12:03 Godric
well the house will impeach him and the senate will not convict
Godric
just like clintion
EonEcho
Godric: Should Donald Trump be removed from office?
Godric
should? I dunno. its shitty either way
Godric
will Prez Pence be good? i dunno.
Godric
^
Godric
thats 1/2 the circus
EonEcho
Why would it be shitty if Donald Trump is removed from office?
Godric
its arguable they like trump
12:07 EonEcho
You've indicated you're morally reasoning by evaluating outcomes. What do you think about the usage of principles?
Godric
but both trump and pence push the same GOP platform to the T
Godric
would Pence's SCJ picks be better then trumps?
Godric
doubtful
EonEcho
Godric: Have you noticed you've not yet once leveraged principles?
EonEcho
I've noticed.
EonEcho
I find it fairly shocking.
Godric
im not worried about what you are noticing
12:10 EonEcho
Okay.
EonEcho
I put you on ignore for three weeks, Godric.
EonEcho
That you, apparently, don't include a notion of principles *whatsoever* into your moral calculations of some of the most important issues facing our nation to be astounding and deeply revealing of your character as a human being.
EonEcho
https://pastebin.com/cCj7nYEq
EonEcho
Here's a memorialization of the encounter.
EonEcho
I'll now answer my own questions:
EonEcho
Trump clearly and deeply violated his role as president, directly harming American democracy.
12:12 EonEcho
Therefore, he must be removed from office.
EonEcho
If you ask me, "But what happens then?"
EonEcho
My response: "I don't care."
EonEcho
Why don't I care?
12:13 EonEcho
What is the archetype of every hero you've ever seen in every film and ever novel ever created by humans?
EonEcho
The hero is placed in a context where something *should* happen, but others are not doing it because they're not capable, or they're afraid, or they don't know what to do. The hero identifies what is to be done, and then decisively acts.
EonEcho
We tell this story to each other over and over and over and over and over and over again because it's what we deeply value.
EonEcho
We seek heroes.
12:15 EonEcho
So, again, responding to "Should we impeach president Trump?", when, apparently, full adults seem utterly confused and can't figure out how to act, just step forward and state, "Fine, I'll do it myself."
EonEcho
The ability to maintain an orientation towards truth and justice in an authoritarian or totalitarian or unjust society is one of the greatest achievements anybody can accomplish.
EonEcho
You don't need anybody to go with you. You know what is true. Act.