so for the cup, do you think i will must stop the inscription at 16players which were those questions you brought up regarding the cup? will eliminatories it's the best 16->8->4->2->winner ? how many are there now? 12 i think i think more urgent than fixing the number of players is to define how it will be carried out. like will all games take place at the same day, at the same time? some players may not be available on some day and others not on other days so even if you have 16 players who enrolled they may not be able to make it then all the planning is void ;) dadadu66: hiho you could say if someone can't take part on the date(s) you set, then this player looses, this helps with planning i think we must let at the players "arrange" the hours with their adversary hey basxto :) just the time of day, on a fixed day, or also the date when they'll play? it is a major turn off if people have to arrange these things with each other chances are it will never happen then unless you provide a very easy way for them to arrange it I think the players can do the math when they want, but a deadline will must fixed, and if they exceed this deadline, they will have a date fixed for the match, what do you think ? should think that the players put their availability: day and time, and why not a way to contact: skype ... etc i agree we need a fixed deadline for enrollment, is this what you meant? i also think we should set fixed dates for the games to take place. and keep the time of day flexible No, this date is already fixed for enrollment, i think for every turn or match in my experience arranging an online meeting with participants from different locations and timezones can be facilitated by using a service such as http://doodle.ccom and http://www.timeanddate.com/ yes it's that, but i think, for very turn we let a week to do the match then if the sunday morning, the match haven't been done, we fixed a time on the day and the player absent = lose, two player absent = lose, else if the match will be done at this date yes this 2site could be nice indeed, i don't know ^^ we must pay attention to the different time zones that would put us into the position of having to fix something on sunday morning for several weeks in a row. i don't want to be in that position. and short term notice of s fixed time will not work either IMO how about this: we set fixed dates for each of the rounds to take place. and we decide who will compete whom initially, randomly or in an attempt to balance things. and we ask players to find the time of day with their opponent on those days we set the rounds to. Yes it would become complicated... rounds are played on both saturdays sundays yes why not players must set the time of day when they'll play at least 1 days in advance. if a player doesn't respond until 1 day in advance he looses this round else if, we fixe a date, but if the two players are agree to do the match another day, they could organize that if they warn actually i have a feeling we need to set several fixed times for each round for the players to choose from. so we propone fixed time, and players chose on a time list ? need we and arbiter ? if you allow players to play a round on some other day which is later than the "official day" then you get into trouble because the next round may already need to start then. they will wait no ? ;) i think we should set both fixed dates for each round, and some fixed time of days which cover all timezones our community is from, and have players choose from those (every player has to mark at least one of these choices) until two days before the round takes place, and then we announce when the match will be played (or if someone doesn't respond in time we will declare the other player the winner of this round, or if nonone replies, it will be draw there) yes why not it's a good idea, but if someplayers decide play before the date because they can't at the date ? yes i guess that'll be fine but they would have to arrange for that themselves so they will can if they organize that themselve ? i think that's a good exception tot he rule, yes okay :) so i agree :) other question : need we an arbiter ? a screenshot or the play.mg will be reasonable ? Limit we the enrollment at 16players ? here's an example doodle: http://doodle.com/rgbc36s6cti52fxd we'd need to create one for every group for every date, and make sure we send those to the participants. what do we do if a player bug ? -> i think, if he bug before 10minutes playing, we try angain, or else we look the score : if the bugged player will win we try again, or else we look the score and consider the nobugged like the winner ? then, by the doodle deadline, we'd need to check whether they voted there, and have to decide when it will actually take place, or whether one looses because he diod not vote, or whether it is draw because none of them voted or they could not find a mathcing time. the first round could be grouped by timezones yes good idea basxto good suggestion, basxto yes i understand tomr, it could be a good idea... about the rounds themselves, personally i would be very strict about players getting disconnected. otherwise people will abuse this ("oh i had a bad start, i will just duscinnect now so we'll start again") when we will end the enrollment, i think we could send a message to know, what the county of the persons, their disponibility, their mail or skype...etc no ? i would be ok with exactly one retry if the game fails within the first 5 minutes who gets disconnected before the game finishes, looses. only who is listed as winner on play.mg is a winner yes 5or10minutes, and we can restard also if the bugged player had advantageous positions = highscores that also mean players will need to remain connected to the end of the game, or they will not win until after the end of the game, more precisely ah okay, yes and wait the "vous avez gagné" *you have won i don't want to have to be an observer on all games, or even have to be present during all the games or all the rounds. so i think we need to be able to rely on play.mg for the game results. yes, players will need to wait for this message yes i think the same thing : i haven't the time to assist at every round... okay ;) so about limitng enrollment: i don't think we actually need to limit it yes but imagine (all the people... :p ) if there's an uneven number then the extra player will be lucky and will just win in the first round if we have 17players ah yes, you answer at my future question :p well yes we should not have 100 players during our first ever cup, that's true ;) yes ^^ but i don't think there is a nydanger this is going to happen ;) my guess is of those who have enrolled so far, 70% will actually take part maybe less so having some more players enrolled would not hurt yes it's true : that's why we don't must wait too much : else much of players won't playe *play right a cup which spans over more than a month will not work out one month is already quite much, but might work as a maximum yes if we have 4 rounds (16 players) and play on saturdays and sundays, or wednesdays and sundays (maybe that's better so players can play more flexibly in advance), then it's just 2 weeks, which is fine. have you the possibilities to do a mail at every registered automatically ? if we use doodle we can send invitations to these players through doodle. or we could do it manually, both works. 4rounds =4weeks no ? and i can get theeir e-mail addresses from the forum i'd like to play 2 rounds per week i'm afraid it wiil be difficult 2round/week no ? yes but to know the country of every body for the first round ? i think we can probably find out their countries (have you got skype ? ) no How ? with IP ? ok ^^ yes, the forum stores the users' ip addresses okay let's do 1 round / week this time, but only if we do not get more than 16 players if more than 16 will enroll, then we should have 2 rounds / week okay ;) i think riderstyler and mister mac will join me i don't know, only if it's more easy(if there are 15players :p ) i think sunday (1 round/week) or wednesday and sunday (2 rounds / week) makes sense, and allows players most flexibility in playing on a different time/date in advance I only have mail, irc and xmpp … I guess mail would be a common thread sunday or saturday riderstyler won't join unless he actually responds to his forum account activation e-mail. he's about to fail this for the second time now ;) ahah :p basxto: yes i think we should use e-mail exclusively for communication with players. wednesday *mhm … could be bad how time has he to respond at the activation ? yes i think wednesday could be complicated... dadadu66: i'm not sure about saturday vs sunday. i assume sunday can be better since it allows players to play on saturday instead if they prefer. yes that i thought so sunday? we could propone sunday'time AND saturday's time ? or sunday and the persons who can't, organize themelves another day hmm yes you're right we could propose times during both sunday and saturday for them to choose from yes tomr :) dadadu66: okay, so now that we've come up with a good way to carry out the cup, we need to write it down cleanly. and explain it to the participants. yes i wiil do that as you like :) (but not now :p ) (i must to work :p ) we can ask for more comments amongst those who already enrolled. and in a few days we can fix the dates. and after enrollment is over, we can create the doodles' i can try to sum up what i think we ended up with if that's ok with you and sorry, i wasn't aware you are working today