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- lord of bacon - Today at 1:08 PM
- hey im seeing summrak suits marked 80 on ebay are they really that expensive
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:08 PM
- That's cheap man
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:09 PM
- really wow why did we choose 45th as the budget kit then?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:09 PM
- I mean I can beat that price for shipping
- Because the full kit is 95 + 90 + ship
- Which is cheap in the realm of russian gear
- Cheaper than Gorka smersh
- considerirng BARS gorkas are over priced on ebay, and a sposn one is whats kosher
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:09 PM
- im also seeing smershes for 80+40 sh
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:10 PM
- Shipping markup
- I buy them for 89, which isnt wholesale but close
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:10 PM
- mk
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:10 PM
- If you do a team order, your portion of shipping is maybe 8 dollars
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:10 PM
- i was thinking they be cheaper since they ar obsolete
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:10 PM
- Russian gear isn't budget tbh(edited)
- It's naturally expensive
- It's like saying you want a cheap rolex
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:11 PM
- I know but still I was expecting like 60 for a glorified poncho
- so wait we did decide on summrak gold leaf for the secondary right?
- And 45th only ran smershes with that right?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:12 PM
- it isnt a poncho
- it's a dual sided oversuit(edited)
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:12 PM
- whats on the other side?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
- Two shades
- One is a lighter shade
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:13 PM
- white and gold?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
- No
- same camo
- different shade
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:13 PM
- mk but still thats the official secondary right?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
- for sandy environments
- It's one of the two primary kits
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:13 PM
- yea thats what i meant
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
- You choose either the budget option, being that and a smersh
- and thats implying you buy it new
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:13 PM
- but ratnik is prefered
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
- you can get a smersh for 60 bucks used
- well truthfully
- I'd prefer if we had 6SH122 uniforms and 6sh117 vests
- that's 2018 45th VDV
- and that makes the ratnik transition ez af
- but its too late
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:14 PM
- yea odin and prime already threw moneyh on the fire
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:14 PM
- Now Zach and prime wanna switch it to izlom
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:15 PM
- Its too bad I really wanted the seconday kit to have izlom as the camo
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:15 PM
- Well
- you and Zach want to do that
- so if you can convince Odin to tag along
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:15 PM
- Can we run izlom with the 45's?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:15 PM
- and prime to ditch his current berezka
- Izlom is an MVD camo mostly
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:15 PM
- so still smershes?
- or can we use 117 vests with izlom
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:17 PM
- That's not kosher
- The 45th kit has basically abandoned the smersh vest
- like all units mostly have
- new smershes are dogshit
- so they're using up the oldgen ones
- For the most part
- it's berezka or SS leto
- There's no easy way to go about this
- because as I said
- "I want a cheap rolex"
- It doesn't make a lot of sense
- Unless you have other suggestions
- This is one of the popular rusfor teams
- 6 guys, I'd be happy with this tbh
- 6 dedicated guys
- No community open door policy
- I am a bit jealous of the customization those kits allow
- however, at the same time
- those helmets are easily 150 / each and those armors are 300 each
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:23 PM
- It makes plenty of sense and refering to russian gear as rolexes is kinda wierd since we all know that the only reason rusfor gear is so expensive isnt because its of higher quality than american gear its because it has to be imported and stolen from the military add to that jewshop and others taking advantage of the fact that prices are'nt widely known and boom you have gear that inherently costs more ableit cheaper than any other non us kits save third world shit holes
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:24 PM
- It's expensive because it has to be imported
- and we're doing kosher kits
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:24 PM
- also you can get cheap rolexes you just have to pay tarquel to steal them
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:24 PM
- Kosher us marines is still expensive as fuck
- even today
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:25 PM
- only if you have a real hard on for body armor wich alot of guys in country partially ditched because heatstroke
- also itov repros are very widly available
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:25 PM
- Maybe in iraq
- You'll get in a fuck ton of trouble for ditching it in Afghanistan
- Because you're creating a liability
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:25 PM
- im not saying Rusfor is bad im just saying its not at its true value do to import
- if this shit was stateside it would be the way to go
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:26 PM
- I mean, forcing people to adapt to any kit is expensive, period
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:26 PM
- yea
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:26 PM
- I could import all day long
- but
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:26 PM
- cept 90s nato
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:26 PM
- Here's the problem
- I haven't run into a single person
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:26 PM
- 90s nato is like $150 plus a gun
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:26 PM
- that will
- 1.) use an AK
- 2.) wear the camo
- we're not even at that yet
- Even if those were our standards
- Like legitimately
- I've met maybe two guys who would do that, and they both wanted to wear airframe helmets
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:27 PM
- yea im n0ot talking recruitment im talking secondary kits
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:27 PM
- Well
- I feel like we voted on secondary kits
- And people have already purchased them
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:27 PM
- I dont remember being part of that discussion
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:27 PM
- You were
- You made a case for nato secondary
- and I said you can do it in whatever capacity you want
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:28 PM
- what like last year becuase ricky was to faggy for a real 112 vest?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:28 PM
- but I'm not doing it for this team
- Because then it just means people do nato kits and the whole russian team thing is lost
- so I'll pass on that
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:30 PM
- what ever happened to just being a team and not nail gunning ourselfs to one country were not RR yet and if I recall in febuary of last year you said that we would be russian primaraly and secondary kits were up for discussion its not like we have to only have one backup kit and if we ever do an op in a very brown environment we dont exactly have a good way of doing that either whats the point of a secondary kit that is also as green as a lepricon?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:31 PM
- I'm not doing a nato kit
- and I'm not doing backup kits of nato fashion
- and that's how it is
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:31 PM
- URK OCD detected
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:31 PM
- I don't care if we're RR yet or not
- scape goat detected
- you can do better than equate any argument I make to OCD
- which is a fallacy by the way
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:32 PM
- You do you man but your inability to play with non commie gear is your hangup and yours alone shit im cool to do retro nato with odin and prime
- and as far as that being a falacy what else am i supposed to equate that behavior too because the reasons you have thrown out are all personal preference ones that adhere to a very specific pattern so its hard not to beilive there is some psychological block causing them but I really dont care what you do thats fine by me you dont have to run it with us and we woulnt run it at major events like fulda caspian msw or third coast
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:35 PM
- I just told you why I don't like it
- You can find holes in my argument
- "I don't have anything to tear you apart on" isn't a good stance
- Your inability to buy and use keltec handguns for self defense and practical shooting is a hangup
- I wanted a Russian team, so I made a Russian team. I wanted a standard so there's a standard
- to call a strict policy a psychological block and equate that to OCD because I don't want to be laid back about it is laughable
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:39 PM
- That would be implying that us gear is of inferior quality and Hey well if you only identify as specifically a russian airsofter than an general airsofter that appriciates all kits then ok bro have fun with that but variety is the spice of life and who ever said doing a us kit is laid back?
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:39 PM
- You did
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:39 PM
- most of the hardcore teams out there run us kits
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:39 PM
- just now
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:39 PM
- I did not use the phrase laid back
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:39 PM
- By saying there is a psychological block
- You didn't but that's effectively what you said
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:40 PM
- Thats not being laid back thats being stuck in your ways witch is ok but still limiting
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:40 PM
- The US hockey team is stuck in their ways because they won't wear rainbow uniforms
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:40 PM
- laid back is being hey guys GORKA and PASGAT with AUG
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:40 PM
- What kind of fucking argument is that
- "Standards are bad"
- It's a Russian team
- I'm sure you can pick out what word signifies what's expected
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:41 PM
- correction "you have a russian team"
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:41 PM
- Well that sounds like you're on your way to leaving
- do as you please
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:41 PM
- nah im not leaving
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:42 PM
- Kind of hypocritical to bitch about all the kit bitching, then to turn around and do it yourself after just recently praising the conflicts end
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:42 PM
- im just gonna run kits the other guys want to run at casual things like XK ops
- I never said i wasnt
- a hypocrite
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:42 PM
- But admitting hypocrisy just invalidates any opinion you hold on the subject
- because it means you're not above your own determinations
- or rather
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:43 PM
- By that logic we should withdraw all our troops from syria because we want the russians to
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:43 PM
- you are above your own determinations
- How does that work lol
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:43 PM
- correct i am above the law
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:43 PM
- I'm not playing a game of analogies
- It's a Russian team. I'm not doing nato kits
- do it on your own time
- Do as you like
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:44 PM
- MK youre not doing nato kits
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:44 PM
- And I'm not sanctioning nato kits for team use either
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:45 PM
- then we will just have to do other ops then if its that mutch of thorn to you
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:45 PM
- What did you seriously expect
- like seriously
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:45 PM
- youre not god
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:45 PM
- ??????????????????????????????????????
- what the fuck are you on about
- did I just not say
- It's a Russian team. I'm not doing nato kits
- do it on your own time
- Do as you like
- When have I ever told you what you can and cannot do lol in your own capacity(edited)
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:46 PM
- And low he hands down commandments from on high rejoice for he is the lord our god
- just now you did in that scentance
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:46 PM
- You're reaching pretty hard
- do as you like man lol
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:47 PM
- wether you like it or not the time we spend here is all volentary and still our time
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:47 PM
- I'm really not in the mood to argue about this for the 9th time this year
- When have I said it otherwise?
- lol
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:47 PM
- 21st acctually
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:47 PM
- What are you on about lmfao
- Are you okay bro
- you having a dream or some shit
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:48 PM
- yea im fine i just want to have as wide a range of kits as possible as long as everyone conforms to the main one for serious events
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:48 PM
- It's like letting girls into boy scouts
- it doesnt make any sense
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:48 PM
- I would have been down for that when is was 15
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:48 PM
- "Where does it say that the boy scouts is intended for only boys"
- in the name, boy scouts
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBN7wMTaSx4
- YouTube
- Ken Ammi
- Ben Shapiro on being a biological boy to be a Boy Scout - BOOM!!!
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:49 PM
- That makes sense if you want to reduce the rates of teen pregnacies but let me tell you it's a freaking sausage fest
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:49 PM
- Airsoft is a sausage fest
- The boy scouts is intended to be only boys
- what is your point lol
- Are you seriously trying to accuse me of not allowing women into the group
- ulterior motive detected
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:50 PM
- You didnt even join so whats your damn beef maby that makes sense for the younger scouts like the 12 year olds but personally from 14 on i wanted some tail in the troop
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:50 PM
- Yea well maybe you did
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:50 PM
- Hey not your organisation not your call
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:50 PM
- what difference does it make
- It isn't, but it wouldn't be called the "boy scouts" otherwise
- lol
- You being in scouts doesn't take away from the argument at all
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:51 PM
- Besides we already have venture scouts which is co-ed and that worked out fine
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:51 PM
- or add
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:51 PM
- I have experience you dont
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:51 PM
- Hence venture scouts
- hence boy scouts
- Experience doesn't mean anything when you're looking at the foundations of why an organization is called the boy scouts
- you don't need to be a scout or have a college degree to understand that
- lol what?
- That's like saying you need a sociology degree to understand what a statistic means
- or a CS degree to understand the words on a computer
- It is a Russian team
- hence the focus on Russian gear
- if you do not like that and prefer nato kits, you know where to find them
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:53 PM
- you really do only scratch the surface of the issue and have no clue what you are talking about dont you oh woe is me im so persicuted you sound like the polar opposite of a mild feminist some days
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:54 PM
- I don't know what i'm talking about, lol okay dude
- It's called the boy scouts because it's intended for intergender interspecies cats
- Gee I wonder how we came to that conclusion
- lord of bacon - Today at 1:54 PM
- butt hurt detected
- HansTheFox - Today at 1:54 PM
- Gee I wonder how your anecdotal experience has anything to add to this argument
- Autism of unknown quantity detected
- HansTheFox - Today at 2:01 PM
- Oh boy an essay
- lord of bacon - Today at 2:02 PM
- anecdotal wow your ability to dissmiss nearly a decade spent in a group living in its culture and growing as a person in its as if it were nothing honestly astuounds me scouts inst about having a dick you ludite its about providing young people vauluable life experience teach self reliance leadership and reenforce morality and having spen time in a venture scout crew as well i came to the conclusion that there is no real significant difference bettween the way the groups operate or the outcomes for the individuals and personally see no reason not to give other people the opportunity to have some of the truely life changing experiences ive had. I am also entirley shocked at your simple inability to look past the circumstances of ones birth and physical charitcaristics they had no control over and choose to blanket shut them out of such opportunities because of an antiquated policy and your own complete ignorace of the true nature of the organisation. If you didnt join you dont get tdictate what we do thats the point of private enterprize in this country
- HansTheFox - Today at 2:15 PM
- im goijnna have to respond later
- I dropped a kitchen knife on my foot
- need stichesb
- brb
- I'm in the car so I'll write what I can
- You're getting completely bent out of shape as to what I said
- so I suggest you go back and read what I said
- I said: Doing nato kits in a russian team is like letting girls into the boy scouts, it contradicts the intended policy
- being of which, is that you are a boy when you join boy scouts
- hence the name
- I do not care about venture scouts
- I do not care how they operate
- Personal experience does not matter
- it doesn't matter that I've never been in scouts
- Because anyone with a brain can look at the name "boy scouts' and can come to the conclusion that it is the scouts for boys
- much to the same can be said with girls
- If you have girls joining the boy scouts, it is scouts
- not boy scouts
- do you understand the connection now?
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