[14:04] <~Otter> so we have 5 mainish topics to cover.
[14:04] * Otter changes topic to 'E: OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH MAIN!!'
[14:05] <~Otter> Floor Closed.
[14:05] <~Otter> OK, so there have been some rumours flying around lately about our relationship.
[14:05] <~Otter> so Im going to lay out a couple of the quick conflict points, then open up.
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[14:06] <@JayBragga> Sorry im late :/ family stuff
[14:06] <~Otter> first, A) there has been some conflict between Members being THERE, or HERE.
[14:06] <~Otter> B) one of their members was mugging one of ours for a lark,
[14:07] <~Otter> C) discontent with how inactive they still are.
[14:07] <@irysh> a lark?
[14:07] <~Otter> so, comments to A) We are one single faction. as much as I would love to have everyone 100% active here, if they want to go be active there, I support creating their faction more active as well.
[14:08] <~Otter> B) Jaiden is a dick, their leadership knows it, and the conflict has been resolved to all leadership satisfaction.
[14:08] <~Otter> C) they are planning a couple upcoming wars to test out their inactivity in preparation for upcoming territories.
[14:08] <~Otter> FLOOR OPEN. does anyone have any comments?
[14:09] <@bobthecarrot> My cats breathe smells like cat food.
[14:09] <@irysh> whats "a lark"?
[14:09] <@Toriel> Not particularly, what do you mean by "support creating their faction more active" Do you mean "support having people go over and make them more active"?
[14:09] <~Otter> no, I will claw hand and fist to keep the guys We trained, that we built as a family HERE.
[14:10] <~Otter> but if YOU want to go over there, I will encourage you in your wish.
[14:10] <@Toriel> I'll never join Main, no offense to them but X is my home.
[14:10] <@Sig> I'm all for our guys juming over to help during war,  but they try to bribe us to stay.  And some do.
[14:10] <~Otter> a lark is he was having a laugh at our lower members expense.
[14:10] <@JayBragga> i've been told that as well
[14:10] <@Kill-For-Glory> wat exactly is the relationship?? are we actually an extention?
[14:10] <@bobthecarrot> Its the natural progression - its a shame its better here though.
[14:10] <@Toriel> X almost feels like it's it's own faction completely severed from Main
[14:10] <~Otter> ok, good question KFG.
[14:11] <~Otter> FLOOR CLOSED.
[14:11] <~Rose> hehe i made it
[14:11] <@irysh> OIC well otter that same guy was hitting me too
[14:11] <~Otter> our relationship.
[14:11] <~Otter> It has been strained for the last year or so, ever since a war we had against Little stompers where LS brought in about 30 guests and we begged main for help and we got... 4
[14:11] <~Otter> ill be honest, we were very displeased as leaders.
[14:12] <~Otter> but we have been in talks with L4, most of you know him, and he is starting to put pressure again on the entire team to step up.
[14:12] <~Otter> so leader to leader we are on good terms and have agreed to work together in territories.
[14:12] <~Otter> But as for our relationship[
[14:12] <~Otter> we are NOT a sub anymore
[14:13] <~Otter> we are two equal factions, and ATM i truly believe that X is stronger then Main.
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[14:13] <~Otter> any other questions about our relationship?
[14:13] <@Kill-For-Glory> sooo.. long story short, we are just allies
[14:13] <@Toriel> Does it really make sense for us to still be called 39th street killers X then?
[14:14] <@Toriel> Since we are our own
[14:14] <~Otter> we are allies in the same Family group.
[14:14] <@Kill-For-Glory> exactly
[14:14] <@Toriel> Or is it more of a tribute to our origins
[14:14] <@Toriel> Ah I see
[14:14] <~Otter> lets call it a tribute for now. if we ever decide to consider a name change, we will have a meeting soley based on that :P
[14:14] <@Kill-For-Glory> im questioning this too
[14:14] <@Toriel> Sort of like the thing with Born Fighting?
[14:14] <~Otter> anything else?
[14:15] <@Kill-For-Glory> ummm
[14:15] <~Rose> ppl will all ways look at us as a sub... doesnt matter what we call our self
[14:15] <@Kill-For-Glory> do we ever hav meetings including main?
[14:15] <~Otter> if any of them wanted to join, i would happily have them.
[14:15] <~Rose> i vote no name change
[14:15] <@Sig> Sigs Harem is a strong name
[14:15] <@irysh> i agree no name change
[14:15] <@len> lol
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[14:15] <~Otter> ok, Floor closed.
[14:15] <@Kill-For-Glory> lol
[14:15] <@Kill-For-Glory> idk man
[14:15] * DrWho sets mode: +v Paddy
[14:16] <@Kill-For-Glory> im a person of pride
[14:16] * seXy sets mode: +o Paddy
[14:16] <@Kill-For-Glory> maybe its tyme for independence
[14:16] <@Kill-For-Glory> i mean it does seem like we are just allies
[14:16] <@Kill-For-Glory> rather than a family
[14:17] * Otter changes topic to 'A: KEEPING HELPFUL AND EXCITED FACTION ATTITUDE/EVOLVING X ATTITUDE.'
[14:17] <@Sig> ^^^
[14:17] <@Kill-For-Glory> keeping the name would seem to just be riding their wave
[14:17] <@Sig> I think they should be X
[14:17] <@Cutlery_Lover> ^^^
[14:18] <~DrWho> lol
[14:18] <@Kill-For-Glory> lol
[14:18] <~Otter> i would pay meni $ to see that happen.
[14:18] <~Otter> heh.
[14:18] <~Otter> anywya, NEXT TOPIC.
[14:18] <@doh> lol
[14:18] <@Sig> lol
[14:18] <~Rose> see what happen??
[14:18] <~Otter> so, recently we(I) brought in a couple younger players. when we were a much yougner faction, we built a teamwork of trust and helpfulness into our faction chat.
[14:19] <~Otter> I dont awnt to lose that attitude. many of the older factions Barely talk, or act incredibly elitist.
[14:19] <~Otter> but i noticed that sometimes the younger guys would ask a question
[14:19] <~Otter> and the chat would just go on without aknowledging the question
[14:20] <~Otter> not every time, but a couple times. so i just thought maybe we remind people that that helping attitude was what made us strong in the first place.
[14:20] <~Otter> floor open. comments?
[14:20] <@Toriel> I like that we have newer people
[14:20] <~Otter> just getting the boring shit done first before we get into the real discussions. :P
[14:20] <@irysh> ive gotten that in the IN GAME chat NOT on IRC
[14:21] <@Toriel> I know we shouldn't pay it any mind but it does kind of hurt our rep
[14:21] <@irysh> me and DOH talk a good bit on IRC
[14:21] <@Toriel> We're seen as weaklings in global, then again, that's just global
[14:21] <@doh> i know when i havehad questions i have been getting great help :)
[14:21] <@Toriel> Though we have proven ourselves in wars
[14:21] <@irysh> i didnt take it dickish just like they dont know who i am or not use to seeing me
[14:21] <@Sig> I for one was not happy when I saw the new guys.
[14:22] <@irysh> lol sorry i KNOW i kinda suck stat wise...
[14:22] <@doh> global is full of retards who would sooner bounty someone than be civil unless you are an "elitist"
[14:22] <~Otter> im not talking about global
[14:22] <~Otter> im talking about in our own shat.
[14:22] <@Toriel> If you're going to continue to invite newer people I think our forum post needs to be revamped, joining requirements that is
[14:22] <@Sig> But I am fine with the ones we have.
[14:22] <~Otter> chat*
[14:22] <@irysh> faction chat.....
[14:22] <@Toriel> Nah I know
[14:22] <@len> global is the most dangerous place in torn
[14:22] <@Sig> The standard needs to be raised for futre roster fills
[14:23] <~Otter> one of the reasons i brought in a couple new guys was to breath that life into the question game.
[14:23] <@Sig> need people who will help in war if we are going to rise above 100
[14:23] <~Rose> what sig??
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[14:23] <~Otter> if no one asks questions, chat is often only about gambling
[14:23] <~Otter> which is SHIT!
[14:23] <~Otter> :P
[14:23] <@Cutlery_Lover> yea
[14:23] * seXy sets mode: +o Thief420
[14:23] <@Toriel> The gambling annoys me honestly
[14:23] <@Sig> I agree with that Otter
[14:23] <~Otter> so, a young guy ask a question
[14:23] <@Cutlery_Lover> I personall hate gambling talk
[14:23] <~Otter> and then it evolves in a genuine discuession about game mechanics
[14:23] <~Otter> or real life, or whatever.
[14:24] <~Otter> instead of about gambling.
[14:24] <~Otter> But going forward, we have agreed that we will Vote as a trio on eevery single application.
[14:24] <~Otter> instead of one person determinig whether they get in or not.
[14:24] <~Otter> allright team?
[14:24] <~Otter> :P
[14:24] <@Kill-For-Glory> is this just about the chat?
[14:24] <@Cutlery_Lover> sometimes you can find that diamond in the rough
[14:25] <@Cutlery_Lover> we were all n00bs at one point in time
[14:25] <@Toriel> Sounds reasonable
[14:25] <~Otter> and if they dont keep up the standards in war. then they out and we try someone new,
[14:25] <~Otter> reasonable?
[14:25] <@Cutlery_Lover> yea
[14:25] <~Rose> yes we are but i faction can only whold so many noobs
[14:25] <~Rose> untill we get use as a filler
[14:26] <@Cutlery_Lover> I mean you gotta give people a chance and truely stats mean shit it`s hit count that matters
[14:26] <~Otter> ok, then we kick Poly(biggest noob) and get a new better one.
[14:26] <@Toriel> I mean
[14:26] <@Sig> Exactly Rose
[14:26] <@Kill-For-Glory> lol
[14:26] <@Toriel> If I get kicked, I'm going to solo and build my stats lol
[14:26] * @doh could be considered a nub still :p
[14:26] <~Otter> anyway, we digress. I just wanted to remind people that Helping out each other is a core value at X.
[14:26] <@punkflavoredpi> cutlery- hit count is way easier with stats
[14:27] <@Cutlery_Lover> I find some of our strongest members make the least hits in war
[14:27] <~Otter> Floor CLosed. Discussion for another time that one ;)
[14:27] <@Kill-For-Glory> hmmm
[14:27] <~Otter> ok, now comes an important one.
[14:27] * Otter changes topic to 'C: TALK ABOUT OUR RECENT WAR WITH MAC AND CHEESE AND OUR RESPONSE PLAN'
[14:28] <~Rose> stop closeing the floor when ppl are still talking otter it a pain
[14:28] <@irysh> lol
[14:28] <@Cutlery_Lover> gotta keep shit moving or we`ll be here all night
[14:28] <~Otter> So. we just had a declare last weekend. MnC jumped on us.
[14:29] <~Otter> and I happened to not be here because it was a birthday party for a close friend that Day. so we dithered a bit, and ended up not coming up wiht anything and just letting them finish
[14:29] <~Otter> SO together with everyoen I would like to come up with a Response plan
[14:29] <~Otter> like, THIS IS WHAT WE DO WHEN A FACTION DECLARES ON US.
[14:29] <~Otter> A) discussion about war, B) create gameplan, C) etc etc.
[14:30] <~Otter> Floor OPEN
[14:30] <~Otter> thoughts?
[14:30] <@Cutlery_Lover> we should have a fourm thread with fillers and warable factions at the ready at ll times
[14:30] <@irysh> give me a DB ill wheel it right to them...
[14:30] <@Cutlery_Lover> thats how I did it n the past
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[14:30] <~Otter> the problem with that is organizing filler is just about impossible
[14:30] <+bluetorpedo> Am I late?
[14:31] <@Toriel> I think we should declare while they sleep :P
[14:31] <~Otter> nope torp :)
[14:31] <@irysh> lol
[14:31] * seXy sets mode: +o bluetorpedo
[14:31] <~Otter> just a couple small ones missed.
[14:31] <@bobthecarrot> Can we take them?
[14:31] <@Toriel> when we eventually do lol
[14:31] <~Otter> could we take them, yes i blieve we could.
[14:31] <@Kill-For-Glory> they seem pretty tough
[14:31] <@Cutlery_Lover> we can filler with decent faction heck I did it in a n00b faction I`m sure you could find some good faction that will always be here
[14:31] <~Otter> it would be at least a good battle as HYF
[14:31] <@Kill-For-Glory> we definitely gonna need a game plan
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[14:31] <~Otter> im not talking MnC specific.
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[14:31] * DrWho sets mode: +v bluetorpedo1
[14:31] <~Otter> im talking any faction in the future.
[14:32] <@Kill-For-Glory> ohhh okay
[14:32] <~Otter> if faction declares on us, WHAT do we do.
[14:32] <~Otter> is it JFK? we run away and hide.
[14:32] <@Kill-For-Glory> lol
[14:32] <@doh> i say we kick their asses or try our best to :p
[14:32] <~Otter> if its someone we can easily take, how long do we wait before we start smashing them
[14:32] <@Kill-For-Glory> i refuse to be punked
[14:33] <~Otter> so i want to come up with a plan of action
[14:33] <~Otter> any thoughts?
[14:33] <@Sig> They will  hosr guests
[14:33] <@irysh> id rather fight myslef even IF is a knowen fail
[14:33] <@Cutlery_Lover> that kinda all come down to eacg situation
[14:33] <~Otter> ok, so then. if its a war we can win. what do we do.
[14:33] <~Otter> do we hosp every single person in our faction?
[14:34] <@Kill-For-Glory> win
[14:34] <@Paddy> we do a typical military defense operation.  establish what resources we have (who is available) look at fillers available, see if leaders are available... do internal prep that is we all stack, then BOOM!
[14:34] <@Cutlery_Lover> wait till 30%
[14:34] <@len> kill the onliners..all of them :D
[14:34] <@irysh> lol go tatical
[14:34] <@Cutlery_Lover> give them a 20% lead like we did with HYF then smash them
[14:34] <@irysh> wait a bit
[14:34] <@len> again that depends who it is
[14:34] <@Cutlery_Lover> yea
[14:35] <@irysh> then go full on retard on them''
[14:35] <~Otter> any other suggestions?
[14:35] <@Kill-For-Glory> i suggest we prepare while we give em the lead
[14:35] <@Kill-For-Glory> meaning stack
[14:36] <@Kill-For-Glory> and then waste no tyme
[14:36] <~Otter> ok, and what do you think the leader response time needs to be.
[14:36] <@Paddy> FYI   Paddy = Padraigia
[14:36] <~Otter> like a Mass comes out within 1hour detailing what we are going to do?
[14:36] <~Otter> or.
[14:36] <~Otter> what.
[14:36] <~Otter> 15minutes?
[14:36] <@irysh> na say 5 hrs
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[14:36] <@irysh> then 4
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[14:36] <@irysh> kinda like that
[14:36] <~Otter> too long. 5 hours they already beat us.
[14:36] <@Cutlery_Lover> I think people should plan on fighting back till they hear otherwise
[14:37] <@irysh> i mean i see NO need for more then 1 myself BUT i get it
[14:37] <~Otter> thats a good idea cut.
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[14:37] <~Otter> any more ideas?
[14:37] * seXy sets mode: +o im2slick4u
[14:37] <@im2slick4u> get rid of otter first idea
[14:37] <@irysh> faction lotto?
[14:37] <@Cutlery_Lover> we are a waring faction I didn`t join here to sell cupcakes
[14:37] <@Kill-For-Glory> who decides if we attack or not?
[14:37] <@irysh> give irysh free cash idea....
[14:38] <@im2slick4u> whats the topic atm?
[14:38] * irysh was kicked by Otter (Otter)
[14:38] <@Kill-For-Glory> is that a concensus btween leaders?
[14:38] <@Paddy> K for G, i agree. need at least someone from leadership to coordinate
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[14:38] <@doh> lol otter
[14:38] <@irysh> lol
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[14:38] <@irysh> ass hole
[14:38] * seXy sets mode: +o Ferals
[14:38] <@Ferals> i think im in the right place?
[14:38] <@im2slick4u> yes
[14:38] <@Cutlery_Lover> yup
[14:38] <@Toriel> Nope
[14:38] <@im2slick4u> whats topic were on?
[14:38] <@Kill-For-Glory> cuz  if its pretty simple, and easy, any leader should b able to make that decision
[14:38] * seXy sets mode: -o irysh
[14:39] <@Toriel> Mac n Cheese Slick
[14:39] <~Rose> if we declare on plan for it
[14:39] <@Toriel> and general warring
[14:39] <@Paddy> topic TALK ABOUT OUR RECENT WAR WITH MAC AND CHEESE AND OUR RESPONSE PLAN
[14:39] <~Otter> ok. so what kind of consensus do we need then
[14:39] <@Sig> Has to be leader or co-leader who is sitting in co-chair.  Can do nothing if not sitting co when stuff goes down.
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[14:39] <@Paddy> leader or co leaders must 'call the ball'
[14:40] <~Otter> ok.
[14:40] <@Kill-For-Glory> well any of the leaders should b able to scope out the situation
[14:40] <@im2slick4u> i think we need a coleader from a different time zone from otter
[14:40] <@im2slick4u> so there is a leader on at all times
[14:40] <@Cutlery_Lover> ???
[14:40] <@Sig> Yeah, but only leader or co can declare on filler
[14:40] <@Cutlery_Lover> I thought it was
[14:40] <~Otter> so we agree that one leader can make the decision for the faction then?
[14:40] <@Ferals> If we are calling wars on the spot where do we stand for hit count requirements.??.
[14:40] <~Otter> and everyone abides by it?
[14:41] <~Otter> or 2 agreement?
[14:41] <@Cutlery_Lover> I think leader should be like generals they should be educated enough to make decsion
[14:41] <~Otter> or...
[14:41] <~Otter> ok.
[14:41] <~Otter> so one then.
[14:41] <@Kill-For-Glory> yup
[14:41] <@Paddy> yes
[14:41] * Otter sets mode: +o irysh
[14:41] <@len> taking down as many onliners as you can should be the intial repsonse ,that buys time to make a decision..also lets us know where we at str wise against the said faction
[14:41] <~Rose> the problem was not one make a decsion
[14:41] <@im2slick4u> i think the leader needs to be smart enough to make decision if its a smart idea to fight back or not
[14:41] <~Otter> ok.
[14:41] <@Sig> When MNC went down, we had an emergency meeting where we got all chain leaders in irc or personal chats in game.  I talked to everyone.  But we were unable to get anything done.
[14:42] <@Cutlery_Lover> too many cooks in the kitchen will just fuck it all up
[14:42] <@im2slick4u> do we have enough chainers on atm to fight back
[14:42] <@Kill-For-Glory> u kno wat???
[14:42] <~Rose> but you never sent a mail saying war
[14:42] <@Kill-For-Glory> maybe we should jus engage when we get declared on
[14:42] <~Rose> stack hit or anything
[14:42] <@Kill-For-Glory> i think that can buy the leaders some tyme to make a decision
[14:42] <~Otter> if we engage willy nilly KGF we will fail, if its a suprise declare, we need to have a plan set in place.
[14:42] <~Rose> and you a meeting in another irc channel???
[14:42] <@Sig> BECAUSE OTTER WAS NOT ON TO DECLARE AND I WAS NOT IN CO LEAD...to be clear
[14:42] <@Kill-For-Glory> rather than jus get our asses kicked while we wait
[14:43] <~Otter> thats why we here :P
[14:43] <~Rose> yes sig but jay was in tooo
[14:43] <@im2slick4u> thats why we need a co from a different timezone/different sleeping pattern from otter
[14:43] <@im2slick4u> on at all times
[14:43] <@Ferals> In a normal state im not carrying e - i usually sit empty of everything unless there is a purpose... so rallying hits may be hard..
[14:43] <@im2slick4u> to make these calls
[14:43] <~Rose> you 2 didnt make a plan
[14:43] <@doh> i was ready to go. was just waiting for word to engage
[14:43] <~Otter> ok, but that war is over and done with Rose ;)
[14:43] <~Otter> so thats why we tring to make a plan for the NEXT one.
[14:44] <@Sig> Rose, I sent you a message too and you didnt show up either
[14:44] <@JayBragga> I did my part i said i wanted to war
[14:44] <@JayBragga> otter coudn't
[14:44] <@irysh> hey otter
[14:44] <~Otter> ok, Floor Closed.
[14:44] <@Sig> was #Sig
[14:44] <@Sig> very clearly sent
[14:44] <~Otter> Trying really, really hard here not to get it into an arguement. The MnC war is over.
[14:44] <~Otter> over. period.
[14:44] <@JayBragga> thank you for that sig
[14:44] <~Otter> whatever happened happened.
[14:44] <~Otter> we are looking forward now.
[14:44] <@im2slick4u> sig did well in the moment
[14:44] <~Otter> so we can be successful in the next one.
[14:45] <~Otter> Floor Open.
[14:45] <@Sig> I'm just saying don't try to blame me for shit
[14:45] <@len> appologies that i ahve to leave now..but rl appointments..back asap
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[14:45] <~Otter> so, getting out a message saying whteher we fight or not
[14:45] <~Otter> within an hour. reasonable?
[14:45] <~Rose> i'm not blaming you sig ... but you and jay are co ....
[14:45] <@im2slick4u> i think with whoever is the appointment coleaders of the faction.....whoever is co at the time needs to make sure to switch it to the other one if they wont be on for a bit
[14:45] <@Kill-For-Glory> yes
[14:46] <~Otter> ok, Now, what do we want to do with the other team.
[14:46] <@doh> i think that's reasonable
[14:46] <~Otter> do we Hosp all their onliners?
[14:46] <@JayBragga> since when does a co of anthing make the final decision
[14:46] <@Cutlery_Lover> I think we plan on hitting back fist and foremost,
[14:46] <@Paddy> so no blaming, it looks like leadship can get together and decide within the hour and put out an emergency call to war
[14:46] <~Otter> do we set 2-3 bounties on each onliner?
[14:46] <~Rose> when the leader not here
[14:46] <@Cutlery_Lover> then wait to hear the game plan
[14:46] <@im2slick4u> the co is a second leader and has to be able to make the shots if otter isnt here
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[14:46] <@Sig> I got ALL the chain leaders on standbye ready for war
[14:47] <@im2slick4u> yep you did well sig :p
[14:47] <@Sig> Ask any one of them
[14:47] <~Otter> let it go guys.
[14:47] <@doh> if we can take their onliners shouldn't we do so for retal if nothing else?
[14:47] <@Sig> No man, this is bullshit
[14:47] <@Sig> I don't get riled easy
[14:47] <@im2slick4u> i say we just blame slick and move on
[14:47] <@Ferals> bounties are a slippery slope... start setting em and people return favor..
[14:48] <@im2slick4u> i think we did most of it right, we just waited to long to make a final decision on if we were hitting or not
[14:48] <@Kill-For-Glory> true
[14:48] <@Paddy> it looks to me like that was a one off fluke and the leadership will be ready, particularly after this meeting, for the next time
[14:48] <@Kill-For-Glory> we jus need to b quicker
[14:48] <@im2slick4u> i can take some of the blame because i have expierence in finding factions to decclare on so should have helped
[14:48] <~Otter> good attitude Paddy, I agree.
[14:49] <~Otter> but we still need to finish with the plan :P
[14:49] <@im2slick4u> but to be honest....i was here when sig was trying to figure it out and idk if we had the e online to make a fight right at the time
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[14:49] <@im2slick4u> so for a plan
[14:50] <~Rose> yet but poor sig war trying to do all on is own
[14:50] <~Otter> personally, im all for setting 2-3 bounties on each Onliner on their team.
[14:50] <@im2slick4u> i think we did it right this last time, just need to be quicker on
our final decision.  signal was quick of rallying up the chain leaders
[14:50] <~Otter> slow down their chaining.
[14:50] <~Rose> and cant declare on faction
[14:51] <~Rose> i think if otter going a way for the day jay should take leader and sig co
[14:51] <@im2slick4u> but he wasnt co at the time, so thats where i think jay and sig need to switch who is co at the time if they're going offline even during training
[14:51] <@Ferals> some factions bounties might work - but if both sides start setting bounties - financial war with outside players...
[14:51] <@punkflavoredpi> I think the plan should be that any leader or co-leader can single handedly decide to war and get things started
[14:51] <~Rose> yes punk
[14:51] <@Paddy> and we all support the decision as best as we can
[14:51] <~Otter> ok.
[14:52] <~Otter> so :P lets put that one aside for now, we have a couple concrete decisions on what our plans are.
[14:52] <~Rose> all we need is a newsletter to war we go
[14:52] <~Rose> we have done in the past
[14:52] <~Otter> Floor CLosed. we are going to move into something else right now more exciting.
[14:53] * Otter changes topic to 'D: TERRITORIES AND BETA TESTING'
[14:53] <@bobthecarrot> Everythings going to change once territories go live
[14:53] <~Otter> amusingly that CMF brought it up and hes not here :P
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[14:53] <~Otter> so, What is everyones thoughts on Signing up for the BETA when it opens
[14:53] <@Ferals> from my perspective - someone who is around all hours - most have patterns here.... make a schedule of whos normally online... balance against that... then you know when participation is.
[14:53] <~Otter> Floor Open.
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[14:54] <@bobthecarrot> Do it. We will get an advantage by testing it and seeing how it works
[14:54] <@Slick> i dont care either way on this one
[14:54] <~Rose> that what i think too carrot
[14:54] <@doh> i'm good either way
[14:54] <~Otter> Its going to take E to participate.
[14:55] <~Rose> i would like a look before it come out
[14:55] <~Otter> which we could use instead on training to become just that much stronger
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[14:55] <@Slick> part of me would rather be training, because i feel like we will be doing a lot of wars once its officially out
[14:55] <@Ferals> come out once people have trashed themselves and used their e..
[14:55] <@doh> how long will the beta test run
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[14:56] <~Otter> i dont know doh. i imagine it will be something like a month, like last one..
[14:56] <~Rose> if we using real game e ... then idk
[14:56] <@bobthecarrot> we can opt in, not go nuts. wait for it to die down. Pick our battles and see what happens
[14:56] <@Ferals> im better training - assess player base...
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[14:56] <@doh> so a month of training e...... i dunno about that :(
[14:56] <~Otter> so im seeing definitly Opt in.
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[14:56] <~Otter> maybe have a battle or two
[14:56] <~Otter> against specific openents
[14:56] <~Otter> dont go balls deep into the middle
[14:57] <+Slick> wtf are we talking about here otter
[14:57] <~Otter> :P
[14:57] <~Otter> any other opinions on whether we do beta or not?
[14:57] <+Slick> having his own little porno
[14:57] <@Paddy> The topic is: D: TERRITORIES AND BETA TESTING
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[14:57] <@Bourbon_Legend> Yeah opt in
[14:58] <@Ferals> explore how to grab and hold position - see if its best to grab territories closer together as a chunk, etc..
[14:58] <~Otter> great input bourbon ;)
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[14:58] <@Ferals> dont drive for gold but for method..
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[14:58] <@bobthecarrot> we should also save a dirty bomb for when it goes live. That would create a massive shitfight
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[14:58] <~Rose> lolz
[14:58] <~Otter> oh man
[14:59] <~Otter> i totally just realized.
[14:59] <~Otter> dirty bombsv are going to be places ON THE MAP
[14:59] <~Otter> placed*
[14:59] <@im2slick4u> im okay with either way, but just keep in mind that the beta will be about a month long then once it is released factions are going to be balls to the wall so a lot warring with no training
[14:59] <~Otter> so all factions AROUND the dirty bomb are going to be hit.
[14:59] <@Paddy> opt in and not go 'balls to the wall' but explore and learn
[14:59] <@Bourbon_Legend> Wonder what the size of the blast radius will be
[15:00] <~Rose> agree with paddy
[15:00] <@bobthecarrot> yeah, not much point going balls deep and blowing too much E
[15:00] <~Otter> ok, so im getting mostly a Explore vibe and test the boundrais.
[15:00] <~Otter> allright, so it shall be.
[15:00] <@Ferals> kk
[15:01] <~Otter> ok,onto the final Topic.
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[15:01] <+Slick> stupid connection >.>
[15:02] * Otter changes topic to 'B: UPCOMING GOALS'
[15:02] <~Otter> we are at a little impasse right now
[15:02] <~Otter> Had a great training break
[15:02] <~Otter> had an awesome war.
[15:03] <~Otter> have upcoming beta guaranteed ( but no time frame yet for release)
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[15:03] <~Otter> Rank be negligable for the upcoming territory.
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[15:03] <~Otter> except getting to rank 39.
[15:03] <~Otter> Racing club going awesome.
[15:03] <~Otter> upcoming goals.
[15:03] <~Otter>  what would you like the faction to do /see/access/suceed in doing as a team
[15:04] <+Slick> beat up main
[15:04] <+Slick> :p
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[15:04] <@Sig> Speakin of race club.  Big thanks to SIS, SAM and Aban
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[15:04] <@Sig> work has been kicking my ass and they have been setting the races for me
[15:04] <~Otter> we could do that Slick :P
[15:05] <@punkflavoredpi> what's the status on the companies funding our xanax/refills/meds in war?
[15:05] <~Otter> i am absolutly all for that.
[15:05] <@Sig> last 2 weeks...,ish
[15:05] <@punkflavoredpi> I think that should be a goal
[15:05] <+im2slick4u> i think it would be kind of fun
[15:05] <~Otter> honestly punk, i estimate about...
[15:05] <~Otter> 450milish a month
[15:06] <~Otter> from the 2 companies. current not including OC's
[15:06] <@Ferals> thinking - unsure on some of beta, etc... worth targetting stockpiling drugs and meds in faction ahead of rollouts? maybe even neurone?
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[15:06] <@punkflavoredpi> ^
[15:07] <~Otter> so for a three day war
[15:07] <@punkflavoredpi> I think stockpiling for the territories should be a goal
[15:07] <~Otter> we can expect that points and Drugs will add up for 600milish
[15:07] <+im2slick4u> jesus otter is really dragging out his answer :p
[15:07] <~Otter> assuming everyone refills and 3 xanax.
[15:07] <+im2slick4u> ill use my own
[15:07] <~Otter> so we are pretty close to fully funding wars.
[15:08] <~Otter> we can fund 2 days.
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[15:08] <~Otter> but its way farther then we were in January
[15:08] <@doh> but that is assuming only one short war a month
[15:08] <~Otter> with zero faction funding :P
[15:08] <~Otter> so its getting there.
[15:08] <~Otter> so one goal is to beat down Main
[15:09] <~Otter> Anything else?
[15:09] <@Ferals> I need more training...
[15:09] <+im2slick4u> we all do
[15:09] <~Otter> thoughts on another termed war?
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[15:09] <~Otter> I would really like someone to have a eureke moment and have a brilliant plan besides beat down main :P
[15:10] <@Ferals> go another longest chain attempt before beta?
[15:10] <@Ferals> longest chain may be harder after rollouts of changes.
[15:10] <~Otter> longest chain might dissapear :P
[15:10] <~Otter> but i like that idea.
[15:11] <~Rose> not a good idea ...when tc going down for sring cleaning
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[15:11] <+Slick> im not a fan of the longest chain but ill help with it :p
[15:11] <~Otter> that also a good point.
[15:11] <@punkflavoredpi> I'd say no more war until territories beta
[15:11] <~Otter> the more Respect we can build now. the easier the beginning will be.
[15:11] <@doh> getting more respect for the rollout of the new upgrades could be helpful
[15:11] <@Ferals> it only takes a 5 minute drop to trash it.. true
[15:11] <~Otter> i 100% believe that gaining respect is easier right now
[15:11] <~Otter> then it will be then.
[15:12] <+Slick> we should see how fast we can do a 100 chain :p just for the hell of it
[15:12] <@irysh> i tend to agree with the war is now a wast of time thing
[15:12] <~Otter> some speed chains?
[15:12] <~Otter> i could get on that.
[15:12] <@doh> and the more we have when they roll out the changes the easier and faster we can get the upgrades we want and need to have what we have now
[15:12] <+Slick> see if we can hit a 100 under a minute
[15:13] <+Slick> should be fairly easy actually
[15:13] <~Otter> only if we had everyone online.
[15:13] <~Otter> or, 30+ online at once.
[15:13] <~Otter> anyway.
[15:13] <+Slick> tus did theres in like 20 second
[15:13] <@Ferals> how might the nap time after war factor into territories? worth hitting those that are risks to us?
[15:13] <@Bourbon_Legend> Speed chain sounds fun
[15:14] <~Otter> i have a feeling all naps and peace will get reset.
[15:14] <~Rose> should be
[15:14] <~Rose> started fresh
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[15:15] <~Otter> i like the idea of speed chains
[15:15] <~Otter> remember making those teams Rose? :P
[15:15] <~Otter> it would be good fun.
[15:15] <~Otter> anyone else have any goals
[15:15] <@Paddy> prep for the big change balance of gain respect and training
[15:16] <~Otter> yea, but thats boring, the idea is to keep Faction activity High.
[15:16] <~Otter> while not blowing a ton of E :p
[15:16] <@punkflavoredpi> are we talking speed chains with targeted bonus hits or just chaos?
[15:16] <@irysh> faction LOTTO
[15:16] <~Otter> chaos :P
[15:16] <~Otter> faction Lotto.
[15:16] <~Otter> thats a good idea.
[15:16] <@doh> besides race club do we have any other clubs?
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[15:17] <~Otter> or speed chains with Bonuses on a single faction, but you can choose whichever faction you want.
[15:17] <@doh> i saw someone mention poker in the faction forum. do we actually have a group doing that?
[15:17] <+Slick> i would rather not have appointed bonuses for a speed chain
[15:17] <@punkflavoredpi> was anyone else around when you would open as many windows as possible in opera and do a mass refresh?
[15:17] <~Rose> i dont think so doh
[15:18] <+Slick> then we have to go all slow before the bonus and takes the point out of a speed chain
[15:18] <@doh> if we did i'd be in :P
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[15:18] <@irysh> na
[15:18] <@irysh> its doable id say
[15:18] <@Ferals> allocate onliners to 2 or 3 faction targets each. accellerate target finding.
[15:18] <@irysh> would take some work tho
[15:19] <@Ferals> else we all hit the top or bottom of list generally.
[15:19] <@irysh> i have a VENT sevrver
[15:19] <~Otter> so mayube we plan a speed chaining contest or two?
[15:20] <~Otter> do it by timezones. like one at 1800, one at 2400, one at 0600, one at 1200?
[15:20] <+Slick> sure
[15:20] <~Otter> and the goal is to get your NUMBER the fastest.
[15:20] <@Ferals> or.. a hit count comp?
[15:20] <~Otter> all wars are are hitcount comps :P
[15:20] <+Slick> we do a hit count comp every war
[15:20] <@irysh> yeah anyhitng like that
[15:21] <~Otter> any other contests or goals?
[15:21] <~Otter> hoenstly until we got this Oil rig dumped into our lap
[15:21] <@Ferals> missing the point - we have some that make 80 hits and some making 150... learn how to max your e usage in war...
[15:21] <~Otter> i was going to put fundraising on that.
[15:22] <+Slick> kick the slackers?  :p
[15:22] <@Thief420> what amazed me was at end of HYF war some people still had e stacked
[15:23] <@Ferals> how much space we got? recruiting contest?? :p
[15:23] <@Thief420> i dont understand how that is possible
[15:24] <~Otter> i would totally have a recruiting contest for 500M+ stats.
[15:24] <@Ferals> thief - hard thing can be finding targets... i know at start i couldnt find any cos it started as i slept..targets were hosp.
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[15:25] <@doh> i had issues finding targets at times too
[15:25] <~Otter> ok. well
[15:25] <~Otter> I think this was a good meeting :P
[15:25] <@Ferals> we need some more on top end.. short on lvl80 - 100
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[15:25] <~Otter> everyone, thanks for coming out. truly.
[15:25] <~Otter> I appreciate everyone taking the time to come out.
[15:25] <@Sig> Gnight team
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[15:25] <@Paddy> good night all !
[15:25] <+Slick> !lotto
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[15:25] <~Otter> i know it got a little combuffled there.