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  1. 1.[FOR] I agree completely.
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  3. Let's remember, it's not the content-creators that are getting the money for their content.
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  5. i.e. It's not bands, artists, sculptors, singers, dancers, painters, etc that are getting paid (or lack there of due to copying) it's the people who "distribute" for them.
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  7. What is distributing in the age we live in? Distribution saw it's end in the 90's and yet people still believe they are fit to survive now.
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  9. Basically we have GIANT companies who's solve purpose is to "distribute" content. They take 75% of the cut to give shit from the real artist to the user. They produce cases, but hell, they don't even make the cool cover art.
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  11. They make NOTHING.
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  13. But because they were created in the 20th centruy (WMG) for example being in 1950's (getting big after acquiring Frank Sinatra) people couldn't just get content directly from the artist.
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  15. No, they didn't have the technology infrastructure for that. So what did they do? They bought records. But records were hard to make and produce for hundreds of millions by artist alone. So what did they do? They were subsidized by distributors. These distributors took 90% of the profits, but they made these artists celebrities.
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  17. Sure, it wasn't fair, but it worked.
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  19. We don't have to do that anymore though.
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  21. Artists can share themselves directly with the world.
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  23. I'm sad that people really believe that being assigned to a label means anything anymore.
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  25. Distributors are just thieves at this point.
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  27. They're an obsolete point in the journey of culture from person to person.
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  29. And I'll be damned if I have my humanity being taken away from those around me, as well as myself, because obsolete money hungry 80 year old's, can't get hard unless they completely fuck me in the ass.
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  32. 2.[AGAINST]you're one naive little 13 year old aren't you?
  33. with out distribution and marketing
  34. these "artists" would be playing in the local Holiday Inn lounge or drawing people's portraits in the mall
  35. it is quite a symbiotic relationship stop with the gay retarded "struggling artist" crap the artists are just as much money grubbing scumbags as the music companies
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  37. 3.[FOR]If this were true then the artists would be making 50/50 with the labels...they are not...for every song sold on iTunes at $ 0.99 , only about 10 cents actually goto the artist...the artists only get the majority of their money from their concerts. In my opinion...artists should get more from their labels than they do because they are the ones writing and performing the music, they hit the road and tour, they deal with screaming fans and people who hate their music trying to ruin them...they deserve more!
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  39. 4.[FOR]Killing off piracy is like trying to stop the drug trade of the world, as soon as you take down any provider, 18 more take their place regardless.
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  41. Been to multiple concerts where artists have said that they couldn't care less if you pirate their music, as long as you enjoy it, this entire movement stems from the already fuck off wealthy CEOs and managers of companies like Warner Bros who were only ever in it for the money, put shortly, piracy 'steals' money from those who already have enough of it.
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  43. 5.[FOR]Listen dick heads.
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  45. Artists like to make shit to be known, and to improve their craft.
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  47. They don't care about money.
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  49. Fuck the idiots who will tell you otherwise.
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  51. If the things we need a free.
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  53. Guess what?
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  55. Artists will live comfortably too.
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  57. And they will make to be known and improve.
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  59. So sit down.
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  61. Quiet the fuck up.
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  63. And don't fucking comment if you don't have the intellect to expound on your point.
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  65. Thanks.
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  67. 6.[AGAINST]you so funny!
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  69. if artists didnt want the money, why do they charge for their work?
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  71. there are ways of getting their work known that doesnt involve charging.
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  73. they dont have to use middlemen or managers or studios or distributors.
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  75. yet they do. and when they do, they dont charge a token fee for it do they? actors ask millions of dollars to appear in films, painters charge millions instead of publicly displaying their work or giving it away.
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  77. you are talking shit.
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  79. for the majority of artists, money comes ahead of artistic integrity.
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  81. 7.fuck off, there wouldn't be most artsists without money
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  83. hence why electro crap is booming, because it's the only form profitable on a large scale with a single song. other artists might be good, but dont try due to not being able to properly afford it
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  85. apart from indie rock (which is really just a post punk revival which old people buy), no proper forms of music have been innovated because people are too scared to try (profit wise)
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  87. 8.[FOR]>if artists didnt want the money, why do they charge for their work?
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  89. They need to survive? See my point: "If artists also get free things they need, they'll not need money."
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  91. >there are ways of getting their work known that doesnt involve charging.
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  93. But they need money. Are you dense?
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  95. >they dont have to use middlemen or managers or studios or distributors.
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  97. Except that the country has been indoctrinated to believe, that's the only path to "making it" regardless of what you want.
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  99. >yet they do. and when they do,
  100. See previous point.
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  102. >they dont charge a token fee for it do they? actors
  103. ask millions of dollars to appear in films, painters charge millions instead of publicly displaying their work or giving it away.
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  105. Because we need money. All your points are the same goddamn thing, which I've already stated.
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  107. 9.[AGAINST]>for the majority of artists, money comes ahead of artistic integrity.
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  109. and THAT'S is why most music is bullshit and garbage. There is NO innovation, nobody making good things that sell by themselves. Fuck you roody-poo, fuck you.
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  111. 10.[AGAINST]Probably because the internet is full of "artists" while only those guys that have actually sold anything, are held in any general regard by the public.
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  113. Anyone can write a sad emo poem on the web, but to actually publish one by a respectable publisher, put far more merit on that shit than 10,000,000 people on facebook ever could.
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  115. Becides, not every pirated copy is away from the artist, because sometime getting to see what the final product is, can actually make you wanna buy the original. There are a few games, movie and series that I've bought after I've downloaded them to actually see what they were about. Especially today, when game demos are much rarer than before.
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  117. A local gaming magazine also pointed one good thing about pirating: It also helps to preserve games for future generations. Many of the old games still in distribution, are actually based on the hacked pirate copies, instead of the original ones, since the latter are hard to come by and might not even work on more modern machines.
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