#rimworld So I've only been playing for a few days... I see I see but I read an article about anger directed at Rimworld from the LGBTQ community then you might just want to play vanilla for a while Yeah, that's what I'm thinking n lol theyre always angry at something, overprivileged spoiled children Well, I don't know... it's kinda funny... and maybe also grimly realistic rimworld is a work of art and dont let any gender bender crybaby tell you otherwise So the specific issue... and maybe this has been modified since early access... rimworld is the tool that lets our inner sadistic cannibal/organ merchant/corpse eater out was basically that gay people were making colonists sad there weren't many gay characters... they make me sad when they make stupid claims like that so they couldn't easily pair off... they've ruined so many movies, tv shows, games because of their whining i don't know why people even care about what they say and the advances of straight characters were therefore rebuffed again and again... kinda realistic, isn't it right... and so the upshot... was that gay characters made colonies sad overall I meaaaaaaan they probably would irl and there was incentive to imprison and execute them a colonist doesnt need to be gay for me to imprison and execute them i do that to anyone hahaha right... i'm fair like that but the point was that there was actually consistent incentive to target gays specifically wah wah wah so this brings up some interesting questions... they always like playing victim for no reason is there a real-world parallel? but I'm thinking... probably you gotta ask yourself why are all the conservative cultures even today are strongly against LGBT maybe gayness in a community is only a problem when its hidden in fact most of the world is, aside from the western culture (western europe and north america) right... why does anybody care? and maybe this is it it's only a problem when whiny kids keep playing the victim card when it's really a personal problem, not a sexual preference one it's a fake issue maybe on some level having gay people people actually does hurt society which sounds like a terrible thing to say... now hold on there hitler junior but hear me out... in the rimworld universe it would only be a problem if it wasn't obvious that a character was gay... I dont think that's something that's easy to hide even in survival conditions if a person was openly gay in rimworld, I'm guessing, that character wouldn't cause so much sadness yeah I have a gay character in my current colony but she's one of my top skilled colonists and never causes problems the straight characters would no not to try with those gay characters I'm thinking that dynamic might have been adjusted... because of the negative press rimworld has a lot of absurd mood debuffs So anyway, my thesis is... * kmaj (~kmaj@kmaj.users.quakenet.org) has joined open gayness is better for society =D hmm hmmm? sorry, kmaj you came in at a weird time understandable i think kmaj can help us reach a solution yes splendid don't you mean open gayness is better for the LGBT? not necessarily for the entire society do you see gay people hitting on straight people irl Long story short, Rimworld received some negative press because of an unintentional social dynamic that favored the elimination of gay Rimworld characters i think the eliminations part is the fault of the players not the game like the game doesnt force you to kill your own colonists Oh sure... as I said, rimworld lets our inner satan out but basically it did unintentionally make gay characters undesirable to the group in Rimworld gay people actually did erode society for example I like to imprison and beat the shit out of colonists that develop drug addictions they could have avoided the controversy by not adding gay colonists in the first place, think about it Yeah, but that's less interesting, kmaj that would cause an even bigger uproar think of all the modern games today that have a large playerbase there can't be an uproar if there's no event to trigger it remember BF5 I actually love that these weird little social dynamics emerge from fairly simple rules you gotta have your quota of cripples gays blacks and asians or you'll get shat on but I was extrapolating to society at large... I mean real human society bf5 was like that because ea wanted it like that I think Rimworld might have hit on something... this says a lot about our society well gays have never been eliminated from any human society, even the ultra conservative ones Oh, they absolutely have not even in chechenia People have been executed for homosexuality in particularly hardline societies and I've always been confused about why anybody cares that much yes but that's only a small part well it's probably just the way they behave even in less hardline societies... people seem to care about it more than they should and also because they're not "part of the majority" since the majority is still straight and white and the question is...why? depends on the society =D I'm guessing you're American well ok i'm still mostly talking about the western world indeed anyway, I'm utterly fascinated by this... of course Rimworld can't actually model the full complexity of the real human world... as I said, whether it's sexuality or anything else, the majority is always disgusted at minorities, depending on what it is we're talking about, in varying degrees yet...hahaha but... maybe there are some interesting insights that shone through uninentionally *unintentionally such as............ Like some hints to why homosexuality is attacked odd question Yeah first of all, just because it's different to the majority's setting is enough to be targeted but I'm not seeing anybody asking it what is the root of anti-homosexual sentiment in society? second of all it reduces birth rates which has been very important for countries in the previous centuries, it's not that important now do you think it's just an interfacing thing? I mean... people want social elements standardized to make life easier, maybe like how we all want the same electronic ports standardized... thirdly it goes against the "overall assumption" as to how youre going to live your life just for simplicity see in conservative societies your entire life is planned out for you by the society and being gay and everything involved in that is not part of the plan I suppose that's more efficient in some ways because everybody knows what to expect yes and they can talk the same social language thats why everyone wants to get you to try to be "normal" so that you can be predictable which makes you easier to surpass I suppose the risks in such societies are due to a lack of robustness I mean, if conditions change... and the old paradigms don't work... work for hwat there isn't a diverse pool of alternative social strategies to draw from is there a goal of any society other than to exist for survival of the group, I suppose good point... and in modern times in the western world there is no threat to existing, sort of and now we have to get into a discussion of hierarchies of nested evolutionary selection I mean there's the nuclear end of the world but that's outside of the control of individual societies and hence the beauty of Rimworld... and now I can justify playing it it forces an examination of social dynamics there was no justification needed it simply must be played forever