 1663
- 01:27:48,227 --> 01:27:51,563
- I restated my position on
- the legality of going to war.
- 1664
- 01:27:51,565 --> 01:27:53,430
- Which was?
- 1665
- 01:27:53,432 --> 01:27:55,800
- That it would
- not be lawful to use force
- 1666
- 01:27:55,802 --> 01:27:59,170
- without a new
- Security Council resolution.
- 1667
- 01:27:59,172 --> 01:28:03,910
- Um, did Goldsmith initially
- support your view?
- 1668
- 01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:06,879
- He did.
- 1669
- 01:28:06,881 --> 01:28:09,113
- He told Blair that
- if military action were taken,
- 1670
- 01:28:09,115 --> 01:28:11,282
- he expected
- the government to be accused
- 1671
- 01:28:11,284 --> 01:28:13,820
- of acting unlawfully.
- 1672
- 01:28:15,321 --> 01:28:17,992
- And was that
- a written opinion?
- 1673
- 01:28:19,092 --> 01:28:21,228
- It was a detailed
- advisory document.
- 1674
- 01:28:23,029 --> 01:28:26,363
- Right, so then would that
- have been his position
- 1675
- 01:28:26,365 --> 01:28:29,501
- at the time that Katharine Gun
- printed the Koza memo
- 1676
- 01:28:29,503 --> 01:28:31,105
- on February 3?
- 1677
- 01:28:33,540 --> 01:28:34,742
- Yes.
- 1678
- 01:28:36,976 --> 01:28:39,046
- And then
- he went to Washington.
- 1679
- 01:28:39,946 --> 01:28:41,380
- Oh, really?
- 1680
- 01:28:41,382 --> 01:28:46,053
- - Well, who did he meet there?
- - I wasn't given details.
- 1681
- 01:28:47,154 --> 01:28:50,822
- But after that trip,
- his opinion changed.
- 1682
- 01:28:50,824 --> 01:28:53,959
- In nine short paragraphs,
- he said that
- 1683
- 01:28:53,961 --> 01:28:57,528
- the UN's authorization
- for the 1991 Gulf War
- 1684
- 01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:59,965
- could be reactivated
- 1685
- 01:28:59,967 --> 01:29:02,401
- to legitimize
- a new war with Iraq.
- 1686
- 01:29:02,403 --> 01:29:05,702
- He told the Prime Minister
- what he wanted to hear?
- 1687
- 01:29:05,704 --> 01:29:07,839
- At best, he was
- persuaded to support
- 1688
- 01:29:07,841 --> 01:29:10,474
- a really fringe point of view.
- 1689
- 01:29:10,476 --> 01:29:13,644
- - Oh, really fringe.
- - Yeah.
- 1690
- 01:29:13,646 --> 01:29:15,749
- (TELEPHONE RINGING)
- 1691
- 01:29:19,418 --> 01:29:21,118
- - Martin Bright.
- - Martin.
- 1692
- 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,420
- - Ben.
- - Ben.
- 1693
- 01:29:22,422 --> 01:29:23,854
- I took
- your whistleblower's case.
- 1694
- 01:29:23,856 --> 01:29:26,291
- Yes, I heard.
- Can I meet her?
- 1695
- 01:29:26,293 --> 01:29:28,760
- No, not yet, Martin.
- I don't want a media frenzy.
- 1696
- 01:29:28,762 --> 01:29:30,062
- Okay. When she's ready.
- 1697
- 01:29:30,064 --> 01:29:32,296
- Before some hack
- tracks her down.
- 1698
- 01:29:32,298 --> 01:29:34,532
- Come on, Ben, I broke her story.
- I'm on her side.
- 1699
- 01:29:34,534 --> 01:29:36,234
- Well, you can help
- by finding out
- 1700
- 01:29:36,236 --> 01:29:38,803
- why the Attorney General
- went to Washington
- 1701
- 01:29:38,805 --> 01:29:40,671
- just before the war started.
- 1702
- 01:29:40,673 --> 01:29:43,175
- Wait, Goldsmith went to DC?
- 1703
- 01:29:43,177 --> 01:29:44,876
- I'd like to know
- who he met there.
- 1704
- 01:29:44,878 --> 01:29:46,044
- Right. I'm on it.
- 1705
- 01:29:46,046 --> 01:29:48,479
- - And how is Peter?
- - Peter is in Iraq.
- 1706
- 01:29:48,481 --> 01:29:50,782
- Yeah, yeah, I know.
- I've been reading his articles.
- 1707
- 01:29:50,784 --> 01:29:53,050
- Listen, if he hears anything,
- even a hint
- 1708
- 01:29:53,052 --> 01:29:56,287
- that Saddam really did have
- weapons of mass destruction,
- 1709
- 01:29:56,289 --> 01:29:57,456
- then please call me.
- 1710
- 01:29:57,458 --> 01:29:59,590
- Of course. Can I ask why?
- 1711
- 01:29:59,592 --> 01:30:01,559
- Well, let's just say
- that if WMD are found,
- 1712
- 01:30:01,561 --> 01:30:04,862
- then defending Katharine will
- be a little more complicated.
- 1713
- 01:30:04,864 --> 01:30:06,697
- - I'll get back to you.
- - All right, thank you.
- 1714
- 01:30:06,699 --> 01:30:08,135
- Okay. Thank you. Bye.
- 1715
- 01:30:09,235 --> 01:30:10,102
- (WHISTLES)
- 1716
- 01:30:10,104 --> 01:30:11,935
- There's thousands
- of inspectors here
- 1717
- 01:30:11,937 --> 01:30:14,139
- from the US Army,
- the British Army
- 1718
- 01:30:14,141 --> 01:30:15,773
- the CIA, FBI.
- 1719
- 01:30:15,775 --> 01:30:17,175
- MARTIN: And still nothing?
- 1720
- 01:30:17,177 --> 01:30:20,510
- No, no, not a fucking thing.
- Nothing.
- 1721
- 01:30:20,512 --> 01:30:23,380
- Anyway, some Polish troops found
- a cache of Sarin gas warheads
- 1722
- 01:30:23,382 --> 01:30:25,884
- dating back to the Iran-Iraq
- War, but they were all empty.
- 1723
- 01:30:25,886 --> 01:30:27,618
- And right now, I'm standing
- in a glass factory
- 1724
- 01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:31,792
- and all they've found is piles
- of silica sand and soda ash.
- 1725
- 01:30:34,028 --> 01:30:34,926
- So, yeah.
- 1726
- 01:30:34,928 --> 01:30:36,862
- Things must be getting ugly
- in Washington.
- 1727
- 01:30:36,864 --> 01:30:39,063
- Well, you should talk to Ed.
- 1728
- 01:30:39,065 --> 01:30:41,465
- Maybe we could end up doing
- a joint piece or something.
- 1729
- 01:30:41,467 --> 01:30:43,167
- (EXPLOSIONS)
- 1730
- 01:30:43,169 --> 01:30:45,603
- - Peter, what was that?
- - No, no, no.
- 1731
- 01:30:45,605 --> 01:30:48,105
- It's just our guys detonating
- some conventional ordnance.
- 1732
- 01:30:48,107 --> 01:30:49,707
- - They don't wanna have...
- - Jesus.
- 1733
- 01:30:49,709 --> 01:30:52,510
- ...kids finding unexploded
- shit in the rubble.
- 1734
- 01:30:52,512 --> 01:30:54,979
- All right, talk soon.
- Take care.
- 1735
- 01:30:54,981 --> 01:30:57,916
- - Yeah, all right, mate. Bye.
- - (CLAMORING)
- 1736
- 01:30:57,918 --> 01:31:00,285
- - February 11.
- - MARTIN: What?
- 1737
- 01:31:00,287 --> 01:31:03,121
- ED: Goldsmith's in DC
- meeting with the attorneys
- 1738
- 01:31:03,123 --> 01:31:05,290
- for Bush, Powell,
- Rumsfeld and Rice.
- 1739
- 01:31:05,292 --> 01:31:07,325
- - Okay, hold on...
- - But that's not the big story.
- 1740
- 01:31:07,327 --> 01:31:10,728
- The really big story
- is the OSP.
- 1741
- 01:31:10,730 --> 01:31:12,296
- The Office of Special Plans.
- 1742
- 01:31:12,298 --> 01:31:14,831
- Turns out when Bush wasn't getting
- the intelligence he wanted,
- 1743
- 01:31:14,833 --> 01:31:17,669
- Rumsfeld bypassed the CIA
- 1744
- 01:31:17,671 --> 01:31:20,071
- and set up his own
- intelligence unit.
- 1745
- 01:31:20,073 --> 01:31:22,372
- They fed
- raw unvetted intelligence
- 1746
- 01:31:22,374 --> 01:31:25,876
- to Bush and Powell
- who lied us into a war!
- 1747
- 01:31:25,878 --> 01:31:27,578
- Yeah. Okay, Ed.
- I appreciate that.
- 1748
- 01:31:27,580 --> 01:31:29,014
- But let's, first, try and help
- 1749
- 01:31:29,016 --> 01:31:30,848
- a young woman
- stay out of prison.
- 1750
- 01:31:30,850 --> 01:31:33,050
- Uh, you said Goldsmith
- met Bush's lawyers
- 1751
- 01:31:33,052 --> 01:31:35,120
- on February 11.
- Who were those lawyers?
- 1752
- 01:31:35,122 --> 01:31:36,987
- "John Ashcroft,
- Alberto Gonzales,
- 1753
- 01:31:36,989 --> 01:31:40,125
- William Taft, Jim Haynes,
- John Bellinger."
- 1754
- 01:31:40,127 --> 01:31:43,327
- The attorneys for Bush,
- Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice.
- 1755
- 01:31:43,329 --> 01:31:46,096
- Wow. They really
- turned up the heat.
- 1756
- 01:31:46,098 --> 01:31:49,099
- You know, I almost
- feel sorry for Goldsmith.
- 1757
- 01:31:49,101 --> 01:31:52,402
- Don't. He fucking caved when
- his country needed him most.
- 1758
- 01:31:52,404 --> 01:31:54,773
- - That's a great headline, mate.
- - It bloody is.
- 1759
- 01:31:54,775 --> 01:31:56,375
- - (CHUCKLES) All right.
- - Print it.
- 1760
- 01:31:56,377 --> 01:31:58,343
- - Yeah. Bye.
- - We'll share the byline.
- 1761
- 01:31:58,345 --> 01:31:59,777
- Bye.
- 1762
- 01:31:59,779 --> 01:32:01,112
- Nutter.
- 1763
- 01:32:01,114 --> 01:32:03,048
- MARTIN: Goldsmith was
- under tremendous pressure
- 1764
- 01:32:03,050 --> 01:32:04,648
- before he went to Washington.
- 1765
- 01:32:04,650 --> 01:32:06,283
- Our military were
- refusing to invade
- 1766
- 01:32:06,285 --> 01:32:07,986
- without a clear legal opinion
- from him
- 1767
- 01:32:07,988 --> 01:32:09,586
- that what they were doing
- was legal
- 1768
- 01:32:09,588 --> 01:32:11,156
- in case of a war crimes trial.
- 1769
- 01:32:11,158 --> 01:32:13,057
- Thank you, Martin,
- very helpful.
- 1770
- 01:32:13,059 --> 01:32:14,693
- Well, no, hang on,
- hang on, hang on.
- 1771
- 01:32:14,695 --> 01:32:15,992
- Do you think
- you have a defense?
- 1772
- 01:32:15,994 --> 01:32:17,495
- - We're working on it.
- - Okay.
- 1773
- 01:32:17,497 --> 01:32:19,163
- - Let me know when you do.
- - Well, you'll hear it in court.
- 1774
- 01:32:19,165 --> 01:32:20,965
- - Come on, Ben.
- - Bye.
- 1775
- 01:32:20,967 --> 01:32:22,901
- - He's persistent.
- - He is.
- 1776
- 01:32:22,903 --> 01:32:24,102
- But it's your story
- 1777
- 01:32:24,104 --> 01:32:26,703
- and you don't need
- a media trial.
- 1778
- 01:32:26,705 --> 01:32:29,741
- We should request full
- disclosure of all legal advice
- 1779
- 01:32:29,743 --> 01:32:33,310
- given by Goldsmith in the year
- leading up to the invasion.
- 1780
- 01:32:33,312 --> 01:32:35,179
- He'll almost certainly
- refuse to comply.
- 1781
- 01:32:35,181 --> 01:32:37,148
- Then we'll
- subpoena Wilmshurst.
- 1782
- 01:32:37,150 --> 01:32:40,085
- Hell, we'll subpoena Goldsmith himself.
- And Blair too.
- 1783
- 01:32:40,087 --> 01:32:44,255
- Ben, if we can't prove that
- Goldsmith changed his advice,
- 1784
- 01:32:44,257 --> 01:32:48,062
- we can't argue that Katharine
- tried to stop an illegal war.
- 1785
- 01:32:48,529 --> 01:32:49,897
- What then?
- 1786
- 01:32:58,404 --> 01:33:02,275
- - Then I'll be found guilty.
- - BEN: Almost certainly, yes.
- 1787
- 01:33:09,516 --> 01:33:12,684
- So, do you want
- to risk it all
- 1788
- 01:33:12,686 --> 01:33:17,889
- and ask for disclosure
- of the government's documents,
- 1789
- 01:33:17,891 --> 01:33:19,323
- or would you
- rather plead guilty
- 1790
- 01:33:19,325 --> 01:33:22,195
- and hope
- for a reduced sentence?
- 1791
- 01:33:28,635 --> 01:33:30,301
- (SIGHS)
- 1792
- 01:33:30,303 --> 01:33:31,504
- I think...
- 1793
- 01:33:33,272 --> 01:33:36,644
- ...we were lied
- into an illegal war.
- 1794
- 01:33:42,681 --> 01:33:44,584
- Let's ask for the documents.
- 1795
- 01:33:50,891 --> 01:33:52,159
- All right.
- 1796
- 01:34:13,812 --> 01:34:15,582
- (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING)
- 1797
- 01:34:16,415 --> 01:34:17,952
- (CLAMORING)
- 1798
- 01:34:22,388 --> 01:34:23,988
- You ready?
- 1799
- 01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:25,889
- No statements now,
- remember.
- 1800
- 01:34:25,891 --> 01:34:27,627
- Let's just get through
- those doors.
- 1801
- 01:34:36,035 --> 01:34:38,038
- (CLAMORING CONTINUES)
- 1802
- 01:34:50,650 --> 01:34:53,151
- - JAMES: Katharine, you okay?
- - KATHARINE: Yeah.
- 1803
- 01:34:53,153 --> 01:34:54,986
- JAMES: Ben's already
- in the courtroom
- 1804
- 01:34:54,988 --> 01:34:57,255
- but he wanted you to
- meet Martin Bright.
- 1805
- 01:34:57,257 --> 01:34:59,724
- Uh, he's covering the trial.
- 1806
- 01:34:59,726 --> 01:35:01,526
- Katharine, it's an honor.
- 1807
- 01:35:01,528 --> 01:35:04,161
- I'll be in the press gallery.
- I hope that's all right?
- 1808
- 01:35:04,163 --> 01:35:06,965
- Yeah, uh, yeah. You...
- 1809
- 01:35:06,967 --> 01:35:09,600
- You took a real risk.
- 1810
- 01:35:09,602 --> 01:35:11,368
- No, you took the risk.
- 1811
- 01:35:11,370 --> 01:35:12,938
- I think what you did
- was extraordinary.
- 1812
- 01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:15,673
- I think what you exposed
- was extraordinary.
- 1813
- 01:35:15,675 --> 01:35:17,375
- All our institutions
- failed us.
- 1814
- 01:35:17,377 --> 01:35:19,210
- The government,
- the intelligence services,
- 1815
- 01:35:19,212 --> 01:35:22,346
- the press,
- they failed us categorically.
- 1816
- 01:35:22,348 --> 01:35:25,183
- Even my own paper supported
- the war before that memo.
- 1817
- 01:35:25,185 --> 01:35:26,718
- Well, thank you
- for being here.
- 1818
- 01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:28,819
- No, thank you.
- 1819
- 01:35:28,821 --> 01:35:32,159
- It's important what you did.
- It matters.
- 1820
- 01:35:33,525 --> 01:35:36,094
- - JAMES: We should go in, Martin.
- - MARTIN: Yes.
- 1821
- 01:35:36,096 --> 01:35:39,700
- Sorry, James. Yes.
- Uh, be strong.
- 1822
- 01:35:42,302 --> 01:35:44,801
- Katharine,
- you're going that way.
- 1823
- 01:35:44,803 --> 01:35:46,670
- Uh, can I just have a moment?
- 1824
- 01:35:46,672 --> 01:35:48,474
- - Of course.
- - Thanks.
- 1825
- 01:35:51,511 --> 01:35:53,577
- You should leave that
- behind, ma'am.
- 1826
- 01:35:53,579 --> 01:35:56,315
- Uh, yeah, sorry,
- can I just have a second? Just...
- 1827
- 01:36:05,190 --> 01:36:06,924
- (CELL PHONE RINGS)
- 1828
- 01:36:06,926 --> 01:36:08,425
- Janum?
- 1829
- 01:36:08,427 --> 01:36:11,664
- Hi. Um, I'm about to go in.
- 1830
- 01:36:15,735 --> 01:36:17,104
- I love you.
- 1831
- 01:36:18,504 --> 01:36:20,671
- I love you too.
- 1832
- 01:36:20,673 --> 01:36:24,709
- Uh, I'm gonna try
- and call as soon as I can.
- 1833
- 01:36:24,711 --> 01:36:26,579
- I wish I was there with you.
- 1834
- 01:36:29,716 --> 01:36:31,084
- I know.
- 1835
- 01:36:32,019 --> 01:36:33,651
- I'm so sorry.
- 1836
- 01:36:33,653 --> 01:36:36,256
- You have nothing
- to be sorry for.
- 1837
- 01:36:37,422 --> 01:36:41,127
- I'm so proud of you.
- So proud of you.
- 1838
- 01:36:43,497 --> 01:36:45,399
- (SNIFFLES) Bye.
- 1839
- 01:36:46,867 --> 01:36:48,135
- Bye.
- 1840
- 01:36:54,106 --> 01:36:55,641
- - SECURITY: Miss?
- - (SNIFFLES)
- 1841
- 01:36:56,943 --> 01:36:58,145
- Sorry.
- 1842
- 01:36:58,811 --> 01:37:00,478
- I can take your bag.
- 1843
- 01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:03,117
- - We'll see you in there, okay?
- - Yeah.
- 1844
- 01:37:34,379 --> 01:37:37,217
- Your scarf and jacket,
- please.
- 1845
- 01:37:42,521 --> 01:37:45,591
- Okay, and then
- if you'll raise your arms.
- 1846
- 01:37:59,506 --> 01:38:00,507
- Okay.
- 1847
- 01:38:03,944 --> 01:38:05,379
- (PICKS UP RECEIVER)
- 1848
- 01:38:05,811 --> 01:38:06,946
- She's here.
- 1849
- 01:38:07,881 --> 01:38:09,813
- Right. Okay.
- 1850
- 01:38:09,815 --> 01:38:10,950
- Judge is ready.
- 1851
- 01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:22,428
- Up you go.
- 1852
- 01:38:44,418 --> 01:38:47,285
- CLERK: Are you
- Katharine Teresa Gun?
- 1853
- 01:38:47,287 --> 01:38:48,419
- (SOFTLY) Yes.
- 1854
- 01:38:48,421 --> 01:38:52,156
- I'm sorry.
- Can you speak up, please?
- 1855
- 01:38:52,158 --> 01:38:53,523
- Yes, I am.
- 1856
- 01:38:53,525 --> 01:38:56,126
- CLERK: "Katharine Teresa Gun,
- 1857
- 01:38:56,128 --> 01:38:57,560
- "you are charged
- with an offense
- 1858
- 01:38:57,562 --> 01:39:00,698
- "contrary to Section 1,
- Subsection 1
- 1859
- 01:39:00,700 --> 01:39:04,501
- "of the Official Secrets Act
- of 1989.
- 1860
- 01:39:04,503 --> 01:39:08,673
- "In that between January 30
- and March 2 of 2003
- 1861
- 01:39:08,675 --> 01:39:11,309
- "you did knowingly
- and intentionally
- 1862
- 01:39:11,311 --> 01:39:14,245
- "disclose top secret
- intelligence information
- 1863
- 01:39:14,247 --> 01:39:16,714
- "contrary to the said act."
- 1864
- 01:39:16,716 --> 01:39:20,654
- How do you plead?
- Guilty or not guilty?
- 1865
- 01:39:22,989 --> 01:39:24,357
- JUDGE: Ms. Gun?
- 1866
- 01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:28,893
- Not guilty.
- 1867
- 01:39:28,895 --> 01:39:30,897
- (AUDIENCE MURMURING)
- 1868
- 01:39:33,033 --> 01:39:35,435
- Yes, Mr. Ellison.
- 1869
- 01:39:39,204 --> 01:39:41,374
- Yes, thank you, My Lord.
- 1870
- 01:39:42,374 --> 01:39:46,111
- My Lord, in light of
- recent developments,
- 1871
- 01:39:46,113 --> 01:39:48,478
- the prosecution
- will offer no evidence
- 1872
- 01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,215
- against the defendant
- on this indictment.
- 1873
- 01:39:51,217 --> 01:39:52,850
- (AUDIENCE MURMURING)
- 1874
- 01:39:52,852 --> 01:39:54,520
- JUDGE: I beg your pardon?
- 1875
- 01:39:56,823 --> 01:40:00,291
- My Lord, the prosecution will
- not pursue the indictment.
- 1876
- 01:40:00,293 --> 01:40:01,561
- JUDGE: Today?
- 1877
- 01:40:02,495 --> 01:40:04,862
- - No, My Lord.
- - JUDGE: I'm sorry.
- 1878
- 01:40:04,864 --> 01:40:08,368
- Are you asking for
- an adjournment, Mr. Ellison?
- 1879
- 01:40:09,334 --> 01:40:10,701
- ELLISON: No, My Lord.
- 1880
- 01:40:10,703 --> 01:40:12,803
- JUDGE: You are saying
- that you do not wish
- 1881
- 01:40:12,805 --> 01:40:15,907
- to proceed at all?
- 1882
- 01:40:15,909 --> 01:40:17,274
- ELLISON: Yes, My Lord.
- 1883
- 01:40:17,276 --> 01:40:19,645
- But the accused confessed.
- 1884
- 01:40:20,881 --> 01:40:21,844
- Yes, My Lord.
- 1885
- 01:40:21,846 --> 01:40:24,615
- JUDGE: And yet you do not
- wish to proceed?
- 1886
- 01:40:24,617 --> 01:40:26,416
- - ELLISON: No, My Lord.
- - JUDGE: I'm sorry.
- 1887
- 01:40:26,418 --> 01:40:28,486
- I find that extraordinary.
- 1888
- 01:40:28,488 --> 01:40:30,524
- Do you care to explain?
- 1889
- 01:40:33,025 --> 01:40:36,559
- My Lord, the accused
- submitted an unusual defense.
- 1890
- 01:40:36,561 --> 01:40:39,162
- Yes. The defense of necessity.
- 1891
- 01:40:39,164 --> 01:40:40,798
- - ELLISON: Yes.
- - And?
- 1892
- 01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,167
- And we do not believe we have
- sufficient evidence to rebut it.
- 1893
- 01:40:44,169 --> 01:40:46,036
- Why not? She confessed.
- 1894
- 01:40:46,038 --> 01:40:47,639
- Because, My Lord,
- 1895
- 01:40:47,641 --> 01:40:50,642
- the documents that
- we have called for would show
- 1896
- 01:40:50,644 --> 01:40:54,045
- that this country was taken
- to war illegally...
- 1897
- 01:40:54,047 --> 01:40:55,379
- (AUDIENCE MURMURING)
- 1898
- 01:40:55,381 --> 01:40:57,915
- ...and may expose
- 1899
- 01:40:57,917 --> 01:41:01,452
- the government to
- charges of war crimes.
- 1900
- 01:41:01,454 --> 01:41:03,890
- - That is absurd!
- - Is it?
- 1901
- 01:41:05,624 --> 01:41:07,692
- Then kindly hand over
- the documents
- 1902
- 01:41:07,694 --> 01:41:10,661
- that we have asked to see.
- 1903
- 01:41:10,663 --> 01:41:12,429
- My Lord, the prosecution
- is not obliged.
- 1904
- 01:41:12,431 --> 01:41:15,765
- Indeed, it is not permitted to continue
- with a case if it does not believe
- 1905
- 01:41:15,767 --> 01:41:18,368
- there is a realistic prospect
- of a conviction.
- 1906
- 01:41:18,370 --> 01:41:20,604
- To do so would be a waste
- of taxpayers' funds.
- 1907
- 01:41:20,606 --> 01:41:22,473
- My Lord, I am thankful
- 1908
- 01:41:22,475 --> 01:41:25,643
- that the charges against
- Ms. Gun are being withdrawn
- 1909
- 01:41:25,645 --> 01:41:28,277
- and that the Crown
- is suddenly so determined
- 1910
- 01:41:28,279 --> 01:41:30,480
- not to waste taxpayers' money.
- 1911
- 01:41:30,482 --> 01:41:33,718
- But surely,
- after months of uncertainty
- 1912
- 01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:38,022
- and severe distress,
- Ms. Gun is entitled to know
- 1913
- 01:41:38,024 --> 01:41:40,925
- why the government
- is dropping this case?
- 1914
- 01:41:40,927 --> 01:41:44,194
- Indeed, the public
- is entitled to know.
- 1915
- 01:41:44,196 --> 01:41:45,998
- - AUDIENCE: Hear, hear.
- - Hear.
- 1916
- 01:41:48,534 --> 01:41:50,069
- JUDGE: Mr. Ellison?
- 1917
- 01:41:53,338 --> 01:41:55,005
- Again, My Lord, we do not feel
- 1918
- 01:41:55,007 --> 01:41:57,908
- we have a realistic prospect
- of a conviction.
- 1919
- 01:41:57,910 --> 01:42:00,046
- There is nothing more
- I can say.
- 1920
- 01:42:01,047 --> 01:42:02,580
- JUDGE: To be clear,
- 1921
- 01:42:02,582 --> 01:42:06,750
- you are withdrawing
- all charges
- 1922
- 01:42:06,752 --> 01:42:09,489
- against
- Katharine Teresa Gun?
- 1923
- 01:42:12,525 --> 01:42:13,657
- Yes, My Lord.
- 1924
- 01:42:13,659 --> 01:42:15,162
- (INDISTINCT CHATTER)
- 1925
- 01:42:24,471 --> 01:42:25,872
- Ms. Gun...
- 1926
- 01:42:31,244 --> 01:42:32,813
- ...you are free to go.
- 1927
- 01:42:34,247 --> 01:42:35,714
- (SIGHS)
- 1928
- 01:42:38,918 --> 01:42:39,986
- (EXHALES)
- 1929
- 01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,215
- REPORTER 1: In a startling about-turn,
- the Crown Prosecution Service
- 1930
- 01:43:11,217 --> 01:43:13,350
- has dropped its case
- against an intelligence...
- 1931
- 01:43:13,352 --> 01:43:16,754
- REPORTER 2: At 29, Katharine Gun
- was facing jail for breaking the...
- 1932
- 01:43:16,756 --> 01:43:18,054
- REPORTER 3: The last thing
- the government wanted
- 1933
- 01:43:18,056 --> 01:43:19,523
- within months
- of a general election
- 1934
- 01:43:19,525 --> 01:43:20,758
- was a big court case
- 1935
- 01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,859
- focusing on the legality
- of that war...
- 1936
- 01:43:22,861 --> 01:43:24,795
- REPORTER 4: The lawyers wanted
- the Attorney General's
- 1937
- 01:43:24,797 --> 01:43:26,563
- secret advice
- to Downing Street
- 1938
- 01:43:26,565 --> 01:43:29,466
- about whether invading Iraq
- was or was not legal
- 1939
- 01:43:29,468 --> 01:43:31,468
- disclosed that the...
- 1940
- 01:43:31,470 --> 01:43:34,507
- And he was involved in deciding
- whether today's case...
- 1941
- 01:43:39,645 --> 01:43:42,979
- REPORTER 5: First tonight,
- Katharine Gun walks free.
- 1942
- 01:43:42,981 --> 01:43:44,915
- In a dramatic about-turn,
- the Crown...
- 1943
- 01:43:44,917 --> 01:43:46,684
- REPORTER 6:
- So did the Attorney General
- 1944
- 01:43:46,686 --> 01:43:48,518
- put pressure on to stop
- the trial?
- 1945
- 01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:50,121
- Did GCHQ?
- 1946
- 01:43:50,123 --> 01:43:52,590
- Did the prime minister?
- No answers.
- 1947
- 01:43:52,592 --> 01:43:54,259
- Tonight we're simply
- asked to believe
- 1948
- 01:43:54,261 --> 01:43:56,997
- that there was no case
- to answer.
- 1949
- 01:43:58,998 --> 01:44:00,465
- (CLAMORING)
- 1950
- 01:44:00,467 --> 01:44:02,767
- REPORTER:
- Would you do it again?
- 1951
- 01:44:02,769 --> 01:44:04,801
- - Would you do it again?
- - I have no regrets.
- 1952
- 01:44:04,803 --> 01:44:07,039
- Yes, and I would
- do it again, yes.
- 1953
- 01:44:22,622 --> 01:44:23,990
- Caught anything?
- 1954
- 01:44:25,257 --> 01:44:26,626
- Not yet.
- 1955
- 01:44:40,940 --> 01:44:44,010
- You know, it wasn't
- my choice to prosecute.
- 1956
- 01:44:45,845 --> 01:44:49,348
- I was bound by the decision
- of the Attorney General.
- 1957
- 01:44:50,748 --> 01:44:54,152
- Why did you keep her
- in a state of distress
- 1958
- 01:44:54,154 --> 01:44:58,721
- for a year
- before you brought charges?
- 1959
- 01:44:58,723 --> 01:45:02,492
- The services wanted to make
- an example of her.
- 1960
- 01:45:02,494 --> 01:45:05,429
- If we dropped the case
- any earlier,
- 1961
- 01:45:05,431 --> 01:45:08,133
- what kind of message
- would that have sent?
- 1962
- 01:45:13,138 --> 01:45:15,007
- Do me a favor, Ken.
- 1963
- 01:45:15,675 --> 01:45:17,744
- Go and fish somewhere else.
- 1964
- 01:45:51,244 --> 01:45:56,244
- Subtitles by explosiveskull
- akumenang.com
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