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  2. REA Вчера в 12:44
  3. Hello
  4. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/10/27/old-battlefied-games-killed-after-ea-legal-warning/
  5. Rock Paper Shotgun - PC Game Reviews, Previews, Subjectivity
  6. Dominic Tarason
  7. Old Battlefield games re-killed after EA’s legal warning
  8. All good things must end, and all that we love will turn to ash some day. The fan-run Revive Network, a community project to support and restore online play to several defunct EA games (including Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, and most recently Battlefield Heroes) is closin...
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  10. That is why we don't consult piracy and not talk about it in public. It's only a matter of lawyer's gazing upon a public place to see a leftover online game is being resurrected via piracy. No one wants that to happen to ETQW. It's better to have it functional than not at all. And no, converting demo version to full version via conventional means is not possible.
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  14. grenman11 Вчера в 22:21
  15. Yes, I know this story. And you have no idea how I was outraged that they caved under the stinking EA. It is more interesting to me why they did not submit the project or moved it, to people who wanted to spit at EA. For example, the CIS country's, I am a Ukrainian myself, and I’d personally like to host their servers. And what does EA do to me? Will sue me? I frankly do not care, our laws do not work.
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  17. So the realization of my idea, if it is again possible, even if realization possible only in a piracy way, is a matter of time and the desire for realization.
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  19. And about the Battlefield series, for example, the Phoenix Network is successfully reviving a battlefield heroes and working with Play4Free reviving.
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  23. REA Вчера в 22:45
  24. It doesn't matter if Bethesda/ZeniMax sues you; what matter is their capability of killing the game for good with no effort.
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  26. Let me compare BF2/2142 and ETQW to you;
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  28. BF2/2142 is digitally unavailable, master server is dead, game servers are dead. Revival project could have just revive master server and game server, perhaps they could also get away with distributing game itself. But they got greedy, publicly let people to bypass the CD Key which caught the attention of EA, thus the cease and desist letter was issued.
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  30. ETQW is digitally unavailable, master server is alive, game servers are alive (unranked), update server is alive; as you see the game is technically alive. We do let people to download the game easily but people still require license code to play the game. This is the border that we technically and also willing do not pass. SDK explicitly doesn't let you to expand "demo version" to another content, it's locked. And, by directing people to legally purchase the game, we remain under the radar of the publishers.
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  32. There is no point of endangering the current functional status of ETQW. Existing community enjoys the game as it is and if the game somehow killed by the publisher by the potential piracy, that would be a disaster.
  33. Why don't you just get the game to join us? As you're in Ukraine, I presume you could order Russian or Polish versions from those countries for a cheap price. Don't worry about the language, we can let you play in any supported localization.
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  37. grenman11 Вчера в 22:58
  38. Do you think that Bethesda will continue to support ETQW servers? Are you aware that the current existence of the game is as long as they do not need a server for something better? By inaction, you only contribute to the death of this beautiful game.
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  40. "But they got greedy, publicly cd key which caught the attention of EA"
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  42. Interesting position, and what they had to do if EA completely abandoned its previous projects?
  43. Well, as I said for the Phoenix Network, it’s not a problem to revive old EA projects on a FREE basis.
  44. Actually i dont need to buy a game for play with u guys, cuz i can simply use some cd keys what was shared in internet for a long time ago
  45. But i care about that game globally and want do something for make her alive for a long time, not untill Bethesda tired of support master server...
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  49. REA Вчера в 23:12
  50. Bethesda does not support ETQW servers, ranked servers were shut down years ago. All existing servers (unranked) are set by third parties like TAW, BBA, etc. What is important is the master server and authentication server which are still alive. Let me tell you, as ZeniMax acquired id Software and all id's IP were transferred to ZeniMax, it is unclear who maintains ETQW's authenticatin + master server. Because, authentication server is still using services of Demonware which is a subsidiary of Activision. So, it is entirely possible that it is Activision who runs authentication and/or masterserver willingly or unconsciously. That is why we should not take the attention of big publishers as they could just "fix" the legal complications by simply shutting down the authentication and/or master server.
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  52. The game isn't dead. Pretty much every evening, there's a full server for EU and a populated server for NA. Not to mention biweekly TAW events for EU and NA.
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  54. I am aware of those license codes; ETQW license codes can be used by only 1 user at a time, so if another user happens to use the license code that you have, you simply cannot login. And I guarantee you that those keys are always used. :smiley:
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  58. grenman11 Вчера в 23:19
  59. Wrong about license codes, i do some experiments before, and at the same time on server can be even, a few players with same cd key, u can be kicked only if players with same CD keys was in server browser.
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  61. No one even thought that GameSpy servers will be closed, but time has been come and they stopped working. Same will happen with ETQW master server. I can be wrong but even if master server will die we will be able use direct connect, correct me if I'm wrong.
  62. REAВчера в 23:39
  63. It is risky use a public license code at peak times, there's always danger of being kicked. Those keys are being extensively used by East European and Latin players, so I don't recommend.
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  65. Yes and no. Same would happen ETQW but it's technically different than GameSpy. ETQW depends on 2 type of server to play online; authentication server AND master server. Authentication server checks you license code/online account so you can get in online server listing, master server lists online servers. So, if authentication server is dead, you cannot even play the game online. Direct connection via connect IP:Port still checks your online account. So, no go. If only master server is dead, then direct connect should work.
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  67. I understand your concerns but current status quo is for the best. Besides, I've already explained that there is no way to expand demo version.
  68. That reminds me that authentication server is also exists for demo version, it will authenticate only Valley map. So, no go.
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  72. grenman11 Сегодня в 01:10
  73. Then if we are limited to an authentication server. The only way to save this game in the future is to repeat the experience of the Battlefield Revival project. Own master server, login server (if needed) and so on.
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  75. But do not bend under the requirements of the publisher. I have already offered you solutions to this problem, and I can help with their execution.
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  77. Sooner or later need to do this or the game will die.
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  79. The current state of the game resembles a comatose, whose life will stop when the family does not have enough money / desire to provide life support.
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  83. REA Сегодня в 01:14
  84. Well, if that's your goal, good luck with that. But I suggest you to rather enjoying the game while it still has a playerbase. That's what games are about after all.
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  88. grenman11 Сегодня в 01:22
  89. My goal is to support this game and, if possible, bring it back to the old life. My knowledge at the moment is not enough to do what I said, and if to be clear that's cant do one man army))). that's why I turned to as I thought to the fans of this game ...
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  91. What are your goals? Play a toy until the elder brother takes it away?)
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  95. REA Сегодня в 01:33
  96. Look, I understand you, I understand your concerns. But ETQW isn't an EA game, you might be burned by EA, Ubisoft etc due to their tendency to shut down games but ETQW won't die that way soon. The game is being played by 50+ people, they enjoy it, that's fine. If you want more people to play it, they tell them to get the license code for 5 bucks for earth's sake.
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  98. Not to mention Revival Project replaced GameSpy master server which isn't unheard of. There are literally 100s of games that had their GameSpy master server requirement replaced by simple config edit: ie Rune. ETQW isn't like that. Unlike majority of GameSpy games, authentication server is hardcoded.
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  100. What you're suggesting is technically not possible. If you're willing to decrypt the entire game as well as the mod, good luck. Cause we couldn't. Game assets aren't cyripted, game engine is.
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  102. We are already giving people a very easy way to download the game with 2 clicks. That's the safest way at this point. My goal is to keep informing people about the game, advertise it and organize biweekly events. I really don't like metaphors sorry. ETQW is alive as it is and we're playing it. You are welcome to join us any time. We welcome new players.
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  106. grenman11 Сегодня в 01:46
  107. Okay, that's was interesting conversation anyway. If you don't like such ideas, maybe i will have some other ideas.
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  109. Maybe possible make a launcher with implemented VPN client what we can use for connecting ppl. For allow players play for free as lan game, and that will allow us bypass master server and login server. Yea thats will affect on ping, but we can minimize this problem by bandwidth of the server on which this VPN will be located.
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  111. Win10 users actually using CMD launcher soooo it is food for thought.
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  115. REA Сегодня в 01:57
  116. Honestly, I do not know how much people such application can attract. Cause the existing community will keep playing their online game while new users are locked to LAN. Existing users will never accept compromise their connection.
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  118. Honestly, they best way to increase the number of players is to mass advertise it. I am doing my best to advertise it in English sites but there are many localized sites that I cannot reach. East Europe has a massive potential for such games but majority of people doesn't speak English. Half of EU battalion of my clan is East Europeans and given the fact those "public" license codes are mostly posted in Russian sites, I can safely say that regions offers a lot. I would love to have Russian, Ukrainian and Polish adverts about the game and its community. If the games current population is doubled into 100+, than it would be a great success. And getting license code via physical copies isn't that hard. A guy that I met on Discord got his copy for 3 bucks 2 weeks ago. Come on, 3 bucks.
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  122. grenman11 Сегодня в 02:11
  123. It's not about the money) The question is in popularizing the game again. And what can we do for this? Free to play system and advertising. Or the return of the game to a normal distribution service (gog, steam) and of course advertising.
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  125. But owners and publishers will never accept this, because it is not profitable for them. You probably don’t know, but for example, in Elder Scrolls Online now there are huge problems with servers due to the influx of new players from the WoW, long queues at the entrance to the game, the dungeon search does not work properly, and they can’t fix it for a long time. Did they compensate these problems for the players? not. What for? We pay them and life is beautiful for them.
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  127. Amazon is a little demanded service for such purposes. And thus increasing the community to 500 people (for ex) will take years.
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  131. REA Сегодня в 02:19
  132. Talking about popularizing the game while not caring about a key for your own is a bit contradictory. Demo solution that you theorized is simply not possible, the second solution is simply not viable for existing community. And no, the game won't return to digital stores soon, if ever.
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  134. ESO, WOW, etc aren'T relevant to this discussion. Not really. BTW, the game had its lowest player number couple years ago, now the community can sustain a full server in the evening in EU as well as biweekly TAW event thanks to persistent advertisements of people like me. So, yes, adverts do work. We just need advertise more.
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  138. grenman11 Сегодня в 02:23
  139. If i will own a cd key it will change anything? I just explain that its not very interesting for me play with very local community.
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  141. I mentioned eso just as example, how bethesda and zenimax treat their community, and do their business in general.
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  145. REA Сегодня в 02:30
  146. So you're basically interested in playing the game with a currently not existed, an anticipated "new" community. There are tons or free or f2p games that cannot sustain a healthy playerbase. Just like you say, "it's not about money." Yes, ETQW is great and should have a bigger playerbase. But making it F2P (as it ever happens) doesn't magically open the floodgates for 1000s of players. Yes, it would quadruple its concurrent player number but in mere weeks, it'll go down to 90+ at best. Players usually don't stick with something they don'T pay. And as weird as it sounds, securing a license code assures players to stick with the game. I have been communicating with players for a long time; people I offered those public license codes played the game once or twice and never came back again. Player who purchased the game played it many sessions until get used to it and some of them are regulars now.
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  150. grenman11 Сегодня в 02:39
  151. Yea that's was also happen with battlefield revive project, its hyped at beginning and then community going down, if take as example 2142, even at best days that game wasn't so popular, but after revive its got new players and they stay and continue play in that game. Until retarded EA forced enthusiasts close their project.
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  153. A lot players are tired of same COD every year, same Battlefield every year and, a lot of variations of Battle Royale games. That's why free to play model of ETQW will increase a stable player base of that game.
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  157. REA Сегодня в 02:46
  158. True, objective based, team fps experienced an increase thanks to Overwatch. But you're proposals are either not possible or viable. Anyway, I better sleep, I guess it's quite late fır Ukraine as well. Good night. :smiley:
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  162. grenman11 Сегодня в 02:51
  163. VPN client especially based on softether sounds more possible than previous variant, and don't see any problems for old players and taw community use it. Thanks for conversation and good night.
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