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catgirl witch 2018-3-20 12:32PM
hot take: dwrp would be more successful, more inviting, less draining and exhausting, and overall better if rpanons and wankgate did not exist
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VerdantPrincess 6 hours ago THIS!

catgirl witch 6 hours ago why does this hobby just accept it as normal that we have 4chan attached to the side of it

construct. 6 hours ago that's true bc I forget about it a lot and my life is always better for it

catgirl witch 6 hours ago it brings out the worst and makes everything petty garbage

Prof ‼ 6 hours ago there is not and never has been a good reaosn for us to accept wankgate's existence

«kate» 6 hours ago furthermore, the world in general would be better if wankgate did not exist

Prof ‼ 6 hours ago there's a dedicated community for people anonymously shitting on other people and everyone's just kind of fine with it

«kate» 6 hours ago part of my brain is Aware that it exists, but I don't look at it. THAT WOULD BE GIVING IT TOO MUCH POWER

❀ 愛歌だいすき ❀ 6 hours ago you know hot takes are things people are inclined to disagree with right

PURE 6 hours ago I have wondered this for ages

catgirl witch 6 hours ago i do, and would say that the continued existence of wankgate and rpanons do in fact suggest that this is a hot take regardless.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 6 hours ago rpanons i'll argue for because it's really the only centralized place dwrp has for information exchange, if i want to see what exists beyond my circle of contacts i check game ads on rpa

catgirl witch 6 hours ago anyway nothing happened and this plurk is apropos of nothing, i just didn't want to derail someone else's plurk with it

catgirl witch 6 hours ago hologramblue: while fair, there could easily be an information exchange that isn't anonymous

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 6 hours ago i'm sure but nobody has gone in to make one

ᴛᴀᴍᴀᴍᴏ ɴᴏ ʙᴀᴇ 6 hours ago they have though!

ᴛᴀᴍᴀᴍᴏ ɴᴏ ʙᴀᴇ 6 hours ago there was a sock version

ᴛᴀᴍᴀᴍᴏ ɴᴏ ʙᴀᴇ 6 hours ago and it died quickly, unfortunately.

ᴛᴀᴍᴀᴍᴏ ɴᴏ ʙᴀᴇ 6 hours ago "anonymous" - but theres still some accountability

knightification 6 hours ago If only we could revive that, it was fun

catgirl witch 6 hours ago well, yeah, a sock is pretty much the same exact problem

catgirl witch 6 hours ago but yeah

PURE 6 hours ago I think whisper networks can serve an important social function, but this is often not really that and the point about it being normal to have 4chan attached to a hobby as ridiculous as pretending to be a fictional character

PURE has 6 hours ago always bothered me

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 6 hours ago hubs only work as long as people use em

Haunt 6 hours ago I used to hear people who seemed otherwise really reasonable defend how necessary they were... somehow because reasons, but I've always wondered how this is a thing and why. It just seems like it encourages everyone to be extra toxic. Granted, I also don't think of them as being as big of a thing now as they used to be.

ᴛʜᴇ ɢᴏᴏᴅ ᴛᴡɪɴ☆ 6 hours ago it seems like something that just grew out of rp/fandomsecrets on LJ.

ᴛʜᴇ ɢᴏᴏᴅ ᴛᴡɪɴ☆ 6 hours ago I have been around long enough to remember those... /yikes

ᴛʜᴇ ɢᴏᴏᴅ ᴛᴡɪɴ☆ 6 hours ago People got pretty vicious in the comments to those.

Haunt 6 hours ago Yeeeep

ᴛʜᴇ ɢᴏᴏᴅ ᴛᴡɪɴ☆ 6 hours ago So it's not like it's a new thing, it's just in a different wrapper.

Haunt 6 hours ago But there were wanking places in addition to secrets places at the same time back then.

Haunt 6 hours ago something like...bad_rpers_suck?

Bloodaxe King 6 hours ago The argument I've heard is that "PEOPLE NEED A PLACE TO VENT" which is like...

ᴛʜᴇ ɢᴏᴏᴅ ᴛᴡɪɴ☆ 6 hours ago Oh yeah, brps

Bloodaxe King 6 hours ago I've...literally never felt the need to anonymously shit on people to "vent"?

Haunt 6 hours ago But yeah, I used to watch the secrets since some of them were cute and sweet or clever, but then it just went so downhill so fast

✘ Adi 6 hours ago counter hot take!! while anoncomms can be toxic and vindictive at times, that's not the case 100% of the time. more often than not they're used to expose abusive players/mods, and usually with proof too. there's value in them if you can ignore the obvious trolls (which you always should)

Nerdorama 6 hours ago I want a source on "more often than not", if that's the assertion you're going to make

Nerdorama 6 hours ago It seems to me that the base state of anon comms is "mad at everyone for existing" and occasionally that anger points to an actual problem

Nerdorama 6 hours ago Occasionally

☆PLUS ULTRA!☆ 6 hours ago i don't agree with rpanons purely on the basis that I and other people have and do advertise commissions there, and there are a loooooooooot of threads for game recs and enable me, or username suggestions, etc

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 6 hours ago i'm always a little cautious around discussions like this because anon activity ripped the covers off of the tora/nova thing which a lot of my friends were tangled up in, and the structure of plurk would have just insulated against that getting resolved indefinitely

☆PLUS ULTRA!☆ 6 hours ago and while people can do all that logged in, maybe sometimes you don't want the world to know you wanna play, idk, extreme ABO

✘ Adi 6 hours ago i don't have a source, but you don't either. these are just our respective opinions

☆PLUS ULTRA!☆ 6 hours ago and making a sockpuppet all the time isn't always functional

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 6 hours ago there's a lot of value in people being able to go somewhere central without their name attached and go "hey, has anyone else experienced this thing?"

☆PLUS ULTRA!☆ 6 hours ago so for wankgate i say i understand the argument but there are perks for anoncomms structured a certain way

Mr. Google 6 hours ago I've thought that anon comms are pretty toxic because they're anon, but getting rid of them won't solve the actual problem of the people who partake in it are already inside communities. It would just be more hidden. They already don't want to do it in the open which is why they're anon

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 6 hours ago wankgate is extraneous, but rpa is rarely nasty in my experience of checking up on it regularly.

Nerdorama 6 hours ago Yeah honestly places like wankgate are a symptom of the root problem of humans being naturally toxic people in certain social environments

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 6 hours ago ^^^

Nerdorama 6 hours ago You can't. Fix that. But you can give it more or less exposure and validity.

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 6 hours ago literally every hobby has something like this, unfortunately

Nerdorama 6 hours ago The problem with wankgate is people enforcing that its toxicity is valid and valuable

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 6 hours ago wankgate suffers from being populated by people who are entertained by drama, so if there isn't actual, productive drama, they will invent some

Nerdorama 6 hours ago And I don't know how to stop that either

❦ ᴄᴏмᴘαѕѕιᴏɴ 6 hours ago wankgate just needs to burn

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 6 hours ago rpa has far less of that because its regular content is....regular content, so there's no I'M BORED WHO SUCKS

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago yeah

❦ ᴄᴏмᴘαѕѕιᴏɴ 5 hours ago there's just. there's no goddamn reason for toxic assholes to have a platform.

Haunt 5 hours ago I kind of understood it more a decade ago? I mean, RPers in journal format are basically just getting older rather than getting new blood so we went from doing that stuff as teenagers and early 20s to doing it in our mid 20s - mid 30s.

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago at the end of the day the existence of wankgate and rpa doesn't bother me or affect my experience as an RPer, obviously that's not the case for everyone, but

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago people who waste their time of inventing petty drama are just sad to me, but they're always gonna exist in some capacity

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago even if wg and rpa didn't exist, people would still be stirring shit some how some way

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago wg has steadily gotten more toxic over time too as chiller people get fed up and bail, distilling the toxicity into a potential, seething vat

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago *potent

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago and I have to agree that being anonymous can be helpful in some situations, as mentioned earlier

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago i think it's a double-edged sword? like i've met plenty of people in this hobby who are assholes without the veil of anonymity. and without anoncomms, spellbind wouldn't have been exposed for what it was. now i know of a lot of toxic situations that i really would rather avoid in the future thanks to both rpanon and wankgate.

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago i mean. shrugs. there's good and bad, bu there's good and bad in everything, honestly.

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago most of the utter dicks i've met in this hobby didn't happen because of wankgate or rpanons. thats not everybody's experience obviously. but.

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago yeah. same. lmao

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago anoncomms help unveil a lot of shitty shit and reveal true color sometimes. like. what happened with spellbind. which i won't go into much more than that but i'm thankful for rpanons on that front because the playerbase needed to know some shit.

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago crepusculae: lmfaooo we can name some dicks we've met man i swear.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago same, the worst people i've run into in dwrp are the ones that take advantage of the isolating effect of plurk's person-to-person network

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago I've been RPing (and modding) since 2006, I have some WILD stories lmao

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago on LJ/DW anyway

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago people are gonna be dicks regardless. because of rpanons/wg/etc i now have a list of people i don't want to associate with. and the people who get wrongly dropped, i feel like their friends/folks who matter kno wthat?

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago and if not, man, people need new friends.

✘ Adi 5 hours ago YUP. bullies will have a platform anywhere, but i still think anoncomms expose a lot of them with proof

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago yeah and I feel like half the time if someone's unfairly name-dropped people get bored pretty quick and move on bc there's nothing to actually talk about

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago it sucks that they got name dropped in the first place! and I have been name dropped before myself, so it's not like I'm saying this without any experience in the matter

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago same.

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago but, at the end of the day it's just sad people living sad lives bc they're bored and don't have anything better to do than rip on people over a dumb hobby

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago i'd say like.

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago of the four times i've been namedropped i deserved it twice. LMAO

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago hand to god, i was being an asshole.

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago and i got called out on it!

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago so i stopped being an asshole.

catgirl witch 5 hours ago i've also got namedropped before but i don't really want to get into my own wg experiences

catgirl witch 5 hours ago but fair, i just. i hate that they exist.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago anoncomms have a weird fuckin dynamic that requires a certain touch. careful moderation, discernment on the part of people reading, encouragement of normal chat content to deter toxicity

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago also the whole awash situation with people asking other people to drop reserves??? like damn. lmao.

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago yeah. it does suck in a lot of ways! but as long as you're having fun and you're not hurting anyone at the end of the day it's not important

catgirl witch 5 hours ago i can't speak for rpanons but i feel like the entire point of wg, at least, is to hurt people and be toxic

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago from what i can see the biggest difference between rpanons and wankgate is wankgate you can post receipts and talk about politics.

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago the demeanor to me isn't entirely different. but. i also don't stalk anoncomms a lot?

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago that last one is key because that really is the heart of wg's problem, people with lives leave when there's nothing going on and whoever's left whip each other into a froth over the existence of mediocre meme taggers being the literal end of the world

✘ Adi 5 hours ago i'm not sure if that's the entire point of wg, because it has rules in place like "no fishing for deets" and stuff

ᴍᴜsᴛᴀɴɢ. 5 hours ago i generally only look when someone links me something relating to me.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago wg and its predecessor exist because rpa didn't allow posting screenshots of plurks and stuff

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago yeah I think the problem there is that whip into a frenzy thing. everyone needs to vent sometimes but when you have a bunch of other people stirring it up further it becomes much.more than what it was

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago but, those things not existing doesn't really stop that from happening

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago in a game I was in a long time ago, some of the players sort of took over the AIM chat (that's how you know it's OLD WANK LMAO) we made for the game after most people got bored of it, and just turned it into their own little wankgate

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago man sometimes i wish the open-forum model of social media hadn't ceded entirely to person-to-person stuff because we need....hubs

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago where they were just complaining about everyone else and enabling each other into saying mean stuff over stuff that was pretty minor initially

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago all formats encourage their own flavors of good and bad behavior and a variety is good

Haunt 5 hours ago It would be nice if we put more attention into building each other up as we do in tearing each other down. Or even like...as much. ;;

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 5 hours ago I mean, there's love memes and stuff - I don't think there's no positivity whatsoever

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago the rp itself is positivity, mang

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago my enjoyment of rp shoots way up whenever i stop stressing about the surrounding things, take a deep breath, and immerse in threads

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago after this long doing it it's easy to take it for granted and treat it like a job and pay more attention to what other people are doing than the meat of the hobby itself

Haunt 5 hours ago I would agree the RP itself is a positive experience but the wank comms are OOC negative and there are the occasional meme, but not (as far as I know) large, popular, constantly used comms for OOC positivity

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago that's bc it's mostly moved to plurk

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago ooc game chat is very contextual and not super meaningful outside of the social circle of the game, so people took their gushing about threads from the subject lines of threads/ooc comms to plurk commentary

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago the invisibility of that when you're not added to everyone and their mom is one of the reasons plurk being the main ooc venue irks me sometimes

waweluigi 5 hours ago that invisibility is maybe worse when you share like five fandoms with someone that wants to never talk to you, so you have a bunch of mutuals...

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago discord is sort-of-kind-of coming up as another solution because it's more hub-like than plurk and less formal than ooc comms, but then it has a lot of the problems that we specifically came to plurk to get away from, like the you-had-to-be-there time requirement of other chatrooms

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago plurk was so attractive to us because it has the chatroom instant communication thing but it's more friendly to staggered access so timezones, jobs, etc are less of an issue

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 5 hours ago THIS STUFF IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME i'm sorry for taking up so much space in here

tɦɛ cɦɛɛรiɛรt 5 hours ago yup

merlinsecure 4 hours ago hotter take: it'd still be a toxic and closed community like it's literally always bc because nobody communicates and everybody is too nervous to say anything about toxic ppl/ abuse bc their friends are unlikely to back them up bc the toxic person is ALSO their friend.

merlinsecure 4 hours ago always been*

merlinsecure 4 hours ago having a place to blow the whistle, so to speak, is helpful for revealing shit that otherwise might not be looked at. I'm not going to say it's not toxic but the only difference getting rid of it will do is prevent people from learning about actually toxic ppl they wouldn't otherwise that are for some reason still allowed to hang in this space.

merlinsecure 4 hours ago id rather have this shit be in an area that IS now more strictly moderated for actual shit/ receipts and not just deets fishing.

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 4 hours ago i was mostly going to say what jiggypepper was going to say up there, but i do think there's also something to be said about not encouraging that sort of behavior. as is, wg and anoncomms are a "culture" of their own

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 4 hours ago but yeah for the most part, 80% of the same shit would be happening behind closed doors because rpers have a loooot of desperate and petty folks lmfao

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago Probably because there's a degree of arrested development to be found in most players, ranging from slight to immense, and that immaturity is the reason that conflict resolution in the form of anonymous, passive-aggressive harassment makes sense as a community-wide practice.

merlinsecure 4 hours ago I'm not encouraging people to SHIT on others for useless crap but i am absolutely going to encourage people to speak out/ post proof of abuse or manipulation thrown at them. quicker that's knocked down the better.

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago ^ Why do we need to expose poor behavior under anonymous protection? I doubt Marge The Commission Scammer is going to have the power to harass me off the internet if my own nose is clean.

merlinsecure 4 hours ago otherwise you have shit like ppl scamming you out of 10k or sexual harassment behind closed doors again.

PURE 4 hours ago Question, randomly -- what's the deal with Spellbind?

PURE 4 hours ago Someone mentioned it

merlinsecure 4 hours ago officialbizness: because sometimes people know reach other irl or lived together in the past. it's self protection at that point. if you're I a place where you can publicly speak out, good, but some people can't

merlinsecure 4 hours ago if someone isn't comfortable with letting others know, that's fine too, but I'll always encourage letting others know about this shit so it can't continue as easily from that point

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago I absolutely do not understand being afraid IRL of someone who is a bad dwrper. I can understand being displeased by uncomfortable IRL social engagement, but if someone thinks they need to protect themselves from bodily harm against a scammy commission artist, I would think a judicious call to the police would take priority over making an anonymous comment.

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago I should add: I don't think people are wrong to fear alienating themselves from their friends in the hobby.

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago i don't even think it has to be about being alienated or about bodily harm ... there are people who will stalk and manipulate and etc as well

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago I just think it's a bit unfair and shit to the people in the hobby that there's a culture of fear of ostracizarion that justifies keeping anon comms open.

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago but, people do get very defensive of people who are called out sometimes as well, and it can be very stressful to have a ton of people on your ass about it

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago *ostracization, thanks, phone.

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago i just think you cant fairly make a sweeping generalization like that cause you don't always know the circumstances

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago i'm still catching up here but i really do think that boiling it down to scammy commissioner as opposed to like, other possible bad people such as people who are long-time abusive friends is like

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago frankly disingenuous to the conversation

ALICE❤IS❤ALICE 4 hours ago you realize we have anonymous reporting irl for shit that you aren't necessarily involved in or even near right

ALICE❤IS❤ALICE 4 hours ago people don't have to be physically near you for there to be repercussions for making it known you've said some shit about them

ALICE❤IS❤ALICE 4 hours ago whether that's stalking, actual physical harm, social isolation, or fucking with rl shit

ALICE❤IS❤ALICE 4 hours ago also it assumes literally everyone on the internet in general is completely separate from everyone else

ALICE❤IS❤ALICE 4 hours ago like wg is frivolous with its jumping on shit that doesn't matter and dw is conflict avoidant to a an extreme fault but let's not pretend that literally everything ever should be announced publicly by the people affected

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago sure, you don't need to protect yourself anonymously from someone who basically amounts to being the guy who you ordered a pizza from who ended up being a dickbag, but you can also receive retaliation from someone who's much closer to you

merlinsecure 4 hours ago it's not about being a bad rper it's about some of these people being legitimately abusive to others irl.

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago or not even necessarily much closer to you but someone who is related to that

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago i do think that some people have a hard time with confrontation in general, but saying that everyone should be fine with not being anonymous always is just silly

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago I really don't view any of these comms, so I've been working on the assumption that rp anon comms are limited to rp talk.

ALICE❤IS❤ALICE 4 hours ago what pep pep said, ideally 'you're bad/flaky/boring' wouldn't be allowed at all and I don't think anyone is arguing for that

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago i mean, they are, but abusive behavior can be in connection with rp

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago ^

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago i.e. pressuring/manipulating people into doign what you want in rp, stalking/following people from game to game, being generally creepy and nasty

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago i don't think anon comms are the greatest but they are in fact used, not only for strictly rp talk, but also for like, the social talk of people engaging with the rp and relationships thereof

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago who keeps trying to be creepy, who keeps manipulating people, who has a history of turning people against each other, etc etc etc

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago in my experience i've seen like, people actually confronting others for xyz stuff only to get like, banned from a game because the person confronted is friends with someone and they badmouthed them! which isn't to say that the person should have NECESSARILY outed them anonymously instead, but rather my point is that a lot of drama can have unwanted blowback

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago I think this very nearly wraps back around to the idea that some members of the hobby suffer arrested development issues, ha ha.

construct. 4 hours ago particularly in the environment of a bunch of super socially anxious people, abusive situations involve a LOT of gaslighting too so it becomes more complicated than "just come out and accuse someone of being abusive to you" bc um it's not really abuse also have you considered that you are the abusive one for considering that it might be abuse,

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago yeah, and most of the time, telling an abusive person they;re being abusive doesn't ..... resolve the problem

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago it usually just means the person being abused suffers more

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago dang. what the hello is being discussed in these comms. my virgin mind thought it was godmodding and shit.

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago no

construct. 4 hours ago so wg can be a place for people to also glean information on like, whether this person has mistreated other people in a similar way

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago it's not

construct. 4 hours ago godmodding is kiddy shit

merlinsecure 4 hours ago ^ yeah

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago example of rl bleed: tora/nova went to the same school as one of the people who finally spoke out against them and they did their level best to get that person expelled

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago ^

ᴅɪᴀᴍᴏɴᴅ。 4 hours ago in my experience, i've seen a lot of stuff more along the lines of "this person has been pressuring me into threading smut and is being really creepy and aggressive and also sending me porn" and then a bunch of other people are like oh shit me too i thought i was the only one

merlinsecure 4 hours ago ohhh i mean YEAH PEOPLE DO DISCUSS THAT STUFF but obviously it's not... a super serious thing. it usually gets "just avoid threading with them" responses

merlinsecure 4 hours ago but the big things are like-- yeah

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago by lying about the sitch to school administration; the person used wg archived details to back themselves up

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago because tora was profoundly batshit and saw people putting their foot down re: their abuse as PEOPLE BULLYING THEM HORRIBLY etc etc

merlinsecure 4 hours ago a "hey i rp with this person but they're incredibly creepy/ stalking me/ sexually harassing me at every turn/ tried to get me expelled from college".

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago so yeah stuff can bleed over into rl now and then

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 4 hours ago officialbizness without going into details (to spare the plurk), wankgate's let people know about rapists (yes, plural) and pedophiles (yes, plural)

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago and that's the kind of stuff that people are talking about when they talk about wg having been helpful in the past; people who are profoundly abusive in the ooc sphere, not the comm piling on people for having bad icons

hype monger 4 hours ago yeah as with any social hobby, people can be KIND OF FUCKED UP ACTUALLY so the ability to look for information outside your immediate circle is pretty important imo

merlinsecure 4 hours ago current rules in wg are basically "are there deets? is it based in rp? no? thread gets locked."

hype monger 4 hours ago anonymity can be shitty but also can protect people who otherwise would not speak out

holy on main ✝ 4 hours ago wg is actually pretty heavily fucking moderated too

merlinsecure 4 hours ago no rl deets. no private conversations not submitted by one involved in them. etc

merlinsecure 4 hours ago yeah. the rules got way stricter a couple of years back

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago i'm of the opinion that no ruleset on wg is really effective for preventing toxicity because there's a core issue with "talking about nasty stuff" being segregated from "talking about everything else"

merlinsecure 4 hours ago so it tends... to be less hostile than rpa sometimes lol

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago which is what i was on about up top

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago in order for a place to be an effective hub for spreading information, it needs to be regularly visited. in order to be regularly visited, it has to be regularly active

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago but wg is only useful when bad things are happening, so where does the activity come from in the offtime? if people want to talk about regular shit they go to rpa

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago the answer is whining about tagbacks/lack of tagbacks/etc

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago the dynamic between the two comms is weird.

construct. 4 hours ago wg is still a bad environment in terms of the attitudes people adopt there and does encourage a lot of paranoia, which are bad things, but it has also been genuinely helpful, is the moral of the story

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago also wg is definitely the one edgelords go to when they get tired of kiwifarms and want to stir shit

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago and there's no permanent moderation solution to that because all they have to do is post more

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago the moral of the story is don't engage with anoncomms 24/7, it's like running psyops on yourself except they're really stupid, love yourself

catgirl witch 4 hours ago ok i afked a bit to video games and this plurk got huge

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago catgirl witch: YOU GAVE US A JUICY TOPIC.

catgirl witch 4 hours ago i did not know a lot of this

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago also remember that every single anon comment is made by another dumbfuck human being so practice discernment

catgirl witch 4 hours ago apparently so

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago sometimes.........they are made by the same dumbfuck human being

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 4 hours ago honestly i think i'd have less problem with wg if it weren't 1) gleefully chan-like in its attitude/vocabulary, and 2) gleefully transphobic lol

catgirl witch 4 hours ago that said, i still hate, hate wg, i've been dropped and dragged on there before, and i understand that there is a use to it but the format of its existence still encourages shittiness and there is absolutely a better way to do it.

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago I THINK this has been a great discussion and it's hella interesting how there are different takes on anonymity.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 4 hours ago christ, yeah

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 4 hours ago it's one thing to sya "i wish people tagged me more" and it's another to be like "LOL look at this INSECURE LEGBEARD who CAN'T GET CUCKTAGS"

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 4 hours ago GOOD DISCUSSION (app-hittable)

catgirl witch 4 hours ago yeah, what i have known about it made 4chan a good comparison.

catgirl witch 4 hours ago and i was not entirely aware of transphobia there so that's great too

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 3 hours ago wait wg has transphobia

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 3 hours ago cool, people are really shitty!!

Haunt 3 hours ago legbeard? cucktags?

holy on main ✝ 3 hours ago i think it's definitely an imperfect thing but it's also really more the imperfection of man than imperfection of the system

holy on main ✝ 3 hours ago having been dropped and dragged on there myself

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 3 hours ago hauntedreality legbeard got popular a while ago as a "neckbeard but for women who don't shave their legs" thing i guess? usually it's like "legbeard tumblrina/feminist" since wg is that kind of awful

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 3 hours ago cucktags i've never seen and it was me figuring out the most 4chan way to post an innocuous dwrp concept.

holy on main ✝ 3 hours ago though i also deeply understand like

holy on main ✝ 3 hours ago not.... liking it very much at all whatsoever because of having been burned by it

Haunt 3 hours ago lol, gotcha.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago transphobia largely in the form of people insisting that garbage people who are trans are not actually trans, because something something identity changes to escape your reputation, to which a salvo of people will go but they're not making a secret of it there's no attempt to obscure identity

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago and then transphobes flip the fuck out

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 3 hours ago anyway yeah, if a trans person EVER gets brought up - whether a character or a player - evacuate ship immediately and burn the evidence

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago and - yeah

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago the people who hang out on wg day-to-day are infuriatingly kiwifarmish

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago threads that spill over from rpa drama tend to be clean but god damn

catgirl witch 3 hours ago kiwifarm is not a term i know

Haunt 3 hours ago I had to urban dictionary it too. Hehe, I'm too old for this conversation!

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago that's good, keep yourself innocent

catgirl witch 3 hours ago how worried sohuld i be

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago the tl;dr is that it's a forum dedicated to pointing and laughing at people on the internet who channer-types think are weird

catgirl witch 3 hours ago i see...

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago it's an outgrowth of the chrischan thing

♀ ᴠᴇɴᴜs ♀ 3 hours ago if you want to understand what a kiwifarms-goer mindset is like, just try to imagine the type of person who unironically calls someone a "lulzcow"

catgirl witch 3 hours ago noted

catgirl witch 3 hours ago but yeah

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago that's the best tl;dr i can give without making it depressing

catgirl witch 3 hours ago i personally hate wg, i have been dragged before on it multiple times, at one point dragging out things i did literally ten years ago, so like. fuck that place.

catgirl witch 3 hours ago but aside from that

hype monger 3 hours ago I mean I guess if nothing else we've managed to justify it being called a hot take

catgirl witch 3 hours ago i will acknowledge there are uses and good things to the anon comms i had not considered

catgirl witch 3 hours ago A GOOD POINT

hype monger 3 hours ago in spite of early comments

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago ......actually that makes something occur to me that never has before

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago one effect of anonymity

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ is 3 hours ago the handing-off of responsibility for bad behavior from people doing posting to the comm itself

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago i've differentiated in here between different kinds of wg posting - like off-time vs bleedover drama from rpa - because it's different people on the comm during those times

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago which ofc isn't obvious unless you're glued to anoncomms because it's all faceless dumbfucks

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago the idea of "wankgate" being an entity that does things is ultimately kind of a meaningless one because it's multiple groups of people acting in different ways in the same space, and most of those people are on rpa too, and all of them are people in dwrp and probably on plurk too

(ง ื▿ ื)ว Biz 3 hours ago catgirl witch: I agree with you that they shouldn't exist, full stop, but it's good that we both wanted to listen to other points we hadn't anticipated.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago but the effect of anonymity is to obscure that from the outside

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago which is probably why there's that effect i notice a lot, where people take anon comments much more seriously than they would comments from an identifiable person, as though there's authority attached to anonymity

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago (note i don't mean seriously as in LOL IT WAS JUST A JOKE seriously, i mean like giving credence to random-ass rumors)

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago when you see that dunderfuck number three is posting about the actions of dunderfuck number four, you know what games they're in and how much they know about the situation and whether they're a person whose judgment you'd believe

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago but holy shit something that makes anon convos dumb and messy is the amount of credibility people give anons.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago either believing them straight-up or deciding they must be playing eleventh-dimensional chess with deception

catgirl witch 3 hours ago i think it's because of just, there's no way of knowing how many people are there believing it

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago a short anon exchange between two people looks, somehow, a lot more conspiratorial and juicy and ~secret~ than two completely normal people exchanging the same information

catgirl witch 3 hours ago you see an anon post and associate it with the fucking anonymous legions

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago and the legions are likely to be, like, eight people maybe nine and then a bunch of people who went pssshh and moved on.

ɪɴꜰɪɴɪᴛʏ ᴅʀᴇᴀᴍ 3 hours ago and all of that is completely invisible

merlinsecure 3 hours ago wg has slowed down considerably so

merlinsecure 3 hours ago it's a pretty small minority of rpers, honestly

merlinsecure 3 hours ago the only times it booms are when something public/big and ~juicy~ happens and it drags in non-regulars via plurk etc

merlinsecure reply 3 hours ago that said i wouldn't call it chan-like language bc that's... also moderated for the most part