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  2. lord of bacon - Today at 1:08 PM
  3. hey im seeing summrak suits marked 80 on ebay are they really that expensive
  4. HansTheFox - Today at 1:08 PM
  5. That's cheap man
  6. lord of bacon - Today at 1:09 PM
  7. really wow why did we choose 45th as the budget kit then?
  8. HansTheFox - Today at 1:09 PM
  9. I mean I can beat that price for shipping
  10. Because the full kit is 95 + 90 + ship
  11. Which is cheap in the realm of russian gear
  12. Cheaper than Gorka smersh
  13. considerirng BARS gorkas are over priced on ebay, and a sposn one is whats kosher
  14. lord of bacon - Today at 1:09 PM
  15. im also seeing smershes for 80+40 sh
  16. HansTheFox - Today at 1:10 PM
  17. Shipping markup
  18. I buy them for 89, which isnt wholesale but close
  19. lord of bacon - Today at 1:10 PM
  20. mk
  21. HansTheFox - Today at 1:10 PM
  22. If you do a team order, your portion of shipping is maybe 8 dollars
  23. lord of bacon - Today at 1:10 PM
  24. i was thinking they be cheaper since they ar obsolete
  25. HansTheFox - Today at 1:10 PM
  26. Russian gear isn't budget tbh(edited)
  27. It's naturally expensive
  28. It's like saying you want a cheap rolex
  29. lord of bacon - Today at 1:11 PM
  30. I know but still I was expecting like 60 for a glorified poncho
  31. so wait we did decide on summrak gold leaf for the secondary right?
  32. And 45th only ran smershes with that right?
  33. HansTheFox - Today at 1:12 PM
  34. it isnt a poncho
  35. it's a dual sided oversuit(edited)
  36. lord of bacon - Today at 1:12 PM
  37. whats on the other side?
  38. HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
  39. Two shades
  40. One is a lighter shade
  41. lord of bacon - Today at 1:13 PM
  42. white and gold?
  43. HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
  44. No
  45. same camo
  46. different shade
  47. lord of bacon - Today at 1:13 PM
  48. mk but still thats the official secondary right?
  49. HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
  50. for sandy environments
  51. It's one of the two primary kits
  52. lord of bacon - Today at 1:13 PM
  53. yea thats what i meant
  54. HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
  55. You choose either the budget option, being that and a smersh
  56. and thats implying you buy it new
  57. lord of bacon - Today at 1:13 PM
  58. but ratnik is prefered
  59. HansTheFox - Today at 1:13 PM
  60. you can get a smersh for 60 bucks used
  61. well truthfully
  62. I'd prefer if we had 6SH122 uniforms and 6sh117 vests
  63. that's 2018 45th VDV
  64. and that makes the ratnik transition ez af
  65. but its too late
  66. lord of bacon - Today at 1:14 PM
  67. yea odin and prime already threw moneyh on the fire
  68. HansTheFox - Today at 1:14 PM
  69. Now Zach and prime wanna switch it to izlom
  70. lord of bacon - Today at 1:15 PM
  71. Its too bad I really wanted the seconday kit to have izlom as the camo
  72. HansTheFox - Today at 1:15 PM
  73. Well
  74. you and Zach want to do that
  75. so if you can convince Odin to tag along
  76. lord of bacon - Today at 1:15 PM
  77. Can we run izlom with the 45's?
  78. HansTheFox - Today at 1:15 PM
  79. and prime to ditch his current berezka
  80. Izlom is an MVD camo mostly
  81. lord of bacon - Today at 1:15 PM
  82. so still smershes?
  83. or can we use 117 vests with izlom
  84. HansTheFox - Today at 1:17 PM
  85. That's not kosher
  86. The 45th kit has basically abandoned the smersh vest
  87. like all units mostly have
  88. new smershes are dogshit
  89. so they're using up the oldgen ones
  90. For the most part
  91. it's berezka or SS leto
  92.  
  93. There's no easy way to go about this
  94. because as I said
  95. "I want a cheap rolex"
  96. It doesn't make a lot of sense
  97. Unless you have other suggestions
  98.  
  99. This is one of the popular rusfor teams
  100. 6 guys, I'd be happy with this tbh
  101. 6 dedicated guys
  102. No community open door policy
  103. I am a bit jealous of the customization those kits allow
  104. however, at the same time
  105. those helmets are easily 150 / each and those armors are 300 each
  106. lord of bacon - Today at 1:23 PM
  107. It makes plenty of sense and refering to russian gear as rolexes is kinda wierd since we all know that the only reason rusfor gear is so expensive isnt because its of higher quality than american gear its because it has to be imported and stolen from the military add to that jewshop and others taking advantage of the fact that prices are'nt widely known and boom you have gear that inherently costs more ableit cheaper than any other non us kits save third world shit holes
  108. HansTheFox - Today at 1:24 PM
  109. It's expensive because it has to be imported
  110. and we're doing kosher kits
  111. lord of bacon - Today at 1:24 PM
  112. also you can get cheap rolexes you just have to pay tarquel to steal them
  113. HansTheFox - Today at 1:24 PM
  114. Kosher us marines is still expensive as fuck
  115. even today
  116. lord of bacon - Today at 1:25 PM
  117. only if you have a real hard on for body armor wich alot of guys in country partially ditched because heatstroke
  118. also itov repros are very widly available
  119. HansTheFox - Today at 1:25 PM
  120. Maybe in iraq
  121. You'll get in a fuck ton of trouble for ditching it in Afghanistan
  122. Because you're creating a liability
  123. lord of bacon - Today at 1:25 PM
  124. im not saying Rusfor is bad im just saying its not at its true value do to import
  125. if this shit was stateside it would be the way to go
  126. HansTheFox - Today at 1:26 PM
  127. I mean, forcing people to adapt to any kit is expensive, period
  128. lord of bacon - Today at 1:26 PM
  129. yea
  130. HansTheFox - Today at 1:26 PM
  131. I could import all day long
  132. but
  133. lord of bacon - Today at 1:26 PM
  134. cept 90s nato
  135. HansTheFox - Today at 1:26 PM
  136. Here's the problem
  137. I haven't run into a single person
  138. lord of bacon - Today at 1:26 PM
  139. 90s nato is like $150 plus a gun
  140. HansTheFox - Today at 1:26 PM
  141. that will
  142. 1.) use an AK
  143. 2.) wear the camo
  144. we're not even at that yet
  145. Even if those were our standards
  146. Like legitimately
  147. I've met maybe two guys who would do that, and they both wanted to wear airframe helmets
  148. lord of bacon - Today at 1:27 PM
  149. yea im n0ot talking recruitment im talking secondary kits
  150. HansTheFox - Today at 1:27 PM
  151. Well
  152. I feel like we voted on secondary kits
  153. And people have already purchased them
  154. lord of bacon - Today at 1:27 PM
  155. I dont remember being part of that discussion
  156. HansTheFox - Today at 1:27 PM
  157. You were
  158. You made a case for nato secondary
  159. and I said you can do it in whatever capacity you want
  160. lord of bacon - Today at 1:28 PM
  161. what like last year becuase ricky was to faggy for a real 112 vest?
  162. HansTheFox - Today at 1:28 PM
  163. but I'm not doing it for this team
  164. Because then it just means people do nato kits and the whole russian team thing is lost
  165. so I'll pass on that
  166. lord of bacon - Today at 1:30 PM
  167. what ever happened to just being a team and not nail gunning ourselfs to one country were not RR yet and if I recall in febuary of last year you said that we would be russian primaraly and secondary kits were up for discussion its not like we have to only have one backup kit and if we ever do an op in a very brown environment we dont exactly have a good way of doing that either whats the point of a secondary kit that is also as green as a lepricon?
  168. HansTheFox - Today at 1:31 PM
  169. I'm not doing a nato kit
  170. and I'm not doing backup kits of nato fashion
  171. and that's how it is
  172. lord of bacon - Today at 1:31 PM
  173. URK OCD detected
  174. HansTheFox - Today at 1:31 PM
  175. I don't care if we're RR yet or not
  176. scape goat detected
  177. you can do better than equate any argument I make to OCD
  178. which is a fallacy by the way
  179. lord of bacon - Today at 1:32 PM
  180. You do you man but your inability to play with non commie gear is your hangup and yours alone shit im cool to do retro nato with odin and prime
  181. and as far as that being a falacy what else am i supposed to equate that behavior too because the reasons you have thrown out are all personal preference ones that adhere to a very specific pattern so its hard not to beilive there is some psychological block causing them but I really dont care what you do thats fine by me you dont have to run it with us and we woulnt run it at major events like fulda caspian msw or third coast
  182. HansTheFox - Today at 1:35 PM
  183. I just told you why I don't like it
  184. You can find holes in my argument
  185. "I don't have anything to tear you apart on" isn't a good stance
  186. Your inability to buy and use keltec handguns for self defense and practical shooting is a hangup
  187. I wanted a Russian team, so I made a Russian team. I wanted a standard so there's a standard
  188. to call a strict policy a psychological block and equate that to OCD because I don't want to be laid back about it is laughable
  189. lord of bacon - Today at 1:39 PM
  190. That would be implying that us gear is of inferior quality and Hey well if you only identify as specifically a russian airsofter than an general airsofter that appriciates all kits then ok bro have fun with that but variety is the spice of life and who ever said doing a us kit is laid back?
  191. HansTheFox - Today at 1:39 PM
  192. You did
  193. lord of bacon - Today at 1:39 PM
  194. most of the hardcore teams out there run us kits
  195. HansTheFox - Today at 1:39 PM
  196. just now
  197. lord of bacon - Today at 1:39 PM
  198. I did not use the phrase laid back
  199. HansTheFox - Today at 1:39 PM
  200. By saying there is a psychological block
  201. You didn't but that's effectively what you said
  202. lord of bacon - Today at 1:40 PM
  203. Thats not being laid back thats being stuck in your ways witch is ok but still limiting
  204. HansTheFox - Today at 1:40 PM
  205. The US hockey team is stuck in their ways because they won't wear rainbow uniforms
  206. lord of bacon - Today at 1:40 PM
  207. laid back is being hey guys GORKA and PASGAT with AUG
  208. HansTheFox - Today at 1:40 PM
  209. What kind of fucking argument is that
  210. "Standards are bad"
  211. It's a Russian team
  212. I'm sure you can pick out what word signifies what's expected
  213. lord of bacon - Today at 1:41 PM
  214. correction "you have a russian team"
  215. HansTheFox - Today at 1:41 PM
  216. Well that sounds like you're on your way to leaving
  217. do as you please
  218. lord of bacon - Today at 1:41 PM
  219. nah im not leaving
  220. HansTheFox - Today at 1:42 PM
  221. Kind of hypocritical to bitch about all the kit bitching, then to turn around and do it yourself after just recently praising the conflicts end
  222. lord of bacon - Today at 1:42 PM
  223. im just gonna run kits the other guys want to run at casual things like XK ops
  224. I never said i wasnt
  225. a hypocrite
  226. HansTheFox - Today at 1:42 PM
  227. But admitting hypocrisy just invalidates any opinion you hold on the subject
  228. because it means you're not above your own determinations
  229. or rather
  230. lord of bacon - Today at 1:43 PM
  231. By that logic we should withdraw all our troops from syria because we want the russians to
  232. HansTheFox - Today at 1:43 PM
  233. you are above your own determinations
  234. How does that work lol
  235. lord of bacon - Today at 1:43 PM
  236. correct i am above the law
  237. HansTheFox - Today at 1:43 PM
  238. I'm not playing a game of analogies
  239. It's a Russian team. I'm not doing nato kits
  240. do it on your own time
  241. Do as you like
  242. lord of bacon - Today at 1:44 PM
  243. MK youre not doing nato kits
  244. HansTheFox - Today at 1:44 PM
  245. And I'm not sanctioning nato kits for team use either
  246. lord of bacon - Today at 1:45 PM
  247. then we will just have to do other ops then if its that mutch of thorn to you
  248. HansTheFox - Today at 1:45 PM
  249. What did you seriously expect
  250. like seriously
  251. lord of bacon - Today at 1:45 PM
  252. youre not god
  253. HansTheFox - Today at 1:45 PM
  254. ??????????????????????????????????????
  255. what the fuck are you on about
  256. did I just not say
  257. It's a Russian team. I'm not doing nato kits
  258. do it on your own time
  259. Do as you like
  260. When have I ever told you what you can and cannot do lol in your own capacity(edited)
  261. lord of bacon - Today at 1:46 PM
  262. And low he hands down commandments from on high rejoice for he is the lord our god
  263. just now you did in that scentance
  264. HansTheFox - Today at 1:46 PM
  265. You're reaching pretty hard
  266. do as you like man lol
  267. lord of bacon - Today at 1:47 PM
  268. wether you like it or not the time we spend here is all volentary and still our time
  269. HansTheFox - Today at 1:47 PM
  270. I'm really not in the mood to argue about this for the 9th time this year
  271. When have I said it otherwise?
  272. lol
  273. lord of bacon - Today at 1:47 PM
  274. 21st acctually
  275. HansTheFox - Today at 1:47 PM
  276. What are you on about lmfao
  277. Are you okay bro
  278. you having a dream or some shit
  279. lord of bacon - Today at 1:48 PM
  280. yea im fine i just want to have as wide a range of kits as possible as long as everyone conforms to the main one for serious events
  281. HansTheFox - Today at 1:48 PM
  282. It's like letting girls into boy scouts
  283. it doesnt make any sense
  284. lord of bacon - Today at 1:48 PM
  285. I would have been down for that when is was 15
  286. HansTheFox - Today at 1:48 PM
  287. "Where does it say that the boy scouts is intended for only boys"
  288. in the name, boy scouts
  289. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBN7wMTaSx4
  290. YouTube
  291. Ken Ammi
  292. Ben Shapiro on being a biological boy to be a Boy Scout - BOOM!!!
  293.  
  294. lord of bacon - Today at 1:49 PM
  295. That makes sense if you want to reduce the rates of teen pregnacies but let me tell you it's a freaking sausage fest
  296. HansTheFox - Today at 1:49 PM
  297. Airsoft is a sausage fest
  298. The boy scouts is intended to be only boys
  299. what is your point lol
  300. Are you seriously trying to accuse me of not allowing women into the group
  301. ulterior motive detected
  302. lord of bacon - Today at 1:50 PM
  303. You didnt even join so whats your damn beef maby that makes sense for the younger scouts like the 12 year olds but personally from 14 on i wanted some tail in the troop
  304. HansTheFox - Today at 1:50 PM
  305. Yea well maybe you did
  306. lord of bacon - Today at 1:50 PM
  307. Hey not your organisation not your call
  308. HansTheFox - Today at 1:50 PM
  309. what difference does it make
  310. It isn't, but it wouldn't be called the "boy scouts" otherwise
  311. lol
  312. You being in scouts doesn't take away from the argument at all
  313. lord of bacon - Today at 1:51 PM
  314. Besides we already have venture scouts which is co-ed and that worked out fine
  315. HansTheFox - Today at 1:51 PM
  316. or add
  317. lord of bacon - Today at 1:51 PM
  318. I have experience you dont
  319. HansTheFox - Today at 1:51 PM
  320. Hence venture scouts
  321. hence boy scouts
  322. Experience doesn't mean anything when you're looking at the foundations of why an organization is called the boy scouts
  323. you don't need to be a scout or have a college degree to understand that
  324. lol what?
  325. That's like saying you need a sociology degree to understand what a statistic means
  326. or a CS degree to understand the words on a computer
  327. It is a Russian team
  328. hence the focus on Russian gear
  329. if you do not like that and prefer nato kits, you know where to find them
  330. lord of bacon - Today at 1:53 PM
  331. you really do only scratch the surface of the issue and have no clue what you are talking about dont you oh woe is me im so persicuted you sound like the polar opposite of a mild feminist some days
  332. HansTheFox - Today at 1:54 PM
  333. I don't know what i'm talking about, lol okay dude
  334. It's called the boy scouts because it's intended for intergender interspecies cats
  335. Gee I wonder how we came to that conclusion
  336. lord of bacon - Today at 1:54 PM
  337. butt hurt detected
  338. HansTheFox - Today at 1:54 PM
  339. Gee I wonder how your anecdotal experience has anything to add to this argument
  340. Autism of unknown quantity detected
  341. HansTheFox - Today at 2:01 PM
  342. Oh boy an essay
  343. lord of bacon - Today at 2:02 PM
  344. anecdotal wow your ability to dissmiss nearly a decade spent in a group living in its culture and growing as a person in its as if it were nothing honestly astuounds me scouts inst about having a dick you ludite its about providing young people vauluable life experience teach self reliance leadership and reenforce morality and having spen time in a venture scout crew as well i came to the conclusion that there is no real significant difference bettween the way the groups operate or the outcomes for the individuals and personally see no reason not to give other people the opportunity to have some of the truely life changing experiences ive had. I am also entirley shocked at your simple inability to look past the circumstances of ones birth and physical charitcaristics they had no control over and choose to blanket shut them out of such opportunities because of an antiquated policy and your own complete ignorace of the true nature of the organisation. If you didnt join you dont get tdictate what we do thats the point of private enterprize in this country
  345. HansTheFox - Today at 2:15 PM
  346. im goijnna have to respond later
  347. I dropped a kitchen knife on my foot
  348. need stichesb
  349. brb
  350. I'm in the car so I'll write what I can
  351. You're getting completely bent out of shape as to what I said
  352. so I suggest you go back and read what I said
  353. I said: Doing nato kits in a russian team is like letting girls into the boy scouts, it contradicts the intended policy
  354. being of which, is that you are a boy when you join boy scouts
  355. hence the name
  356. I do not care about venture scouts
  357. I do not care how they operate
  358. Personal experience does not matter
  359. it doesn't matter that I've never been in scouts
  360. Because anyone with a brain can look at the name "boy scouts' and can come to the conclusion that it is the scouts for boys
  361. much to the same can be said with girls
  362. If you have girls joining the boy scouts, it is scouts
  363. not boy scouts
  364. do you understand the connection now?
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