[21:00] <@LonelyGaruga> Kewldude475, the #DDFFCasual staff has discussed your personal attacks on me. While ordinary insults are fine to a degree, personally attacking a person is not. It certainly does not help your case when you were just unbanned recently. A ban is in consideration for your behavior.
[21:02] <@LonelyGaruga> For the record, it is the personal attacks, and not because they're staff, that are the decision for the ban. I can't remember any person here actually ever attacking someone personally in the past. The only person I can think of that would do such a thing is TKG, and all people present are firsthand witnesses to how bad his behavior typically was.
[21:05] <@LonelyGaruga> While I certainly argued frequently with you, I've typically stayed within the realm of trash talk and insults, and the worst thing I can remember saying about you is that remark about your mother dropping you as a child, which is a rather creative way of simply saying someone's mentally troubled and has no bearings on the quality of a person's life or their current family situation.
[21:05] <@LonelyGaruga> Moreover, while I do have a personal dislike of you, and have biased reasons for your ban, that does not necessarily mean that you have done nothing to deserve one. We've certainly had a record of incidents in the past with you.
[21:05] == Kraid has changed nick to Rammus
[21:05] == Rammus has changed nick to Kraid
[21:07] <@LonelyGaruga> While I was partially responsible for some of them, that's only some. I can't remember how many arguments have been caused that ended in the channel being muted because of you, and it's notable that as of late only arguments involving you have resulted in the channel being muted.
[21:08] <@LonelyGaruga> What I am basically saying is, this broke the camel's back, let it recover, and then broke its legs.
[21:10] <@LonelyGaruga> While my dislike for you is a personal bias, your actions nonetheless have caused you to provoke the ire of a great number of regular channel users, and indeed, I've heard a number of remarks about how much more peaceful the channel was without you around. If there is anyone that actually missed you on the channel, they must have kept quiet, for there was never any sign of anyone
[21:10] <@LonelyGaruga> actually unhappy with your temporary ban. The opposite was quite true, however.
[21:13] <@LonelyGaruga> While we could contact everyone on the channel to get their opinion, it would serve little purpose to us in deterimining whether you deserve a ban or not. The truth of the matter is, you're unpopular on the channel and tend to annoy others, create frequent arguments, causing them directly or being argued with alike, and overall just don't get along with the rest of the channel.
[21:16] <@LonelyGaruga> So while I am biased in suggesting your ban, especially since I was the one being personally attacked in the first place, there's no real reason for you to stay either. It wouldn't be hard to guess that the channel would be better off without you, and certainly, personal attacks are not something to be dismissed lightly. Were it anyone not on the staff that you attacked, I rather doubt
[21:16] <@LonelyGaruga> that you would get the chance to defend yourself at all and would have been banned on the spot, given your track record.
[21:16] <@LonelyGaruga> And with that, comes to the point I'm making. If there's any reason for us to reconsider banning you, feel free to defend yourself.
[21:17] <Adult> I'm not going to lie
[21:18] <Adult> and say that I've been the perfect IRC member, and I've never done anything wrong. However, me being banned because of you, of all people, just doesn't feel right to me.
[21:18] <Adult> I want to ask you
[21:18] <Adult> did you not say that I didn't actually bother you
[21:18] <Adult> with my insults today?
[21:19] <Adult> Well, anyways
[21:19] <@LonelyGaruga> You did not bother me in the sense that you did not harm my feelings. However, it did bother me that you would go so far as to make them.
[21:19] <Adult> Okay
[21:20] <Adult> Well, anyways, since I started using the IRC (with #Dissidia) you've obviously had severe animosity towards me
[21:20] <Adult> and since I've been here it seems that you'd do anything to get me banned. And I can't say that you're entirely incorrect in wanting me gone.
[21:21] <Adult> But I do not come here to cause trouble. In fact, most of my time here is spent in queries with Kuro, DanneD, Ultima, and X-Zone
[21:21] <@Kraid> In Kewl's defence
[21:21] <@Kraid> When I watched the whole A-ther incident a few days ago
[21:21] <@Kraid> you did egg him on with some pretty vicious insults
[21:21] <@Kraid> which was why I deoped you and threatened if shit continued, I'd ban you on the channel
[21:21] <@Kurayami> wow
[21:21] <@Kurayami> that happened?
[21:21] <@Kraid> However
[21:22] <@LonelyGaruga> Yeah, I kinda forgot about that because it lacked importance to me.
[21:22] <@LonelyGaruga> Lemme look at the log again
[21:22] <@Kraid> Some of the stuff you had said
[21:22] <@Kraid> was actually pretty damn brutal
[21:22] <@Kurayami> do we have examples?
[21:23] <@Kraid> You also agreed with me Garuga by saying "You'd be in the right for doing that."
[21:23] <@Kraid> HOWEVER
[21:23] <@Kraid> Since you both stopped there and then
[21:23] <@Kraid> it was fine
[21:23] <@Kraid> HOWEVER ALSO
[21:23] <@Kraid> if stuff has started again recently, whoever threw the first stone should be viable
[21:23] <@Kraid> liable^
[21:23] <@Kurayami> let me see
[21:23] <Adult> I didn't even know this was goig on
[21:23] <Adult> until I was told in query
[21:24] <Adult> *going
[21:24] <Adult> the whole argument thing
[21:24] <@Kurayami> well
[21:24] <@LonelyGaruga> Well, technically speaking, it started when Kura made a joke about me paling in comparison to kewl as a Firion player, when I asked if anyone actually thought he was better than me.
[21:24] <Adult> With a-ther, he has generally been pretty nice to me
[21:24] <Adult> so when I was banned, I had no hard felings
[21:25] <Adult> since I had genuinely hurt his feelings
[21:25] <Adult> even if I didn't mean to
[21:25] <@Kurayami> Kewl came in saying Garuga was arrogant and should go back to losing on Prima
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:12] <@LonelyGaruga> Kewl, your methods of discussion are pathetic.
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:12] <kewdude475> And yours aren't?
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:12] <kewdude475> ha.
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:12] <@LonelyGaruga> Nobody has any reason to want to talk to you.
[21:25] <Adult> and I apologized
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:13] <@LonelyGaruga> I talk to you because I like to antagonize idiots~
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:13] <Jungler_Phreak> gg
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:13] <Phreak_Jangler> gg wp
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:13] <kewdude475> I'm not an idiot
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:13] <kewdude475> inb4 yes you are
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:13] <kewdude475> you're so clever
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:13] <@Kurayami> I talk to you because I like to help Garuga antagonise people who give people shit who don't deserve it
[21:25] <@Kraid> [01:13] <@LonelyGaruga> Prove you aren't.
[21:26] <@Kurayami> oh yeah
[21:26] <@Kraid> [01:16] <@Kraid> Kewldude
[21:26] <@Kurayami> I remember that
[21:26] <@Kraid> [01:17] <@Kraid> yes, people can be asses at school
[21:26] <@Kraid> [01:17] * Phreak_Jangler is now known as Cross
[21:26] <@Kraid> [01:17] <@Kraid> hell I spent my entire time at school basically being bullied
[21:26] <@Kraid> [01:17] <@LonelyGaruga> You probably deserved it anyway kewl.
[21:26] <@LonelyGaruga> That's pretty par for the course with us. Kewl calls me an arrogant jackass and I call him an illogical moron.
[21:26] <@Kraid> That last one really got to me
[21:26] <Adult> Garuga
[21:26] <Adult> I never called you a jackass
[21:26] <@Kraid> There are others
[21:26] <Adult> recently you called me one however
[21:26] <@Kraid> but I don't feel I need to continue on
[21:27] <@LonelyGaruga> You sure?
[21:27] <Adult> Yeah.
[21:27] <@LonelyGaruga> Maybe it was just ass then.
[21:27] <Adult> It was about the a-ther thing
[21:27] <@Kraid> But Garuga
[21:27] <@Kraid> be careful: You don't want to call Kettle black
[21:27] <Adult> but I don't think I'm perfect, and I don't think everyone likes me
[21:27] <Adult> I always thought most people were indifferent towards me until the whole a-ther thing
[21:28] <Adult> And correct me if I'm wrong, but these arguments aren't brought on by me.
[21:28] <@LonelyGaruga> Huh. There's been clear evidence to the contrary in the past, like when you accused Skye of being untrustworthy with Kaya's post office box.
[21:28] <Adult> I usually try to just talk to people who actually do like me, and not cause any trouble
[21:28] <@Kurayami> I dunno
[21:28] <Adult> Well, I was only trying to say that I wouldn't wanan give someone I know my info
[21:28] <@Kurayami> I could see where Kewl was coming from with that
[21:28] <Adult> I wasn't trying to accuseSkye
[21:29] <@Kurayami> it's the internet
[21:29] <Adult> and I can see why he was upset
[21:29] <@Kurayami> you can't trust everyone
[21:29] <@Kurayami> and Kewl doesn't know Skye as well
[21:29] <Adult> since someone told him that I sadi he was a rapist
[21:29] <@Kurayami> as we did
[21:29] <@LonelyGaruga> No, nobody told him that
[21:29] <Adult> That's what he seemed to think.
[21:29] <@LonelyGaruga> He figured you were saying that by the context.
[21:29] <Adult> I didn't even want to imply that
[21:29] <@LonelyGaruga> There had to be a reason he couldn't be trusted, you know.
[21:29] <@LonelyGaruga> There's a number of takes on it.
[21:30] <@LonelyGaruga> Rapist is just one of them.
[21:30] <Adult> Well, no reason other than he's someone most peopel here haven't met
[21:30] <Adult> like I assumed Kayarine hadn't
[21:30] <@LonelyGaruga> How is that a reason?
[21:30] <Adult> ...
[21:30] <@LonelyGaruga> Meeting new people is not a reason to be untrustworthy.
[21:30] <Adult> Well, no, it's kind of like your mom telling you not to talk to starngers
[21:30] <Adult> that kind of thing.
[21:30] <Adult> I was a bit surprised she was so trusting
[21:30] <Adult> is all.
[21:31] <Adult> I wasn't trying to insult anyone
[21:31] <@LonelyGaruga> Well, as she did explain later, her PO number doesn't even lead to her house or anything.
[21:31] <@LonelyGaruga> It's just the place her mail comes in.
[21:31] <@LonelyGaruga> Not to mention that she knew him for at least a year or two.
[21:31] <Adult> Yes. But if she trusts him anyways, I guess it's not my place to get involved.
[21:31] <@LonelyGaruga> But you didn't know that part, I guess.
[21:32] <Adult> Well, to be fair, people have known people for a long time, but later realize they didn't truly know a person
[21:32] <Adult> But it wasn't my place
[21:32] <Adult> and i should have just stayed out
[21:32] <@LonelyGaruga> That's basically why Chaos and I jumped on you back then, yeah.
[21:34] <Adult> I apologize for attacking you. But after all the insults to my intelligence (Garuga's thought: You have no intelligence) I just can't see you trying to get me banned for this. I think it's unfair, and I'd be perturbed if I did get banned. But I will say that I can at least see (after a conversation with Kura) why something like this s taken seriously to some degree.
[21:34] <@Kraid> Look
[21:34] <@Kraid> Honestly
[21:34] <@Kraid> I'm going to say this
[21:34] <@Kraid> with some sincerity
[21:34] <@Kraid> Kura made a joke
[21:34] <@Kraid> Kewl did some trash talk
[21:34] <@Kraid> you both egged each other on
[21:34] <@Kraid> to a point where it escalated a lot
[21:34] <@Kraid> honestly Garuga, while your intentions seem good, I can definitely feel the biased
[21:35] <@Kraid> and we wouldn't be here if you didn't egg him on as much as you did
[21:35] <@LonelyGaruga> I'm not saying you have no intelligence, but I'm not exactly making that clear.
[21:35] <@Kraid> Likewise Kewl
[21:35] <@Kraid> you do need to work on your attitude
[21:35] <@Kraid> it doesn't matter what 'clear' is
[21:35] <@Kraid> Implying
[21:35] <@Kraid> is as bad
[21:35] <@Kraid> as being out right clear
[21:35] <@Kraid> infact, making it implied is worse
[21:36] <@Kraid> now honestly
[21:36] <@LonelyGaruga> Kraid, you're telling me this when the majority of problems kewl gets involved in are because he implies things he doesn't mean.
[21:36] <@Kraid> This should have just been sent to query
[21:36] <@LonelyGaruga> I know this stuff.
[21:36] <@Kraid> I never said that
[21:36] <@Kraid> but you REALLY do egg him on
[21:36] <@Kraid> a lot
[21:36] <@Kurayami> Kraid
[21:36] <@Kraid> which is just as bad
[21:36] <@Kurayami> Jacky and Cipher were trying to get them to take it to query
[21:36] <@Kurayami> but it didn't really happen
[21:36] <@Kraid> Did any of you two attempt to do it?
[21:36] <@Kraid> take it to query?
[21:36] <Adult> No.
[21:36] <@Kurayami> I gave Cipher @ while I was absent
[21:36] <@Kurayami> just in case
[21:37] <@LonelyGaruga> I didn't consider it necessary to query him. If it was necessary to query him, I would have just dropped it.
[21:37] <@Kraid> right
[21:37] <@Kraid> Yeah
[21:37] <@Kraid> and look where it took us
[21:37] <@Kraid> I don't care
[21:37] <@Kraid> Kewl, you shouldn't be an asshole and stoop to that
[21:37] <@Kraid> but you too Garuga are definitely not clear
[21:37] <@Kraid> and infact I think you can be as offensive, if not more so
[21:37] <@Kraid> it doesn't matter the sincerity of the comments
[21:37] <@Kraid> it'll rise and rise
[21:38] <@Kraid> to a point where one of you can raise your hands and be like "Well, he did the worse comment!"
[21:38] <@Kraid> if this was my channel you'd both be punished
[21:38] <@Kraid> And you both bite each others comments
[21:38] <@Kurayami> what I find stupid
[21:38] <@Kurayami> is that
[21:38] <@Kurayami> this keeps on happening
[21:38] <@Kurayami> and it'll always
[21:38] <@Kurayami> keep on happening
[21:38] <@Kurayami> I mean
[21:38] <@Kurayami> for god's sake
[21:39] <@Kraid> IRC has an ignore feature
[21:39] <@Kurayami> Kewl was unbanned like a day ago
[21:39] <@Kurayami> and look where we are now
[21:39] <@Kraid> If you're both going to argue
[21:39] <@Kraid> do it in query
[21:39] <@Kraid> I don't care who starts the query
[21:39] <@Kraid> one of you be the better man and do it
[21:40] <@Kraid> In short: Grow up
[21:40] <@Kurayami> ignore is probably better
[21:40] <@Kurayami> I mean
[21:40] <@Kraid> I'm not sure if Kewl can ignore Garuga
[21:40] <@Kurayami> a query would probably dissolve into insults
[21:40] <@Kraid> due to op status
[21:40] <@LonelyGaruga> I usually have him on ignore. I just didn't today because I didn't know it was him.
[21:41] <@Kraid> Like I watch you both before
[21:41] <@Kraid> this won't stop
[21:41] <@Kraid> because you'll both bait each other into a fight
[21:42] <@LonelyGaruga> How did either of us bait each other today? I didn't even know he was here, and he snapped right out with the insults.
[21:42] <@Kraid> Did you have to continue?
[21:42] <@LonelyGaruga> No, but I don't see how either of us were baited.
[21:42] <@Kraid> it simple
[21:42] <Adult> Talking behind my back? Well, I guess that's better than insulting me head on.
[21:42] <@Kraid> he said something
[21:42] <@Kraid> you said something
[21:42] <@LonelyGaruga> I wasn't trying to insult you.
[21:42] <Adult> Just pretend I don't exist.
[21:42] <@LonelyGaruga> I was asking a question.
[21:42] <@LonelyGaruga> It just happened to involve you.
[21:43] <Adult> Right.
[21:43] <@Kraid> To be fair Kewl
[21:43] <@Kraid> you didn't have to say anything either
[21:43] <Adult> Yes
[21:43] <@Kraid> Like you said the first thing
[21:43] <@LonelyGaruga> Likewise with any remark saying I'm the best Firion. I say it because people call me that, not because of an ego. I just accept it.
[21:43] <@LonelyGaruga> I treat it as a fact, not an ego boost.
[21:43] <@Kraid> Here's what I'm going to do
[21:44] <@Kraid> next time I see either one of you two do something
[21:44] <@Kraid> I'm going to punish either one of you
[21:44] <@Kraid> if you're both doing shit
[21:44] <@Kraid> I don't care: I'm banning you both
[21:44] <Adult> Okay.
[21:44] <Adult> Just please Garuga, don't bring me up on #DDFFCasual anymore.
[21:44] <@Kurayami> I believe this time
[21:44] <@Kurayami> it was actually me
[21:45] <@Kraid> It was Kura
[21:45] <@Kurayami> who first brought up yp
[21:45] <@Kraid> who said it
[21:45] <@LonelyGaruga> If I brought you up, it's not because I want to argue about something.
[21:45] <@Kraid> which was why I said both of you were baited
[21:45] <Adult> Right, right.
[21:45] <@Kurayami> *you up
[21:45] <@LonelyGaruga> Technically speaking.
[21:45] <@Kurayami> I made a joke involving you both
[21:45] <Adult> well, no more Garuga vs kewl jokes
[21:45] <@Kurayami> which I see now
[21:45] <@Kurayami> was probably
[21:45] <@Kurayami> a bad move
[21:45] <@Kurayami> yeah.
[21:45] <Adult> it happens all the time here
[21:45] <@Kraid> very bad move
[21:45] <@Kraid> Now
[21:45] <@Kraid> I'm going to brb for a bit
[21:46] <@Kraid> I don't think any more needs to be said
[21:46] <@Kraid> and if anything else is said, so be it
[21:47] <@Kurayami> I think we're probably done here, unless anyone else wants to say anything
[21:47] <@LonelyGaruga> I have nothing more I desire to speak of.