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- (MUSIC)
- (Host) Good evening. Welcome to the
- Grenada Forum,
- an organization dedicated to the truth.
- At the end of the program,
- our speaker's presentation,
- there'll be a question-and-answer
- program without restriction.
- Feel free to ask any question.
- That's the true meaning of
- freedom of speech.
- Even the press is invited to ask
- questions, if any of them are here.
- As children, we are taught of
- a word called character.
- As adults, we seldom run into
- those with it. (laughter)
- Leastwise in the media or
- nside the Beltway.
- It takes character to stand alone
- and, like David, challence Goliath.
- Like Terry Reed of Compromised,
- Like Gary Aldrich of Unlimited Access,
- like Chris Ruddy of Death of Vince Foster,
- like Ambrose Pritchard of
- The London Daily Telegraph.
- We have men of character in our own midst.
- They seldom are forced into the limelight
- until the conduct of others that betray
- their public trust force the issue.
- The fabric of our society has been torn
- by some that have an agenda
- and have suppressed it.
- On November 15th of 1996,
- just three months ago,
- a dedicated true patriot stood his ground
- and did what we call... what we can appreciate.
- Picture in your mind's eye
- CIA Director John Deutch
- on a propaganda mission to Los Angeles
- to calm the waters as a result of article
- that appeared in the
- San Jose Mercury News.
- He was hosted by Congresswoman
- Juanita McDonalds.
- Without blinking an eye,
- our speaker said,
- "I am a former Los Angeles
- Police Narcotics Detective,"
- "And I can tell you that the Agency"
- "has been dealing in drugs in
- this country for a long time."
- It is my distinct pleasure and honor
- to greet in the behalf
- of the Granada Forum
- and introduce a man who deserves
- our respect and attention.
- Please welcome Mr. Michael Ruppert.(applause)
- (Michael) Thank you.
- Thank you very much.
- I guess the first thank you
- I'd like to give tonight
- is to someone who's not here:
- Mr. Peter Ford of KIAV Radio,
- who introduced me to you all,
- and who made it possible for me
- to be here tonight.
- I did a show last night
- from midnight to 2:00,
- and it was a wonderful experience.
- And if what we do tonight is
- anything like that,
- I think we're all gonna have a lot of fun.
- I would also like to thank Anne,
- who was very kind to make
- arrangements for me tonight.
- In 19 years, this is the first chance,
- believe it or not, that I have had
- to address an assembled group of
- people on one issue
- and to teach what I know,
- to share my experiences.
- I've done it in snippets;
- I've done it on radio talk shows;
- but never with the opportunity to lay
- out some evidence and make a case.
- And I'm very grateful for that:
- it was a long wait.
- And I am here tonight in two capacities.
- If there's any lawyers in the room,
- I'll pray for you but... (laughter)
- You know that in a court of law,
- they talk about evidence.
- And one of the first kinds,
- and actually the most preferred
- kind of direct evidence
- is witness testimony.
- And all over the major media
- and in Congress,
- you hear statements that there is
- no evidence that CIA deals drugs.
- Well, a wittnss can raise his hand
- under oath in court,
- and that becomes evidence when
- he tells his story.
- And I have evidence to give you
- from my own experience.
- I am also here as a detective,
- if you will,
- although I have not carried a bad for...
- since November 30th, 1978,
- I consider myself to have been a detective
- working on one case for all these years.
- And so I'm going to present to you
- some of that evidence tonight.
- I want to start by giving you just
- a little historical background;
- and you'll see all these books
- on the table here.
- And I don't know if they're
- in frame or not;
- they're probably not.
- But you'll see The Big White Lie
- by Michael Levine
- who is a former DEA Station Chief
- -- or country attaché, they call it --
- from Argentina.
- He was present in Argentina
- in 1980
- when the Central Intelligence Agency
- installed [in Bolivia] the government
- of Luis García Meza,
- who was a cocaine lord,
- and gave him the whole country.
- And that was done in conjunction
- with the Argentine military.
- García Meza's Chief of Security
- was Klaus Barbie,
- the Butcher of Lyons.
- So there was heavy Nazi infiltration
- into the Argentinean military.
- Mike Levine was there.
- He documented it; he protested it;
- and of course it fell into this black hole
- that those of us in law enforcement
- know so well.
- The next book that you see there
- is written by the only man
- that I'm aware of
- who's been at this longer
- than I have.
- And I'm gonna hold this one up.
- It's called The Politics of Heroin.
- It was originally called The Politics
- of Heroin in Southeast Asia,
- by Professor Alfred McCoy.
- Published first in 1972.
- That's 25 years ago, OK?
- It is a Bible for those of us who do this.
- When we talk about names, dates, places:
- the names, the dates, and the places
- are in here.
- Now, again, if there's any lawyers
- in here,
- lawyers love to sue people, OK?
- Why is it that this book has
- never been sued?
- There's a saying in the law:
- "The truth is an absolute defense
- against libel."
- OK?
- This is one of our major Bibles.
- It's in here.
- It was recently revised and updated
- to include all kinds of information
- on Iran-Contra, OK?
- The next book that I want to show you...
- actually, there are two, both written
- by the same authors.
- And these two men, I know both of them.
- They're both brilliant men.
- Professor Peter Dale Scott is a Professor
- of English, believe it or not,
- at UC-Berkeley.
- He got into this many years ago,
- and he had a Ph.D,
- and he is a dedicated researcher.
- His co-writer, Jonathan Marshall, is a...
- About as rare as a good lawyer,
- he's a good reporter.
- He works for the San Francisco Chronicle.
- He's an award-winning journalist.
- Neither one of these two books,
- which name names, dates, places, times,
- quantities, relationships, documents
- have ever been sued. Ever. OK?
- So when Jack Blum,
- who was Chief Counsel for this Kerry
- Committee during the Iran-Contra era,
- recently testified to your friend
- and mine Arlen Spector,
- he said, "We don't need to go out
- and investigate: we know."
- What he was alluding to,
- is what is contained specifically
- in this book,
- which is all about Iran-Contra.
- Names, dates, places, computer logs:
- everything, it's all in here, OK?
- We already know. We don't have
- to investigate.
- We know the CIA deals drugs.
- And of course the Los Angeles Times
- completely omitted
- any reference to Jack Blum's testimony
- in their stories.
- These two books will give you
- anything you need to refute...
- you could take Oliver North apart
- with about ten pages from this book alone,
- and bury him. OK?
- The last book that I wanted to show you,
- it's almost impossible to get
- in this country.
- I wonder why?
- You can get it in Canada.
- Written by my dear friend
- Celerino Castillo.
- Cele was a DEA agent.
- He's a decorated Vietnam vet
- who served first in Peru,
- and then in the Iran-Contra era
- he served in Central America.
- He served in Honduras and Salvador
- and Guatemala;
- and he was at Ilopango Airport,
- which was the major Contra supply
- airport in El Salvador
- for the northern front of the
- Contra war effort.
- And he describes in this, at the airport,
- two hangars:
- Hangar Four and Hangar Five.
- Now, he's got the records.
- Hangar Four was the CIA hangar;
- Hangar Five was the NSC hangar:
- Both controlled by Oliver North.
- He recorded tail numbers;
- he watched the cocaine being loaded;
- he talked to the pilots;
- he got the flight plans;
- he watched as the planes
- were given gratis entry
- across the border in the United States.
- He wrote reports.
- And what happened was
- Ambassador Edwin Corr
- -- who is now teaching at the
- University of Oklahoma at Norman --
- came to Cele and said, "Leave it alone,
- bud. It's a White House operation."
- That's evidence. That's a clue.
- (laughter)
- Cele had this wonderful experience
- of going to a formal dinner at
- the US Embassy in El Salvador.
- And the guest of honor that night
- was Vice-President George
- Herbert Walker Bush.
- (audience: "Ooh!")
- So Cele was there, and Bush was there,
- and they bring Bush over to Cele,
- and, "Mr. Vice-President, this is Celerino
- Castillo, our senior DEA agent."
- and: "How do you do?" -- Mr. Bush --
- "You're a hero to the country."
- Cele said, "Mr. Vice-President:
- I've gotta talk to you!"
- "There's something really
- wrong going on here!"
- "They're flying drugs out of four and five,
- and CIA's behind it!"
- And George Bush said,
- "Nice to meet ya,"
- And walked away, you know.
- Don't let anybody tell you
- there is no evidence.
- There is a mountain of evidence
- already in existence, OK?
- It is irrefutable; it is iron-clad.
- All right?
- Now, given that, I want to paint
- a little picture for you.
- I want to go back historically,
- because my own experience is going
- to add a little dimension to this for you.
- Picture that I have a blackboard behind me
- -- which I don't, OK? --
- But say there's a blackboard
- and we're gonna say that right here
- is Southeast Asia,
- and right here is the United States,
- and right here is South America,
- and over here is the Middle East, OK?
- Somebody was talking earlier about
- organized crime and CIA.
- And of course, my opinion is CIA is
- organized crime. (laughter)
- In the Second World War,
- some deals were made between
- the Office of Strategic Services
- and the Mafia in New Orleans.
- We were afraid of Nazi sabotage,
- so we took a guy named Lucky Luciano
- out of prison in New York.
- And he guaranteed that there would be
- no sabotage on the docks in New York.
- We took a guy named Vito Genovese
- -- I like that: (exaggerated, languorous
- Italian accent) Vito Genovese
- And we let him to back to Sicily
- so spy on it so we could go and invade
- Sicily when Patton went in there.
- Of course, they went right back
- into the drug business.
- They went right back into
- their operations.
- The bond is very, very close.
- Stop there: fast-forward to 1954.
- 1954: Diên Biên Phu.
- The French were kicked out
- of Indochina.
- Now, almost everybody knows that
- the Golden Triangle in Indochina
- is where most of the world's heroin
- has come from for a long time.
- It is the largest opium-growing
- region in the world.
- There are several others.
- The French, in order to sustain their war,
- had been paying the local tribesmen,
- the Hmong tribesmen,
- and Kuomintang
- -- the Chinese who were
- kicked out of China --
- with opium: which was a long holdover
- from the British opium trade
- from the 18th Century.
- When the French went out,
- we filled that void,
- and we went some people to Indochina.
- Their names were Aderholt, Singlaub...
- -- does that ring a bell to anybody? --
- there was also a guy by the name
- of Paul Helliwell,
- and there was a guy by the name
- of Richard Stillwell,
- and these are the people that we
- sent into Southeast Asia, CIA,
- to take over where the French left.
- Extremely well-documented.
- And one of the first things
- John Singlaub did,
- and one of the first things
- Paul Helliwell did,
- was to take over the payment
- of Kuomintang and other
- rebels with heroin.
- It was just the way you did business.
- As we moved closer to the Vietnam era,
- that trade began to expand
- because of the relationship
- between CIA and the Mafia.
- As we get to the Vietnam War...
- now, again, picture I'm drawing on the
- board up here some other names.
- If we fast-forward to the Vietnam era,
- I'm gonna write some other
- names in Southeast Asia:
- Theodore Shackley: Station Chief
- in Laos; later, Station Chief in Saigon.
- Richard Secord: anybody ever
- hear that name? (laughter) Nah.
- Richard Armitage: anybody
- ever hear that name?
- Eric von Marbod: anybody
- ever hear that name?
- OK. von Marbod was in the military at
- the time, Department of Defense.
- They all worked extremely
- closely together.
- Tom Clines is another one who was
- Ted Shackley's deputy in Laos.
- Extremely well-documented.
- There are still living witnesses.
- There are Air America pilots still alive
- who later became involved in Iran-Contra,
- that we ran the whole war in Laos...
- -- which was completely without, outside
- of Congressional oversight --
- with heroin.
- We've all heard the stories about heroin
- coming back in body cavities
- in the dead GIs.
- Air America: Air Heroin, OK?
- The black planes.
- In the last 19 years, I have spoken
- to more than a dozen members
- -- former members --
- of the US Army Special Forces,
- the Green Berets,
- who were sometimes ordered
- to carry the heroin by CIA.
- We ran this whole war there
- on heroin money.
- That heroin money did not
- just pay for the war:
- it paid for a lot of other things.
- Now, what happened is...
- -- and the picture I want
- to paint to you is --
- I don't know if anyone here is familiar
- with the disease of alcoholism? OK?
- I happen to be an alcoholic.
- I'm sober 14 years, OK?
- So I know a little bit about it. (applause)
- And what happens is that it's
- a progressive disease.
- One is too many, and ten thousand
- is not enough.
- Once you take a little,
- you have to take more,
- and there's no way to stop
- until you crash and burn,
- until you eventually burn yourself out.
- What happened in Vietnam
- was that by 1970,
- the heroin trade had spilled over,
- and we were selling it to our own GIs.
- One third of the GIs in Vietnam were
- addicted to heroin when they came back.
- OK? They were smoking it or tootin' it.
- They'd get what's called
- a stomach jones, OK?
- So, that war continued, I think,
- until the military-industrial complex
- kind of milked it for all it was worth,
- and until White Middle America
- took to the streets.
- OK?
- 1975, it ended.
- Now I'm gonna tell you about my story,
- because this is where I come
- into the picture.
- I come from a CIA family.
- I was born in Washington, DC.
- My father was an Air Force officer;
- he worked for Martin-Marietta
- building the Titan IIICs which
- put up the Keyhole Spy Satellites.
- My father's cousin Barbara was CIA;
- her husband Sam had been OSS,
- even before CIA.
- They both did 25, 30 years and
- retired from the Agency.
- My mother had been Army Intelligence
- working in the code-breaking section
- in the Pentagon
- during the Second World War.
- So I come from a family of spooks,
- and I will tell you: it was a
- dysfunctional family. (laughter)
- I was an honors student; I am an honors
- graduate in Political Science from UCLA.
- I went there from '69 to '73,
- and I was one of two living Republicans
- on the UCLA campus during
- those years. (laughter)
- The other one was a guy by
- the name of Craig Fuller.
- Now, I was chosen to intern
- for Chief Ed David as LAPD,
- having been groomed and
- having already been spotted
- as part of -- what? -- the Establishment?
- The in-crowd? An up-and-comer.
- Craig was chosen to intern
- for Governor Ronald Reagan.
- Craig was George Bush's Chief of Staff
- during Iran-Contra.
- As I was chosen to intern for Chief Davis,
- I began...
- I was exposed to people
- from Army Intelligence
- and an operation known as Garden Plot.
- I was told that I had a Q Clearance
- when I was 20 years old,
- and I had to go home and ask my father
- what the hell a Q Clearance was:
- I didn't know!
- In the Organized Crime
- Intelligence Division,
- I got exposed to one guy in particular
- by the name of John Xavier Bach,
- and I was told that he had... or, he
- was a CIA-connected guy in LAPD.
- Well, it gets to where I'm just about ready
- to graduate from UCLA in 1973.
- I'm magna cum laude,
- and the world is my oyster.
- I had interned for LAPD for three years.
- My family buys me a plane ticket;
- I go back to Washington, DC,
- and I go for an interview with the CIA
- in the old Executive Office Building.
- And here's this guy behind this desk
- with this huge CIA emblem
- on the wall behind him.
- And he says, "Mike, I've looked
- at all your stuff."
- "You're just a wonderful kid."
- "You've got a great background; you're in
- great shape..." you know, da-da-da.
- "What we'd like you to do is
- to graduate from UCLA,"
- join the CIA as a Case Officer...
- -- and a case officer is the highest
- rank within the Agency;
- that's the highest level;
- there are levels above that, but
- that's the crème de la crème --
- "And we want you to, then, after you're
- a CIA Case Officer, go back,"
- "and go through the Los Angeles Police
- Department Academy,"
- "and LAPD will be your cover."
- I sat through the interview,
- and I got a stack of papers about
- that thick for my clearances,
- and I said, "Thank you very much,"
- and I came back to LA,
- and I threw 'em away.
- And I said, "That's illegal. I don't want
- anything to do with that."
- I joined LAPD in 1973, was Valedictorian
- of my Academy class.
- Went to work in an area
- called The Jungle,
- which is down near Crenshaw
- and Martin Luther King.
- Was having a great time:
- I was a good cop; I loved it.
- I'd never had so much fun in my life.
- I mean, it was what I wanted to do,
- and I thrived on it.
- I specialized in narcotics...
- -- and then I met and fell in love
- with a CIA agent.
- She came to my regular old cop bar,
- and we met and fell in love.
- This is what we call the "unofficial
- recruitment." (laughter)
- It was more fun than the one in the office,
- I'll tell you that! (laughter)
- And she knew people in LAPD's
- intelligence divisions.
- I didn't even know who they were.
- She kept mentioning this General
- by the name of Lee Goforth.
- And I'm going, "Well, who the heck is he?"
- "Well, he's a General, and
- he deals with terrorists."
- I'm like, "Uh, well, that sounds great."
- Then she'd mention organized
- crime figures:
- Carlos Marcello, New Orleans;
- Hank Friedman, Dan Horowitz,
- and other naems like that.
- And then she'd tell me things out of my
- confidential personnel package at LAPD.
- There are two packages:
- one in your division,
- and a master one at Parker Center.
- And then after a while,
- when we got engaged,
- she said, "I work for the government."
- "My people are very interested in having
- you go to work for me..." or, "for us."
- Bada-bing, bada-boom: and
- then she started taking trips;
- and she'd come back from Hawaii and say,
- "Yeah, I was in this room, and there
- were 50 kilos of cocaine"
- "And close to a thousand M-16s."
- Now, me being a narc...
- -- by the way: LAPD, when I was in
- Watts and I confronted John Deutch said,
- "He's never worked narcotics." OK?
- "United States Department of Justice
- Drug Enforcement Administration"
- "Michael Craig Ruppert"
- -- that's me --
- I didn't get it for writing
- parking tickets.
- I just wanted to do that in case LAPD
- was watching. (applause)
- I said, "Look, if I'm ever in a room
- with 50 kilos of cocaine,"
- "somebody's going to jail!" (laughter)
- I mean, what's wrong with you people!
- I mean, here I had been on loan
- to Wilshire narcotics a few times,
- writing search warrants,
- happy to get an ounce,
- and she's talking about fifty keys!
- And I, you know... "Wow!"
- "No, we never touch the drugs."
- "What?"
- "No, we don't touch the drugs."
- "We kind of follow the guns."
- "Okay. I'm not gonna get involved
- in anything that overlooks drugs."
- Well, she related the same stories
- as having occured
- in Baja California;
- in Del Rio, Texas;
- in The Bahamas;
- in New Orleans;
- and I kept saying...
- (responding to inaudible comment)
- Oh, it was long before Mena.
- This was in 1976.
- We hadn't even got to Mena yet.
- And I kept saying, "I'm not gonna..."
- And I thought it was some kind of test!
- You know, I thought they were
- testing my integrity.
- "I'm not gonna do anything
- that overlooks drugs."
- "Forget it: I'm a cop!"
- Anyway, after a while, it became clear
- that I was not gonna roll over,
- and she disappeared. (laughter)
- Very suddenly.
- Right after she disappeared,
- a bunch of Italian thugs walked into
- my mother's real estate office.
- And then I found myself on loan to
- Organized Crime Intelligence Division.
- And who do I find myself working with
- but a guy named Lee Goforth,
- who was a senior detective, Detective III
- in Organized Crime Intelligence
- and a Brigadier General in
- the California National Guard.
- He was also LAPD's representative
- to LEIU,
- Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit,
- which is very heavily influenced
- by the alphabet soup.
- His younger partner, Norm Bonneau,
- and who's in OCID but
- John Xavier Bach!
- So, now I'm having all kinds
- of weird things happen:
- hang-up phone calls, burglaries;
- I'm getting followed;
- I have to spy on my mother,
- gather intelligence.
- This is a little stressful.
- In 1977, I got burglarized.
- Now, she left saying that someone was
- trying to kill her, and that was the cover.
- Somebody stole one of my guns;
- somebody stole a photograph of her;
- somebody got an address that I had
- just gotten on her in New Orleans.
- So my Captain, who was, to this day,
- one of the finest men I've ever known,
- a guy by the name of Jesse Brewer,
- who was the black Police Commissioner
- here in Los Angeles
- during the time of the riots
- -- a wonderful human being --
- went to bat for me. He said,
- "Look, OCID is lying. What do you want?
- Take a vacation."
- I went to New Orleans. And that was
- the biggest mistake of my life.
- I got to New Orleans, and she's got an
- apartment with a scrambler phone.
- And I didn't know what it was.
- It's just like this eight-pound telephone
- that looks like a normal phone,
- but it has a little thing that you plug
- into a wall socket,
- and you plug that in.
- And I had to describe it years later
- to an Air Force officer.
- He says, "That's a KY3."
- At the time, it required a TS Clearance.
- A TS or Crypto Clearance.
- She had this black night vision device
- that she carried around in a paper bag.
- Naval and Air Force NCOs from
- Belle Chase Naval Air Station
- were bringing her communiqués.
- And it was funny, because
- they'd be in civilian clothes,
- but they'd have the military shoes on
- and their military ID card sticking up
- out of their shirt pocket.
- I mean, great disguise! (laughter)
- And they'd bring these
- sealed communiqués.
- And then there was this guy
- named Freddy
- who had been a veteran of the Third
- Battalion Fifth Special Forces,
- who she went out with at night,
- and I got to meet a whole
- bunch of people
- that worked for a company
- named Brown and Root.
- Major CIA contractor. They built
- Cam Rahn Bay.
- They are one the major homes
- of sheep-dipped employees.
- For those of you who don't know
- what sheep-dipping is,
- it's when CIA takes a guy out
- of the Agency spy school
- and puts them in IBM or some company
- as their cover
- to go travel around the world.
- So all these people are
- shipping out for Iran.
- Oh, by the way: I didn't mention
- that Teddy grew up with the
- niece of the Shah of Iran,
- and she used to get letters
- all the time from Iran,
- and Teddy was American.
- And one time the Shah's nephew,
- Shahyar [Pahlbod]
- came and picked her up,
- took her out to dinner.
- So anyway, I'm watching her
- make arrangements
- for all kinds of guns to leave.
- And then later I'm hearing
- her make arrangements
- for certain packages to be dropped
- off on oil rigs in the Gulf.
- And they would be stashed on the
- oil rigs, down on the pilings,
- and bubbleheads, as they call them
- -- deep-sea divers, hardhats --
- would go down and pull up
- the packages of heroin
- at the same time that a service boat
- coming out to bring food
- would arrive at the oil rig, not subject
- to Customs search.
- And the divers would just toss
- the heroin, then home.
- Carlos Marcello controlled the whole
- dock operation in New Orleans,
- so here I saw...
- and the name CIA was dropped six
- or seven times while I was there.
- I saw scrambled communications,
- and letterheads, and all this stuff.
- So they were controlling an operation
- where drugs were going out
- and guns were coming in.
- This is was in 1977.
- So after eight days, I said,
- "Goodbye, I'm leaving"
- "I don't want anything to do
- with you people."
- And for those of us who have
- been through this,
- it is a very painful loss of innocence.
- I can't tell you how painful it is to begin to
- discover that your country is really dirty.
- And you do it in stages.
- You don't let go all at once.
- I came back, I told everybody,
- "Leave me alone," and they wouldn't.
- I kept getting followed, chased.
- I got shot at once in New Orleans.
- And I would up going into a hospital
- for stress,
- basically because OCID said
- they were gonna commit me under one
- of their psychiatrists. (crowd murmurs)
- So I said, "OK, I'm going into
- my own hospital."
- And I got tested eight ways from Sunday,
- and they said I was perfectly sane,
- and I fought a little battle
- and was injured on duty.
- I returned, earned the highest rating
- reports possible in LAPD;
- was about to be promoted; was
- on staff at the Police Academy:
- And the Iranian Revolution broke loose.
- And I started to make some more
- connections,
- and that's when I started getting
- death threats, and burglarized.
- I wound up taking a tape-recorded
- eath threat,
- and I asked to see Chief Daryl Gates.
- Where do you go if Organized Crime
- Intelligence is lying to you?
- In LAPD, there is no place else
- you go but the Chief.
- And I said, "I've got a problem."
- Because Daryl Gates had just
- been made Chief,
- and his bodyguard-driver was a guy
- by the name of John Xavier Bach.
- (crowd murmers)
- And I said, "I can't see Daryl while
- Bach's there, because he's CIA."
- And I got a message back from
- Sergeant Pickering,
- a friend of mine who had
- relayed the message:
- "Well, the chief realizes that somebody
- may be trying to kill you."
- "He's kind of busy. He can give you five
- or ten minutes in a week or ten days."
- "Would you like to make
- an appointment?"
- I wanna show you something.
- I'm gonna being giving this out
- at the press conference
- at the rally that we're doing
- this weekend.
- This is from the Los Angeles Times, and
- the date on this is November 17th, 1984:
- "Officers' Moonlighting Probed."
- If you read this, it talks about
- a Detective
- who went back to Organized Crime
- Intelligence
- named John Xavier Bach.
- And it says... it says here... it says...
- "Copies of official records of the
- California Department of Justice that"
- "contain information about criminal
- history"
- "of members of the Jewish
- Defense League..." da-da-da,
- "government code," da-da-da...
- OK:
- "turned over a transcript of the
- conversation between Glalley and Earl (sp)
- to an employee of the
- Central Intelligence Agency
- whom Ripaski (sp) identified
- as Jack Harmeyer (sp).
- He was moonlighting for the Central
- Intelligence Agency on city time,
- and he was convicted in
- municipal court, OK?
- No corroboration for my story
- whatsoever, right?
- Not according to the LA Times.
- I had alleged in 1978
- that he was CIA, OK?
- So I wound up resigning.
- I got an attorney,
- and I got an attorney who was
- a former FBI Intelligence agent.
- (laughter)
- Don't hold it against me.
- Look we have to learn...
- I was way ahead of you guys on this,
- you know. This was in '78.
- I went to the FBI, went to Sam Hayakawa,
- Bob Dornin, Alan Cranston. (sp)
- Sam Hayakawa was a very gracious
- and wonderful gentleman.
- He was the only elected official
- who ever went to bat for me.
- In all these years, he is the only
- one who ever did.
- Anyway: got on the record
- wherever I could,
- and I documented everything
- I had seen in New Orleans.
- So sum up: the points that I made in
- four-and-a-half hour complaint to the FBI
- that I later made to a reporter David
- Rosensweig (sp) at the LA Times
- -- who, until recently, was Assistant
- Managing Editor at the LA Times --
- to all the Congresspeople,
- to everything else, I said:
- "Carlos Marcello, guns, drugs, CIA, Hawaii,
- California, Mexico, submarines,"
- "Texas, Louisiana, terrorism,
- and rebel groups"
- That was in 1978.
- Item from the Los Angeles Times:
- -- you're gonna love this one --
- "Guns for drugs trade booming,
- reports disclose.'
- From Newsday.
- Times didn't write it, but they
- reprinted this story from Newsday, OK?
- And what it says is: "Carlos Marcello,
- guns, drugs, terrorist groups,"
- "Baja California, submarines, Texas,
- Louisiana, The Bahamas..."
- and everything I had said a year before.
- The LA Times said, "There's no
- story here!" (laughter, murmuring)
- No corroboration.
- David Rosenzweig (sp), after this
- came out, was promoted
- from Staff Writer to
- Assistant City Editor, OK?
- I called the writer for that story,
- Tom Renard (sp),
- and I mentioned the name Bonneau.
- He said, "Wait a minute: LAPD, Bonneau?"
- -- turned through his pages --
- "I've got this guy Bonneau's name"
- "in connection with a CIA machine gun
- factory in Mexico."
- -- "Uh, wait a minute. OK." --
- So he says, "Call this investigator,
- Bill Christianson, who's working for"
- "Deconcini's [Sub-]Committee on Improvements in Judicial Machinery"
- Great name.
- So I call Christianson up and
- I run through all the stuff.
- Now I know: CIA is dealing drugs.
- They're protecting Marcello.
- They're hand-in-glove;
- they're partners, and CIA is
- profiting from the deals, OK?
- I call Christianson, I lay it out.
- He says,
- "You're right! My offices are bugged;
- I'm getting followed;"
- "We were burglarized last week."
- This is a Senate investigator.
- This is 1979. OK?
- He says, "We'll get you back
- here to testify."
- That was the first time I was
- promised I could testify.
- A short time later, I had to start
- looking for a job.
- I was a writer.
- I had been laid off from one writing job,
- and I couldn't find a job
- anywhere in this city.
- And I would see unmarked
- LAPD cars turning up
- outside of places where
- I would go for interviews.
- After about three weeks,
- I took a job at a 7-11 store,
- because I needed to eat.
- My first day on the job,
- somebody calls up and says,
- "Is Mike Ruppert working today?"
- My second day on the job,
- I was arrested for selling
- liquor to a minor.
- The second time I was shot at:
- after that, I was dead drunk.
- I was on my lawn.
- I mean, I really didn't care much
- anymore, and somebody shot at me.
- I didn't even bother
- to report it at that time.
- I was just ready to give up.
- But you can't give up.
- That's what I found out.
- (applause)
- I wish I had a choice.
- I really do wish I had a choice.
- So I kept pursuing and pursuing
- and pursuing,
- and eventually one reporter,
- from the days when we had a paper
- in this town... (laughter) (applause)
- Randall Sullivan.
- I made the front page of the Herald Examiner two Sundays in a row,
- October 11th and October 18th, 1981.
- There's a full page.
- I love this part: it says, "Mike Ruppert,
- perhaps LAPD's most intelligent officer."
- I really like that one.
- If I'm so intelligent,
- what am I doing this for?
- OK, it lays out all this stuff about CIA.
- It actually even finally mentioned
- down here
- -- after the end of two parts
- in two weeks --
- CIA dealing drugs.
- So I am on the record in October of 1981.
- I even have documents back from the
- FBI saying that I said it back in 1980.
- So I do have a claim to some
- seniority here. (laughter)
- What that gets me, I have no idea.
- Now, by this time, Ronald Reagan
- is President.
- Craig Fuller is Assistant to President
- Reagan for Cabinet Affairs.
- Craig Fuller's name turns up
- in this article.
- I had a letter from Craig:
- "Any time you're in Washington,
- come and see me."
- "I'd love to see ya."
- So I fly back with Part Two
- under my arm.
- October 26, 1981, I am invited into
- the West Wing of the White House.
- (silence; single audience
- member whistles)
- And I get into the basement.
- Now, the Senate was gonna say that...
- Senate Intelligence was gonna
- say I was never there,
- because two original White House letters
- were burglarized from my home
- just three months ago.
- The same day that a senior investigator
- for Senate Select Al Cummings
- called me and asked me if I had original
- letters on White House stationery.
- (audience murmurs)
- He's been very helpful,
- by the way, though.
- I mean, he told LAPD he was
- doing an active investigation:
- "Yeah, we were trying to get
- these letters,"
- "and everything Mike said is true,"
- "and we had trouble faxing them,"
- and all kinds of shit.
- Excuse me: I said a bad word.
- So anyway, I get into Craig's office,
- and just for the record, Craig's office:
- if you're looking at the West Wing,
- you go in through the portico.
- You take a hard right past
- the receptionist,
- and on the far side of the reception area,
- there's a very steep and
- narrow staircase,
- because it's built over so many years.
- You go down to the bottom
- of the staircase;
- you take a hard right and come back,
- and he had the corner office facing
- Pennsylvania Avenue and 17th.
- Tell me I wasn't there, OK?
- I sat in his office and
- we talked for a while,
- and then I said,
- Craig, look: CIA's really heavily
- infiltrated LAPD,
- and CIA is complicit in bringing
- drugs into this country,
- and it's wrong.
- Now, I'll tell you exactly
- what Craig said:
- (silence)
- (laughter)
- He did not move; he did not breathe;
- he did not anything,
- until I changed the subject, OK?
- Not:
- "Oh my God, I'm a public servant!"
- "What you're alleging is a great
- outrage to the American people."
- "It's offense to the Constitution
- and any sense of decency"
- "possessed by any human being
- anywhere in the world."
- Not:
- "My God, this is terrible! Somebody
- needs to look into this! This is awful!"
- He just sat stone silent.
- And then George Bush made him his
- Chief of Staff in the second Reagan term.
- And I remember walking out of the
- White House and saying to myself,
- "Self, where do I go now?"
- So I came back to Los Angeles,
- and it was one of the several times
- I tried to put all this behind me.
- And of course, events just
- kept catching up again,
- because in 1981 Oliver North
- was just getting started.
- Now, in January of '82, I went to UCLA
- -- which was my school --
- and I sought out the ranking expert
- on Middle East affairs
- in the Political Science department,
- a guy named Paul Jabber.
- You're gonna love this one, this story!
- So, I go to Paul Jabber's office.
- Now, by now I've pieced
- some stuff together
- about why the guns are going
- and where they're going.
- And I've narrowed it down to probably
- the Kurds, maybe the Baluchis,
- and it had to do with arming a group
- in Iran to fight somebody...
- -- excuse me --
- mildly in connection, maybe,
- with the revolution,
- but I wasn't sure.
- But I had names of people like Shackley
- -- and we'll get to that in a minute.
- See, he says, "My God, Mike:
- your analysis is brilliant!"
- "Did you know, by the way,
- hat I was a CIA consultant"
- "and a State Department consultant
- for Jimmy Carter?" (laughter)
- Do you ever feel like God's following
- you around with this stuff? (laughter)
- And I said, "No..."
- And he said,
- "Listen: I have secrecy oaths,"
- "and I have these agreements
- that I've signed."
- I can't tell you outright;
- but why don't you go read the
- New York Times on these dates,
- articles by C. L. Sulzberger and
- William Safire,
- and look up the Kurds,
- and tell me what you think.
- So I went and did it, and I
- pieced it all together.
- And what happened was,
- on March 3, 1975...
- -- March 3, 1975: April, 1975
- is when Saigon fell.
- Remember the context of history. --
- March 3, 1975: the Shah of Iran
- and Saddam Hussein
- signed the Treaty of Algiers.
- We had been arming the Kurds for
- decades to fight against Iraq
- so that Iraq could not attack Israel, OK?
- Through Iraq. And what
- the Shah said was,
- S"Saddam, if you give me the
- hatt al-Arab waterway,"
- "I can double my oil exports, and
- I'll cut off all aid to the Kurds,"
- "and you can massacre them,"
- "and then your army's free to do
- whatever you want to do."
- So they shook hands at the
- Treaty of Algiers: March 3, '75.
- Within weeks, about 8-10,000 Kurds
- were massacred.
- So I pieced it together, and I
- went back to Paul Jabber,
- and I said,
- "Well, what happened was, then,"
- "in order to keep the Kurds alive,"
- "they used the opium-smuggling
- routes..."
- -- Kurdistan being, by the way,
- the second-largest opium-growing
- region in the world --
- "to smuggle out opium,
- which was made into heroin"
- "and sold here to buy the guns
- to keep the Kurds alive."
- He says, "You're absolutely right."
- "The decision was made at the
- National Security Council level..."
- -- read that, folks: that's
- the White House! --
- to sell heroin to American citizens
- to keep the Kurds alive. OK?
- (Man in audience) Maybe
- that was just a pretext!
- Moving right on.
- Do you guys pay him, or what?
- (laughter, applause)
- OK.
- Remember Southeast Asia here,
- where I wrote some names
- like Ted Shackley, Tom Clines,
- Richard Secord?
- What happened in 1975?
- The Vietnam War ended.
- Ted Shackley moved and became
- Deputy Director of Central Intelligence
- in charge of covert operations
- for the Middle East.
- Richard Secord was transfered
- to Iran as the Air Attaché.
- Richard Armitage was transferred to Iran
- on missions connected with
- banking and finance.
- Is this beginning to sound familiar here?
- Is there a pattern shaping up h
- ere somewhere? OK?
- The same players from Southeast Asia
- moved to Iran.
- The same players from Iran in 1980
- moved into Pakistan
- when the Russians invaded Afghanistan.
- Everywhere these people go, there is
- a huge boom in the drug trade.
- Pakistan, before the invasion
- by the Soviets,
- had supplied zero percent
- f American heroin.
- (man in audience) You mean
- Afghanistan.
- Afghanistan: well, no.
- They had invaded Afghanistan,
- but all of the American supply operations
- were run from Pakistan.
- The mujahideen were armed
- through American bases in Pakistan
- over into the border.
- By the middle of that conflict,
- 40 to 60 percent of the heroin
- n this country
- was coming from -- guess where? -- Pakistan. Duh!
- So, now we move to Iran-Contra.
- The Bowen Amendment says,
- "No more lethal aid to the Contras."
- "Cut 'em off."
- Reagan says, "We'll go private..."
- Oliver North, by the way, started to get
- involved back in Iran and Pakistan.
- He starts cropping up.
- Now we have the Contra
- supply operation.
- And who do we find?
- -- Oh, by the way: John Singlaub
- went to the Middle East, too --
- Now, who do we find cropping
- up in Iran-Contra?
- John Singlaub, Richard Secord,
- Ted Shackley, Richard Armitage...
- all the same people. Oliver North,
- again: the same people
- -- for 40 years, 50 years --
- have been doing the same thing. OK?
- Now we get to Iran-Contra.
- And I'm not gonna spend
- a great deal of time
- on all this stuff that's already out.
- I will give you one specific
- case illustrating,
- and that's the case of Juan Ramón
- Matta-Ballesteros, of Honduras.
- And during the early years of the
- Iran-Contra era,
- Honduras was supplying
- approximately 50 percent
- of the cocaine consumed i
- n this country,
- through Matta-Ballesteros.
- Duane Clarridge, CIA Station Chief,
- had contracted with
- Matta's airline, SETCO,
- for exclusive contracting for
- Contra supply operations.
- DEA station in Honduras was
- ordered closed in 1982.
- Juan Ramón Matta-Ballesteros
- was very closely connected
- with a Mexican cartel run by
- Felix Gallardo and Rafael Caro Quintero.
- Everybody remember Kiki Camerena?
- Kiki Camerena was investigating
- Gallardo and Quintero.
- He was chasing a CIA drug ring
- when he was murdered.
- And I have found one of the men,
- the CIA agents,
- who was on the mission where
- Kiki was murdered.
- And we're gonna get into that in a second.
- Now, I want to backtrack a little bit.
- A lot has been overlooked about the
- role of the US military in drug-dealing,
- as ordered by the CIA.
- Over 20 years of my investigations,
- what I see is several things.
- First of all, what I call the
- "shadow government,"
- which includes many agencies...
- -- DIA, Defense Department, NSA...
- they're everywhere, OK? --
- had used large components
- of the military.
- Many people here... let me ask:
- is anyone here familiar with
- the Watchtower missions?
- I see a couple of hands. OK.
- The Watchtower missions took
- place in the mid- to late-'70s.
- Elements of the Seventh Special
- Forces Group Airborne
- were ordered from Panama by a guy
- by the name of Edwin Wilson
- on orders from a guy by the name
- of Tom Clines
- -- Ted Shackley's deputy; Ted Shackley
- is now out of the agency --
- to take Special Action Teams into
- Colombia and plant radar beacons,
- so the cocaine flights can fly below radar
- and land at Albrook Airfield in Panama.
- Special Forces troops were there,
- including one William Tyree,
- as Manuel Noriega meets the aircraft,
- along with Ed Wilson and a
- guy named Michael Harari
- of the Israeli Mossad, OK?
- There were three series
- of these missions,
- each commanded by a different
- Special Forces Colonel.
- All of these Special Forces
- Colonels are dead.
- Actually, there are five Special Forces
- Colonels who have been murdered:
- Baker, Rowe, Cutolo, Malvesti,
- and Bayard, OK?
- There was...
- it centers around an affidavit
- called the Cutolo Affadavit.
- These are some of my documents
- relevant to Watchtower.
- And I'll tell you right up front
- that the affadavit of Ed Cutolo,
- Colonel at Tenth Special Forces,
- -- he went from the Seventh
- to the Tenth --
- this is the cover sheet:
- it was not written by
- Colonel Edward Cutolo.
- One of the reasons why I know that
- is because he refers to the
- Panamanian Defense Forces,
- and Ed Cutolo was murdered in 1980,
- and they weren't named the Panamanian
- Defense Forces until '85. OK?
- But everything in his affidavit
- has been corroborated.
- He left files with people at the NSA,
- and I know who the people are.
- But we're not gonna discuss
- names there.
- Every aspect of the Watchtower missions
- has been corroborated independently
- by other affidavits.
- We fast-forward to 1978, 1979, '80.
- Cutolo is now commander of
- Tenth Special Forces Group Airborne
- at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.
- And we have an operation
- known as Orwell.
- Due to the massive CIA drug operations,
- they were afraid of leaks.
- Now remember, when I left LAPD,
- it was November 30, 1978.
- Orwell was at its peak then.
- Army Security Agency,
- Special Forces personnel,
- military intelligence personnel were
- ordered to bug and wiretap courthouses,
- politicians, anybody who had
- any knowledge.
- We have affidavits from people
- who pulled mics out of courthouse
- walls in Massachusetts.
- They did John Kerry.
- They did Tip O'Neill.
- They did anybody, any politician who
- might expose these operations.
- Now, we have a Sergeant Bill Tyree
- who was on these missions,
- who had been on the missions
- in Central America,
- who had been ordered to do
- these surveillances,
- -- and he wanted out.
- He got sick to his stomach.
- He'd had enough.
- This was not America to him.
- His wife had been keeping diaries.
- They murdered his wife,
- and they framed him for it.
- We have affidavits from people saying
- he wasn't even at the murder scene.
- We have a letter from the District
- Attorney who prosecuted the case,
- who was gay,
- who was being blackmailed
- by Special Forces saying,
- "Please destroy the videotape showing
- the murderer other than Tyree"
- "coming out of the bedroom window."
- OK?
- There's so much proof that...
- he's been in prison now eighteen years.
- I talked to him yesterday. OK?
- And as we move along with this case,
- we get more and more information
- about Watchtower.
- This -- I will hold up for you here --
- this is what the Army has to say
- about Watchtower (laughter)
- And then they say it never existed;
- it just wasn't there.
- The Central Intelligence Agency -- if I
- can find it quickly, and I probably can't --
- but I have documents that he got from
- the Central Intelligence Agency
- that says, "There was no
- Watchtower mission."
- -- it's a six-page letter in reponse to his
- Freedom of Information Act Request --
- They go through three-and-a-half
- pages of "There is no Watchtower,"
- and then -- badda-bing, badda-boom --
- it says at the end, "We are reviewing
- all of our Watchtower documents"
- "because we've had so many requests
- for them; and as soon as..."
- Then they wrote him and said,
- "Can we have our last letter back?"
- Believe it or not, they did. (laughter)
- These people are not as smart
- as we give them credit for.
- (applause) They use fear as a tool, OK?
- There is so much evidence
- about Watchtower.
- And I have spoken to many
- Special Forces people.
- This came out, by the way, through
- Bo Gritz, who I've met several times,
- after Paul Neary of the National Security
- Agency died of natural causes,
- it was forwarded to Bo,
- and Bo started to release
- it in the early '90s.
- And there is a ton...
- I mean, if this guy ever gets a trial,
- he's free.
- And In my speech Saturday at the rally,
- I'm going to be talking about Bill Tyree.
- I'm going to be talking about the twelve
- or so members of Special Forces
- who have shared with me
- the shame they carry
- at having been ordered
- to do things like this.
- Now, I want to get to someone who's
- even gonna make you feel worse,
- if that's possible.
- Ah, thank you.
- Pardon me, I'm gonna hit the glass.
- This is a guy that I get to take credit
- for discovering all by myself.
- Again, I have such wonderful luck.
- Colonel Albert Vincent Carone.
- In this copyrighted report
- that I wrote in 1994,
- I called him the missing link
- between Iran-Contra cocaine operations
- and organized crime.
- This man was 20 years with the
- New York Police Department,
- a detective,
- who happened to be involved in
- a couple of very key NYPD cases
- known as The French Connection
- and The Prince of the City,
- for which my colleague Jimmy Rothstein
- , a retired NYPD detective,
- deserves great credit as having
- uncovered the CIA links to both cases.
- This is a picture of Colonel Albert
- Carone after his retirement from NYPD.
- He was caught sodomizing
- two twelve-year-old boys,
- and they gave him a pension.
- He had been a bagman and a CIA
- operative for his whole career.
- He is the counterpart in NYPD
- for what they wanted me and others
- to do at LAPD,
- except for... this guy died,
- by the way, in 1990.
- I've held his personal phone book
- in my hand.
- Let me backtrack again:
- the death certificate when he died:
- we call it "the CIA flu."
- The death certificate read
- "chemical toxicity of unknown etiology,"
- (laughter)
- His liver and brain self-destructed
- over a period of six months,
- and no doctor, of about eleven
- doctors who treated him,
- could figure out what was causing it.
- I've held his phone book in my hand,
- Colonel Albert Carone,
- and in that phone book, I found William
- Casey's home phone number
- in Locust Valley, Long Island.
- I found the home phone number
- for Paulie Castellano.
- Anybody know who Paulie Castellano is?
- He's the guy who took over
- the Gambino crime family.
- "Matty the Horse" Ianniello.
- Pete Licavoli.
- More mobsters than you
- can shake a stick at.
- Now, I found a couple other
- names in the phone book.
- Go back to Southeast Asia: remember
- what I wrote on the board up here?
- Paul Helliwell and Richard Stillwell:
- home phone numbers.
- Also key players in a bank called the
- Nugan-Hand bank, out of Australia,
- which was the CIA's drug bank, who had
- Bill Colby as its chief counsel.
- Uh, this is a clue! This is a clue! OK...
- (laughter)
- He went on a mission to Mexico in 1985
- with a guy named James Robert Strauss.
- -- I have no idea how long
- I've been going --
- (Host) You're OK.
- OK. James Robert Strauss:
- who used to brag about
- having taken quiet walks on the beach
- with Richard Nixon.
- I hope they weren't too close. (laughter)
- And he came back from
- this mission saying,
- "My God! We killed two DEA agents."
- "We massacred a whole bunch
- of innocent civilians in Chiapas."
- -- you know that there's a revolution
- going on in Chiapas, now --
- "And I've lost my stomach:
- I can't do this anymore."
- He had been laundering cocaine profits
- from the CIA through the Mafia
- for about 25, 30 years,
- and he lost his stomach.
- Not after sodomizing the boys,
- or killing people, or anything,
- but when two DEA agents finally killed,
- something finally clicked:
- "something is wrong."
- Do we have any other evidence,
- by the way?
- Here is one of the pages from
- one of his surviving passports.
- If anybody knows anything
- about passports,
- he had a black one,
- he had a maroon one,
- he had a green one,
- and he had a blue one...
- -- in three different names.
- Here's a passport stamp showing
- three-day circuits
- from John F. Kennedy, to London Heathrow,
- to Nassau, the Bahamas.
- Could he have been laundering stuff?
- I don't know.
- We have some bank account
- numbers at NatWest,
- the National Bank of Westminster,
- and Coutts & Co., one of which is still live.
- His daughter has it.
- We have military records.
- We have travel records from
- Strauss, Downing and Associates.
- His partner had an insurance company,
- but for a guy who sold insurance
- domestically,
- why would he need to go to
- Johannesburg; Hong Kong; London;
- Kuala Lumpur; Seoul; Luanda, Angola;
- the Jersey Islands
- -- they do a lot of laundering in the
- Jersey Islands off the British coast --
- Casablanca; Madrid... and then I've got
- five pages of travel records.
- When Albert Carone died of chemical
- toxicity of unknown etiology,
- several things happened.
- Every military record of
- the guy disappeared.
- His New York Police pension
- disappeared.
- His bank accounts disappeared.
- His insurance policies disappeared.
- His driver's license record
- in New Mexico disappeared.
- Every record of this man
- was sanitized in the space
- of three weeks.
- His daughter, Dee Carone Ferdinand
- -- whom I love dearly, and who is
- one of my closest friends --
- was left utterly broke and bankrupt:
- wiped out.
- She wrote to Pete Domenici's office
- and sent a picture of this phtograph,
- saying, "My father was a Colonel."
- And the Army said,
- "He was a Sergeant in World War II,"
- and that's what they buried him as:
- a Master Sergeant.
- Pete Domenici's office called her back
- and said, "He rented the uniform."
- OK. All right, well, then we'll just have
- to assume that twelve years earlier,
- he rented a uniform as a Major.
- With exactly the same decorations.
- Hmm.
- She really went to bat, because
- everything was sanitized.
- And she admits that her father
- was not a good man,
- but everything that he had left her
- was wiped out,
- and she lost probably $25-30,000
- of her own money,
- and she is dying to testify
- before Congress.
- I went out and met with her
- in '94... '93, actually...
- and gathered all this information, wrote
- my report, talked to the doctors.
- I mean, here's some of his diplomas
- from Intelligence School,
- and so on and so forth.
- And he was flying a lot of...
- he was involved with people flying drugs
- in and out of Mid-Valley Airport.
- and Mid-Valley is a counterpart to Mena.
- The only reason why Mena is so popular
- now is... two reasons:
- because of the size and quanity of drugs,
- and because it was Bill Clinton's state.
- But there are many Menas in this country.
- Don't confuse yourself here, folks.
- Many Menas, everywhere, OK?
- So, after doing all of this investigation,
- photographing everything that I could,
- I said to her, "Well, from my research
- and all these years of study,"
- "there's only one guy in the world that
- I can think of that you need to talk to"
- "who can help you do anything
- about your father's case."
- "His name is Ted Shackley."
- By the way, did you know
- that Ted Shackley,
- when Oliver North ran for Senate,
- was leasing Oliver North office space
- for, like, five dollars a month?
- No connection, no connection.
- So, she finds a guy named
- Robert Mayhew
- who's living in New Mexico.
- Mayhew puts her in touch
- with Shackley.
- Now, her father's buried, and the
- headstone reads, "Staff Sergeant."
- After three years of trying to get that
- changed to "Colonel,"
- she calls Ted Shackley.
- Six weeks later, the headstone
- says full Colonel.
- We have before and after photographs.
- We have a copy of the order
- when she was...
- she's an Italian from Brooklyn:
- she stole it.
- What can I tell you? (laughter)
- We have a copy of the order
- directing the change, OK?
- No connection. No connection
- whatsoever.
- This case, if we pull this one,
- we'll really pull it apart.
- But how many cases like that are there?
- There's dozens.
- There's dozens and dozens
- and dozens of cases.
- I want to talk about one more case.
- Anybody recognize this guy?
- Colonel Jim Sabow.
- Full Colonel, United States Marine Corps.
- Chief of Air Operations,
- El Toro Marine Air Station.
- Murdered in 1991.
- Now, what's significant about 1991?
- The Cold War had been over for about
- four years, three years.
- Iran-Contra was over.
- Why was he murdered?
- This guy, by the way, was about
- as straight-arrow as you can get.
- Devout Roman Catholic. His wife
- went to mass every day.
- He went every day that he could.
- The "family man of doom:"
- the best family man you
- could ever imagine.
- Spotless Marine Corps record.
- He caught C-130s flying onto El Toro
- with thousand-kilo loads of cocaine.
- His brother is one of the main speakers
- at our rally on Saturday,
- Doctor David Sabow.
- Now, the Naval Investigative Service
- said that he committed suicide.
- Now, why did they say
- he committed suicide?
- Because he sent a bookcase to his son
- on a military flight
- that was flying empty from point A
- to point B,
- and they were gonna ruin his career
- for that dishonor.
- It happens all the time, folks!
- If the space is empty anyway,
- who cares?
- And he says,
- "You're not gonna do that to me!"
- He was gonna blow the whistle.
- But according to the Naval Investigative
- Service and the Marine Corps,
- Colonel Jim Sabow went out into his
- back yard with a 12-gauge shotgun,
- shoved it so hard into his mouth
- that he sheared off the uvula
- at the back of his throat
- -- now, you know, if you're
- gonna commit suicide,
- why would you put yourself through
- all that stuff just to commit suicide? --
- The funny thing about the
- Sabow murder case
- is that he aspirated blood for ten minutes
- after they said he blew his brians out.
- Now, think about that for a minute, folks.
- If you're dead, you're not breathing.
- How can you aspirate blood
- after you've killed yourself?
- It's impossible.
- They also found a deep skull fracture
- on the back of the skull, right back here,
- with a hematoma. You don't hematoma...
- -- that doesn't sound like a...
- it sounds like a dance --
- you don't get hematomas if you're dead.
- That's a result of the body
- trying to heal itself
- and fluid rushing to the wound.
- Somebody knocked him out -- boom!
- Let him lie on the ground for ten minutes
- with a skull fracture, inhaling blood,
- before they shoved a shotgun so hard
- down his throat it sheared off his uvula.
- OK?
- This report contains the reports of
- eight different forensic pathologists,
- who have all said this man did not
- commit suicide: he was murdered.
- The brother, Dr. David Sabow,
- is a medical doctor
- who lives in South Dakota.
- He's been fighting this case non-stop
- since Jim was murdered.
- And he's winning some cases.
- His attorney now is Daniel Sheehan,
- who people have many
- mixed opinions about,
- who was the head of the Christic Institute
- back in the '80s,
- but Danny's doing a good job
- with this case.
- What happened with the Marine Corps
- and the Navy
- as Dr. Sabow tried to fight this,
- was there were some loyal Marines who
- snuck out some records and some notes,
- which said: "Get David Sabow."
- The Marine Corps went after
- his medical license,
- saying that people should
- do illegal things,
- and of course that didn't go anywhere.
- But they have the documented
- records about a strategy
- designed to make Dr. Sabow
- lose his medical license.
- They are trying to move ahead with trial,
- and he just won a major decision in
- the US Ninth Circuit here in California.
- Not on the CIA issue,
- but granting him broad discovery
- to subpoena the military records
- regarding the cocaine activities.
- (applause)
- Again, David Sabow will be one
- of our speakers Saturday,
- as weill Cele Castillo.
- Mike Levine was supposed to come.
- He wound up with a 102
- temperature yesterday
- after testifying for about
- two weeks in San Diego
- in a case where two agents
- murdered a sailor down there,
- and he's been ordered back
- to New York to go to bed.
- So we're going to miss Mike,
- but he's here in spirit.
- So I guess what I want
- to say to you is this:
- this is bigger than any of us think.
- They've been flying in drugs
- all over this country.
- They've been dealing drugs to Americans
- for 40 or 50 years.
- But go back to the analogy that I gave
- you before about the drunk on a binge.
- OK? We can see that it's been getting
- worse and worse and worse.
- They have utterly corrupted
- the criminal justice system.
- When we have a guy like Stanley Sporkin
- sitting on the US District Court
- in Washington, DC...
- Do you know who Stanley Sporkin is?
- Retired Chief Counsel for the
- Central Intelligence Agency.
- He sits on the bench, on the
- US District Court in Washington.
- His email messages read:
- "To Stanley from Ollie,"
- during the Iran-Contra era.
- You want to talk about a chokepoint
- to control key cases?
- I have spoken to people who used to work
- for a company called eSystems in Texas.
- I see old Bob going crazy over there
- about eSystems.
- Their children, one of them had
- had her son murdered
- because he discovered eSystems.
- eSystems makes all the encryption
- devices for the NSA and CIA.
- There is not a secret that
- the government has
- that eSystems does not also have.
- Sitting on the Board of Directors of
- eSystems is Admiral William Raborn,
- retired Director of Central Intelligence.
- We have documented eSystems CIA flights
- dropping massive loads of cocaine
- into Lake Tawakoni,
- landing at the eSystems airport
- in Garland, Texas. OK?
- There is proof. There is an
- enormous amount of proof.
- What do we do, OK?
- What do we do, all right?
- 20 years: I want to share with you
- my experience, strength, and hope
- having looked at this for 20 years,
- being a graduate of Political Science
- from UCLA,
- having knocked on every door.
- There isn't a thing you can think of
- that I haven't tried, OK?
- I'm gonna tell you what we do.
- I'll tell you that...
- there were times, for me, in the 20 years,
- that I've had incredible depressions,
- incredible heartache, incredible
- disillusionment, utter hopelessness,
- knowing that I was going to die
- and never see a day of justice.
- And I'll tell you, I think I'm beginning
- to understand how a slave felt,
- knowing that he was going to die
- and that neither he nor his children
- would have any hope of seeing freedom.
- And there were times when I thought...
- and I used to manage the largest gun
- store in the state, B&B. (applause)
- -- And I got so much good information
- out of B&B!
- Because we'd sell to all these Feds,
- and they'd come in.
- I'd say, "Yeah, come on back and shoot
- this MP-5." And the guy would just
- start blabbering all kinds of stuff to me.
- It was wonderful! --
- There were times when I wanted,
- like others
- -- and I will not criticize them --
- to go to the hills.
- I have no family. I've never had children.
- I was told that if I ever had children,
- they'd kill 'em.
- And I thought about going to the hills
- and giving up,
- and waiting just for a chance
- to go out fighting.
- But I will tell you what I have
- learned in 20 years:
- that it takes more courage to stand up
- and talk than it does to fight.
- (applause)
- What is happening now...
- -- and in a minute or so, I'm going
- to turn it over to Mike Novick
- from the Crack the CIA Coalition --
- what I see happening now is a potential
- miracle of Biblical proportions.
- I happen to believe in God.
- I have a higher power.
- I could not be sober 14 years otherwise.
- (applause)
- I do not believe that my God
- has ordained, for me, suffering.
- I don't believe that he has ordained
- an Armageddon.
- I don't believe that he has asked me
- to do anything,
- but to do the right thing in faith
- one day at a time.
- What's gonna happen Saturday
- is that, in one sense,
- the lion is going to lay down
- with the lamb.
- These people who are in the
- Crack the CIA coalition
- -- of which I have been a part, now,
- for I guess about a month or so?
- Six weeks? Whatever --
- are people you would not ordinarily associate with.
- On a daily basis, I work hand-in-hand
- with a former Black Panther.
- There are people from socialist
- organizations,
- and there are people from labor parties,
- and there are black militants.
- And there are Indians and Hispanics
- and... Democrats! You know? (laughter)
- And I want you to know something:
- these people are standing up for you.
- These people plan to go
- to the street to say,
- "CIA is dealing drugs, and it's wrong."
- And they plan to stand up,
- which is the most courageous
- thing we can do
- to go to the street and exercise
- First Amendment rights.
- And they're doing it for you, and me,
- and the stockbrokers in New York,
- and the rich housewives in Saint Louis.
- And they're putting aside all of
- their differences, saying,
- "This is not about anything other
- than right and wrong." (applause)
- See, what the Agency, what the Shadow
- Government has done for so long
- is to pit us against each other:
- black against white, against rich,
- against poor,
- against gay, against straight,
- against cop...
- We've been turned... you know,
- and we react.
- Last night I was on the show, KIEV,
- and this guy calls in and goes,
- "Well, it's the Communist conspiracy,"
- "and you've got Tom Hayden
- endorsing this, and... my God!"
- And, "They're gonna start violence,
- and it's the Communists taking..."
- I said, "Wait a minute.
- Hold it just a minute!"
- "You know, sure, there were
- Communists,"
- "and they weren't good people."
- "But how about the fact that we brought
- all these Gestapo and SS"
- "into our Special Forces and our
- Central Intelligence Agency?"
- "Those are Nazis!"
- I said, "Why don't we just do this
- like, 'I'm a cop.'"
- "'I don't care what political party
- a bad guy belongs to'"
- "'I just want to make the arrest,
- you know?'"
- (applause)
- If we can do what I'm hoping
- we can do on Saturday,
- we will have 10, 15,000 people
- in the streets.
- And I pray to God some of you are there.
- And there are people coming from
- various parts of the country,
- and there are people
- from the right as well.
- And we can have a show of Americans
- standing up in the street for
- American rights,
- So that when we do get justice,
- everybody can go back to
- doing their own thing.
- But if we do not hang together,
- we shall all surely hang separately. OK?
- (applause)
- We're trying to do something
- which is really dangerous,
- and if we pull it off, we're gonna
- scare the bad guys to death.
- We are gonna make a statement,
- when they look through the crowd
- and see who's there,
- and see that we can pull this off
- non-violently, peacefully, with
- enthusiasm and cooperation.
- This is something that hasn't been done.
- It takes more courage to stand up
- than it does to fight.
- It takes more courage to talk
- and to say "I believe,"
- "And I am willing to say you are wrong."
- Because we're afraid of the ostracism:
- well, let's stand up together and see
- if we can't change something.
- I want to call upon Mike, and we'll
- et him talk for a few minutes.
- Then we'll take questions.
- (applause)
- (Michael Novick) Talk about
- a tough act to follow.
- That's a pretty amazing set of facts,
- but really, the life that this
- man has lived
- to come to this momement and
- be here with us,
- I think is incredible.
- And I really want to thank Mike
- for his tremendous courage
- and his openness to just deal with
- the truth and the speak the truth
- and the face the consequences of that.
- And I think it's something
- we all have to do.
- And I am here, basically, tonight,
- to tell you a little bit about the
- Crack the CIA Coalition,
- and about the demonstration.
- There are flyers here, and we'd like
- to urge you to take some flyers
- and pass them out in the next day or two
- to bring people.
- We want this to be as massive
- and as broad
- and as open and as democratic a
- demonstration as it's possible to have.
- We have a set of principles of unity,
- and the principles are that
- we are opposed
- to the crimes that the CIA
- has committed
- against the people of this country
- and against other people
- around the world,
- and I think one of the things
- that has become very clear to us
- in doing this work
- is that it's impossible to protect
- ourselves, somehow
- by the use of agencies like the CIA.
- Because the crimes that they carry out,
- supposedly, in our name,
- somehow to protect the
- American way of life,
- are crimes committed against us
- every single day.
- And that the crimes they committed
- in Nicaragua,
- and the crimes they committed
- in other parts of the world
- inevitably are going to affect us.
- And we see the destruction they've
- created, the devastation,
- not only in South-Central Los Angeles,
- but in every village and hamlet
- in this country.
- And crack is not something,
- now, they thought
- that they could dump in one community
- and somehow destroy that community
- and not have it spread out
- throughout the society.
- So we're seeing the tremendous
- connections between what's going on.
- And people here, I know, have
- no love for Bill Clinton, I'm sure.
- And I think it's important to understand
- that the people in this coalition
- are not in any way part of the coalition
- that Bill Clinton represents.
- The people in this coalition
- are a coalition
- of forces trying to claim their
- humanity, defend themselves,
- to recognize the need for solidarity
- to deal with this.
- And I've been on talk radio,
- and I used that word once,
- and somebody said, "When I hear that
- word, solidarity, I wanna lock and load."
- (laughter)
- But I'm telling you that that's
- what you need.
- That if you want to deal with the CIA,
- if you want to deal with Bill Clinton,
- you have to recognize what they're about.
- And they're about an empire.
- And the problem with Bill Clinton is
- not whether you think he's a socialist
- or you think he's a moderate,
- or you think he's this or that.
- Bill Clinton is an emperor,
- and that's the problem with Bill Clinton.
- And Bill Clinton wants you
- to be subjects of his empire.
- And if you want to have any other status
- than as a subject of that empire,
- then you have to stand with the former
- Black Panthers in this coalition,
- and you have to stand up on Saturday
- and say that Bill Clinton and the CIA are
- not committing these crimes your names
- or in our names,
- and if we want to protect ourselves
- from those criminals,
- we have to take action with all the
- good people of South Central,
- the good people of East Los Angeles,
- the good people of the San Fernando
- Valley have to stand up together,
- and say, "We want a different
- and a better world together."
- So I would like to urge you
- to come out on Saturday.
- I would also like to urge you, if you
- have some funds to make available,
- I know that you all have your own needs
- and demands,
- but as a representative of this coalition,
- I'd like to give you the address
- for a moment.
- We have a PO Box.
- it's the Crack the CIA Coalition,
- and it's PO Box 191601,
- Los Angeles, California, 90019.
- We've been fronting out money to
- bring Cele Castillo to Los Angeles,
- to bring Dr. David Sabow from
- South Dakota to Los Angeles,
- to bring documentation information
- and to put on this demonstration,
- and so we want you definitely
- to come out and support.
- We want you to be a part
- of this process.
- We are not stopping with the
- demonstration tomorrow.
- The demonstration tomorrow
- is the beginning.
- We are co-sponsoring on March 15th
- -- and everyone here is certainly
- welcome to come --
- a teach-in on all of this material
- at Fairfax High School in the
- city of Los Angeles.
- That will be beginning, I believe,
- at eleven o'clock on March 15th,
- which is a Saturday in
- about three weeks.
- We're gonna be having
- Peter Dale Scott,
- the author of the books that
- Mike Ruppert mentioned,
- the Cocaine Politics.
- We're gonna be having
- Dr. Alfred McCoy,
- the author of the leading
- book on this,
- what he referred as "the Bible."
- And all of this effort is the effort
- to expose these truths and these
- realities to all of you
- and to the rest of us,
- to educate ourselves,
- to mobilize ourselves and to support
- each other in this movement.
- And that's what it's going to take.
- It's going to take a movement to resist,
- to counter the lies,
- and to expose ourselves
- to some truth that...
- people here certainly understand
- what's disseminated in the media
- bears very little relation to reality.
- but you might want to re-think
- some of the things
- that you have absorbed from
- those same media,
- criminalizing and castigating and
- demonizing people on the left
- who might have something to share
- and something to offer you.
- Demonizing people who have stood up:
- there's a man named Michael Zinzun,
- for example,
- who is involved with the gang truce,
- a former Black Panther. Not closely
- involved in this coalition,
- but he is somebody who... files
- were taken out of the LAPD
- to prevent him from running for
- the City Council in Pasadena.
- These crimes go on and on and on,
- and they will not be stopped unless
- people stand up and say, "No more."
- So we're trying to do that on one
- particular day,
- but in a very long-term way.
- And we're happy to dialogue
- about these things.
- And I think you for the time.
- I thank Michael for his tremendous
- presentation,
- and I think we owe him a
- tremendous debt of gratitude.
- (applause)
- OK, we're gonna have questions.
- Questions from the back of the room.
- So those of you who have questions
- Mike will be glad to try
- and answer for you.
- So please feel free to...
- I'm sorry, the leaflet actually
- (xx) asked:
- Twelve Noon at City Hall,
- Downtown Los Angeles,
- First and Spring Street.
- We'll be marching from there
- to the LA Times,
- to the Los Angeles Federal Building,
- and then back for a rally at City Hall.
- (inaudible off-mic)
- We have a permit. We obtained a permit.
- We are marching with police
- at a distance,
- But it's a complely legal march;
- it's a completely non-violent march.
- We're there to express these truths
- and to take a stand on these issues.
- (Woman) Mr. Ruppert?
- Yes.
- (Woman) You mentioned the
- Secret Government.
- (Woman) Do you see the CIA
- as the ultimate executive?
- (Woman) Or who is the ultimate executive
- behind the wrongdoing we see?
- I tend to be, when I answer... well,
- I'm always asked this question.
- And I tend to.. I try to be
- fairly conservative,
- because I try to approach this
- as a detective
- and answer with evidence that I have.
- If you'll recall, I mentioned Paul Jabber,
- the UCLA Political Science professor?
- Shortly after I met with him,
- he left UCLA
- to become Vice-President
- of Banker's Trust
- He took over as Chair of the
- Middle East Department
- of the Council on Foreign Relations.
- That's where I see a lot of this going.
- The more I try, logically, as a detective,
- using intuitive inductive logic
- to get to the bottom of this,
- I come to banks. that's where I come.
- I come to banks.
- And of course, most of the banks
- are foreign-owned.
- Especially...
- (Man off-mic) Follow the money.
- Follow the money. That's the bottom line.
- (Woman) Do you know if Brian Quaig
- (sp) is all right? I assume you know him?
- Who?
- (Woman) Brian Quaig of Phoenix?
- He's the one with the Internet site
- with all of the material that you have
- been speaking about this evening?
- Yeah, I'm not familiar with him.
- (Woman) Oh, you don't know him?
- No.
- (Woman) The book, LA's Secret Police,
- Mike Rothmiller
- (Woman) Is that fairly accurate?
- Yes, I know Mike Rothmiller.
- And what's interesting about that is that
- Mike touched on a couple of things.
- LAPD has been heavily, heavily
- infiltrated by CIA for a long time.
- Bill Parker, who was a
- legendary Chief here,
- hated the FBI.
- And he invited CIA lock, stock, and barrel
- to come in to LAPD.
- And there are documented cases
- during the Iran-Contra era
- of one detective named Hamilton,
- of Organized Crime Intelligence,
- coming off an airplane
- with the Mexico City Chief of Police
- Arturo Durazo
- -- who was under indictment
- for drug corruption --
- from The Bahamas.
- What's an LAPD detective doing with
- the Mexico City Chief of Police
- on a flight from The Bahamas?
- Daryl Gates made a statement in 1992
- that the only position he would
- consider in a second Bush term
- would be Director of Central Intelligence.
- My question for Daryl is: what
- are your qualifications?
- Mike Rothmiller's book is good.
- He kind of stopped short
- of some other things,
- but he and I have spoken
- many, many times.
- So, yes, it's a good book.
- (Man) Yes: I wonder what your opinion is
- of the...
- (Man) -- I haven't heard you mention this,
- and I'm wondering why --
- (Man) the... kind of pulls the rug out
- (Man) of all the law enforcement agencies
- around the country,
- (Man) and has been advocated by the...
- (Man) many judges, and many doctors,
- and Jocelyn Elder,
- (Man) and... is... the answer is the
- legalization of drugs.
- (Man) And, when... a lot of people here
- might not understand:
- (Man) what I mean by this, is that I'm not
- advocating the use of drugs;
- (Man) but by the legalization of drugs,
- (Man) we're talking about many solutions
- for many problems,
- (Man) in that many people, billions of dollars
- (Man) that are spent chasing down criminals
- are freed up,
- (Man) and that many crimes committed
- by these so-called druggies
- (Man) aren't committed because
- it's legally gotten.
- (Man) I was just wondering what your opinion...
- (Man) I mean, it's just a simple solution
- for a whole lot of problems,
- (Man) and I'm hoping everyone here
- thinks on this for a while,
- (Man) because it is the awesome
- solution for
- (Man) a whole lot of awesome problems.
- (Michael) I have thought about this a lot,
- and I will say that as a cop,
- what really makes me feel good
- is when I hurt the bad guys.
- I'm sorry, that's the way
- I feel in my gut.
- The way we hurt the bootleggers
- was to legalize alcohol.
- I do not advocate, necessarily,
- legalizing drugs, but
- maybe in certain cases decriminalizing
- drugs might be an answer.
- However, we're dealing with
- a situation, historically,
- the British in the 1800s established their
- whole economy on a trilateral trade:
- growing opium in India, selling it
- to the Chinese, getting silk,
- taking it back to Britain,
- and making textiles.
- And that set up the cash flow of the
- British economy. That's the model.
- The different is, now, that we're
- poisoning ourselves.
- Which is really ugly, OK?
- But there was a report
- -- which I have not seen, but several
- Congressional staffers who I know...
- and Bob, if he's still here,
- probably knows it, too --
- prepared by the House Banking
- Committee chaired by Henry Gonzales,
- which said something like if all
- the drug money were withdrawn,
- the eight largest banks in the Western
- Hemisphere would collapse.
- That would create a depression
- the likes of which this country
- has never seen before.
- So we have to use some thought in,
- really, how we approach the problem.
- So, anyway...
- (Man) Yes: The problem is not the CIA;
- (Man) The problem is organized crime,
- the Democrat and Republican Party,
- (Man) and the real problem is that
- we do not have a policy
- (Man) of putting the cocaine cartel
- out of business
- (Man) and destroying the cocaine cartel.
- (Man) Instead, you're destroying
- the American people.
- (Man) My question is, why aren't you
- putting the blame
- (Man) on the Democrat and Republican
- Party and organized crime,
- (Man) and why aren't you pointing
- out that we have no policy
- (Man) to destroy the cocaine cartel?
- (Man) That's what you should be using
- the opportunity Saturday morning for.
- I just was pointing out about a guy
- with a phone book
- with Paulie Castellano and all that,
- so I think I was talking about
- organized crime. Yes?
- (Woman) Yes. Last night on Peter Ford's
- show, you mentioned
- (Woman) that you'd sent the material to
- Ross Perot, and he had called you twice,
- (Woman) but I don't know what he said.
- (Woman) Can you elaborate a little more
- on that conversation?
- Yeah. And, again, from the
- Los Angeles Times,
- This is what I do when I'm around the press.
- I've been published in the
- Los Angeles Times.
- I don't say anything unless I have it
- right in my hand to back it up.
- The Los Angeles Times ran this story
- in 1987, January, about Ross Perot
- backing Richard Armitage into a corner.
- If anybody knows Richard Armitage,
- he's 6'4" and benchpresses 430 pounds.
- And this short little floppy-eared Texan
- with a big nose
- got him in a hallway in the Pentagon
- and backed him into a corner.
- And the issue was CIA dealing drugs,
- Armitage's involvement,
- and the POWs connected in Laos
- who were left behind.
- (Man) Oh, yeah! (brief applause)
- Ross Perot was sent to go see
- Vice-President George Bush.
- And Bush said, "Go see the FBI," and
- threw him out of the White House.
- Ross Perot cost Bush the
- 1992 election, OK?
- Now, I wrote to Ross Perot in 1990,
- and I sent him all the stuff and my
- stories and everything,
- and one day the phone rings,
- and it goes,
- (Ross Perot Impression): "Mr. Ruppert?
- This is Ross Perot. How are yeh?"
- And I'm going, "Jesus!" You know?
- And I just came out of my chair that
- it was him. (laughter)
- And said, "I want you to know that I've
- read every word that you have sent me,"
- "And no one has pursued this longer
- or harder than you have."
- "You should give it up." (laughter)
- He said, "I must know 20 or 30
- former military officers"
- "and law enforcement officers who
- discovered the same thing,"
- "and they all had their careers ruined,
- their lives ruined."
- "They do the same thing to everybody"
- "You'd think they'd try
- something different."
- I do a pretty good Ross Perot
- after all this time.
- And he said, "But they don't
- because it works."
- And then Ross Perot said to me,
- "Mike, even with all of my resources,"
- "I don't know why I pursue it:
- I can't get anywhere."
- The answer is people in the street.
- The answer is people standing up
- together expressing their will, OK?
- Now, I'll tell you a little secret:
- I was the press spokesman for
- the Perot movement in '92
- here in Los Angeles County.
- Now, I've parted ways with Ross just
- because of the way he pulled out,
- and I'm not gonna go into that now.
- But what I saw in 1992, we had
- a little headquarters
- on Ventura Boulevard in Sherman Oaks.
- We had a list of 15,000 names of people
- who wanted to volunteer:
- people who had never voted before
- in their lives;
- people who had never held any hope
- that there was any way that their voice
- could be heard in this country.
- And what Ross Perot did was to tap
- into that wellspring of disconcent
- which is lying just beneath the surface
- in this country.
- And that's what we're trying to do with
- this rally and with this demonstration.
- It's there.
- We want to reach that critical mass,
- so that the people who know, or suspect,
- or just feel in their gut that something's
- wrong will come forward.
- (Man) Mr. Ruppert, I hope that
- I'm not going over
- (Man) something that you already
- covered; but I came in late tonight.
- (Man) Daryl Gates made a statement
- that he was part of the CIA.
- (Man) Did you cover that, or do
- you know? And if so, what was his job,
- (Man) or what was he doing?
- In 1962, I believe it was,
- Daryl Gates was Captain of LAPD's
- Intelligence Division,
- and there's a well-respected author
- named Bill Turner,
- who's a former FBI agent who's
- written a number of books.
- And he describes this incident where
- a guy named Dennis Mauer (sp)
- was out with a bunch of right-wing paramiltary guys
- in the desert way north of Lancaster.
- And they were throwing
- hand grenades around,
- and shooting machine guns,
- and having fun.
- And up rose Captain Daryl Gates
- of LAPD's Intelligence Division,
- way out of his jurisdiction, and says,
- "Knock it off!"
- And they said to Daryl Gates,
- "Well, it's OK."
- "CIA told us we could be here.
- They gave us the stuff.'
- And he said, "Screw you!"
- "I am CIA, and I'm telling you to stop!"
- Well, there was an undercover
- Long Beach policeman in that group
- who wrote a report which
- made it into the file.
- So that was the answer to that question,.
- (Man) Mr. Ruppert?
- Yes.
- (Man) I wonder if you could comment
- on reports that I have heard
- (Man) that a great deal of the money
- funding, and indeed creating,
- (Man) National Coalition
- to Ban Handguns,
- (Man) Handgun Control, Incorporated,
- and various other activist groups
- (Man) and individuals in the
- gun-grabbing, anti-Constitutional
- (Man) so-called gun control movement,
- actually has its souce
- (Man) in CIA-affiliated and CIA front
- organizations,
- (Man) as part of a calculated program
- to disarm the American people.
- I have not seen any direct
- evidence of that,
- but I fall back on the old line:
- "If it walks like a duck and it
- quacks like a duck,"
- "and there's duck feathers everywhere,
- then we've probably got a duck."
- One of the things I study a lot is
- something called the Hegelian Dialectic,
- which says you create a problem,
- and then you solve the problem,
- and in solving the problem,
- you get the end result
- that you were after to begin with.
- (Man) (inaudible)
- Nobody can dispute...
- (Man) (inaudible)
- Nobody can dispute the fact that
- we have seen utterly repressive laws,
- especially vis-a-vis asset forfeiture,
- being imposed up on us:
- laws which begin to scare me.
- And I have interviewed a guy
- whose father
- was a high-ranking official
- in the Abwehr,
- which was Adolph Hitler's intelligence
- service, who was... his grandfather.
- And he used to tell his grandson
- -- who is now a very good
- friend of mine --
- (German accent) "We didn't lose
- the Second World War;"
- "we just changed venues."
- OK? So it's beginning to sound
- like that here, yes. (applause)
- (Man) Yes, Mr. Ruppert: you mentioned
- earlier that our economy
- (Man) has become hooked on drugs.
- (Man) I wonder to what degree
- our major political parties
- (Man) have become hooked as well.
- (Man) How much drug money has flowed
- (Man) into campaign contributions,
- do you think?
- Again, I don't have any direct
- information on that;
- and I really only answer stuff
- that I know directly.
- But there is so much drug money...
- I mean, if you look at what
- happened in Mena,
- there are two retired
- Army CID investigators,
- of which Gene Wheaton is very public
- -- and I known Gene well --
- who estimate the amount of drug
- money flowing through Mena
- at $40 million a month,
- and through the Arkansas Development
- Financial Authority
- -- which is what made Bill Clinton
- a hero in the state of Arkansas.
- So, yeah: it's probably there.
- (Man) Mr. Ruppert, I want to congratulate
- you on your courage, sir.
- (Man) And I wanted to ask you if you had
- any assistance from Officer Rothmiller
- (Man) who wrote the book LA Secret
- Intelligence [sic] Police?
- I just said a few minutes ago:
- I know Mike.
- We have spoken many times
- over the years.
- (Man) Yes, sir.
- We share a lot of views; his book's
- a good book.
- He and I actually worked patrol in
- Wilshire Division at the same time.
- So, yeah.
- (Man) Hey, there. I don't know if want
- to rub elbows with Tom Hayden,
- (Man) but I'll take it on your world that
- it's a good thing, the march.
- (Man) I have one question:
- do you know what happened
- (Man) to former CIA director Colby?
- He supposedly died mysteriously?
- Well...
- (Man) (xx)
- My attorney called me up the
- day they found his body
- and wanted to make sure
- I had an alibi. (laughter)
- No, I don't know personally.
- I've just received
- an updated copy of
- The Franklin Cover-Up,
- which contains some very disturbing
- questions about Bill Colby's death.
- But I don't have any direct knowledge;
- but who knows?
- (Man) I have two questions.
- Your bravery is astounding,
- (Man) the past 20, 25 years
- of your investigation.
- (Man) Is your life still in danger today,
- (Man) and is there any contracts
- out on your life?
- (Man) And secondly, what is
- the whole purpose of the rally,
- (Man) and how are we going to bring
- all these people to justice in the end?
- OK. First of all, no, I wouldn't know
- if there was a contract out on me.
- I haven't been shot at for a long time.
- I'm fairly well-known now,
- and they tend not to kill people
- who are fairly well-known.
- The problem is you can
- get so well-known
- it doesn't make any difference, too: with
- Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy,
- et cetera, et cetera.
- But I'm nowhere near that big yet,
- so I think I'm safe for a while.
- As for what we're trying to do
- and how we're trying to do it,
- I am relieved of having to answer that
- question. Again, what I have come to
- from a spiritual and a constitutional
- and an American standpoint,
- is that my job is to do the right thing,
- and to leave the results to a
- power greater than myself.
- (applause)
- The only sin that I'm aware of
- is not standing up.
- That's the sin that I'm aware of.
- Yes, sir.
- (Man) I think it rather paradoxical
- that there's enough evidence
- (Man) against Mr. Clinton and
- his administration
- (Man) to put most of them in prison.
- My question is,
- (Man) how intrusive... has drugs become
- part of the operation in Washington, DC
- (Man) amongst the Congressmen,
- the Senators?
- (Man) And why is it we don't have
- one person
- (Man) who will stand up and initiate
- impeachment proceedings
- (Man) on this scum that we
- have in the office?
- (Maen) Now, does drugs have
- an affect here?
- (Man) And why is it we're not
- getting anything done?
- (Man) All investigation and
- no prosecution?
- Drugs have an effect everywhere.
- In the Cutolo Watchtower affidavits,
- there's a story of one Congressman
- named Larkin Smith
- who tried to stand up; who was looking
- into the Tyree murder case.
- He was flying on an investigation when
- his plane crashed and he was killed.
- Hale Boggs...
- They kill Congressmen; they can kill
- Presidents.
- Maxine Waters walks a fine line.
- She is a Democrat, a member of the
- minority party.
- She doesn't chair any committees.
- She is Chairwoman of the
- Black Caucus, yes,
- but she alone as a member of Congress
- doesn't have the power to stand up.
- I'm gonna make it very clear
- in my speech Saturday
- that where the people lead,
- Congress will follow.
- We have got the cart before the horse.
- We can't expect anybody to do for us
- what we will not demand that
- they do by ourselves, OK?
- We have to stand up together.
- Congress ain't gonna listen until we do.
- Yes, ma'am.
- (Woman) Yes, thank you very much,
- Mr. Ruppert.
- (Woman) It is very clear to me that you're
- a very holy man, and you are totally
- (Woman) surrounded and protected
- by the love of God wherever you go.
- (Woman) And I particularly like the
- way you said,
- (Woman) "Do you ever get a feeling that
- God is following you with this stuff?"
- (Woman) I love it. Thank you very much.
- I do have a question:
- (Woman) It's very clear to me that it's
- AAA: All About Addiction.
- (Woman) There's no easier way
- -- is there? -- to control people
- (Woman) than to get them addicted.
- Now, whether it's called legal drugs,
- (Woman) or illegal drugs, a drug
- is a drug is a drug.
- (Woman) I would like to know if you
- know how far and to what involvement
- (Woman) the American Medical
- Association is involved in this.
- (Woman) Thank you.
- I sometimes feel like I would have to be
- God to answer some of these questions.
- (laughter)
- Let me put it this way: we have all heard
- stories about a dysfunctional family,
- where a father is molesting
- a young daughter.
- And there are other children in the
- family, and there's a wife.
- And we look at these tragedies,
- and we see how the wife ignores
- what's going on,
- and the other children ignore
- what's going on:
- for the sake of maintaining
- the family image;
- for the sake of looking good;
- out of the fear that if they expose
- what's going on,
- the father will turn his rage
- against them.
- And that's a dysfunctional family.
- This country is in that state of denial.
- Every aspect of this country is
- affected by this crisis.
- Let me define it to you this way
- -- and I'll be real brief with this --
- Could the President of the United States,
- the Executive Branch,
- -- which, theoretically, is empowered
- over the CIA --
- have permitted the Agency to deal drugs
- to American citizens?
- Or, could it have happened
- without him knowing about it?
- Either way, you have just defined the
- greatest crisis -- Constitutional crisis --
- in American history
- since the Civil War;
- and solving it is going to take
- that kind of upheaval.
- Leadership in this will have to show
- that we can do this non-violently,
- in a healthy way, in the American spirit.
- Not in the German spirit, not in the
- Russian spirit, not in the Chinese spirit;
- but in the American spirit.
- (Woman) Yes, I appreciate that remark.
- (Woman) I would like to have us all
- remember that what, I believe,
- (Woman) you have described this
- evening is not a man-made battle,
- (Woman) but we are wrestling against
- principalities and powers in high places,
- (Woman) and basically that
- is a spiritual problem.
- (Woman) And we're not going to go out
- here as a group of people
- (Woman) and conquer this in our own
- strength.
- (Woman) It'll be like David putting
- on Saul's armor:
- (Woman) It doesn't fit.
- It only weighs us down.
- (Woman) But I believe it's in
- 1 Chronicles where it tells us,
- (Woman) "If my people, who are called
- by my name, will humble themselves"
- (Woman) "and pray, and turn
- from their wicked ways,"
- (Woman) "then will we hear from
- Heaven, and I will heal their land"
- (Woman) And that's what we've
- got to come back to.
- (Woman) We're kidding ourselves
- here, sitting here thinking...
- (Woman) -- I appreciate the rally,
- and I support it wholeheartedly --
- (Woman) but as a group,
- we're kidding ourselves
- (Woman) if we think we're going to go
- out and do this in our own strength.
- (Woman) Only history will be repeated
- again and again,
- (Woman) But it's as we turn to
- the Lord Jesus Christ
- (Woman) and let Him operate
- through our lives,
- (Woman) and then put our hand
- to the plow, we will conquer.
- And my fervent hope and response to that:
- "Where two or more are gathered in His
- name, He is also there." (applause)
- What if 10 or 15 thousand are gathered,
- and many of those gather
- in His name, too? (applause) Yes.
- (Man) I very much appreciate
- that comment. I did want to...
- (Man) You mentioned earlier about (xx),
- which we've all been most familiar with.
- (Man) As far as my understanding goes,
- ten investigations have begun,
- (Man) and I guess the tenth one
- is in some way going on now.
- (Man) But what has caused these
- all to end, and the information
- (Man) -- the myriad of tons of information
- that have been gathered --
- (Man) to not result in any
- meaningful action?
- The way this country works is that unless
- it shows up in The Washington Post,
- The New York Times, The Los Angeles
- Times, Time, or Newsweek,
- officially, it doesn't exist.
- And there can be investigations
- until the cows come home.
- And the information is out there.
- We have it.
- I have, it, everybody else has it.
- Dozens of other witnesses have it.
- Gene Wheaton has it;
- Terry Reed has it. (sp)
- I've spoken to Terry several times,
- OK? The point is that
- we have to make something happen
- in the collective consciousness
- to get it out to the point where
- somebody admits it openly.
- (Man) Mike, just one moment on that.
- You know that we know two boys,
- (Man) we know two young teenage,
- nnocent boys were killed,
- (Man) and we know a number of other
- people relating to that same...
- (Man) those deaths, were also killed.
- (Man) And we do know that enough
- information is extant to make a case.
- (Man) It seems to me that a rifle shot
- has to be fired
- (Man) in order to break through this wall.
- (Man) instead of these little hammers
- banging away,
- (Man) some focal point has
- to be singled out.
- (Man) And just hammer it through
- till it breaks the dam, because...
- You raise a beautiful point.
- Mike wants to say something in a second,
- but let me talk to that point
- for a second.
- I have met... all over the years, I have
- met people who are angry with the IRS,
- and I have met people who
- are angry over many,
- many different righteous,
- justified causes,
- but they have been a Tower of Babel
- As I view this from a political
- standpoint alone,
- I see the single issue of CIA and drugs
- as being the one single issue
- which can crack the armor.
- And when will the armor crack? The
- armor will crack when a farmer in Iowa,
- and somebody in Saint Louis,
- and Wisconsin, and Colorado
- who's Middle America wakes up
- and catches on to this:
- that's when the armor will crack.
- And as far as I'm concerned
- -- and I have many opinions about
- many other issues --
- publicly, I speak only about
- CIA and drugs;
- because that's the one where I
- think we've got a chance to win.
- Mike wants to say something.
- (Mike) Yeah, I wanted to briefly
- say exactly that:
- (Mike) The people talking about the
- Republican and the Democratic parties,
- (Mike) and one of the things they always
- talk about is wedge issues,
- (Mike) and they always want to try
- to drive a wedge.
- (Mike) They want to drive a wedge
- between Blacks and Whites;
- (Mike) They want to drive a wedge
- between Latinos and Whites,
- (Mike) Between Blacks and Latinos:
- They're constantly looking for issues
- (Mike) on the theory of divide
- and conquer.
- (Mike) And when they mean conquer,
- that's what they want to do.
- (Mike) They're not just talking
- in figurative terms.
- (Mike) And we're looking
- for some cement.
- (Mike) We're looing for things that are
- going to wedge us together, in a way.
- (Mike) And we're looking at this,
- as we say, "Crack the CIA,"
- (Mike) we want to find something that
- is going to affect the conscience
- (Mike) and the consciousness of many,
- many people to see our commonality
- (Mike) and our common struggle.
- (Mike) And I want to respond to what...
- (Man) Why don't you want to destroy
- the cocaine cartels?
- (Mike) We want to destroy not only
- the cocaine cartels,
- (Mike) But we're saying this is much
- bigger than the problem of cocaine.
- (Mike) This is a systematic...
- in other words:
- (Mike) before there was cocaine,
- there was heroin.
- (Mike) Before there was heroin,
- there was opium.
- (Mike) Before there was opium,
- they were selling liquor to the Indians.
- (Mike) Before... they traded slaves for
- tobacco and addicted people.
- (Mike) This is going back half
- a millennium and longer.
- (Mike) I just want to say that one
- of the things about this coalition
- (Mike) that I think will distinguish it
- is that we are not actually trying
- (Mike) to get the government to do
- anything about this,
- (Mike) because we understand
- that they are problem.
- (Mike) We are trying to affect ourselves.
- (Mike) We're hooked into the
- recovery movement.
- (Mike) It's not only one person who says
- "I'm an addict," alcohlic, whatever,
- (Mike) But there are many people
- in the Black community:
- (Mike) groups called "Mad Dads":
- many, many people who are saying
- (Mike) we have to take the responsibility
- to transform ourselves,
- (Mike) and by doing that we will transform
- this government and society.
- (Mike) We're not expecting them
- to solve this problem for us.
- (Man) Michael, I'd like to thank you,
- first, for coming this evening.
- (Man) Standing up, saying what
- you've said. I respect you.
- (Man) I appreciate your being here
- this evening and what you've said.
- Thank you.
- (Man) I have a brief observation myself,
- and I'd like to get your reponse to it.
- (Man) And the observation is that
- Thomas Jefferson said
- (Man) that we need a revolution
- every 20 years.
- (Man) The last time the people
- of this country stood up
- (Man) and told the government,
- "Enough is enough"
- (Man) was 25 years ago when we
- told 'em we'd had enough of Vietnam.
- (Man) And I think it's time for the people
- in this country to stand up and say:
- (Man) "Enough is enough,
- and we've had it."
- (Man) And if that's a revolution,
- and we can do it peaceably,
- (Man) In the streets like we did
- 25 years ago, but peaceably,
- (Man) Then I'm 100% behind it, and I
- think it's an idea whose time has come,
- (Man) and there's nothing that's going
- to stop it.
- (Man) And I'm very glad that you're doing
- that you're doing, because we need it.
- (applause)
- Thank you.
- (Man) Your response, anybody else's
- response.
- All I can say to that is "ditto."
- (Man) Yeah: I just want to make a
- comment that I think that rally
- (Man) will be real important to this
- neighborhood in showing,
- (Man) in bringing it out to light to
- the average public
- (Man) how you aren't just hurting
- yourself when you use drugs,
- (Man) but you're hurting your country.
- (Man) And it's OK if people want to
- hurt themselves, but when you realize
- (Man) and when people who are out
- there using realize
- (Man) that it's actually hurting their
- country, and their country's behind it,
- (Man) and you're sponsoring something
- (Man) that's gonna break your
- livelihood apart, and other people's,
- (Man) I think it's gonna bring a lot
- of light to the neighborhood, so thanks.
- I think you're right.
- (Man) ...last question...
- (Man) Yes. Unless you demand that the
- government destroy the cocaine cartel
- (Man) and organized crime who have done
- (Man) all this damage to the
- American people,
- (Man) you're not gonna get the
- American people behind you.
- (Man) You're not gonna get
- American justice.
- (Man) My question is, why aren't you...
- why don't you have a plan
- (Man) to destroy the cocaine cartels,
- (Man) and why don't you want
- to make the government do that?
- (different man) This is the plan!
- (Man) No, I want him to answer
- this question.
- We have to fix the government first.
- We can't get a government that
- doesn't respond to us
- to do anything in our interest until
- we fix the government.
- (Man) If you're gonna be there
- tomorrow morning,
- (Man) why don't you make that
- demand in front of the press,
- (Man) and for the press to print,
- saying,
- (Man) "Why isn't the government
- destroying the cocaine cartels?"
- (Another Man) Because they
- are the cartel!
- (Host) It's nice to have a spirited group,
- and on behalf of the forum,
- (Host) we want to thank Mike Ruppert
- or an interesting talk.
- (Host) Please bear with us. Looking
- forward to having you come back.
- (Host) I do hope you do. Thank you
- very much, appreciate it.
- (Host begins unrelated announcement)
- [MUSIC]
- [Subtitled by "Adjuvant" | CC-BY 4.0]
- Rest in peace, Mike.
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