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- (01:25:50) <04@Goldylocks> !next
- 04(01:25:51) <04&Helpster> Johnie: Please state your question(s).
- 03(01:25:51) * Helpster sets mode: +v Johnie
- 00(01:25:53) <07+Johnie> hey Goldylocks, BrandoBBL, me and CoR[72]z came for same reason, to ask same thing, for same matter ofc, can you give him voice, so we can discuss one matter with you pls?
- 00(01:26:03) <07+Johnie> and ty
- (01:26:31) <04@Goldylocks> !next
- (01:26:31) <04&Helpster> CoR[72]z: Please state your question(s).
- 03(01:26:31) * Helpster sets mode: +v CoR[72]z
- 00(01:26:37) <07+Johnie> we came here to ask about akill of sergiox
- 00(01:26:39) <07+Johnie> 915 Sergiox Dupe of Fanatic. User is dead!
- 00(01:26:42) <07+Johnie> i wonder rly
- (01:26:43) <10+CoR[72]z> Goldylocks o/
- (01:26:46) <04@Goldylocks> hi
- 00(01:26:55) <07+Johnie> do you akill main accs for duping or punish ?
- 00(01:27:17) <07+Johnie> cos sergiox is not dupe, that was main acc
- (01:27:20) <04@Goldylocks> can be both
- 00(01:27:34) <07+Johnie> well even if fanatic was dead before all that ?
- 00(01:27:52) <07+Johnie> he died before that
- 00(01:27:56) <07+Johnie> and sergiox was gf
- 00(01:28:02) <07+Johnie> with 31k honor points
- (01:28:06) <04@Goldylocks> if sergiox has questions about it he can come himself
- 00(01:28:08) <07+Johnie> someone with history in this game
- 00(01:28:10) <07+Johnie> he cant
- 00(01:28:14) <07+Johnie> thats the problem
- 00(01:28:16) <07+Johnie> he is awat
- 00(01:28:20) <07+Johnie> *away
- (01:28:20) <04!BrandoBBL> ok
- (01:28:23) <04!BrandoBBL> I did it
- (01:28:27) <04!BrandoBBL> and I can answer
- (01:28:34) <04!BrandoBBL> Goldylocks do you mind?
- (01:28:50) <04@Goldylocks> no
- 04(01:29:34) <04!BrandoBBL> Okay this is addressed to both Johnie and CoR[72]z I guess
- (01:29:52) <04!BrandoBBL> That account was guilty of mass IP violations with the account Frantic
- 00(01:30:05) <07+Johnie> but you couldnt punish sergiox ?
- 00(01:30:09) <07+Johnie> give him punish ?
- 03(01:30:13) * irc.barafranca.com sets mode: -b *!*Nonofyourbusi@Profestum.users.omerta
- 03(01:30:16) * BrandoBBL sets mode: -v Johnie
- 00(01:30:23) <07Johnie> i know him and we talked long about this on phone
- (01:30:23) #help Cannot send to channel (+m)
- (01:30:27) <04!BrandoBBL> Sorry I would rather you listened/read
- (01:30:29) <04!BrandoBBL> ok?
- 03(01:30:30) * Joins: Andresl (Mibbit@e61336.c75808.856c21.af1dad)
- 03(01:30:34) * BrandoBBL sets mode: +v Johnie
- (01:30:37) <04!BrandoBBL> ?
- 00(01:30:42) <07+Johnie> i will listen
- 00(01:30:43) <07+Johnie> ofc
- 00(01:30:48) <07+Johnie> and i didnt came here to fight
- 00(01:30:53) <07+Johnie> just to talk about it
- (01:30:56) <04!BrandoBBL> Good then plese refrain from interjection
- 00(01:31:14) <07+Johnie> i wanted to say
- (01:31:18) <04!BrandoBBL> There is little reason to discuss it.
- 06(01:31:22) * !BrandoBBL waits.
- 00(01:31:35) <07+Johnie> sergiox is someone with huge reputation in this game, with history here
- 00(01:31:40) <07+Johnie> and with all this akills
- 00(01:31:42) <07+Johnie> scripts
- 00(01:31:48) <07+Johnie> he gets akill for dupe
- 00(01:32:04) <07+Johnie> i think whats important more is to punish those scripters
- 00(01:32:08) <07+Johnie> and punish them good
- 04(01:32:33) <04!BrandoBBL> Just let me know when you have done with your speech Johnie :)
- 00(01:32:49) <07+Johnie> its not speech at all
- 00(01:32:56) <07+Johnie> just my point of view
- 04(01:33:11) <04!BrandoBBL> Just let me know when you have done with your point of view Johnie :)
- 00(01:33:19) <07+Johnie> i am done BrandoBBL
- (01:33:37) <04!BrandoBBL> Cool
- (01:33:43) <04!BrandoBBL> And I don't wish to seem rude
- 00(01:33:47) <07+Johnie> you did
- 00(01:33:50) <07+Johnie> but nvm
- (01:33:52) <04!BrandoBBL> Although I guess you perhaps think me rude.
- (01:34:12) <04!BrandoBBL> Ok. Now please stop typing stuff or I will devoice you again.
- 00(01:34:29) <07+Johnie> ok, sorry
- 03(01:34:31) * Parts: +CoR[72]z (CoR[72]z@CoR72z-16568.users.omerta)
- (01:34:34) <04!BrandoBBL> Let me ask you a series of short questions
- (01:35:09) <04!BrandoBBL> 1. Do you think that we should apply the rules as written or make self-judged exceptions on a case-by-case basis
- (01:35:11) <04!BrandoBBL> like:
- (01:35:16) <04@Goldylocks> !done Andresl pm
- 03(01:35:17) * Helpster sets mode: +b *!*Mibbit@e61336.c75808.856c21.af1dad
- 03(01:35:17) * Andresl was kicked by Helpster (pm)
- (01:35:21) <04!BrandoBBL> 'he's my friend I will let him off easy'
- (01:35:24) <04!BrandoBBL> or
- (01:35:34) <04!BrandoBBL> 'I think he is a scripter I will punish him hard'
- (01:35:34) <04!BrandoBBL> ?
- (01:35:38) <04!BrandoBBL> so
- 04(01:35:46) <04!BrandoBBL> Rules or personal decisions Johnie?
- 00(01:36:58) <07+Johnie> there are rules, but then i have to imply with that and interfere with that, cos not long ago i was killed by a duper, who had several accs and her main acc wasnt killed, so she was able to kill me again, and im talking about 3 or 4 dupes and a rly big one stalker...
- 00(01:37:05) <07+Johnie> who even stalked me on facebook :p
- (01:37:09) <04!BrandoBBL> ok
- (01:37:19) <04!BrandoBBL> But you did not answer the question
- (01:37:24) <04!BrandoBBL> which is 'rules or not'?
- 00(01:37:32) <07+Johnie> rules ofcourse
- (01:37:36) <04!BrandoBBL> ok
- 00(01:37:41) <07+Johnie> but there are also presedans, like in law..
- (01:37:51) <04!BrandoBBL> No there are not.
- (01:38:03) <04!BrandoBBL> We don't systemise that
- (01:38:36) <04!BrandoBBL> There are examples where we have applied leniency or flexed our own rules a littel for exceptional circumstances
- (01:38:40) <04!BrandoBBL> but we apply the rules
- (01:38:47) <04!BrandoBBL> that you agreed with
- 00(01:39:01) <07+Johnie> but you rather akill godfather, and someone with several dupes, you dont akill, i cant understand that..
- (01:39:08) <04!BrandoBBL> and I don't want to discuss this in a meandering way all night
- (01:39:12) <04!BrandoBBL> No
- 03(01:39:20) * BrandoBBL sets mode: -v Johnie
- (01:39:22) <04!BrandoBBL> Sry
- (01:39:27) <04!BrandoBBL> or this will go on for ever
- (01:40:15) <04!BrandoBBL> The rules state that we should kill weaker dupe of 2 and the stronger one gest a punish if the weaker one had less than 150 RP
- 03(01:40:19) * irc.barafranca.com sets mode: -b *!*Mibbit@e61336.c75808.856c21.af1dad
- (01:40:24) <04!BrandoBBL> both accs had more than 5k RP
- (01:40:42) <04!BrandoBBL> We discovered dupe 1 (Frantic) becuase it was an Atremo customer
- (01:40:45) <04!BrandoBBL> FACT.
- (01:40:58) <04!BrandoBBL> And that is how we discoverd dupe 2
- (01:41:24) <04!BrandoBBL> When the player came to talk to me on IRC he openly admitted that these accouts were dupes
- (01:41:50) <04!BrandoBBL> And did not allude to the fact that Frantic was scripted - a very loud silence in my books
- (01:42:05) <04!BrandoBBL> And told me that I should have given a 10% punish
- (01:42:29) <04!BrandoBBL> but that is not our rule and I don't see why I should make an exception for a scripting duper.
- (01:42:35) <04!BrandoBBL> GF/nice guy or not
- (01:42:59) <04!BrandoBBL> In fact he could be the Little baby Jesus himself or even Santa and I would not act differently
- (01:43:08) <04!BrandoBBL> Even the donkey and the angels
- (01:43:11) <04!BrandoBBL> ok?
- 03(01:43:16) * BrandoBBL sets mode: +v Johnie
- 00(01:43:21) <07+Johnie> ok
- (01:43:42) <04!BrandoBBL> :)
- 00(01:43:43) <07+Johnie> but i dont think he was on atremo rly, i dont know what he did with fanatic
- (01:43:43) #help Message to channel blocked and opers notified (Rankscripts not allowed (aeu))
- (01:43:46) <04!BrandoBBL> I wish it was not so
- (01:43:47) <04!BrandoBBL> Really
- 00(01:43:52) <07+Johnie> but i dont think he was on atreeemo rly, i dont know what he did with fanatic
- (01:44:00) <04!BrandoBBL> and I might add he was exceptionally rude to me in PM
- 00(01:44:09) <07+Johnie> please
- (01:44:11) <04!BrandoBBL> when I gave my time to explaining things to him
- 00(01:44:12) <07+Johnie> understand him
- (01:44:15) <04!BrandoBBL> vulgar
- 00(01:44:17) <07+Johnie> put yourself in his skin..
- (01:44:22) <04!BrandoBBL> I don't need to
- (01:44:26) <04!BrandoBBL> I play fair
- (01:44:28) <04!BrandoBBL> even against cheats
- 04(01:44:39) <04!BrandoBBL> Johnie
- (01:44:45) <04!BrandoBBL> He WAS Atremo
- (01:44:54) <04!BrandoBBL> 100%
- 00(01:44:56) <07+Johnie> i dont judge that, im even sorry you rollbacked, cos many scripted accs died back then..
- (01:45:24) <04!BrandoBBL> But nor do I judge it
- (01:45:26) <04!BrandoBBL> we proved it
- (01:45:36) <04!BrandoBBL> We only killed Atremo accounts
- (01:45:37) <04!BrandoBBL> ahem
- (01:45:42) <04!BrandoBBL> at the second attempt
- (01:45:48) <04!BrandoBBL> the first was a fuckup
- 00(01:45:51) <07+Johnie> but you said player came to you, to talk with you, you would say sergiox or fanatic, which leads to conclusion someone else interfered here..
- (01:45:54) <04!BrandoBBL> but none of the later ones was
- (01:46:05) <04!BrandoBBL> Not my conclusion
- 00(01:46:15) <07+Johnie> my conclusion sorry :D
- (01:46:18) <04!BrandoBBL> My understanding was that the plaintiff was BOTH accounts
- (01:46:31) <04!BrandoBBL> And he made no attempt to disguise this
- (01:46:45) <04!BrandoBBL> I'd show you the log but it was a private discussion
- 00(01:47:07) <07+Johnie> i respect privacy
- (01:47:18) <04!BrandoBBL> Yes that is important
- (01:47:28) <04!BrandoBBL> if we cannot freely speak everything is lots IMO
- 03(01:48:00) * Joins: MaJeSTiC (POCT@MaJeSTiC.users.omerta)
- 00(01:48:16) <07+Johnie> but believe me Brando, with that you not hurted only him, but the rest of sindikat family
- (01:48:16) <04%puzzle> !next
- (01:48:18) <04&Helpster> MaJeSTiC: Please state your question(s).
- 03(01:48:19) * Helpster sets mode: +v MaJeSTiC
- (01:48:25) <04%puzzle> MaJeSTiC can we pm?
- (01:48:28) <10+MaJeSTiC> turk crew plz
- 04(01:48:34) <04!BrandoBBL> Johnie I never look at the Fam when I pillory
- 00(01:48:41) <07+Johnie> i know you dont
- 00(01:48:47) <07+Johnie> but im just saying
- (01:48:49) <04!BrandoBBL> until afterwards maybe and then only of passive curiousity
- (01:48:52) <04!BrandoBBL> Yeah
- (01:48:55) <04!BrandoBBL> that sucks
- (01:48:55) <04%puzzle> you can try with me MaJeSTiC.. pm
- 03(01:48:58) * Joins: Penta|not (penta@Penta.users.omerta)
- (01:49:03) <04!BrandoBBL> But HE hurt your fam
- (01:49:03) <04!BrandoBBL> not me
- (01:49:06) <04!BrandoBBL> Capice?
- 03(01:49:17) * Parts: Penta|not (penta@Penta.users.omerta)
- (01:49:18) <04%puzzle> !done MaJeSTiC pm
- 03(01:49:18) * Helpster sets mode: +b *!*POCT@MaJeSTiC.users.omerta
- 03(01:49:18) * MaJeSTiC was kicked by Helpster (pm)
- 00(01:49:30) <07+Johnie> he made us players, he showed me leader capabilites and showed me how things work as top
- 00(01:49:44) <07+Johnie> i learned from him how to lead and become one of top in sindikat
- 00(01:49:47) <07+Johnie> he didnt hurt me
- 00(01:49:52) <07+Johnie> he made me partialy what i am
- 00(01:49:58) <07+Johnie> in this game ofc
- 00(01:51:03) <07+Johnie> trough him, i made many friends there, we had meeting several times...
- 00(01:51:07) <07+Johnie> there=here
- 00(01:51:21) <07+Johnie> so i rly think he didnt hurt us
- (01:52:14) <04!BrandoBBL> Well
- (01:52:22) <04!BrandoBBL> It is a widespread sickness
- 00(01:52:26) <07+Johnie> i know how devastated he is cos of all this what happened, and i know he is "valuable member of this society"
- (01:52:37) <04!BrandoBBL> Players have become blasé about their reasons for cheating
- (01:52:46) <04!BrandoBBL> He should come and talk to me
- 00(01:52:51) <07+Johnie> he will
- (01:52:54) <04!BrandoBBL> That is as much as I can offer
- 00(01:52:55) <07+Johnie> when he returns
- (01:53:01) <04!BrandoBBL> Sure
- 00(01:53:05) <07+Johnie> i talked with him on phone
- 00(01:53:12) <07+Johnie> and when he returns , he will
- (01:53:35) <04!BrandoBBL> Ok
- 00(01:53:45) <07+Johnie> i just wanted to talk with you about this cos i think akilling him was somehow unfair with all this scrits down, and he gets akill for duping
- (01:53:52) <04!BrandoBBL> Erm
- 00(01:53:55) <07+Johnie> well he isnt dupe of fanatic, but other way around
- 00(01:53:59) <07+Johnie> but there is where i end
- (01:54:02) <04!BrandoBBL> Well no he did not
- (01:54:13) <04!BrandoBBL> His 2 accs got killed
- (01:54:17) <04!BrandoBBL> one for Atremo use
- 03(01:54:21) * irc.barafranca.com sets mode: -b *!*POCT@MaJeSTiC.users.omerta
- (01:54:25) <04!BrandoBBL> and the other because of finding the first one
- 00(01:55:17) <07+Johnie> well the eding of this discussion will be
- 00(01:55:20) <07+Johnie> he needs to come
- 00(01:55:22) <07+Johnie> and talk with you
- 00(01:55:32) <07+Johnie> then you will see what will happen with his future ?
- 00(01:55:48) <07+Johnie> can you give me 100 millions pls so i can have joy of playing again?
- (01:55:50) <04!BrandoBBL> No he is welcome here
- (01:55:54) <04!BrandoBBL> Sure
- 00(01:56:07) <07+Johnie> ghaha
- (01:56:10) <04!BrandoBBL> I hid it somewhere for you to find
- 00(01:56:10) <07+Johnie> sorry i had to joke
- 00(01:56:27) <07+Johnie> thank you for your time
- 00(01:56:34) <07+Johnie> and conversation
- (01:56:39) <04!BrandoBBL> You are welcome
- 00(01:57:10) <07+Johnie> good bye and take care
- Session Close: Fri Dec 17 01:57:14 2010
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