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  1. (MUSIC)
  2.  
  3. (Host) Good evening. Welcome to the
  4. Grenada Forum,
  5.  
  6. an organization dedicated to the truth.
  7.  
  8. At the end of the program,
  9. our speaker's presentation,
  10.  
  11. there'll be a question-and-answer
  12. program without restriction.
  13.  
  14. Feel free to ask any question.
  15.  
  16. That's the true meaning of
  17. freedom of speech.
  18.  
  19. Even the press is invited to ask
  20. questions, if any of them are here.
  21.  
  22. As children, we are taught of
  23. a word called character.
  24.  
  25. As adults, we seldom run into
  26. those with it. (laughter)
  27.  
  28. Leastwise in the media or
  29. nside the Beltway.
  30.  
  31. It takes character to stand alone
  32.  
  33. and, like David, challence Goliath.
  34.  
  35. Like Terry Reed of Compromised,
  36.  
  37. Like Gary Aldrich of Unlimited Access,
  38.  
  39. like Chris Ruddy of Death of Vince Foster,
  40.  
  41. like Ambrose Pritchard of
  42. The London Daily Telegraph.
  43.  
  44. We have men of character in our own midst.
  45.  
  46. They seldom are forced into the limelight
  47.  
  48. until the conduct of others that betray
  49. their public trust force the issue.
  50.  
  51. The fabric of our society has been torn
  52.  
  53. by some that have an agenda
  54. and have suppressed it.
  55.  
  56. On November 15th of 1996,
  57. just three months ago,
  58.  
  59. a dedicated true patriot stood his ground
  60.  
  61. and did what we call... what we can appreciate.
  62.  
  63. Picture in your mind's eye
  64. CIA Director John Deutch
  65.  
  66. on a propaganda mission to Los Angeles
  67.  
  68. to calm the waters as a result of article
  69.  
  70. that appeared in the
  71. San Jose Mercury News.
  72.  
  73. He was hosted by Congresswoman
  74. Juanita McDonalds.
  75.  
  76. Without blinking an eye,
  77.  
  78. our speaker said,
  79.  
  80. "I am a former Los Angeles
  81. Police Narcotics Detective,"
  82.  
  83. "And I can tell you that the Agency"
  84.  
  85. "has been dealing in drugs in
  86. this country for a long time."
  87.  
  88. It is my distinct pleasure and honor
  89.  
  90. to greet in the behalf
  91. of the Granada Forum
  92.  
  93. and introduce a man who deserves
  94. our respect and attention.
  95.  
  96. Please welcome Mr. Michael Ruppert.(applause)
  97.  
  98. (Michael) Thank you.
  99. Thank you very much.
  100.  
  101. I guess the first thank you
  102. I'd like to give tonight
  103.  
  104. is to someone who's not here:
  105.  
  106. Mr. Peter Ford of KIAV Radio,
  107.  
  108. who introduced me to you all,
  109.  
  110. and who made it possible for me
  111. to be here tonight.
  112.  
  113. I did a show last night
  114.  
  115. from midnight to 2:00,
  116.  
  117. and it was a wonderful experience.
  118.  
  119. And if what we do tonight is
  120. anything like that,
  121.  
  122. I think we're all gonna have a lot of fun.
  123.  
  124. I would also like to thank Anne,
  125.  
  126. who was very kind to make
  127. arrangements for me tonight.
  128.  
  129. In 19 years, this is the first chance,
  130. believe it or not, that I have had
  131.  
  132. to address an assembled group of
  133. people on one issue
  134.  
  135. and to teach what I know,
  136.  
  137. to share my experiences.
  138.  
  139. I've done it in snippets;
  140.  
  141. I've done it on radio talk shows;
  142.  
  143. but never with the opportunity to lay
  144. out some evidence and make a case.
  145.  
  146. And I'm very grateful for that:
  147.  
  148. it was a long wait.
  149.  
  150. And I am here tonight in two capacities.
  151.  
  152. If there's any lawyers in the room,
  153. I'll pray for you but... (laughter)
  154.  
  155. You know that in a court of law,
  156. they talk about evidence.
  157.  
  158. And one of the first kinds,
  159.  
  160. and actually the most preferred
  161. kind of direct evidence
  162.  
  163. is witness testimony.
  164.  
  165. And all over the major media
  166. and in Congress,
  167.  
  168. you hear statements that there is
  169. no evidence that CIA deals drugs.
  170.  
  171. Well, a wittnss can raise his hand
  172. under oath in court,
  173.  
  174. and that becomes evidence when
  175. he tells his story.
  176.  
  177. And I have evidence to give you
  178. from my own experience.
  179.  
  180. I am also here as a detective,
  181. if you will,
  182.  
  183. although I have not carried a bad for...
  184.  
  185. since November 30th, 1978,
  186.  
  187. I consider myself to have been a detective
  188.  
  189. working on one case for all these years.
  190.  
  191. And so I'm going to present to you
  192.  
  193. some of that evidence tonight.
  194.  
  195. I want to start by giving you just
  196. a little historical background;
  197.  
  198. and you'll see all these books
  199. on the table here.
  200.  
  201. And I don't know if they're
  202. in frame or not;
  203.  
  204. they're probably not.
  205.  
  206. But you'll see The Big White Lie
  207. by Michael Levine
  208.  
  209. who is a former DEA Station Chief
  210. -- or country attaché, they call it --
  211.  
  212. from Argentina.
  213.  
  214. He was present in Argentina
  215. in 1980
  216.  
  217. when the Central Intelligence Agency
  218. installed [in Bolivia] the government
  219.  
  220. of Luis García Meza,
  221.  
  222. who was a cocaine lord,
  223.  
  224. and gave him the whole country.
  225.  
  226. And that was done in conjunction
  227. with the Argentine military.
  228.  
  229. García Meza's Chief of Security
  230. was Klaus Barbie,
  231.  
  232. the Butcher of Lyons.
  233.  
  234. So there was heavy Nazi infiltration
  235.  
  236. into the Argentinean military.
  237.  
  238. Mike Levine was there.
  239. He documented it; he protested it;
  240.  
  241. and of course it fell into this black hole
  242.  
  243. that those of us in law enforcement
  244. know so well.
  245.  
  246. The next book that you see there
  247.  
  248. is written by the only man
  249. that I'm aware of
  250.  
  251. who's been at this longer
  252. than I have.
  253.  
  254. And I'm gonna hold this one up.
  255.  
  256. It's called The Politics of Heroin.
  257.  
  258. It was originally called The Politics
  259. of Heroin in Southeast Asia,
  260.  
  261. by Professor Alfred McCoy.
  262.  
  263. Published first in 1972.
  264.  
  265. That's 25 years ago, OK?
  266.  
  267. It is a Bible for those of us who do this.
  268.  
  269. When we talk about names, dates, places:
  270.  
  271. the names, the dates, and the places
  272. are in here.
  273.  
  274. Now, again, if there's any lawyers
  275. in here,
  276.  
  277. lawyers love to sue people, OK?
  278.  
  279. Why is it that this book has
  280. never been sued?
  281.  
  282. There's a saying in the law:
  283.  
  284. "The truth is an absolute defense
  285. against libel."
  286.  
  287. OK?
  288.  
  289. This is one of our major Bibles.
  290. It's in here.
  291.  
  292. It was recently revised and updated
  293.  
  294. to include all kinds of information
  295. on Iran-Contra, OK?
  296.  
  297. The next book that I want to show you...
  298.  
  299. actually, there are two, both written
  300. by the same authors.
  301.  
  302. And these two men, I know both of them.
  303.  
  304. They're both brilliant men.
  305.  
  306. Professor Peter Dale Scott is a Professor
  307. of English, believe it or not,
  308.  
  309. at UC-Berkeley.
  310.  
  311. He got into this many years ago,
  312.  
  313. and he had a Ph.D,
  314.  
  315. and he is a dedicated researcher.
  316.  
  317. His co-writer, Jonathan Marshall, is a...
  318.  
  319. About as rare as a good lawyer,
  320. he's a good reporter.
  321.  
  322. He works for the San Francisco Chronicle.
  323.  
  324. He's an award-winning journalist.
  325.  
  326. Neither one of these two books,
  327.  
  328. which name names, dates, places, times,
  329. quantities, relationships, documents
  330.  
  331. have ever been sued. Ever. OK?
  332.  
  333. So when Jack Blum,
  334.  
  335. who was Chief Counsel for this Kerry
  336. Committee during the Iran-Contra era,
  337.  
  338. recently testified to your friend
  339. and mine Arlen Spector,
  340.  
  341. he said, "We don't need to go out
  342. and investigate: we know."
  343.  
  344. What he was alluding to,
  345.  
  346. is what is contained specifically
  347. in this book,
  348.  
  349. which is all about Iran-Contra.
  350.  
  351. Names, dates, places, computer logs:
  352. everything, it's all in here, OK?
  353.  
  354. We already know. We don't have
  355. to investigate.
  356.  
  357. We know the CIA deals drugs.
  358.  
  359. And of course the Los Angeles Times
  360. completely omitted
  361.  
  362. any reference to Jack Blum's testimony
  363. in their stories.
  364.  
  365. These two books will give you
  366. anything you need to refute...
  367.  
  368. you could take Oliver North apart
  369.  
  370. with about ten pages from this book alone,
  371.  
  372. and bury him. OK?
  373.  
  374. The last book that I wanted to show you,
  375.  
  376. it's almost impossible to get
  377. in this country.
  378.  
  379. I wonder why?
  380.  
  381. You can get it in Canada.
  382.  
  383. Written by my dear friend
  384. Celerino Castillo.
  385.  
  386. Cele was a DEA agent.
  387.  
  388. He's a decorated Vietnam vet
  389. who served first in Peru,
  390.  
  391. and then in the Iran-Contra era
  392. he served in Central America.
  393.  
  394. He served in Honduras and Salvador
  395. and Guatemala;
  396.  
  397. and he was at Ilopango Airport,
  398.  
  399. which was the major Contra supply
  400. airport in El Salvador
  401.  
  402. for the northern front of the
  403. Contra war effort.
  404.  
  405. And he describes in this, at the airport,
  406. two hangars:
  407.  
  408. Hangar Four and Hangar Five.
  409.  
  410. Now, he's got the records.
  411.  
  412. Hangar Four was the CIA hangar;
  413.  
  414. Hangar Five was the NSC hangar:
  415.  
  416. Both controlled by Oliver North.
  417.  
  418. He recorded tail numbers;
  419.  
  420. he watched the cocaine being loaded;
  421.  
  422. he talked to the pilots;
  423.  
  424. he got the flight plans;
  425.  
  426. he watched as the planes
  427. were given gratis entry
  428.  
  429. across the border in the United States.
  430.  
  431. He wrote reports.
  432.  
  433. And what happened was
  434. Ambassador Edwin Corr
  435.  
  436. -- who is now teaching at the
  437. University of Oklahoma at Norman --
  438.  
  439. came to Cele and said, "Leave it alone,
  440. bud. It's a White House operation."
  441.  
  442. That's evidence. That's a clue.
  443. (laughter)
  444.  
  445. Cele had this wonderful experience
  446.  
  447. of going to a formal dinner at
  448. the US Embassy in El Salvador.
  449.  
  450. And the guest of honor that night
  451.  
  452. was Vice-President George
  453. Herbert Walker Bush.
  454.  
  455. (audience: "Ooh!")
  456.  
  457. So Cele was there, and Bush was there,
  458.  
  459. and they bring Bush over to Cele,
  460.  
  461. and, "Mr. Vice-President, this is Celerino
  462. Castillo, our senior DEA agent."
  463.  
  464. and: "How do you do?" -- Mr. Bush --
  465. "You're a hero to the country."
  466.  
  467. Cele said, "Mr. Vice-President:
  468. I've gotta talk to you!"
  469.  
  470. "There's something really
  471. wrong going on here!"
  472.  
  473. "They're flying drugs out of four and five,
  474. and CIA's behind it!"
  475.  
  476. And George Bush said,
  477. "Nice to meet ya,"
  478.  
  479. And walked away, you know.
  480.  
  481. Don't let anybody tell you
  482. there is no evidence.
  483.  
  484. There is a mountain of evidence
  485. already in existence, OK?
  486.  
  487. It is irrefutable; it is iron-clad.
  488. All right?
  489.  
  490. Now, given that, I want to paint
  491. a little picture for you.
  492.  
  493. I want to go back historically,
  494.  
  495. because my own experience is going
  496. to add a little dimension to this for you.
  497.  
  498. Picture that I have a blackboard behind me
  499.  
  500. -- which I don't, OK? --
  501.  
  502. But say there's a blackboard
  503.  
  504. and we're gonna say that right here
  505. is Southeast Asia,
  506.  
  507. and right here is the United States,
  508.  
  509. and right here is South America,
  510.  
  511. and over here is the Middle East, OK?
  512.  
  513. Somebody was talking earlier about
  514. organized crime and CIA.
  515.  
  516. And of course, my opinion is CIA is
  517. organized crime. (laughter)
  518.  
  519. In the Second World War,
  520.  
  521. some deals were made between
  522. the Office of Strategic Services
  523.  
  524. and the Mafia in New Orleans.
  525.  
  526. We were afraid of Nazi sabotage,
  527.  
  528. so we took a guy named Lucky Luciano
  529. out of prison in New York.
  530.  
  531. And he guaranteed that there would be
  532. no sabotage on the docks in New York.
  533.  
  534. We took a guy named Vito Genovese
  535.  
  536. -- I like that: (exaggerated, languorous
  537. Italian accent) Vito Genovese
  538.  
  539. And we let him to back to Sicily
  540.  
  541. so spy on it so we could go and invade
  542. Sicily when Patton went in there.
  543.  
  544. Of course, they went right back
  545. into the drug business.
  546.  
  547. They went right back into
  548. their operations.
  549.  
  550. The bond is very, very close.
  551.  
  552. Stop there: fast-forward to 1954.
  553.  
  554. 1954: Diên Biên Phu.
  555.  
  556. The French were kicked out
  557. of Indochina.
  558.  
  559. Now, almost everybody knows that
  560. the Golden Triangle in Indochina
  561.  
  562. is where most of the world's heroin
  563. has come from for a long time.
  564.  
  565. It is the largest opium-growing
  566. region in the world.
  567.  
  568. There are several others.
  569.  
  570. The French, in order to sustain their war,
  571.  
  572. had been paying the local tribesmen,
  573. the Hmong tribesmen,
  574.  
  575. and Kuomintang
  576.  
  577. -- the Chinese who were
  578. kicked out of China --
  579.  
  580. with opium: which was a long holdover
  581.  
  582. from the British opium trade
  583. from the 18th Century.
  584.  
  585. When the French went out,
  586. we filled that void,
  587.  
  588. and we went some people to Indochina.
  589.  
  590. Their names were Aderholt, Singlaub...
  591.  
  592. -- does that ring a bell to anybody? --
  593.  
  594. there was also a guy by the name
  595. of Paul Helliwell,
  596.  
  597. and there was a guy by the name
  598. of Richard Stillwell,
  599.  
  600. and these are the people that we
  601. sent into Southeast Asia, CIA,
  602.  
  603. to take over where the French left.
  604.  
  605. Extremely well-documented.
  606.  
  607. And one of the first things
  608. John Singlaub did,
  609.  
  610. and one of the first things
  611. Paul Helliwell did,
  612.  
  613. was to take over the payment
  614.  
  615. of Kuomintang and other
  616. rebels with heroin.
  617.  
  618. It was just the way you did business.
  619.  
  620. As we moved closer to the Vietnam era,
  621.  
  622. that trade began to expand
  623.  
  624. because of the relationship
  625. between CIA and the Mafia.
  626.  
  627. As we get to the Vietnam War...
  628.  
  629. now, again, picture I'm drawing on the
  630. board up here some other names.
  631.  
  632. If we fast-forward to the Vietnam era,
  633.  
  634. I'm gonna write some other
  635. names in Southeast Asia:
  636.  
  637. Theodore Shackley: Station Chief
  638. in Laos; later, Station Chief in Saigon.
  639.  
  640. Richard Secord: anybody ever
  641. hear that name? (laughter) Nah.
  642.  
  643. Richard Armitage: anybody
  644. ever hear that name?
  645.  
  646. Eric von Marbod: anybody
  647. ever hear that name?
  648.  
  649. OK. von Marbod was in the military at
  650. the time, Department of Defense.
  651.  
  652. They all worked extremely
  653. closely together.
  654.  
  655. Tom Clines is another one who was
  656. Ted Shackley's deputy in Laos.
  657.  
  658. Extremely well-documented.
  659.  
  660. There are still living witnesses.
  661.  
  662. There are Air America pilots still alive
  663.  
  664. who later became involved in Iran-Contra,
  665.  
  666. that we ran the whole war in Laos...
  667.  
  668. -- which was completely without, outside
  669. of Congressional oversight --
  670.  
  671. with heroin.
  672.  
  673. We've all heard the stories about heroin
  674.  
  675. coming back in body cavities
  676. in the dead GIs.
  677.  
  678. Air America: Air Heroin, OK?
  679. The black planes.
  680.  
  681. In the last 19 years, I have spoken
  682. to more than a dozen members
  683.  
  684. -- former members --
  685.  
  686. of the US Army Special Forces,
  687. the Green Berets,
  688.  
  689. who were sometimes ordered
  690. to carry the heroin by CIA.
  691.  
  692. We ran this whole war there
  693. on heroin money.
  694.  
  695. That heroin money did not
  696. just pay for the war:
  697.  
  698. it paid for a lot of other things.
  699.  
  700. Now, what happened is...
  701.  
  702. -- and the picture I want
  703. to paint to you is --
  704.  
  705. I don't know if anyone here is familiar
  706. with the disease of alcoholism? OK?
  707.  
  708. I happen to be an alcoholic.
  709.  
  710. I'm sober 14 years, OK?
  711. So I know a little bit about it. (applause)
  712.  
  713. And what happens is that it's
  714. a progressive disease.
  715.  
  716. One is too many, and ten thousand
  717. is not enough.
  718.  
  719. Once you take a little,
  720. you have to take more,
  721.  
  722. and there's no way to stop
  723. until you crash and burn,
  724.  
  725. until you eventually burn yourself out.
  726.  
  727. What happened in Vietnam
  728. was that by 1970,
  729.  
  730. the heroin trade had spilled over,
  731.  
  732. and we were selling it to our own GIs.
  733.  
  734. One third of the GIs in Vietnam were
  735. addicted to heroin when they came back.
  736.  
  737. OK? They were smoking it or tootin' it.
  738.  
  739. They'd get what's called
  740. a stomach jones, OK?
  741.  
  742. So, that war continued, I think,
  743.  
  744. until the military-industrial complex
  745. kind of milked it for all it was worth,
  746.  
  747. and until White Middle America
  748. took to the streets.
  749.  
  750. OK?
  751.  
  752. 1975, it ended.
  753.  
  754. Now I'm gonna tell you about my story,
  755.  
  756. because this is where I come
  757. into the picture.
  758.  
  759. I come from a CIA family.
  760.  
  761. I was born in Washington, DC.
  762.  
  763. My father was an Air Force officer;
  764. he worked for Martin-Marietta
  765.  
  766. building the Titan IIICs which
  767. put up the Keyhole Spy Satellites.
  768.  
  769. My father's cousin Barbara was CIA;
  770.  
  771. her husband Sam had been OSS,
  772. even before CIA.
  773.  
  774. They both did 25, 30 years and
  775. retired from the Agency.
  776.  
  777. My mother had been Army Intelligence
  778.  
  779. working in the code-breaking section
  780. in the Pentagon
  781.  
  782. during the Second World War.
  783.  
  784. So I come from a family of spooks,
  785.  
  786. and I will tell you: it was a
  787. dysfunctional family. (laughter)
  788.  
  789. I was an honors student; I am an honors
  790. graduate in Political Science from UCLA.
  791.  
  792. I went there from '69 to '73,
  793.  
  794. and I was one of two living Republicans
  795.  
  796. on the UCLA campus during
  797. those years. (laughter)
  798.  
  799. The other one was a guy by
  800. the name of Craig Fuller.
  801.  
  802. Now, I was chosen to intern
  803. for Chief Ed David as LAPD,
  804.  
  805. having been groomed and
  806. having already been spotted
  807.  
  808. as part of -- what? -- the Establishment?
  809. The in-crowd? An up-and-comer.
  810.  
  811. Craig was chosen to intern
  812. for Governor Ronald Reagan.
  813.  
  814. Craig was George Bush's Chief of Staff
  815. during Iran-Contra.
  816.  
  817. As I was chosen to intern for Chief Davis,
  818. I began...
  819.  
  820. I was exposed to people
  821. from Army Intelligence
  822.  
  823. and an operation known as Garden Plot.
  824.  
  825. I was told that I had a Q Clearance
  826. when I was 20 years old,
  827.  
  828. and I had to go home and ask my father
  829. what the hell a Q Clearance was:
  830.  
  831. I didn't know!
  832.  
  833. In the Organized Crime
  834. Intelligence Division,
  835.  
  836. I got exposed to one guy in particular
  837.  
  838. by the name of John Xavier Bach,
  839.  
  840. and I was told that he had... or, he
  841. was a CIA-connected guy in LAPD.
  842.  
  843. Well, it gets to where I'm just about ready
  844. to graduate from UCLA in 1973.
  845.  
  846. I'm magna cum laude,
  847. and the world is my oyster.
  848.  
  849. I had interned for LAPD for three years.
  850.  
  851. My family buys me a plane ticket;
  852.  
  853. I go back to Washington, DC,
  854.  
  855. and I go for an interview with the CIA
  856.  
  857. in the old Executive Office Building.
  858.  
  859. And here's this guy behind this desk
  860.  
  861. with this huge CIA emblem
  862. on the wall behind him.
  863.  
  864. And he says, "Mike, I've looked
  865. at all your stuff."
  866.  
  867. "You're just a wonderful kid."
  868.  
  869. "You've got a great background; you're in
  870. great shape..." you know, da-da-da.
  871.  
  872. "What we'd like you to do is
  873. to graduate from UCLA,"
  874.  
  875. join the CIA as a Case Officer...
  876.  
  877. -- and a case officer is the highest
  878. rank within the Agency;
  879.  
  880. that's the highest level;
  881.  
  882. there are levels above that, but
  883. that's the crème de la crème --
  884.  
  885. "And we want you to, then, after you're
  886. a CIA Case Officer, go back,"
  887.  
  888. "and go through the Los Angeles Police
  889. Department Academy,"
  890.  
  891. "and LAPD will be your cover."
  892.  
  893. I sat through the interview,
  894.  
  895. and I got a stack of papers about
  896. that thick for my clearances,
  897.  
  898. and I said, "Thank you very much,"
  899.  
  900. and I came back to LA,
  901. and I threw 'em away.
  902.  
  903. And I said, "That's illegal. I don't want
  904. anything to do with that."
  905.  
  906. I joined LAPD in 1973, was Valedictorian
  907. of my Academy class.
  908.  
  909. Went to work in an area
  910. called The Jungle,
  911.  
  912. which is down near Crenshaw
  913. and Martin Luther King.
  914.  
  915. Was having a great time:
  916.  
  917. I was a good cop; I loved it.
  918. I'd never had so much fun in my life.
  919.  
  920. I mean, it was what I wanted to do,
  921. and I thrived on it.
  922.  
  923. I specialized in narcotics...
  924.  
  925. -- and then I met and fell in love
  926. with a CIA agent.
  927.  
  928. She came to my regular old cop bar,
  929. and we met and fell in love.
  930.  
  931. This is what we call the "unofficial
  932. recruitment." (laughter)
  933.  
  934. It was more fun than the one in the office,
  935. I'll tell you that! (laughter)
  936.  
  937. And she knew people in LAPD's
  938. intelligence divisions.
  939.  
  940. I didn't even know who they were.
  941.  
  942. She kept mentioning this General
  943. by the name of Lee Goforth.
  944.  
  945. And I'm going, "Well, who the heck is he?"
  946.  
  947. "Well, he's a General, and
  948. he deals with terrorists."
  949.  
  950. I'm like, "Uh, well, that sounds great."
  951.  
  952. Then she'd mention organized
  953. crime figures:
  954.  
  955. Carlos Marcello, New Orleans;
  956.  
  957. Hank Friedman, Dan Horowitz,
  958. and other naems like that.
  959.  
  960. And then she'd tell me things out of my
  961. confidential personnel package at LAPD.
  962.  
  963. There are two packages:
  964. one in your division,
  965.  
  966. and a master one at Parker Center.
  967.  
  968. And then after a while,
  969. when we got engaged,
  970.  
  971. she said, "I work for the government."
  972.  
  973. "My people are very interested in having
  974. you go to work for me..." or, "for us."
  975.  
  976. Bada-bing, bada-boom: and
  977. then she started taking trips;
  978.  
  979. and she'd come back from Hawaii and say,
  980.  
  981. "Yeah, I was in this room, and there
  982. were 50 kilos of cocaine"
  983.  
  984. "And close to a thousand M-16s."
  985.  
  986. Now, me being a narc...
  987.  
  988. -- by the way: LAPD, when I was in
  989. Watts and I confronted John Deutch said,
  990.  
  991. "He's never worked narcotics." OK?
  992.  
  993. "United States Department of Justice
  994. Drug Enforcement Administration"
  995.  
  996. "Michael Craig Ruppert"
  997. -- that's me --
  998.  
  999. I didn't get it for writing
  1000. parking tickets.
  1001.  
  1002. I just wanted to do that in case LAPD
  1003. was watching. (applause)
  1004.  
  1005. I said, "Look, if I'm ever in a room
  1006. with 50 kilos of cocaine,"
  1007.  
  1008. "somebody's going to jail!" (laughter)
  1009.  
  1010. I mean, what's wrong with you people!
  1011.  
  1012. I mean, here I had been on loan
  1013. to Wilshire narcotics a few times,
  1014.  
  1015. writing search warrants,
  1016. happy to get an ounce,
  1017.  
  1018. and she's talking about fifty keys!
  1019.  
  1020. And I, you know... "Wow!"
  1021.  
  1022. "No, we never touch the drugs."
  1023.  
  1024. "What?"
  1025.  
  1026. "No, we don't touch the drugs."
  1027.  
  1028. "We kind of follow the guns."
  1029.  
  1030. "Okay. I'm not gonna get involved
  1031. in anything that overlooks drugs."
  1032.  
  1033. Well, she related the same stories
  1034. as having occured
  1035.  
  1036. in Baja California;
  1037.  
  1038. in Del Rio, Texas;
  1039.  
  1040. in The Bahamas;
  1041.  
  1042. in New Orleans;
  1043.  
  1044. and I kept saying...
  1045.  
  1046. (responding to inaudible comment)
  1047. Oh, it was long before Mena.
  1048.  
  1049. This was in 1976.
  1050. We hadn't even got to Mena yet.
  1051.  
  1052. And I kept saying, "I'm not gonna..."
  1053.  
  1054. And I thought it was some kind of test!
  1055.  
  1056. You know, I thought they were
  1057. testing my integrity.
  1058.  
  1059. "I'm not gonna do anything
  1060. that overlooks drugs."
  1061.  
  1062. "Forget it: I'm a cop!"
  1063.  
  1064. Anyway, after a while, it became clear
  1065. that I was not gonna roll over,
  1066.  
  1067. and she disappeared. (laughter)
  1068.  
  1069. Very suddenly.
  1070.  
  1071. Right after she disappeared,
  1072.  
  1073. a bunch of Italian thugs walked into
  1074. my mother's real estate office.
  1075.  
  1076. And then I found myself on loan to
  1077. Organized Crime Intelligence Division.
  1078.  
  1079. And who do I find myself working with
  1080. but a guy named Lee Goforth,
  1081.  
  1082. who was a senior detective, Detective III
  1083. in Organized Crime Intelligence
  1084.  
  1085. and a Brigadier General in
  1086. the California National Guard.
  1087.  
  1088. He was also LAPD's representative
  1089. to LEIU,
  1090.  
  1091. Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit,
  1092.  
  1093. which is very heavily influenced
  1094. by the alphabet soup.
  1095.  
  1096. His younger partner, Norm Bonneau,
  1097.  
  1098. and who's in OCID but
  1099. John Xavier Bach!
  1100.  
  1101. So, now I'm having all kinds
  1102. of weird things happen:
  1103.  
  1104. hang-up phone calls, burglaries;
  1105.  
  1106. I'm getting followed;
  1107.  
  1108. I have to spy on my mother,
  1109. gather intelligence.
  1110.  
  1111. This is a little stressful.
  1112.  
  1113. In 1977, I got burglarized.
  1114.  
  1115. Now, she left saying that someone was
  1116. trying to kill her, and that was the cover.
  1117.  
  1118. Somebody stole one of my guns;
  1119.  
  1120. somebody stole a photograph of her;
  1121.  
  1122. somebody got an address that I had
  1123. just gotten on her in New Orleans.
  1124.  
  1125. So my Captain, who was, to this day,
  1126. one of the finest men I've ever known,
  1127.  
  1128. a guy by the name of Jesse Brewer,
  1129.  
  1130. who was the black Police Commissioner
  1131. here in Los Angeles
  1132.  
  1133. during the time of the riots
  1134.  
  1135. -- a wonderful human being --
  1136.  
  1137. went to bat for me. He said,
  1138.  
  1139. "Look, OCID is lying. What do you want?
  1140. Take a vacation."
  1141.  
  1142. I went to New Orleans. And that was
  1143. the biggest mistake of my life.
  1144.  
  1145. I got to New Orleans, and she's got an
  1146. apartment with a scrambler phone.
  1147.  
  1148. And I didn't know what it was.
  1149.  
  1150. It's just like this eight-pound telephone
  1151.  
  1152. that looks like a normal phone,
  1153.  
  1154. but it has a little thing that you plug
  1155. into a wall socket,
  1156.  
  1157. and you plug that in.
  1158.  
  1159. And I had to describe it years later
  1160. to an Air Force officer.
  1161.  
  1162. He says, "That's a KY3."
  1163.  
  1164. At the time, it required a TS Clearance.
  1165.  
  1166. A TS or Crypto Clearance.
  1167.  
  1168. She had this black night vision device
  1169. that she carried around in a paper bag.
  1170.  
  1171. Naval and Air Force NCOs from
  1172. Belle Chase Naval Air Station
  1173.  
  1174. were bringing her communiqués.
  1175.  
  1176. And it was funny, because
  1177. they'd be in civilian clothes,
  1178.  
  1179. but they'd have the military shoes on
  1180.  
  1181. and their military ID card sticking up
  1182. out of their shirt pocket.
  1183.  
  1184. I mean, great disguise! (laughter)
  1185.  
  1186. And they'd bring these
  1187. sealed communiqués.
  1188.  
  1189. And then there was this guy
  1190. named Freddy
  1191.  
  1192. who had been a veteran of the Third
  1193. Battalion Fifth Special Forces,
  1194.  
  1195. who she went out with at night,
  1196.  
  1197. and I got to meet a whole
  1198. bunch of people
  1199.  
  1200. that worked for a company
  1201. named Brown and Root.
  1202.  
  1203. Major CIA contractor. They built
  1204. Cam Rahn Bay.
  1205.  
  1206. They are one the major homes
  1207. of sheep-dipped employees.
  1208.  
  1209. For those of you who don't know
  1210. what sheep-dipping is,
  1211.  
  1212. it's when CIA takes a guy out
  1213. of the Agency spy school
  1214.  
  1215. and puts them in IBM or some company
  1216. as their cover
  1217.  
  1218. to go travel around the world.
  1219.  
  1220. So all these people are
  1221. shipping out for Iran.
  1222.  
  1223. Oh, by the way: I didn't mention
  1224.  
  1225. that Teddy grew up with the
  1226. niece of the Shah of Iran,
  1227.  
  1228. and she used to get letters
  1229. all the time from Iran,
  1230.  
  1231. and Teddy was American.
  1232.  
  1233. And one time the Shah's nephew,
  1234. Shahyar [Pahlbod]
  1235.  
  1236. came and picked her up,
  1237. took her out to dinner.
  1238.  
  1239. So anyway, I'm watching her
  1240. make arrangements
  1241.  
  1242. for all kinds of guns to leave.
  1243.  
  1244. And then later I'm hearing
  1245. her make arrangements
  1246.  
  1247. for certain packages to be dropped
  1248. off on oil rigs in the Gulf.
  1249.  
  1250. And they would be stashed on the
  1251. oil rigs, down on the pilings,
  1252.  
  1253. and bubbleheads, as they call them
  1254.  
  1255. -- deep-sea divers, hardhats --
  1256.  
  1257. would go down and pull up
  1258. the packages of heroin
  1259.  
  1260. at the same time that a service boat
  1261. coming out to bring food
  1262.  
  1263. would arrive at the oil rig, not subject
  1264. to Customs search.
  1265.  
  1266. And the divers would just toss
  1267. the heroin, then home.
  1268.  
  1269. Carlos Marcello controlled the whole
  1270. dock operation in New Orleans,
  1271.  
  1272. so here I saw...
  1273.  
  1274. and the name CIA was dropped six
  1275. or seven times while I was there.
  1276.  
  1277. I saw scrambled communications,
  1278. and letterheads, and all this stuff.
  1279.  
  1280. So they were controlling an operation
  1281.  
  1282. where drugs were going out
  1283. and guns were coming in.
  1284.  
  1285. This is was in 1977.
  1286.  
  1287. So after eight days, I said,
  1288. "Goodbye, I'm leaving"
  1289.  
  1290. "I don't want anything to do
  1291. with you people."
  1292.  
  1293. And for those of us who have
  1294. been through this,
  1295.  
  1296. it is a very painful loss of innocence.
  1297.  
  1298. I can't tell you how painful it is to begin to
  1299. discover that your country is really dirty.
  1300.  
  1301. And you do it in stages.
  1302. You don't let go all at once.
  1303.  
  1304. I came back, I told everybody,
  1305. "Leave me alone," and they wouldn't.
  1306.  
  1307. I kept getting followed, chased.
  1308.  
  1309. I got shot at once in New Orleans.
  1310.  
  1311. And I would up going into a hospital
  1312. for stress,
  1313.  
  1314. basically because OCID said
  1315.  
  1316. they were gonna commit me under one
  1317. of their psychiatrists. (crowd murmurs)
  1318.  
  1319. So I said, "OK, I'm going into
  1320. my own hospital."
  1321.  
  1322. And I got tested eight ways from Sunday,
  1323.  
  1324. and they said I was perfectly sane,
  1325.  
  1326. and I fought a little battle
  1327. and was injured on duty.
  1328.  
  1329. I returned, earned the highest rating
  1330. reports possible in LAPD;
  1331.  
  1332. was about to be promoted; was
  1333. on staff at the Police Academy:
  1334.  
  1335. And the Iranian Revolution broke loose.
  1336.  
  1337. And I started to make some more
  1338. connections,
  1339.  
  1340. and that's when I started getting
  1341. death threats, and burglarized.
  1342.  
  1343. I wound up taking a tape-recorded
  1344. eath threat,
  1345.  
  1346. and I asked to see Chief Daryl Gates.
  1347.  
  1348. Where do you go if Organized Crime
  1349. Intelligence is lying to you?
  1350.  
  1351. In LAPD, there is no place else
  1352. you go but the Chief.
  1353.  
  1354. And I said, "I've got a problem."
  1355.  
  1356. Because Daryl Gates had just
  1357. been made Chief,
  1358.  
  1359. and his bodyguard-driver was a guy
  1360.  
  1361. by the name of John Xavier Bach.
  1362. (crowd murmers)
  1363.  
  1364. And I said, "I can't see Daryl while
  1365. Bach's there, because he's CIA."
  1366.  
  1367. And I got a message back from
  1368. Sergeant Pickering,
  1369.  
  1370. a friend of mine who had
  1371. relayed the message:
  1372.  
  1373. "Well, the chief realizes that somebody
  1374. may be trying to kill you."
  1375.  
  1376. "He's kind of busy. He can give you five
  1377. or ten minutes in a week or ten days."
  1378.  
  1379. "Would you like to make
  1380. an appointment?"
  1381.  
  1382. I wanna show you something.
  1383.  
  1384. I'm gonna being giving this out
  1385. at the press conference
  1386.  
  1387. at the rally that we're doing
  1388. this weekend.
  1389.  
  1390. This is from the Los Angeles Times, and
  1391. the date on this is November 17th, 1984:
  1392.  
  1393. "Officers' Moonlighting Probed."
  1394.  
  1395. If you read this, it talks about
  1396. a Detective
  1397.  
  1398. who went back to Organized Crime
  1399. Intelligence
  1400.  
  1401. named John Xavier Bach.
  1402.  
  1403. And it says... it says here... it says...
  1404.  
  1405. "Copies of official records of the
  1406. California Department of Justice that"
  1407.  
  1408. "contain information about criminal
  1409. history"
  1410.  
  1411. "of members of the Jewish
  1412. Defense League..." da-da-da,
  1413.  
  1414. "government code," da-da-da...
  1415. OK:
  1416.  
  1417. "turned over a transcript of the
  1418. conversation between Glalley and Earl (sp)
  1419.  
  1420. to an employee of the
  1421. Central Intelligence Agency
  1422.  
  1423. whom Ripaski (sp) identified
  1424. as Jack Harmeyer (sp).
  1425.  
  1426. He was moonlighting for the Central
  1427. Intelligence Agency on city time,
  1428.  
  1429. and he was convicted in
  1430. municipal court, OK?
  1431.  
  1432. No corroboration for my story
  1433. whatsoever, right?
  1434.  
  1435. Not according to the LA Times.
  1436.  
  1437. I had alleged in 1978
  1438. that he was CIA, OK?
  1439.  
  1440. So I wound up resigning.
  1441.  
  1442. I got an attorney,
  1443.  
  1444. and I got an attorney who was
  1445. a former FBI Intelligence agent.
  1446.  
  1447. (laughter)
  1448.  
  1449. Don't hold it against me.
  1450. Look we have to learn...
  1451.  
  1452. I was way ahead of you guys on this,
  1453. you know. This was in '78.
  1454.  
  1455. I went to the FBI, went to Sam Hayakawa,
  1456. Bob Dornin, Alan Cranston. (sp)
  1457.  
  1458. Sam Hayakawa was a very gracious
  1459. and wonderful gentleman.
  1460.  
  1461. He was the only elected official
  1462. who ever went to bat for me.
  1463.  
  1464. In all these years, he is the only
  1465. one who ever did.
  1466.  
  1467. Anyway: got on the record
  1468. wherever I could,
  1469.  
  1470. and I documented everything
  1471. I had seen in New Orleans.
  1472.  
  1473. So sum up: the points that I made in
  1474. four-and-a-half hour complaint to the FBI
  1475.  
  1476. that I later made to a reporter David
  1477. Rosensweig (sp) at the LA Times
  1478.  
  1479. -- who, until recently, was Assistant
  1480. Managing Editor at the LA Times --
  1481.  
  1482. to all the Congresspeople,
  1483. to everything else, I said:
  1484.  
  1485. "Carlos Marcello, guns, drugs, CIA, Hawaii,
  1486. California, Mexico, submarines,"
  1487.  
  1488. "Texas, Louisiana, terrorism,
  1489. and rebel groups"
  1490.  
  1491. That was in 1978.
  1492.  
  1493. Item from the Los Angeles Times:
  1494.  
  1495. -- you're gonna love this one --
  1496.  
  1497. "Guns for drugs trade booming,
  1498. reports disclose.'
  1499.  
  1500. From Newsday.
  1501.  
  1502. Times didn't write it, but they
  1503. reprinted this story from Newsday, OK?
  1504.  
  1505. And what it says is: "Carlos Marcello,
  1506. guns, drugs, terrorist groups,"
  1507.  
  1508. "Baja California, submarines, Texas,
  1509. Louisiana, The Bahamas..."
  1510.  
  1511. and everything I had said a year before.
  1512.  
  1513. The LA Times said, "There's no
  1514. story here!" (laughter, murmuring)
  1515.  
  1516. No corroboration.
  1517.  
  1518. David Rosenzweig (sp), after this
  1519. came out, was promoted
  1520.  
  1521. from Staff Writer to
  1522. Assistant City Editor, OK?
  1523.  
  1524. I called the writer for that story,
  1525. Tom Renard (sp),
  1526.  
  1527. and I mentioned the name Bonneau.
  1528.  
  1529. He said, "Wait a minute: LAPD, Bonneau?"
  1530.  
  1531. -- turned through his pages --
  1532.  
  1533. "I've got this guy Bonneau's name"
  1534.  
  1535. "in connection with a CIA machine gun
  1536. factory in Mexico."
  1537.  
  1538. -- "Uh, wait a minute. OK." --
  1539.  
  1540. So he says, "Call this investigator,
  1541. Bill Christianson, who's working for"
  1542.  
  1543. "Deconcini's [Sub-]Committee on Improvements in Judicial Machinery"
  1544.  
  1545. Great name.
  1546.  
  1547. So I call Christianson up and
  1548. I run through all the stuff.
  1549.  
  1550. Now I know: CIA is dealing drugs.
  1551. They're protecting Marcello.
  1552.  
  1553. They're hand-in-glove;
  1554.  
  1555. they're partners, and CIA is
  1556. profiting from the deals, OK?
  1557.  
  1558. I call Christianson, I lay it out.
  1559. He says,
  1560.  
  1561. "You're right! My offices are bugged;
  1562. I'm getting followed;"
  1563.  
  1564. "We were burglarized last week."
  1565.  
  1566. This is a Senate investigator.
  1567. This is 1979. OK?
  1568.  
  1569. He says, "We'll get you back
  1570. here to testify."
  1571.  
  1572. That was the first time I was
  1573. promised I could testify.
  1574.  
  1575. A short time later, I had to start
  1576. looking for a job.
  1577.  
  1578. I was a writer.
  1579.  
  1580. I had been laid off from one writing job,
  1581.  
  1582. and I couldn't find a job
  1583. anywhere in this city.
  1584.  
  1585. And I would see unmarked
  1586. LAPD cars turning up
  1587.  
  1588. outside of places where
  1589. I would go for interviews.
  1590.  
  1591. After about three weeks,
  1592. I took a job at a 7-11 store,
  1593.  
  1594. because I needed to eat.
  1595.  
  1596. My first day on the job,
  1597. somebody calls up and says,
  1598.  
  1599. "Is Mike Ruppert working today?"
  1600.  
  1601. My second day on the job,
  1602.  
  1603. I was arrested for selling
  1604. liquor to a minor.
  1605.  
  1606. The second time I was shot at:
  1607. after that, I was dead drunk.
  1608.  
  1609. I was on my lawn.
  1610.  
  1611. I mean, I really didn't care much
  1612. anymore, and somebody shot at me.
  1613.  
  1614. I didn't even bother
  1615. to report it at that time.
  1616.  
  1617. I was just ready to give up.
  1618.  
  1619. But you can't give up.
  1620.  
  1621. That's what I found out.
  1622.  
  1623. (applause)
  1624.  
  1625. I wish I had a choice.
  1626.  
  1627. I really do wish I had a choice.
  1628.  
  1629. So I kept pursuing and pursuing
  1630. and pursuing,
  1631.  
  1632. and eventually one reporter,
  1633.  
  1634. from the days when we had a paper
  1635. in this town... (laughter) (applause)
  1636.  
  1637. Randall Sullivan.
  1638.  
  1639. I made the front page of the Herald Examiner two Sundays in a row,
  1640.  
  1641. October 11th and October 18th, 1981.
  1642.  
  1643. There's a full page.
  1644.  
  1645. I love this part: it says, "Mike Ruppert,
  1646. perhaps LAPD's most intelligent officer."
  1647.  
  1648. I really like that one.
  1649.  
  1650. If I'm so intelligent,
  1651. what am I doing this for?
  1652.  
  1653. OK, it lays out all this stuff about CIA.
  1654.  
  1655. It actually even finally mentioned
  1656. down here
  1657.  
  1658. -- after the end of two parts
  1659. in two weeks --
  1660.  
  1661. CIA dealing drugs.
  1662.  
  1663. So I am on the record in October of 1981.
  1664.  
  1665. I even have documents back from the
  1666. FBI saying that I said it back in 1980.
  1667.  
  1668. So I do have a claim to some
  1669. seniority here. (laughter)
  1670.  
  1671. What that gets me, I have no idea.
  1672.  
  1673. Now, by this time, Ronald Reagan
  1674. is President.
  1675.  
  1676. Craig Fuller is Assistant to President
  1677. Reagan for Cabinet Affairs.
  1678.  
  1679. Craig Fuller's name turns up
  1680. in this article.
  1681.  
  1682. I had a letter from Craig:
  1683.  
  1684. "Any time you're in Washington,
  1685. come and see me."
  1686.  
  1687. "I'd love to see ya."
  1688.  
  1689. So I fly back with Part Two
  1690. under my arm.
  1691.  
  1692. October 26, 1981, I am invited into
  1693. the West Wing of the White House.
  1694.  
  1695. (silence; single audience
  1696. member whistles)
  1697.  
  1698. And I get into the basement.
  1699.  
  1700. Now, the Senate was gonna say that...
  1701.  
  1702. Senate Intelligence was gonna
  1703. say I was never there,
  1704.  
  1705. because two original White House letters
  1706. were burglarized from my home
  1707.  
  1708. just three months ago.
  1709.  
  1710. The same day that a senior investigator
  1711.  
  1712. for Senate Select Al Cummings
  1713.  
  1714. called me and asked me if I had original
  1715. letters on White House stationery.
  1716.  
  1717. (audience murmurs)
  1718.  
  1719. He's been very helpful,
  1720. by the way, though.
  1721.  
  1722. I mean, he told LAPD he was
  1723. doing an active investigation:
  1724.  
  1725. "Yeah, we were trying to get
  1726. these letters,"
  1727.  
  1728. "and everything Mike said is true,"
  1729.  
  1730. "and we had trouble faxing them,"
  1731.  
  1732. and all kinds of shit.
  1733.  
  1734. Excuse me: I said a bad word.
  1735.  
  1736. So anyway, I get into Craig's office,
  1737.  
  1738. and just for the record, Craig's office:
  1739.  
  1740. if you're looking at the West Wing,
  1741. you go in through the portico.
  1742.  
  1743. You take a hard right past
  1744. the receptionist,
  1745.  
  1746. and on the far side of the reception area,
  1747.  
  1748. there's a very steep and
  1749. narrow staircase,
  1750.  
  1751. because it's built over so many years.
  1752.  
  1753. You go down to the bottom
  1754. of the staircase;
  1755.  
  1756. you take a hard right and come back,
  1757.  
  1758. and he had the corner office facing
  1759. Pennsylvania Avenue and 17th.
  1760.  
  1761. Tell me I wasn't there, OK?
  1762.  
  1763. I sat in his office and
  1764. we talked for a while,
  1765.  
  1766. and then I said,
  1767.  
  1768. Craig, look: CIA's really heavily
  1769. infiltrated LAPD,
  1770.  
  1771. and CIA is complicit in bringing
  1772. drugs into this country,
  1773.  
  1774. and it's wrong.
  1775.  
  1776. Now, I'll tell you exactly
  1777. what Craig said:
  1778.  
  1779. (silence)
  1780.  
  1781. (laughter)
  1782.  
  1783. He did not move; he did not breathe;
  1784. he did not anything,
  1785.  
  1786. until I changed the subject, OK?
  1787.  
  1788. Not:
  1789.  
  1790. "Oh my God, I'm a public servant!"
  1791.  
  1792. "What you're alleging is a great
  1793. outrage to the American people."
  1794.  
  1795. "It's offense to the Constitution
  1796. and any sense of decency"
  1797.  
  1798. "possessed by any human being
  1799. anywhere in the world."
  1800.  
  1801. Not:
  1802.  
  1803. "My God, this is terrible! Somebody
  1804. needs to look into this! This is awful!"
  1805.  
  1806. He just sat stone silent.
  1807.  
  1808. And then George Bush made him his
  1809. Chief of Staff in the second Reagan term.
  1810.  
  1811. And I remember walking out of the
  1812. White House and saying to myself,
  1813.  
  1814. "Self, where do I go now?"
  1815.  
  1816. So I came back to Los Angeles,
  1817.  
  1818. and it was one of the several times
  1819. I tried to put all this behind me.
  1820.  
  1821. And of course, events just
  1822. kept catching up again,
  1823.  
  1824. because in 1981 Oliver North
  1825. was just getting started.
  1826.  
  1827. Now, in January of '82, I went to UCLA
  1828.  
  1829. -- which was my school --
  1830.  
  1831. and I sought out the ranking expert
  1832. on Middle East affairs
  1833.  
  1834. in the Political Science department,
  1835.  
  1836. a guy named Paul Jabber.
  1837.  
  1838. You're gonna love this one, this story!
  1839.  
  1840. So, I go to Paul Jabber's office.
  1841.  
  1842. Now, by now I've pieced
  1843. some stuff together
  1844.  
  1845. about why the guns are going
  1846. and where they're going.
  1847.  
  1848. And I've narrowed it down to probably
  1849. the Kurds, maybe the Baluchis,
  1850.  
  1851. and it had to do with arming a group
  1852. in Iran to fight somebody...
  1853.  
  1854. -- excuse me --
  1855.  
  1856. mildly in connection, maybe,
  1857. with the revolution,
  1858.  
  1859. but I wasn't sure.
  1860.  
  1861. But I had names of people like Shackley
  1862. -- and we'll get to that in a minute.
  1863.  
  1864. See, he says, "My God, Mike:
  1865. your analysis is brilliant!"
  1866.  
  1867. "Did you know, by the way,
  1868. hat I was a CIA consultant"
  1869.  
  1870. "and a State Department consultant
  1871. for Jimmy Carter?" (laughter)
  1872.  
  1873. Do you ever feel like God's following
  1874. you around with this stuff? (laughter)
  1875.  
  1876. And I said, "No..."
  1877.  
  1878. And he said,
  1879. "Listen: I have secrecy oaths,"
  1880.  
  1881. "and I have these agreements
  1882. that I've signed."
  1883.  
  1884. I can't tell you outright;
  1885.  
  1886. but why don't you go read the
  1887. New York Times on these dates,
  1888.  
  1889. articles by C. L. Sulzberger and
  1890. William Safire,
  1891.  
  1892. and look up the Kurds,
  1893. and tell me what you think.
  1894.  
  1895. So I went and did it, and I
  1896. pieced it all together.
  1897.  
  1898. And what happened was,
  1899. on March 3, 1975...
  1900.  
  1901. -- March 3, 1975: April, 1975
  1902. is when Saigon fell.
  1903.  
  1904. Remember the context of history. --
  1905.  
  1906. March 3, 1975: the Shah of Iran
  1907. and Saddam Hussein
  1908.  
  1909. signed the Treaty of Algiers.
  1910.  
  1911. We had been arming the Kurds for
  1912. decades to fight against Iraq
  1913.  
  1914. so that Iraq could not attack Israel, OK?
  1915.  
  1916. Through Iraq. And what
  1917. the Shah said was,
  1918.  
  1919. S"Saddam, if you give me the
  1920. hatt al-Arab waterway,"
  1921.  
  1922. "I can double my oil exports, and
  1923. I'll cut off all aid to the Kurds,"
  1924.  
  1925. "and you can massacre them,"
  1926.  
  1927. "and then your army's free to do
  1928. whatever you want to do."
  1929.  
  1930. So they shook hands at the
  1931. Treaty of Algiers: March 3, '75.
  1932.  
  1933. Within weeks, about 8-10,000 Kurds
  1934. were massacred.
  1935.  
  1936. So I pieced it together, and I
  1937. went back to Paul Jabber,
  1938.  
  1939. and I said,
  1940. "Well, what happened was, then,"
  1941.  
  1942. "in order to keep the Kurds alive,"
  1943.  
  1944. "they used the opium-smuggling
  1945. routes..."
  1946.  
  1947. -- Kurdistan being, by the way,
  1948.  
  1949. the second-largest opium-growing
  1950. region in the world --
  1951.  
  1952. "to smuggle out opium,
  1953. which was made into heroin"
  1954.  
  1955. "and sold here to buy the guns
  1956. to keep the Kurds alive."
  1957.  
  1958. He says, "You're absolutely right."
  1959.  
  1960. "The decision was made at the
  1961. National Security Council level..."
  1962.  
  1963. -- read that, folks: that's
  1964. the White House! --
  1965.  
  1966. to sell heroin to American citizens
  1967. to keep the Kurds alive. OK?
  1968.  
  1969. (Man in audience) Maybe
  1970. that was just a pretext!
  1971.  
  1972. Moving right on.
  1973. Do you guys pay him, or what?
  1974.  
  1975. (laughter, applause)
  1976. OK.
  1977.  
  1978. Remember Southeast Asia here,
  1979. where I wrote some names
  1980.  
  1981. like Ted Shackley, Tom Clines,
  1982. Richard Secord?
  1983.  
  1984. What happened in 1975?
  1985.  
  1986. The Vietnam War ended.
  1987.  
  1988. Ted Shackley moved and became
  1989. Deputy Director of Central Intelligence
  1990.  
  1991. in charge of covert operations
  1992. for the Middle East.
  1993.  
  1994. Richard Secord was transfered
  1995. to Iran as the Air Attaché.
  1996.  
  1997. Richard Armitage was transferred to Iran
  1998.  
  1999. on missions connected with
  2000. banking and finance.
  2001.  
  2002. Is this beginning to sound familiar here?
  2003.  
  2004. Is there a pattern shaping up h
  2005. ere somewhere? OK?
  2006.  
  2007. The same players from Southeast Asia
  2008. moved to Iran.
  2009.  
  2010. The same players from Iran in 1980
  2011. moved into Pakistan
  2012.  
  2013. when the Russians invaded Afghanistan.
  2014.  
  2015. Everywhere these people go, there is
  2016. a huge boom in the drug trade.
  2017.  
  2018. Pakistan, before the invasion
  2019. by the Soviets,
  2020.  
  2021. had supplied zero percent
  2022. f American heroin.
  2023.  
  2024. (man in audience) You mean
  2025. Afghanistan.
  2026.  
  2027. Afghanistan: well, no.
  2028. They had invaded Afghanistan,
  2029.  
  2030. but all of the American supply operations
  2031. were run from Pakistan.
  2032.  
  2033. The mujahideen were armed
  2034. through American bases in Pakistan
  2035.  
  2036. over into the border.
  2037.  
  2038. By the middle of that conflict,
  2039.  
  2040. 40 to 60 percent of the heroin
  2041. n this country
  2042.  
  2043. was coming from -- guess where? -- Pakistan. Duh!
  2044.  
  2045. So, now we move to Iran-Contra.
  2046.  
  2047. The Bowen Amendment says,
  2048. "No more lethal aid to the Contras."
  2049.  
  2050. "Cut 'em off."
  2051.  
  2052. Reagan says, "We'll go private..."
  2053.  
  2054. Oliver North, by the way, started to get
  2055. involved back in Iran and Pakistan.
  2056.  
  2057. He starts cropping up.
  2058.  
  2059. Now we have the Contra
  2060. supply operation.
  2061.  
  2062. And who do we find?
  2063.  
  2064. -- Oh, by the way: John Singlaub
  2065. went to the Middle East, too --
  2066.  
  2067. Now, who do we find cropping
  2068. up in Iran-Contra?
  2069.  
  2070. John Singlaub, Richard Secord,
  2071. Ted Shackley, Richard Armitage...
  2072.  
  2073. all the same people. Oliver North,
  2074. again: the same people
  2075.  
  2076. -- for 40 years, 50 years --
  2077.  
  2078. have been doing the same thing. OK?
  2079.  
  2080. Now we get to Iran-Contra.
  2081.  
  2082. And I'm not gonna spend
  2083. a great deal of time
  2084.  
  2085. on all this stuff that's already out.
  2086.  
  2087. I will give you one specific
  2088. case illustrating,
  2089.  
  2090. and that's the case of Juan Ramón
  2091. Matta-Ballesteros, of Honduras.
  2092.  
  2093. And during the early years of the
  2094. Iran-Contra era,
  2095.  
  2096. Honduras was supplying
  2097. approximately 50 percent
  2098.  
  2099. of the cocaine consumed i
  2100. n this country,
  2101.  
  2102. through Matta-Ballesteros.
  2103.  
  2104. Duane Clarridge, CIA Station Chief,
  2105.  
  2106. had contracted with
  2107. Matta's airline, SETCO,
  2108.  
  2109. for exclusive contracting for
  2110. Contra supply operations.
  2111.  
  2112. DEA station in Honduras was
  2113. ordered closed in 1982.
  2114.  
  2115. Juan Ramón Matta-Ballesteros
  2116. was very closely connected
  2117.  
  2118. with a Mexican cartel run by
  2119. Felix Gallardo and Rafael Caro Quintero.
  2120.  
  2121. Everybody remember Kiki Camerena?
  2122.  
  2123. Kiki Camerena was investigating
  2124. Gallardo and Quintero.
  2125.  
  2126. He was chasing a CIA drug ring
  2127. when he was murdered.
  2128.  
  2129. And I have found one of the men,
  2130. the CIA agents,
  2131.  
  2132. who was on the mission where
  2133. Kiki was murdered.
  2134.  
  2135. And we're gonna get into that in a second.
  2136.  
  2137. Now, I want to backtrack a little bit.
  2138.  
  2139. A lot has been overlooked about the
  2140. role of the US military in drug-dealing,
  2141.  
  2142. as ordered by the CIA.
  2143.  
  2144. Over 20 years of my investigations,
  2145.  
  2146. what I see is several things.
  2147.  
  2148. First of all, what I call the
  2149. "shadow government,"
  2150.  
  2151. which includes many agencies...
  2152.  
  2153. -- DIA, Defense Department, NSA...
  2154. they're everywhere, OK? --
  2155.  
  2156. had used large components
  2157. of the military.
  2158.  
  2159. Many people here... let me ask:
  2160.  
  2161. is anyone here familiar with
  2162. the Watchtower missions?
  2163.  
  2164. I see a couple of hands. OK.
  2165.  
  2166. The Watchtower missions took
  2167. place in the mid- to late-'70s.
  2168.  
  2169. Elements of the Seventh Special
  2170. Forces Group Airborne
  2171.  
  2172. were ordered from Panama by a guy
  2173. by the name of Edwin Wilson
  2174.  
  2175. on orders from a guy by the name
  2176. of Tom Clines
  2177.  
  2178. -- Ted Shackley's deputy; Ted Shackley
  2179. is now out of the agency --
  2180.  
  2181. to take Special Action Teams into
  2182. Colombia and plant radar beacons,
  2183.  
  2184. so the cocaine flights can fly below radar
  2185. and land at Albrook Airfield in Panama.
  2186.  
  2187. Special Forces troops were there,
  2188.  
  2189. including one William Tyree,
  2190.  
  2191. as Manuel Noriega meets the aircraft,
  2192.  
  2193. along with Ed Wilson and a
  2194. guy named Michael Harari
  2195.  
  2196. of the Israeli Mossad, OK?
  2197.  
  2198. There were three series
  2199. of these missions,
  2200.  
  2201. each commanded by a different
  2202. Special Forces Colonel.
  2203.  
  2204. All of these Special Forces
  2205. Colonels are dead.
  2206.  
  2207. Actually, there are five Special Forces
  2208. Colonels who have been murdered:
  2209.  
  2210. Baker, Rowe, Cutolo, Malvesti,
  2211. and Bayard, OK?
  2212.  
  2213. There was...
  2214.  
  2215. it centers around an affidavit
  2216.  
  2217. called the Cutolo Affadavit.
  2218.  
  2219. These are some of my documents
  2220. relevant to Watchtower.
  2221.  
  2222. And I'll tell you right up front
  2223. that the affadavit of Ed Cutolo,
  2224.  
  2225. Colonel at Tenth Special Forces,
  2226.  
  2227. -- he went from the Seventh
  2228. to the Tenth --
  2229.  
  2230. this is the cover sheet:
  2231.  
  2232. it was not written by
  2233. Colonel Edward Cutolo.
  2234.  
  2235. One of the reasons why I know that
  2236.  
  2237. is because he refers to the
  2238. Panamanian Defense Forces,
  2239.  
  2240. and Ed Cutolo was murdered in 1980,
  2241.  
  2242. and they weren't named the Panamanian
  2243. Defense Forces until '85. OK?
  2244.  
  2245. But everything in his affidavit
  2246. has been corroborated.
  2247.  
  2248. He left files with people at the NSA,
  2249.  
  2250. and I know who the people are.
  2251.  
  2252. But we're not gonna discuss
  2253. names there.
  2254.  
  2255. Every aspect of the Watchtower missions
  2256. has been corroborated independently
  2257.  
  2258. by other affidavits.
  2259.  
  2260. We fast-forward to 1978, 1979, '80.
  2261.  
  2262. Cutolo is now commander of
  2263. Tenth Special Forces Group Airborne
  2264.  
  2265. at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.
  2266.  
  2267. And we have an operation
  2268. known as Orwell.
  2269.  
  2270. Due to the massive CIA drug operations,
  2271. they were afraid of leaks.
  2272.  
  2273. Now remember, when I left LAPD,
  2274. it was November 30, 1978.
  2275.  
  2276. Orwell was at its peak then.
  2277.  
  2278. Army Security Agency,
  2279. Special Forces personnel,
  2280.  
  2281. military intelligence personnel were
  2282. ordered to bug and wiretap courthouses,
  2283.  
  2284. politicians, anybody who had
  2285. any knowledge.
  2286.  
  2287. We have affidavits from people
  2288.  
  2289. who pulled mics out of courthouse
  2290. walls in Massachusetts.
  2291.  
  2292. They did John Kerry.
  2293.  
  2294. They did Tip O'Neill.
  2295.  
  2296. They did anybody, any politician who
  2297. might expose these operations.
  2298.  
  2299. Now, we have a Sergeant Bill Tyree
  2300. who was on these missions,
  2301.  
  2302. who had been on the missions
  2303. in Central America,
  2304.  
  2305. who had been ordered to do
  2306. these surveillances,
  2307.  
  2308. -- and he wanted out.
  2309.  
  2310. He got sick to his stomach.
  2311.  
  2312. He'd had enough.
  2313.  
  2314. This was not America to him.
  2315.  
  2316. His wife had been keeping diaries.
  2317.  
  2318. They murdered his wife,
  2319. and they framed him for it.
  2320.  
  2321. We have affidavits from people saying
  2322. he wasn't even at the murder scene.
  2323.  
  2324. We have a letter from the District
  2325. Attorney who prosecuted the case,
  2326.  
  2327. who was gay,
  2328.  
  2329. who was being blackmailed
  2330. by Special Forces saying,
  2331.  
  2332. "Please destroy the videotape showing
  2333. the murderer other than Tyree"
  2334.  
  2335. "coming out of the bedroom window."
  2336.  
  2337. OK?
  2338.  
  2339. There's so much proof that...
  2340.  
  2341. he's been in prison now eighteen years.
  2342.  
  2343. I talked to him yesterday. OK?
  2344.  
  2345. And as we move along with this case,
  2346.  
  2347. we get more and more information
  2348. about Watchtower.
  2349.  
  2350. This -- I will hold up for you here --
  2351.  
  2352. this is what the Army has to say
  2353. about Watchtower (laughter)
  2354.  
  2355. And then they say it never existed;
  2356. it just wasn't there.
  2357.  
  2358. The Central Intelligence Agency -- if I
  2359. can find it quickly, and I probably can't --
  2360.  
  2361. but I have documents that he got from
  2362. the Central Intelligence Agency
  2363.  
  2364. that says, "There was no
  2365. Watchtower mission."
  2366.  
  2367. -- it's a six-page letter in reponse to his
  2368. Freedom of Information Act Request --
  2369.  
  2370. They go through three-and-a-half
  2371. pages of "There is no Watchtower,"
  2372.  
  2373. and then -- badda-bing, badda-boom --
  2374.  
  2375. it says at the end, "We are reviewing
  2376. all of our Watchtower documents"
  2377.  
  2378. "because we've had so many requests
  2379. for them; and as soon as..."
  2380.  
  2381. Then they wrote him and said,
  2382.  
  2383. "Can we have our last letter back?"
  2384.  
  2385. Believe it or not, they did. (laughter)
  2386.  
  2387. These people are not as smart
  2388. as we give them credit for.
  2389.  
  2390. (applause) They use fear as a tool, OK?
  2391.  
  2392. There is so much evidence
  2393. about Watchtower.
  2394.  
  2395. And I have spoken to many
  2396. Special Forces people.
  2397.  
  2398. This came out, by the way, through
  2399. Bo Gritz, who I've met several times,
  2400.  
  2401. after Paul Neary of the National Security
  2402. Agency died of natural causes,
  2403.  
  2404. it was forwarded to Bo,
  2405.  
  2406. and Bo started to release
  2407. it in the early '90s.
  2408.  
  2409. And there is a ton...
  2410.  
  2411. I mean, if this guy ever gets a trial,
  2412. he's free.
  2413.  
  2414. And In my speech Saturday at the rally,
  2415.  
  2416. I'm going to be talking about Bill Tyree.
  2417.  
  2418. I'm going to be talking about the twelve
  2419. or so members of Special Forces
  2420.  
  2421. who have shared with me
  2422. the shame they carry
  2423.  
  2424. at having been ordered
  2425. to do things like this.
  2426.  
  2427. Now, I want to get to someone who's
  2428. even gonna make you feel worse,
  2429.  
  2430. if that's possible.
  2431.  
  2432. Ah, thank you.
  2433.  
  2434. Pardon me, I'm gonna hit the glass.
  2435.  
  2436. This is a guy that I get to take credit
  2437. for discovering all by myself.
  2438.  
  2439. Again, I have such wonderful luck.
  2440.  
  2441. Colonel Albert Vincent Carone.
  2442.  
  2443. In this copyrighted report
  2444. that I wrote in 1994,
  2445.  
  2446. I called him the missing link
  2447.  
  2448. between Iran-Contra cocaine operations
  2449. and organized crime.
  2450.  
  2451. This man was 20 years with the
  2452. New York Police Department,
  2453.  
  2454. a detective,
  2455.  
  2456. who happened to be involved in
  2457. a couple of very key NYPD cases
  2458.  
  2459. known as The French Connection
  2460. and The Prince of the City,
  2461.  
  2462. for which my colleague Jimmy Rothstein
  2463. , a retired NYPD detective,
  2464.  
  2465. deserves great credit as having
  2466. uncovered the CIA links to both cases.
  2467.  
  2468. This is a picture of Colonel Albert
  2469. Carone after his retirement from NYPD.
  2470.  
  2471. He was caught sodomizing
  2472. two twelve-year-old boys,
  2473.  
  2474. and they gave him a pension.
  2475.  
  2476. He had been a bagman and a CIA
  2477. operative for his whole career.
  2478.  
  2479. He is the counterpart in NYPD
  2480.  
  2481. for what they wanted me and others
  2482. to do at LAPD,
  2483.  
  2484. except for... this guy died,
  2485. by the way, in 1990.
  2486.  
  2487. I've held his personal phone book
  2488. in my hand.
  2489.  
  2490. Let me backtrack again:
  2491.  
  2492. the death certificate when he died:
  2493. we call it "the CIA flu."
  2494.  
  2495. The death certificate read
  2496. "chemical toxicity of unknown etiology,"
  2497.  
  2498. (laughter)
  2499.  
  2500. His liver and brain self-destructed
  2501. over a period of six months,
  2502.  
  2503. and no doctor, of about eleven
  2504. doctors who treated him,
  2505.  
  2506. could figure out what was causing it.
  2507.  
  2508. I've held his phone book in my hand,
  2509. Colonel Albert Carone,
  2510.  
  2511. and in that phone book, I found William
  2512. Casey's home phone number
  2513.  
  2514. in Locust Valley, Long Island.
  2515.  
  2516. I found the home phone number
  2517. for Paulie Castellano.
  2518.  
  2519. Anybody know who Paulie Castellano is?
  2520.  
  2521. He's the guy who took over
  2522. the Gambino crime family.
  2523.  
  2524. "Matty the Horse" Ianniello.
  2525.  
  2526. Pete Licavoli.
  2527.  
  2528. More mobsters than you
  2529. can shake a stick at.
  2530.  
  2531. Now, I found a couple other
  2532. names in the phone book.
  2533.  
  2534. Go back to Southeast Asia: remember
  2535. what I wrote on the board up here?
  2536.  
  2537. Paul Helliwell and Richard Stillwell:
  2538. home phone numbers.
  2539.  
  2540. Also key players in a bank called the
  2541. Nugan-Hand bank, out of Australia,
  2542.  
  2543. which was the CIA's drug bank, who had
  2544. Bill Colby as its chief counsel.
  2545.  
  2546. Uh, this is a clue! This is a clue! OK...
  2547. (laughter)
  2548.  
  2549. He went on a mission to Mexico in 1985
  2550.  
  2551. with a guy named James Robert Strauss.
  2552.  
  2553. -- I have no idea how long
  2554. I've been going --
  2555.  
  2556. (Host) You're OK.
  2557.  
  2558. OK. James Robert Strauss:
  2559. who used to brag about
  2560.  
  2561. having taken quiet walks on the beach
  2562. with Richard Nixon.
  2563.  
  2564. I hope they weren't too close. (laughter)
  2565.  
  2566. And he came back from
  2567. this mission saying,
  2568.  
  2569. "My God! We killed two DEA agents."
  2570.  
  2571. "We massacred a whole bunch
  2572. of innocent civilians in Chiapas."
  2573.  
  2574. -- you know that there's a revolution
  2575. going on in Chiapas, now --
  2576.  
  2577. "And I've lost my stomach:
  2578. I can't do this anymore."
  2579.  
  2580. He had been laundering cocaine profits
  2581. from the CIA through the Mafia
  2582.  
  2583. for about 25, 30 years,
  2584.  
  2585. and he lost his stomach.
  2586.  
  2587. Not after sodomizing the boys,
  2588. or killing people, or anything,
  2589.  
  2590. but when two DEA agents finally killed,
  2591.  
  2592. something finally clicked:
  2593. "something is wrong."
  2594.  
  2595. Do we have any other evidence,
  2596. by the way?
  2597.  
  2598. Here is one of the pages from
  2599. one of his surviving passports.
  2600.  
  2601. If anybody knows anything
  2602. about passports,
  2603.  
  2604. he had a black one,
  2605.  
  2606. he had a maroon one,
  2607.  
  2608. he had a green one,
  2609.  
  2610. and he had a blue one...
  2611.  
  2612. -- in three different names.
  2613.  
  2614. Here's a passport stamp showing
  2615. three-day circuits
  2616.  
  2617. from John F. Kennedy, to London Heathrow,
  2618. to Nassau, the Bahamas.
  2619.  
  2620. Could he have been laundering stuff?
  2621.  
  2622. I don't know.
  2623.  
  2624. We have some bank account
  2625. numbers at NatWest,
  2626.  
  2627. the National Bank of Westminster,
  2628.  
  2629. and Coutts & Co., one of which is still live.
  2630. His daughter has it.
  2631.  
  2632. We have military records.
  2633.  
  2634. We have travel records from
  2635. Strauss, Downing and Associates.
  2636.  
  2637. His partner had an insurance company,
  2638.  
  2639. but for a guy who sold insurance
  2640. domestically,
  2641.  
  2642. why would he need to go to
  2643. Johannesburg; Hong Kong; London;
  2644.  
  2645. Kuala Lumpur; Seoul; Luanda, Angola;
  2646. the Jersey Islands
  2647.  
  2648. -- they do a lot of laundering in the
  2649. Jersey Islands off the British coast --
  2650.  
  2651. Casablanca; Madrid... and then I've got
  2652. five pages of travel records.
  2653.  
  2654. When Albert Carone died of chemical
  2655. toxicity of unknown etiology,
  2656.  
  2657. several things happened.
  2658.  
  2659. Every military record of
  2660. the guy disappeared.
  2661.  
  2662. His New York Police pension
  2663. disappeared.
  2664.  
  2665. His bank accounts disappeared.
  2666.  
  2667. His insurance policies disappeared.
  2668.  
  2669. His driver's license record
  2670. in New Mexico disappeared.
  2671.  
  2672. Every record of this man
  2673.  
  2674. was sanitized in the space
  2675. of three weeks.
  2676.  
  2677. His daughter, Dee Carone Ferdinand
  2678.  
  2679. -- whom I love dearly, and who is
  2680. one of my closest friends --
  2681.  
  2682. was left utterly broke and bankrupt:
  2683. wiped out.
  2684.  
  2685. She wrote to Pete Domenici's office
  2686. and sent a picture of this phtograph,
  2687.  
  2688. saying, "My father was a Colonel."
  2689.  
  2690. And the Army said,
  2691. "He was a Sergeant in World War II,"
  2692.  
  2693. and that's what they buried him as:
  2694. a Master Sergeant.
  2695.  
  2696. Pete Domenici's office called her back
  2697. and said, "He rented the uniform."
  2698.  
  2699. OK. All right, well, then we'll just have
  2700. to assume that twelve years earlier,
  2701.  
  2702. he rented a uniform as a Major.
  2703.  
  2704. With exactly the same decorations.
  2705. Hmm.
  2706.  
  2707. She really went to bat, because
  2708. everything was sanitized.
  2709.  
  2710. And she admits that her father
  2711. was not a good man,
  2712.  
  2713. but everything that he had left her
  2714. was wiped out,
  2715.  
  2716. and she lost probably $25-30,000
  2717. of her own money,
  2718.  
  2719. and she is dying to testify
  2720. before Congress.
  2721.  
  2722. I went out and met with her
  2723. in '94... '93, actually...
  2724.  
  2725. and gathered all this information, wrote
  2726. my report, talked to the doctors.
  2727.  
  2728. I mean, here's some of his diplomas
  2729. from Intelligence School,
  2730.  
  2731. and so on and so forth.
  2732.  
  2733. And he was flying a lot of...
  2734.  
  2735. he was involved with people flying drugs
  2736. in and out of Mid-Valley Airport.
  2737.  
  2738. and Mid-Valley is a counterpart to Mena.
  2739.  
  2740. The only reason why Mena is so popular
  2741. now is... two reasons:
  2742.  
  2743. because of the size and quanity of drugs,
  2744.  
  2745. and because it was Bill Clinton's state.
  2746.  
  2747. But there are many Menas in this country.
  2748.  
  2749. Don't confuse yourself here, folks.
  2750.  
  2751. Many Menas, everywhere, OK?
  2752.  
  2753. So, after doing all of this investigation,
  2754.  
  2755. photographing everything that I could,
  2756.  
  2757. I said to her, "Well, from my research
  2758. and all these years of study,"
  2759.  
  2760. "there's only one guy in the world that
  2761. I can think of that you need to talk to"
  2762.  
  2763. "who can help you do anything
  2764. about your father's case."
  2765.  
  2766. "His name is Ted Shackley."
  2767.  
  2768. By the way, did you know
  2769. that Ted Shackley,
  2770.  
  2771. when Oliver North ran for Senate,
  2772.  
  2773. was leasing Oliver North office space
  2774. for, like, five dollars a month?
  2775.  
  2776. No connection, no connection.
  2777.  
  2778. So, she finds a guy named
  2779. Robert Mayhew
  2780.  
  2781. who's living in New Mexico.
  2782.  
  2783. Mayhew puts her in touch
  2784. with Shackley.
  2785.  
  2786. Now, her father's buried, and the
  2787. headstone reads, "Staff Sergeant."
  2788.  
  2789. After three years of trying to get that
  2790. changed to "Colonel,"
  2791.  
  2792. she calls Ted Shackley.
  2793.  
  2794. Six weeks later, the headstone
  2795. says full Colonel.
  2796.  
  2797. We have before and after photographs.
  2798.  
  2799. We have a copy of the order
  2800. when she was...
  2801.  
  2802. she's an Italian from Brooklyn:
  2803. she stole it.
  2804.  
  2805. What can I tell you? (laughter)
  2806.  
  2807. We have a copy of the order
  2808. directing the change, OK?
  2809.  
  2810. No connection. No connection
  2811. whatsoever.
  2812.  
  2813. This case, if we pull this one,
  2814. we'll really pull it apart.
  2815.  
  2816. But how many cases like that are there?
  2817.  
  2818. There's dozens.
  2819.  
  2820. There's dozens and dozens
  2821. and dozens of cases.
  2822.  
  2823. I want to talk about one more case.
  2824.  
  2825. Anybody recognize this guy?
  2826.  
  2827. Colonel Jim Sabow.
  2828.  
  2829. Full Colonel, United States Marine Corps.
  2830.  
  2831. Chief of Air Operations,
  2832. El Toro Marine Air Station.
  2833.  
  2834. Murdered in 1991.
  2835.  
  2836. Now, what's significant about 1991?
  2837.  
  2838. The Cold War had been over for about
  2839. four years, three years.
  2840.  
  2841. Iran-Contra was over.
  2842.  
  2843. Why was he murdered?
  2844.  
  2845. This guy, by the way, was about
  2846. as straight-arrow as you can get.
  2847.  
  2848. Devout Roman Catholic. His wife
  2849. went to mass every day.
  2850.  
  2851. He went every day that he could.
  2852.  
  2853. The "family man of doom:"
  2854.  
  2855. the best family man you
  2856. could ever imagine.
  2857.  
  2858. Spotless Marine Corps record.
  2859.  
  2860. He caught C-130s flying onto El Toro
  2861. with thousand-kilo loads of cocaine.
  2862.  
  2863. His brother is one of the main speakers
  2864. at our rally on Saturday,
  2865.  
  2866. Doctor David Sabow.
  2867.  
  2868. Now, the Naval Investigative Service
  2869. said that he committed suicide.
  2870.  
  2871. Now, why did they say
  2872. he committed suicide?
  2873.  
  2874. Because he sent a bookcase to his son
  2875. on a military flight
  2876.  
  2877. that was flying empty from point A
  2878. to point B,
  2879.  
  2880. and they were gonna ruin his career
  2881. for that dishonor.
  2882.  
  2883. It happens all the time, folks!
  2884.  
  2885. If the space is empty anyway,
  2886. who cares?
  2887.  
  2888. And he says,
  2889. "You're not gonna do that to me!"
  2890.  
  2891. He was gonna blow the whistle.
  2892.  
  2893. But according to the Naval Investigative
  2894. Service and the Marine Corps,
  2895.  
  2896. Colonel Jim Sabow went out into his
  2897. back yard with a 12-gauge shotgun,
  2898.  
  2899. shoved it so hard into his mouth
  2900.  
  2901. that he sheared off the uvula
  2902. at the back of his throat
  2903.  
  2904. -- now, you know, if you're
  2905. gonna commit suicide,
  2906.  
  2907. why would you put yourself through
  2908. all that stuff just to commit suicide? --
  2909.  
  2910. The funny thing about the
  2911. Sabow murder case
  2912.  
  2913. is that he aspirated blood for ten minutes
  2914. after they said he blew his brians out.
  2915.  
  2916. Now, think about that for a minute, folks.
  2917.  
  2918. If you're dead, you're not breathing.
  2919.  
  2920. How can you aspirate blood
  2921. after you've killed yourself?
  2922.  
  2923. It's impossible.
  2924.  
  2925. They also found a deep skull fracture
  2926.  
  2927. on the back of the skull, right back here,
  2928.  
  2929. with a hematoma. You don't hematoma...
  2930.  
  2931. -- that doesn't sound like a...
  2932. it sounds like a dance --
  2933.  
  2934. you don't get hematomas if you're dead.
  2935.  
  2936. That's a result of the body
  2937. trying to heal itself
  2938.  
  2939. and fluid rushing to the wound.
  2940.  
  2941. Somebody knocked him out -- boom!
  2942.  
  2943. Let him lie on the ground for ten minutes
  2944. with a skull fracture, inhaling blood,
  2945.  
  2946. before they shoved a shotgun so hard
  2947. down his throat it sheared off his uvula.
  2948.  
  2949. OK?
  2950.  
  2951. This report contains the reports of
  2952. eight different forensic pathologists,
  2953.  
  2954. who have all said this man did not
  2955. commit suicide: he was murdered.
  2956.  
  2957. The brother, Dr. David Sabow,
  2958. is a medical doctor
  2959.  
  2960. who lives in South Dakota.
  2961.  
  2962. He's been fighting this case non-stop
  2963. since Jim was murdered.
  2964.  
  2965. And he's winning some cases.
  2966.  
  2967. His attorney now is Daniel Sheehan,
  2968.  
  2969. who people have many
  2970. mixed opinions about,
  2971.  
  2972. who was the head of the Christic Institute
  2973. back in the '80s,
  2974.  
  2975. but Danny's doing a good job
  2976. with this case.
  2977.  
  2978. What happened with the Marine Corps
  2979. and the Navy
  2980.  
  2981. as Dr. Sabow tried to fight this,
  2982.  
  2983. was there were some loyal Marines who
  2984. snuck out some records and some notes,
  2985.  
  2986. which said: "Get David Sabow."
  2987.  
  2988. The Marine Corps went after
  2989. his medical license,
  2990.  
  2991. saying that people should
  2992. do illegal things,
  2993.  
  2994. and of course that didn't go anywhere.
  2995.  
  2996. But they have the documented
  2997. records about a strategy
  2998.  
  2999. designed to make Dr. Sabow
  3000. lose his medical license.
  3001.  
  3002. They are trying to move ahead with trial,
  3003.  
  3004. and he just won a major decision in
  3005. the US Ninth Circuit here in California.
  3006.  
  3007. Not on the CIA issue,
  3008.  
  3009. but granting him broad discovery
  3010. to subpoena the military records
  3011.  
  3012. regarding the cocaine activities.
  3013. (applause)
  3014.  
  3015. Again, David Sabow will be one
  3016. of our speakers Saturday,
  3017.  
  3018. as weill Cele Castillo.
  3019.  
  3020. Mike Levine was supposed to come.
  3021.  
  3022. He wound up with a 102
  3023. temperature yesterday
  3024.  
  3025. after testifying for about
  3026. two weeks in San Diego
  3027.  
  3028. in a case where two agents
  3029. murdered a sailor down there,
  3030.  
  3031. and he's been ordered back
  3032. to New York to go to bed.
  3033.  
  3034. So we're going to miss Mike,
  3035. but he's here in spirit.
  3036.  
  3037. So I guess what I want
  3038. to say to you is this:
  3039.  
  3040. this is bigger than any of us think.
  3041.  
  3042. They've been flying in drugs
  3043. all over this country.
  3044.  
  3045. They've been dealing drugs to Americans
  3046. for 40 or 50 years.
  3047.  
  3048. But go back to the analogy that I gave
  3049. you before about the drunk on a binge.
  3050.  
  3051. OK? We can see that it's been getting
  3052. worse and worse and worse.
  3053.  
  3054. They have utterly corrupted
  3055. the criminal justice system.
  3056.  
  3057. When we have a guy like Stanley Sporkin
  3058.  
  3059. sitting on the US District Court
  3060. in Washington, DC...
  3061.  
  3062. Do you know who Stanley Sporkin is?
  3063.  
  3064. Retired Chief Counsel for the
  3065. Central Intelligence Agency.
  3066.  
  3067. He sits on the bench, on the
  3068. US District Court in Washington.
  3069.  
  3070. His email messages read:
  3071. "To Stanley from Ollie,"
  3072.  
  3073. during the Iran-Contra era.
  3074.  
  3075. You want to talk about a chokepoint
  3076. to control key cases?
  3077.  
  3078. I have spoken to people who used to work
  3079.  
  3080. for a company called eSystems in Texas.
  3081.  
  3082. I see old Bob going crazy over there
  3083. about eSystems.
  3084.  
  3085. Their children, one of them had
  3086. had her son murdered
  3087.  
  3088. because he discovered eSystems.
  3089.  
  3090. eSystems makes all the encryption
  3091. devices for the NSA and CIA.
  3092.  
  3093. There is not a secret that
  3094. the government has
  3095.  
  3096. that eSystems does not also have.
  3097.  
  3098. Sitting on the Board of Directors of
  3099. eSystems is Admiral William Raborn,
  3100.  
  3101. retired Director of Central Intelligence.
  3102.  
  3103. We have documented eSystems CIA flights
  3104.  
  3105. dropping massive loads of cocaine
  3106. into Lake Tawakoni,
  3107.  
  3108. landing at the eSystems airport
  3109. in Garland, Texas. OK?
  3110.  
  3111. There is proof. There is an
  3112. enormous amount of proof.
  3113.  
  3114. What do we do, OK?
  3115. What do we do, all right?
  3116.  
  3117. 20 years: I want to share with you
  3118. my experience, strength, and hope
  3119.  
  3120. having looked at this for 20 years,
  3121.  
  3122. being a graduate of Political Science
  3123. from UCLA,
  3124.  
  3125. having knocked on every door.
  3126.  
  3127. There isn't a thing you can think of
  3128. that I haven't tried, OK?
  3129.  
  3130. I'm gonna tell you what we do.
  3131.  
  3132. I'll tell you that...
  3133.  
  3134. there were times, for me, in the 20 years,
  3135. that I've had incredible depressions,
  3136.  
  3137. incredible heartache, incredible
  3138. disillusionment, utter hopelessness,
  3139.  
  3140. knowing that I was going to die
  3141. and never see a day of justice.
  3142.  
  3143. And I'll tell you, I think I'm beginning
  3144. to understand how a slave felt,
  3145.  
  3146. knowing that he was going to die
  3147.  
  3148. and that neither he nor his children
  3149. would have any hope of seeing freedom.
  3150.  
  3151. And there were times when I thought...
  3152.  
  3153. and I used to manage the largest gun
  3154. store in the state, B&B. (applause)
  3155.  
  3156. -- And I got so much good information
  3157. out of B&B!
  3158.  
  3159. Because we'd sell to all these Feds,
  3160. and they'd come in.
  3161.  
  3162. I'd say, "Yeah, come on back and shoot
  3163. this MP-5." And the guy would just
  3164.  
  3165. start blabbering all kinds of stuff to me.
  3166. It was wonderful! --
  3167.  
  3168. There were times when I wanted,
  3169. like others
  3170.  
  3171. -- and I will not criticize them --
  3172.  
  3173. to go to the hills.
  3174.  
  3175. I have no family. I've never had children.
  3176.  
  3177. I was told that if I ever had children,
  3178. they'd kill 'em.
  3179.  
  3180. And I thought about going to the hills
  3181. and giving up,
  3182.  
  3183. and waiting just for a chance
  3184. to go out fighting.
  3185.  
  3186. But I will tell you what I have
  3187. learned in 20 years:
  3188.  
  3189. that it takes more courage to stand up
  3190. and talk than it does to fight.
  3191.  
  3192. (applause)
  3193.  
  3194. What is happening now...
  3195.  
  3196. -- and in a minute or so, I'm going
  3197. to turn it over to Mike Novick
  3198.  
  3199. from the Crack the CIA Coalition --
  3200.  
  3201. what I see happening now is a potential
  3202. miracle of Biblical proportions.
  3203.  
  3204. I happen to believe in God.
  3205. I have a higher power.
  3206.  
  3207. I could not be sober 14 years otherwise.
  3208. (applause)
  3209.  
  3210. I do not believe that my God
  3211. has ordained, for me, suffering.
  3212.  
  3213. I don't believe that he has ordained
  3214. an Armageddon.
  3215.  
  3216. I don't believe that he has asked me
  3217. to do anything,
  3218.  
  3219. but to do the right thing in faith
  3220. one day at a time.
  3221.  
  3222. What's gonna happen Saturday
  3223. is that, in one sense,
  3224.  
  3225. the lion is going to lay down
  3226. with the lamb.
  3227.  
  3228. These people who are in the
  3229. Crack the CIA coalition
  3230.  
  3231. -- of which I have been a part, now,
  3232. for I guess about a month or so?
  3233.  
  3234. Six weeks? Whatever --
  3235.  
  3236. are people you would not ordinarily associate with.
  3237.  
  3238. On a daily basis, I work hand-in-hand
  3239. with a former Black Panther.
  3240.  
  3241. There are people from socialist
  3242. organizations,
  3243.  
  3244. and there are people from labor parties,
  3245.  
  3246. and there are black militants.
  3247.  
  3248. And there are Indians and Hispanics
  3249. and... Democrats! You know? (laughter)
  3250.  
  3251. And I want you to know something:
  3252.  
  3253. these people are standing up for you.
  3254.  
  3255. These people plan to go
  3256. to the street to say,
  3257.  
  3258. "CIA is dealing drugs, and it's wrong."
  3259.  
  3260. And they plan to stand up,
  3261.  
  3262. which is the most courageous
  3263. thing we can do
  3264.  
  3265. to go to the street and exercise
  3266. First Amendment rights.
  3267.  
  3268. And they're doing it for you, and me,
  3269. and the stockbrokers in New York,
  3270.  
  3271. and the rich housewives in Saint Louis.
  3272.  
  3273. And they're putting aside all of
  3274. their differences, saying,
  3275.  
  3276. "This is not about anything other
  3277. than right and wrong." (applause)
  3278.  
  3279. See, what the Agency, what the Shadow
  3280. Government has done for so long
  3281.  
  3282. is to pit us against each other:
  3283.  
  3284. black against white, against rich,
  3285. against poor,
  3286.  
  3287. against gay, against straight,
  3288. against cop...
  3289.  
  3290. We've been turned... you know,
  3291. and we react.
  3292.  
  3293. Last night I was on the show, KIEV,
  3294. and this guy calls in and goes,
  3295.  
  3296. "Well, it's the Communist conspiracy,"
  3297.  
  3298. "and you've got Tom Hayden
  3299. endorsing this, and... my God!"
  3300.  
  3301. And, "They're gonna start violence,
  3302. and it's the Communists taking..."
  3303.  
  3304. I said, "Wait a minute.
  3305. Hold it just a minute!"
  3306.  
  3307. "You know, sure, there were
  3308. Communists,"
  3309.  
  3310. "and they weren't good people."
  3311.  
  3312. "But how about the fact that we brought
  3313. all these Gestapo and SS"
  3314.  
  3315. "into our Special Forces and our
  3316. Central Intelligence Agency?"
  3317.  
  3318. "Those are Nazis!"
  3319.  
  3320. I said, "Why don't we just do this
  3321. like, 'I'm a cop.'"
  3322.  
  3323. "'I don't care what political party
  3324. a bad guy belongs to'"
  3325.  
  3326. "'I just want to make the arrest,
  3327. you know?'"
  3328.  
  3329. (applause)
  3330.  
  3331. If we can do what I'm hoping
  3332. we can do on Saturday,
  3333.  
  3334. we will have 10, 15,000 people
  3335. in the streets.
  3336.  
  3337. And I pray to God some of you are there.
  3338.  
  3339. And there are people coming from
  3340. various parts of the country,
  3341.  
  3342. and there are people
  3343. from the right as well.
  3344.  
  3345. And we can have a show of Americans
  3346.  
  3347. standing up in the street for
  3348. American rights,
  3349.  
  3350. So that when we do get justice,
  3351.  
  3352. everybody can go back to
  3353. doing their own thing.
  3354.  
  3355. But if we do not hang together,
  3356. we shall all surely hang separately. OK?
  3357.  
  3358. (applause)
  3359.  
  3360. We're trying to do something
  3361. which is really dangerous,
  3362.  
  3363. and if we pull it off, we're gonna
  3364. scare the bad guys to death.
  3365.  
  3366. We are gonna make a statement,
  3367.  
  3368. when they look through the crowd
  3369. and see who's there,
  3370.  
  3371. and see that we can pull this off
  3372.  
  3373. non-violently, peacefully, with
  3374. enthusiasm and cooperation.
  3375.  
  3376. This is something that hasn't been done.
  3377.  
  3378. It takes more courage to stand up
  3379. than it does to fight.
  3380.  
  3381. It takes more courage to talk
  3382. and to say "I believe,"
  3383.  
  3384. "And I am willing to say you are wrong."
  3385.  
  3386. Because we're afraid of the ostracism:
  3387.  
  3388. well, let's stand up together and see
  3389. if we can't change something.
  3390.  
  3391. I want to call upon Mike, and we'll
  3392. et him talk for a few minutes.
  3393.  
  3394. Then we'll take questions.
  3395.  
  3396. (applause)
  3397.  
  3398. (Michael Novick) Talk about
  3399. a tough act to follow.
  3400.  
  3401. That's a pretty amazing set of facts,
  3402.  
  3403. but really, the life that this
  3404. man has lived
  3405.  
  3406. to come to this momement and
  3407. be here with us,
  3408.  
  3409. I think is incredible.
  3410.  
  3411. And I really want to thank Mike
  3412. for his tremendous courage
  3413.  
  3414. and his openness to just deal with
  3415. the truth and the speak the truth
  3416.  
  3417. and the face the consequences of that.
  3418.  
  3419. And I think it's something
  3420. we all have to do.
  3421.  
  3422. And I am here, basically, tonight,
  3423.  
  3424. to tell you a little bit about the
  3425. Crack the CIA Coalition,
  3426.  
  3427. and about the demonstration.
  3428.  
  3429. There are flyers here, and we'd like
  3430. to urge you to take some flyers
  3431.  
  3432. and pass them out in the next day or two
  3433. to bring people.
  3434.  
  3435. We want this to be as massive
  3436. and as broad
  3437.  
  3438. and as open and as democratic a
  3439. demonstration as it's possible to have.
  3440.  
  3441. We have a set of principles of unity,
  3442.  
  3443. and the principles are that
  3444. we are opposed
  3445.  
  3446. to the crimes that the CIA
  3447. has committed
  3448.  
  3449. against the people of this country
  3450.  
  3451. and against other people
  3452. around the world,
  3453.  
  3454. and I think one of the things
  3455.  
  3456. that has become very clear to us
  3457. in doing this work
  3458.  
  3459. is that it's impossible to protect
  3460. ourselves, somehow
  3461.  
  3462. by the use of agencies like the CIA.
  3463.  
  3464. Because the crimes that they carry out,
  3465. supposedly, in our name,
  3466.  
  3467. somehow to protect the
  3468. American way of life,
  3469.  
  3470. are crimes committed against us
  3471. every single day.
  3472.  
  3473. And that the crimes they committed
  3474. in Nicaragua,
  3475.  
  3476. and the crimes they committed
  3477. in other parts of the world
  3478.  
  3479. inevitably are going to affect us.
  3480.  
  3481. And we see the destruction they've
  3482. created, the devastation,
  3483.  
  3484. not only in South-Central Los Angeles,
  3485.  
  3486. but in every village and hamlet
  3487. in this country.
  3488.  
  3489. And crack is not something,
  3490. now, they thought
  3491.  
  3492. that they could dump in one community
  3493. and somehow destroy that community
  3494.  
  3495. and not have it spread out
  3496. throughout the society.
  3497.  
  3498. So we're seeing the tremendous
  3499. connections between what's going on.
  3500.  
  3501. And people here, I know, have
  3502. no love for Bill Clinton, I'm sure.
  3503.  
  3504. And I think it's important to understand
  3505. that the people in this coalition
  3506.  
  3507. are not in any way part of the coalition
  3508. that Bill Clinton represents.
  3509.  
  3510. The people in this coalition
  3511. are a coalition
  3512.  
  3513. of forces trying to claim their
  3514. humanity, defend themselves,
  3515.  
  3516. to recognize the need for solidarity
  3517. to deal with this.
  3518.  
  3519. And I've been on talk radio,
  3520. and I used that word once,
  3521.  
  3522. and somebody said, "When I hear that
  3523. word, solidarity, I wanna lock and load."
  3524.  
  3525. (laughter)
  3526.  
  3527. But I'm telling you that that's
  3528. what you need.
  3529.  
  3530. That if you want to deal with the CIA,
  3531.  
  3532. if you want to deal with Bill Clinton,
  3533.  
  3534. you have to recognize what they're about.
  3535.  
  3536. And they're about an empire.
  3537.  
  3538. And the problem with Bill Clinton is
  3539. not whether you think he's a socialist
  3540.  
  3541. or you think he's a moderate,
  3542.  
  3543. or you think he's this or that.
  3544.  
  3545. Bill Clinton is an emperor,
  3546.  
  3547. and that's the problem with Bill Clinton.
  3548.  
  3549. And Bill Clinton wants you
  3550. to be subjects of his empire.
  3551.  
  3552. And if you want to have any other status
  3553. than as a subject of that empire,
  3554.  
  3555. then you have to stand with the former
  3556. Black Panthers in this coalition,
  3557.  
  3558. and you have to stand up on Saturday
  3559.  
  3560. and say that Bill Clinton and the CIA are
  3561. not committing these crimes your names
  3562.  
  3563. or in our names,
  3564.  
  3565. and if we want to protect ourselves
  3566. from those criminals,
  3567.  
  3568. we have to take action with all the
  3569. good people of South Central,
  3570.  
  3571. the good people of East Los Angeles,
  3572.  
  3573. the good people of the San Fernando
  3574. Valley have to stand up together,
  3575.  
  3576. and say, "We want a different
  3577. and a better world together."
  3578.  
  3579. So I would like to urge you
  3580. to come out on Saturday.
  3581.  
  3582. I would also like to urge you, if you
  3583. have some funds to make available,
  3584.  
  3585. I know that you all have your own needs
  3586. and demands,
  3587.  
  3588. but as a representative of this coalition,
  3589.  
  3590. I'd like to give you the address
  3591. for a moment.
  3592.  
  3593. We have a PO Box.
  3594.  
  3595. it's the Crack the CIA Coalition,
  3596.  
  3597. and it's PO Box 191601,
  3598.  
  3599. Los Angeles, California, 90019.
  3600.  
  3601. We've been fronting out money to
  3602. bring Cele Castillo to Los Angeles,
  3603.  
  3604. to bring Dr. David Sabow from
  3605. South Dakota to Los Angeles,
  3606.  
  3607. to bring documentation information
  3608.  
  3609. and to put on this demonstration,
  3610.  
  3611. and so we want you definitely
  3612. to come out and support.
  3613.  
  3614. We want you to be a part
  3615. of this process.
  3616.  
  3617. We are not stopping with the
  3618. demonstration tomorrow.
  3619.  
  3620. The demonstration tomorrow
  3621. is the beginning.
  3622.  
  3623. We are co-sponsoring on March 15th
  3624.  
  3625. -- and everyone here is certainly
  3626. welcome to come --
  3627.  
  3628. a teach-in on all of this material
  3629.  
  3630. at Fairfax High School in the
  3631. city of Los Angeles.
  3632.  
  3633. That will be beginning, I believe,
  3634. at eleven o'clock on March 15th,
  3635.  
  3636. which is a Saturday in
  3637. about three weeks.
  3638.  
  3639. We're gonna be having
  3640. Peter Dale Scott,
  3641.  
  3642. the author of the books that
  3643. Mike Ruppert mentioned,
  3644.  
  3645. the Cocaine Politics.
  3646.  
  3647. We're gonna be having
  3648. Dr. Alfred McCoy,
  3649.  
  3650. the author of the leading
  3651. book on this,
  3652.  
  3653. what he referred as "the Bible."
  3654.  
  3655. And all of this effort is the effort
  3656.  
  3657. to expose these truths and these
  3658. realities to all of you
  3659.  
  3660. and to the rest of us,
  3661. to educate ourselves,
  3662.  
  3663. to mobilize ourselves and to support
  3664. each other in this movement.
  3665.  
  3666. And that's what it's going to take.
  3667.  
  3668. It's going to take a movement to resist,
  3669.  
  3670. to counter the lies,
  3671.  
  3672. and to expose ourselves
  3673. to some truth that...
  3674.  
  3675. people here certainly understand
  3676. what's disseminated in the media
  3677.  
  3678. bears very little relation to reality.
  3679.  
  3680. but you might want to re-think
  3681. some of the things
  3682.  
  3683. that you have absorbed from
  3684. those same media,
  3685.  
  3686. criminalizing and castigating and
  3687. demonizing people on the left
  3688.  
  3689. who might have something to share
  3690. and something to offer you.
  3691.  
  3692. Demonizing people who have stood up:
  3693.  
  3694. there's a man named Michael Zinzun,
  3695. for example,
  3696.  
  3697. who is involved with the gang truce,
  3698.  
  3699. a former Black Panther. Not closely
  3700. involved in this coalition,
  3701.  
  3702. but he is somebody who... files
  3703. were taken out of the LAPD
  3704.  
  3705. to prevent him from running for
  3706. the City Council in Pasadena.
  3707.  
  3708. These crimes go on and on and on,
  3709.  
  3710. and they will not be stopped unless
  3711. people stand up and say, "No more."
  3712.  
  3713. So we're trying to do that on one
  3714. particular day,
  3715.  
  3716. but in a very long-term way.
  3717.  
  3718. And we're happy to dialogue
  3719. about these things.
  3720.  
  3721. And I think you for the time.
  3722.  
  3723. I thank Michael for his tremendous
  3724. presentation,
  3725.  
  3726. and I think we owe him a
  3727. tremendous debt of gratitude.
  3728.  
  3729. (applause)
  3730.  
  3731. OK, we're gonna have questions.
  3732.  
  3733. Questions from the back of the room.
  3734.  
  3735. So those of you who have questions
  3736.  
  3737. Mike will be glad to try
  3738. and answer for you.
  3739.  
  3740. So please feel free to...
  3741.  
  3742. I'm sorry, the leaflet actually
  3743. (xx) asked:
  3744.  
  3745. Twelve Noon at City Hall,
  3746. Downtown Los Angeles,
  3747.  
  3748. First and Spring Street.
  3749.  
  3750. We'll be marching from there
  3751. to the LA Times,
  3752.  
  3753. to the Los Angeles Federal Building,
  3754.  
  3755. and then back for a rally at City Hall.
  3756.  
  3757. (inaudible off-mic)
  3758.  
  3759. We have a permit. We obtained a permit.
  3760.  
  3761. We are marching with police
  3762. at a distance,
  3763.  
  3764. But it's a complely legal march;
  3765.  
  3766. it's a completely non-violent march.
  3767.  
  3768. We're there to express these truths
  3769.  
  3770. and to take a stand on these issues.
  3771.  
  3772. (Woman) Mr. Ruppert?
  3773.  
  3774. Yes.
  3775.  
  3776. (Woman) You mentioned the
  3777. Secret Government.
  3778.  
  3779. (Woman) Do you see the CIA
  3780. as the ultimate executive?
  3781.  
  3782. (Woman) Or who is the ultimate executive
  3783. behind the wrongdoing we see?
  3784.  
  3785. I tend to be, when I answer... well,
  3786. I'm always asked this question.
  3787.  
  3788. And I tend to.. I try to be
  3789. fairly conservative,
  3790.  
  3791. because I try to approach this
  3792. as a detective
  3793.  
  3794. and answer with evidence that I have.
  3795.  
  3796. If you'll recall, I mentioned Paul Jabber,
  3797. the UCLA Political Science professor?
  3798.  
  3799. Shortly after I met with him,
  3800. he left UCLA
  3801.  
  3802. to become Vice-President
  3803. of Banker's Trust
  3804.  
  3805. He took over as Chair of the
  3806. Middle East Department
  3807.  
  3808. of the Council on Foreign Relations.
  3809.  
  3810. That's where I see a lot of this going.
  3811.  
  3812. The more I try, logically, as a detective,
  3813.  
  3814. using intuitive inductive logic
  3815. to get to the bottom of this,
  3816.  
  3817. I come to banks. that's where I come.
  3818.  
  3819. I come to banks.
  3820.  
  3821. And of course, most of the banks
  3822. are foreign-owned.
  3823.  
  3824. Especially...
  3825.  
  3826. (Man off-mic) Follow the money.
  3827.  
  3828. Follow the money. That's the bottom line.
  3829.  
  3830. (Woman) Do you know if Brian Quaig
  3831. (sp) is all right? I assume you know him?
  3832.  
  3833. Who?
  3834.  
  3835. (Woman) Brian Quaig of Phoenix?
  3836. He's the one with the Internet site
  3837.  
  3838. with all of the material that you have
  3839. been speaking about this evening?
  3840.  
  3841. Yeah, I'm not familiar with him.
  3842.  
  3843. (Woman) Oh, you don't know him?
  3844.  
  3845. No.
  3846.  
  3847. (Woman) The book, LA's Secret Police,
  3848.  
  3849. Mike Rothmiller
  3850.  
  3851. (Woman) Is that fairly accurate?
  3852.  
  3853. Yes, I know Mike Rothmiller.
  3854.  
  3855. And what's interesting about that is that
  3856. Mike touched on a couple of things.
  3857.  
  3858. LAPD has been heavily, heavily
  3859. infiltrated by CIA for a long time.
  3860.  
  3861. Bill Parker, who was a
  3862. legendary Chief here,
  3863.  
  3864. hated the FBI.
  3865.  
  3866. And he invited CIA lock, stock, and barrel
  3867. to come in to LAPD.
  3868.  
  3869. And there are documented cases
  3870. during the Iran-Contra era
  3871.  
  3872. of one detective named Hamilton,
  3873.  
  3874. of Organized Crime Intelligence,
  3875. coming off an airplane
  3876.  
  3877. with the Mexico City Chief of Police
  3878. Arturo Durazo
  3879.  
  3880. -- who was under indictment
  3881. for drug corruption --
  3882.  
  3883. from The Bahamas.
  3884.  
  3885. What's an LAPD detective doing with
  3886. the Mexico City Chief of Police
  3887.  
  3888. on a flight from The Bahamas?
  3889.  
  3890. Daryl Gates made a statement in 1992
  3891.  
  3892. that the only position he would
  3893. consider in a second Bush term
  3894.  
  3895. would be Director of Central Intelligence.
  3896.  
  3897. My question for Daryl is: what
  3898. are your qualifications?
  3899.  
  3900. Mike Rothmiller's book is good.
  3901.  
  3902. He kind of stopped short
  3903. of some other things,
  3904.  
  3905. but he and I have spoken
  3906. many, many times.
  3907.  
  3908. So, yes, it's a good book.
  3909.  
  3910. (Man) Yes: I wonder what your opinion is
  3911. of the...
  3912.  
  3913. (Man) -- I haven't heard you mention this,
  3914. and I'm wondering why --
  3915.  
  3916. (Man) the... kind of pulls the rug out
  3917.  
  3918. (Man) of all the law enforcement agencies
  3919. around the country,
  3920.  
  3921. (Man) and has been advocated by the...
  3922.  
  3923. (Man) many judges, and many doctors,
  3924. and Jocelyn Elder,
  3925.  
  3926. (Man) and... is... the answer is the
  3927. legalization of drugs.
  3928.  
  3929. (Man) And, when... a lot of people here
  3930. might not understand:
  3931.  
  3932. (Man) what I mean by this, is that I'm not
  3933. advocating the use of drugs;
  3934.  
  3935. (Man) but by the legalization of drugs,
  3936.  
  3937. (Man) we're talking about many solutions
  3938. for many problems,
  3939.  
  3940. (Man) in that many people, billions of dollars
  3941.  
  3942. (Man) that are spent chasing down criminals
  3943. are freed up,
  3944.  
  3945. (Man) and that many crimes committed
  3946. by these so-called druggies
  3947.  
  3948. (Man) aren't committed because
  3949. it's legally gotten.
  3950.  
  3951. (Man) I was just wondering what your opinion...
  3952.  
  3953. (Man) I mean, it's just a simple solution
  3954. for a whole lot of problems,
  3955.  
  3956. (Man) and I'm hoping everyone here
  3957. thinks on this for a while,
  3958.  
  3959. (Man) because it is the awesome
  3960. solution for
  3961.  
  3962. (Man) a whole lot of awesome problems.
  3963.  
  3964. (Michael) I have thought about this a lot,
  3965. and I will say that as a cop,
  3966.  
  3967. what really makes me feel good
  3968. is when I hurt the bad guys.
  3969.  
  3970. I'm sorry, that's the way
  3971. I feel in my gut.
  3972.  
  3973. The way we hurt the bootleggers
  3974. was to legalize alcohol.
  3975.  
  3976. I do not advocate, necessarily,
  3977. legalizing drugs, but
  3978.  
  3979. maybe in certain cases decriminalizing
  3980. drugs might be an answer.
  3981.  
  3982. However, we're dealing with
  3983. a situation, historically,
  3984.  
  3985. the British in the 1800s established their
  3986. whole economy on a trilateral trade:
  3987.  
  3988. growing opium in India, selling it
  3989. to the Chinese, getting silk,
  3990.  
  3991. taking it back to Britain,
  3992. and making textiles.
  3993.  
  3994. And that set up the cash flow of the
  3995. British economy. That's the model.
  3996.  
  3997. The different is, now, that we're
  3998. poisoning ourselves.
  3999.  
  4000. Which is really ugly, OK?
  4001.  
  4002. But there was a report
  4003.  
  4004. -- which I have not seen, but several
  4005. Congressional staffers who I know...
  4006.  
  4007. and Bob, if he's still here,
  4008. probably knows it, too --
  4009.  
  4010. prepared by the House Banking
  4011. Committee chaired by Henry Gonzales,
  4012.  
  4013. which said something like if all
  4014. the drug money were withdrawn,
  4015.  
  4016. the eight largest banks in the Western
  4017. Hemisphere would collapse.
  4018.  
  4019. That would create a depression
  4020.  
  4021. the likes of which this country
  4022. has never seen before.
  4023.  
  4024. So we have to use some thought in,
  4025. really, how we approach the problem.
  4026.  
  4027. So, anyway...
  4028.  
  4029. (Man) Yes: The problem is not the CIA;
  4030.  
  4031. (Man) The problem is organized crime,
  4032. the Democrat and Republican Party,
  4033.  
  4034. (Man) and the real problem is that
  4035. we do not have a policy
  4036.  
  4037. (Man) of putting the cocaine cartel
  4038. out of business
  4039.  
  4040. (Man) and destroying the cocaine cartel.
  4041.  
  4042. (Man) Instead, you're destroying
  4043. the American people.
  4044.  
  4045. (Man) My question is, why aren't you
  4046. putting the blame
  4047.  
  4048. (Man) on the Democrat and Republican
  4049. Party and organized crime,
  4050.  
  4051. (Man) and why aren't you pointing
  4052. out that we have no policy
  4053.  
  4054. (Man) to destroy the cocaine cartel?
  4055.  
  4056. (Man) That's what you should be using
  4057. the opportunity Saturday morning for.
  4058.  
  4059. I just was pointing out about a guy
  4060. with a phone book
  4061.  
  4062. with Paulie Castellano and all that,
  4063.  
  4064. so I think I was talking about
  4065. organized crime. Yes?
  4066.  
  4067. (Woman) Yes. Last night on Peter Ford's
  4068. show, you mentioned
  4069.  
  4070. (Woman) that you'd sent the material to
  4071. Ross Perot, and he had called you twice,
  4072.  
  4073. (Woman) but I don't know what he said.
  4074.  
  4075. (Woman) Can you elaborate a little more
  4076. on that conversation?
  4077.  
  4078. Yeah. And, again, from the
  4079. Los Angeles Times,
  4080.  
  4081. This is what I do when I'm around the press.
  4082.  
  4083. I've been published in the
  4084. Los Angeles Times.
  4085.  
  4086. I don't say anything unless I have it
  4087. right in my hand to back it up.
  4088.  
  4089. The Los Angeles Times ran this story
  4090. in 1987, January, about Ross Perot
  4091.  
  4092. backing Richard Armitage into a corner.
  4093.  
  4094. If anybody knows Richard Armitage,
  4095. he's 6'4" and benchpresses 430 pounds.
  4096.  
  4097. And this short little floppy-eared Texan
  4098. with a big nose
  4099.  
  4100. got him in a hallway in the Pentagon
  4101. and backed him into a corner.
  4102.  
  4103. And the issue was CIA dealing drugs,
  4104. Armitage's involvement,
  4105.  
  4106. and the POWs connected in Laos
  4107. who were left behind.
  4108.  
  4109. (Man) Oh, yeah! (brief applause)
  4110.  
  4111. Ross Perot was sent to go see
  4112. Vice-President George Bush.
  4113.  
  4114. And Bush said, "Go see the FBI," and
  4115. threw him out of the White House.
  4116.  
  4117. Ross Perot cost Bush the
  4118. 1992 election, OK?
  4119.  
  4120. Now, I wrote to Ross Perot in 1990,
  4121.  
  4122. and I sent him all the stuff and my
  4123. stories and everything,
  4124.  
  4125. and one day the phone rings,
  4126. and it goes,
  4127.  
  4128. (Ross Perot Impression): "Mr. Ruppert?
  4129. This is Ross Perot. How are yeh?"
  4130.  
  4131. And I'm going, "Jesus!" You know?
  4132.  
  4133. And I just came out of my chair that
  4134. it was him. (laughter)
  4135.  
  4136. And said, "I want you to know that I've
  4137. read every word that you have sent me,"
  4138.  
  4139. "And no one has pursued this longer
  4140. or harder than you have."
  4141.  
  4142. "You should give it up." (laughter)
  4143.  
  4144. He said, "I must know 20 or 30
  4145. former military officers"
  4146.  
  4147. "and law enforcement officers who
  4148. discovered the same thing,"
  4149.  
  4150. "and they all had their careers ruined,
  4151. their lives ruined."
  4152.  
  4153. "They do the same thing to everybody"
  4154.  
  4155. "You'd think they'd try
  4156. something different."
  4157.  
  4158. I do a pretty good Ross Perot
  4159. after all this time.
  4160.  
  4161. And he said, "But they don't
  4162. because it works."
  4163.  
  4164. And then Ross Perot said to me,
  4165.  
  4166. "Mike, even with all of my resources,"
  4167.  
  4168. "I don't know why I pursue it:
  4169. I can't get anywhere."
  4170.  
  4171. The answer is people in the street.
  4172.  
  4173. The answer is people standing up
  4174. together expressing their will, OK?
  4175.  
  4176. Now, I'll tell you a little secret:
  4177.  
  4178. I was the press spokesman for
  4179. the Perot movement in '92
  4180.  
  4181. here in Los Angeles County.
  4182.  
  4183. Now, I've parted ways with Ross just
  4184. because of the way he pulled out,
  4185.  
  4186. and I'm not gonna go into that now.
  4187.  
  4188. But what I saw in 1992, we had
  4189. a little headquarters
  4190.  
  4191. on Ventura Boulevard in Sherman Oaks.
  4192.  
  4193. We had a list of 15,000 names of people
  4194. who wanted to volunteer:
  4195.  
  4196. people who had never voted before
  4197. in their lives;
  4198.  
  4199. people who had never held any hope
  4200. that there was any way that their voice
  4201.  
  4202. could be heard in this country.
  4203.  
  4204. And what Ross Perot did was to tap
  4205. into that wellspring of disconcent
  4206.  
  4207. which is lying just beneath the surface
  4208. in this country.
  4209.  
  4210. And that's what we're trying to do with
  4211. this rally and with this demonstration.
  4212.  
  4213. It's there.
  4214.  
  4215. We want to reach that critical mass,
  4216.  
  4217. so that the people who know, or suspect,
  4218.  
  4219. or just feel in their gut that something's
  4220. wrong will come forward.
  4221.  
  4222. (Man) Mr. Ruppert, I hope that
  4223. I'm not going over
  4224.  
  4225. (Man) something that you already
  4226. covered; but I came in late tonight.
  4227.  
  4228. (Man) Daryl Gates made a statement
  4229. that he was part of the CIA.
  4230.  
  4231. (Man) Did you cover that, or do
  4232. you know? And if so, what was his job,
  4233.  
  4234. (Man) or what was he doing?
  4235.  
  4236. In 1962, I believe it was,
  4237.  
  4238. Daryl Gates was Captain of LAPD's
  4239. Intelligence Division,
  4240.  
  4241. and there's a well-respected author
  4242. named Bill Turner,
  4243.  
  4244. who's a former FBI agent who's
  4245. written a number of books.
  4246.  
  4247. And he describes this incident where
  4248. a guy named Dennis Mauer (sp)
  4249.  
  4250. was out with a bunch of right-wing paramiltary guys
  4251.  
  4252. in the desert way north of Lancaster.
  4253.  
  4254. And they were throwing
  4255. hand grenades around,
  4256.  
  4257. and shooting machine guns,
  4258. and having fun.
  4259.  
  4260. And up rose Captain Daryl Gates
  4261. of LAPD's Intelligence Division,
  4262.  
  4263. way out of his jurisdiction, and says,
  4264. "Knock it off!"
  4265.  
  4266. And they said to Daryl Gates,
  4267. "Well, it's OK."
  4268.  
  4269. "CIA told us we could be here.
  4270. They gave us the stuff.'
  4271.  
  4272. And he said, "Screw you!"
  4273. "I am CIA, and I'm telling you to stop!"
  4274.  
  4275. Well, there was an undercover
  4276. Long Beach policeman in that group
  4277.  
  4278. who wrote a report which
  4279. made it into the file.
  4280.  
  4281. So that was the answer to that question,.
  4282.  
  4283. (Man) Mr. Ruppert?
  4284.  
  4285. Yes.
  4286.  
  4287. (Man) I wonder if you could comment
  4288. on reports that I have heard
  4289.  
  4290. (Man) that a great deal of the money
  4291. funding, and indeed creating,
  4292.  
  4293. (Man) National Coalition
  4294. to Ban Handguns,
  4295.  
  4296. (Man) Handgun Control, Incorporated,
  4297. and various other activist groups
  4298.  
  4299. (Man) and individuals in the
  4300. gun-grabbing, anti-Constitutional
  4301.  
  4302. (Man) so-called gun control movement,
  4303. actually has its souce
  4304.  
  4305. (Man) in CIA-affiliated and CIA front
  4306. organizations,
  4307.  
  4308. (Man) as part of a calculated program
  4309. to disarm the American people.
  4310.  
  4311. I have not seen any direct
  4312. evidence of that,
  4313.  
  4314. but I fall back on the old line:
  4315.  
  4316. "If it walks like a duck and it
  4317. quacks like a duck,"
  4318.  
  4319. "and there's duck feathers everywhere,
  4320. then we've probably got a duck."
  4321.  
  4322. One of the things I study a lot is
  4323. something called the Hegelian Dialectic,
  4324.  
  4325. which says you create a problem,
  4326.  
  4327. and then you solve the problem,
  4328.  
  4329. and in solving the problem,
  4330. you get the end result
  4331.  
  4332. that you were after to begin with.
  4333.  
  4334. (Man) (inaudible)
  4335.  
  4336. Nobody can dispute...
  4337.  
  4338. (Man) (inaudible)
  4339.  
  4340. Nobody can dispute the fact that
  4341. we have seen utterly repressive laws,
  4342.  
  4343. especially vis-a-vis asset forfeiture,
  4344.  
  4345. being imposed up on us:
  4346.  
  4347. laws which begin to scare me.
  4348.  
  4349. And I have interviewed a guy
  4350. whose father
  4351.  
  4352. was a high-ranking official
  4353. in the Abwehr,
  4354.  
  4355. which was Adolph Hitler's intelligence
  4356. service, who was... his grandfather.
  4357.  
  4358. And he used to tell his grandson
  4359.  
  4360. -- who is now a very good
  4361. friend of mine --
  4362.  
  4363. (German accent) "We didn't lose
  4364. the Second World War;"
  4365.  
  4366. "we just changed venues."
  4367.  
  4368. OK? So it's beginning to sound
  4369. like that here, yes. (applause)
  4370.  
  4371. (Man) Yes, Mr. Ruppert: you mentioned
  4372. earlier that our economy
  4373.  
  4374. (Man) has become hooked on drugs.
  4375.  
  4376. (Man) I wonder to what degree
  4377. our major political parties
  4378.  
  4379. (Man) have become hooked as well.
  4380.  
  4381. (Man) How much drug money has flowed
  4382.  
  4383. (Man) into campaign contributions,
  4384. do you think?
  4385.  
  4386. Again, I don't have any direct
  4387. information on that;
  4388.  
  4389. and I really only answer stuff
  4390. that I know directly.
  4391.  
  4392. But there is so much drug money...
  4393.  
  4394. I mean, if you look at what
  4395. happened in Mena,
  4396.  
  4397. there are two retired
  4398. Army CID investigators,
  4399.  
  4400. of which Gene Wheaton is very public
  4401. -- and I known Gene well --
  4402.  
  4403. who estimate the amount of drug
  4404. money flowing through Mena
  4405.  
  4406. at $40 million a month,
  4407.  
  4408. and through the Arkansas Development
  4409. Financial Authority
  4410.  
  4411. -- which is what made Bill Clinton
  4412. a hero in the state of Arkansas.
  4413.  
  4414. So, yeah: it's probably there.
  4415.  
  4416. (Man) Mr. Ruppert, I want to congratulate
  4417. you on your courage, sir.
  4418.  
  4419. (Man) And I wanted to ask you if you had
  4420. any assistance from Officer Rothmiller
  4421.  
  4422. (Man) who wrote the book LA Secret
  4423. Intelligence [sic] Police?
  4424.  
  4425. I just said a few minutes ago:
  4426. I know Mike.
  4427.  
  4428. We have spoken many times
  4429. over the years.
  4430.  
  4431. (Man) Yes, sir.
  4432.  
  4433. We share a lot of views; his book's
  4434. a good book.
  4435.  
  4436. He and I actually worked patrol in
  4437. Wilshire Division at the same time.
  4438.  
  4439. So, yeah.
  4440.  
  4441. (Man) Hey, there. I don't know if want
  4442. to rub elbows with Tom Hayden,
  4443.  
  4444. (Man) but I'll take it on your world that
  4445. it's a good thing, the march.
  4446.  
  4447. (Man) I have one question:
  4448. do you know what happened
  4449.  
  4450. (Man) to former CIA director Colby?
  4451. He supposedly died mysteriously?
  4452.  
  4453. Well...
  4454.  
  4455. (Man) (xx)
  4456.  
  4457. My attorney called me up the
  4458. day they found his body
  4459.  
  4460. and wanted to make sure
  4461. I had an alibi. (laughter)
  4462.  
  4463. No, I don't know personally.
  4464. I've just received
  4465.  
  4466. an updated copy of
  4467. The Franklin Cover-Up,
  4468.  
  4469. which contains some very disturbing
  4470. questions about Bill Colby's death.
  4471.  
  4472. But I don't have any direct knowledge;
  4473. but who knows?
  4474.  
  4475. (Man) I have two questions.
  4476. Your bravery is astounding,
  4477.  
  4478. (Man) the past 20, 25 years
  4479. of your investigation.
  4480.  
  4481. (Man) Is your life still in danger today,
  4482.  
  4483. (Man) and is there any contracts
  4484. out on your life?
  4485.  
  4486. (Man) And secondly, what is
  4487. the whole purpose of the rally,
  4488.  
  4489. (Man) and how are we going to bring
  4490. all these people to justice in the end?
  4491.  
  4492. OK. First of all, no, I wouldn't know
  4493. if there was a contract out on me.
  4494.  
  4495. I haven't been shot at for a long time.
  4496. I'm fairly well-known now,
  4497.  
  4498. and they tend not to kill people
  4499. who are fairly well-known.
  4500.  
  4501. The problem is you can
  4502. get so well-known
  4503.  
  4504. it doesn't make any difference, too: with
  4505. Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy,
  4506.  
  4507. et cetera, et cetera.
  4508.  
  4509. But I'm nowhere near that big yet,
  4510. so I think I'm safe for a while.
  4511.  
  4512. As for what we're trying to do
  4513. and how we're trying to do it,
  4514.  
  4515. I am relieved of having to answer that
  4516. question. Again, what I have come to
  4517.  
  4518. from a spiritual and a constitutional
  4519. and an American standpoint,
  4520.  
  4521. is that my job is to do the right thing,
  4522.  
  4523. and to leave the results to a
  4524. power greater than myself.
  4525.  
  4526. (applause)
  4527.  
  4528. The only sin that I'm aware of
  4529. is not standing up.
  4530.  
  4531. That's the sin that I'm aware of.
  4532. Yes, sir.
  4533.  
  4534. (Man) I think it rather paradoxical
  4535. that there's enough evidence
  4536.  
  4537. (Man) against Mr. Clinton and
  4538. his administration
  4539.  
  4540. (Man) to put most of them in prison.
  4541. My question is,
  4542.  
  4543. (Man) how intrusive... has drugs become
  4544. part of the operation in Washington, DC
  4545.  
  4546. (Man) amongst the Congressmen,
  4547. the Senators?
  4548.  
  4549. (Man) And why is it we don't have
  4550. one person
  4551.  
  4552. (Man) who will stand up and initiate
  4553. impeachment proceedings
  4554.  
  4555. (Man) on this scum that we
  4556. have in the office?
  4557.  
  4558. (Maen) Now, does drugs have
  4559. an affect here?
  4560.  
  4561. (Man) And why is it we're not
  4562. getting anything done?
  4563.  
  4564. (Man) All investigation and
  4565. no prosecution?
  4566.  
  4567. Drugs have an effect everywhere.
  4568.  
  4569. In the Cutolo Watchtower affidavits,
  4570.  
  4571. there's a story of one Congressman
  4572. named Larkin Smith
  4573.  
  4574. who tried to stand up; who was looking
  4575. into the Tyree murder case.
  4576.  
  4577. He was flying on an investigation when
  4578. his plane crashed and he was killed.
  4579.  
  4580. Hale Boggs...
  4581.  
  4582. They kill Congressmen; they can kill
  4583. Presidents.
  4584.  
  4585. Maxine Waters walks a fine line.
  4586.  
  4587. She is a Democrat, a member of the
  4588. minority party.
  4589.  
  4590. She doesn't chair any committees.
  4591.  
  4592. She is Chairwoman of the
  4593. Black Caucus, yes,
  4594.  
  4595. but she alone as a member of Congress
  4596. doesn't have the power to stand up.
  4597.  
  4598. I'm gonna make it very clear
  4599. in my speech Saturday
  4600.  
  4601. that where the people lead,
  4602. Congress will follow.
  4603.  
  4604. We have got the cart before the horse.
  4605.  
  4606. We can't expect anybody to do for us
  4607.  
  4608. what we will not demand that
  4609. they do by ourselves, OK?
  4610.  
  4611. We have to stand up together.
  4612. Congress ain't gonna listen until we do.
  4613.  
  4614. Yes, ma'am.
  4615.  
  4616. (Woman) Yes, thank you very much,
  4617. Mr. Ruppert.
  4618.  
  4619. (Woman) It is very clear to me that you're
  4620. a very holy man, and you are totally
  4621.  
  4622. (Woman) surrounded and protected
  4623. by the love of God wherever you go.
  4624.  
  4625. (Woman) And I particularly like the
  4626. way you said,
  4627.  
  4628. (Woman) "Do you ever get a feeling that
  4629. God is following you with this stuff?"
  4630.  
  4631. (Woman) I love it. Thank you very much.
  4632. I do have a question:
  4633.  
  4634. (Woman) It's very clear to me that it's
  4635. AAA: All About Addiction.
  4636.  
  4637. (Woman) There's no easier way
  4638. -- is there? -- to control people
  4639.  
  4640. (Woman) than to get them addicted.
  4641. Now, whether it's called legal drugs,
  4642.  
  4643. (Woman) or illegal drugs, a drug
  4644. is a drug is a drug.
  4645.  
  4646. (Woman) I would like to know if you
  4647. know how far and to what involvement
  4648.  
  4649. (Woman) the American Medical
  4650. Association is involved in this.
  4651.  
  4652. (Woman) Thank you.
  4653.  
  4654. I sometimes feel like I would have to be
  4655. God to answer some of these questions.
  4656.  
  4657. (laughter)
  4658.  
  4659. Let me put it this way: we have all heard
  4660. stories about a dysfunctional family,
  4661.  
  4662. where a father is molesting
  4663. a young daughter.
  4664.  
  4665. And there are other children in the
  4666. family, and there's a wife.
  4667.  
  4668. And we look at these tragedies,
  4669.  
  4670. and we see how the wife ignores
  4671. what's going on,
  4672.  
  4673. and the other children ignore
  4674. what's going on:
  4675.  
  4676. for the sake of maintaining
  4677. the family image;
  4678.  
  4679. for the sake of looking good;
  4680.  
  4681. out of the fear that if they expose
  4682. what's going on,
  4683.  
  4684. the father will turn his rage
  4685. against them.
  4686.  
  4687. And that's a dysfunctional family.
  4688.  
  4689. This country is in that state of denial.
  4690.  
  4691. Every aspect of this country is
  4692. affected by this crisis.
  4693.  
  4694. Let me define it to you this way
  4695. -- and I'll be real brief with this --
  4696.  
  4697. Could the President of the United States,
  4698. the Executive Branch,
  4699.  
  4700. -- which, theoretically, is empowered
  4701. over the CIA --
  4702.  
  4703. have permitted the Agency to deal drugs
  4704. to American citizens?
  4705.  
  4706. Or, could it have happened
  4707. without him knowing about it?
  4708.  
  4709. Either way, you have just defined the
  4710. greatest crisis -- Constitutional crisis --
  4711.  
  4712. in American history
  4713. since the Civil War;
  4714.  
  4715. and solving it is going to take
  4716. that kind of upheaval.
  4717.  
  4718. Leadership in this will have to show
  4719. that we can do this non-violently,
  4720.  
  4721. in a healthy way, in the American spirit.
  4722.  
  4723. Not in the German spirit, not in the
  4724. Russian spirit, not in the Chinese spirit;
  4725.  
  4726. but in the American spirit.
  4727.  
  4728. (Woman) Yes, I appreciate that remark.
  4729.  
  4730. (Woman) I would like to have us all
  4731. remember that what, I believe,
  4732.  
  4733. (Woman) you have described this
  4734. evening is not a man-made battle,
  4735.  
  4736. (Woman) but we are wrestling against
  4737. principalities and powers in high places,
  4738.  
  4739. (Woman) and basically that
  4740. is a spiritual problem.
  4741.  
  4742. (Woman) And we're not going to go out
  4743. here as a group of people
  4744.  
  4745. (Woman) and conquer this in our own
  4746. strength.
  4747.  
  4748. (Woman) It'll be like David putting
  4749. on Saul's armor:
  4750.  
  4751. (Woman) It doesn't fit.
  4752. It only weighs us down.
  4753.  
  4754. (Woman) But I believe it's in
  4755. 1 Chronicles where it tells us,
  4756.  
  4757. (Woman) "If my people, who are called
  4758. by my name, will humble themselves"
  4759.  
  4760. (Woman) "and pray, and turn
  4761. from their wicked ways,"
  4762.  
  4763. (Woman) "then will we hear from
  4764. Heaven, and I will heal their land"
  4765.  
  4766. (Woman) And that's what we've
  4767. got to come back to.
  4768.  
  4769. (Woman) We're kidding ourselves
  4770. here, sitting here thinking...
  4771.  
  4772. (Woman) -- I appreciate the rally,
  4773. and I support it wholeheartedly --
  4774.  
  4775. (Woman) but as a group,
  4776. we're kidding ourselves
  4777.  
  4778. (Woman) if we think we're going to go
  4779. out and do this in our own strength.
  4780.  
  4781. (Woman) Only history will be repeated
  4782. again and again,
  4783.  
  4784. (Woman) But it's as we turn to
  4785. the Lord Jesus Christ
  4786.  
  4787. (Woman) and let Him operate
  4788. through our lives,
  4789.  
  4790. (Woman) and then put our hand
  4791. to the plow, we will conquer.
  4792.  
  4793. And my fervent hope and response to that:
  4794.  
  4795. "Where two or more are gathered in His
  4796. name, He is also there." (applause)
  4797.  
  4798. What if 10 or 15 thousand are gathered,
  4799.  
  4800. and many of those gather
  4801. in His name, too? (applause) Yes.
  4802.  
  4803. (Man) I very much appreciate
  4804. that comment. I did want to...
  4805.  
  4806. (Man) You mentioned earlier about (xx),
  4807. which we've all been most familiar with.
  4808.  
  4809. (Man) As far as my understanding goes,
  4810. ten investigations have begun,
  4811.  
  4812. (Man) and I guess the tenth one
  4813. is in some way going on now.
  4814.  
  4815. (Man) But what has caused these
  4816. all to end, and the information
  4817.  
  4818. (Man) -- the myriad of tons of information
  4819. that have been gathered --
  4820.  
  4821. (Man) to not result in any
  4822. meaningful action?
  4823.  
  4824. The way this country works is that unless
  4825. it shows up in The Washington Post,
  4826.  
  4827. The New York Times, The Los Angeles
  4828. Times, Time, or Newsweek,
  4829.  
  4830. officially, it doesn't exist.
  4831.  
  4832. And there can be investigations
  4833. until the cows come home.
  4834.  
  4835. And the information is out there.
  4836. We have it.
  4837.  
  4838. I have, it, everybody else has it.
  4839. Dozens of other witnesses have it.
  4840.  
  4841. Gene Wheaton has it;
  4842. Terry Reed has it. (sp)
  4843.  
  4844. I've spoken to Terry several times,
  4845. OK? The point is that
  4846.  
  4847. we have to make something happen
  4848. in the collective consciousness
  4849.  
  4850. to get it out to the point where
  4851. somebody admits it openly.
  4852.  
  4853. (Man) Mike, just one moment on that.
  4854. You know that we know two boys,
  4855.  
  4856. (Man) we know two young teenage,
  4857. nnocent boys were killed,
  4858.  
  4859. (Man) and we know a number of other
  4860. people relating to that same...
  4861.  
  4862. (Man) those deaths, were also killed.
  4863.  
  4864. (Man) And we do know that enough
  4865. information is extant to make a case.
  4866.  
  4867. (Man) It seems to me that a rifle shot
  4868. has to be fired
  4869.  
  4870. (Man) in order to break through this wall.
  4871.  
  4872. (Man) instead of these little hammers
  4873. banging away,
  4874.  
  4875. (Man) some focal point has
  4876. to be singled out.
  4877.  
  4878. (Man) And just hammer it through
  4879. till it breaks the dam, because...
  4880.  
  4881. You raise a beautiful point.
  4882.  
  4883. Mike wants to say something in a second,
  4884.  
  4885. but let me talk to that point
  4886. for a second.
  4887.  
  4888. I have met... all over the years, I have
  4889. met people who are angry with the IRS,
  4890.  
  4891. and I have met people who
  4892. are angry over many,
  4893.  
  4894. many different righteous,
  4895. justified causes,
  4896.  
  4897. but they have been a Tower of Babel
  4898.  
  4899. As I view this from a political
  4900. standpoint alone,
  4901.  
  4902. I see the single issue of CIA and drugs
  4903.  
  4904. as being the one single issue
  4905. which can crack the armor.
  4906.  
  4907. And when will the armor crack? The
  4908. armor will crack when a farmer in Iowa,
  4909.  
  4910. and somebody in Saint Louis,
  4911. and Wisconsin, and Colorado
  4912.  
  4913. who's Middle America wakes up
  4914. and catches on to this:
  4915.  
  4916. that's when the armor will crack.
  4917.  
  4918. And as far as I'm concerned
  4919.  
  4920. -- and I have many opinions about
  4921. many other issues --
  4922.  
  4923. publicly, I speak only about
  4924. CIA and drugs;
  4925.  
  4926. because that's the one where I
  4927. think we've got a chance to win.
  4928.  
  4929. Mike wants to say something.
  4930.  
  4931. (Mike) Yeah, I wanted to briefly
  4932. say exactly that:
  4933.  
  4934. (Mike) The people talking about the
  4935. Republican and the Democratic parties,
  4936.  
  4937. (Mike) and one of the things they always
  4938. talk about is wedge issues,
  4939.  
  4940. (Mike) and they always want to try
  4941. to drive a wedge.
  4942.  
  4943. (Mike) They want to drive a wedge
  4944. between Blacks and Whites;
  4945.  
  4946. (Mike) They want to drive a wedge
  4947. between Latinos and Whites,
  4948.  
  4949. (Mike) Between Blacks and Latinos:
  4950. They're constantly looking for issues
  4951.  
  4952. (Mike) on the theory of divide
  4953. and conquer.
  4954.  
  4955. (Mike) And when they mean conquer,
  4956. that's what they want to do.
  4957.  
  4958. (Mike) They're not just talking
  4959. in figurative terms.
  4960.  
  4961. (Mike) And we're looking
  4962. for some cement.
  4963.  
  4964. (Mike) We're looing for things that are
  4965. going to wedge us together, in a way.
  4966.  
  4967. (Mike) And we're looking at this,
  4968. as we say, "Crack the CIA,"
  4969.  
  4970. (Mike) we want to find something that
  4971. is going to affect the conscience
  4972.  
  4973. (Mike) and the consciousness of many,
  4974. many people to see our commonality
  4975.  
  4976. (Mike) and our common struggle.
  4977.  
  4978. (Mike) And I want to respond to what...
  4979.  
  4980. (Man) Why don't you want to destroy
  4981. the cocaine cartels?
  4982.  
  4983. (Mike) We want to destroy not only
  4984. the cocaine cartels,
  4985.  
  4986. (Mike) But we're saying this is much
  4987. bigger than the problem of cocaine.
  4988.  
  4989. (Mike) This is a systematic...
  4990. in other words:
  4991.  
  4992. (Mike) before there was cocaine,
  4993. there was heroin.
  4994.  
  4995. (Mike) Before there was heroin,
  4996. there was opium.
  4997.  
  4998. (Mike) Before there was opium,
  4999. they were selling liquor to the Indians.
  5000.  
  5001. (Mike) Before... they traded slaves for
  5002. tobacco and addicted people.
  5003.  
  5004. (Mike) This is going back half
  5005. a millennium and longer.
  5006.  
  5007. (Mike) I just want to say that one
  5008. of the things about this coalition
  5009.  
  5010. (Mike) that I think will distinguish it
  5011. is that we are not actually trying
  5012.  
  5013. (Mike) to get the government to do
  5014. anything about this,
  5015.  
  5016. (Mike) because we understand
  5017. that they are problem.
  5018.  
  5019. (Mike) We are trying to affect ourselves.
  5020.  
  5021. (Mike) We're hooked into the
  5022. recovery movement.
  5023.  
  5024. (Mike) It's not only one person who says
  5025. "I'm an addict," alcohlic, whatever,
  5026.  
  5027. (Mike) But there are many people
  5028. in the Black community:
  5029.  
  5030. (Mike) groups called "Mad Dads":
  5031. many, many people who are saying
  5032.  
  5033. (Mike) we have to take the responsibility
  5034. to transform ourselves,
  5035.  
  5036. (Mike) and by doing that we will transform
  5037. this government and society.
  5038.  
  5039. (Mike) We're not expecting them
  5040. to solve this problem for us.
  5041.  
  5042. (Man) Michael, I'd like to thank you,
  5043. first, for coming this evening.
  5044.  
  5045. (Man) Standing up, saying what
  5046. you've said. I respect you.
  5047.  
  5048. (Man) I appreciate your being here
  5049. this evening and what you've said.
  5050.  
  5051. Thank you.
  5052.  
  5053. (Man) I have a brief observation myself,
  5054. and I'd like to get your reponse to it.
  5055.  
  5056. (Man) And the observation is that
  5057. Thomas Jefferson said
  5058.  
  5059. (Man) that we need a revolution
  5060. every 20 years.
  5061.  
  5062. (Man) The last time the people
  5063. of this country stood up
  5064.  
  5065. (Man) and told the government,
  5066. "Enough is enough"
  5067.  
  5068. (Man) was 25 years ago when we
  5069. told 'em we'd had enough of Vietnam.
  5070.  
  5071. (Man) And I think it's time for the people
  5072. in this country to stand up and say:
  5073.  
  5074. (Man) "Enough is enough,
  5075. and we've had it."
  5076.  
  5077. (Man) And if that's a revolution,
  5078. and we can do it peaceably,
  5079.  
  5080. (Man) In the streets like we did
  5081. 25 years ago, but peaceably,
  5082.  
  5083. (Man) Then I'm 100% behind it, and I
  5084. think it's an idea whose time has come,
  5085.  
  5086. (Man) and there's nothing that's going
  5087. to stop it.
  5088.  
  5089. (Man) And I'm very glad that you're doing
  5090. that you're doing, because we need it.
  5091.  
  5092. (applause)
  5093.  
  5094. Thank you.
  5095.  
  5096. (Man) Your response, anybody else's
  5097. response.
  5098.  
  5099. All I can say to that is "ditto."
  5100.  
  5101. (Man) Yeah: I just want to make a
  5102. comment that I think that rally
  5103.  
  5104. (Man) will be real important to this
  5105. neighborhood in showing,
  5106.  
  5107. (Man) in bringing it out to light to
  5108. the average public
  5109.  
  5110. (Man) how you aren't just hurting
  5111. yourself when you use drugs,
  5112.  
  5113. (Man) but you're hurting your country.
  5114.  
  5115. (Man) And it's OK if people want to
  5116. hurt themselves, but when you realize
  5117.  
  5118. (Man) and when people who are out
  5119. there using realize
  5120.  
  5121. (Man) that it's actually hurting their
  5122. country, and their country's behind it,
  5123.  
  5124. (Man) and you're sponsoring something
  5125.  
  5126. (Man) that's gonna break your
  5127. livelihood apart, and other people's,
  5128.  
  5129. (Man) I think it's gonna bring a lot
  5130. of light to the neighborhood, so thanks.
  5131.  
  5132. I think you're right.
  5133.  
  5134. (Man) ...last question...
  5135.  
  5136. (Man) Yes. Unless you demand that the
  5137. government destroy the cocaine cartel
  5138.  
  5139. (Man) and organized crime who have done
  5140.  
  5141. (Man) all this damage to the
  5142. American people,
  5143.  
  5144. (Man) you're not gonna get the
  5145. American people behind you.
  5146.  
  5147. (Man) You're not gonna get
  5148. American justice.
  5149.  
  5150. (Man) My question is, why aren't you...
  5151. why don't you have a plan
  5152.  
  5153. (Man) to destroy the cocaine cartels,
  5154.  
  5155. (Man) and why don't you want
  5156. to make the government do that?
  5157.  
  5158. (different man) This is the plan!
  5159.  
  5160. (Man) No, I want him to answer
  5161. this question.
  5162.  
  5163. We have to fix the government first.
  5164.  
  5165. We can't get a government that
  5166. doesn't respond to us
  5167.  
  5168. to do anything in our interest until
  5169. we fix the government.
  5170.  
  5171. (Man) If you're gonna be there
  5172. tomorrow morning,
  5173.  
  5174. (Man) why don't you make that
  5175. demand in front of the press,
  5176.  
  5177. (Man) and for the press to print,
  5178. saying,
  5179.  
  5180. (Man) "Why isn't the government
  5181. destroying the cocaine cartels?"
  5182.  
  5183. (Another Man) Because they
  5184. are the cartel!
  5185.  
  5186. (Host) It's nice to have a spirited group,
  5187. and on behalf of the forum,
  5188.  
  5189. (Host) we want to thank Mike Ruppert
  5190. or an interesting talk.
  5191.  
  5192. (Host) Please bear with us. Looking
  5193. forward to having you come back.
  5194.  
  5195. (Host) I do hope you do. Thank you
  5196. very much, appreciate it.
  5197.  
  5198. (Host begins unrelated announcement)
  5199.  
  5200. [MUSIC]
  5201.  
  5202. [Subtitled by "Adjuvant" | CC-BY 4.0]
  5203. Rest in peace, Mike.
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