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  2. [08/17/2019]
  3. 13:07 [Savagerune]: never been a fan of addons like that personally
  4. 13:09 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ye, im just reading stuff rn dude
  5. 13:10 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: and i cannot see what im doing wrong
  6. 13:10 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: like its not even delusion
  7. 13:10 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: cause i know for a fact my dps is fkn random
  8. 13:10 [Savagerune]: okay lets break this down again
  9. 13:10 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: 16-34k
  10. 13:10 [Savagerune]: We know exactly what your doing wrong
  11. 13:10 [Savagerune]: Your not pressing your spells
  12. 13:11 [Savagerune]: its not feeling or whatever thats what the logs and websites tell us
  13. 13:11 [Savagerune]: so what it likely means is your getting distracted or panicking
  14. 13:11 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: def not panicking, very comfortable with tacs
  15. 13:11 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: distracted maybe
  16. 13:12 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: but im super into the fight once its on, clicking like crazy on all the glowing shit
  17. 13:13 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: using trinks
  18. 13:13 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: big cd's
  19. 13:13 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: inq refresh at 11-19sec to get full effect
  20. 13:13 [Savagerune]: ahhhhhhh
  21. 13:13 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: sure i forget it sometimes.. but generally
  22. 13:13 [Savagerune]: your a clicker
  23. 13:13 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: no
  24. 13:14 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i actually thought twice about that too
  25. 13:14 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: wondering if itd be misunderstood :p
  26. 13:14 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i use keybindings and everyting
  27. 13:14 [Savagerune]: good stary
  28. 13:14 [Savagerune]: liek legit no shade
  29. 13:14 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: q e r t f g x v
  30. 13:14 [Savagerune]: start*
  31. 13:15 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: and ^+ Shft
  32. 13:16 [Savagerune]: how good is your pc?
  33. 13:16 [Savagerune]: i have an idea
  34. 13:17 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: 16gb ram 770gtw i5?
  35. 13:17 [Savagerune]: thinking could you record yourself playing?
  36. 13:17 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: like i said, man "/
  37. 13:17 [Savagerune]: something like nvidia shadowplay or fraps
  38. 13:17 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: read all the guieds
  39. 13:17 [Savagerune]: just watch it back
  40. 13:17 [Savagerune]: yourself
  41. 13:17 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: so i even set my grahpics to lowest
  42. 13:17 [Savagerune]: but thats the point dude
  43. 13:17 [Savagerune]: You know what to press
  44. 13:18 [Savagerune]: but your not doing it
  45. 13:18 [Savagerune]: so watching yourself back you might see why thats happening
  46. 13:18 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ye, so record a m+ run?
  47. 13:18 [Savagerune]: Yh
  48. 13:18 [Savagerune]: and then watch it back
  49. 13:18 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: wont that affect gameplay?
  50. 13:19 [Savagerune]: i mean you could go do a 5
  51. 13:19 [Savagerune]: doesn't mnatter
  52. 13:19 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: it does
  53. 13:19 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i promise
  54. 13:19 [Savagerune]: try it
  55. 13:19 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: doing WAY more dps on lower keys
  56. 13:19 [Savagerune]: worst case recording makes it worse
  57. 13:19 [Savagerune]: well try recording the 10
  58. 13:19 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: 12
  59. 13:19 [Savagerune]:  whatever
  60. 13:19 [Savagerune]: cause not to be a dick
  61. 13:19 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ye just so we talking about the same
  62. 13:20 [Savagerune]: your dps was low enough in the last one it won't matter
  63. 13:20 [Savagerune]: Okay real talk
  64. 13:20 [Savagerune]: I used to be like you
  65. 13:20 [Savagerune]: i started in MoP
  66. 13:20 [Savagerune]: I thought I was great, I recorded stuff uploaded it to youtube for my guild
  67. 13:21 [Savagerune]: looking back now know what i know
  68. 13:21 [Savagerune]: I was DOGSHIT
  69. 13:21 [Savagerune]: since then I have raided in both Scrub Busters and Pieces
  70. 13:21 [Savagerune]: We all start somewhere
  71. 13:22 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i started as WL in vanilla
  72. 13:22 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: quit in cata came back legion
  73. 13:22 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: stayed since
  74. 13:22 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: and Legion was waay better time for pala
  75. 13:23 [Savagerune]: again
  76. 13:23 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: even if i admit im doing wrong legion was still generally better
  77. 13:23 [Savagerune]: you need to udnerstand paladin is ina good place here
  78. 13:23 [Savagerune]: its fine
  79. 13:24 [Savagerune]: let me put it this way too you
  80. 13:24 [Savagerune]: the last boss on mythic
  81. 13:24 [Savagerune]: paladin is the 8th most played dps spec
  82. 13:25 [Savagerune]: out of 25 specs
  83. 13:25 [Savagerune]: that dps
  84. 13:25 [Savagerune]: only 13 have a logged kill of azshara mythic
  85. 13:26 [Savagerune]: paladin is in a good place
  86. 13:27 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i know for a fact there are alot of us struggling aswell
  87. 13:27 [Savagerune]: thats because a lot of people are bad atm
  88. 13:27 [Savagerune]: melee is hard for everyone
  89. 13:28 [Savagerune]: cause every guild needs a warrior and a dh and probably a rogue
  90. 13:28 [Savagerune]: fury is very strong
  91. 13:28 [Savagerune]: and stacking melee is bad
  92. 13:28 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: no surv tho
  93. 13:28 [Savagerune]: lul
  94. 13:28 [Savagerune]: Surv will always suffer from, why aren't you just playing a ranged spec
  95. 13:29 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: if you drop under 20% on warr and your bloodthirst is on cd youre fucked
  96. 13:29 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: lol
  97. 13:29 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ranged
  98. 13:29 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ew
  99. 13:29 [Savagerune]: what
  100. 13:29 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: so fkn boring
  101. 13:29 [Savagerune]: more confused by first sentence
  102. 13:29 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: with exception of maybe warlock
  103. 13:30 [Savagerune]: bloodhtirst is a 4 second cd why are you fucked
  104. 13:30 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: cause from 20% hp anything worth killing will kill you before you can use it to effectively heal with it
  105. 13:31 [Savagerune]: i have no iudea what you are on about
  106. 13:32 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: just survivability on warriors
  107. 13:32 [Savagerune]: esiest way to avboid droppin
  108. 13:32 [Savagerune]: don't stand in shit
  109. 13:32 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: obv, but youre gonna get hit by something
  110. 13:32 [Savagerune]: and if something is pulling you down below 20% health and will kill you in less than 4 seconds after that yhour pretty dead anyway
  111. 13:32 [Savagerune]: repeatedly?
  112. 13:33 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: bursting?
  113. 13:33 [Savagerune]: commanding shout
  114. 13:33 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: well ye like, there are ways
  115. 13:33 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: but its nothing close to a pala
  116. 13:33 [Savagerune]: and if you die either your group killed you by carrying on dpsing ton get too mnay stacks or your healers shit :p
  117. 13:34 [Savagerune]: true
  118. 13:34 [Savagerune]: The word of glory's you do
  119. 13:34 [Savagerune]: fucking rare
  120. 13:34 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: No
  121. 13:34 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: dude
  122. 13:34 [Savagerune]: no no
  123. 13:34 [Savagerune]: its rare to see people do it
  124. 13:34 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ok
  125. 13:34 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ait
  126. 13:34 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: cause i fkn spend so much time off healing
  127. 13:34 [Savagerune]: put there was other stuff you could have doine in that dungeon
  128. 13:34 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: LoH and WoG
  129. 13:35 [Savagerune]: you know the second to last boss
  130. 13:35 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: Council
  131. 13:35 [Savagerune]: the one I told you to bubble
  132. 13:35 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i did tho
  133. 13:35 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: and i interrupted the poison nova like twice
  134. 13:35 [Savagerune]: do yhou know why i told you to do that
  135. 13:36 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: got got by axes i think
  136. 13:36 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: that or barrel
  137. 13:36 [Savagerune]: no no
  138. 13:36 [Savagerune]: this is it see
  139. 13:36 [Savagerune]: so the axes give you a 6 second nasty bleed right?
  140. 13:36 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: so to dispell
  141. 13:36 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ye?
  142. 13:37 [Savagerune]: no
  143. 13:37 [Savagerune]: there is another axe
  144. 13:37 [Savagerune]: [Severing Axe]
  145. 13:37 [Savagerune]: [Whirling Axes]
  146. 13:37 [Savagerune]: whirling is the ones on the floor
  147. 13:38 [Savagerune]: but she also throws [Severing Axe] at someone
  148. 13:38 [Savagerune]: it last 20 seconds and it hurts like hewll
  149. 13:38 [Savagerune]: so you got that
  150. 13:38 [Savagerune]: thats why i told you to bubble
  151. 13:39 [Savagerune]: but before you the shaman got it
  152. 13:39 [Savagerune]: and you could have boped it off him
  153. 13:39 [Savagerune]: like what your doing now is good
  154. 13:39 [Savagerune]: but it could be even better :D
  155. 13:40 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: thats annoying af, cause i also feel like my grp play is better than my dps.. -.-
  156. 13:40 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: im gonna go smoke
  157. 13:40 [Savagerune]: your group play is pretty good
  158. 13:40 [Savagerune]: your dps is shit
  159. 13:40 [Savagerune]: so yoru right
  160. 13:40 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: after that im running more mythics and maybe record
  161. 13:40 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: se wtf is going on
  162. 13:40 [Savagerune]: sounds good!
  163. 13:41 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: im hoping so
  164. 13:42 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: btw
  165. 13:42 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: just for the record
  166. 13:43 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: the druid didnt do so hot either
  167. 13:43 [Savagerune]: thew druid is gearing up
  168. 13:43 [Savagerune]: and did 25% more dmg than you
  169. 13:43 [Savagerune]: 10 ilvls below you
  170. 13:43 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: on last boss ye
  171. 13:43 [Savagerune]: no
  172. 13:44 [Savagerune]: 3. Nestranel ..... 27.53M (19.0k, 18.8%)
  173. 13:44 [Savagerune]: 1. Mlxdk ............... 55.91M (38.5k, 38.2%)
  174. 13:44 [Savagerune]: 2. Degray .......... 34.80M (24.0k, 23.8%)
  175. 13:44 [Savagerune]: Details!: Damage Done for Kings' Rest +10 (overall) [24:12 EF]
  176. 13:44 [Savagerune]: 4. Savagerune . 24.82M (17.1k, 17.0%)
  177. 13:44 [Savagerune]: 5. Griesch .......... 3.34M (2.3k, 2.3%)
  178. 13:44 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i was way ahead on my dps meter for alot of the instance
  179. 13:44 [Savagerune]: thats overall
  180. 13:44 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: details btw
  181. 13:44 [Savagerune]: no dude
  182. 13:44 [Savagerune]: you weren't
  183. 13:44 [Savagerune]: this is details
  184. 13:44 [Savagerune]: you lost to him by 5k
  185. 13:44 [Savagerune]: because druids so shit trash dps and great boss damage
  186. 13:44 [Savagerune]: right now
  187. 13:44 [Savagerune]: you need 8 mobs for starfall to be a dps increase
  188. 13:45 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i definatley shine in AoE
  189. 13:45 [Savagerune]: no
  190. 13:45 [Savagerune]: you do good aoe when you use your neck
  191. 13:45 [Savagerune]: then you do nothing
  192. 13:45 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: all my procs go off
  193. 13:46 [Savagerune]: maybe but because your not pressing the generators
  194. 13:46 [Savagerune]: your missing lots of divine sotrms
  195. 13:46 [Savagerune]: also
  196. 13:46 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: guides tell me to spend procs if already at 3 or more holy power
  197. 13:46 [Savagerune]: Details!: Nestranel-Kazzak - Buff Uptime [ EF]
  198. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 1. [Relentless Inquisitor] . 88.2% (2m 17s)
  199. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 6. [Avenging Wrath] ............ 23.2% (0m 36s)
  200. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 5. [Force Multiplier] ............. 43.1% (1m 7s)
  201. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 4. [Righteous Verdict] ....... 49.5% (1m 17s)
  202. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 3. [Inquisition] .......................... 57.9% (1m 30s)
  203. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 2. [Focused Energy] ............. 83.0% (2m 9s)
  204. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 9. [Force Multiplier] ............. 19.3% (0m 30s)
  205. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 8. [Force Multiplier] ............. 21.2% (0m 33s)
  206. 13:46 [Savagerune]: 7. [Latent Arcana] ................. 21.2% (0m 33s)
  207. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 12. [Elemental Whirl] ............. 16.1% (0m 25s)
  208. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 11. [Empyrean Power] .......... 18.0% (0m 28s)
  209. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 13. [Overwhelming Power] . 14.2% (0m 22s)
  210. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 10. [Elemental Whirl] ............. 19.3% (0m 30s)
  211. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 14. [Shield of Vengeance] . 9.7% (0m 15s)
  212. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 15. [Razor Coral] ...................... 9.7% (0m 15s)
  213. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 16. [Force Multiplier] ............. 9.7% (0m 15s)
  214. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 18. [Art of War] ......................... 4.5% (0m 7s)
  215. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 17. [Divine Steed] ................... 5.8% (0m 9s)
  216. 13:47 [Savagerune]: 19. [Avenging Wrath] ............ 3.9% (0m 6s)
  217. 13:47 [Savagerune]: hmm
  218. 13:47 [Savagerune]: I thinl
  219. 13:47 [Savagerune]: your not pressingf avenging wrath
  220. 13:47 [Savagerune]: on trash
  221. 13:47 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: true
  222. 13:47 [Savagerune]: thats very bad
  223. 13:48 [Savagerune]: very very bad
  224. 13:48 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i tend to save for boss fights or "oh shit" moments
  225. 13:48 [Savagerune]: nope
  226. 13:48 [Savagerune]: thats now how m+ works
  227. 13:48 [Savagerune]: you need AW for bosses
  228. 13:48 [Savagerune]: but between bosses you should be nearly using it on cd
  229. 13:48 [Savagerune]: until 2mins before a boss ish
  230. 13:49 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: could that be it?
  231. 13:49 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: like its that ez
  232. 13:49 [Savagerune]: that could be a huge part
  233. 13:49 [Savagerune]: cause your running lights decree right
  234. 13:49 [Savagerune]: its 100% not the whole issue
  235. 13:49 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ye
  236. 13:49 [Savagerune]: you have much more issues
  237. 13:49 [Savagerune]: but this is a nice one
  238. 13:49 [Savagerune]: easy solve
  239. 13:49 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: [Soulspun Casque][Trench Tyrant's Shoulderplates][Barnacle-Crusted Breastplate]
  240. 13:49 [Savagerune]: can't see cause on dk
  241. 13:50 [Savagerune]: i onyl see the dk traits
  242. 13:50 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: oh lol
  243. 13:50 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: btw
  244. 13:50 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: my 420
  245. 13:50 [Savagerune]: is not an issue
  246. 13:50 [Savagerune]: your issue is game olay based dude
  247. 13:50 [Savagerune]: 100%
  248. 13:50 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: do hope for mythic behemoth drop or spend residiuum
  249. 13:51 [Savagerune]: spend on shoulders
  250. 13:51 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: random tho
  251. 13:51 [Savagerune]: for doing a 10 yuour getting 17k titan
  252. 13:51 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: cant afford specific
  253. 13:51 [Savagerune]: yup
  254. 13:51 [Savagerune]: thats fine
  255. 13:51 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: so not go for getting the mythic second boss drop?
  256. 13:51 [Savagerune]: there is stuff you could sim etc to find out the maths
  257. 13:51 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: even tho BiS?
  258. 13:51 [Savagerune]: but park this
  259. 13:51 [Savagerune]: worry about your play first
  260. 13:52 [Savagerune]: put it this way
  261. 13:52 [Savagerune]: you not AW means less hammer of wraths
  262. 13:52 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: so dont buy Azerite shoulders or what?
  263. 13:52 [Savagerune]: buy 430 ones
  264. 13:52 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: not 440??
  265. 13:52 [Savagerune]: well if you can afford it sure
  266. 13:52 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: i can but not specific
  267. 13:53 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: random
  268. 13:53 [Savagerune]: what i am doing atm
  269. 13:53 [Savagerune]: pointless saving dsince the ilvl gain for you is more more important than the traits
  270. 13:53 [Savagerune]: and again don't fucking worry about shit like that
  271. 13:54 [Savagerune]: get the basics right
  272. 13:57 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: so i got [C'thraxxi Binders Pauldrons]
  273. 13:57 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: not bad i guess
  274. 13:57 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: ik you cant see traits
  275. 13:57 [Savagerune]: they are pretty near bis
  276. 13:58 [Savagerune]: Exp + Avengers might
  277. 13:58 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: what'd you pick? Gutripper or lifespeed?
  278. 13:58 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: really? not Lights decree and Swirling sands?
  279. 13:58 [Savagerune]: no....
  280. 13:58 [Savagerune]: okay what guides have you read
  281. 13:58 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: icy veins and wowhead
  282. 13:59 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: then yt vids and just sorta collected what they agree on
  283. 13:59 [Savagerune]: logs disagree
  284. 13:59 [Savagerune]: [https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/23#boss=2298&class=Paladin&spec=Retribution]
  285. 14:00 [Nestranel-Kazzak]: dude expurgation, i can understand, but [Avenger's Might] over [Swirling Sands]?
  286. 14:01 [Savagerune]: [https://www.retpaladin.xyz/ret-paladin-azerite-gear-ranking]
  287. 14:01 [Savagerune]: this is the definative ret paladin guide
  288. 14:01 [Savagerune]: the wowhead one is outdated
  289. 14:02 [Savagerune]: you want 3 x ep, 1 LD, 2 x AM for single target
  290. 14:02 [Savagerune]: but swirling sands is VERY close
  291. 14:03 [Savagerune]: so its up to you on that one
  292. 14:03 [Savagerune]: Light's decree loses HUGE value after the first 1
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