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Topic set by TheRedMage on Mon Jul 23 2012 09:17:41 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
21:25	stanzicApparati	I believe she was making an effort to avoid doing that, actually.
21:25	tenaciousTheseus	I'm
21:25	futurelateralMechanics	Of course I did!
21:25	tenaciousTheseus	Not sure she should be doing that
21:25	tenaciousTheseus	But
21:25	futurelateralMechanics	What's the point in handing over the note otherwise?
21:25	tenaciousTheseus	She can sing in a way that actually hurts them
21:25	tenaciousTheseus	Like
21:25	tenaciousTheseus	Physically
21:25	stanzicApparati	Yeah, she was avoiding going down there alone, though.
21:25	tenaciousTheseus	Mmm
21:25	silentAnswer	Hi everyone
21:25	stanzicApparati	I think she was going to try and find someone to go with her.
21:25	tenaciousTheseus	Hello
21:25	stanzicApparati	Hello, silans.
21:26	silentAnswer	Huh I don't think this thing quite got my color right
21:26	eminenceGlasseye	Greet|ngs
21:26	futurelateralMechanics	Hello!
21:26	silentAnswer	Now?
21:26	stanzicApparati	It does that, yeah.
21:26	silentAnswer	Yeah that's better
21:26	silentAnswer	a little
21:26	eminenceGlasseye	May | ask who you are?
21:26	stanzicApparati	The colour selection kind of sucks.
21:26	silentAnswer	Oh I'm just a first-sessioner
21:26	silentAnswer	I need a break to get away from my idiot coplayers though
21:27	eminenceGlasseye	What |s the matter?
21:27	tenaciousTheseus	That's what we're here for
21:27	tenaciousTheseus	Among other things
21:27	soulHooks	... she can what?
21:27	silentAnswer	What's the matter is that the freaking guard of heart seems heart-set on picking a fight with my brother
21:27	silentAnswer	I thought they'd gotten over this
21:27	futurelateralMechanics	Something-or-other-Oar?
21:27	tenaciousTheseus	Some sort of hymns
21:27	stanzicApparati	Mm. What's the problem, specifically?
21:28	stanzicApparati	No, silans is in a different session from swioar, if I remember right.
21:28	stanzicApparati	I've talked to her on the forums a couple times.
21:28	eminenceGlasseye	Do cont|nue.
21:28	soulHooks	oh, is your guard the oar dude?
21:28	stanzicApparati	And her brother.
21:28	futurelateralMechanics	I see.
21:28	silentAnswer	Alright so a few days ago Danny was on here seeking advice about a maturity quest
21:28	soulHooks	fuck him, seriously.
21:28	silentAnswer	a "pride" quest
21:28	stanzicApparati	Right, that.
21:28	stanzicApparati	I remember that.
21:28	tenaciousTheseus	Oh yeah, I remember that too
21:28	silentAnswer	Anyways, afterwards he got Timmy to reset his memory
21:28	silentAnswer	err, his shiny
21:29	tenaciousTheseus	He said he would, yes
21:29	stanzicApparati	Yeah.
21:29	silentAnswer	I guess that affects more than your memory
21:29	tenaciousTheseus	Actually
21:29	silentAnswer	Anyways, that went fine
21:29	stanzicApparati	Shiny-fuckery does, yeah.
21:29	silentAnswer	Until AFTERWARD
21:29	stanzicApparati	...what happened?
21:29	silentAnswer	When Timmy asked what it'd been about
21:29	silentAnswer	And he told him
21:29	silentAnswer	And then Timmy threatened to undo the change
21:29	stanzicApparati	Right.
21:29	silentAnswer	As in, make him have completed the pride quest again
21:29	stanzicApparati	Yeah, Timmy /should/ do that by the way.
21:29	futurelateralMechanics	Threatened him?
21:30	eminenceGlasseye	Go on.
21:30	futurelateralMechanics	Into doing what?
21:30	tenaciousTheseus	The game gives you the quest for a reason
21:30	stanzicApparati	I mean, the game scrubs you of the maturity quest changes after you head to the next session /anyways/.
21:30	silentAnswer	Timmy has it in his head that it's his job to make Danny man up and start playing the game "properly"
21:30	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah
21:30	tenaciousTheseus	Sigh
21:30	silentAnswer	Which it's not
21:30	silentAnswer	I mean, I'm going to be honest here
21:30	tenaciousTheseus	Guard of Heart, you said?
21:30	futurelateralMechanics	Have you considered punching him in the face?
21:30	silentAnswer	Don't tell him I said this but Danny's not actually doing that bad anymore
21:31	soulHooks	hehehe.
21:31	tenaciousTheseus	Why shouldn't we tell him this, to be exact?
21:31	silentAnswer	He's figured out a way to get most of his questing done just by threatening the enemies into running away
21:31	soulHooks	yeah, heart players usually need a good punch in the face, i think.
21:31	tenaciousTheseus	((*exactly))
21:31	eminenceGlasseye	Why d|d he agree to change Danny |f he wasn't clear on why he wanted altered?
21:31	tenaciousTheseus	Rage
21:31	tenaciousTheseus	I mean
21:31	tenaciousTheseus	Someone with the Wrath tells you to do something, you do it
21:31	silentAnswer	I didn't ask
21:31	tenaciousTheseus	It's the aspect of authority and orders
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21:31	futurelateralMechanics	Hm....Rage and Heart are paired aspects, aren't they?
21:31	stanzicApparati	Yeah.
21:32	stanzicApparati	They are, actually.
21:32	tenaciousTheseus	Mmhm
21:32	tenaciousTheseus	Paired aspects usually have some friction between them
21:32	soulHooks	altering from the inside out and yelling changes from the outside in.
21:32	futurelateralMechanics	If he keeps threatening, have your brother shout at him to stop it?
21:32	eminenceGlasseye	S|t them down and have a chat.
21:33	silentAnswer	Right, because the best way to stop one guy from misusing his aspect is to tell the other to misuse his
21:33	tenaciousTheseus	Not really misuse
21:33	tenaciousTheseus	Is telling someone to stop doing something stupid misuse?
21:34	futurelateralMechanics	Sorry. I am just fed up from having to re-organise my notes. Again. -'_'-
21:34	silentAnswer	Telling? No. Using your Rage powers? Yes.
21:34	tenaciousTheseus	That's what they're /for/
21:34	tenaciousTheseus	To get people to do stuff they don't want to do
21:34	silentAnswer	They're for using on the enemy, aren't they?
21:34	silentAnswer	Well except heart
21:34	eminenceGlasseye	Hm... | bel|eve you should |ntervene between them.
21:35	eminenceGlasseye	Keep them apart, but not by shutt|ng out the|r feel|ngs.
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21:35	tenaciousTheseus	Auspistice between them, you mean?
21:35	eminenceGlasseye	Yes.
21:35	silentAnswer	Umm
21:35	stanzicApparati	Mhm.
21:35	tenaciousTheseus	Not sure it's at that point yet
21:35	silentAnswer	I still don't understand how any of that stuff works
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21:36	silentAnswer	But as a human
21:36	silentAnswer	Dealing with two humans
21:36	stanzicApparati	Glasseye, could you help me explain?
21:36	silentAnswer	I'm gonna venture a guess that that's not necessarily the right way to handle this?
21:36	stanzicApparati	Maybe?
21:36	eminenceGlasseye	Yes, | can.
21:36	stanzicApparati	But I don't exactly see why it /wouldn't/ help.
21:37	stanzicApparati	I mean, auspictism is about preventing conflict between two parties.
21:37	silentAnswer	Ok
21:37	silentAnswer	And you do that by...?
21:38	eminenceGlasseye	Gett|ng |n the m|ddle of th|ngs, |nterven|ng when necessary, occas|onally g|ft|ng them w|th culturally relevant objects.
21:38	stanzicApparati	Whatever works.
21:39	silentAnswer	Culturally relevant... you realize we all grew up on the same street right?
21:39	eminenceGlasseye	Occas|onally grabb|ng them by the ears and tw|st|ng unt|l they are focused on you |nstead of each other.
21:39	silentAnswer	Like, six houses away
21:39	stanzicApparati	...that's a lot closer than most people in a session are.
21:40	silentAnswer	Yeah I noticed that
21:40	silentAnswer	I find it kinda weird
21:40	eminenceGlasseye	| mean, relevant to ausp|st|c|sm culture. Certa|n stones or flowers mean certa|n th|ngs.
21:40	silentAnswer	Did none of you have non-internet friends?
21:40	stanzicApparati	Like, the closest person to me in my session was my moirail - and she lived nearly half a day away.
21:40	tenaciousTheseus	Not anymore
21:40	stanzicApparati	Not really?
21:40	stanzicApparati	I was pretty isolated.
21:40	tenaciousTheseus	Not that I did before the start, either
21:40	silentAnswer	And the humans?
21:40	futurelateralMechanics	Auspisticism culture?
21:40	tenaciousTheseus	I am a human
21:40	eminenceGlasseye	Though | suppose that |s only relevant for my anc|ent t|me per|od...
21:41	futurelateralMechanics	Please, explain! It sounds fascinating.
21:41	silentAnswer	Yeah, do that
21:41	stanzicApparati	I'd love to hear about it too, Glasseye.
21:41	silentAnswer	Even if it's not applicable that still sounds like it could be interesting
21:42	eminenceGlasseye	For |nstance, |f you have been favor|ng one over the other too much |n recent t|mes you may g|ft the snubbed member a necklace set w|th r|ver pearl, |n order to |nd|cate that you st|ll |ntend to favor the two of them equally.
21:44	eminenceGlasseye	Also, |n dances |t |s common for all three members of an ausp|st|ce to wear objects of cloth|ng belong|ng to each other, and frequently w|th each others' blood color.
21:44	silentAnswer	All three
21:45	silentAnswer	Arent two of them supposed to hate each other?
21:45	futurelateralMechanics	Please, tell us more.
21:45	eminenceGlasseye	They are st|ll |n a relat|onsh|p.
21:45	eminenceGlasseye	G|fts are not only for p|ty.
21:45	silentAnswer	Not just with the middle guy, but for the other one too?
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21:46	silentAnswer	Isn't the whole point of the relationship to STOP the two who hate each other from caring that strongly about each other?
21:47	eminenceGlasseye	|t |s supposed to stop them from becom|ng k|smeses.
21:47	eminenceGlasseye	There |s st|ll a relat|onsh|p |n place.
21:47	silentAnswer	Like, permanently?
21:48	eminenceGlasseye	|t |s generally less stable than the other three quadrants, but |t |s far from ephemeral.
21:48	stanzicApparati	You're trying to prevent them from getting to the point where it's a kismessitude, yeah.
21:48	silentAnswer	But...
21:49	silentAnswer	Are you saying that a troll's only expected to hate one person (besides their actual kismessis) enough to need an auspitice?
21:49	silentAnswer	(also wow I don't know what it says that I'm accepting as premise that you're that prone to blind rage towards each other)
21:50	stanzicApparati	Multiple auspictisms are possible, yeah.
21:50	eminenceGlasseye	However.
21:50	eminenceGlasseye	True hatred |s very |ntens|ve.
21:50	stanzicApparati	Where I was from, though, if you /needed/ more than one auspictice at a time it kind of...implied bad things about you.
21:50	stanzicApparati	Like, it implied that you hate way too easily.
21:50	stanzicApparati	And possibly that your moirail wasn't doing their job.
21:51	silentAnswer	Huh
21:51	eminenceGlasseye	|t |s unhealthy too. As stressful as try|ng to keep up w|th many flushed aqua|ntences at a t|me.
21:51	tenaciousTheseus	Intersting
21:51	silentAnswer	I think a human would consider it signs of a problem if even ONE person hates you that badly
21:51	silentAnswer	and visa versas
21:52	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah
21:52	stanzicApparati	Mm.
21:52	stanzicApparati	Well, we need rivals, you know?
21:53	silentAnswer	You can't just have a goal instead?
21:53	stanzicApparati	You need someone you can pit yourself against that way. Someone it's okay to get screamingly furious with.
21:53	tenaciousTheseus	I think the general goal was galactic conquer
21:53	stanzicApparati	Goals don't tell you if you've got weak spots.
21:54	eminenceGlasseye	Goals bl|nd you. Blackrom keeps you alert.
21:54	stanzicApparati	And a moirail is sometimes too kind to push you into fixing things if you aren't comfortable with the idea of changing.
21:54	stanzicApparati	A kismesis will hit your weak points over and over again, if you refuse to fix them.
21:55	silentAnswer	So it's basically self-improvement by raising the bar against yourself?
21:55	eminenceGlasseye	That seems a rather pla|n way to put |t.
21:55	silentAnswer	I think I sort of get it now
21:55	silentAnswer	So the kismesis, even though he hates you, he doesn't WANT to do permanent harm right
21:56	silentAnswer	right?
21:56	stanzicApparati	Yeah, that's a little...bare-bones.
21:56	stanzicApparati	Right.
21:56	eminenceGlasseye	Correct.
21:56	stanzicApparati	Your kismesis isn't supposed to do permanent harm.
21:56	tenaciousTheseus	Hard to be in a relationship with someone if you kill them
21:56	silentAnswer	Is it too much to say he wants to see you succeed in every endeavor not related to himself?
21:56	stanzicApparati	Mmm, little bit?
21:56	stanzicApparati	They don't want you to fail at everything.
21:57	eminenceGlasseye	A b|t. He wants you to struggle, so that he may laugh at you.
21:57	stanzicApparati	Someone who fails all the time isn't a challenge, after all.
21:57	stanzicApparati	But someone who's successful at nearly everything they turn their hand to...well, you wouldn't find /them/ a challenge, either.
21:57	silentAnswer	You wouldn't?
21:58	tenaciousTheseus	Luckily, they don't exist
21:58	stanzicApparati	Mm. Okay, I phrased that a bit badly.
21:58	stanzicApparati	If you succeeded at everything you try, you wouldn't find your kismesis much of a challenge.
21:58	silentAnswer	Fair enough
21:58	futurelateralMechanics	Why deal with somebody you always beat, or something?
21:58	stanzicApparati	Exactly.
21:59	tenaciousTheseus	Or someone who always beats you
21:59	silentAnswer	I did say "except regarding their kismesis"
21:59	futurelateralMechanics	That makes sense.
21:59	futurelateralMechanics	I am not sure how this leads into romance but so far this part makes sense.
21:59	tenaciousTheseus	Mmm. I'm a bit unclear on that too
21:59	tenaciousTheseus	THere's all this, which I can understand
21:59	tenaciousTheseus	But
21:59	silentAnswer	Like, if you can keep up with him wouldn't the mayor be more of a challenge than the janitor?
21:59	stanzicApparati	Well, if your kismesis is successful at everything except their quadrants, it's still not exactly a challenge.
22:00	stanzicApparati	You want some things you can mock them about.
22:00	tenaciousTheseus	If I were in something like that, I wouldn't want to have sex with them
22:00	eminenceGlasseye	Why not?
22:00	tenaciousTheseus	It doesn't seem like something I would be physically attracted to
22:00	silentAnswer	I just wrote that part off as "our brains are wired different" and ignored it
22:01	stanzicApparati	...why not?
22:01	tenaciousTheseus	It seems kinda tacked on, from an outsider's perspective
22:01	futurelateralMechanics	Um. Mind if I be a little clinical for a second?
22:01	silentAnswer	I don't think we're going to understand it
22:01	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah
22:01	eminenceGlasseye	Go on, Latmec.
22:01	stanzicApparati	Sure, latmec.
22:01	tenaciousTheseus	I don't really think humanity's cut out for kismesitude, as a whole
22:01	futurelateralMechanics	If human romance is like ours, then reproduction is sort of the end goal.
22:01	silentAnswer	Hold up, are you troll or human
22:02	futurelateralMechanics	And reproduction is a big deal! A lot of time and resources get tied up in it.
22:02	silentAnswer	I thought you were one of the humans
22:02	futurelateralMechanics	Um. Neither.
22:02	silentAnswer	Oh. Oops?
22:02	futurelateralMechanics	Sheelof. We're a rarity here apparently.
22:02	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah, kinda
22:02	silentAnswer	I hope I didn't just offend you by forgetting there were other aliens or anything
22:02	futurelateralMechanics	It's fine, really.
22:02	futurelateralMechanics	Still. You don't reproduce with somebody you hate. It is a huge commitment! You can't waste it on somebody you can't stand.
22:03	silentAnswer	I think I read that the trolls don't raise their own kids
22:03	eminenceGlasseye	A comm|tment? Relat|onsh|ps are a comm|tment.
22:03	silentAnswer	So that helps
22:03	stanzicApparati	Relationships are a commitment, yeah.
22:03	futurelateralMechanics	Relationships can break down.
22:03	eminenceGlasseye	Where does reproduct|on t|e |nto that comm|tment?
22:04	stanzicApparati	And yeah - we don't normally raise wrigglers.
22:04	tenaciousTheseus	You don't raise your own offspring
22:04	tenaciousTheseus	We do
22:04	stanzicApparati	Lusii do that.
22:04	silentAnswer	I wouldn't want to let any human child be raised by people who hate each other, but that's not an issue for them
22:04	tenaciousTheseus	And we do that with our romantic partners
22:04	futurelateralMechanics	The Nralta raises the children in our culture.
22:04	soulHooks	and even human kids can do pretty well with parents who hate each other!
22:04	silentAnswer	Sometimes
22:04	silentAnswer	Other times they don't
22:05	tenaciousTheseus	Oftentimes they don't
22:05	eminenceGlasseye	|f | may? |f someone |s good enough to be your k|smes|s, then they are good enough to share mater|al w|th.
22:05	futurelateralMechanics	If she cannot tolerate the Kalinth, then she would restrict access to the offspring, and then a whole clutch more issues can arise
22:05	tenaciousTheseus	Are they good enough to trust a life in their care?
22:06	tenaciousTheseus	Someone malleable and trusting and young?
22:06	eminenceGlasseye	They have proven themself w|th your b|cker|ng and ba|t|ng as the f|lter.
22:07	stanzicApparati	Mhm. If they aren't good enough to be your kismesis...well, why are you swapping material you're planning on giving to the drones?
22:07	tenaciousTheseus	Survival?
22:07	tenaciousTheseus	I mean
22:08	futurelateralMechanics	Drones?
22:08	tenaciousTheseus	Don't fill your buckets, get culled
22:08	silentAnswer	What do you mean survival?
22:08	silentAnswer	What does reproduction have to do with survival?
22:08	tenaciousTheseus	If they don't have a kismesis and a matesprit lined up
22:08	silentAnswer	(that sentence didn't come out right)
22:08	tenaciousTheseus	And genetic material from both
22:08	tenaciousTheseus	They get killed
22:08	tenaciousTheseus	When the drones come around
22:08	silentAnswer	Seriously?
22:09	eminenceGlasseye	You can choose anyone around you |n an emergency, but |t would result |n substandard mater|al.
22:09	silentAnswer	The government says "If you don't reproduce we'll kill you"?
22:09	futurelateralMechanics	What a...Odd manner to go about the process.
22:09	stanzicApparati	Well, okay - yeah. If you had no one else in that quadrant when the drones come.
22:10	silentAnswer	Not even the Orwell regime did anything that crazy
22:10	tenaciousTheseus	The Orwell regime probably did the opposite
22:11	silentAnswer	More often than not yes
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22:11	futurelateralMechanics	What is the Orwell regime?
22:11	tenaciousTheseus	If you pailed someone, you were killed
22:11	tenaciousTheseus	Or something
22:11	tenaciousTheseus	I didn't really read 1984 that closely
22:11	eminenceGlasseye	|t |s a good deal less pleasant squatt|ng |n front of the drones when you do not have an emot|onal response towards your partner.
22:11	silentAnswer	What does 1984 have to do with anything?
22:11	stanzicApparati	...I'd imagine it would be, yeah. :\
22:11	silentAnswer	I mean yeah, I guess he was in power then
22:11	tenaciousTheseus	1984 was the name of a book
22:11	silentAnswer	But that wasn't the beginning or end of it
22:12	tenaciousTheseus	In which a totalitarian regime was in place
22:12	tenaciousTheseus	I assume that's what his regime would be like
22:12	silentAnswer	Yes "totalitarian" is one way of putting it
22:13	futurelateralMechanics	Should I ask or is this a cultural thing I probably wouldn't get?
22:13	silentAnswer	Umm
22:13	eminenceGlasseye	|'ll have you know my re|gn |s everyth|ng but.
22:13	silentAnswer	Are you saying that on your... earth that didn't actually happen?
22:13	futurelateralMechanics	You're Orwell?
22:14	futurelateralMechanics	Please help explain what on Albia they're talking about.
22:14	eminenceGlasseye	No, | am Glasseye.
22:14	silentAnswer	An evil demagogue named George Orwell conquered pretty much three quarters of the world and ruled it with an iron fist for about 25 years
22:14	tenaciousTheseus	To me, Orwell was just an author
22:15	tenaciousTheseus	He wrote some books about totalitarian regimes, yes
22:15	silentAnswer	Eventually he was assasinated by Saint Lovecraft and his regime crumpled without him
22:15	tenaciousTheseus	Saint Lovecraft
22:15	tenaciousTheseus	Really?
22:15	silentAnswer	Wouldn't you name someone a Saint after they toppled something like that?
22:15	tenaciousTheseus	Dare I ask what church he was saint of?
22:15	eminenceGlasseye	Should | be feel|ng lost now?
22:16	futurelateralMechanics	I am completely lost.
22:16	stanzicApparati	I'm lost, too.
22:16	tenaciousTheseus	Lovecraft was also an author, in my world
22:16	tenaciousTheseus	But
22:16	futurelateralMechanics	I just asked Xerxes.
22:16	tenaciousTheseus	He wrote about elder gods
22:16	futurelateralMechanics	Orwell was an Ark.
22:16	tenaciousTheseus	Which were more or less Horrorterrors
22:16	silentAnswer	Hmm that sounds about right
22:16	silentAnswer	Never really cared much for that church
22:17	tenaciousTheseus	Wow
22:17	tenaciousTheseus	Okay then
22:17	soulHooks	wow, what even happened to this conversation.
22:17	silentAnswer	For their beliefs anyways
22:17	eminenceGlasseye	No, ne|ther of the names are fam|l|ar to me.
22:17	silentAnswer	Most of them are pretty nice people though
22:17	silentAnswer	Once you get past it
22:17	eminenceGlasseye	Staap, may | ask for a compar|son?
22:17	silentAnswer	Heck, they fund more charities than all the churches that worship "god" combined
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22:18	tenaciousTheseus	Wow
22:18	tenaciousTheseus	Odd
22:18	stanzicApparati	I don't really know what they're talking about, asides from the bit involving Horrorterrors.
22:18	tenaciousTheseus	I mean
22:18	futurelateralMechanics	The name Orwell I believe?
22:18	tenaciousTheseus	Most of the fictional cults of horrorterrors or things like that
22:18	tenaciousTheseus	Well
22:18	tenaciousTheseus	They're not nice
22:18	stanzicApparati	So I don't know if I can give you any comparisons that are useful, Glasseye. Sorry.
22:18	futurelateralMechanics	What is a cult?
22:18	tenaciousTheseus	As an understatement
22:19	tenaciousTheseus	Small, unpopular religion
22:19	futurelateralMechanics	Oh. I remember the religion explanation.
22:19	eminenceGlasseye	|n my world and t|me, the drones leave the hatch|ng caverns |n vast waves every four or five sweeps. You prov|de them a pa|l of mater|al, and the|r troll attendants mark you w|th a spec|al cloth to |nd|cate your part|c|pat|on. | gather |t |s more organ|zed |n your t|me?
22:19	silentAnswer	I think Suess belonged to a breakaway faction, I guess
22:19	silentAnswer	But the main church is pretty damn good
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22:19	silentAnswer	In the good vs evil scheme of things
22:19	stanzicApparati	Ah.
22:19	stanzicApparati	Yeah, it's a lot more organized in my time.
22:20	silentAnswer	So, umm
22:21	stanzicApparati	I don't think the drones have any attendants? Or at least I don't remember hearing about any. And I think gene sequences were used to figure out who'd participated and who hadn't, but I'm not completely sure.
22:21	eminenceGlasseye	Whats?
22:22	stanzicApparati	I was only six sweeps old when we entered - it wasn't going to be relevant for another four sweeps at least, for me, if it ever became relevant.
22:22	futurelateralMechanics	I need to go check in on the blackboard now. Sorry about this.
22:22	eminenceGlasseye	What |s a gene sequence?
22:23	soulHooks	hahaha, oh jeeze/
22:23	soulHooks	*.
22:23	stanzicApparati	Gene sequences...hmm...basically, a kind of code that describes who you are physically?
22:23	futurelateralMechanics	A string of information inside your body that tells it how to should grow and work.
22:23	soulHooks	genes are the stuff in your blood (and your sexy fluids!) that determine what you are.
22:23	silentAnswer	It's used by your body as a blueprint when reproducing
22:23	eminenceGlasseye	That sounds rather s|lly.
22:23		stanzicApparati shrugs
22:23	soulHooks	like, for humans, it's eye color and hair color and how tall you are.
22:23	tenaciousTheseus	It's something you have
22:23	tenaciousTheseus	Silly or not
22:23	silentAnswer	Well I think most species have it
22:24	soulHooks	i mean, technically it's in all of your body!
22:24	futurelateralMechanics	Anyhow, I really must go.
22:24	stanzicApparati	And for us, it's blood colour and horn shape and everything else that goes into physical appearance and all that.
22:24	futurelateralMechanics	I will see you all again soon.
22:24	tenaciousTheseus	Bye
22:24		*** futurelateralMechanics left #ultimatereward
22:24	silentAnswer	Just physical appearance?
22:24	soulHooks	and even non-living things have genes, but if you don't know anything about genetics then you probably don't know germ theory or viruses, right?
22:24	eminenceGlasseye	| am unfam|l|ar w|th those words, yes.
22:24	stanzicApparati	Well, all the squishy inside bits too, silans.
22:25	stanzicApparati	But blood colour and horn shape are a lot more variable than those bits.
22:25	soulHooks	well, basically germs are tiny tiny tiny creatures that make you sick, and viruses are kind of the same but not technically alive since they don't move under their own power or reproduce on their own like germs do.
22:25	silentAnswer	No that's not what I meant
22:26	eminenceGlasseye	...what?
22:26	soulHooks	not all germs make you sick, though.
22:26	silentAnswer	Like, if an exceptionally smart troll reproduces is he gonna have smart kids?
22:26	soulHooks	yeah, probably!
22:26	soulHooks	but there's all this nature vs. nurture stuff.
22:26	tenaciousTheseus	That's the theory
22:27	soulHooks	so they might be meant to be smart, but not so much if they get hit in the head too much.
22:27	stanzicApparati	Unless his matesprit or kismesis is really stupid? Yeah, probably.
22:27	eminenceGlasseye	| do bel|eve | am completely lost.
22:27	silentAnswer	Oh yeah you get genes from more than two people
22:27	tenaciousTheseus	It doesn't really matter at this point
22:27	soulHooks	... okay, glasseye, i'll try to explain it.
22:27	tenaciousTheseus	No one's reproducing
22:27	tenaciousTheseus	Hopefully
22:27	soulHooks	think of your body as... a pond.
22:27	stanzicApparati	Ectobiology, dude.
22:28	silentAnswer	NOT ectobiology
22:28	soulHooks	you have all your organs and stuff working inside you, all interconnected, right?
22:28	stanzicApparati	But yeah, no one should be bringing kids into this game while we're playing it.
22:28	silentAnswer	Ectobiology is a hack to get around all of this stuff isn't it?
22:28	soulHooks	like how a pond has a bunch of animals in it, all working together to maintain it.
22:28	stanzicApparati	Kinda-sorta, silans.
22:28	eminenceGlasseye	Ponds seem to ex|st |n sp|te of the an|mals, somet|mes.
22:29	stanzicApparati	You can get combinations that wouldn't normally be possible in nature, with ectobiology.
22:29	soulHooks	but each body is different, like each pond is different, even though they all kind of look the same.
22:29	soulHooks	just work with me here and assume it's a pond with a bunch of fish and frogs and stuff.
22:29	eminenceGlasseye	Why, the one |n my palace had an |nvas|on of swarmbugs that took a long t|me to clear out.
22:29	soulHooks	aha!
22:29	soulHooks	see, that's what germs do.
22:29	soulHooks	they fuck everything up by disrupting how your body works!
22:30	tenaciousTheseus	See, I know what you're talking about, but it's still confusing
22:30	silentAnswer	Once you're done explaining genetic theory (ha!) I'd like to ask about what eG seems to have been king of
22:30	eminenceGlasseye	These seemed to enjoy devour|ng the grubloaf |n the k|tchens.
22:30	tenaciousTheseus	He was a ruler of a city-state
22:30	tenaciousTheseus	I think
22:30	eminenceGlasseye	| am.
22:30	soulHooks	man, someone else try explaining something like this to a guy who probably doesn't even know what a microscope is.
22:30	silentAnswer	present tense?
22:30	stanzicApparati	You were.
22:31	tenaciousTheseus	Mmm
22:31	eminenceGlasseye	A very wealthy c|ty-state, at that.
22:31	eminenceGlasseye	Ocean|c trade |s such a useful th|ng.
22:31	gorgeousGills	ugh, whatever.
22:32	silentAnswer	What species were you again?
22:32	gorgeousGills	someone throw a kid's science book at him or something.
22:32	silentAnswer	Alright let me try
22:32	stanzicApparati	He's a troll, silans.
22:32	silentAnswer	Imagine you have a box full of strange objects
22:32	gorgeousGills	((... this is the wrong account :V ))
22:32	silentAnswer	They all do SOMETHING but you don't understand any of them
22:32	tenaciousTheseus	((Kinda, yeah))
22:32	gorgeousGills	((that was meant to be hooks :VVVVV))
22:32	silentAnswer	Except one of the objects is a sheet of paper
22:32	stanzicApparati	((I was wondering!))
22:32	soulHooks	((sssshhhh))
22:33	soulHooks	((i can keep my tabs straight i swear))
22:33	silentAnswer	And this sheet of paper has instructions on how to make a copy of every object in the box and by extension a new box
22:33	eminenceGlasseye	Go on.
22:33	tenaciousTheseus	((You're not proving that :v))
22:33	silentAnswer	Whatever the first box is supposed to do, you'll get another box that does the same thing as long as you follow those instructions perfectly
22:33	silentAnswer	That includes making another sheet with the same instructions of course
22:34	silentAnswer	That piece of paper represents your genetic code
22:34	silentAnswer	And the box represents your body
22:34	silentAnswer	In broad strokes
22:34	eminenceGlasseye	And how have you come to know th|s?
22:34	soulHooks	SCIENCE!
22:34	tenaciousTheseus	People experiment
22:34	tenaciousTheseus	They find out this stuff
22:34	soulHooks	oh man, i hope someone saved bill nye.
22:34	tenaciousTheseus	And teach it to everybody
22:35	tenaciousTheseus	At least, everybody who will listen
22:35	soulHooks	bill nye the science guy is perfect for this stuff.
22:35	silentAnswer	More or less we've figured out how to read the piece of paper ourselves
22:35	tenaciousTheseus	Heh, yeah
22:35	silentAnswer	When originally it was meant ot be read by a part of our body which is just in charge of carrying out those instructions
22:35	silentAnswer	I say more or less
22:36	silentAnswer	Because we can predict what's gonna result from it based on what your code says
22:36	silentAnswer	The actual steps of carrying out those instructions happens on a microscopic scale
22:36	silentAnswer	So it's easier to just let it happen normally
22:37	silentAnswer	Anywaaaaays
22:37	silentAnswer	I don't know how it goes for trolls or anything else that mixes more than two people to make one kid
22:37	silentAnswer	But among two-gender two-partner specieses like humans
22:38	eminenceGlasseye	There are /two/ members per pa|l when perform|ng for the drone.
22:38	eminenceGlasseye	((*/are/ two))
22:38	silentAnswer	What basically happens is that when your body is creating a new person (the baby)
22:38	tenaciousTheseus	But they get mixed in with everybody else's stuff
22:38	soulHooks	<inset video of Bill Nye explaining genetics> yessssss
22:38	silentAnswer	It uses some parts from the father
22:39	soulHooks	dude dude dude bill nye did a thing about genes
22:39	silentAnswer	And some parts which carry out the same function but might be slightly different are taken from the motehr
22:39	silentAnswer	mother
22:39	eminenceGlasseye	What... |s that?
22:39	silentAnswer	The father is the male parent and the mother is the female parent
22:40	silentAnswer	Also cool
22:40	silentAnswer	A video
22:40	silentAnswer	With a professional
22:40	silentAnswer	I can shut up now
22:40	eminenceGlasseye	No, the th|ng Hooks posted.
22:40	soulHooks	it's an old show that was meant for human children!
22:40	silentAnswer	Before I start losing seer cred for giving too much of a straight answer
22:40	soulHooks	which is why it's kind of goofy.
22:40	soulHooks	but there's a lot of them, all about explaining science.
22:44	silentAnswer	So I'm assuming he's busy watching that video now
22:44	silentAnswer	Mission accomplished guys
22:44	silentAnswer	I guess
22:44	soulHooks	what was that?
22:44	soulHooks	i was busy watching bill nye C:
22:45	tenaciousTheseus	Seer is about giving straight answers
22:45	tenaciousTheseus	You're thinking of Witch/Mage
22:45		eminenceGlasseye has gone idle
22:46	silentAnswer	Seers are about knowing things
22:46	silentAnswer	And applying that knowledge
22:46	silentAnswer	The clarity of answers you give your teammates is entirely optional
22:46	tenaciousTheseus	Yes, but not telling them stuff isn't something to attempt to do
22:46	silentAnswer	Ok fine
22:46	silentAnswer	I was trying to make a joke
22:47	silentAnswer	Get off my case
22:47	tenaciousTheseus	Heh
22:47	silentAnswer	Anyways
22:47	silentAnswer	This's been really therapeutic
22:48	silentAnswer	I haven't thought about my teammates and their issues once in the last hour
22:48	soulHooks	oh, man!
22:48	soulHooks	i did the jellyfish thing in class!
22:48	soulHooks	ap bio was awesome.
22:50	silentAnswer	Lucky
22:50	tenaciousTheseus	Heh. I entered before high school
22:52	soulHooks	i was a sophmore. X3
22:54	stanzicApparati	I got basic schoolfeeding.
22:55	stanzicApparati	But exploring with direwolfmom was more interesting.
22:55	silentAnswer	Oh yeah I was curious about that
22:55	silentAnswer	Those lusus things
22:55	silentAnswer	They're basically intelligent animals right?
22:55	silentAnswer	But they can't talk?
22:55	stanzicApparati	They can talk. They just can't speak Alternian.
22:56	stanzicApparati	And yeah - most of them are about as smart as trolls, usually.
22:56	silentAnswer	Then how do you learn to speak?
22:56	stanzicApparati	...I never really thought about it, actually.
22:56	silentAnswer	By videos?
22:56	stanzicApparati	Hm.
22:56	tenaciousTheseus	I think that's where the schoolfeeding comes in
22:56	stanzicApparati	I don't think so?
22:56	stanzicApparati	Because I know I could talk /before/ I started schoolfeeding.
22:57	stanzicApparati	Like, I remember conversations with direwolfmom and Toni.
22:57	silentAnswer	Toni being another troll rather than a lusus?
22:57	stanzicApparati	Toni's a human, actually.
22:57	stanzicApparati	But otherwise, yes.
22:57	tenaciousTheseus	Oh, right
22:57	silentAnswer	Wow cool
22:57	silentAnswer	You had both?
22:58	stanzicApparati	Yep!
22:58	silentAnswer	Are you sue Toni didn't teach you?
22:58	stanzicApparati	Trolls and humans encountered each other a while after we both got space-flight capability, where I came from.
22:58	stanzicApparati	I'm sure.
22:58	stanzicApparati	Because I kept having to correct her on how to say my name!
22:58	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah, she doesn't seem like the type who would be a great teacher
22:58	soulHooks	huh...
22:59	soulHooks	well, trolls are psychic, right?
22:59	tenaciousTheseus	Only some
22:59	stanzicApparati	Some of us, yeah?
22:59	silentAnswer	Wait tT are you from that planet too?
22:59	tenaciousTheseus	Nope
22:59	soulHooks	maybe it just seeps into you from your brain wavey psychich woowoo stuff.
22:59	stanzicApparati	...and we all get daymares.
22:59	tenaciousTheseus	Toni's come on here occasionally
22:59	stanzicApparati	Huh.
22:59	stanzicApparati	Maybe that's how?
22:59	silentAnswer	Oh cool
22:59	stanzicApparati	Through the daymares?
22:59	tenaciousTheseus	Sure
22:59	tenaciousTheseus	Sounds plausible to me
22:59	soulHooks	yeah, sure!
22:59	tenaciousTheseus	A sort of species-wide subconscious
23:00	silentAnswer	So you're psychichally taught how to speak
23:00	stanzicApparati	Okay, so apparently screaming horror-dreams are good for something.
23:00	tenaciousTheseus	We assume
23:00	stanzicApparati	Who knew.
23:00	silentAnswer	That's... actually kinda plausible
23:00	soulHooks	you learns stuff through woowoo brain stuff!
23:00	soulHooks	every question answered forever.
23:01	silentAnswer	We're all learning things today
23:02	tenaciousTheseus	Yaaaay knowledge
23:02	silentAnswer	So am I right that "schoolfeeding" means "watching a whole bunch of educational videos"?
23:03	stanzicApparati	More or less, yeah.
23:03	stanzicApparati	Also a lot of tests and stuff.
23:03	silentAnswer	Sounds lonely
23:04	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah, us humans are taught at a nearby facility
23:04	tenaciousTheseus	That's where we get most of our social interactions
23:04	silentAnswer	In groups
23:04		*** eminenceGlasseye is now known as researchDevelopment
23:04		researchDevelopment has joined the memo
23:04	tenaciousTheseus	Hiya
23:04	researchDevelopment	Hello
23:04		--- aristocraticTerror is away (Auto away)
23:05	researchDevelopment	Ys everythyng doyng well here?
23:05	tenaciousTheseus	More or less
23:05	tenaciousTheseus	How's it going with whatshisface?
23:05	tenaciousTheseus	The Heart player
23:05	stanzicApparati	Hey, resdev.
23:05	researchDevelopment	He got too close to my chest yesterday, so Y had to break hys wryst agayn.
23:06	tenaciousTheseus	What was his handle, by the way?
23:06	researchDevelopment	He ys hard of learnyng, yt seems.
23:06	stanzicApparati	And I guess it was a bit lonely, silans? But I had Toni to talk with, and a lot of friends online. So it wasn't too bad.
23:06	stanzicApparati	Plus, I had direwolfmom and we explored a lot!
23:06	silentAnswer	Suddenly my problems with my own Heart player don't sound so bad
23:06	stanzicApparati	Oh - and swioar came in here earlier again, yeah.
23:07	stanzicApparati	I /think/ we got him to understand that he needs to knock it off?
23:07	stanzicApparati	Maybe.
23:07	silentAnswer	At least he knows when to back down and doesn't ACTUALLY do shit without your permission
23:07	silentAnswer	Except the once
23:07	researchDevelopment	Y hope that ys so.
23:07	soulHooks	i think i creeped him out by offering to hook out his shiny to fix him.
23:07	stanzicApparati	Dude, I think you creeped /everyone/ out with that.
23:07	soulHooks	which is what i was trying to do, so, you know. :3
23:07	soulHooks	hahaha!
23:07	soulHooks	i wouldn't actually do it!
23:07	stanzicApparati	Seriously, hooks do not go in chests.
23:08	researchDevelopment	Y agree.
23:08	soulHooks	they do when they're...
23:08	soulHooks	soulhooks.
23:08	silentAnswer	Ick
23:08	soulHooks	YEAAAAAAAAAH! B3
23:08	silentAnswer	I wasn't even there and that sounds disgusting
23:08	stanzicApparati	There's a reason you're supposed to not even wear -- dude, that's a /terrible/ pun and you should feel shame for it.
23:08	researchDevelopment	...Y fynd yt dysturbyng that you took your handle from that.
23:08	tenaciousTheseus	What
23:08	tenaciousTheseus	How
23:08	soulHooks	no shame.
23:08	soulHooks	no shame ever.
23:09	stanzicApparati	That's, like, only the second-most disturbing thing about his handle, resdev.
23:09	soulHooks	b^_^d
23:09	researchDevelopment	What ys the fyrst?
23:09	stanzicApparati	Well, for me, the first is the fact that he changed his handle to that.
23:09	stanzicApparati	From ghostHooks.
23:09	soulHooks	hehehe.
23:09	stanzicApparati	No particular reason beyond "it sounded cooler", either.
23:10	soulHooks	well it does!
23:10	silentAnswer	Aw, and he seemed like such a normal, well adjusted bumbler when he was just failing to explain genetics
23:10	silentAnswer	You mean he's really a psycho
23:10	stanzicApparati	Weird and creepy, dude.
23:10	silentAnswer	?
23:10	stanzicApparati	Weird. And. Creepy.
23:10	researchDevelopment	Ysn't everyone?
23:10	stanzicApparati	He's weird and creepy at the least, silans.
23:10	soulHooks	i'm noooot.
23:10	stanzicApparati	I dunno about psycho.
23:10	soulHooks	why do people think i'm crazy?
23:10	silentAnswer	Ok yeah that was too harst
23:10	silentAnswer	harsh
23:10	silentAnswer	I was just being silly
23:10	researchDevelopment	Because you use hooks to play wyth shynyes.
23:11	stanzicApparati	Yeah, that.
23:11	soulHooks	crochet hooks.
23:11	silentAnswer	That is a weird thing to do though
23:11	stanzicApparati	Also, you seem to be terrible at understanding social norms.
23:11	soulHooks	it's not like i'm using, idk, meathooks.
23:11	tenaciousTheseus	Doing the Heart thing is weird and creepy enough
23:11	soulHooks	meathooks do not go in chests, i would agree.
23:11	silentAnswer	Oh hey that reminds me
23:11	tenaciousTheseus	Adding hooks is just
23:11	tenaciousTheseus	Weird 
23:11	tenaciousTheseus	And creepy
23:11	stanzicApparati	Tenthe, hands in chests ar e-- wiat, you're agreeing, nm.
23:11	tenaciousTheseus	To the mac
23:11	tenaciousTheseus	*max
23:11	stanzicApparati	I think I probably need some sleep.
23:11	silentAnswer	Someone suggest something I can get my heart player to replace his Clawkind apparatus with
23:12	tenaciousTheseus	Heh, maybe
23:12	researchDevelopment	...now Y am ymagynyng you crochetyng wyth strands of shyny ynstead of yarn.
23:12	silentAnswer	Because suggesting FistKind backfired
23:12	soulHooks	i do that!
23:12	stanzicApparati	Swordkind?
23:12	soulHooks	it's fun. C:
23:12	soulHooks	only on imps, though.
23:12	stanzicApparati	Or gunkind, maybe.
23:12	researchDevelopment	...now Y am dysturbed.
23:12	tenaciousTheseus	Is he using his Clawkind in conjunction with the Heart thing?
23:12	stanzicApparati	...doesn't that tend to end /badly/?
23:12	silentAnswer	Well no
23:13	tenaciousTheseus	Then don't worry about it
23:13	tenaciousTheseus	Doesn't matter
23:13	silentAnswer	We've made it very clear that he is to put away the weapon before using the heart power
23:13	silentAnswer	And he usually does
23:13	stanzicApparati	'Usually'.
23:13	silentAnswer	But I'm worried at some point we're going to be in a hurry
23:13	stanzicApparati	Yeah, okay.
23:13	silentAnswer	Or a combat scenario
23:13	silentAnswer	and he's gonna forget he's wearing them
23:13	stanzicApparati	What does he like, besides claws?
23:14	stanzicApparati	Because swordkind might be viable.
23:14	researchDevelopment	Try clubkynd perhaps.
23:14	silentAnswer	(Psst I use swordkind)
23:14	silentAnswer	I think its less about what he likes
23:14	stanzicApparati	(So give him a copy!)
23:14	silentAnswer	And more about he has lots of practice with the claws
23:14	stanzicApparati	Hm.
23:15	silentAnswer	Plus when we gave him fistkind he discovered a stupid broken exploit
23:15	stanzicApparati	Well, clawkind's close-range. Needlekind's probably a close substitute?
23:15	silentAnswer	If you have fistkind and clawkind and you attack with claws, it counts as a punch AND a claw
23:15	silentAnswer	So you deal close to double damage
23:15	stanzicApparati	I'd suggest hookkind, but - well, soulHooks should neatly explain why I refuse to suggest that thing.
23:15	silentAnswer	It'll be a tough sell getting him to give that up
23:15	stanzicApparati	"Claws don't go in chests"
23:15	tenaciousTheseus	If he uses needlekind, he can make needlewands
23:15	stanzicApparati	"Also, needlewands"
23:16	tenaciousTheseus	You can make magic weapons with other specibii, but it's a lot harder
23:16	stanzicApparati	Crappy Toy Wand && Needles
23:16	tenaciousTheseus	And most, you just can't
23:16	soulHooks	oooh...
23:16	tenaciousTheseus	I mean, I'm certainly not going to make an axewand or a shotgunwand
23:16	stanzicApparati	Yeah, magic fans? Difficult to aim and expensive.
23:16	tenaciousTheseus	Although, admittedly, that would be kind of cool
23:16	stanzicApparati	Magic torpedoes? Not even possible.
23:17	soulHooks	magic soul hooks.
23:17	stanzicApparati	Toni's still miffed about that.
23:17	researchDevelopment	No.
23:17	soulHooks	i think this needs investigating.
23:17	silentAnswer	Huh that sounds like he might go with it
23:17	researchDevelopment	You are forbydden.
23:17	tenaciousTheseus	That can't happen
23:17	tenaciousTheseus	It's impossible
23:17	soulHooks	can't stop me~
23:17	tenaciousTheseus	We don't need to
23:17	tenaciousTheseus	Magic Soul hooks are not a thing that can happen
23:17	silentAnswer	It'd be a lot harder to accidentally stab someone with a weapon you have to actually hold in your hand than one that ATTACHES to the back of your hand
23:17	silentAnswer	Even if it's still sharp
23:17	stanzicApparati	Yep.
23:18	soulHooks	hehehe.
23:18	soulHooks	lemme make a crappy wand first.
23:18		soulHooks is AFK
23:18	researchDevelopment	Oh no.
23:18	silentAnswer	(PS when a time player talks about a hypothetical situation it may or may not be less hypothetical than they let on)
23:18	stanzicApparati	...that boy keeps adding to the list of reasons why he's not allowed within a hundred feet of my Shiny.
23:18	stanzicApparati	(No really?)
23:18	tenaciousTheseus	The only specibii you can make magic stuff with are needlekind, wandkind, staffkind, and knifekind
23:19	stanzicApparati	(Who would ever have guessed~)
23:19	stanzicApparati	(Certainly not the Mage of Time : P )
23:19	researchDevelopment	Y have a questyon for the humans yn the chat.
23:20	tenaciousTheseus	Shoot
23:20	stanzicApparati	Not a human, but I might be able to help?
23:20	stanzicApparati	Or I'll try, at least.
23:20	silentAnswer	Yeah I think it's our turn
23:20	researchDevelopment	How do you tell yf a lady recyprocates your feelyngs?
23:20	silentAnswer	Oh wow
23:20	tenaciousTheseus	Heh
23:20	tenaciousTheseus	Isn't that the question
23:20		soulHooks is no longer AFK
23:20	stanzicApparati	ehehehe
23:20	soulHooks	it's glowing purple.
23:20	soulHooks	good or bad sign?
23:20	researchDevelopment	Bad.
23:20	researchDevelopment	Destroy yt.
23:20	silentAnswer	Throw that thing away
23:20	soulHooks	well, it's not black...
23:20	silentAnswer	Down a volcano
23:21	soulHooks	and it cost a lot.
23:21	stanzicApparati	Yeah, that's...not really a good sign.
23:21	soulHooks	no, volcanos are for rings, dude.
23:21	stanzicApparati	Gristwidget that thing or toss it in the Vault.
23:21	tenaciousTheseus	Volcanos are for a lot of things
23:21	tenaciousTheseus	They are versatile mountains
23:21	soulHooks	gonna gristwidget it, i guess.
23:21	researchDevelopment	My questyon, though?
23:21	tenaciousTheseus	Well
23:21	tenaciousTheseus	It depends
23:21	tenaciousTheseus	A lot
23:21	silentAnswer	That's tricky
23:22	silentAnswer	For starters
23:22	tenaciousTheseus	Too much for us to answer definitively
23:22		--- aristocraticTerror is back
23:22	soulHooks	what's the question?
23:22	soulHooks	hooking up with babes?
23:22	silentAnswer	NO
23:22	tenaciousTheseus	How can you tell if a human woman is interested
23:22	silentAnswer	Well not exactly
23:22	researchDevelopment	Kyndly never use the term hookyng up, soulHooks.
23:22	tenaciousTheseus	And because you refered to it as that, you don't get to answer
23:22	soulHooks	... hahahaha!
23:23	soulHooks	oh jeeze, i didn't even mean to pun there.
23:23	soulHooks	X3
23:23	silentAnswer	How does she react when you try to talk to her?
23:23	soulHooks	has she ever grabbed you by the front of your shirt and kissed you?
23:23	researchDevelopment	...normally? What kynd of questyon ys that?
23:23	soulHooks	that's usually a good sign.
23:24	researchDevelopment	Hooks, kyndly shut up.
23:24	soulHooks	
23:24	soulHooks	can't make me.
23:24	soulHooks	but i will, for you.
23:24	tenaciousTheseus	Just ignore him
23:24	tenaciousTheseus	Anyways
23:24	silentAnswer	I think tT has ban powers
23:24	tenaciousTheseus	Does she like spending time with you?
23:24	silentAnswer	So we can
23:24	tenaciousTheseus	Heh
23:25	researchDevelopment	She does seem to enjoy our brawls, but Y am not sure yf she means yt the same way Y do.
23:25	silentAnswer	Brawks?
23:25	silentAnswer	brawls?
23:25	tenaciousTheseus	As a quick note:
23:25	tenaciousTheseus	Humans don't do kismesitude
23:25	stanzicApparati	Black romance, silans.
23:25	silentAnswer	Humans don't do your black quadrant stuff
23:25	stanzicApparati	Not all humans do.
23:25	tenaciousTheseus	Sorry
23:25	stanzicApparati	Some do.
23:25	tenaciousTheseus	Most of them don't
23:26	researchDevelopment	That ys unfortunate.
23:26	silentAnswer	Has she ever had the concept explained to her?
23:26	silentAnswer	Because if not
23:26	silentAnswer	Then even if she is somehow enjoying it
23:26	stanzicApparati	Some of you manage to get it - but, yeah. You should ask her if she understands quadrants and if she means it the way you think she does.
23:26	soulHooks	i think if you wanna do this the troll way, you'll have to, like. talk to the girl about her feelings for you.
23:26	soulHooks	which may be totally awkward, but worth it.
23:26	silentAnswer	She's not looking at this from the same perspective you are
23:28	researchDevelopment	Y am not sure. One of the other trolls took yt on herself to handle cultural yssues, but as you can see from Oars she clearly has not been successful.
23:28	tenaciousTheseus	Well
23:28	tenaciousTheseus	He's a moron
23:28	tenaciousTheseus	Don't use him as your yardstick
23:28	silentAnswer	Who's oars?
23:28	stanzicApparati	I suspect he's also flushed for her.
23:28	stanzicApparati	That or pale. One of the two.
23:28	tenaciousTheseus	Well
23:28	tenaciousTheseus	That would be a good start
23:29	tenaciousTheseus	What is your feelings for her?
23:29	tenaciousTheseus	*Are
23:29	silentAnswer	Oh wow this girl has a lovely mess on her plate doesn't she
23:29	stanzicApparati	Could be worse?
23:29	silentAnswer	Two trolls crushing on her in different "quadrants"
23:29	stanzicApparati	And Oars isn't a troll.
23:29	stanzicApparati	He's a human. He's also the Heart player in resdev's session.
23:29	silentAnswer	Oh well that helps
23:30	researchDevelopment	She ynfuryates me.
23:30	tenaciousTheseus	Well, that answers that, I guess
23:30		aristocraticTerror has connected to the memo
23:30	tenaciousTheseus	Sorry, but I think humans need to have grown up with kismesitude as a thing for it to be viable
23:30	tenaciousTheseus	Also hello
23:30	silentAnswer	Hi
23:30	researchDevelopment	Hello.
23:31		*** Zuki is now known as futureVentricularPipefitter
23:31	aristocraticTerror	Hey. I didn't grow up with Kismessitude. Didn't bother to talk with the trolls about troll stuff before the game?
23:31		futureVentricularPipefitter has entered the memo
23:31	aristocraticTerror	Hello there.
23:31	stanzicApparati	Hey. : )
23:31	tenaciousTheseus	Hiya
23:31	stanzicApparati	Hey, Pipes.
23:31	futureVentricularPipefitter	Not actually true, but much less common.
23:31		futureVentricularPipefitter blinks.
23:31	stanzicApparati	Oh - intinf is probably gonna want to talk to you at some point.
23:31	futureVentricularPipefitter	Who is using Eddy's computer?
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23:31	stanzicApparati	His sprite.
23:31	tenaciousTheseus	Bryn
23:32	futureVentricularPipefitter	Bryn?
23:32	stanzicApparati	Brynsprite.
23:32	aristocraticTerror	Yes, Bryn.
23:32	futureVentricularPipefitter	Yes I know /that/
23:32	aristocraticTerror	Who's in your session?
23:32	futureVentricularPipefitter	Yervoy, actually.
23:32	futureVentricularPipefitter	And I'm friends with Abel.
23:32	researchDevelopment	She has thys most yrrytatyng cackle when she manages to bruyse me...
23:32	aristocraticTerror	Ah. How are they doing?
23:33		--- ebullientBeauty is back
23:33	stanzicApparati	Hee. And I'm guessing you manage to tag her back as often as she gets you?
23:34		--- radiantSkies is back
23:34		radiantSkies has connected to the memo
23:34	tenaciousTheseus	Hello
23:34	silentAnswer	Huh that does sound suspiciously like how black romance has been explained so far
23:34	futureVentricularPipefitter	They don't speak of you often, but, very well.
23:34	radiantSkies	Hey~.
23:34	silentAnswer	Maybe you do stand a chance?
23:34	stanzicApparati	Hello, radski.
23:34	silentAnswer	Is there a third party in your session who understands both cultures enough to give an opinion?
23:34	aristocraticTerror	It's good that they don't dwell on me. Eddy does enough of that.
23:34	silentAnswer	Besides the one who's apparently a moron?
23:35	futureVentricularPipefitter	I...hm. I don't know if they /aren't/. Dwelling, that is. But, in private, I'd suspect.
23:35	researchDevelopment	Y am not sure the humans understand, and the trolls seem to thynk Y am a fool.
23:36		aristocraticTerror nods
23:36		futureVentricularPipefitter PMs aristocraticTerror (...what keepsake is he using to prototype with you? It's...it's a funny sort of afterlife you have.)
23:36	aristocraticTerror	Still, it's good to hear they're doing okay. How's Yer treating you?
23:37	silentAnswer	In that case you might have to buckle up and ask her
23:37	silentAnswer	The good news is, it sounds like the worst she can say is she doesn't get it
23:37	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah, I can't think of a better solution
23:37	silentAnswer	Which is better than the usual scenario
23:37	silentAnswer	When the worst she can say is no
23:37	tenaciousTheseus	Which is better than what I got, pre entry
23:38	silentAnswer	At least you'll know it's nothing wrong with you
23:38	tenaciousTheseus	Which was mainly scorn and occasionally a beating
23:38	silentAnswer	I thought you said you were human
23:38	silentAnswer	I'm confused again
23:38		aristocraticTerror PMs futureVentricularPipefitter: (Vial of blood. I made a set of them for every surviving coplayer, with vials that contained a touch of aspect energy from all the coplayers we started with. You know, in hopes of the Ultimate Reward, starting off anew. Even if there was only one of us, they had a box with the genes and a chip with the explanations on...)
23:38	tenaciousTheseus	Well
23:38	tenaciousTheseus	Yes
23:38	researchDevelopment	Y wyll see try.
23:38	tenaciousTheseus	I got scorn poured on me whenever I tried
23:39	tenaciousTheseus	In the "How could you ever think someone like me would like someone like you?"
23:39	tenaciousTheseus	Followed by mocking laughter
23:39		aristocraticTerror PMs futureVentricularPipefitter: (...how to do things, in case the scenario was starting off with nothing but equipment, right? It's not like the game was clear on whether they'd dump you into a fully-functioning society or not.)
23:39	tenaciousTheseus	And the news spreading throughout the school
23:39	silentAnswer	Ok so you mean attempts at normal dating
23:39	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah
23:39	silentAnswer	I thought you were talking about something related to this kismesis stuff
23:39	tenaciousTheseus	Sometimes I would ask someone who already had a boyfriend
23:39	tenaciousTheseus	And they would kick my ass for daring to ask out their girl
23:40	tenaciousTheseus	But they all died in the meteors, so fuck them all
23:40	silentAnswer	I'd say mocking laughter is a good indicator that you're lucky you WEREN'T forced to put up with that person for however long it took the relationship to run its course
23:40	tenaciousTheseus	Heh
23:40		researchDevelopment has left the memo
23:40	futureVentricularPipefitter	Yer is...
23:40	tenaciousTheseus	Yeah, true
23:41	futureVentricularPipefitter	You know, I thought he was going to be much more caustic and trollish when he first came in here.
23:41		*** researchDevelopment quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
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23:41	aristocraticTerror	He... can be pretty abrasive.
23:42	futureVentricularPipefitter	And yet, at others: *such* a softy. Damn near took his hand off (Scout of Law) making a show of making nice and friendly with our hob.
23:42	aristocraticTerror	But he's a /really/ good person if you can just see past that.
23:42	aristocraticTerror	A hob, huh?
23:42	aristocraticTerror	Yeah, I suppose he would do that.
23:42	futureVentricularPipefitter	At least one documented hob session, yes. We've got two of their Replayers here so far.
23:43	aristocraticTerror	Good to hear.
23:43		futureVentricularPipefitter PMs aristocraticTerror (Quite elaborate. I applaud. But...hm. Not a quite afterlife, yours.)
23:45	futureVentricularPipefitter	((*quiet))
23:46	silentAnswer	So anyways
23:46		aristocraticTerror PMs futureVentricularPipefitter: (Thanks. Actually, the research I did on troll and human genetics might prove useful. Hybrids are /possible/, so I wouldn't be surprised if a session or two crop up eventually. And that might come with a slew of problems, complicationss... I did a lot of theorywork with the sprites about genetic stabililization and stuff.)
23:46	silentAnswer	I guess I should get back to my session
23:47	silentAnswer	I think the best course of action is probably just to separate the two for a while
23:47		aristocraticTerror PMs futureVentricularPipefitter: (So, if you find yourself needing any of that...)
23:47		aristocraticTerror PMs futureVentricularPipefitter: (...or, anyone else, really...)
23:47		aristocraticTerror PMs futureVentricularPipefitter: (Abel'd be the best to ask.)
23:47	tenaciousTheseus	Probably for the best
23:47	tenaciousTheseus	See you later
23:48	tenaciousTheseus	Good luck
23:48	silentAnswer	They've been adventuring together for a while for pragmatic reasons but we've got four other people who could really use a class that has "protect a teammate" in the job description
23:48	aristocraticTerror	So, have you heard tell of anyone else from the session surviving?
23:48		futureVentricularPipefitter PMs "Bryn" (Did you hear what happened to him?)
23:48	futureVentricularPipefitter	Mm, which session?
23:48	silentAnswer	Alright, goodbye everyone
23:48	tenaciousTheseus	The hob one?
23:49	stanzicApparati	Later, silans.
23:49	tenaciousTheseus	Bye
23:49		silentAnswer has left the memo
23:49	stanzicApparati	Good luck.