[19:37] <ouchy`> as i said, i dont think theres anything wrong with it, life is expensive, these people get millions of euros, and i dont got a job
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[19:37] <DragonSlayer> ouchy`..........meet DoopzBarkley......
[19:37] <ouchy`> i cant afford paying everything im using/listening/playing
[19:37] <DoopzBarkley> well well i understand there's a thief in this channel i aim to burglarize them
[19:37] <DoopzBarkley> so whats the issue
[19:38] <DragonSlayer> ouchy` thinks downloading music illegally is right that is all.......
[19:38] <ouchy`> theres no issue
[19:38] <DoopzBarkley> well uh
[19:38] <DoopzBarkley> what do you mean by right
[19:38] <DoopzBarkley> because really
[19:38] <DragonSlayer> (we can go to the whole argument about BLACK MUSIC after this)
[19:38] <DoopzBarkley> there isn't a justification that exists outside of the possible anarchist one
[19:38] <ATARI> keep those bl*cks out of my music
[19:38] <DoopzBarkley> that would condone deliberately breaking the law
[19:38] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley
[19:38] <DoopzBarkley> are you downloading for some political statement?
[19:39] <ouchy`> spittin in the street is illegal as well
[19:39] <ouchy`> yet i dont give a shit
[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> no it isn't
[19:39] <ouchy`> yes it is
[19:39] <ouchy`> here at least
[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> no...it isn't
[19:39] <ouchy`> yes it is
[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> well in many countries it isn't
[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> plust
[19:39] <ouchy`> well in my country it is
[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> you can't say that because some laws are possibly unfair
[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> all laws are
[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> do you understand why people pay for things?
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[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> I mean it is the basic idea under capitalist society
[19:39] <DoopzBarkley> and like i said barring a political reason
[19:40] <DoopzBarkley> your agreeing to participate in capitalist society means that like all things, music should be paid for
[19:40] <DoopzBarkley> if the artist demands payment
[19:40] <ouchy`> you're going a bit too far into the arguement, its more about not being able to afford the material im dling
[19:40] <ouchy`> also DoopzBarkley
[19:40] <DoopzBarkley> if you can't afford it that has nothing to do with morality of the issue
[19:40] <ouchy`> artists do not get 5% of what they produce
[19:40] <DragonSlayer> NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD IT DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT
[19:40] <DoopzBarkley> i have way more music than you do most assuredly
[19:41] <ouchy`> not that i care
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> and i know i am committing an immoral deed
[19:41] <ouchy`> i don't
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> well then i'm afraid you're wrong
[19:41] <ouchy`> i will keep doing it
[19:41] <DragonSlayer> dude ouchy` you dont get it, WE DO IT TOO ARE YOU READING
[19:41] <ouchy`> not agreeing with you doesn't mean being wrong mate
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> well you've never argued with me before
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> so
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> look
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> STEALING
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> is morally wrong on a lot of levels
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> UNLESS
[19:41] <DoopzBarkley> you can come up with a reason why it's NOT
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> so
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> either give me the reason
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> or you are wrong
[19:42] <ouchy`> i think stealing when you cant afford paying isn't wrong
[19:42] <DragonSlayer> *walks to a shop and steals a large 40" tv*
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> well um
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> a lot of people
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> yes
[19:42] <ouchy`> it also depends on other factors
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> steal television sets
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> or cameras
[19:42] <ouchy`> such as what you're "stealing"
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> and sell them
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> yes but
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> if it isn't a requirement for life
[19:42] <ouchy`> read what I just said
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> such as stealing food
[19:42] <ouchy`> it depends on what you're "stealing"
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> yes but what you said doesn't apply to the standard
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> you're talking
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[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> games movies music
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> none of which are necessity
[19:42] <DoopzBarkley> in fact by being on this channel
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> you indiacte you have the disposable income TO purchase music
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> you choose not to
[19:43] <ouchy`> music, games, and movies aren't cars or money
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> and in so make a moral and legal choice into the negative
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> what?
[19:43] <ouchy`> what im saying is
[19:43] <ATARI> i don't think he knows what the word necessity means
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> if you steal to live, yes, when you can't afford it, it's not so bad
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> it's still illegal first off
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> and still morally wrong
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> but sometimes you must feed yourself or others
[19:43] <DoopzBarkley> but if it's entertainment
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> regardless of anything
[19:44] <ouchy`> what is illegal isn't morally wrong
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> it's still illegal and immoral
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> i never said i twas
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> are you trying to catch ME in a logical flaw
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> are you kidding me
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> don't even kid
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> i didn't say
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> WHAT'S ILLEGAL IS IMMORAL
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> ever
[19:44] <ouchy`> well as i was saying
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> i said that stealing ENTERTAINMENT
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> is immoral
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> unless
[19:44] <ouchy`> it depends on what you're "stealing"
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> you can come up with a reason it isn't
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> ENTERTAINMENT
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> THAT'S IT
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> ENTERTAINMENT
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> we are stealing
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> MUSIC
[19:44] <ramirez> this is really entertaining btw
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> MOVIES
[19:44] <DoopzBarkley> GAMES
[19:45] <Myst> lol
[19:45] <ouchy`> the problem with this conversation is that im not really reading what you're saying
[19:45] <ramirez> wow
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> quit bringing up sustenance economies where people are stealing to SURVIVE
[19:45] <ouchy`> since you're just spamming random stuff
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> MUSIC MOVIES GAMES
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> MUSIC MOVIES GAMES
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> no
[19:45] <DragonSlayer> no ouchy` hes not
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> i'm not
[19:45] <DragonSlayer> you are getting murdered like i said
[19:45] <DragonSlayer> 8)
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> <ouchy`> it depends on what you're "stealing"
[19:45] <ramirez> :p
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> MUSIC MOVIES GAMES
[19:45] <ouchy`> no hes just repeating the same stuff
[19:45] <ouchy`> yes DoopzBarkley lemme just finish what i was saying
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION
[19:45] <ramirez> because you arent replying
[19:45] <ouchy`> ramirez i dont have time :/
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> it is NOT dependent
[19:45] <ouchy`> hes saying one thing after another
[19:45] <DragonSlayer> says the person who has said "read what i said" and "it depends on what you're "stealing"" like 5 times..........
[19:45] <ouchy`> i cant reply on everything
[19:45] <DoopzBarkley> i'm saying the same thing and you aren't answering
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> you keep saying
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> IT DEPENDS
[19:46] <ouchy`> especially since its 5 am!!
[19:46] <DragonSlayer> so you arent even willing to get in a losing argument
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> but i've given you the dependent clause!
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> <ouchy`> it depends on what you're "stealing"
[19:46] <ouchy`> alright so
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> MUSIC MOVIES GAMES
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> that is th situation
[19:46] <ouchy`> yes i know
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> ignore all others
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> now reply to it
[19:46] <ouchy`> yes i will
[19:46] <ouchy`> so
[19:46] <DoopzBarkley> how is that not morally circumspect outside of political reasons
[19:47] <ouchy`> i think that theres a huge difference between stealing a car than a song or movie, besides you're not stealing one person, you're stealing the material from a HUGE company that has millions and millions of dollars and that isn't giving 1 dollar out of 20 per album for example
[19:48] <ouchy`> i think they're stealing the artists
[19:48] <ouchy`> not us
[19:48] <ouchy`> they're stealing their work
[19:48] <DoopzBarkley> okay first of all that is a political reason and secondly it's a dumb political reason
[19:48] <ouchy`> its not a political reason
[19:48] <DoopzBarkley> yes it is
[19:48] <DoopzBarkley> you are saying because you believe
[19:48] <DoopzBarkley> artists are not paid enough
[19:48] <DoopzBarkley> and companies are the real profiteers
[19:48] <DoopzBarkley> you don't want to pay them moeny
[19:48] <DoopzBarkley> money*
[19:48] <ouchy`> id rather give one dollar to the artist than 20 to the company that gets 19 out of it
[19:49] <ouchy`> and its not a dumb reason
[19:49] <ouchy`> its a matter of opinion
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> well it's dumb because it's still morally circumspect
[19:49] <ouchy`> i think you're an idiot
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> when you apply it to
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> MOVIES
[19:49] <ouchy`> you think you're smart
[19:49] <ouchy`> matter of opinion
[19:49] <ramirez> ouchy`... you are missing one important thing. Those companies wouldn't have those millions and millions of dollars if everyone thought like you
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> I never said anything of the sort
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> what about movies and games
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> which cost millions to make
[19:49] <ramirez> Or are you saying that only you have the right to download them for free, and not everyone?
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> also yes
[19:49] <ouchy`> for the games it is the same
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> if everyone in a capitalist system steals moneys
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> steals movies
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> music
[19:49] <DoopzBarkley> whatever
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> you are inbalacingt he trade system
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> people will lose jobs
[19:50] <ouchy`> movies i don't really know how this industry works but im pretty sure its pretty much the same
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> music will become heavily privatized and secured
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> other artists will quit
[19:50] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley, I'm a selfish person
[19:50] <ouchy`> i dont give a shit
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> simply because you have made their field worthless
[19:50] <ouchy`> also
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> selfish hmm
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> you mean
[19:50] <ouchy`> there are people like you
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> immorally selfish
[19:50] <ouchy`> who are paying for these stuff
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> no I'm not
[19:50] <ouchy`> and making those companies richer
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> I haven't bought a cd in a while
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> like
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> from a company never
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> not int he past
[19:50] <ouchy`> so why ar eyou talking
[19:50] <DoopzBarkley> 15 years
[19:51] <ouchy`> listen
[19:51] <ouchy`> you're an hypocrite
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> because i know the music I do download, I am making a bad choice for the economy
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> no i am AWARE
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> there's a difference
[19:51] <ouchy`> THATS WORSE
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> i give money to indie record labels
[19:51] <DragonSlayer> that's exactly what I told him too :(
[19:51] <ouchy`> you're a fucking hypocrite
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> no I'm not
[19:51] <ouchy`> "im aware"
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> I'm completely aware that I am taking money
[19:51] <ouchy`> yes you are
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> from people's hands
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> but
[19:51] <ouchy`> yes and you're still doing it
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> I wouldn't have given it to them
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> IN THE FIRST PLACE
[19:51] <ouchy`> which is what makes you an hypocrite
[19:51] <ouchy`> listen
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> which is an argument you could have made
[19:51] <ramirez> ouchy` he's not a hypocrite since he isn't thinking he's doing the right thing
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> but didn't
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> yes
[19:51] <ramirez> he ACKNOWLEDGES it's immoral
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> hypocrisy would be saying
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> I'TS NOT IMMORAL
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> I'M A GREAT GUY
[19:51] <DoopzBarkley> i'm not
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> some people NEED this money
[19:52] <ouchy`> no, i dont think its wrong
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> if you have an issue with the RIAA or companies
[19:52] <ouchy`> its my opinion
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> take your issuet o them
[19:52] <DragonSlayer> haha you always go back to that
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> don't attempt to overturn the market
[19:52] <DragonSlayer> because you dont have ayn arguments
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> also i don't care if it's your opinion
[19:52] <ouchy`> you're doing something you know is wrong
[19:52] <DragonSlayer> well my opinion is that sky is green
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> opinions are based on arguments
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> if you can't make an argument
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> guess what?
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> your opinion is shit
[19:52] <ouchy`> i just explained my point
[19:52] <ouchy`> in the line above
[19:52] <ouchy`> you disagree
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> no you didn't
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> you said
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> it isn't MORALLY
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> incorrect
[19:52] <DragonSlayer> and then you stopped arguing about it in middle of it >_>
[19:52] <ouchy`> it doesn't make it worse than yours
[19:52] <ouchy`> no
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> to stea
[19:52] <DoopzBarkley> steal*
[19:53] <ouchy`> i didn't stop
[19:53] <ouchy`> (04:46:25) (+ouchy`) i think that theres a huge difference between stealing a car than a song or movie, besides you're not stealing one person, you're stealing the material from a HUGE company that has millions and millions of dollars and that isn't giving 1 dollar out of 20 per album for example
[19:53] <ouchy`> i said that
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> because the product in question
[19:53] <ouchy`> and that summed it up
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> doesn't go 100% to an artist
[19:53] <ouchy`> thats my arguement
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> aside from movies and games
[19:53] <ouchy`> you dont like it
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> where, you know, it does
[19:53] <ouchy`> i cant care less
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> it has nothign to do with liking
[19:53] <ouchy`> its still my opinion
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> your opinion is wrong
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> it isn't a fucking shield
[19:53] <ouchy`> no yours is
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> you can't say stupid fucking things
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> and then say
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> OPINION
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> AHAHAHAH
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> I BEAT YOU
[19:53] <DoopzBarkley> OPINION
[19:53] <ouchy`> no
[19:54] <ouchy`> you said i didn't give any argument
[19:54] <ouchy`> but guess what
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> if i beat the shit out of you
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> and say
[19:54] <ouchy`> you were wrong again
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> it's my opinion
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> that he's too dumb to live
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> and cite this convo
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> as AN ARGUMENT
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> I'm not RIGHT
[19:54] <Ryan> wats going on here
[19:54] <ouchy`> (04:52:48) (+ouchy`) you said i didn't give any argument
[19:54] <ouchy`> (04:52:51) (+ouchy`) but guess what
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> I'M WRONG FOR BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF AN INTERNET RETARD BECAUSE NO ONE SHOULD
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> no
[19:54] <ouchy`> (04:52:54) (+ouchy`) you were wrong again
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> you dumb fuck
[19:54] <ouchy`> yes
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> I DIND'T SAY THAT
[19:54] <DragonSlayer> Ryan just some little fun
[19:54] <ouchy`> no you're a retard
[19:54] <Ryan> in lighter news
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> I said YOU NEED A GOOD ARGUMENT
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> you don't have one
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> you just say
[19:54] <Ryan> i just learned angie by the rolling stones :(
[19:54] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer besidesyou and rami are getting into it
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> WELL
[19:54] <ouchy`> thats unfair
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> I DONT THINK SO
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> that sit
[19:54] <DragonSlayer> sorry
[19:54] <ouchy`> one on one i would eat him
[19:54] <DragonSlayer> i'll be quiet
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> hahaha
[19:54] <DoopzBarkley> you would eat me
[19:54] <DragonSlayer> no you wouldnt
[19:54] <Ryan> ouchy........
[19:55] <Ryan> ou-----chy......
[19:55] <DoopzBarkley> you aint got the skills to eat a nigga ass like me
[19:55] <DoopzBarkley> -kurt cobain
[19:55] <ouchy`> i do
[19:55] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy`- i have the skills to eat a nigga ass
[19:55] <Ryan> when will those clouds all dissapear.....
[19:55] <DoopzBarkley> please put this
[19:55] <ouchy`> actually the only reason why they will think you actually won this argument is that they think like you, and we've already talked about this before
[19:55] <DoopzBarkley> in your irc greet messages
[19:55] <Ryan> ouchy..........ou-chy........
[19:55] <Ryan> where will it lead us..... from here?
[19:55] <ouchy`> Ryan how about you shut up
[19:55] <Ryan> haha
[19:55] <ouchy`> thanks
[19:55] <Ryan> you dont like the rolling stones?
[19:56] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy`- i have the skills to eat a nigga ass
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[19:56] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley, its ok to lose mate
[19:56] <ouchy`> it happens
[19:56] <DoopzBarkley> i wish you actually believed that
[19:56] <Ryan> oh ouchy dont you weep
[19:56] <DoopzBarkley> but you do't
[19:56] <Ryan> all your kisses still taste sweet
[19:56] <ouchy`> i never cry
[19:56] <DoopzBarkley> you made ONE ARGUMENT
[19:56] <ouchy`> im a big boy
[19:56] <DoopzBarkley> and couldn't even back it up
[19:56] <Ryan> i hate that sadness..... in your eyes
[19:57] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley listen there are stuff people just cant agree on, and yes its a matter of opinion
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> do you not see that an economy cannot survive with your prevailing attitude at the least
[19:57] <ouchy`> i gave 3 arguement
[19:57] <ouchy`> s
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> do you not see that an economy cannot survive with your prevailing attitude at the least <<-----
[19:57] <ouchy`> it will survive
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> do you see that what you are doing is economically harmful
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> in what universe?
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> do you know how economics works?
[19:57] <ouchy`> because some people will buy these stuff ;)
[19:57] <ouchy`> so i dont need to
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> dsfaga
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> PREVAILING
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> IF YOUR ATTITUDE
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> IS SOCIALLY HARMFUL
[19:57] <Ryan> what are you guys arguing about
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> WHEN CARRIED TO THE LOGICAL EXTENT
[19:57] <DoopzBarkley> YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING IMMORAL
[19:58] <DoopzBarkley> holy dammit christmas
[19:58] <ouchy`> i don't think its immoral
[19:58] <DoopzBarkley> ryan he thinks stealing music is moral
[19:58] <ouchy`> theres nothing wrong in it
[19:58] <DoopzBarkley> what is your definition of immoral
[19:58] <Ryan> fight the system
[19:58] <DoopzBarkley> but
[19:58] <DoopzBarkley> destroying the economy
[19:58] <DoopzBarkley> is wrong
[19:58] <Ryan> it's not moral (i still do it tho)
[19:58] <ouchy`> Ryan and thats what I dont like
[19:58] <ouchy`> i think its worse to do it when you know its wrong
[19:58] <Ryan> why
[19:58] <DoopzBarkley> because you'll hurt a huge amount of people and set society's cultural conscience back to the stone ages
[19:58] <ouchy`> while i dont think it is
[19:59] <ouchy`> because its pure hypocricy
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> people need profits from music to survive
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> why do you think companies are ONE GUY
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> HOLDING MILLIONS
[19:59] <ouchy`> no they dont DoopzBarkley
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> GOING HEHEHEHEHE
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> yes they do
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> dude
[19:59] <Teloch> do you not think it's wrong solely so you can steal without guilt?
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> i know more musicians
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> than you have ever met
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> they need that shit
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> they have two jobs
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> just to survive
[19:59] <ouchy`> well they do, but their prices are that high that i don't care
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> if you take away their profit
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> they will die
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> they will have NOTHING LEFT
[19:59] <ouchy`> they're making billions of dollar over us
[19:59] <ouchy`> and that is wrong
[19:59] <DoopzBarkley> no they aren't
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> no one person
[20:00] <ouchy`> yes they are
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> is making BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> a ceo makes money yes but guess what
[20:00] <Teloch> music isn't
[20:00] <Teloch> that lucrative
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> its illegal for him to take all the money
[20:00] <ouchy`> its just an expression retard
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> he gives it to the employees
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> including the artist
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> if you want to support your artist
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> you don't STOP BUYING CDS
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> you maybe download and then give money to the artist via concerts
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> that is why teloch ryan etc
[20:00] <ouchy`> i don't support anyone but myself and my family
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> are not hypocrites
[20:00] <DoopzBarkley> and the internet
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> which you pay for
[20:01] <ouchy`> i cant care less if those people are less richer
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> they aren't rich
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> holy shit
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[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> is everyone in your dichotomy
[20:01] <ouchy`> yes they are
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> METALLICA
[20:01] <ouchy`> i dont listen to your crap music
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> have you ever met a musician
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> what hte fuck do you listen to
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> if it isn't mainstream
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> your argument falls apart
[20:01] <ouchy`> it is
[20:01] <ouchy`> so stfu
[20:01] <DoopzBarkley> so you listen to garbage?
[20:02] <DoopzBarkley> you are freely admitting you listen to corporate designed soulless music/
[20:02] <ouchy`> garbage in your opinion
[20:02] <DoopzBarkley> man you are worse off than i thought
[20:02] <DoopzBarkley> no dude, they design it
[20:02] <DoopzBarkley> and have said tehy design it
[20:02] <DoopzBarkley> for lowest common denominators
[20:02] <ouchy`> you're the kind of people who cant admit being wrong and who think their taste of music opinion is so high
[20:02] <DoopzBarkley> ie: people with the lowest sense of taste
[20:02] <ouchy`> that makes you a loser
[20:02] <DoopzBarkley> you know throwing the ad hominems makes you look a lot worse
[20:02] <ouchy`> i bet you're fat and you wank 10 times a day
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> what is this man
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> i took you seriously
[20:03] <Ryan> hahaha
[20:03] <ouchy`> listen dude
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> and you can't even give me the decency of one good argument
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> this is pathetic
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> you fucking fat mouth pig don't talk to me
[20:03] <ouchy`> you are pathetic
[20:03] <ouchy`> you wont even read what im saying
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> I DID
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> I'M THE ONLY ONE
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> STILL TALKING TO YOU
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> BECAUSE I FUCKING DID
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> you dumb shit why would i talk to you if i didn't think you might listen in return?
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> and you're running away now, yes?
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> just hiding
[20:03] <Myst> jeff joining #gwsoldat? wow hi
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> behind insults
[20:03] <ouchy`> because you're an egocentric retard
[20:03] <DoopzBarkley> oh HES FAT
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> HES RETARD
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> not actuall sticking up for anything
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> coward
[20:04] <ouchy`> and you're also an hypocrite
[20:04] <ouchy`> you just insulted me
[20:04] <ouchy`> and now you're blaming me for insulting you
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> hey, yea, guess what
[20:04] <ouchy`> ahhah
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> that's what i do
[20:04] <ouchy`> you're such a joke
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> no i insulted you
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> while REFUTING YOU
[20:04] <ouchy`> ahahaha
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> if i write
[20:04] <ouchy`> make me laugh some more
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> [argument], you dumb faggot
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> it means you've got a thin skin
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> and resort to
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> MOM
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> MOM THE MAN IS YELLING AT ME
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> see, I JUST DID IT
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> i argued
[20:04] <DoopzBarkley> and then insulted you
[20:05] <ouchy`> ...aight............ ahahahaha
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> who the fuck is this kid?
[20:05] <ouchy`> oh god
[20:05] <ouchy`> you're hilarious
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> like, how did he get here?
[20:05] <ouchy`> you're the kid here
[20:05] <DragonSlayer> DoopzBarkley someone from soldat community
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> oh fuckin hell
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> wow
[20:05] <ouchy`> fucking wow
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> man, are you like
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> going to pace around your room
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> fuming
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> HOW DARE HE
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> I...I'LL SHOW HIM
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> tears running down your eyes
[20:05] <ouchy`> actually
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> so ds
[20:05] <ouchy`> im laughing
[20:05] <DoopzBarkley> yo keep him around for comedy right
[20:06] <ouchy`> thanks for the good time mate
[20:06] <DragonSlayer> no
[20:06] <DoopzBarkley> what
[20:06] <DoopzBarkley> why dont you ban him
[20:06] <DragonSlayer> he's my friend
[20:06] <DoopzBarkley> hahaha
[20:06] <DoopzBarkley> your friend's a fuckin retard bro :(
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[20:06] <ouchy`> (05:03:22) (DoopzBarkley) [argument], you dumb faggot
[20:06] <ouchy`> (05:03:30) (DoopzBarkley) it means you've got a thin skin
[20:06] <ouchy`> (05:03:31) (DoopzBarkley) and resort to
[20:06] <ouchy`> i might as well quote you
[20:06] <DoopzBarkley> okay
[20:06] <ouchy`> dumbfuck
[20:06] <DragonSlayer> well i knew where this debate would go
[20:06] <DoopzBarkley> you realize
[20:06] <DoopzBarkley> YOU QUOTED MY RESPONSE
[20:06] <DoopzBarkley> as to why i was insulting you
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> i actually RESPOND
[20:07] <ouchy`> it shows how much of an hypocrite you are
[20:07] <ouchy`> :)
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> andt hen call you a child when you act like one
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> no it isn't
[20:07] <ouchy`> yes it does
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> substanceless insults
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> versus harsh arguing
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> man what is with you
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> did you get the vocab word of the day
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> and get stuck on "hypocrite"
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> i...i wsih i could read the definition...
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> i guess i'll just use it
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> everywhere
[20:07] <ouchy`> no i learned it yesterday
[20:07] <DoopzBarkley> and hope no one notices
[20:08] <ouchy`> well im just repeating it cuz you're prolly the most hypocrite person there is on earth
[20:08] <DoopzBarkley> ...
[20:08] <DoopzBarkley> hypocritical*
[20:08] <DoopzBarkley> oh come on man
[20:08] <DoopzBarkley> come on!
[20:08] <ouchy`> hypocritical
[20:08] <DoopzBarkley> asfasdff
[20:08] <DoopzBarkley> you just demonstrated
[20:08] <DoopzBarkley> YOUD ONT EVEN KNOW THE WORD IS A NOUN
[20:08] <DoopzBarkley> holy shit
[20:09] <DoopzBarkley> ds is he at least
[20:09] <DoopzBarkley> non-native speaker
[20:09] <DragonSlayer> he's french
[20:09] <ouchy`> yea unfortunately english isn't my native language
[20:09] <DoopzBarkley> thank fuck for that
[20:09] <DoopzBarkley> oh christ look
[20:09] <DoopzBarkley> will you at least admit that
[20:09] <Jeff> I dunno I have met lots of native english speakers who speak nothing else that speak like that.
[20:09] <DoopzBarkley> were everyone to adopt your attitude
[20:09] <DoopzBarkley> the economy would fall apart
[20:10] <DoopzBarkley> in regards of movies, music, and games
[20:10] <DoopzBarkley> and of course, other people would carry that into other goods
[20:10] <DoopzBarkley> since your argument that corporations get money
[20:10] <Ryan> btw i dl music but i also spend tons of money on albums and i go to tons of concerts
[20:10] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley, listen I think these people are making way too much money off us
[20:10] <ouchy`> and that is bullcrap
[20:10] <DoopzBarkley> applies to anything with a corporate interest
[20:10] <Ryan> i probably have over 100 albums
[20:10] <DoopzBarkley> no dude answer my question
[20:10] <ouchy`> what is your question
[20:10] <ouchy`> i don't see any question mark
[20:10] <DoopzBarkley> will you admit that if everyone did what you did, the economy would fall apart for those markets
[20:10] <DoopzBarkley> ??
[20:11] <DoopzBarkley> there's two
[20:11] <ouchy`> well
[20:11] <ouchy`> yes
[20:11] <DoopzBarkley> okay
[20:11] <ouchy`> do i think its wrong ? no
[20:11] <DoopzBarkley> now can i also get you to agree that the majority of non-government services are provided via corporations
[20:12] <DoopzBarkley> such as goods and services
[20:12] <Jeff> F*CK CAPITALISM!!!!
[20:12] <DoopzBarkley> ie: food, televisions, clothes
[20:12] <ouchy`> exactly Jeff
[20:12] <DoopzBarkley> ??
[20:12] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley, my main point is that
[20:12] <Jeff> I was joking. I am a die-hard capitalist, dude.
[20:12] <DoopzBarkley> no nononono
[20:12] <DoopzBarkley> i want you to answer my quesitons
[20:12] <DoopzBarkley> you have to follow some logic here don't get scared doop will hold your hand
[20:12] <ouchy`> I'm not just gonna do what you're asking me to
[20:12] <ouchy`> so
[20:12] <DoopzBarkley> what
[20:12] <DoopzBarkley> i am asking you a quetsion
[20:12] <ouchy`> im just going to say what I want
[20:13] <DoopzBarkley> are most services provided by corporations
[20:13] <ouchy`> and answer when im done
[20:13] <DoopzBarkley> ????
[20:13] <DragonSlayer> lol
[20:13] <DoopzBarkley> ds make him answer me, he's writing up some irrelevant rant instead
[20:13] <Jeff> Oh man.
[20:14] <DragonSlayer> ouchy if you want to prove you are not absolutely horrible at arguing, you should maybe try to arguing with him?? he is asking if you know that majority of non-government services are provided via corporations do you agree y/n (/ is not an option)
[20:15] <ouchy`> my main arguement was the following : The prices are way too high for what it is, and these BIG companies are making way too much profits, if they lowered their prices and if i could afford buying them, i would consider buying it, because they're exxagerating and thats why i dont think its wrong
[20:15] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer, what he didn't understand is that its not about everyone
[20:15] <ouchy`> its only about me
[20:15] <DoopzBarkley> okay fine ignore my quesiton
[20:15] <DoopzBarkley> i'll respond to you
[20:15] <Ryan> (ouchy you realize the actual musicians get like 15 cents per sold cd)
[20:15] <Ryan> or some rediculous shit like that
[20:15] <DoopzBarkley> why do you believe the market should respond to you
[20:15] <Ryan> like 1% of each cd sale
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[20:16] <DoopzBarkley> instead of the entirety of soceity
[20:16] <ouchy`> RyanI know that Ryan
[20:16] <ouchy`> - Ryan
[20:16] <ouchy`> and thats why its bs
[20:16] <DoopzBarkley> although you really need to answer my other question to really make progress here
[20:16] <ouchy`> cuz a cd is like 20 euros
[20:16] <Ryan> you're still fucking over the musicians more than the corporations
[20:16] <ouchy`> artists dont even get 5%
[20:16] <DoopzBarkley> okay fine
[20:16] <DoopzBarkley> so you choose
[20:16] <DoopzBarkley> to steal it
[20:16] <DoopzBarkley> correct?
[20:16] <DoopzBarkley> because 1. you can' tafford it
[20:16] <ouchy`> Ryan
[20:16] <DoopzBarkley> 2. artists aren't gaining a profit
[20:16] <Jeff> The artists are gaining a profit.
[20:17] <DoopzBarkley> no nonono this is his arugment
[20:17] <DoopzBarkley> i am restating
[20:17] <Jeff> I know
[20:17] <DoopzBarkley> 1. he can't afford to buy it
[20:17] <ouchy`> well its not even 5% as i said, so id rather not
[20:17] <DoopzBarkley> 2. artists don't make enough of a profit for him to exert himself
[20:17] <Jeff> I am speaking to him responding to you.
[20:17] <DoopzBarkley> is this representative of your argument ouchy?
[20:17] <Jeff> So because it is not higher you refuse to give the artists money at all?
[20:17] <Jeff> I don't understand.
[20:17] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley my third arguement was that
[20:18] <ouchy`> music movies etc arent owned by one person, i would feel guilty to steal somebody's car
[20:18] <Jeff> Music is owned by one person.
[20:18] <Jeff> The writer of the song.
[20:18] <DoopzBarkley> okay
[20:18] <DoopzBarkley> so
[20:18] <DoopzBarkley> 1. can't afford
[20:18] <ouchy`> cuz i know it took them some years to buy it and stuff
[20:18] <DragonSlayer> well Jeff he means he isnt stealing from one person
[20:18] <DoopzBarkley> 2. not enough to the person who created the work
[20:19] <DoopzBarkley> 3. corporates own, instead of individual
[20:19] <Jeff> I understand. I was just adding something, DS.
[20:19] <DragonSlayer> but it's still a bad point and doesnt make it RIGHT OR NOT ILLEGAL
[20:19] <DoopzBarkley> my question then is
[20:19] <DragonSlayer> oh ok
[20:19] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy would you find it moral to steal from a car dealership
[20:19] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer the whole Illegal point is nothing for me
[20:19] <Jeff> He is having a bit of trouble explaining himself, but I get most of what he is saying. I do not agree, but I understand him I think.
[20:19] <DoopzBarkley> all the money does not go to the car makers
[20:19] <DragonSlayer> I understand what he is saying too
[20:19] <DoopzBarkley> you cannot afford a lexus
[20:19] <DoopzBarkley> and it is owned by a group of people
[20:19] <DoopzBarkley> therefore would you steal from a car dealership?
[20:19] <Jeff> Hold on a sec, Steel, let me ask him a few things real quick.
[20:19] <DoopzBarkley> or better
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> would you rob a bank?
[20:20] <ouchy`> its a lot different and thats what I said earlier
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> 1. you cannot afford all the money in the bank
[20:20] <ouchy`> a music isn't a car
[20:20] <ouchy`> you cant compare the two
[20:20] <ouchy`> is like comparing a tomato a gold ring
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> 2. money isn't all given to the person who owns it
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> 3. banks own money enmasse
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> i'm afraid by your own standards
[20:20] <ouchy`> Jeff, its past 5am so yea i do have troubles expressing myself
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> several examples arise
[20:20] <ouchy`> no DoopzBarkley, you're stealing people
[20:20] <ouchy`> its their money in the bank
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> how so?
[20:20] <Ryan> have any of you guys seen into the wild
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> no
[20:20] <ouchy`> yes it is
[20:20] <DoopzBarkley> it is the government's money first of all
[20:21] <ouchy`> no its not
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> all of it is th egovernment's
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> yes
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> none of it is YOURS dude
[20:21] <ouchy`> no
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> banks redsitribute money
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> all the time
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> in every country in the world
[20:21] <ouchy`> its everyones money
[20:21] <Jeff> ouchy, The argument here, from my perspective, is not about the corporations. My issue with your philosophy is that it is essentially to not give artists money at all. I would like to know how you give back to the artists whose music you download but do not pay them anything for.
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> if everyone did a run on the bank and took their money out
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> it would not be there
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> did you know that?
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> the money would be in loans to other people
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> you would run out of money to give back to people
[20:21] <ouchy`> Jeff, id rather not give 19 dollars out of 20 even if im not giving 1 dollar to the artist
[20:21] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy you dont understand banks or music it seeems :(
[20:22] <ouchy`> i dont know if its clear
[20:22] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley...how old are you
[20:22] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy would you steal
[20:22] <DoopzBarkley> a painting
[20:22] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley...how old are you
[20:22] <DoopzBarkley> in a museum
[20:22] <DragonSlayer> older than you ouchy (and me)
[20:22] <ouchy`> ok
[20:22] <ouchy`> what studies
[20:22] <DoopzBarkley> would you steal a painting
[20:22] <DragonSlayer> also he is right about how banks work
[20:22] <ouchy`> wait
[20:22] <Jeff> It is clear, I just wonder why you are essentially advocating cheating money out of the artists who work hard to bring you music that you enjoy.
[20:22] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer
[20:22] <ouchy`> i do study economics
[20:22] <DoopzBarkley> i'm almost done with college and going to law school soon after
[20:22] <DragonSlayer> so have I
[20:22] <DragonSlayer> and he is right about how banks work
[20:22] <DoopzBarkley> also i have an econ text AT MY FEET
[20:22] <ouchy`> ive been studying economics for over 4 years now
[20:22] <ouchy`> and no
[20:22] <DragonSlayer> people who give money to banks
[20:22] <DoopzBarkley> i can take a pic of it
[20:22] <ouchy`> and its everyones money
[20:23] <DragonSlayer> agree that banks are allowed to distribute that money whichever way they want
[20:23] <DragonSlayer> but of course they can have their money back
[20:23] <DoopzBarkley> also would you steal a van gogh painting
[20:23] <DoopzBarkley> he's dead so he's not getting money
[20:23] <DoopzBarkley> it's one person's work
[20:23] <ouchy`> no i wouldn't
[20:23] <DoopzBarkley> and you can't afford it
[20:23] <DoopzBarkley> why?
[20:23] <DragonSlayer> banks make money by INVESTING THE MONEY PEOPLE GIVE TO THEM
[20:23] <DragonSlayer> and the fact you did not know this
[20:23] <Jeff> Okay stop stop stop.
[20:23] <DoopzBarkley> because you would get caught or because it's wrong
[20:23] <Jeff> We are getting off track here.
[20:23] <DragonSlayer> proves that you have pretty shitty economics teacher...
[20:23] <DoopzBarkley> one is a not morally depraved answer
[20:23] <ouchy`> because music movies are just different
[20:23] <DoopzBarkley> can you guess which?
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> but ouchy!
[20:24] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer i never said the contrary
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> we're using
[20:24] <ouchy`> i only said
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> YOUR QUALIFICATIONS
[20:24] <ouchy`> the money banks have
[20:24] <ouchy`> are peoples money
[20:24] <DragonSlayer> if someone steals from the bank
[20:24] <DragonSlayer> THEY STEAL FROM THE BANK
[20:24] <DragonSlayer> not the people
[20:24] <DragonSlayer> the people won't lose anything
[20:24] <ouchy`> they cant just invest is how they want
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> also are you aware money is given power of exchange via the state
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> like
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> a euro doesn't work in america
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> because it's worthless here
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> you have to trade it
[20:24] <ouchy`> i know that
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> for dollars
[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> so once again, money is essentially the government's
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[20:24] <DoopzBarkley> and even then let's use your examl
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> example*
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> and say a few white class guys
[20:25] <ouchy`> im just saying that its basically peoples money who are in that bank
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> white middleclass
00[20:25] <ric> haha did you actually get steel
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> they get together
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> and play tennis
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> so they save their money for tennis balls
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> is it okay to steal this money
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> because these guys will still be rich
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[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> after you steal it
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> wll
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> "rich"
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> not rich
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> but they won't be bankrupted
[20:25] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley if i had to choose between stealing rich people and poor ones
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> (also most people with cars can afford to have them stolen)
[20:25] <ouchy`> the choices would be quickly made
[20:25] <DoopzBarkley> but you don't
[20:25] <ouchy`> -s
[20:26] <DoopzBarkley> that's not a choice here
[20:26] <Ryan> ouchy` is your favorite band metallica
[20:26] <DoopzBarkley> we're using YOUR QUALIFICATIONS
[20:26] <Ryan> were you angry when they sued napster
[20:26] <DoopzBarkley> of morality
[20:26] <ouchy`> i don't know metallica
[20:26] <DragonSlayer> wat
[20:26] <DragonSlayer> what
[20:26] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley, as i said 10 times before
[20:26] <ouchy`> i think its not wrong to steal music and movies, but it is wrong to steal peoples money or even a tomato they bought
[20:27] <ouchy`> i think its just different
[20:27] <Ryan> people make careers out of movies and music too
[20:27] <Ryan> :(
[20:27] <ouchy`> i think its just different
[20:27] <DoopzBarkley> what about
[20:27] <DoopzBarkley> a group farming commune
[20:27] <DoopzBarkley> but it's still immoral by your own standards!
[20:27] <DoopzBarkley> you set up this standard
[20:27] <DoopzBarkley> you are doing something immoral, you just don't want to admit it
[20:27] <ouchy`> for movies and music its not
[20:27] <DoopzBarkley> it's a direct product of labor
[20:27] <ouchy`> immoral imo
[20:27] <DoopzBarkley> i'm sorry!
[20:27] <DoopzBarkley> it is!
[20:27] <ouchy`> no i said for movies and music
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> but you need to have a qualifier
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> as to why ENTERTAINMENT differs
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> from another good
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> if anything stealing something unnecessary is more circumspect morally
[20:28] <ouchy`> because i think its not wrong for these specific materials
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> what about
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> a boardgame
[20:28] <ouchy`> i dont find it immoral when it concerns music and movies
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> or a racecar
[20:28] <ouchy`> are you gonna make a list
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> but that's WRONG
[20:28] <DoopzBarkley> don't you see?
[20:28] <ouchy`> i dont think it is
[20:29] <ouchy`> no
[20:29] <ouchy`> i dont
[20:29] <DoopzBarkley> you've selectively applied morality
[20:29] <DoopzBarkley> APROPOS OF NOTHING
[20:29] <DoopzBarkley> you need a qualification
[20:29] <DoopzBarkley> I do not feel as guilty for stealing music but i recognize it's immoral regardless
[20:29] <ouchy`> ive given arguments about specific materials being music and movies
[20:29] <ouchy`> ive never talked about anything else
[20:29] <DoopzBarkley> no you haven't!
[20:29] <ouchy`> yes i did
[20:29] <DoopzBarkley> you've given MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES
[20:29] <DoopzBarkley> you've never proved it's NOT IMMORAL by your own standards
[20:30] <DoopzBarkley> because almost anything is
[20:30] <Jeff> 23:28 <03+ouchy`> ive given arguments about specific materials being music and movies
[20:30] <Jeff> IMO, you have given no arguments.
[20:30] <Jeff> You have just stated opinions.
[20:30] <ouchy`> im sorry you missed them then
[20:30] <Jeff> .
[20:30] <DragonSlayer> lol
[20:30] <Jeff> wow
[20:30] <DragonSlayer> see jeff
[20:30] <DragonSlayer> :(
[20:30] <Jeff> Yes
[20:30] <Jeff> I see.
[20:30] <Jeff> Wow.
[20:30] <ouchy`> unfortunately its getting late and i ain't gonna repeat!
[20:30] <Jeff> I am blown away by that.
[20:31] <Ryan> clearly steel you are beaten
[20:31] <Jeff> Yeah Steel you are done
[20:31] <Jeff> there is no winning this.
[20:31] <DragonSlayer> he gave you arguments you just missed them
[20:31] <DoopzBarkley> this is so bad though :(
[20:31] <Jeff> Oh man believe me. I agree.
[20:31] <DragonSlayer> wow i feel bad ganging up
[20:31] <Jeff> But man you might as well give it up.
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[20:31] <DoopzBarkley> ds
[20:31] <DoopzBarkley> its okay
[20:31] <DoopzBarkley> my friend once said he believed illegal immigrants
[20:31] <DoopzBarkley> got paid more than legal ones
[20:31] <DoopzBarkley> and i yelled at him for like two hours
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> and he was like NOPE
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> until i finally pulled up stats
[20:32] <Jeff> They do in a real purchasing power crossover from their respective countries, steel.
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> showing that illegal immigrants are paid for shit on purpose
[20:32] <Ryan> my mom was complaining today about how illegal immigrants are "stealing jobs" and stuff i wanted to argue with her
[20:32] <Jeff> But not in terms of money
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> wait
[20:32] <Ryan> but i didn't feel like it
[20:32] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> do you mean they are paid more in thei r own countries?
[20:32] <DragonSlayer> im glad no one in finland is going to argue that Ryan
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> or
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> rather
[20:32] <DragonSlayer> because soon we will need immigrants
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> more than they would be there
[20:32] <Jeff> No I mean like
[20:32] <Jeff> yeah
[20:32] <DragonSlayer> because we dont have enough people for jobs!
[20:32] <Ryan> need?
[20:32] <Jeff> that is most of what I mean
[20:32] <DragonSlayer> yes
[20:32] <DoopzBarkley> well yea
[20:32] <Ryan> ouch
[20:32] <DragonSlayer> not illegal
[20:32] <Jeff> Like
[20:32] <Ryan> ds you better have like
[20:32] <Ryan> 5 kids
[20:32] <Ryan> rami too
[20:32] <Jeff> they might get paid a dollar an hour here
[20:33] <Ryan> you need to repopulate
[20:33] <Jeff> but if you cross that over to their country
[20:33] <ouchy`> alright DoopzBarkley
[20:33] <Jeff> in real purchasing power
[20:33] <ouchy`> been a pleasure...
[20:33] <ouchy`> or not
[20:33] <ouchy`> gn
[20:33] <Jeff> they are getting more than an american
[20:33] <ouchy`> fucking 5:30
[20:33] <ouchy`> fuck you DragonSlayer
[20:33] <DragonSlayer> I told you
[20:33] <ouchy`> bringing tht faggot here
[20:33] <DragonSlayer> that you don't stand a chance
[20:33] <DragonSlayer> :D
[20:33] <ouchy`> i won
[20:33] <ouchy`> pfft
[20:33] <DragonSlayer> HAHAHA
[20:33] <DragonSlayer> dude
[20:33] <Ryan> steel is like the mewtwo of debating
[20:33] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy
[20:33] <Ryan> hes.......unstoppable
[20:33] <DoopzBarkley> do you know a lot of these people
[20:33] <DoopzBarkley> kind of hate me
[20:33] <DoopzBarkley> if you won
[20:33] <DoopzBarkley> they would agree with you!!!
[20:33] <DragonSlayer> you just kept repeating THIS IS MY OPINION / READ WHAT I SAID / DEPENDS WHAT YOU "STEAL" over and over again
[20:33] <DragonSlayer> that's all you ever did
[20:34] <ouchy`> because its all about that
[20:34] <Jeff> Dude yeah man, Steel and I have never got along. I am being perfectly objective about this.
[20:34] <DoopzBarkley> maybe not HATE
[20:34] <DoopzBarkley> but
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> and you suck at arguing for saying shit like WELL YOU JUST MISSED MY ARGUMENTS or I SAY WHAT I WANT
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> seriously
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> you suck at arguing, face it
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> :/
[20:34] <DoopzBarkley> have been audible in disliking in the past
[20:34] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer because IT ACTUALLY IS MY POINT
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> YOUR POINT
[20:34] <ouchy`> i said from the beginning
[20:34] <ouchy`> that
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> BUT YUO DIDNT BASE IT ON ANYTHING
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> and the fact you can't SEE THIS
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> is why you suck at arguing
[20:34] <ouchy`> you think i do!
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> no
[20:34] <Jeff> No.
[20:34] <ouchy`> cuz you suck
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> we think
[20:34] <Jeff> .
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> we all think you suck at arguing
[20:34] <ouchy`> you as in all of you!
[20:34] <DragonSlayer> yes
[20:34] <Jeff> Wow Ds, you hear that, you suck.
[20:35] <DragonSlayer> because we are intelligent internet people
[20:35] <Ryan> o yea ds today some guy was playing a cover of trains by poprcupine tree in one of my local coffee shops
[20:35] <ouchy`> its just that you guys agree on this
[20:35] <DragonSlayer> of course we do
[20:35] <ouchy`> i could get some people who agree with me as well
[20:35] <DragonSlayer> because we are right
[20:35] <ouchy`> easily
[20:35] <ouchy`> no
[20:35] <Jeff> .
[20:35] <DragonSlayer> yeah
[20:35] <DragonSlayer> you could
[20:35] <ouchy`> ok
[20:35] <DragonSlayer> all the retards from qnet
[20:35] <DoopzBarkley> dude
[20:35] <DoopzBarkley> THIS IS AN EXAMPLE
[20:35] <DoopzBarkley> people here
[20:35] <DoopzBarkley> DONT LIKE MY DEBATE STYLE
[20:35] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer...again
[20:35] <DoopzBarkley> they actively DISLIKE IT
[20:35] <DoopzBarkley> if you were debating well
[20:35] <ouchy`> stop being so egocentric
[20:35] <DoopzBarkley> they would have said something
[20:35] <DragonSlayer> I have to dude
[20:35] <ouchy`> stop thinking what you think is right
[20:35] <Jeff> Yeah I hate the way Steel debates, but he is definitely not an idiot.
[20:35] <DragonSlayer> because I hope it wil make you understand
[20:35] <ouchy`> because its not
[20:36] <ouchy`> i do understand your point
[20:36] <ouchy`> i respect it
[20:36] <ouchy`> but i think its not immoral
[20:36] <ouchy`> end of the story
[20:36] <Jeff> You obviously do not respect our opinions.
[20:36] <Jeff> At all.
[20:36] <DragonSlayer> I don't even think in this PEOPLE ARE RIGHT shit, I actively argue against steel about shit like that (eg. him calling music OBJECTIVELY SHIT)
[20:36] <DragonSlayer> but
[20:36] <DragonSlayer> there are certain things
[20:36] <DragonSlayer> which are right and wrong
[20:36] <DragonSlayer> and opinions can sometimes be right and wrong as well
[20:36] <DragonSlayer> YOU CAN HAVE WRONG OPINIONS
[20:36] <ouchy`> and this is not one of them
[20:36] <ouchy`> no
[20:36] <Jeff> .
[20:36] <Ryan> oooo
[20:36] <DragonSlayer> so again my opinion is sky is green
[20:36] <DragonSlayer> because i think so
[20:37] <ouchy`> yes then you're wrong
[20:37] <DragonSlayer> you just missed all my arguments lol
[20:37] <Jeff> .
[20:37] <ouchy`> but
[20:37] <Ryan> my opinion is that french people are all dumb etc and always retreat
[20:37] <ouchy`> (05:35:21) (&DragonSlayer) and opinions can sometimes be right and wrong as well
[20:37] <ouchy`> (05:35:23) (&DragonSlayer) YOU CAN HAVE WRONG OPINIONS
[20:37] <ouchy`> (05:35:25) (+ouchy`) and this is not one of them
[20:37] <ouchy`> (05:35:27) (+ouchy`) no
[20:37] <Ryan> freedom fries hehheh
[20:37] <Jeff> Oh man every time I type out a response ouchy says something that completely blows it away.
[20:37] <Jeff> and all I can say is .
[20:37] <DragonSlayer> man ouchy` if you knew me or steel even a bit
[20:37] <DoopzBarkley> also ds i dont think i say music is objectively shit but that if you can't back your shitty music up with an argument you got shitt taste
[20:37] <DragonSlayer> you'd know
[20:37] <DragonSlayer> we disagree on almost EVERY POSSIBLE TING
[20:37] <DragonSlayer> THING
[20:38] <DragonSlayer> we argue all the time
[20:38] <DoopzBarkley> falls in line with my whole thesis on gw heh
[20:38] <DragonSlayer> so this is not FRIENDS GROUPING UP ON YOU or anything
[20:38] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer so what?
[20:38] <DragonSlayer> but seriously
[20:38] <DragonSlayer> I am telling you
[20:38] <ouchy`> just because you guys agree on this
[20:38] <ouchy`> makes it right?
[20:38] <ouchy`> what a joke
[20:38] <DragonSlayer> yeah it's not like you weren't given a single argument why you are wrong
[20:38] <DragonSlayer> maybe
[20:38] <Jeff> Actually ouchy I don't entirely agree with Steel or DS's views on this issue.
[20:38] <Jeff> So
[20:39] <ramirez> so do I
[20:39] <Jeff> your assertion is totally wrong there.
[20:39] <ramirez> and so would any normal person
[20:39] <DragonSlayer> you should register on GW............. and we should all talk this taking our time
[20:39] <ouchy`> nah
[20:39] <ouchy`> i wont
[20:39] <ramirez> who understands how the society works
00[20:39] <ric> jeff joins the fun!!
04[20:39] <Jeff> ric I love it how I just like definitively proved something he said was wrong
[20:39] <Jeff> and he totally ignored it
[20:39] <Jeff> and won't even respond to it
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> iw ill
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> sweeten the pot
00[20:40] <ric> 8)
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> if you register on gw
00[20:40] <ric> hey jeff how's life been
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> and agree to formally debate me
[20:40] <ouchy`> Jeff what have you said that proved me wrong
00[20:40] <ric> how are you man
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> if i lose ds will ban me
[20:40] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley im not gonna register on gwforums
[20:40] <Jeff> I find this amazing. He is like, some endangered animal and I am a zoologist who just found him after a sighting had not been had for many years.
[20:40] <DragonSlayer> well ouchy`
[20:40] <DragonSlayer> what if
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> if i win ds will ban you
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> idk
[20:40] <DragonSlayer> DoopzBarkley registers on sctfl forums
[20:40] <DragonSlayer> would that be okay...
[20:40] <ouchy`> mostly cause i cant care less about you
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> haha
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> yes
[20:40] <DoopzBarkley> iw ill do that
[20:40] <Jeff> ouchy: you said we all agreed and were ganging up on you
[20:40] <Jeff> but
[20:40] <Jeff> I said I did not agree with DS and Steel on this
[20:40] <ouchy`> i could just ban him or delete his post
[20:40] <ouchy`> cuz i can!
[20:41] <DragonSlayer> haha
[20:41] <DoopzBarkley> how about
[20:41] <DoopzBarkley> an ezboard forum
[20:41] <DoopzBarkley> not on gw or anything
[20:41] <DoopzBarkley> you can have your friends watch
[20:41] <DoopzBarkley> and everything
[20:41] <ramirez> ouchy` assuming that you were right about this
[20:41] <ramirez> i want to ask you something
[20:42] <ramirez> do you acknowledge how much problems we'd have if everyone thought the same way you did
[20:42] <ouchy`> shoot
[20:42] <Jeff> Again he ignores me.
[20:42] <ouchy`> Jeff theres nothing to answer
[20:42] <ouchy`> you just said something
[20:42] <ouchy`> i read it..
[20:42] <DoopzBarkley> i think i said SOCIETAL COLLAPSE three times rami
[20:42] <DoopzBarkley> he said WELL IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN HEH
[20:42] <Jeff> So you still claim that we are all in agreement and ganging up on you then?
[20:42] <Ryan> "do you acknowledge how much problems we'd have if everyone thought the same way you did"
[20:42] <Ryan> ^^^^^^^^^^^
[20:42] <DoopzBarkley> and i mean it probably wouldn't but that has nothing to do with the hypothetical
[20:42] <DragonSlayer> "BUT THEY DONT"
[20:43] <ouchy`> exactly
[20:43] <ouchy`> they dont
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> fcukc
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> i shouldnt had said that
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> fuck
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> fuckckffuck
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> FUCK
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[20:43] <DoopzBarkley> do you think the reason they dont is because
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[20:43] <getthefuckingflag> [DragonSlayer] <Turkpimp> I would think rami was born first. \ <Turkpimp> Like, rami came out.... \ <Turkpimp> and the parents said, "It can't get any worse." \ <Turkpimp> And then they got DS.
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[20:43] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer i already said that earlier nabster
[20:43] <Ryan> haha
[20:43] <Jeff> Dude I asked you a direct question this time ouchy
[20:43] <DoopzBarkley> they are all dumb
[20:43] <Jeff> now you are ignoring me
[20:43] <DoopzBarkley> hahaah that is a great join message
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> ouchy` why won't you just answer the question
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> I will answer why
[20:43] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley, some do , some dont
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> because you know admitting it
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> means you are wrong
[20:43] <ouchy`> thats how it works
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> so you keep running in circles
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> and ignoring everything what proves you wrong
[20:43] <ramirez> so ouchy` in other words
[20:43] <DragonSlayer> and you think it's GOOD ARGUING
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy i am perfectly willing to debate you one on one
[20:44] <DragonSlayer> you think YOU ARE GOOD AT DEBATING
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> NO ONE ELSE POSTING
[20:44] <ramirez> you think that nothing would change
[20:44] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley mate
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> no one at all
[20:44] <ramirez> if everyone stole their games, music and movies
[20:44] <Ryan> ouchy` you really should formally debate steel
[20:44] <ouchy`> you're the only who cares
[20:44] <DragonSlayer> even though you didnt even debate
[20:44] <Ryan> you have quite the argument
[20:44] <Jeff> Dude Steel, you are watching him completely ignore everything that I am saying that definitively with no way around it proves he is wrong, right?
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> no i think everyone wants to see this
[20:44] <DragonSlayer> you just... ignored everything
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> except you becasue you have a weird complex about it
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> come on man
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> i am offering you a chance
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> doy ou know how many people hate me on gw
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> i have THREE BANNED ACCOUNTS
[20:44] <ramirez> btw steel i was informed that
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> i have 11 warns
[20:44] <DoopzBarkley> i'm in the running for WORST MEMBER
[20:45] <ouchy`> that makes you a loser
[20:45] <ramirez> all of your accounts added together
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> you could easily win this
[20:45] <ramirez> has 20 warns
[20:45] <Jeff> Actually you have more than that, Steel
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> yeah i know rami
[20:45] <Jeff> Yeah
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> probably over 20
[20:45] <Jeff> what rami said
[20:45] <ramirez> not that i care......
[20:45] <ouchy`> DoopzBarkley, i dont care enough about it to register there etc.
[20:45] <ramirez> or maybe i do
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> see ouchy i have maybe a few people that will back me up but that's it
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> but dude
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> you cared enough
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> to stay up at 5:30
[20:45] <ouchy`> i will just go on dling more and not caring about it
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> talking to a guy you never met
[20:45] <DoopzBarkley> for at least an hour
[20:45] <ouchy`> yes you were great laugh
[20:45] <ouchy`> thanks
[20:46] <DoopzBarkley> maybe it will be
[20:46] <DoopzBarkley> MORE funny
[20:46] <DoopzBarkley> on a forum??
[20:46] <Jeff> Dude that is a blatant lie and you know it ouchy.
[20:46] <Jeff> You are not laughing about this.
[20:46] <ouchy`> actually i am
[20:46] <Jeff> Or you would not continue to argue.
[20:46] <ouchy`> you dont know me
[20:46] <DoopzBarkley> the french have a bad sense of humor
[20:46] <ramirez> if i was ouchy` i wouldn't want to register on a forum just so everyone would laugh at me either
[20:46] <Jeff> I don't care if I know you.
[20:46] <DragonSlayer> Jeff its the only thing he can do to defend himself at this point, he thinks he is being witty but everyone sees this
[20:46] <ramirez> i am sure ouchy` knows that he's pretty much the only person who can think so ridiculously
[20:46] <DragonSlayer> he isnt
[20:46] <DragonSlayer> the only one
[20:46] <DragonSlayer> unfortunately
[20:46] <Jeff> No because he doesn't think he is being ridiculous rami.
[20:47] <Jeff> He thinks his opinions have nothing wrong with them,.
[20:47] <Jeff> And he is totally confidant in that.
[20:47] <Jeff> e
[20:47] <Myst> i can see what ouchy` means but i don't really care
[20:47] <ouchy`> I just think that you guys are stupid cuz you think your opinions are better than others
[20:47] <Jeff> .
[20:47] <DragonSlayer> we dont think that
[20:47] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy
[20:47] <ouchy`> (05:45:24) (~ramirez) i am sure ouchy` knows that he's pretty much the only person who can think so ridiculously
[20:47] <ouchy`> no you dont
[20:47] <ouchy`> obviously
[20:47] <DragonSlayer> we think your opinion on this subject is wrong
[20:47] <DragonSlayer> that is all
[20:47] <DoopzBarkley> i am tellign you i will let you debate me one on one
[20:47] <ramirez> to be honest
[20:47] <ramirez> in this case
[20:47] <DragonSlayer> and you didn't give us a single argument why it's right
[20:47] <ramirez> i really do think that our opinions are better than yours
[20:47] <ramirez> because
[20:48] <ramirez> this is not a matter of an opinion
[20:48] <ouchy`> i think you're an idiot to think like that
[20:48] <DragonSlayer> HAHA
[20:48] <DragonSlayer> AMAZING
[20:48] <Jeff> Oh man
[20:48] <ramirez> an opinion is that dr. pepper sucks/is good
[20:48] <Jeff> he just called rami an idiot
[20:48] <Jeff> this is amazing
[20:48] <ouchy`> i think its a matter of opinion
[20:48] <DragonSlayer> 06:46:30 (+ouchy`) I just think that you guys are stupid cuz you think your opinions are better than others
[20:48] <DragonSlayer> 06:47:06 (+ouchy`) i think you're an idiot to think like that
[20:48] <DragonSlayer> ha ha ha
[20:48] <Jeff> I have NEVER IN MY LIFE seen anyone call ramirez an idiot.
[20:48] <DragonSlayer> AHHAHA
[20:48] <DragonSlayer> i am laughing os hard
[20:48] <DragonSlayer> hypocrite much??
[20:48] <ramirez> ds calls me a baka all the time
[20:48] <Jeff> yeah but that is because he loves you so much
[20:49] <Jeff> it is a term of endearment
[20:49] <DragonSlayer> ANIKI
[20:49] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer...im saying that hes not respecting others opinion, and that is stupid
[20:49] <DragonSlayer> well whatever
[20:49] <Jeff> I mean I have never seen anyone call you idiot and MEAN IT
[20:49] <DragonSlayer> ouchy just cant admit hes wrong
[20:49] <DragonSlayer> so whatever
[20:49] <ouchy`> because im not wrong...
[20:49] <ramirez> how can i respect an opinion that would put thousands of people out of job
[20:49] <ouchy`> im only werong according to you
[20:49] <ramirez> did i say thousands?
[20:49] <ramirez> that wasn't quite right on the scale
[20:49] <Jeff> That would deny artists that work hard every day to make good music their right to play music and make a living
[20:49] <ouchy`> ramirez, i was only talking about myself, not the others
[20:49] <ramirez> ok so
[20:49] <ouchy`> im one person out of 6 billion
[20:49] <ramirez> you think you deserve to get games music etc. for free
[20:49] <Jeff> Rules do not apply to you right
[20:49] <ramirez> but others don't
[20:49] <ouchy`> so should i feel bad about it
[20:50] <ramirez> well that's just great
[20:50] <ouchy`> ?
[20:50] <ouchy`> no
[20:50] <ouchy`> yes i do
[20:50] <Jeff> that is what you just said ouch
[20:50] <Jeff> oh okay
[20:50] <Jeff> there
[20:50] <Jeff> glad you admit it
[20:50] <Jeff> now you see rami
[20:50] <Jeff> there is no helping him
[20:50] <ramirez> and you just said that i'm an idiot
[20:50] <ramirez> for thinking our opinions are better than your
[20:50] <ramirez> s
[20:50] <Ryan> stupid rami....
[20:50] <ramirez> and then you say that you deserve more than other people
[20:50] <ramirez> on what grounds?
[20:50] <ouchy`> because you said people who thought like me were stupid, in return i said you were stupid to think like that
[20:51] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others, ouchy?
[20:51] <DragonSlayer> I think he said he doesn't think that *_*
[20:51] <ramirez> ouchy`
[20:51] <Jeff> No he said yes, ds
[20:51] <DoopzBarkley> this is so bad man
[20:51] <ramirez> this is comparable to something like
[20:51] <Jeff> look
[20:51] <ramirez> RACISM
[20:51] <DoopzBarkley> goddammit
[20:51] <Jeff> 23:49 <03+ouchy`> yes i do
[20:51] <DragonSlayer> ih
[20:51] <DragonSlayer> ise
[20:51] <ramirez> if someone accepts racism
[20:51] <DragonSlayer> i see
[20:51] <ramirez> do you think it's fine
[20:51] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy` i will seriously debate you outside this
[20:51] <DoopzBarkley> in fact
[20:51] <DoopzBarkley> on ANY SUBJECT
[20:51] <ramirez> i mean
[20:51] <Jeff> He has me on ignore I suspect, DS.
[20:51] <DoopzBarkley> on gw
[20:51] <ouchy`> its not the same subject
[20:51] <DoopzBarkley> he jus tsent me a notice
[20:52] <DragonSlayer> I THINK BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD DIE THIS IS JUST MY OPINION
[20:52] <Jeff> Because he hasn't acknowledged a single thing I have said in like
[20:52] <ouchy`> Jeff I dont have you on ignore
[20:52] <DragonSlayer> YOU CANT COMPARE BLACK PEOPLE TO CARS
[20:52] <DoopzBarkley> -ouchy`- away: away
[20:52] <Jeff> the past 15 minutes.
[20:52] <ouchy`> but everyone is talking
[20:52] <Jeff> Well then answer me.
[20:52] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy` i will debate you on any subject
[20:52] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others?
[20:52] <DoopzBarkley> of your choosing
[20:52] <ouchy`> i cant focus on everything
[20:52] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others?
[20:52] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others?
[20:52] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others?
[20:52] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others?
[20:52] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others?
[20:52] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others?
[20:52] <Jeff> Why do you think you deserve more than others?
[20:52] <Jeff> There
[20:52] <Jeff> Focus on that.
[20:52] <DoopzBarkley> and you can prove you are the better debater
[20:52] <ouchy`> when rami said that i didn't really see the deserve
[20:52] <Jeff> ramirez and I are asking you the same thing
[20:52] <Jeff> asnwer the question
[20:52] <Jeff> do not evade with your crap
[20:53] <Jeff> answer
[20:53] <ramirez> lol
[20:53] <Jeff> Nobody is talking now.
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[20:53] <Jeff> There is no excuse
[20:53] <ramirez> then what did you see?
[20:53] <Jeff> You are not answering
[20:53] <Jeff> because you cannot
[20:53] <ramirez> Jeff he's basically saying that
[20:53] <Jeff> you have no response
[20:53] <ramirez> He accidentally said that he deserves more than others
[20:53] <Jeff> oh really
[20:54] <ramirez> Because he didn't see I used the word 'deserve'
[20:54] <Jeff> well I want to hear this from him
[20:54] <DragonSlayer> 06:51:46 (+ouchy`) when rami said that i didn't really see the deserve
[20:54] <ramirez> Which is funny because
[20:54] <Jeff> If you are not going to answer, ouchy, then just leave.
[20:54] <ramirez> if you take that word out of my sentence
[20:54] <ramirez> it makes no sense at all
[20:54] <ramirez> so i really want to know how ouchy understood it
[20:54] <ouchy`> 1. i never said i deserved it more than the others
[20:54] <ramirez> yes you did
[20:54] <ouchy`> you said that and i said yes i do
[20:54] <DragonSlayer> you did o_o
[20:54] <ouchy`> but as i said
[20:54] <ramirez> 06:48:59 (~ramirez) you think you deserve to get games music etc. for free
[20:54] <ramirez> 06:49:01 (~ramirez) but others don't
[20:54] <ouchy`> i didn't see the "deserve
[20:54] <ouchy`> "
[20:54] <ouchy`> yes
[20:54] <ramirez> 06:49:11 (+ouchy`) yes i do
[20:54] <DragonSlayer> so ouchy` saw it
[20:54] <DragonSlayer> 0(~ramirez) you think you to get games music etc. for free
[20:54] <DragonSlayer> (+ouchy`) yes i do
[20:54] <Jeff> 23:53 <04~ramirez> 06:48:59 (~ramirez) you think you to get games music etc. for free
[20:54] <DragonSlayer> ok
[20:55] <Ryan> ouchy` that sentence makes no sense without deserve
[20:55] <DoopzBarkley> <ouchy`> ramirez, i was only talking about myself, not the others
[20:55] <DragonSlayer> we are buying that haha
[20:55] <Jeff> 23:53 <04~ramirez> 06:48:59 (~ramirez) you think you to get games music etc. for free
[20:55] <Ryan> how did you miss that one word and still understand the sentence
[20:55] <DoopzBarkley> <ouchy`> ramirez, i was only talking about myself, not the others
[20:55] <ouchy`> what i mean is
[20:55] <ouchy`> i dont care if im actually dling these stuff
[20:55] <ouchy`> im not saying
[20:55] <Jeff> you think you to get
[20:55] <ouchy`> i deserve it
[20:55] <ouchy`> more than any other guy
[20:55] <ouchy`> i just dont care
[20:55] <Jeff> that is exactly what you are saying
[20:55] <ouchy`> people can do the same
[20:55] <ramirez> AFDJSAI=OFU)=SAufAS
[20:55] <ouchy`> i cant care less
[20:55] <DragonSlayer> oh god back to starting point ; ;
[20:55] <Jeff> how are you NOT saying that
[20:55] <DragonSlayer> see ouchy`
[20:55] <ramirez> 06:48:29 (~ramirez) how can i respect an opinion that would put thousands of people out of job
[20:55] <ramirez> 06:48:49 (+ouchy`) ramirez, i was only talking about myself, not the others
[20:55] <DragonSlayer> you have been saying that all night
[20:55] <ramirez> 06:48:56 (+ouchy`) im one person out of 6 billion
[20:55] <DragonSlayer> saying these are your arguments
[20:55] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer... you know why its going in circles
[20:55] <DragonSlayer> when they are not arguments
[20:55] <ramirez> HOW CAN YOU NOT GET THIS ARIHGHAGa
[20:55] <DragonSlayer> because you arent arguing
[20:55] <DragonSlayer> that is why
[20:56] <Jeff> Bang
[20:56] <ouchy`> bcuz i expressing my opinion but you're not agreeing
[20:56] <ouchy`> so yes we'll never agree
[20:56] <DragonSlayer> you just IGNORE EVERYTHING PEOPLE SAY TO YOU and repeat your opinions over and over and over and over and over again, then you think YOU WON and that you are good at arguing and its so painful
14[20:56] * DragonSlayer cries
[20:56] <DoopzBarkley> this is like kk4 bad man
[20:56] <ouchy`> as i said earlier, you think its wrong, I DO NOT, theres not much more to argue about
[20:56] <DragonSlayer> YES SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME
[20:56] <DragonSlayer> ITS NOT LIKE WE HAVENT HEARD IT 100 TIMES ALREADY
[20:56] <Jeff> Steel this is much worse than KK4
[20:57] <DoopzBarkley> opinions need to have factual basis behind them
[20:57] <ouchy`> DragonSlayer because you dont get it
[20:57] <DoopzBarkley> opinions need to have factual basis behind them
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> no
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> we get it
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> jesus
[20:57] <ouchy`> so i gotta have to repeat it
[20:57] <DoopzBarkley> opinions need to have factual basis behind them
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> rofl
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> you can't be serious
[20:57] <Ryan> this does remind me of kk4
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> you are ignoring what we said again
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> WE ARE SAYING
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> YOU DO NOT BACK UP YOUR OPINIONS
[20:57] <DoopzBarkley> opinions need to have factual basis behind them
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> you just say
[20:57] <ouchy`> i did already before
[20:57] <DoopzBarkley> i said it four times
[20:57] <DoopzBarkley> is that enough
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> THIS IS MY OPINION
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> then we ARGUE
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> then you say
[20:57] <ouchy`> ill repeat one last time
[20:57] <ouchy`> lemme write it
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> YOUR OPINIONS ISNT MORE RIGHT THAN MINE
[20:57] <DragonSlayer> and it's hilarious
[20:57] <DoopzBarkley> <ouchy`> as i said earlier, you think its wrong, I DO NOT, theres not much more to argue about
[20:58] <DoopzBarkley> you keep thinking its about
[20:58] <ramirez> i think niggers are inherited from rats
[20:58] <DoopzBarkley> YOU VERSUS US
[20:58] <ramirez> it doesnt matter that you dont agree
[20:58] <ramirez> since its my opinion
[20:58] <DoopzBarkley> in some thought process
[20:58] <ramirez> it is right
[20:58] <ouchy`> ramirez exactly
[20:58] <DoopzBarkley> its about YOUR IDEAS which are wrong
[20:58] <DragonSlayer> OMG
[20:58] <DragonSlayer> lol
[20:58] <ramirez> LOL
[20:58] <DragonSlayer> LOOLOLOL
[20:58] <Ryan> hahahahahha
[20:58] <ramirez> LOLOLOLFDPÅSAIKFSJAKsa
[20:58] <ramirez> ok
[20:58] <DoopzBarkley> your ideas aren't based on any facts
[20:58] <DragonSlayer> HAHAHA
[20:58] <DragonSlayer> ok
[20:58] <DragonSlayer> stop trying guys
[20:58] <DragonSlayer> that ended it
[20:58] <ramirez> yeah
[20:58] <Ryan> ahaha
[20:58] <DragonSlayer> oh jesus
[20:58] <ramirez> there's no point continuing
[20:58] <Ryan> i laughed out loud so hard at that
[20:58] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy` i am still willing to debate you plz tho.
[20:58] <ramirez> so did i
[20:58] <DoopzBarkley> i will argue that niggers are descended from rats
[20:58] <DoopzBarkley> ify ou want
[20:59] <Jeff> Dude Steel you don't have to argue that
[20:59] <Jeff> ouchy probably believes it
[21:00] <DoopzBarkley> i wish i knew
[21:00] <DoopzBarkley> what it was like
[21:00] <DoopzBarkley> to be that sure of myself
[21:00] <DragonSlayer> also
[21:00] <DragonSlayer> that was the funniest thing i have heard tonight
[21:01] <Jeff> Yeah Steel, I mean I can fake that kind of confidence, but to actually have it really and truly.
[21:01] <DoopzBarkley> and i am the king of saying IM RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG
[21:01] <DragonSlayer> 06:57:40 (DoopzBarkley) ouchy` i am still willing to debate you plz tho.
[21:01] <Jeff> That is amazing.
[21:01] <DragonSlayer> 06:57:49 (DoopzBarkley) i will argue that niggers are descended from rats
[21:01] <DragonSlayer> this i mean
[21:01] <Ryan> lol
[21:01] <DoopzBarkley> it would be hard but
[21:01] <DoopzBarkley> using Ouchy's First Principle
[21:01] <DoopzBarkley> 1. All opinions are facts.
[21:01] <Jeff> oh man
[21:01] <Jeff> "ouchy's first principle"
[21:01] <DoopzBarkley> i think i could do okay
[21:01] <Jeff> oh man I am falling out of my chair
[21:02] <ouchy`> my arguement weres the following : first off, these materials are too expensive for what they are, my second point is that music games and movies are just different, I don't consider downloading them as stealing, if i went to a shop and stole the CD then it would be a completly different story.........and my last arguement is that I think you guys are worse than me, I think you're hypocrites, when you do something knowing its wrong, its wors
[21:02] <ouchy`> doing it without thinking it is
[21:02] <DragonSlayer> wow i bet ouchy` will hate me after tonight
[21:02] <DragonSlayer> :(
[21:02] <ouchy`> also you guys are 5 against me
[21:02] <Jeff> he just repeated himself again ds
[21:02] <Jeff> hahahahahaha
00[21:02] <ric> HAHAHAHAHAH
[21:02] <DragonSlayer> its because he doesnt get it
[21:02] <ouchy`> its not like its hurting me or something
[21:02] <Jeff> dude ouchy
[21:02] <Jeff> you could get like
[21:02] <DragonSlayer> but i already understand the way ouchy thinks
00[21:02] <ric> holy shit.
[21:02] <Ryan> haahaha
00[21:02] <ric> holy shit.
[21:02] <Jeff> 5000 people and argue with us 5
[21:02] <DragonSlayer> as egocentric as I sound
[21:02] <Jeff> and we would still win
[21:02] <DragonSlayer> it's too early for him
[21:02] <DoopzBarkley> WAIT
[21:02] <DoopzBarkley>  my second point is that music games and movies are just different, I don't consider downloading them as stealing, if i went to a shop and stole the CD then it would be a completly different story
[21:02] <DoopzBarkley> this is a new one
[21:02] <ramirez> it's not the material that costs, it's the WORK BEHIND THE PRODUCT
[21:02] <ramirez> also
[21:02] <DoopzBarkley> you didn't say this before!
[21:02] <ouchy`> yes because your opinion is that higher mate
[21:02] <ramirez> how would it be different to steal from a shop and from a net
[21:02] <DoopzBarkley> dude why does methodology matter
[21:02] <Jeff> he did say that earlier steel
[21:02] <DoopzBarkley> holy crap
[21:03] <Jeff> but you didn't pick up on it
[21:03] <DoopzBarkley> no he said they were JUST DIFFERENT
[21:03] <DoopzBarkley> he didn'ts ay
[21:03] <DoopzBarkley> it was because of DOWNLOADS
[21:03] <DoopzBarkley> i kept asking WHY ARE THEY DIFFERENT
[21:03] <DoopzBarkley> "just are"
[21:03] <Jeff> heh
[21:03] <DragonSlayer> DoopzBarkley I argued that with him before actually
[21:03] <ramirez> that's some unbelievable way of thinking
[21:03] <DragonSlayer> you dont want to go there......
[21:03] <Jeff> Told you rami
[21:03] <Jeff> Thats why I asked
[21:03] <Jeff> if he had autism or something
[21:03] <Jeff> Because
[21:03] <Jeff> No matter how much I try
[21:03] <DragonSlayer> also
[21:03] <Jeff> I cannot make the same conncetions as him.
[21:03] <DragonSlayer> yes steel
[21:03] <DragonSlayer> you are correct
[21:03] <DoopzBarkley> man i can't believe you were like
[21:03] <DragonSlayer> the fact he is saying
[21:03] <DoopzBarkley> "YOU'RE FAT"
[21:04] <DoopzBarkley> "YOU'RE GAY"
[21:04] <DoopzBarkley> "WHAT GRADE ARE YOU IN"
[21:04] <DragonSlayer> 0 if i went to a shop and stole the CD then it would be a completly different story......... <-- his political reason has no basis after saying this
[21:04] <DoopzBarkley> "HOW OLD ARE YOU"
[21:04] <DoopzBarkley> "I STUDIED ECON 4 YEARS"
[21:04] <DoopzBarkley> also yeah
[21:04] <DoopzBarkley> but he also said
[21:04] <Jeff> He did not study econ for 4 years
[21:04] <DoopzBarkley> IT'S NOT POLITICAL
[21:04] <Jeff> that is a blatant lie
[21:04] <DragonSlayer> well
[21:04] <Jeff> I really did study econ for 3 years
[21:04] <DragonSlayer> that's because he's not native DoopzBarkley
[21:04] <DoopzBarkley> jeff he didn't know banks redistribute money :(
[21:04] <DragonSlayer> he didnt know what you meant by political
[21:04] <Ryan> by study ouchy` do you mean read the wiki article on economics
[21:04] <Jeff> Yeah steel I am agreeing
[21:04] <ouchy`> well if we talked in french and at a decent time
[21:04] <Jeff> I said it is a blatant lie that he studied econ for 4 years
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> yeah i know jeff
[21:05] <ouchy`> i would express myself in a better way
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> ouchy'
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> i just gave you
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> that option!
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> i said ON A FORUM YOUR CHOICE
[21:05] <Jeff> And you refused.
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> HAVE ALL YOUR FRIENDS
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> and you know if it's an english/french problem
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> find a translator YOU can trust
[21:05] <DoopzBarkley> or take all the time you want
[21:05] <ramirez> you have much more time to think what to say on a forum
[21:05] <Jeff> It would afford you a much better opportunity to express yourself clearly ouchy
[21:06] <Jeff> I would recommend you take the invitation.
[21:06] <ouchy`> as i said its not like i care enough to actually register on a forum get my friends there post something
[21:06] <Jeff> We will stay out of it it will just be you and steel.
[21:06] <ouchy`> because i dont really care abotu this discussion
[21:06] <ouchy`> since
[21:06] <Jeff> But you just said that you would prefer to debate at a better hour
[21:06] <DragonSlayer> ouchy` but steel could reg on sctfl forums
[21:06] <DoopzBarkley> but you said
[21:06] <DragonSlayer> its not a problem
[21:06] <Jeff> YOU JUST SAID IT
[21:06] <DoopzBarkley> it's 5:30
[21:06] <DragonSlayer> all you need to do is postintopic
[21:06] <DoopzBarkley> probably later
[21:06] <ouchy`> i will continue to download without thinking its wrong
[21:06] <DragonSlayer> GOD
[21:06] <ouchy`> i wont
[21:06] <DragonSlayer> HERE WE GO AGAIN
[21:06] <DragonSlayer> FUCK
[21:06] <ramirez> lol
[21:06] <DoopzBarkley> why are you yelling at 5:30 and then saying
[21:06] <DoopzBarkley> NOT WORTH EFFORT
[21:07] <DragonSlayer> wow
[21:07] <DoopzBarkley> dude i dont care if ds needs my help to SAVE ALL OF GW
[21:07] <ramirez> to me it looks like he's not confident enough to take it on public forums
[21:07] <DragonSlayer> I seriously FEEL SO MEAN
[21:07] <ouchy`> cuz we were into the conversation, didn't really see the time passing, but im done after tonight
[21:07] <DoopzBarkley> I would be like FUCK YOU IT'S 5:40
[21:07] <DragonSlayer> for bringing steel here
[21:07] <Jeff> ouchy, even irrelevent to this debate, you are making two icons in teh soldat community think that you are a big moron.
[21:07] <Jeff> THis is not a good idea.
[21:07] <DoopzBarkley> jeff shush
[21:07] <Jeff> Okay.
[21:07] <DragonSlayer> because I thought ouchy could at least HAVE A DECENT ARGUMENT and I was hoping steel could FINISH THIS FOR ALL
[21:07] <DoopzBarkley> thats mean dont be mean :(
[21:07] <DragonSlayer> but no
[21:07] <ramirez> Jeff he's just as known in the soldat community
[21:07] <DoopzBarkley> i was a jerk in like the first part and then i gave him a fair shot but
[21:07] <DoopzBarkley> he doesnt get it
[21:07] <Jeff> Still rami
[21:08] <Jeff> still
[21:08] <Jeff> it is like
[21:08] <Jeff> pompey angering ceasar
[21:08] <Ryan> rami you and ds are popular in the soldat community?
[21:08] <DragonSlayer> no
[21:08] <Jeff> just because they all have the same power
[21:08] <ramirez> no
[21:08] <Ryan> o
00[21:08] <ric> they are sctfl admins and shit but that's all i can think of
[21:08] <DoopzBarkley> being popular in soldat is a bit like donating the most money to Ron Paul
[21:08] <DoopzBarkley> snap
[21:08] <Jeff> hohoho
[21:09] <ramirez> ><
[21:09] <Ryan> a bunch of people in my school friday wore ron paul revolution shirts
[21:09] <Jeff> Dude UCF is covered in ron paul advertisements
[21:09] <Teloch> has this argument gotten anywhere yet
[21:09] <DragonSlayer> no
[21:09] <ouchy`> Jeff, well Im glad you think im a moron and that the community sucks, means you're not gonna join it!
[21:09] <Jeff> No
[21:09] <DragonSlayer> got him there
[21:09] <DragonSlayer> LoL
[21:10] <Jeff> I already left it a long time ago, ouchy.
[21:10] <ouchy`> thanks god
[21:10] <Jeff> Can you just ban him DS?
[21:10] <DragonSlayer> man, now ouchy is resorting to low blows
00[21:10] <ric> even i agree that most of the soldat community is pretty awful
[21:10] <DoopzBarkley> no they are friends jeff
[21:10] <DragonSlayer> and that's all you are good at
[21:10] <DragonSlayer> :/
[21:10] <Jeff> That is bullshit
[21:10] <DoopzBarkley> DS i like how its a low blow when he calls jeff a dick
[21:10] <DoopzBarkley> but when IM A FAGGOT
[21:10] <DoopzBarkley> ITS NOT
[21:10] <DoopzBarkley> FUCK YOU DS
[21:10] <Jeff> ouchy is quite possibly the most idiotic person I have ever met.
[21:10] <ramirez> well your a faggot
[21:11] <DoopzBarkley> yes but im sensitive
[21:11] <Jeff> But then
[21:11] <Jeff> I have met a lot of idiotic people
[21:11] <Jeff> so he may not be
[21:11] <Jeff> but he definitely ranks.
[21:11] <ouchy`> was gonna say have you ever looked at yourself in the mirror, but then you guys would think i got nothing else to say
[21:11] <ouchy`> ...which is in fact the case
[21:11] <ramirez> but in all honesty
[21:11] <Jeff> Because you don't have anything else to say.
[21:11] <DoopzBarkley> ...
[21:11] <DragonSlayer> well, I think ouchy` is not QUITE READY FOR THIS ALL YET but it's not like he's an idiot, I think you guys might get a bit wrong image of him based on this one argument (though if i didnt know ouchy beforehand i would be saying the same thing)
[21:11] <ramirez> ouchy` isn't like this usually
[21:11] <Jeff> Dude I refuse to even listen to you defend him DS
[21:12] <DoopzBarkley> man
[21:12] <DoopzBarkley> i never will get my debate
[21:12] <DoopzBarkley> :(
[21:12] <Jeff> He has been so ridiculous tonight to the point of terribly low blows on Steel and myself.
[21:12] <DoopzBarkley> jeff let it go
[21:12] <Jeff> That even if the virgin mary fucking came down from heaven
[21:12] <Jeff> and said he was a good guy
[21:12] <DoopzBarkley> jeff its me
[21:12] <DoopzBarkley> virgin mary
[21:12] <Jeff> I would spit in her face
[21:12] <DoopzBarkley> owwww
[21:12] <DoopzBarkley> why you do that arghhh im melting
[21:12] <Jeff> hahaha
[21:12] <Jeff> ahahaa
[21:13] <DragonSlayer> oh well
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[21:13] <DragonSlayer> at least it was an entertaining argument
[21:13] <DoopzBarkley> man i will never get my debate
[21:13] <DoopzBarkley> this sucks
[21:13] <DragonSlayer> even though it was completely fruitless
[21:13] <Jeff> Steel, you should have figured that out within the first few minutes lol.
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> it reminded me of the y2dazz years
[21:14] <Jeff> No
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> when we were all fresh
[21:14] <DragonSlayer> good ol y2dazz
[21:14] <DragonSlayer> Final Fantasy didnt start on Nintendo
[21:14] <DragonSlayer> It Started On SNES
[21:14] <Jeff> y2dazz is nowhere near as bad as this guy.
[21:14] <Global> 14Y2Quote 10#0 15- 14By 10omeg14 & 10rami14.
[21:14] <Global> 15--- 14End of Quote 15---
[21:14] <ramirez> hmm
[21:14] <Global> 14Y2Quote 10#31 15- 14By 10omeg14 & 10rami14.
[21:14] <Y2DAZZ> Secondly the child should be fine. Inbreeding only happens if its with twins, twin sis & bro, you two aren't twins right?
[21:14] <Global> 15--- 14End of Quote 15---
[21:14] <ramirez> .
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> hahaha
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> twins
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> wow
[21:14] <Jeff> hahahah
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> i sent ds a y2 post
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> and he was like
[21:14] <DragonSlayer> Jeff take back what you said
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> WHATS THIS
[21:14] <Jeff> oh man more rami
[21:14] <Jeff> yes
[21:14] <Jeff> I am sorry DS
[21:14] <Jeff> I amit
[21:14] <Jeff> I am wrong
[21:14] <DoopzBarkley> and i had to tell him and he was like SORRY I JUST SCAN OVER Y2 NOW
[21:14] <Jeff> so horribly wrong
[21:15] <DoopzBarkley> and it was like
[21:15] <DoopzBarkley> a child died
[21:15] <DragonSlayer> no that wasnt y2 that was someone else dude
[21:15] <Global> 14Y2Quote 10#14 15- 14By 10omeg14 & 10rami14.
[21:15] <Y2DAZZ> he is in the honorable fights with the soldiers
[21:15] <Global> 15--- 14End of Quote 15---
[21:15] <DoopzBarkley> oh
[21:15] <DoopzBarkley> it was dday!
[21:15] <DoopzBarkley> thats right
[21:15] <DragonSlayer> yeah
[21:15] <DragonSlayer> dday
[21:15] <DoopzBarkley> well still child death
[21:15] <ramirez> he is in the honorable fights with the soldiers
[21:15] <Jeff> dday
[21:15] <Jeff> man what ever happened to dday
[21:15] <ramirez> if i'll ever make a game that quote will be in it
[21:15] <Jeff> twin moons rami
[21:15] <Jeff> put it in that
[21:15] <DragonSlayer> I WANT
[21:15] <ramirez> its not my game
[21:15] <DragonSlayer> I fucking want
[21:15] <DragonSlayer> that novel
[21:15] <DragonSlayer> y2dazz posted on lit forum
[21:16] <ouchy`> alright well I'm gonna say that I admit I suck at arguing in english, I still dont think I'm wrong but this is hopeless since i cant really say everything i want
[21:16] <DragonSlayer> years ago
[21:16] <DragonSlayer> it was beautiful
[21:16] <ramirez> T4..
[21:16] <ramirez> script
[21:16] <DragonSlayer> not that
[21:16] <DragonSlayer> T4 script was funny
[21:16] <DragonSlayer> but not as awesome as his novel
[21:16] <Jeff> man y2dazz was definitely
[21:16] <Jeff> something I will remember forever
[21:16] <DoopzBarkley> man seriosuly whot he fuck can i debate
[21:16] <DoopzBarkley> FARAH
[21:16] <DoopzBarkley> is gay
[21:16] <ouchy`> it doesn't really matter anyway since at the end i wont just stop doing what ive been doing for years
[21:16] <Global> 14Y2Quote 10#2 15- 14By 10omeg14 & 10rami14.
[21:16] <Y2DAZZ> I Need Help Bad I dunno How To Do A Intro And A Battle Scene Can You Plz Help
[21:16] <Global> 15--- 14End of Quote 15---
[21:16] <DoopzBarkley> omeg is never on irc so i can't be liek BUDDY I CHALLENGE YOU
[21:16] <Teloch> debate jeff
[21:16] <ouchy`> well DoopzBarkley, xurich would beat you
[21:16] <Teloch> gogogo
[21:16] <DragonSlayer> ouchy` we arent saying you have to stop :(
00[21:16] <ric> hahahaha
[21:16] <DoopzBarkley> x...xurich...
00[21:16] <ric> HAHAHAHA
[21:16] <Jeff> Steel and I have debated before.
[21:16] <ramirez> ouchy`
[21:16] <Jeff> It was not pretty.
[21:16] <ramirez> nobody told you to stop
[21:16] <ramirez> i mean
[21:16] <DoopzBarkley> the legendary xurich...
[21:16] <ramirez> we all do the same shit
[21:16] <DoopzBarkley> i dont remember that jeff
[21:16] <DoopzBarkley> i also want
[21:17] <DoopzBarkley> FORMAL DEBATE
[21:17] <Jeff> Oh
[21:17] <Jeff> no not formally
[21:17] <ramirez> the difference is that we know we suck for doing it
[21:17] <ouchy`> i will not stop anyway
[21:17] <ramirez> you don't
[21:17] <Jeff> but like we have had our very lengthy arguments
[21:17] <DoopzBarkley> because now i am curious to see if i will die before writing faggot faggot faggot
[21:17] <DoopzBarkley> yea
[21:17] <ramirez> NOBODY IS TELLING YOU TO STOPA RAIYHGHAG
[21:17] <DoopzBarkley> i dont remember any atm but they have
[21:17] <DoopzBarkley> also who is xurich
[21:17] <ouchy`> yea i know
[21:17] <DragonSlayer> a fellow sctfl admin
[21:17] <DoopzBarkley> is he like
[21:17] <ramirez> then why do you keep repeating that
[21:17] <DoopzBarkley> smart as hell
[21:17] <DragonSlayer> hes smart
[21:17] <DragonSlayer> but uh
[21:17] <DragonSlayer> it's not like ouchy or I have ever seen him take part in any SERIOUS DEBATE
[21:17] <ouchy`> at least he can speak english properly!!
[21:17] <ramirez> all we wanted is for you to realize that your way of thinking is not really beneficial to the society
[21:17] <ramirez> that's all
[21:18] <DragonSlayer> but he's an intelligent guy
[21:18] <DragonSlayer> HE IS SOMEONE YOU COULD BRING TO GW
[21:18] <ramirez> who
[21:18] <DragonSlayer> xurich
[21:18] <ramirez> xurich?
[21:18] <ramirez> yeah
00[21:18] <ric> doesn't he idle here
[21:18] <DragonSlayer> ya
[21:18] <DoopzBarkley> all i know is i got some french kid to say he could eat a nigga's ass
[21:18] <DoopzBarkley> today
[21:18] <DoopzBarkley> and that really is a measure of a day
[21:18] <Jeff> heh
[21:18] <DragonSlayer> too bad you arent black......
[21:18] <DoopzBarkley> but
[21:19] <DoopzBarkley> i bet he thought
[21:19] <DoopzBarkley> it was a rat :(
[21:19] <DoopzBarkley> got confused
[21:19] <ouchy`> actually id rather see DoopzBarkley argue with poop
[21:19] <ouchy`> thatd be funnier
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[21:19] <DoopzBarkley> seriously rami that NIGGER IS DESCENDED FROM RAT
[21:19] <DoopzBarkley> where did that come from
[21:19] <DragonSlayer> what dude you are the one who said it
[21:19] <DragonSlayer> o-o
[21:19] <ramirez> i dont know
[21:19] <DoopzBarkley> no
[21:19] <DoopzBarkley> rami did
[21:19] <DragonSlayer> oh
[21:19] <DoopzBarkley> and i was like I WILL DEBATE THIS
[21:19] <DragonSlayer> i didnt notice rami saying that
[21:20] <ramirez> it came deep down my heart
00[21:20] <ric> <ramirez> i think niggers are inherited from rats
[21:20] <DragonSlayer> racist..
[21:20] <ramirez> yea
[21:20] <Jeff> 00:19 <04~ramirez> it came deep down my heart
00[21:20] <ric> INHERITED
[21:20] <Jeff> finnquote
[21:20] <DragonSlayer> lol
[21:20] <DoopzBarkley> yeah
[21:20] <DragonSlayer> rami shows his skillz
[21:20] <ramirez> i didnt know the right word
[21:20] <ramirez> :(
[21:20] <DoopzBarkley> inherited
[21:20] <DragonSlayer> deep down my heart
[21:20] <DoopzBarkley> made it so much better
[21:20] <Jeff> "It came from deep within"
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[21:21] <ramirez> i know what inheritage is, but i didn't know a better word for the context
[21:21] <DragonSlayer> lets all make fun of rami
[21:21] <Jeff> descended
[21:21] <ramirez> or well, couldn't think of
[21:21] <ramirez> yeah
[21:21] <ramirez> i know now
[21:21] <DragonSlayer> rami
[21:21] <DragonSlayer> no bad UR AN IDIOT ;)
[21:21] <ramirez> lols
[21:21] <ramirez> not bad but UR AN IDIOT*
[21:21] <Jeff> yeah ouchy said it it must be true rami
[21:21] <ramirez> it had a but
[21:21] <Jeff> because all his opinions are correct
[21:21] <DragonSlayer> oh
[21:21] <DragonSlayer> ok
[21:21] <Jeff> ouchy principle #1
[21:21] <DragonSlayer> its over jeff.... let that go
[21:21] <ouchy`> some stuff are subjective
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> seriously ds this was some goofy shit
[21:22] <Jeff> okay ds
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> i am kind of glad i was here for it BUT
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> yesterday i had a dream that kaworu posted
[21:22] <DragonSlayer> now you owe me a favor DoopzBarkley....
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> about lit forum
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> and how it was like aim
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> and i only found it was a dream when i checked
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> and he hadn't
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> and i remembered that after that iw as chased by some flesh eating carpet
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> so
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> maybe i will wake up tomorrow
[21:22] <DoopzBarkley> and this will all be a dream
[21:22] <ouchy`> ok right before going to bed ima say this..... maybe i dont consider it as stealing, since im not in the shop stealing the cd, but in my room simply downloading it :DDDDDDD
[21:22] <Jeff> Well steel I think this may be
[21:22] <Jeff> because
[21:23] <Jeff> I don't think someone like ouchy could really exist
[21:23] <DoopzBarkley> what if
[21:23] <DoopzBarkley> you pay someone to steal it for you
[21:23] <DoopzBarkley> becuase you are in a wheelchair
[21:23] <DoopzBarkley> OH
[21:23] <DoopzBarkley> what if
[21:23] <DoopzBarkley> you have a robot
[21:23] <DoopzBarkley> that steals for you
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[21:24] <ramirez> just because it's easy and the chances of getting caught are lower doesn't mean you aren't stealing though. and well, even if you think you aren't doing anything wrong, i hope at the very least that you are at least aware that you ARE stealing
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[21:24] <DragonSlayer> man i totally UNDERSTAND what you are saying ouchy`
[21:24] <DragonSlayer> when I dl music
[21:24] <ouchy`> nah its not really about the chances of being caught
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[21:24] <DragonSlayer> its not like i feel bad about it
[21:24] <DragonSlayer> at all
[21:24] <DragonSlayer> I have 150 gigs of downloaded music
[21:24] <ouchy`> i dont really have the intention of stealing when i download
[21:24] <DragonSlayer> I know WELL ITS OVER IF I GET CAUGHT
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> and i know its wrong
[21:25] <Jeff> Well DS, we are a bit different because a) we still buy albums and b) we have a room and a community where we systematically recommend what we like.
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> but i still dont feel particularly bad about it
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> i have
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> bought like 4 albums in my life
[21:25] <ramirez> ds has bought 0.001% of his albums
[21:25] <ramirez> gg
[21:25] <Jeff> oh
00[21:25] <ric> yes
[21:25] <Jeff> nm then
[21:25] <Jeff> I still buy a lot of albums
[21:25] <ouchy`> when you go to a shop to steal the cd you do have the intention to steal it and thats bad
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> it was only this year
00[21:25] <ric> DragonSlayer i recall you saying you have only ever bought FOABP??
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> I decided I will seriously start to buy albums if I have money
[21:25] <ramirez> ouchy` regardless of that, it's still stealing
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> I have bought foabp
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> utwice
[21:25] <DragonSlayer> twice*
[21:25] <Jeff> when you download it you have the intention to steal it
00[21:26] <ric> hahaha
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> i have also bought two opeth cd's
[21:26] <Jeff> you are saying I could buy this in a cd shop\
[21:26] <ramirez> i mean
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> I bought foabp when it came out
[21:26] <Jeff> but I will take it for free instead
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> and then i bought foabp dvd-a when it came out half a year later
[21:26] <ramirez> i don't really INTEND to steal when i dl games etc. either
[21:26] <ouchy`> i would never go to a shop and steal a cd for exampl
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> but it had nil recurring too
[21:26] <ramirez> but i still acknowledge it
[21:26] <DoopzBarkley> man
[21:26] <DoopzBarkley> physicality
[21:26] <ramirez> i mean
[21:26] <ramirez> i do intend to steal
[21:26] <DoopzBarkley> has nothing to do with CRIME
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> also
[21:26] <ramirez> but
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> BTW
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> one thing ouchy`
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> I want to say one thing
[21:26] <ouchy`> its not on my mind when i download
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> about the not giving money to artists thing
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> you are right
[21:26] <DragonSlayer> however, do you know why porcupine tree decided to not sell their new album on their own site?
[21:26] <ramirez> but on a bigger scale you should still realize it
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> and asked people to buy it through their label
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> from record shops etc.
[21:27] <Jeff> Eh he isn't really DS
[21:27] <ouchy`> why
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> because they wanted to get on charts for popularity
[21:27] <Jeff> But I will debate this with you privately
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> so in future they can sell more records
[21:27] <ouchy`> ramirez, i do agree that if noone bought cds or movies
[21:27] <ouchy`> the industy would die
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> so
[21:27] <ouchy`> i know that
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> you are in fact hurting a band
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> by not buying cds
[21:27] <ramirez> ok good
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> even if you do nto consider the money factor
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> at all
[21:27] <DragonSlayer> not*
[21:28] <DoopzBarkley> if you offset your cd buying
[21:28] <DoopzBarkley> wiht other things you wouldn't do
[21:28] <DoopzBarkley> or if you would never buy the cd in the first place
[21:28] <DoopzBarkley> its less of a moral/economic dilemma
[21:28] <ramirez> knowing that if everyone stole their shit like you do, the industry would die, you should also realize that it's morally wrong thing to do
[21:28] <ramirez> since you'd be responsible for putting tons of people out of job
[21:28] <DoopzBarkley> which is why it isn't HYPOCRISY to realize you are doing something immoral and continuing to do it.
[21:28] <ramirez> well
[21:29] <ramirez> partially responsible
[21:29] <DoopzBarkley> because you offset it
[21:29] <ouchy`> ...also there are so many people downloading music and stuff, so why would i buy for them
[21:29] <ouchy`> although
[21:29] <DoopzBarkley> ..
[21:29] <DoopzBarkley> w.
[21:29] <ouchy`> i bet that people who are buying them
[21:29] <DoopzBarkley> what.
[21:29] <ouchy`> think the same
[21:29] <ramirez> "because others do it, i do it too" is a very bad excuse
[21:29] <ouchy`> its a bad excuse but its how it is
[21:29] <DoopzBarkley> no
[21:29] <DoopzBarkley> a bad excuse doens't mean
[21:29] <DoopzBarkley> BAD EXCUSE
[21:30] <DoopzBarkley> NO DESSERT FOR YOU
[21:30] <DoopzBarkley> it means not logically sound
[21:30] <LordTyphoon> what the hell is going on here
[21:30] <ramirez> ouchy` my point was that you must have ulterior motives
[21:30] <ramirez> you don't do it just because other people do it
[21:31] <DoopzBarkley> rami is trying to hit his head against a brickwall
[21:31] <ouchy`> ramirez I didn't say I wouldn't do it cuz many people dont do it, but it encourages me not to do it
00[21:32] <ric> by the way who bought darknecrid premium...
[21:32] <DoopzBarkley> ds your friend is painful
[21:32] <DragonSlayer> DoopzBarkley
[21:32] <DragonSlayer> guess what
[21:32] <DragonSlayer> IM HAVING A REAL DEBATE WITH JEFF IN PM SUCK DICK (sorry had to say it)
[21:32] <DoopzBarkley> NO
[21:32] <ramirez> i am too tired to comprehend this debate anymore
[21:32] <DoopzBarkley> GODDAM
[21:33] <ramirez> you can debate with one of my cyber bots
[21:33] <ramirez> or all of them at same time
[21:33] <ouchy`> was too tired when it began ;_; no i appeared like an idiot fuck this im going to cry in my bed
[21:33] <ouchy`> no hard feelings Jeff
[21:33] <ouchy`> now im gonna go bed for real
[21:33] <DoopzBarkley> dont cry im a jerk to everyone :(
[21:34] <DoopzBarkley> ds why did you release the monster
[21:34] <DoopzBarkley> why
[21:34] <ramirez> the only way to beat a steel is to have higher status than him so you can abuse your power
[21:34] <DoopzBarkley> *flaunts modship*
[21:34] <DragonSlayer> *flaunts druleship*
14[21:34] * ouchy` runs bitComet