Nov 05 10:16:38 <Koala>	duplex: let's make a boku no pico AV1 encode
Nov 05 10:16:48 <Nep_Blanc>	ehhh
Nov 05 10:16:57 <Nep_Blanc>	AV1 is that even out yet?
Nov 05 10:17:09 <Nep_Blanc>	netflix has the say in that right
Nov 05 10:17:20 <Nep_Blanc>	and if it does not suffice it does not get released or something
Nov 05 10:17:21 <Koala>	nobody is quite sure. Soft bitstream freeze was supposed to be a few days ago, but nobody knows what soft bitstream freeze means
Nov 05 10:17:28 <Koala>	no
Nov 05 10:17:34 <Nep_Blanc>	oh ok
Nov 05 10:17:37 <Koala>	AV1 is developed by a whole lot of corps
Nov 05 10:17:52 <Nep_Blanc>	well soft bitstream release seems a beta in my eyes
Nov 05 10:17:58 <Nep_Blanc>	a public test beta
Nov 05 10:18:03 <Koala>	Alliance for Open Media, AOM, which includes Netflix, Amazon, Mozilla, Xiph, Cisco and Microsoft
Nov 05 10:18:24 <Nep_Blanc>	thanks for the info
Nov 05 10:18:29 <Nep_Blanc>	I read up on that too
Nov 05 10:18:45 <Nep_Blanc>	its a nice thing to see that they are willing to surpass x265 and they are doing well
Nov 05 10:18:54 <Nep_Blanc>	but oh man that CPU load =-=
Nov 05 10:19:20 <Koala>	the encoder won't be fast any time soon
Nov 05 10:19:28 <Nep_Blanc>	yep
Nov 05 10:19:33 <Nep_Blanc>	optimizing will happen later
Nov 05 10:19:45 <Nep_Blanc>	as stated in multiple posts about it
Nov 05 10:20:12 <Nep_Blanc>	even then maybe 10% improvement
Nov 05 10:20:20 <Nep_Blanc>	if that is the best case scenario
Nov 05 10:20:28 <Koala>	in performance? lol no
Nov 05 10:20:35 <Nep_Blanc>	could be better but I don expect much anyways
Nov 05 10:20:44 <Koala>	they'll be looking at over a magnitude of perf improvement
Nov 05 10:21:02 <Nep_Blanc>	magnitude of what
Nov 05 10:21:34 <herkz>	maybe in like 10 years people can finally stop using x264 because something better that's just as fast is finally out
Nov 05 10:21:41 <Koala>	magnitude = base10 improvement, so 10x, currently they're like 200x slower than vp9
Nov 05 10:22:23 <Nep_Blanc>	because I'm not sure if they make it that far like x2 faster than for instance x265 atm but VP9 is slow as fuck and not designed for multithreaded xeon cores and it seems that it also does not cope with numa
Nov 05 10:22:49 <Koala>	yes, because only Google cares about VP9 and Google does parallelisation through chunking
Nov 05 10:23:01 <Nep_Blanc>	VP9 is fine though but more a gimmnick now looking at it
Nov 05 10:23:14 <Koala>	libvpx is vp9's biggest issue
Nov 05 10:23:22 <Koala>	and sadly, libaom is based on libvpx
Nov 05 10:23:38 <Koala>	thankfully we've got talented folks from Mozilla et al working on beating the Google retardation out of it
Nov 05 10:24:24 <Koala>	fwiw, encoding with AV1 right now is a meme, which is why I suggested doing it
Nov 05 10:24:40 <Nep_Blanc>	haha yea I know
Nov 05 10:24:44 <Nep_Blanc>	also deam that kuchi guy
Nov 05 10:24:48 <Nep_Blanc>	deam much salt
Nov 05 10:24:57 <Nep_Blanc>	I actually really regret commenting on him
Nov 05 10:25:54 <Nep_Blanc>	ah well. I guess he gets what he deserves later on if this really continues because now it is getting rediculous for me
Nov 05 10:25:59 <Koala>	he used to troll the mpv bugtracker with several accounts because mpv doesn't support linked mkvs
Nov 05 10:26:08 <Koala>	hence why I try to just not touch kuchi
Nov 05 10:26:16 <Nep_Blanc>	heh
Nov 05 10:26:34 <Nep_Blanc>	he blames me for bitstarving my videos on x265
Nov 05 10:26:44 <Nep_Blanc>	I see that they are not totally the same as BDMV
Nov 05 10:26:45 <Koala>	he's a fucking retard for using linked MKVs in the first place, when ordered chapters does the same thing and is actually a sane part of the MKV standard
Nov 05 10:27:16 <Koala>	fwiw your encodes are shit based on the comparisons he linked
Nov 05 10:27:27 <Nep_Blanc>	I know
Nov 05 10:27:31 <Nep_Blanc>	not that I care much more
Nov 05 10:28:08 <Nep_Blanc>	just saying most people won't notice and its true I have losses on my encodes and my choice is just flac as a audio standard
Nov 05 10:28:30 <Nep_Blanc>	aac is fine as long you don go lower than 320 bitrate on stereo
Nov 05 10:28:50 <Nep_Blanc>	IDK why he bashes me for that though
Nov 05 10:29:06 <fappu>	a few months back he did this whole rant about how opensource anything is crap compared to closed source alternatives, all because someone said they were going to troll him by uploading 64MB piece torrents to AnimeBytes
Nov 05 10:29:11 <herkz>	>implying aac can't be transparent at bitrates lower than that
Nov 05 10:29:12 <herkz>	nice meme
Nov 05 10:29:24 <Koala>	fappu: amazing
Nov 05 10:29:37 <Koala>	oh right he said closed source is more secure than open source or something
Nov 05 10:29:43 <fappu>	and utorrent 2.x can't handle pieces those sizes
Nov 05 10:29:55 <Koala>	because apparently he doesn't know fuzzers and static analysis don't need the source lmao
Nov 05 10:30:25 <fappu>	yeah, he "proved" his point by pointing out open issues with qbit and other open source clients
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Nov 05 10:30:37 <Koala>	the qBitTorrent bug tracker is a mess
Nov 05 10:30:54 <Koala>	but seriously, just try to ignore kuchi
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Nov 05 10:31:16 <Koala>	if he breaks a rule, I'll deal with him, but engaging with him is just feeding the troll
Nov 05 10:31:50 <Koala>	https://nyaa.si/view/108580 tfw not seeded
Nov 05 10:32:43 <herkz>	https://nyaa.si/view/976152 top kek
Nov 05 10:33:03 <herkz>	>The collapse of nyaa.se has led to a hydra-like proliferation of anime trackers, including at least three different Nyaa successors. Of these, I upload to nyaa.pantsu.cat and nyaa.si. Both sites have removed my old torrents, but block me from reuploading. As such, until the admins of these sites get their heads out of their asses, I recommed acquiring my older releases from anirena.com, anidex.info, or acgnx.se.
Nov 05 10:33:40 <motbob>	<Nep_Blanc> aac is fine as long you don go lower than 320 bitrate on stereo
Nov 05 10:33:44 <motbob>	man
Nov 05 10:33:44 <herkz>	how much do you want to be this is just a case of not migrating old torrents
Nov 05 10:33:48 <herkz>	bet*
Nov 05 10:33:57 <Koala>	aac is fine at 196 kbit/s lel
Nov 05 10:34:07 <Koala>	herkz: 100%, I left him a comment
Nov 05 10:34:15 <motbob>	if you and koby weren't so fucking wrong about everything maybe you'd come out looking good in those flame wars with kuchi
Nov 05 10:34:26 <Koala>	lol he uses avi
Nov 05 10:34:44 <herkz>	sadly they're all idiots, motbob
Nov 05 10:34:46 <Koala>	I'm with motbob here
Nov 05 10:34:55 <herkz>	for some reason, dual audio anime releases attract the dumbest people around
Nov 05 10:34:59 <Nep_Blanc>	motbob, you mean me?
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Nov 05 10:35:05 <motbob>	i mean you
Nov 05 10:35:05 <herkz>	notice how there's no one like them that only does single audio
Nov 05 10:35:07 <QQ>	obviously
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Nov 05 10:35:17 <Nep_Blanc>	ugh I just defend what I stood for
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Nov 05 10:35:22 <motbob>	nep_blanc
Nov 05 10:35:23 <Koala>	Nep_Blanc: yeah, you need to do some more homework. Like actually do blind A/B listening tests, encoding comparisons
Nov 05 10:35:24 <Nep_Blanc>	not so toxic though
Nov 05 10:35:28 <motbob>	just give me one audio clip
Nov 05 10:35:36 <motbob>	that sounds different at QAAC 109 than flac
Nov 05 10:35:37 <motbob>	on
Nov 05 10:35:38 <motbob>	e
Nov 05 10:35:39 <motbob>	even one
Nov 05 10:35:54 <Nep_Blanc>	for now I have to choose the audio though
Nov 05 10:36:01 <motbob>	i've got my "expensive headphones" (as you put it)
Nov 05 10:36:05 <motbob>	i'm ready
Nov 05 10:36:11 <Nep_Blanc>	I head it though
Nov 05 10:36:16 <Nep_Blanc>	not that everyone does
Nov 05 10:36:25 <Nep_Blanc>	ah well its just a relative matter man
Nov 05 10:36:54 <motbob>	mate, if you can actually find me an audio clip like that, you will be doing me a big service
Nov 05 10:37:07 <herkz>	FLAC for anime is the worst meme
Nov 05 10:37:09 <Koala>	reminder that you need to do double-blind listening tests, Nep_Blanc. Placebo is a strong effect.
Nov 05 10:37:13 <motbob>	i'll have been foolishly using QAAC all this time, when I should have been using FLAC!
Nov 05 10:37:29 <Nep_Blanc>	also I just stand what with I have atm not that his shit is as bad, I just stated facts and well I am going to stop this mess on my part.
Nov 05 10:37:43 <Nep_Blanc>	also I do make AAC releases on request
Nov 05 10:37:47 <Nep_Blanc>	so does it matter much?
Nov 05 10:38:03 <Nep_Blanc>	and flac could induce placebo I know
Nov 05 10:38:21 <Nep_Blanc>	I just like that he doesn't thats all
Nov 05 10:38:24 <herkz>	well, your wasting tons of time and bandwidth
Nov 05 10:38:25 <motbob>	it sorta matters since you are telling people they are bad for making releases with much lower filesize but same-sounding audio
Nov 05 10:38:32 <herkz>	you're*
Nov 05 10:38:37 <Nep_Blanc>	stating a fact
Nov 05 10:38:41 <Nep_Blanc>	its lossy
Nov 05 10:38:47 <Nep_Blanc>	as my video is also lossy
Nov 05 10:38:48 <motbob>	imate
Nov 05 10:38:50 <motbob>	one audio cli
Nov 05 10:38:53 <motbob>	that's all i ask
Nov 05 10:38:54 <Nep_Blanc>	so does it matter much?
Nov 05 10:39:06 <herkz>	yeah
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Nov 05 10:39:27 <herkz>	both the audio and video could be transparent while still compressed compared to the source
Nov 05 10:39:33 <FichteFoll>	>Release Notes.rtf
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Nov 05 10:39:35 <herkz>	except i guess you don't know what you're doing
Nov 05 10:39:37 <FichteFoll>	could you ... not?
Nov 05 10:39:45 <Nep_Blanc>	herkz please don
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Nov 05 10:40:04 <herkz>	don?
Nov 05 10:40:07 <Koala>	I do music rips in FLAC, because people are gonna reencode to whatever their listening device supports anyway. But with anime the audio mastering isn't that great anyway, so who cares
Nov 05 10:40:31 <Koala>	if it's an application where people won't reencode, lossy-but--transparent is preferred
Nov 05 10:40:35 <herkz>	more like anime is mostly dialogue which barely needs any bitrate
Nov 05 10:40:40 <Koala>	true
Nov 05 10:40:50 <Koala>	could probably even get away with MP3 128kbit/s
Nov 05 10:40:51 <herkz>	like for the dialogue, i imagine he-aac levels of bitrate would be sufficient
Nov 05 10:40:56 <motbob>	NO
Nov 05 10:41:01 <Koala>	:^)
Nov 05 10:41:08 <Koala>	Opus 16 kbit/s
Nov 05 10:41:15 <motbob>	he-aac 64kbps is pretty listenable actually
Nov 05 10:41:19 <motbob>	in dialogue
Nov 05 10:41:26 <herkz>	that's basically what it was designed for
Nov 05 10:41:29 <Nep_Blanc>	=-=
Nov 05 10:41:35 <Koala>	https://people.xiph.org/~jm/opus/opus-1.2/ reminder that Opus is fucking magic
Nov 05 10:41:55 <Koala>	and Opus 1.2 does fullband audio at 14kbit/s
Nov 05 10:41:56 <motbob>	haha Nep_Blanc
Nov 05 10:42:03 <Nep_Blanc>	well I guess you don heard high noise artefacts in aac but ah well, Opus is but its not syncing well in mvk
Nov 05 10:42:04 <motbob>	none of us are gonna be using 64kpbs anytime soon
Nov 05 10:42:15 <QQ>	pls
Nov 05 10:42:46 <motbob>	can someone link me something about this "opus doesn't sync well in mkv" thing
Nov 05 10:43:43 <motbob>	i've heard it more than once
Nov 05 10:43:51 <herkz>	although speaking of FLAC, i did do some testing once for some anime and the bitrate was only like ~300-400kbps in the end
Nov 05 10:43:58 <herkz>	still bloated but it can end up hilariously small in some cases
Nov 05 10:44:14 <Nep_Blanc>	at least it is lossy though
Nov 05 10:44:19 <herkz>	sadly most people do ~le 24-bit flac~
Nov 05 10:44:24 <herkz>	which is gigantic
Nov 05 10:44:30 <Koala>	upsampling to 24 bit is such a dumb meme
Nov 05 10:44:54 <Nep_Blanc>	if source audio is I use 24 bit
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Nov 05 10:44:59 <OmegaPhil>	Isnt CD audio 16bit?
Nov 05 10:45:00 <Nep_Blanc>	if not than not
Nov 05 10:45:05 <Koala>	CD audio is 16 bit
Nov 05 10:45:08 <herkz>	i've seen 24-bit flac that's like 200mb for an episode of anime
Nov 05 10:45:10 <QQ>	16/44.1
Nov 05 10:45:11 <herkz>	top kek
Nov 05 10:45:15 <Koala>	because that's really all you need in non-studio applications
Nov 05 10:45:39 <Koala>	reminder: read https://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
Nov 05 10:45:59 <Koala>	>Its playback fidelity is slightly inferior to 16/44.1 or 16/48, and it takes up 6 times the space.
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Nov 05 10:46:12 <QQ>	24/192 or bust :^)
Nov 05 10:46:34 <Koala>	tfw you placebo so hard you actually make the quality worse
Nov 05 10:46:59 <QQ>	higher numbers = better quality
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Nov 05 10:47:48 <motbob>	yeah but
Nov 05 10:48:01 <motbob>	i can slow it down by 4x in audacity and it'll still sound good
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Nov 05 10:48:19 <motbob>	bring on the 192kHz revolution
Nov 05 10:48:39 <Nala_Alan>	most 24 bit flacs are from WEB sources which actually are in 24bit
Nov 05 10:50:28 <motbob>	then the source needs to be fixed
Nov 05 10:50:54 <motbob>	oh, i guess you're saying that people aren't usually upscaling
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Nov 05 10:51:36 <motbob>	i think most people use eac3to for this stuff which handles bit depth automatically
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Nov 05 10:53:57 <Nep_Blanc>	idk bout that
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Nov 05 10:54:18 <Nep_Blanc>	I select it manually based on the sources
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Nov 05 10:57:03 <fappu>	>ignoring Rotational velocidensity
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Nov 05 11:04:54 <Nep_Blanc>	I've made samples of a full episode
Nov 05 11:04:59 <Nep_Blanc>	where do you want me to post em?
Nov 05 11:05:56 <motbob>	just post a small sample that you think sounds different
Nov 05 11:06:03 <motbob>	or a few small samples
Nov 05 11:06:09 <motbob>	that's how these tests usually work
Nov 05 11:06:15 <Nep_Blanc>	filedropper enough?
Nov 05 11:06:22 <motbob>	whatever works
Nov 05 11:06:31 <Nep_Blanc>	I just do one episode of youjo senki
Nov 05 11:06:36 <motbob>	ok but
Nov 05 11:06:44 <Nep_Blanc>	the intro is really sound rich but the rest is different
Nov 05 11:06:45 <motbob>	i'm not going to listen to a whole episode
Nov 05 11:06:58 <Nep_Blanc>	https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372679271547928587/376776537883541534/unknown.png
Nov 05 11:07:04 <Nep_Blanc>	https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372679271547928587/376776631487823892/unknown.png
Nov 05 11:07:10 <Nep_Blanc>	indication where some parts are
Nov 05 11:07:19 <Nep_Blanc>	but sure Iĺl post em
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Nov 05 11:08:02 <motbob>	aight
Nov 05 11:08:49 <motbob>	i'm gonna take your flac, encode to qaac, upscale the qaac to flac, and then randomize the two flac files
Nov 05 11:09:06 <herkz>	what aac encoder are you using, Nep_Blanc?
Nov 05 11:09:10 <herkz>	also is that >>>>>>>>>CBR
Nov 05 11:09:18 <Nep_Blanc>	yes and yes
Nov 05 11:09:31 <Nep_Blanc>	I actually made it go overbitrate
Nov 05 11:09:36 <QQ>	wat
Nov 05 11:09:43 <Nep_Blanc>	320 preset
Nov 05 11:09:53 <herkz>	"yes" is not a valid answer to what encoder you're using
Nov 05 11:10:00 <Nep_Blanc>	oh ups
Nov 05 11:10:12 <Nep_Blanc>	I have foobar with the libraries attached to it
Nov 05 11:10:13 <motbob>	inb4 ffmpeg
Nov 05 11:10:18 <motbob>	WHICH LIBRARIES
Nov 05 11:10:19 <Nep_Blanc>	basically ffmpeg
Nov 05 11:10:22 <motbob>	oh ok
Nov 05 11:10:27 <motbob>	thank you for your time
Nov 05 11:10:28 <Koala>	lol the ffmpeg aac encoder
Nov 05 11:10:31 <motbob>	i don't need to deal with you anymore
Nov 05 11:10:37 <Nep_Blanc>	say wut
Nov 05 11:10:49 <Koala>	also btw those spectograms don't mean shit considering psychoacoustic optimisations
Nov 05 11:10:59 <Koala>	Nep_Blanc: the ffmpeg aac encoder is notoriously bad
Nov 05 11:11:12 <herkz>	^
Nov 05 11:11:48 <Nep_Blanc>	well winamp FhG rings a bell?
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Nov 05 11:12:02 <Nep_Blanc>	idk reasons why I don use aac much
Nov 05 11:12:21 <motbob>	get a qaac binary man
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Nov 05 11:12:34 <Koala>	either get qaac or fdk_aac
Nov 05 11:13:22 <motbob>	can you make qaac work by installing quicktime standalone? or do you have to install itunes? i forget
Nov 05 11:13:49 <Nep_Blanc>	oh I never consider apple sorry
Nov 05 11:13:52 <Nep_Blanc>	even if it is that great
Nov 05 11:14:01 <Nep_Blanc>	I need to install itunes for it
Nov 05 11:14:10 <Koala>	you don't
Nov 05 11:14:11 <Nep_Blanc>	I rather not do that
Nov 05 11:14:15 <Koala>	you can extract it from the installer
Nov 05 11:14:29 <Nep_Blanc>	sorry for being so bluntly against apple stuff
Nov 05 11:15:12 <Nep_Blanc>	I rather just stay out of that rabbithole though, but if its possible to get that so called awesome encoder (not sure if it matters much)
Nov 05 11:15:20 <QQ>	Also doesn't youjo senki come with 2.1 audio?
Nov 05 11:15:21 <QQ>	Is this even supported by aac and flac?
Nov 05 11:15:40 <motbob>	you just drop the lfe and compare after that
Nov 05 11:15:45 <Koala>	"(not sure if it matters much)" it does
Nov 05 11:15:57 <Nep_Blanc>	it came with stereo
Nov 05 11:16:00 <Nep_Blanc>	on the bdmv as well
Nov 05 11:16:04 <Koala>	it's a difference between losing to MP3 LAME and actually being good
Nov 05 11:16:24 <Nep_Blanc>	ah
Nov 05 11:16:30 <Nep_Blanc>	well mp3 lame is laaaame :P
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Nov 05 11:16:45 <motbob>	actually
Nov 05 11:16:52 <Nep_Blanc>	joking though
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Nov 05 11:17:03 <motbob>	how does mpc handle 2.1 audio
Nov 05 11:17:05 <Nep_Blanc>	em filedropper fails me atm
Nov 05 11:17:09 <Nep_Blanc>	hmm
Nov 05 11:17:15 <motbob>	does it just drop the lfe channel
Nov 05 11:17:25 <motbob>	unless you have a subwoofer
Nov 05 11:17:37 <Nep_Blanc>	or just goes on both channels
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Nov 05 11:18:52 <Nep_Blanc>	http://www.filedropper.com/nepblancyoujosenki01track2jpn
Nov 05 11:18:56 <Nep_Blanc>	that is the m4v
Nov 05 11:19:03 <Nep_Blanc>	for some reason the flac does not want to upload
Nov 05 11:19:07 <Nep_Blanc>	give me a sec
Nov 05 11:19:34 <motbob>	i'm not gonna be using your aac encode(s)
Nov 05 11:19:48 <Nep_Blanc>	no shit
Nov 05 11:19:53 <Nep_Blanc>	but I only make them on req
Nov 05 11:20:01 <motbob>	i mean, for this test
Nov 05 11:20:09 <Nep_Blanc>	huh?
Nov 05 11:20:28 <Nep_Blanc>	so you are gonna make aac encode on it?
Nov 05 11:20:29 <motbob>	what do you mean huh. what is the thing you linked above? the video?
Nov 05 11:20:38 <Nep_Blanc>	noo
Nov 05 11:20:41 <motbob>	ok
Nov 05 11:20:45 <Nep_Blanc>	that is the m4v
Nov 05 11:20:48 <Nep_Blanc>	aka sound file
Nov 05 11:20:49 <motbob>	i will encode the aac myself, is what i'm saying
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Nov 05 11:20:56 <motbob>	since you don't care about encoder quality
Nov 05 11:20:57 <Nep_Blanc>	aac sound
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Nov 05 11:21:35 <Nep_Blanc>	ah ok then
Nov 05 11:21:42 <Nep_Blanc>	well the flac has issues with uploading
Nov 05 11:21:52 <Nep_Blanc>	don know why it did that the first place
Nov 05 11:22:07 <Nep_Blanc>	and again error occurred
Nov 05 11:22:12 <Nep_Blanc>	hmm some other dropper site
Nov 05 11:22:33 <fappu>	https://mixtape.moe/
Nov 05 11:22:37 <motbob>	if you made small samples you could just use pomf
Nov 05 11:22:48 <Nep_Blanc>	thats the thing
Nov 05 11:23:18 <Nep_Blanc>	ugh
Nov 05 11:23:27 <Nep_Blanc>	why have I not just used my own stuff the first place
Nov 05 11:23:28 <Nep_Blanc>	sec
Nov 05 11:24:47 <Nep_Blanc>	https://vids.theroaringlion.net/pictures/Nep_Blanc%20Release%20Group/Sound%20shitz/%5BNep_Blanc%5D%20Youjo%20Senki%2001%20_track2_jpn%20timed%20.flac
Nov 05 11:24:57 <Nep_Blanc>	my own server though through coudflare
Nov 05 11:25:05 <Nep_Blanc>	*cloudflare
Nov 05 11:25:08 <motbob>	ok
Nov 05 11:25:18 <motbob>	which parts of this do you want me to cut out and test
Nov 05 11:25:51 <Nep_Blanc>	first part
Nov 05 11:25:57 <Nep_Blanc>	some talking scenes
Nov 05 11:26:09 <Nep_Blanc>	and last part aka ED
Nov 05 11:26:22 <Nep_Blanc>	first part is with explosions and some idle chatter
Nov 05 11:26:43 <Nep_Blanc>	I do say it is pretty well done sound so far for the series
Nov 05 11:26:48 <Nep_Blanc>	but thats just me
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Nov 05 11:45:23 <duplex>	wtf did i miss
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Nov 05 11:47:48 <Nep_Blanc>	a lot I guess
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Nov 05 11:51:51 <JY>	!getquote
Nov 05 11:51:59 <JY>	mmh wrong chan
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Nov 05 12:09:06 <duplex>	>using non-free aac when you can just use Opus, an open, royalty-free low-delay audio format suitable for a wide range of audio applications
Nov 05 12:09:41 <herkz>	sad
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Nov 05 12:31:26 <thebombzen>	Nep_Blanc: if you *really* want AAC, you can get QAAC but not iTunes by downloading iTunes and opening the installer executable as an archive with 7-zip. Inside you'll find Apple Application Support 64.msi or something
Nov 05 12:31:27 <thebombzen>	install that
Nov 05 12:31:35 <thebombzen>	but honestly, use Opus
Nov 05 12:31:36 <duplex>	^
Nov 05 12:31:42 <duplex>	also ^
Nov 05 12:32:14 <duplex>	itunes is such a horrendous piece of shit
Nov 05 12:32:27 <thebombzen>	when I hear people use it as their default player I get sad
Nov 05 12:32:34 <Nep_Blanc>	opus and syncing issues hmm have to still look into that, but still not really into the opus stuff
Nov 05 12:32:36 <duplex>	there are electron apps more efficient than itunes
Nov 05 12:32:53 <thebombzen>	Nep_Blanc: if you're having syncing issues with opus it's because you're not muxing it correctly
Nov 05 12:33:02 <thebombzen>	that's your fault
Nov 05 12:33:10 <Nep_Blanc>	mkvtoolnix is what I use mainly
Nov 05 12:33:19 <thebombzen>	have you tried not adding a delay to the audio
Nov 05 12:33:26 <thebombzen>	that'll fix your syncing issues
Nov 05 12:33:28 <Nep_Blanc>	I don add delay
Nov 05 12:33:35 <thebombzen>	good, then you won't have syncing issues
Nov 05 12:34:04 <thebombzen>	I mean just `opusenc --bitrate 128 input.flac output.opus
Nov 05 12:34:06 <thebombzen>	really really easy
Nov 05 12:34:20 <Nep_Blanc>	also I mainly encode on linux
Nov 05 12:34:33 <thebombzen>	which is why I provided the command-line tool for Linux
Nov 05 12:34:52 <Nep_Blanc>	also its apparentlu built into cli of handbrake too
Nov 05 12:34:55 <Nep_Blanc>	same goes for gui
Nov 05 12:34:59 <thebombzen>	>handbrake
Nov 05 12:35:04 <Nep_Blanc>	I know
Nov 05 12:35:06 <thebombzen>	you could also, you know, just avoid that particular piece of software
Nov 05 12:35:12 <Nep_Blanc>	and you guys brag that it is bad
Nov 05 12:35:18 <thebombzen>	there's a reason for that
Nov 05 12:35:40 <Nep_Blanc>	come up wit ha good one and Iĺl listen but otherwise meh
Nov 05 12:36:15 <thebombzen>	Handbrake is specifically designed to be "as easy to use" and to do this it hides internal settings that competent people would like to change
Nov 05 12:36:37 <Nep_Blanc>	I did hit that wall though
Nov 05 12:36:40 <Nep_Blanc>	not many times
Nov 05 12:36:54 <thebombzen>	if you use Handbrake you're locked into using bad default settings that you should want to change if you're competent enough
Nov 05 12:37:09 <Nep_Blanc>	so far no real reason to not use it
Nov 05 12:37:25 <thebombzen>	you mean other than "if you use Handbrake you're locked into using bad default settings that you should want to change if you're competent enough"
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Nov 05 12:37:52 <iORcHiD>	That affects quality very well Nep_Blanc compression and what not
Nov 05 12:38:05 <Nep_Blanc>	I know
Nov 05 12:38:10 <Nep_Blanc>	so far this is not been the issue
Nov 05 12:38:30 <iORcHiD>	You should compare your encode with others
Nov 05 12:38:42 <iORcHiD>	that will give you more precise idea
Nov 05 12:38:43 <Nep_Blanc>	and other applications were also doable but so unsupported in documentation that Ive just left it
Nov 05 12:38:48 <Nep_Blanc>	I compared it
Nov 05 12:38:51 <Nep_Blanc>	seen it
Nov 05 12:38:54 <Nep_Blanc>	and just thought
Nov 05 12:38:56 <Nep_Blanc>	good enough
Nov 05 12:39:12 <Nep_Blanc>	otherwise it would have been different
Nov 05 12:39:18 <thebombzen>	>unsupported in documentation
Nov 05 12:39:25 <thebombzen>	`man opusenc`
Nov 05 12:40:29 <Nep_Blanc>	if there is almost no documentation its more or less guess work
Nov 05 12:41:11 <duplex>	`opusenc --help`
Nov 05 12:41:29 <Nep_Blanc>	and if you credit me as a 2nd tier encoder thats upto you. I wasnt talking about opus derp
Nov 05 12:43:39 <thebombzen>	then what are not using because it has no documentation?
Nov 05 12:45:10 <thebombzen>	have you also considered that perhaps Handbrake is causing syncing issues with Opus and that might be a reason not to use it? Nobody else seems to have these "syncing issues" and nobody else uses Handbrake
Nov 05 12:45:16 <Nala_Alan>	why do people use markdown code marks in irc
Nov 05 12:45:23 <thebombzen>	habit
Nov 05 12:45:31 <duplex>	oh i didn't even notice comment editing was merged
Nov 05 12:45:36 <duplex>	sanks AMM ^_____^
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Nov 05 12:45:57 <thebombzen>	arigatou gozaimasu
Nov 05 12:46:02 <thebombzen>	gotta be a weeb at it
Nov 05 12:46:14 <herkz>	>>>>>>>>>handbrake
Nov 05 12:46:17 <herkz>	log off forever pls
Nov 05 12:46:18 <Nep_Blanc>	I don't think handbrake adds opus if it has sync issues
Nov 05 12:46:23 <Nep_Blanc>	herkz shut up :P
Nov 05 12:46:42 <thebombzen>	"I don't think handbrake adds opus if it has sync issues" <----- what?
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Nov 05 12:46:54 <Nep_Blanc>	they test it at least
Nov 05 12:46:59 <thebombzen>	what are you talking about
Nov 05 12:47:12 <thebombzen>	if you're not producing Opus with handbrake, then how the hell did you end up misaligning your audio
Nov 05 12:47:16 <Nep_Blanc>	why would that open source project add it if it does't work right
Nov 05 12:47:23 <kme>	motbob, watching your your name release and nice typesetting job
Nov 05 12:47:27 <duplex>	it works fine?
Nov 05 12:47:31 <Nep_Blanc>	okay tomzen I have not used it
Nov 05 12:47:36 <Nep_Blanc>	you think I used it ?
Nov 05 12:47:47 <Nep_Blanc>	I just read up into it and heard about it
Nov 05 12:47:58 <thebombzen>	from the way you're insisting it's a good piece of software I did believe you use it yes
Nov 05 12:48:05 <Nep_Blanc>	heh
Nov 05 12:48:18 <Nep_Blanc>	I've also had the moments that it is shit as fuck
Nov 05 12:48:26 <thebombzen>	you mean like every moment
Nov 05 12:48:31 <Nep_Blanc>	but for some parts it is as is a pretty good software packet
Nov 05 12:48:42 <thebombzen>	and yes, everyone else stays the hell away from it, so why would you insist it's good contrary to widely accepted common knowledge, and then not use it
Nov 05 12:48:51 <Nep_Blanc>	and if you judge me on that thats your thought
Nov 05 12:49:17 <thebombzen>	so you do use it
Nov 05 12:49:32 <Nep_Blanc>	I always have tried to see the gem in some stuff and this time I also wanted to rid of HB but so far no competent Linux counterpart
Nov 05 12:49:44 <thebombzen>	um
Nov 05 12:50:23 <thebombzen>	what do you even use Handbrake for? encoding opus? Opusenc. Multiplexing? Mkvtoolnix. Encoding? x264 CLI. Encoding Audio? Opusenc/flacenc/fucking ffmpeg.c works fine at that
Nov 05 12:50:33 <duplex>	filtering -> vapoursynth
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Nov 05 12:50:48 <thebombzen>	well I don't even think Handbrake wraps libavfilter
Nov 05 12:50:54 <thebombzen>	so you probably actually can't filter with it
Nov 05 12:50:59 <OmegaPhil>	but muh push buttan?
Nov 05 12:51:18 <Koala>	PUSH BUTTAN MAEK ANIME
Nov 05 12:51:27 <Koala>	HOW 2 CONVERT FILE 4 FREE
Nov 05 12:51:48 <duplex>	if you're using linux and relying on PRES BUTAN frontends you should probably just buy a mac tbh
Nov 05 12:52:04 <thebombzen>	>tfw actually advocating ffmpeg.c as a better tool
Nov 05 12:52:31 <Koala>	it happens
Nov 05 12:54:09 <Nep_Blanc>	macs that is dumb of you to say
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Nov 05 12:54:24 <Nep_Blanc>	I despise Apple
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Nov 05 12:56:15 <n0kS>	Apple despises you too Nep_Blanc
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Nov 05 12:56:43 <Nep_Blanc>	and neither the less should I care :P
Nov 05 12:57:17 <n0kS>	Apple doesn't care either
Nov 05 12:58:32 <Nep_Blanc>	so whats the problem
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Nov 05 12:58:44 <Nep_Blanc>	I just do not wanna be compared to an apple user
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Nov 05 12:59:13 <n0kS>	yeah that would be degrading, I understand
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Nov 05 13:07:38 <Koala>	https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/paradise-papers-leak-reveals-secrets-of-world-elites-hidden-wealth I am shocked, SHOCKED I SAY
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Nov 05 13:17:17 <motbob>	thanks kme
Nov 05 13:17:31 <motbob>	you're just watching now?
Nov 05 13:17:39 <kme>	yeah
Nov 05 13:18:18 <kme>	still watching
Nov 05 13:19:35 <motbob>	apparently my release was good enough to scare anyone competent from rushing a release out
Nov 05 13:19:41 <motbob>	which, uh, might be a terrible thing
Nov 05 13:19:53 <motbob>	ommie where are you
Nov 05 13:19:57 <motbob>	commie*
Nov 05 13:19:57 <duplex>	[commie] your name aaaaaaaany day now
Nov 05 13:20:15 <kme>	it's a decent release tbh
Nov 05 13:20:25 <kme>	nothing wrong with that
Nov 05 13:20:50 <kme>	as long as there's a good release it doesn't matter what group it was released under
Nov 05 13:21:11 <Koala>	It doesn't matter if you're a boy or a girl as long as your memes are dank
Nov 05 13:21:13 <KoolKidsK>	Also, yeah uh, doesn't vapoursynth work in Linux? With yunno, you don't even need remote desktop to use it
Nov 05 13:21:39 <motbob>	can an un-TLC'd release be called "good"
Nov 05 13:21:41 <duplex>	yes
Nov 05 13:21:52 <duplex>	@ KoolKidsK
Nov 05 13:22:01 <kme>	if the base script was good enough!
Nov 05 13:22:05 <kme>	which i can't judge obv
Nov 05 13:22:13 <duplex>	Narrator: It wasn't.
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Nov 05 13:24:48 <ilikecats>	AMM: i recovered 102k old sukebei .torrents newer than 2015-12-31 (which is a success rate of 40%)
Nov 05 13:24:53 <ilikecats>	do you want those or something?
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Nov 05 13:32:05 <Koala>	>banned malware torrent within less than a minute
Nov 05 13:32:06 <Koala>	feels good
Nov 05 13:32:45 <duplex>	gotta go fast
Nov 05 13:33:05 <motbob>	Nep_Blanc, i constructed an ABX test for you if you want it
Nov 05 13:33:18 <Nep_Blanc>	sure
Nov 05 13:33:36 <Nep_Blanc>	but but what does this involve and how more or less?
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Nov 05 13:34:20 <motbob>	i made 8 folders with two 24bit FLAC files in each. one is an upscaled QAAC 127 encode and one is taken straight from the youjo senki track you gave me with no modification.
Nov 05 13:34:35 <motbob>	https://mega.nz/#!YJVmwRbT!wBbahsH1_r3uFBDjwXmL9RmzAYCfrBn-4eUy-_u7954
Nov 05 13:34:58 <motbob>	there's an instuctions txt file
Nov 05 13:35:08 <motbob>	you can compare the files in any media player
Nov 05 13:35:49 <motbob>	you don't have to report your result or anything. or at least i won't bash you if you don't. this is just for your own edification
Nov 05 13:36:07 <Nep_Blanc>	sure thanks motbob
Nov 05 13:36:20 <Nep_Blanc>	Iĺl listen carfully when I am not as ehm heated lets say
Nov 05 13:36:51 <Nep_Blanc>	this is all way too recent on me I have to punch something or just let it goooo let it gooo :P
Nov 05 13:36:56 <motbob>	i found it impossible to tell but that doesn't prove anything ofc