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  1. 01 Sep 2012 [00:48:25] <Cass> Sororita get a little bit.
  2. 01 Sep 2012 [00:48:36] <%ALT-F4> They're just happy to give it back if they don't need to buy anything.
  3. 01 Sep 2012 [00:48:51] <Cass> 50 Thrones, and a stipend equal to your normal 'pay grade'
  4. 01 Sep 2012 [00:49:18] <Bjork_Grimm> cass why not buy yourself an autogun?
  5. 01 Sep 2012 [00:49:28] <Cass> Because Bolter.
  6. 01 Sep 2012 [00:49:35] <Cass> Its so shiny...
  7. 01 Sep 2012 [00:49:41] <Cass> I can't NOT use it
  8. 01 Sep 2012 [00:49:49] <Bjork_Grimm> *shrugs* use it on enemies worthy of it.
  9. 01 Sep 2012 [00:49:51] * kasdaye (kasdaye@sux-1425D566.cg.shawcable.net) Quit (Quit: Konversation on Windows, it's a miracle!)
  10. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:00] <Bjork_Grimm> simply bitch heretics and drug dealers arent worth a bolt round.
  11. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:01] <Cass> In the Guardswoman disguise, sure. But otherwise?
  12. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:08] <Cass> BLAM
  13. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:11] <Bjork_Grimm> shotgun.
  14. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:12] <%ALT-F4> BoM SoBs can also expect free reloads from the ecclisiarchy armouries, fortress-precincts, and similar bastions of imperial authority
  15. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:21] <Bjork_Grimm> shotguns > all bolt weapons
  16. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:28] <%ALT-F4> also that is a lie
  17. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:36] <Bjork_Grimm> no its not.
  18. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:42] <%ALT-F4> shotguns can't do anything against someone in power armour
  19. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:43] <Cass> Total lie.
  20. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:54] <Cass> Shotguns seem good until you run into 'any armor, ever'
  21. 01 Sep 2012 [00:50:58] <%ALT-F4> ^
  22. 01 Sep 2012 [00:51:03] <Bjork_Grimm> ius-vox pattern shotgun sure can. andso can a vanehimen.
  23. 01 Sep 2012 [00:51:34] <Bjork_Grimm> ive NEVER run into an issue with my shotguns. especially when i can buy filed bolt shells just for that occasion.
  24. 01 Sep 2012 [00:51:40] <%ALT-F4> 1d10+4 pen 0
  25. 01 Sep 2012 [00:51:41] <Fisto> ALT-F4, pen 0: 14:10+4
  26. 01 Sep 2012 [00:51:44] <%ALT-F4> take that
  27. 01 Sep 2012 [00:51:53] <Cass> RIGHTEOUS FURY
  28. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:00] <Bjork_Grimm> also, dont forget scatter
  29. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:01] <Bjork_Grimm> :P
  30. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:03] <%ALT-F4> 9 of that is eliminated by the armour right off
  31. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:09] <Cass> 8
  32. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:19] <%ALT-F4> ah, so it is
  33. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:28] <%ALT-F4> and if they have 4 TB, they take, what... 2 wounds then.
  34. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:34] <Cass> RF
  35. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:36] <Cass> 1d10
  36. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:36] <Fisto> Cass: 4
  37. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:39] <Bjork_Grimm> lol, thats what modified bolt rounds are for. besides, if im fighting something in power armor im at the power level to own a melta gun anyway so i aint fuckin worried.
  38. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:39] <%ALT-F4> roll a 10 on a bolter
  39. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:40] <Cass> 6 wounds
  40. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:46] <Cass> 2d10
  41. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:46] <Fisto> Cass: 13
  42. 01 Sep 2012 [00:52:48] <%ALT-F4> Cass, STFU
  43. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:05] <%ALT-F4> rolling a 10 on a bolter is 15
  44. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:19] <%ALT-F4> with pen 4, that knocks only 4 off the shot, and another for for toughness
  45. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:22] <Cass> Tearing
  46. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:27] <%ALT-F4> okay
  47. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:30] <%ALT-F4> roll another d10
  48. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:41] <%ALT-F4> and keep the ten I just used for the example
  49. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:48] <%ALT-F4> :V
  50. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:50] <Cass> No point then ;)
  51. 01 Sep 2012 [00:53:58] <Cass> 10 is higher, so it gets used.
  52. 01 Sep 2012 [00:54:09] <Cass> Best part, is that Tearing continues into RF as well.
  53. 01 Sep 2012 [00:54:24] <%ALT-F4> Anyway, that would give 7 wounds, instead of 2
  54. 01 Sep 2012 [00:54:46] <%ALT-F4> <Bjork_Grimm> lol, thats what modified bolt rounds are for. besides, if im fighting something in power armor im at the power level to own a melta gun <--- also not true
  55. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:11] <Cass> 1d10
  56. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:11] <Fisto> Cass: 4
  57. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:20] <%ALT-F4> also bear in mind that RF isn't guaranteed
  58. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:20] <Cass> 11 wounds with Righteous Fury
  59. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:22] <Bjork_Grimm> if you say so.
  60. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:29] <Cass> Enough to down an unarmored individual
  61. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:47] <%ALT-F4> you gotta make another BS or WS test
  62. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:48] <Bjork_Grimm> if the dm is an asshole then he hasnt given us the equipment to prepare for power armor and we are fucked anyway cause he just wants us dead to feed his own ego.
  63. 01 Sep 2012 [00:55:58] <Bjork_Grimm> so im not worried about it if we dont have the gear to beat a power armored guy.
  64. 01 Sep 2012 [00:56:06] <Cass> Well, sometimes you just need to run ;)
  65. 01 Sep 2012 [00:56:09] <%ALT-F4> Or maybe you have other options besides trying to kill him
  66. 01 Sep 2012 [00:56:22] <%ALT-F4> Because enemies are not thrown down just for the PCs to kill
  67. 01 Sep 2012 [00:56:22] <Cass> Power Armor is a great indication of 'don't fight that guy, run the fuck away'
  68. 01 Sep 2012 [00:56:36] <%ALT-F4> and just to feed the PC's ego
  69. 01 Sep 2012 [00:56:40] <%ALT-F4> :V
  70. 01 Sep 2012 [00:57:08] <Cass> Or, in one campaign
  71. 01 Sep 2012 [00:57:11] <Bjork_Grimm> yeah yeah alt whatever alt. get on a soapbox all you want, youre just talking about a shotgun vs bolter against power armor, in a situation where we are trying to kill it. has nothing to do with ay other objectives.
  72. 01 Sep 2012 [00:57:23] <Cass> 'Uncage the very pissed off Lictor in the cage, and kill the survivor'
  73. 01 Sep 2012 [00:57:58] <%ALT-F4> I'm sorry I upset you when I showed you that shotguns are in fact not superior to bolters.
  74. 01 Sep 2012 [00:58:23] <Bjork_Grimm> they are. i stand by it. ive always done better with shotguns every time. cheaper, easier to maintain. i like them.
  75. 01 Sep 2012 [00:58:30] <Bjork_Grimm> not obligated to agree with me.
  76. 01 Sep 2012 [00:58:54] <%ALT-F4> Anecdotal evidence is hardly worthwhile.
  77. 01 Sep 2012 [00:59:16] <%ALT-F4> Stop trolling, Bjork_Grimm.
  78. 01 Sep 2012 [00:59:32] <Cass> Dam, Goswyn-Deaz are Reliable as well?
  79. 01 Sep 2012 [00:59:36] <%ALT-F4> Yep.
  80. 01 Sep 2012 [00:59:38] <Cass> ^Godwyn
  81. 01 Sep 2012 [00:59:42] <Cass> Jeez
  82. 01 Sep 2012 [00:59:45] <%ALT-F4> SoBs get awesome bolters.
  83. 01 Sep 2012 [01:00:03] <Cass> Why are Sororita Bolter's Reliable?
  84. 01 Sep 2012 [01:00:11] <%ALT-F4> It's just how they're made.
  85. 01 Sep 2012 [01:00:24] <%ALT-F4> alternately, they are blessed by their faith and refuse to malfunction.
  86. 01 Sep 2012 [01:00:32] <Bjork_Grimm> im not trolling i just dont agree with you. also, youre a fag.
  87. 01 Sep 2012 [01:00:40] <%ALT-F4> ^troll
  88. 01 Sep 2012 [01:00:54] <Bjork_Grimm> ^fag
  89. 01 Sep 2012 [01:00:59] <Cass> Either/or. Point being they are delicious compared to the 'stock' variety.
  90. 01 Sep 2012 [01:01:14] <%ALT-F4> your name is long enough that it skipped past my text. Looked like you are calling yourself a fag.
  91. 01 Sep 2012 [01:01:16] <%ALT-F4> :B
  92. 01 Sep 2012 [01:01:41] <Bjork_Grimm> keep your bolters. ill take a vanehim shotgun with modified bolt rounds.
  93. 01 Sep 2012 [01:02:09] <Cass> I'll take my Godwyn-Deaz with Kraken Bolts.
  94. 01 Sep 2012 [01:02:15] <%ALT-F4> Or metal storm.
  95. 01 Sep 2012 [01:02:26] <Cass> ...Or Metal-Storm
  96. 01 Sep 2012 [01:02:28] <Bjork_Grimm> kraken bolts dont exist outside of space marine chapters for pleebs like us.
  97. 01 Sep 2012 [01:02:45] <Cass> They're in one of the books, are they not?
  98. 01 Sep 2012 [01:02:55] <%ALT-F4> A space marine book.
  99. 01 Sep 2012 [01:03:00] <Cass> Alas
  100. 01 Sep 2012 [01:03:06] <Bjork_Grimm> im 100% sure, that those rounds are all in the space marine book, and historically, are reserved only for space marines.
  101. 01 Sep 2012 [01:03:13] <%ALT-F4> Metal Storm is also in BC.
  102. 01 Sep 2012 [01:03:19] <%ALT-F4> So heretics get them.
  103. 01 Sep 2012 [01:03:31] <Bjork_Grimm> actually, firing a weapon that belongs to a space marine is a good way to get executed without a trial :P
  104. 01 Sep 2012 [01:03:50] <%ALT-F4> That's probably true, but nobody suggested that.
  105. 01 Sep 2012 [01:04:49] <Bjork_Grimm> i am a scum, but i am a scum who works directly for the adeptus mechanicus as a lathemaster. i can make bolts fit in my shotgun :P
  106. 01 Sep 2012 [01:05:21] * Bjork_Grimm gets a satchel of bolts. files them down. one explodes. takes my head off.
  107. 01 Sep 2012 [01:05:56] <%ALT-F4> Actually, modified bolt shells are heresy.
  108. 01 Sep 2012 [01:06:01] <Bjork_Grimm> no they arent.
  109. 01 Sep 2012 [01:06:07] <Bjork_Grimm> modified bolt shells are just frowned on.
  110. 01 Sep 2012 [01:06:13] <Bjork_Grimm> thye are not, in fact, actually heretical.
  111. 01 Sep 2012 [01:06:18] <Bjork_Grimm> it just pisses off tech priests.
  112. 01 Sep 2012 [01:06:23] <Bjork_Grimm> they dont like it, its a grey area.
  113. 01 Sep 2012 [01:06:32] <%ALT-F4> Can you cite a source?
  114. 01 Sep 2012 [01:06:51] <%ALT-F4> Because it is at best illegal, even if it's not outright heresy.
  115. 01 Sep 2012 [01:07:06] <%ALT-F4> And if your character is a lathemaster, he wouldn't do that anyway.
  116. 01 Sep 2012 [01:07:38] <Cass> Hrm... combi-melta or combi-flamer?
  117. 01 Sep 2012 [01:07:42] <Cass> decisions decisions
  118. 01 Sep 2012 [01:07:55] <%ALT-F4> flamer is good for setting everyone on fire.
  119. 01 Sep 2012 [01:08:16] <Bjork_Grimm> can you site a source that says it is?
  120. 01 Sep 2012 [01:08:21] <%ALT-F4> Absolutely.
  121. 01 Sep 2012 [01:08:38] <%ALT-F4> From page 60 of Hostile Acquisitions.
  122. 01 Sep 2012 [01:08:48] <%ALT-F4> Decried by the Adeptus Mechanicus, numerous illicit munitionsmiths in the bowels of hive worlds and starships and the lawless fringes of the Imperium have long been adapting bolt ammunition so that it can be fired from shotguns
  123. 01 Sep 2012 [01:09:08] <%ALT-F4> The key words here are decried, illicit, and lawless fringes.
  124. 01 Sep 2012 [01:09:33] <Bjork_Grimm> that doesnt say heresy to me
  125. 01 Sep 2012 [01:09:39] <%ALT-F4> But does it say illegal?
  126. 01 Sep 2012 [01:09:40] <Bjork_Grimm> it says that the tech priests dont fuckin likeit.
  127. 01 Sep 2012 [01:10:04] <%ALT-F4> They don't like it because... fucking with tech is tech heresy
  128. 01 Sep 2012 [01:10:35] <Bjork_Grimm> it says that the illicite weaponsmiths. doesnt say the act itself is illicite. it says theyve been doing that for a long time. doesnt say the act itself is heresy.
  129. 01 Sep 2012 [01:10:44] <%ALT-F4> Splitting hairs.
  130. 01 Sep 2012 [01:10:48] <Bjork_Grimm> but hey...youre right alt. youre always right. and if it makes you feel better, ill never ever do it.
  131. 01 Sep 2012 [01:10:51] <Bjork_Grimm> because you say so.
  132. 01 Sep 2012 [01:10:57] <%ALT-F4> Of course I'm right.
  133. 01 Sep 2012 [01:11:00] <DaLawr> Basically it's extremely frowned upon.
  134. 01 Sep 2012 [01:11:18] <%ALT-F4> But Bjork_Grimm, are you incapable of logic?
  135. 01 Sep 2012 [01:11:30] <%ALT-F4> You just said "They only do it in bad places, but that doesn't mean it's bad"
  136. 01 Sep 2012 [01:11:39] <%ALT-F4> If it were good, they'd do it in good places too.
  137. 01 Sep 2012 [01:11:46] <DaLawr> Don't do that shit where you get upset that somebody was right, and say "oh you're always right" in a sarcastic manner. That's the most obnoxious shit.
  138. 01 Sep 2012 [01:11:58] <Bjork_Grimm> alt, i dont even care. mostly, because youre incapable of having a conversation without being an asshole.
  139. 01 Sep 2012 [01:12:10] <%ALT-F4> And now the personal attacks.
  140. 01 Sep 2012 [01:12:29] <Bjork_Grimm> its not an attack. its an observation.
  141. 01 Sep 2012 [01:12:42] <DaLawr> The only one being an asshole here is you, dude.
  142. 01 Sep 2012 [01:12:52] <Bjork_Grimm> right.
  143. 01 Sep 2012 [01:13:30] <Bjork_Grimm> well now its degenerated into two on one so i must be wrong.
  144. 01 Sep 2012 [01:13:40] <%ALT-F4> If you're going to cite a source that supports your point of view, I'm more than willing to read it.
  145. * Retrieving #darkheresyooc modes...
  146. 01 Sep 2012 [01:14:42] <Bjork_Grimm> the way i read it, it seems more of a grey area. you call it splititng hairs, i call it just reading the text. we have two different views on it. apparently, that makes me an asshole that i dont really want to argue with someone who jumps my shit any time the slightest percieved inaccuracy occures in one of my statements.
  147. 01 Sep 2012 [01:15:00] <Bjork_Grimm> so you know, whatever.
  148. 01 Sep 2012 [01:16:26] <%ALT-F4> Well. Do you know what illicit means?
  149. 01 Sep 2012 [01:16:40] <Bjork_Grimm> ugh of course i do.
  150. 01 Sep 2012 [01:16:48] <Bjork_Grimm> it means illegal.
  151. 01 Sep 2012 [01:17:01] * Shitnugget (Sipulih@sux-A1ED8384.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Quit (Ping timeout)
  152. 01 Sep 2012 [01:17:08] <%ALT-F4> Why would you think that anything that happens only in illegal places is something that's okay to do?
  153. 01 Sep 2012 [01:17:28] <Bjork_Grimm> and dalawr, if you want to go off calling me an asshole because im having a conversation with someone that doesnt affect you, then blow it out your ear im not going to go crying because you want to stick your nose in it.
  154. 01 Sep 2012 [01:17:43] <Bjork_Grimm> dude. stop breaking it down.
  155. 01 Sep 2012 [01:17:50] <%ALT-F4> Why?
  156. 01 Sep 2012 [01:18:02] <%ALT-F4> Why should I stop taking words at their meaning?
  157. 01 Sep 2012 [01:18:16] <Bjork_Grimm> they also use shotgun shells and solid projectile rounds and lasguns in those illicit areas but that doesnt make those ammo types illicit.
  158. 01 Sep 2012 [01:18:17] * Shitnugget (Sipulih@sux-A1ED8384.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #darkheresyooc
  159. 01 Sep 2012 [01:18:32] <%ALT-F4> They use those in non-illicit areas as well.
  160. 01 Sep 2012 [01:18:32] <Bjork_Grimm> i didnt say that, i said stop breaking it down im not a fucking two year old.
  161. 01 Sep 2012 [01:18:45] <Bjork_Grimm> thats splitting hairs now. either way you slice it, its splitting hairs.
  162. 01 Sep 2012 [01:18:47] <DaLawr> You're acting like one.
  163. 01 Sep 2012 [01:18:53] <DaLawr> No wonder that other guy quit.
  164. 01 Sep 2012 [01:19:10] <Bjork_Grimm> why because i say one thing that irritated you dalawr?
  165. 01 Sep 2012 [01:19:17] <%ALT-F4> And I said, in case you missed it, "Why do you think something that happens only in illegal places is something that's okay to do?"
  166. 01 Sep 2012 [01:19:36] <DaLawr> You were corrected once and flipped out like he insulted your mother or something.
  167. 01 Sep 2012 [01:20:02] <%ALT-F4> If you can give me an example of something that happens only in illegal places that isn't illegal, I'll stand down.
  168. 01 Sep 2012 [01:20:12] <Bjork_Grimm> dalawr. you have no idea how many conversations i get into with alt. this has a history. lay off it, relax. we do this shit on a regular basis and we still have basic human respect for one another.
  169. 01 Sep 2012 [01:20:25] <Bjork_Grimm> dont feel the need to fucking defend him hes a big boy.
  170. 01 Sep 2012 [01:20:26] <%ALT-F4> But not something that happens in both legal and illegal places.
  171. 01 Sep 2012 [01:20:46] <Bjork_Grimm> fine you win alt. i cant argue with two people at once.
  172. 01 Sep 2012 [01:21:01] <%ALT-F4> lol
  173. 01 Sep 2012 [01:21:53] <Bjork_Grimm> youre right alt. i dont know what else to say? i mean...if i say it im an asshole aparently. if i argue im an asshole. so its kinda a no win.
  174. 01 Sep 2012 [01:22:09] <%ALT-F4> I haven't called you an asshole.
  175. 01 Sep 2012 [01:22:29] <DaLawr> Not everyone who disagrees with you is out to get you dude. Just take a breather and stop freaking out over nothing.
  176. 01 Sep 2012 [01:22:49] * Cass is now known as Heresy
  177. 01 Sep 2012 [01:23:03] * Shitnugget (Sipulih@sux-A1ED8384.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Quit (Ping timeout)
  178. 01 Sep 2012 [01:23:13] * Shitnugget (Sipulih@sux-A1ED8384.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #darkheresyooc
  179. 01 Sep 2012 [01:23:46] <Bjork_Grimm> dalawr, im not freaking out. i jsut dont like it when i get it from two ends. unlike alt, who enjoys being the meat in a cock sandwich.
  180. 01 Sep 2012 [01:24:03] <%ALT-F4> It's a hard job but someone's got to do it.
  181. 01 Sep 2012 [01:24:15] <%ALT-F4> (geddit, geddit? "Hard" job)
  182. 01 Sep 2012 [01:25:01] <DaLawr> ahuehuehuehue
  183. 01 Sep 2012 [01:25:35] <Bjork_Grimm> dalawr, talk to me in priavate if you dont mind.
  184. 01 Sep 2012 [01:26:17] <DaLawr> I sort of do mind, but whatever.
  185. 01 Sep 2012 [01:27:01] <Bjork_Grimm> so i should has this out in a public forum then instead of talking about it like adults in private? gotcha.
  186.  
  187. ----in PM with Bjerk-----
  188. 01 Sep 2012 [01:29:57] <Bjork_Grimm> this shit is why i hate this place.
  189. -
  190. 01 Sep 2012 [01:29:57] Bjork_Grimm is Abraham@sux-CF1EF21E.ags.bellsouth.net * Java User
  191. 01 Sep 2012 [01:29:57] Bjork_Grimm on #darkheresyooc #DnDOOC #suptg
  192. 01 Sep 2012 [01:29:57] Bjork_Grimm using xen.thisisnotatrueending.com sup/tg/
  193. 01 Sep 2012 [01:29:57] Bjork_Grimm has been idle 0secs, signed on Fri Aug 31 20:50:54
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  196. 01 Sep 2012 [01:30:19] <ALT-F4> ok
  197. 01 Sep 2012 [01:30:54] <Bjork_Grimm> its okay for dalawr to fucking shoot across my bow an underhanded bullshit statement about something he knows nothing about but if i retaliate, im being an ass.
  198. 01 Sep 2012 [01:31:04] <Bjork_Grimm> ugh. i want to fucking punch something.
  199. 01 Sep 2012 [01:31:15] <ALT-F4> I recommend the wall behind your computer.
  200. 01 Sep 2012 [01:31:22] <ALT-F4> Or a pillow.
  201. 01 Sep 2012 [01:31:43] <Bjork_Grimm> no the wall behind my compute is an oak bedpost that would not comply with my rage.
  202. 01 Sep 2012 [01:31:55] <ALT-F4> pfft
  203. 01 Sep 2012 [01:32:03] <Bjork_Grimm> besides. this shit is why i get fed up and quit games.
  204. 01 Sep 2012 [01:32:34] <Bjork_Grimm> instead of just fucking staying out of a situation people get all up in my shit and dont mind their own business. me and you were arguing it wasnt any of his fucking business to get involved.
  205. 01 Sep 2012 [01:33:33] <ALT-F4> Well, it is in public. If it had been two others doing it I probably would have jumped in too.
  206. 01 Sep 2012 [01:33:50] <Bjork_Grimm> maybe, but to get personally offended like that is just bullshit.
  207. 01 Sep 2012 [01:34:06] <Bjork_Grimm> it wasnt even his fight. he just got all fucking indginant and shit when he wasnt even involved in it.
  208. 01 Sep 2012 [01:34:15] <ALT-F4> He only did to you what you did to me.
  209. 01 Sep 2012 [01:34:22] <ALT-F4> Consider that a moment.
  210. 01 Sep 2012 [01:34:55] <Bjork_Grimm> no, i was having a conversation with you, you have a habit of being a relentless asshole.. i called you on it.
  211. 01 Sep 2012 [01:34:58] <Bjork_Grimm> that is different.
  212. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:06] <ALT-F4> All right.
  213. 01 Sep 2012 [01:36:27] <Bjork_Grimm> i didnt hop in on a conversation between you and another person, it was a sort of three way convo that we wwere all involved in. i do still disagree that shotguns are better but thats my personal taste. i have a variety of reasons for it, none of which will stand your ironclad scruitiny. and that frustrates me because its largely just personal taste not fact.
  214. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:22] <ALT-F4> You need to work on your phrasing then, because what I think you are trying to say is that you like them better, not that they are better. Objectively, bolters are better, but that doesn't mean you can't like shotguns better.
  215. 01 Sep 2012 [01:38:10] <Bjork_Grimm> i like shotguns better. i think they are superior. until you run into a fucking space marine. then, lascannons.
  216. 01 Sep 2012 [01:38:27] <ALT-F4> I can't argue with that, those are your opinions!
  217. 01 Sep 2012 [01:38:29] <Bjork_Grimm> thats my point. in almost every situation, shotguns are better cheaper easier to maintain and do far more damage at close range.
  218. 01 Sep 2012 [01:38:40] <Bjork_Grimm> space marines? power armor? totally different ballgame.
  219. 01 Sep 2012 [01:39:49] <Bjork_Grimm> its not even a fair ballgame. boltguns arent even good against that lol
  220. 01 Sep 2012 [01:40:15] <ALT-F4> Sure they are
  221. 01 Sep 2012 [01:42:00] <Bjork_Grimm> not really. i mean, a space marine looks at a human bolter and chuckles
  222. 01 Sep 2012 [01:42:09] <Bjork_Grimm> odds are, its not even gonna scratch.
  223. 01 Sep 2012 [01:42:47] <ALT-F4> IIRC space marine bolters do only a couple more points of damage
  224. 01 Sep 2012 [01:43:30] <Bjork_Grimm> try like, 4 more points of damage
  225. 01 Sep 2012 [01:43:34] <Bjork_Grimm> which is a big deal.
  226. 01 Sep 2012 [01:44:38] <Bjork_Grimm> too much negativity.
  227. 01 Sep 2012 [01:44:45] <Bjork_Grimm> do you always have to respond as an ass? seriously?
  228. 01 Sep 2012 [01:44:55] <Bjork_Grimm> i mean, is it possible for you to not be a dick?
  229. 01 Sep 2012 [01:45:01] <ALT-F4> As you mentioned, I do have a reputation.
  230. 01 Sep 2012 [01:45:07] <ALT-F4> Gotta uphold it.
  231. 01 Sep 2012 [01:45:29] <ALT-F4> Though I was not being a dick tonight.
  232. 01 Sep 2012 [01:45:58] <Bjork_Grimm> well knock that shit off. stop being an ass. i spent ever since the situation with REDACTED not talking to you. because im paranoid. and when you pull this shit it makes it worse.
  233. 01 Sep 2012 [01:46:14] <Bjork_Grimm> it reminds me of REDACTED and quite frankly i liked you better before all that went down.
  234. 01 Sep 2012 [01:46:39] <ALT-F4> When I think someone is wrong I'm going to call them on it
  235. 01 Sep 2012 [01:46:45] <ALT-F4> I do it to my friends too
  236. 01 Sep 2012 [01:47:14] <Bjork_Grimm> thats fine think im wrong. hell, i dont care. but that has nothing to do with our current discussion.
  237. 01 Sep 2012 [01:47:41] <Bjork_Grimm> fucking too much negativeity with dalwar. hes being a total cock about the entire situation, and has devolved into a fucking troll.
  238. 01 Sep 2012 [01:47:56] <ALT-F4> lol man
  239. 01 Sep 2012 [01:48:10] <ALT-F4> just because someone disagrees with you, that doesn't make them a troll
  240. 01 Sep 2012 [01:48:10] <Bjork_Grimm> "ive lost all respect for you as a reasonable adult lol" how do i play in a game with people who dont respect me?
  241. 01 Sep 2012 [01:48:25] <ALT-F4> By... acting like you deserve respect
  242. 01 Sep 2012 [01:48:41] <ALT-F4> (ie stop acting like a child, and act like a reasonable adult)
  243. 01 Sep 2012 [01:48:55] <Bjork_Grimm> stop pushing my fucking buttons alt.
  244. 01 Sep 2012 [01:49:32] <Bjork_Grimm> im not acting like a child, i just disagree with you, youre so persistant and fucking consistant and demoralizing when you talk that it pisses me off and i dont want to have the conversation.
  245. 01 Sep 2012 [01:49:59] <ALT-F4> I'm consistant?
  246. 01 Sep 2012 [01:50:14] <Bjork_Grimm> yes you dont fucking back off. you keep going and plow in till you are the only voice heard.
  247. 01 Sep 2012 [01:50:33] <ALT-F4> Oh you mean persistent
  248. 01 Sep 2012 [01:50:36] <Bjork_Grimm> and if it derails any thought process the other person had when they made the original statement, all the better.
  249. 01 Sep 2012 [01:50:46] <ALT-F4> I was going to thank you, consistancy is something I strive for
  250. 01 Sep 2012 [01:51:29] <Bjork_Grimm> i dont want you to be a consistant asshole alt. it wont make me want to talk to you. which is why lately, when you start on me i just ignore it.
  251. 01 Sep 2012 [01:52:11] <ALT-F4> That's certainly an option, too
  252. 01 Sep 2012 [01:52:15] <Bjork_Grimm> but the definition of decry keeps sticking with me. i csant really explain it because youre so vehement about your stance and i start losing it cause i cant argue.
  253. 01 Sep 2012 [01:52:35] <ALT-F4> I know that feeling
  254. 01 Sep 2012 [01:52:39] <ALT-F4> it's happened to me before too
  255. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:01] <Bjork_Grimm> but the definition is "a strong disapproval of". which is kinda like, having a strong disapproval of alcohaul. doesnt make it illegal, just means you arent putitng up with it in your house.
  256. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:13] <ALT-F4> Sure
  257. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:27] <ALT-F4> But combined with the rest of it, it is clearly something that is not done
  258. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:31] <Bjork_Grimm> to express a low opinion of.
  259. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:39] <ALT-F4> I mean, you can decry illegal things.
  260. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:44] <ALT-F4> I decry drug use.
  261. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:49] <Bjork_Grimm> i disagree. i think its a grey area that is severely frowned upon.
  262. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:52] <ALT-F4> Drug use also happens to be illegal.
  263. 01 Sep 2012 [01:54:12] <Bjork_Grimm> i think that its not something thatll get you shot by someone who isnt your commanding officer. it might get you shot if youre in the guard and your commissar finds out.
  264. 01 Sep 2012 [01:54:45] <Bjork_Grimm> but thats why i disagree and you know, we can both go back and forth with this but without the specific wording of "it is heresy", think both of us are chasing our tails on it.
  265. 01 Sep 2012 [01:55:13] <Bjork_Grimm> because i draw a totally different conclusion from you. maybe because i want it to be not heresy, thats a valid point, but still.
  266. 01 Sep 2012 [01:56:01] <Bjork_Grimm> and when you come at me with such vehemence and stonewall persistance i lose all sensibility of the arguement i get pissed off i dont want to have the conversation anymore and i give up
  267. 01 Sep 2012 [01:56:06] <Bjork_Grimm> because i cant think when im mad
  268. 01 Sep 2012 [01:56:15] <ALT-F4> Why do you get so mad?
  269. 01 Sep 2012 [01:57:50] <Bjork_Grimm> because i cant think and im tired. i havent slept in three days cause ive been working on some things, and ive gotten maybe like, 2 hours sleep total. ive got so much personal life shit going on that im drowning, i have suspicions of everyone i talk to since the REDACTED incident and i dont feel like being attacked over a small thing like modified shotgun shells.
  270. 01 Sep 2012 [01:57:59] <ALT-F4> Go sleep then
  271. 01 Sep 2012 [01:58:03] <ALT-F4> and stop being paranoid
  272. 01 Sep 2012 [01:58:10] <Bjork_Grimm> i cant. im too wired.
  273. 01 Sep 2012 [01:58:12] <ALT-F4> Also I totally wasn't attacking you
  274. 01 Sep 2012 [01:58:24] <Bjork_Grimm> and the last time i stopped being paranoid, the REDACTED incident happened.
  275. 01 Sep 2012 [01:58:34] <ALT-F4> Why are you paranoid?
  276. 01 Sep 2012 [01:58:39] <Bjork_Grimm> and when you start bringing up my wife and my art, it makes me more paranoid.
  277. 01 Sep 2012 [01:58:54] <ALT-F4> Well see. That's a real troll.
  278. 01 Sep 2012 [01:59:20] <Bjork_Grimm> uh because i still have people like asilentwanderer who wont talk to me? because ive lost so many "friends" on here who literally just use me for what they wanted then treated me like shit when they were done
  279. 01 Sep 2012 [01:59:34] <Bjork_Grimm> every time i get close to someone i find that im not worth the effort of friendship
  280. 01 Sep 2012 [01:59:50] <Bjork_Grimm> and to top it all off, i get into one arguement with you, and now theres ANOTHER person who hates me.
  281. 01 Sep 2012 [01:59:55] <Bjork_Grimm> its fucking maddening dude.
  282. 01 Sep 2012 [01:59:56] <ALT-F4> What happened with asilentwanderer?
  283. 01 Sep 2012 [02:00:44] <Bjork_Grimm> asilentwanderer wasone of my best friends we were in another openrpg dh game together. i asked him over to play in the game i was dming when REDACTED posted everything in the middle of my game.
  284. 01 Sep 2012 [02:00:54] <ALT-F4> ahh I see.
  285. 01 Sep 2012 [02:00:55] <Bjork_Grimm> he logged out, said there were some lines i shouldnt cross and hasnt spoken to me since.
  286. 01 Sep 2012 [02:01:20] <ALT-F4> So you are paranoid people will find out that you ERP?
  287. 01 Sep 2012 [02:01:21] <Bjork_Grimm> and you know, you logged in and didnt play and sat there. REDACTED and fucking REDACTED BUT SOMEONE ELSE logged in too. they did the same. then REDACTED posts everything.
  288. 01 Sep 2012 [02:01:33] <Bjork_Grimm> that tells me that you were involved in it. it makes me paranoid.
  289. 01 Sep 2012 [02:01:55] <Bjork_Grimm> no, im paranoid that everyone i talk to is an asshole whose out ot use, judge, humiliate and ignoreme when they are done.
  290. 01 Sep 2012 [02:02:00] <ALT-F4> If you'll remember, I was watching your game long before that happened
  291. 01 Sep 2012 [02:02:13] <Bjork_Grimm> yeah, but that doesnt mean anything.
  292. 01 Sep 2012 [02:02:19] <Bjork_Grimm> lets be honest.
  293. 01 Sep 2012 [02:02:25] <ALT-F4> "He wasn't playing, so that makes him a suspect"
  294. 01 Sep 2012 [02:02:54] <ALT-F4> What happened was, I was bored and wanted to watch for entertainment, but couldn't be assed to make a character. It wasn't any different than watching TV.
  295. 01 Sep 2012 [02:03:12] <ALT-F4> Granted, most shows I watch don't have a twist like that, but that is beside the point.
  296. 01 Sep 2012 [02:03:35] <Bjork_Grimm> no. you logged in, you got me hooked up with that guy who erped which for all i know was REDACTED in disguise, and i still dont fucking trust him, and it got lambasted and spilled over into 4 different chats till REDACTED finally got banned and REDACTED BUT SOMEONE ELSE got told if she didnt knock it off shed be banned.
  297. 01 Sep 2012 [02:03:48] <ALT-F4> I just wanted to see some guardsmen get blown up.
  298. 01 Sep 2012 [02:04:04] <Bjork_Grimm> my conclusions are valid whether or not they are real.
  299. 01 Sep 2012 [02:04:25] <ALT-F4> ...I want you think about what you just said
  300. 01 Sep 2012 [02:04:38] <Bjork_Grimm> i did and my mind just froze like a ungreased wheel.
  301. 01 Sep 2012 [02:04:42] <Bjork_Grimm> what i meant is
  302. 01 Sep 2012 [02:05:21] <Bjork_Grimm> my conclusions are valid given the evidence, anyone in my situation who wants to figure out what the fuck happened would come to it. even if you didnt do it, even if the other guy didnt do it.
  303. 01 Sep 2012 [02:05:28] <Bjork_Grimm> its a reasonable conclusion for me to come to.
  304. 01 Sep 2012 [02:05:39] <ALT-F4> But all of your evidence is circumstantial.
  305. 01 Sep 2012 [02:06:14] <Bjork_Grimm> thats all i need. it aint the court of law. i just need to watch my own ass.
  306. 01 Sep 2012 [02:06:24] <ALT-F4> heh
  307. 01 Sep 2012 [02:06:30] <ALT-F4> Well
  308. 01 Sep 2012 [02:06:38] <Bjork_Grimm> and sometimes that means getting mean with people.
  309.  
  310. -----From the other guy--------
  311.  
  312. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] <DaLawr> [01:26] <Bjork_Grimm> if youre ready.
  313. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] <DaLawr> [01:33] <Bjork_Grimm> seriously dude. you need to talk to me. because this will only get worse. im not trying to yell or throw a fit on you or bitch you out. that is not why i want to talk in privat.
  314. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] <DaLawr> [01:34] <Bjork_Grimm> if you hold a grudge its going to make the game impossible.
  315. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] <DaLawr> [01:34] <Bjork_Grimm> and im going to hold a grudge because of something you said. i know me. so id like to air this out like two adults.
  316. -
  317. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] DaLawr is DaLawr@sux-BAE1F2A1.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com * DaLawr
  318. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] DaLawr on #Herooftheimperium #DnDOOC #darkheresyooc #BlackCrusadeOOC #suptg
  319. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] DaLawr using xen.thisisnotatrueending.com sup/tg/
  320. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] DaLawr has been idle 1sec, signed on Fri Aug 31 17:49:26
  321. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:27] DaLawr End of /WHOIS list.
  322. -
  323. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:28] <DaLawr> [01:35] <DaLawr> I'm not holding a grudge. I'm just not going to deal with you when you're acting like an infant. I'm not your mother.
  324. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:31] <DaLawr> [01:35] <Bjork_Grimm> alright you see its comments like that that piss me off.
  325. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:37] <ALT-F4> hahahaha
  326. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:38] <DaLawr> [01:35] <Bjork_Grimm> for one, leave the low blows somewhere else.
  327. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:38] <DaLawr> [01:35] <Bjork_Grimm> i dont appreciate them and i WILL hold a grudge. so lay off it.
  328. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:48] <ALT-F4> oh no an internet grudge
  329. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:55] <ALT-F4> you should be shitting yourself
  330. 01 Sep 2012 [01:35:57] <ALT-F4> hahahaha
  331. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:08] <DaLawr> [01:36] <DaLawr> I just shit my pants pls don't threaten me
  332. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:08] <DaLawr> [01:37] <Bjork_Grimm> im not threatening you dalawr im asking you to lay off the insults and the low blows.
  333. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:08] <DaLawr> [01:37] <Bjork_Grimm> stop being obstinant internet toughguy.
  334. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:08] <DaLawr> [01:37] <DaLawr> That was sarcasm. You're acting like an internet toughguy
  335. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:37] <ALT-F4> hahahaha
  336. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:39] <ALT-F4> oh god
  337. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:42] <ALT-F4> I'm dying here
  338. 01 Sep 2012 [01:37:49] <DaLawr> It's pretty funny.
  339. 01 Sep 2012 [01:38:42] <DaLawr> [01:38] <Bjork_Grimm> no, im acting like someone whose anngry and trying to work past it with someone who is instead making it worse.
  340. 01 Sep 2012 [01:38:42] <DaLawr> [01:38] <DaLawr> You're acting pathetically. I've lost any respect I had for you as a reasonable adult. Just stop. lol.
  341. 01 Sep 2012 [01:38:54] <ALT-F4> hehehehe
  342. 01 Sep 2012 [01:39:13] <ALT-F4> here's mine
  343. (shared PM logs from previous)
  344. 01 Sep 2012 [01:41:50] <DaLawr> TO be fair, you can be an asshole from what I've seen, but you weren't being an asshole in this situation.
  345. 01 Sep 2012 [01:42:05] <DaLawr> So, I don't get why he freaked out.
  346. (shared more logs)
  347. 01 Sep 2012 [01:53:41] <DaLawr> I like how he thinks I'm trolling him.
  348. 01 Sep 2012 [01:54:01] <ALT-F4> I know, right?
  349. 01 Sep 2012 [02:07:58] <ALT-F4> <Bjork_Grimm> and we are...well i guess, in the same game together. if dalwar wants to quit he can do it im not going to quit cause one guys an asshole.
  350. 01 Sep 2012 [02:08:02] <ALT-F4> whoops
  351. 01 Sep 2012 [02:08:08] <ALT-F4> he talked himself out of quitting
  352. 01 Sep 2012 [02:15:18] <ALT-F4> [02:14:29] <Bjork_Grimm> its just ive had it up to *here* with people on this fucking site. all i want is a decent game of dark heresy.
  353. 01 Sep 2012 [02:15:18] <ALT-F4> [02:14:37] <Bjork_Grimm> but other shit seems to keep getting in the way.
  354. 01 Sep 2012 [02:15:18] <ALT-F4> [02:14:44] <Bjork_Grimm> shitty dms, shitty players, shitty attitudes, something.
  355. 01 Sep 2012 [02:15:40] <ALT-F4> all of those have had one thing in common :B
  356. 01 Sep 2012 [02:15:46] <DaLawr> Hm~
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