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  11. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: want some tips
  12. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: press y on keyboard to talk btw
  13. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: we can play another if you don't want them
  14. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but i can tell you things i noticed
  15. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and help you out
  16. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ohh nice
  17. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: sure
  18. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: okay so first and foremost
  19. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you're playing by the book
  20. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but you're skimreading
  21. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you do a lot of good stuff
  22. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but it looks like you don't know why you're doing it
  23. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and a lot of times you throw it out without reason
  24. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: stuff like dash attack and ftilt
  25. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah you're right about that
  26. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: those are good but if i'm looking for them and i can counter, don't freely use them
  27. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: smash and fighting games are conversations
  28. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: if i ask you how's your day
  29. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah especially when you can just cc it
  30. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and you say i'll have fries
  31. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: then that's weird
  32. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you gotta respond in the right ways
  33. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: lmao
  34. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there's lots of answers to every question in this game lol
  35. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i need to think more
  36. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: sorry for the weird metaphor
  37. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  38. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: no it makes sense
  39. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but i think that one breaks smash down well
  40. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: do you know about the rps of smash
  41. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yes that the game is an advanced rps
  42. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye it's glorified rps
  43. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you have attack/shield/grab
  44. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: and that every move can be beaten by something else etc
  45. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: whenever you get hit or something
  46. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ask yourself why you were hit
  47. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: then run thu rps and figure out how to beat it
  48. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah you're right
  49. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: eg if you d-throw me and i buffer spot dodge and upsmash you
  50. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: right
  51. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you need to realize you didn't lose to upsmash
  52. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you lost to the spotdodge
  53. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  54. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: so you need to wait the spotdodge out and grab that or do something where i can't spotdodge out like a jab
  55. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: that makes sense
  56. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there's lots of options but that's just a preface
  57. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: in general you have the right tools just use them more mindfully
  58. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i get the point you're making
  59. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  60. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and piece together combos overtime
  61. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i need to be more mindful
  62. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: we can play one real quick and i can give you specifics after if you want
  63. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: and think about why im doing what im doing
  64. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: sure
  65. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: or if you have a question now lmk
  66. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i dont currently
  67. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: kk
  68. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: okay so a couple of things
  69. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you're watching me while you play right
  70. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  71. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you should be looking at your opponent 99% of the time
  72. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: kk good
  73. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: did you see what i was looking for and how i punished you?
  74. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i was trying to think more that time
  75. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there were 3 main things
  76. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: 3 things you did habitly that i picked up on that i punished you for
  77. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i know you wanted to hit me with something you could cc
  78. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that wasn't one of them but it might have happened
  79. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: you just waited for me to throw something out unsafe it felt like
  80. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: like a random fair or f tilt
  81. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: it was more specific than that
  82. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: let me think
  83. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: kk
  84. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: think about interactions between us not so much what you're doing
  85. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: think about what i made you do by instinct
  86. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i rolled a lot
  87. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: true and that's close to one but not the one i was thinking of
  88. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: you made me feel pressured
  89. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: want me to tell you?
  90. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yes please
  91. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that game alone i picked up on 3 things
  92. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: #1 habit spot dodge
  93. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: i waited it out and punished it with grab. same with with panic d-tilt, which you did on shield a lot
  94. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: omg yeah
  95. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that i can wait out and just do anything really
  96. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: you're right
  97. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: so i was watching for that and punish it
  98. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: punishing*
  99. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: #2 i was watching how you came off platforms
  100. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: you know im going to just run off fair
  101. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: most of the time you just ran off and tried to hit me
  102. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye
  103. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: did it every time you're right
  104. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: didnt mix it up at all
  105. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you never really did it empty and you didn't waveland out to reposition
  106. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah just a straight run off fair
  107. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: if you waveland out of running off plat you can punish ppl for waiting to grab or upsmash you coming off plat
  108. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ill show you in a sec
  109. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  110. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: shielddropping is also a bit thing that helps
  111. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i know i have to learn that
  112. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: i punished run off a lot with grabs and upsmashes and stuff
  113. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i can barely do it
  114. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: #3 was DI
  115. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: bad di yeah
  116. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you held in a lot and that left me get up-tilt combos and stuff
  117. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i was thinking about running shine a lot
  118. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: i watched oout for that DI and knew my punishes before hand to account for in and out and stuff
  119. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  120. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: makes sense
  121. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but those where 3 things i found and noticed i could capitalize on
  122. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah makes sense
  123. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you can figure stuff out about anyone in this game, so try to figure me out and push me to do gut things
  124. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: im so 1 dimensionl
  125. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: it's okay you'll grow really fast as long as you play mindfully
  126. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i think your speed overwhelms me
  127. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and i know this is a lot to talk in so don't beat yourself up if you don't get it immediately
  128. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: even seeing one thing to captialize on is impressive
  129. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: just start watching and observing
  130. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and as you grow and get better, watch and observe more
  131. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: im getting punished by things that normally i dont
  132. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye
  133. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: so far i've only been talking about my options to your options
  134. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but the best thing about melee is that it transcents rps
  135. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  136. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: my options to your optinons are influenced by other factors
  137. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: mainly percent
  138. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: stage position
  139. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  140. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: etc
  141. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: if you take that into account as you grow you'll make more informed and better decisions
  142. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: so ultimately observe, take in as much info as you can, and then act
  143. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  144. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: this game is hella hard because you get like split seconds to do it
  145. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but it's really fun and rewarding when it works out
  146. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: aight any questions or are you ready for another
  147. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeahh i agree
  148. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: im ready
  149. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: want me to tell you what i noticed or would you like to guess again
  150. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there were 2-3 main things
  151. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yes go ahead
  152. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: aight so you're still running off the platform the same kind of way
  153. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you're also rolling to center a lot in tech chases
  154. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i started remembering that
  155. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and when you pressure ledge, you don't respect some of my getup options
  156. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  157. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that last kill i got on you was just because i noticed how you edgeguarded me the prior stock
  158. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: it all started with the sh fair
  159. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: kk wanna do another
  160. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ah okay
  161. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ye
  162. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: two things there
  163. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you jump out of hitstun a lot but you kinda stopped near the end so idk if you noticed
  164. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and also i love that you're reacting to up be start and positioning yourself to punish
  165. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i realized
  166. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: thats really good
  167. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: also the WD backs were good to keep me to commit
  168. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there was a point where i figured out i could bait you to shield grab by fading back aerialsbut then i realized crap gnw has shit aerials lol
  169. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeahh
  170. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: good on waiting for the jump those couple of times
  171. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i need to space better against those bairs
  172. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: i did catch one tho but that's because i was looking for it and your only option was just risk the up-b
  173. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: just running in to them
  174. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye and do less shield grabs
  175. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  176. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: i'm getting behind your shield ezpz
  177. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: doing that way too much
  178. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you gotta wait sometimes in shield and see what i do
  179. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah true
  180. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: if i land to grab then aerial me out of shield with a nair or something
  181. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: just to see how you react when i do that
  182. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye ye
  183. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: instead of playing like its single player
  184. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: mhm
  185. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that game was really good
  186. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you caught on to how i drift my fairs in and respected my stuff
  187. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: idk why i keep fairing off the ledge after recovering
  188. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: horrible habit
  189. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: it's okay as long as you're aware of it
  190. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: especially when people are low percent
  191. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: one thing to remember
  192. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: spot dodge doesn't move you
  193. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you're locked in place while you do it
  194. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeahh
  195. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: so if you want to get away from somewhere, you don't wanna do it
  196. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeh true
  197. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: oh i didnt say this on the dl64 game
  198. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but wavedash back to beat my land to grab works well and im glad you did it
  199. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: surprised me that game
  200. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: good stuff
  201. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ill remember that thanks
  202. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you shield a lot after your aerials
  203. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: just a heads up
  204. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: also are you using trigger + a to grab?
  205. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i do
  206. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: for shield grabs
  207. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: learn to use jump + z
  208. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i boost grab and jc grab as well though
  209. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: oh kk
  210. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: just making sure
  211. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  212. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: btw
  213. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there was a lot of sequences there that are like learning points
  214. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: like i got a grab and then techchased because i knew i couldn't get the dthrow uptilt i wanted
  215. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: i didn't have % for it
  216. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: so i choose to techchase
  217. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: right right
  218. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: situations like that where you recognize are good
  219. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: im not claming to be good and i went for d-throw uptilt immediately after to see if i could hit it tho and i missed
  220. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: so i let my judgement get the better of me
  221. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: stuff happens
  222. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i wasnt sure what would happen tbh
  223. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ready for another
  224. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yep
  225. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: kinda the same stuff
  226. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i was trying not to come off the plats the same way
  227. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye but you did a few times
  228. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: better than last time tho
  229. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: imo
  230. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i did
  231. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: good stuff covering my tech in place
  232. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you're catching onto my stuff
  233. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: still a good game, i think you didn't trust yourself on your reads in a lot of interactions
  234. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: good stuff
  235. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: my god i get hit by so much its crazy
  236. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye projectiles are weird to deal with
  237. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: im so bad at dealing with that
  238. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: what do you think you should do better that game
  239. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: well
  240. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: what do you think you should be doing better for the next game
  241. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: what worked what didnt
  242. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i think i need to think more about what you want to do
  243. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: can you give some examples? there were some more things
  244. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: like ill tell you one
  245. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: i got out of your d-throws a lot
  246. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  247. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i need to
  248. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: so focus on extending punishes there by doing something like WD back to beat my shine
  249. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: think of how to beat tech in place
  250. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: and the shine after yeah
  251. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye you beat tech in place with d-smash/upsmash
  252. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that was good
  253. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i really need to convert on these grabs
  254. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: get to a percent where my moves actually can knock down
  255. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that's a good thing to do ye
  256. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: percent influences a lot of approaches
  257. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i need a gameplan
  258. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: like as fox against falco i can't approach with nair under 50% because he can cc and shine me
  259. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  260. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i know the rough percents but not exacts
  261. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i should learn that
  262. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there's lots of little things like that
  263. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  264. ― Stopping game ―
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  268. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: i liked the jab to cover aerial anticipating my grab
  269. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that was really clever
  270. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ah thanks
  271. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: sorry about the pause
  272. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: watch out for burst movement the character
  273. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: good shit!
  274. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: im still so bad its disgusting
  275. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: nah fam, you're playing well
  276. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: wow
  277. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: that was fucking awesome
  278. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that was the coolest thing ive ever done
  279. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: lmao holy
  280. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: phantom dash attack LOL
  281. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeahllol
  282. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: rofl
  283. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i love ics
  284. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: theyre so cool
  285. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: thats not sarcasm either
  286. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ty
  287. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that sh fair to cover the shine was sick
  288. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: thanks
  289. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: lol
  290. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: aight i can do like 3 or so more
  291. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: my hands are starting to hurt a bit
  292. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: thats cool with me
  293. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  294. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: wanna play a bo5 or something
  295. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: sure ye
  296. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: bf for game 1?
  297. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: or do you wanna strike
  298. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i kind of know the rules for stage selection
  299. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: we can bf
  300. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: kk
  301. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: it's bo5 so winner gets no bans
  302. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you can pick whichever
  303. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ah okay
  304. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yoshis
  305. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: so i would choose again correct
  306. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye
  307. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: okay fod
  308. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: okie dokie
  309. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ggs
  310. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ggs <3
  311. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: thank you so much for all the help
  312. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: any questions before i go
  313. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: np np
  314. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yes
  315. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: what's up
  316. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: im trying to think exactly what i want to ask
  317. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: LOL
  318. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you can paraphrase it and i might figure it out
  319. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: should i look at every interaction that fails and try to figure it out?
  320. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: and just look at it situation by situation?
  321. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye, you should. every time you're hit or you drop something, ask yourself why. think about each of these moments as situations
  322. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: okay
  323. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: eg fox is holding shield and has a habit of spot dodging
  324. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that's a situation
  325. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  326. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: my grab wiffed that last time i tried so i'll wait out the situation next time
  327. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: then you grab after the spotdodge and bingo fox dies
  328. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: okay makes sense
  329. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: also if i know you're going to wake up shine
  330. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye ye
  331. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: should i dash back grab?
  332. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: if im trying to continue the tech chase
  333. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: plup does wd back grab
  334. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i know percent matters
  335. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ah okay
  336. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you can do tilts at high% into fair
  337. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ill watch him
  338. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: d-tilt fair works
  339. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: oh right tilts duh
  340. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: f-tilt works at lower% but it's di in dependent
  341. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ohh
  342. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: moreso than dtilt
  343. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  344. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: okay
  345. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but ye going back to situations
  346. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: if you can define them for yourself
  347. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and you find you don't have an answer to one or they counterplay the situation
  348. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: look for the situation you defined in vods when you study
  349. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah okay
  350. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: like watch what plup does when people spot dodge against chaingrabs then copy that and try things out
  351. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: also shadow boxing is really good
  352. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: whenever you study a vod
  353. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: do two things
  354. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: when you watch it watch in slow motion like 0.75
  355. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and periodically thu the vod pause
  356. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: like in between situations
  357. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: and ask yourself
  358. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: okay what would I do here
  359. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah okay
  360. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: then if what YOU would do matches up with what PLUP does then you're probs doing the right options
  361. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: if not then lab it out and think it thu
  362. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: alright i can do that
  363. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you may have found a better option in certain micro situations and blah blah blah
  364. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there's a lot
  365. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah there is
  366. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: anymore Qs
  367. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: kind of a general question
  368. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye
  369. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: but in certain situations is it fine for me to play campy?
  370. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye totally
  371. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: esp if you're feeling out what your opponent wants to do
  372. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: or you want to make them come to you
  373. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: seeing how people interact with you when you camp can give you more information and you can do a lot with it
  374. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: there's a reason why hbox ledgecamps ppl
  375. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: gotcha okay
  376. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: he checks to see if they have options against it and sees what they do
  377. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: getting a spacie over by a ledge is like the best thing you can do as puff lol
  378. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  379. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ill work on everything and especially my punishes
  380. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: awesome
  381. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you have a lot of potential
  382. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: feels so bad because when i get a spacie off stage i feel like i should kill them
  383. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye you did kill me a couple times off ledge
  384. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: plup m2k all the good shieks always kill them
  385. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: well not always but
  386. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: just see what plup does and build a flowchart
  387. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: theyre consistent
  388. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah
  389. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye
  390. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: like i didn't see you do sh needle at ledge
  391. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you did it once maybe
  392. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: but never really again
  393. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: you generally grabbed ledge and baired me or something
  394. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: or dsmash on stage
  395. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: oh you're right yeah
  396. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: those are fine just expand your arsenal
  397. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: that's why stuff like shielddrop is so important
  398. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeahh
  399. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: it's a tool that opens up so many new movment possibilites
  400. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ill keep trying to do it
  401. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: just like wavedash
  402. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: want me to teach you shield drop really quick or do you know it
  403. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: most of the time when i spotdodge on platforms its just failed shieldd rop
  404. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye ye
  405. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i know how to do it im just bad at consistently hitting it
  406. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: on the stick press full left/right then roll the stick down into the diagnal notch before
  407. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ive been practicing it and ill keep trying
  408. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: below*
  409. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: ye ye
  410. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: oh this will help
  411. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: when you practice shield drop
  412. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: don't just practice it in plae
  413. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: place
  414. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: practice it like this
  415. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: running
  416. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: oh yeah out of movement?
  417. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: shield drop out of a dash is soooooo busted
  418. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: probs better to practice it offline but you get the idea
  419. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: yeah i gotta practice more
  420. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: welp anything else
  421. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: i think thats it
  422. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ill reread what you said
  423. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: aight
  424. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: lol
  425. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: well ggs
  426. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: ggs thank you again
  427. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: if you want to play again add me on discord or steam
  428. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: im 10x more active there
  429. ◀ [cinna (port 1)]: also play slap city it's really good
  430. ▶ [dope (port 2)]: lmao it looks fun
  431. ― Stopping game ―
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