$ cat moremoron
Viktor Klang : prohibiting access to "this" in constructors would solve a whole host of bugs.
Tony Morris  : I think you mean variables, not "this." Accessing "this" (proper) values in constructor is fine.
Viktor Klang : No. Memory fence is not raised until end of ctor.
@techtangents: constuctors should only ever be used to assign parameters to fields. You need 'this' available.
Viktor Klang : No, you don't need the "this" reference available to the programmer, you only need to refer to fields themselves.
@techtangents: if you want to ban something from constructors, ban everything except assigning parameter values to fields
Viktor Klang : Doesn't make sense.
Tony Morris  : yes it does. Decent type systems prevent this for example.
Tony Morris  : sooner you understand functional programming, the better Mr Klang.
Viktor Klang : Something tels me that these languages doesn't even have inheritance. So I am not talking about those.
Viktor Klang : The sooner your understand how modern CPUs work, the better Mr Morris.
Tony Morris  : Please stop being silly. I know precisely how they work. You have a lot to learn -- why pass it up?
Tony Morris  : Some of them do, not that it is relevant.
Tony Morris  : I don't want to get in a war, but your insistence on appealing to CPU simply highlights how much you have to learn. Just do it.
Viktor Klang : I was merely trying to elicit some self reflection on your part. We both know how you operate.
Tony Morris  : You were resorting to a logical fallacy (tu quoque). I operate by zero-tolerance to bullshit. Stop it.
Viktor Klang : your operational constraints are your problems.
Tony Morris  : *sigh* and you guys wonder why thinking people don't take #scala seriously. Stop being childish and just learn stuff mate.
Viktor Klang : mate, seriously, some self reflection would do you good. You should atleast give it a try, especially since you claim to think.
Tony Morris  : Yes let us discuss my personal attributes, instead of pursuing a path of learning. Yes, it's me, of course.
Jonas Bonér  : Why resort to being an arrogant asshole when you are running out of arguments? Ignorance shines through. Again.
Tony Morris  : Where is this occurring?
Tony Morris  : I have suggested learning, nothing more. Both you and Viktor are interested in...
Tony Morris  : ... discussing personal attributes and name calling. I am not. Again, I have done nothing more than suggest learning.
Tony Morris  : *this* kind of nonsense is what is wrong with #scala
Tony Morris  : The suggestion of learning attracts name-calling and fallacious, childish nonsense. Again. Fucking #scala. Again.
Viktor Klang : I merely suggested self reflection. You turning this to a scala discussion is just childish.
Tony Morris  : No, you chose to discuss personal attributes instead of subject matter, what was ctors, assumingly #scala ctors.
Tony Morris  : I find yours and Jonas' behaviour reprehensible, but the suggestion to learn is still open. #backontrack