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- 03:12 Haxwell: yo
- 03:12 Jatie: .
- 03:12 Haxwell: you in the mood for some maps I lost #1 on?
- 03:13 Haxwell: or wanna see if they're anything you want?
- 03:13 Haxwell: since I can't retake anyway :d
- 03:13 Jatie: not now but i can look at them for later
- 03:13 Haxwell: sure
- 03:13 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/730430 Draper - Set Me Free]
- 03:13 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/350648 System Of A Down - Aerials]
- 03:13 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/225356 Lady Gaga - Paparazzi (Speed Up Ver.)]
- 03:13 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/528126 Iwana - Dr. Nyanpasu-]
- 03:13 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/454290 SPYAIR - Imagination]
- 03:14 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/55208 Gunther - Naughty Boy]
- 03:14 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/55555 Rie Kugimiya - Please Freeze]
- 03:14 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/58193 Demetori - Innocent Treasures]
- 03:14 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/87196 La Oreja De Van Gogh - Cuidate]
- 03:14 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/90551 Yellow Zebra - Blind New]
- 03:14 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/45909 Masayoshi Minoshima - Last Remote]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/34627 Danger - 11h30]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/33039 BanYa - Canon-D]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/28837 Lynn - Spaceman]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/115896 Reik - Invierno]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/47149 Yanzi Sun - Meng Bu Luo (Dream Never End)]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/757768 Avizura - Lucky Star]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/180292 Owl City - Bombshell Blonde]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/744042 Ci Mei Gui - Wu Xuan Lan]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/237286 B.o.B feat. Hayley Williams - Airplanes (Feint Remix)]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/223909 paraoka feat. yusuke - center piercing (sakuzyo bootleg)]
- 03:15 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/759911 u's - Korekara no Someday]
- 03:15 Haxwell: ^ this guy's annoying me lol
- 03:16 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/54939 Lil Bit - Forget About Me]
- 03:16 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/280203 After School - Bang!]
- 03:16 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/745231 Savoir Adore - Dreamers]
- 03:16 *Haxwell is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1216127 Manami Numakura - Climber's High!]
- 03:16 Haxwell: have fun :-)
- 03:16 Jatie: a lot of mutuals there but its easy i dont mind sniping them
- 03:17 Jatie: if its easy*
- 03:17 Jatie: ok i saved the log lol
- 03:19 Haxwell: haha
- 03:19 Haxwell: have fun with it
- 03:19 Haxwell: I don't care that much about losing it
- 03:19 Haxwell: Just need not to give people a hall pass for doing it
- 03:19 Haxwell: Since that'll make other people start taking more and more
- 03:20 Haxwell: and I need to keep #1 #1's since it's a selling point with the project for now, after that I'll probably end up quitting together with moving abroad aswell
- 03:22 Jatie: just gonna be real with you, it is not a good idea to keep your #1s at ransom for your own corporate project
- 03:22 Jatie: this is a game, it is about having fun, not to help out youyr business
- 03:23 Haxwell: And I'll go back with the statement that displaying that you can achieve something with gaming, whilst still balancing your life- Is a selling point for the userbase striving towards a competitive career
- 03:24 Haxwell: of course I'll lose #1 #1's eventually
- 03:24 Jatie: i understand that but
- 03:24 Jatie: people dont care about your business interests
- 03:24 Haxwell: But using it as a selling point is valid
- 03:24 Jatie: especially #1 farmers
- 03:25 Haxwell: Point taken, though the target audience are those struggling with videogames along with it
- 03:26 Haxwell: I see where you're heading with the discussion though, but what's needed to be considered is the difference between business & social enterprise
- 03:26 Jatie: yes, but i am surprised you don't see how arrogant it is to say stuff like "don't take my #1s because it will be a selling point for my business"
- 03:27 Jatie: like sure, it is a selling point
- 03:27 Jatie: but cmon
- 03:27 Jatie: you dont see it that way?
- 03:32 Haxwell: What do you mean by the last questionmark?
- 03:32 Jatie: you dont see it as arrogant?
- 03:42 Haxwell: Of course I see why it could be interpreted as arrogant, no doubt about it
- 03:43 Haxwell: But of course there are two sides of the coin, where the other one is doing the best possible to protect your interests- And the simplest way of doing that without spending time (that I don't have) is by just sending stuff over to mutuals and let them do what they want with it
- 03:45 Jatie: well that seems like a shitty thing to do, your mutuals arent slaves to save your corporate interests
- 03:46 Haxwell: no, but people are friends that goes years back that I've enjoyed the game together with
- 03:47 Jatie: you have to remember there are people behind those usernames you see on the leaderboards, both enemies and friends
- 03:48 Jatie: they play only for enjoyment, and people couldnt give a rats ass about your corporate interests
- 03:49 Jatie: whilst i think your a great guy, i think your head is in the wrong place when you say these things
- 03:49 Jatie: you arent playing for enjoyment anymore
- 03:49 Jatie: its to further your business
- 03:49 Haxwell: Of course it is
- 03:49 Jatie: of course it is to what?
- 03:50 Haxwell: I'm 100% aware of it- that my head is in the wrong place when saying some of these things
- 03:50 Haxwell: Since some of them obviously go back to the roots of my own issues with gaming disorder
- 03:51 Jatie: so you agree your only playing to further your business's inetersts?
- 03:51 Haxwell: And even though I still have fun when I play occassionally, I have even more fun working everything around the project since I know it'll end up making a difference
- 03:53 Jatie: but it isnt just an organisation to help people
- 03:53 Jatie: its a business
- 03:53 Haxwell: And what makes it fun playing is knowing that the project will make a difference
- 03:53 Jatie: assuming it is successful, you will make a profit
- 03:53 Haxwell: you know that all the necessary features in order for people to help themselfes is gonna be for free, right?
- 03:54 Jatie: just like facebook is free? is it not a business with the sole intent to make money?
- 03:54 Haxwell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_enterprise
- 03:55 Haxwell: Thats where it's a difference between a business and a social enterprise project
- 03:55 Haxwell: Everyone behind it is doing it in the background of their day jobs
- 03:56 Jatie: whilst theres a difference between for profit and non for profit which is what i was getting at, we are going off topic
- 03:56 Haxwell: You think the guy I'm founding this with is gonna walk away from working with the canadian government? Hell no
- 03:56 Jatie: i didnt say to stop your project
- 03:56 Haxwell: How is it off topic? You're talking business like it's a corporate depending on high-profit in order to sustain
- 03:56 Jatie: i think you should quit holding your #1s random for your 'social enterprise'
- 03:57 Haxwell: Whilst the project have been a low-cost social enterprise project since the first pre-release
- 03:57 Jatie: i agree you should be following your dreams if you think you can make a difference here
- 03:57 Jatie: and perhaps make it your career
- 03:58 Jatie: but all i am saying is that it is arrogant to plug your 'social enterprise' as to why people can't take your #1s
- 03:58 Haxwell: I'm not sure it's gonna turn into my career haha
- 03:59 Haxwell: And of course the goal is sure as hell to make a difference
- 03:59 Haxwell: There's all the potential in the world for this project to turn absolutely massive- why else do you think I would spend the nights awake working it apart from full time job?
- 03:59 Haxwell: Specially when I both used to be and have the traces still of dealing with the same issue, even if they're at a whole other, way more managable level today than they used to be years ago
- 04:00 Jatie: well i appreciate you dreaming big but your going off topic
- 04:00 Haxwell: Of course I want to help those people who's in the exact boat I used to be in years ago, to be able to use the project in order to get out of it
- 04:01 Haxwell: I'm thankful for you making me think about it though, since I really do have to gain multiple perspectives on it
- 04:02 Jatie: all im saying is
- 04:02 Jatie: be reasonable with advertising
- 04:02 Haxwell: I get the point, though between us- if there was absolutely zero interest in it with the project, I would have quit by the ending of last year
- 04:03 Jatie: guarantee many people dont give a fuck about the project unless they can be sure it will help them
- 04:03 Jatie: right now, well... your working on it
- 04:03 Haxwell: Of course I'm aware of how I can use osu! to reach a wider audience, and of course I want to use the position in order to reach a wider audience- hence my interest in keeping it
- 04:04 Haxwell: & that is why the project is driving in the direction it is right now, in order to possibly learn more about the demographics of the userbase in order to tailor-make the platform for those who need it
- 04:05 Jatie: i guess, but people won't give up opportunities to snipe #1s because your corporate interests will be damaged
- 04:06 Jatie: and i wont take #1s to help your corporate interests
- 04:06 Jatie: ill take #1s for enjoyment
- 04:07 Haxwell: which is why I sent them in the first place, since you stay away from my #1's frequently either way
- 04:08 Jatie: yeah, well it is 4am here, im off to bed
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