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  1. [17:30:51] #AlphaWittem: /announce A lecture on Taiwan, hosted by Mighty+Rising+Ace, is going to start! Grab some popcorns and enjoy :3
  2. [17:31:01] #AlphaWittem: ups
  3. [17:31:06] Toni XY.: gl
  4. [17:31:14] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: thank you so much for coming peeps!
  5. [17:31:15] |notify|Cosmopolitan announcement!|A lecture on Taiwan, hosted by Mighty+Rising+Ace, is going to start! Grab some popcorns and enjoy :3
  6. [17:31:15] |raw|<div class="broadcast-blue"><b>A lecture on Taiwan, hosted by Mighty+Rising+Ace, is going to start! Grab some popcorns and enjoy :3</b></div>
  7. [17:31:30] kip mckean: :3
  8. [17:31:32] Thelvl100: I made it :)
  9. [17:31:34] @Berserking Now: you mean china depending on where you live.
  10. [17:31:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: nice!
  11. [17:31:41] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yee whatever :P
  12. [17:31:46] boss dj: Lets GO Mighty+Rising+Ace
  13. [17:31:52] i savour frogs: lets go buddy we got ur back
  14. [17:31:52] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: anyway this lecture will be based on the following main categories
  15. [17:31:57] ChibiJean: mra man you're low t
  16. [17:32:00] ChibiJean: but i believe in you
  17. [17:32:08] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: a basic introduction to the region
  18. [17:32:12] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: general culture
  19. [17:32:22] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: basic economic info
  20. [17:32:23] @Berserking Now: Scientific journals in china actually can't have taiwan in their maps.
  21. [17:32:24] Amane Misa ♪: will there be time for questions?
  22. [17:32:27] yumehop: why all the a/m bois here
  23. [17:32:27] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yes
  24. [17:32:28] yumehop: lol
  25. [17:32:38] sejesensei: Cus MRA is a champ
  26. [17:32:40] i savour frogs: cuz MRA is part of the squad
  27. [17:32:42] boss dj: supporting a friend
  28. [17:32:45] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: and my personal experience visiting Taiwan!
  29. [17:33:09] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: hope you guys enjoy!
  30. [17:33:10] yumehop: nice
  31. [17:33:12] yumehop: ye
  32. [17:33:34] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i
  33. [17:33:35] #AlphaWittem: let's go~
  34. [17:33:55] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Feel free to ask questions throughout the lecture but i'll be giving some time inbetween sections
  35. [17:33:59] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: most importantly enjoy!
  36. [17:34:04] yumehop: ok
  37. [17:34:18] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/SeG0cth.jpg
  38. [17:34:19] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/SeG0cth.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/SeG0cth.jpg" width="235" height="300"/></a></div>
  39. [17:34:40] Lionyx: so smol
  40. [17:34:45] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ok an introduction. the area of this nation is 35,883 km squares or roughly 14,000 mile square
  41. [17:34:57] %TrueEffect: Grats nui
  42. [17:35:02] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: it is actually for a place that claims to be its own independent nation!
  43. [17:35:18] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: near the south china sea.
  44. [17:35:50] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as for population, about 23.4 million citizens inhabit here.
  45. [17:36:11] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: considering there are nearly 200 independent nations on this planet Taiwan is actually the 17th most dense nation on the planet.
  46. [17:36:52] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as for the language spoken, mandarin is the traditional spoken language
  47. [17:37:06] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: but unlike the rest of china, traditional Chinese instead of simplified Chinese is utilized. Sometimes English too.
  48. [17:37:29] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Taiwan is actually considered the most multilingual nation in asia as its language has all Chinese variants - even Tibetan
  49. [17:37:58] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as for weather, Taiwan is a tropical region. around 4 typhoons in each year. Hottest days can reach up to 40 degrees celcius!
  50. [17:38:08] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the capital city of this nation is Taipei.
  51. [17:38:27] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ok that will conclude the introduction. feel free to ask questions!
  52. [17:38:29] +cc: Isn't 4 typhoons a year a really large number?
  53. [17:38:34] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: somewhat
  54. [17:38:35] +cc: that's scary as hell
  55. [17:38:50] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah trees and unreinforced buildings don't stand a chance :(
  56. [17:38:56] Lionyx: what is the difference between traditional and simplified chinese and mandarin? if there are
  57. [17:39:17] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: oh traditional Chinese just has more strokes
  58. [17:39:37] Amane Misa ♪: sorry if I ask any stupid question because I only knew the country existed
  59. [17:39:40] Amane Misa ♪: never knew anything about it
  60. [17:39:42] Amane Misa ♪: is there a parliament?
  61. [17:39:44] sejesensei: Man 40 degrees is crazy
  62. [17:39:52] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: I'm simplified chinese love is 爱
  63. [17:40:04] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: in traditional it is
  64. [17:40:05] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: 愛
  65. [17:40:15] Lionyx: /me sees no difference but takes your word
  66. [17:40:19] +cc: lol, me neither
  67. [17:40:27] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Lionyx i'll elaborate why do we have 2 separate pieces of language
  68. [17:40:32] boss dj: the details are small
  69. [17:40:32] Lionyx: oki
  70. [17:40:33] london13: the top is slightly different
  71. [17:40:40] sejesensei: More Strokes
  72. [17:40:43] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: okie lets move on!
  73. [17:40:50] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: **general culture!**
  74. [17:40:54] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: let's start with food!
  75. [17:41:00] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.F1OPyGuFFlvg9_3lHUU4bAHaFb&pid=Api
  76. [17:41:00] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.F1OPyGuFFlvg9_3lHUU4bAHaFb&pid=Api"><img src="https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.F1OPyGuFFlvg9_3lHUU4bAHaFb&pid=Api" width="400" height="293"/></a></div>
  77. [17:41:12] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this is one of the night food markets
  78. [17:41:28] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as it's name suggests it is a market that sells various kinds of street food during the night
  79. [17:41:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: they are kinda like a hybrid of a wet market and a cooked food market.
  80. [17:41:54] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/gSwGEWV.jpg
  81. [17:41:54] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/gSwGEWV.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/gSwGEWV.jpg" width="400" height="225"/></a></div>
  82. [17:41:55] +cc: a night food market, ey?
  83. [17:41:59] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yea
  84. [17:42:00] +cc: sounds interesting
  85. [17:42:01] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: here's another picture
  86. [17:42:04] Amane Misa ♪: the only thing sucks about a food market
  87. [17:42:08] Amane Misa ♪: is that you wanna eat everything
  88. [17:42:11] Amane Misa ♪: but you can't
  89. [17:42:17] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/PeVDYUk.jpg
  90. [17:42:17] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/PeVDYUk.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/PeVDYUk.jpg" width="400" height="267"/></a></div>
  91. [17:42:18] Amane Misa ♪: you are full after one meal
  92. [17:42:20] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah in a way
  93. [17:42:30] Amane Misa ♪: ew seafood
  94. [17:42:33] Amane Misa ♪: is it really common there?
  95. [17:42:34] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: culture wise they are kinda like the soho area for asians
  96. [17:42:46] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: afaik many westerners like to head to a pub/bar during weekend evenings.
  97. [17:42:50] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this is like soho to them.
  98. [17:43:10] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as of the foods they sell
  99. [17:43:21] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/yQQtWPP.jpg
  100. [17:43:21] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/yQQtWPP.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/yQQtWPP.jpg" width="290" height="290"/></a></div>
  101. [17:43:26] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: let's begin with pearl milk tea!
  102. [17:43:27] london13: erm
  103. [17:43:34] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: we start off with a drink that can be accessed worldwide.
  104. [17:43:37] Amane Misa ♪: are those real pearls?
  105. [17:43:44] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah, they originated from Taiwan actually.
  106. [17:43:46] Amane Misa ♪: ouch
  107. [17:43:51] Amane Misa ♪: they are eating our new tier leader
  108. [17:43:58] sejesensei: Whatre the pearls made of
  109. [17:44:04] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i honestly have no idea
  110. [17:44:09] CKW: lol
  111. [17:44:09] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: probs some kind of jelly afaik but its more than that
  112. [17:44:12] Lionyx: nacre
  113. [17:44:22] sejesensei: Ah ok, so theyre edible
  114. [17:44:26] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: they're super cheap here thou about 30NT (Taiwanese dollars)
  115. [17:44:26] CKW: Yeah its la jelly-like texture
  116. [17:44:29] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: which translates to about 1USD
  117. [17:44:43] CKW: i never understood
  118. [17:44:46] CKW: the purpose
  119. [17:44:56] CKW: of having them in a drink!
  120. [17:44:57] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the name of these pearls are actually called 'tapioca balls' they resemble like jelly. was invented in the 1980s.
  121. [17:45:15] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: only just decades thou it is popularized worldwide!
  122. [17:45:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Often times people can replace pearls with grass jelly of even candy! it's actually one of my fav drinks!
  123. [17:45:48] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/SRhVkEu.jpg
  124. [17:45:48] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/SRhVkEu.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/SRhVkEu.jpg" width="400" height="266"/></a></div>
  125. [17:45:51] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: fried chicken!
  126. [17:45:52] +Koakuma: That drink looks really good.
  127. [17:45:54] Amane Misa ♪: kfcccc
  128. [17:46:02] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: also known as super large fried chicken (大鸡排)
  129. [17:46:13] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: koa if there is a Chinatown around you it's likely there is a place that sells bubble milk tea
  130. [17:46:38] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: some of the crispiest chicken ive tasted tbh. It's super spicy too! Boneless.
  131. [17:46:51] Amane Misa ♪: is it better than KFC?
  132. [17:46:57] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i promise you they put KFC to shame
  133. [17:46:58] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: imo
  134. [17:46:59] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: :P
  135. [17:47:04] Amane Misa ♪: :thinking:
  136. [17:47:05] sejesensei: Boneless id best
  137. [17:47:09] sejesensei: Is*
  138. [17:47:13] Amane Misa ♪: are they only sold in Taiwan?
  139. [17:47:21] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: no but the core concept is from Taiwan.
  140. [17:47:21] MicktheSpud: that looks awesome
  141. [17:47:29] Amane Misa ♪: it looks amazing
  142. [17:47:31] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: to just sell you a piece of chicken fried with that texture sprinkled with spices
  143. [17:47:54] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/6gtS4Th.jpg
  144. [17:47:54] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/6gtS4Th.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/6gtS4Th.jpg" width="400" height="267"/></a></div>
  145. [17:48:01] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: similar to the above but it's fried cuttlefish
  146. [17:48:11] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: you can actually get many fried varients of seafoods and meat around here.
  147. [17:48:37] Amane Misa ♪: ewwww
  148. [17:48:38] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: cost also is about 30NT
  149. [17:48:43] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: 1USD
  150. [17:48:49] Amane Misa ♪: even if they paid me to eat it
  151. [17:48:51] Amane Misa ♪: I wouldn't
  152. [17:48:51] Amane Misa ♪: LOL
  153. [17:49:00] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ok last one on street food
  154. [17:49:11] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/P1YpAYF.jpg
  155. [17:49:12] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/P1YpAYF.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/P1YpAYF.jpg" width="243" height="300"/></a></div>
  156. [17:49:16] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this is shaved ice dessert
  157. [17:49:22] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: shaved ice with various kinds of toppings and flavourings.
  158. [17:49:25] sejesensei: That looks extremely sweet
  159. [17:49:28] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: red bean is the most common and popular topping.
  160. [17:49:35] Amane Misa ♪: what's inside it?
  161. [17:49:37] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the first time i tried, i felt like ice cream became an inferior product.
  162. [17:49:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: oh various fruits, icings, sugar etc.
  163. [17:49:55] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: and a lot of ice as it's name suggests.
  164. [17:50:03] Lionyx: and ~~as the picture suggests~~
  165. [17:50:26] yumehop: fuck
  166. [17:50:29] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ok that will conclude the street food section
  167. [17:50:29] yumehop: stop making me hungry
  168. [17:50:37] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: :P
  169. [17:50:50] 96k ☾: Am I too early, MRA.
  170. [17:50:51] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as for some other traditional foods, if you ever visit Taiwan you must try their beef tender noodles!
  171. [17:51:01] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/FNxMZai.jpg
  172. [17:51:01] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/FNxMZai.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/FNxMZai.jpg" width="237" height="300"/></a></div>
  173. [17:51:18] Amane Misa ♪: oh my god
  174. [17:51:19] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Taiwanese signature, simply beef tenders in noodles, with a hot soup base.
  175. [17:51:27] %TrueEffect: Soap
  176. [17:51:31] Amane Misa ♪: it looks like a traditional Yemenese soup
  177. [17:51:34] %TrueEffect: Soupp
  178. [17:51:34] Amane Misa ♪: but with noodles
  179. [17:51:43] sejesensei: Hnnnnng that looks amazing
  180. [17:51:47] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: it is very straightforward when it comes to cooking
  181. [17:51:55] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: spring onion is served along.
  182. [17:52:04] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: you can get these for 90NT
  183. [17:52:06] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: or about 3USD
  184. [17:52:16] Amane Misa ♪: so cheap
  185. [17:52:17] Lionyx: whats NT stand for?
  186. [17:52:22] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the Taiwanese dollar
  187. [17:52:26] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i don't know why it is used NT thou
  188. [17:52:31] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: not even a corresponding acronym
  189. [17:52:36] Amane Misa ♪: new taiwanese
  190. [17:52:40] Amane Misa ♪: jk i don't really know
  191. [17:53:01] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/4Ht2SCg.jpg
  192. [17:53:01] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/4Ht2SCg.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/4Ht2SCg.jpg" width="400" height="236"/></a></div>
  193. [17:53:07] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this is stinky tofu
  194. [17:53:26] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: interesting name but in contrast to it's name it actually tastes better than it name suggests.
  195. [17:53:36] Amane Misa ♪: is stinky tofu the official name?
  196. [17:53:44] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah it's directly translated.
  197. [17:53:55] Amane Misa ♪: amusing.
  198. [17:54:02] yumehop: stopppp
  199. [17:54:04] yumehop: im hungry
  200. [17:54:05] yumehop: asjdhdsfjaf
  201. [17:54:09] Amane Misa ♪: go eat
  202. [17:54:09] Amane Misa ♪: smh
  203. [17:54:09] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: :P
  204. [17:54:12] +cc: so wait
  205. [17:54:13] yumehop: i want stinky tofu
  206. [17:54:14] yumehop: PLEASE
  207. [17:54:17] +cc: does it actually smell or not?
  208. [17:54:17] yumehop: it's so yummy
  209. [17:54:20] yumehop: and smells so bad
  210. [17:54:25] yumehop: yea it literally smellslike shit
  211. [17:54:25] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: cc it's odor is pretty bad
  212. [17:54:35] Lionyx: ew
  213. [17:54:36] yumehop: it's fermented tofu
  214. [17:54:37] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: but what it tastes like will defy your expectations
  215. [17:54:40] +cc: ah
  216. [17:54:44] yumehop: it's like
  217. [17:54:46] +cc: that's good, ig?
  218. [17:54:46] yumehop: durian
  219. [17:54:48] yumehop: but tofu
  220. [17:54:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: anyway this concludes the food section.
  221. [17:54:56] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: feel free to ask questions!
  222. [17:55:13] Amane Misa ♪: is there a parliament in Taiwan?
  223. [17:55:38] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yes actually
  224. [17:55:48] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: but the core principle is very different to other nations
  225. [17:55:59] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: more info on that later in the lecture!
  226. [17:56:17] yumehop: what was ur fav mra
  227. [17:56:19] yumehop: fav food
  228. [17:56:24] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: oh probs the fried chicken
  229. [17:56:25] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: :P
  230. [17:56:27] yumehop: i love taiwanese sausages
  231. [17:56:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah those
  232. [17:56:50] +cc: that sounds pretty nice
  233. [17:56:50] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i'd love to show more street foods since there are just so many but it will take too much time :I
  234. [17:57:03] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ok moving on to the next category. housing and infrastructure.
  235. [17:57:15] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: very similar to many metropolises in asia, houses are compacted due to high population density
  236. [17:57:42] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: but to the contrary to many other Asian metropolises (especially Hong Kong) the rent, leasing prices and general property prices are much more affordable surprisingly.
  237. [17:58:22] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: kitchens are tiny and there are more complex cooking appliances. You don't see dishwashers.
  238. [17:58:25] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: well rarely is there a dishwasher.
  239. [17:59:01] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as for some other infrastructure Taiwan is considered a member of the 亚洲四小龙 which roughly translates to ‘the 4 major nations of Asia’ or ‘the 4 dragons of Asia’. This is determined via overall economic growth via GDP per capita, net total foreign direct investments as well as population.
  240. [17:59:16] Amane Misa ♪: what are the other major nations?
  241. [17:59:26] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: other three dragons being Hong Kong, Seoul (south korea) and singapore
  242. [17:59:42] Amane Misa ♪: oh really?
  243. [17:59:43] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: surprisingly not Tokyo.
  244. [17:59:44] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah
  245. [17:59:45] Amane Misa ♪: no china?
  246. [17:59:48] Amane Misa ♪: i mean
  247. [17:59:50] Amane Misa ♪: hong kong is kinda china
  248. [17:59:53] Amane Misa ♪: but you know what i mean
  249. [18:00:02] Luka~: Lmao
  250. [18:00:04] Amane Misa ♪: actually i mean
  251. [18:00:05] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: we refer to dragons in terms of city, not the country as a whole
  252. [18:00:05] Amane Misa ♪: uh
  253. [18:00:06] Amane Misa ♪: beijing?
  254. [18:00:13] Amane Misa ♪: (I am tired)
  255. [18:00:32] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: no Beijing's economic activity can't even be compared with Hong Kong, Seoul is absolutely leading and catching up with other world leaders, Singapore too and so is Taiwan.
  256. [18:00:59] Amane Misa ♪: ic ic
  257. [18:01:04] Luka~: Really? I didn't know Seoul was getting up there
  258. [18:01:06] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: like the other three dragons, all 4 metropolises have a lot of high rises.
  259. [18:01:16] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah Seoul's GDP is skyrocketing.
  260. [18:01:20] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ~~thanks to Samsung~~
  261. [18:01:23] Luka~: LOL
  262. [18:01:57] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: high rises are basically skyscrapers and tall buildings built to host a high number of people at the same time due to the scarcity and overall cost of land
  263. [18:02:09] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.imgur.com/t0Y9Kh2.jpg
  264. [18:02:10] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.imgur.com/t0Y9Kh2.jpg"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/t0Y9Kh2.jpg" width="400" height="266"/></a></div>
  265. [18:02:14] Luka~: Are they pretty common there?
  266. [18:02:17] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: so this is Taipei during night
  267. [18:02:18] Amane Misa ♪: beautiful o-o
  268. [18:02:22] Luka~: SO PRETTY
  269. [18:02:32] i savour frogs: gorgeous
  270. [18:02:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: that tall building is called Taipei 101, used to be Taipei world finance center
  271. [18:02:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: its filled with offices of financial workers and businessmen
  272. [18:03:02] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: was the tallest building on the planet since 2004 until it was overtaken by Burj Khalifa in Dubai 2010.
  273. [18:03:25] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i wonder when will Dubai become Asia's leading economic metropolis thou?
  274. [18:03:55] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ok that will conclude housing and infrastructure. Feel free to ask questions!
  275. [18:04:47] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ok moving on!
  276. [18:04:49] Lionyx: if it 'used to be taipei world finance center' what's it now?
  277. [18:04:53] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: oh
  278. [18:04:59] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: they just changed the name to just Taipei 101
  279. [18:05:09] Lionyx: ah that was the name
  280. [18:05:15] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: cuz it's corresponds to it's number of stories
  281. [18:05:19] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: being 101 including basement
  282. [18:05:44] +Koakuma: It may look crowded but man living there must be great.
  283. [18:05:53] 96k ☾: Get out, Lio.
  284. [18:06:00] 96k ☾: MRA needs to shine.
  285. [18:06:10] london13: let's not be rude
  286. [18:06:16] Lionyx: don't interrupt a lecture with memes...
  287. [18:06:19] london13: he did say any questions?
  288. [18:06:33] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: there's pros and cons living in an Asian super-metropolis koa especially when you come from a nation where the population density you grew up with is somewhat low
  289. [18:06:56] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: but it is worth it! :)
  290. [18:07:11] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: especially if you have a dream of starting a business in one of these cities
  291. [18:07:32] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: business in Taipei, Hong Kong and especially Seoul are basically guaranteed for you to profit.
  292. [18:08:11] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the leisure activity here is baseball
  293. [18:08:21] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Taiwan has it's own league called the CPBL or chiense professional baseball league
  294. [18:08:32] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i2.wp.com/cdn.kikinote.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/中華職棒-CPBL線上收看.jpg
  295. [18:08:32] *Kid A: That's not a valid URL.
  296. [18:08:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ugh
  297. [18:08:56] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: anyway in that link it's just their logo.
  298. [18:09:13] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: not as nearly as competitive as America's MLB teams thou, they only have 4 in comparison to 30 in MLB.
  299. [18:09:31] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: And that concludes general culture!
  300. [18:09:58] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Now on Economy of the nation!
  301. [18:10:09] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the currency is the Taiwan dollar also known as $NT
  302. [18:10:20] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: a single USD purchases 29.26NT or roughly 30 of these.
  303. [18:10:40] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Main export is tourism and foods.
  304. [18:10:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Both contribute significantly to the total export of the nation.
  305. [18:11:07] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: in 2011 Taipei ranked 37th out of all cities visited in terms of tourism competitiveness.
  306. [18:12:23] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Taipei shares similar traits regarding economic productivity with the other 3 dragons, all 4 dragons' GDP are significantly contributed via tourism
  307. [18:12:59] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: although what exactly the tourist attraction is and what created such market each nation has it's own unique trait.
  308. [18:13:15] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as for Taiwan, hot springs are a big attraction for tourists.
  309. [18:13:43] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/a0/ea/12a0eaf1de70bab31837f4e7e68a5fd9.jpg
  310. [18:13:44] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/a0/ea/12a0eaf1de70bab31837f4e7e68a5fd9.jpg"><img src="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/a0/ea/12a0eaf1de70bab31837f4e7e68a5fd9.jpg" width="400" height="300"/></a></div>
  311. [18:13:45] +cc: I can imagine
  312. [18:13:52] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this is one of the hot spring resorts
  313. [18:13:57] +cc: I would still wanna be in a hotspring one day
  314. [18:14:03] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: it is very relaxing i promise you cc!
  315. [18:14:09] +Koakuma: Jeez that looks amazing wtf
  316. [18:14:11] +cc: they probably have them here too, but no natural ones
  317. [18:14:12] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: for those who don't know what a hot spring is
  318. [18:14:40] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: It's relaxing spa pool that people go to to warm up their bodies and improve their skin quality.
  319. [18:14:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: very affordable to compared to some other spa treatments.
  320. [18:15:15] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: demand for these services are peak during winter but surprisingly even hot summer days people do visit it.
  321. [18:16:06] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: You can find hot springs in places where it is near a volcanic region
  322. [18:16:28] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: be careful not to ingest any water thou! there's sulphur content in em
  323. [18:16:38] sejesensei: God, that looks great to soak in
  324. [18:17:11] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: it is!
  325. [18:17:24] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the hot spring market is actually very competitive
  326. [18:17:33] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: almost every hotel will guarantee to have some variant.
  327. [18:18:29] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: .link https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7410/27141508574_57c66d66d4_z.jpg
  328. [18:18:29] |html|<div class="infobox"><a href="https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7410/27141508574_57c66d66d4_z.jpg"><img src="https://c7.staticflickr.com/8/7410/27141508574_57c66d66d4_z.jpg" width="350" height="300"/></a></div>
  329. [18:18:39] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: these are artificially created thou
  330. [18:18:49] Lionyx: looks like an ice vs fire scene
  331. [18:18:57] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: that's right, not all springs are warm
  332. [18:19:06] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: some are burning hot while some are ice cold
  333. [18:19:28] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: each serve a purpose, can boost the metabolism and regulate blood levels if done enough.
  334. [18:19:46] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: As for some other exports
  335. [18:19:54] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Taiwanese also has a very respectable market regarding technology.
  336. [18:20:12] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: 10.8% of Taiwan's GDP are from computer technology
  337. [18:20:16] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as well as household appliances.
  338. [18:20:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: hey a question for you all, who owns an Acer computer/laptop/device?
  339. [18:20:52] Lionyx: my sister
  340. [18:20:55] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ahh
  341. [18:20:58] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Acer is actually from taiwan
  342. [18:21:04] @Brandon~: i have an acer
  343. [18:21:17] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i might one day get one after my computer dies down.
  344. [18:21:44] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as for some other economic background on Taiwan, let's look at the big mac index
  345. [18:21:58] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: what this statistic shows is it provides an informal way to measure the 'purchasing power parity' between two currencies.
  346. [18:22:31] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: economists use a big mac as a frame of reference to represent just what is the average cost of goods and services within a nation
  347. [18:22:42] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the price of a big mac here is about $2.55USD
  348. [18:22:49] Lionyx: are you talking about the mcd burger?
  349. [18:22:52] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah
  350. [18:23:17] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: which is surprisingly cheap compared to some European nations. Afaik Norway costs 3x as much.
  351. [18:23:47] umbreon1108: yea, here it costa round $6
  352. [18:23:51] umbreon1108: *costs
  353. [18:23:57] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: okie that will conclude the economic background!
  354. [18:24:01] Lionyx: maybe does it also depend on the average income
  355. [18:24:01] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: feel free to ask questions!
  356. [18:24:03] sejesensei: Im pretty sure its more than 3x in norway
  357. [18:24:17] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: o.o
  358. [18:24:40] Lionyx: how much does the average taiwanese earn?
  359. [18:24:44] Lionyx: per month
  360. [18:25:03] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: umm
  361. [18:25:11] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i don't have an exact statistic because the standard deviation is very great
  362. [18:25:20] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: but afaik the minimum wage is 21k NT
  363. [18:25:32] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: which translates to umm... hold on i'm getting a calculator :P
  364. [18:26:15] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: 1000 USD
  365. [18:26:23] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: that's only the minimum wage thou
  366. [18:26:36] Lionyx: not so high so
  367. [18:26:45] Lionyx: or at least compared to european countries
  368. [18:26:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah the main reason why sooo many goods are so cheap is because
  369. [18:26:54] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the labour cost is hilariously cheap
  370. [18:27:08] Lionyx: yeah so proportionally it's a bit similar to europe/the US?
  371. [18:27:13] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: yeah correct.
  372. [18:27:29] Lionyx: cause if things are 3 times pricier in norway they also earn 3 times more money
  373. [18:27:38] Lionyx: so thats why i was wondering
  374. [18:27:39] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Lionyx this system is done intentionally thou, when your country revolves around profiting from tourism
  375. [18:27:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: you need to deliberately devaluate your currency to attract foreign tourism demand.
  376. [18:28:05] @Berserking Now: the prices in china were really nice
  377. [18:28:07] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: This is exactly what's happening in Japan too and china as well.
  378. [18:28:30] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: China and Japan are deliberately like Taiwan devaluating their currency so that they can export their goods more easily and attract foreign tourism.
  379. [18:28:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: not sure about Seoul thou.
  380. [18:29:17] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ok let's move on to the history itself.
  381. [18:29:26] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: so what kind of 'nation' is Taiwan anyway?
  382. [18:29:53] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i gotta say out of all the nations on the planet, Taiwan is the most unique kind of classification. To this day, politicians still debate what kind of nation Taiwan is.
  383. [18:30:13] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: so what caused such ambiguity? We need to look at the history itself.
  384. [18:30:23] +cc: (quick side-note; I might go to bed pretty soon, but I enjoyed this lecture of yours MRA, props to your prep :])
  385. [18:30:31] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: gn cc!
  386. [18:30:44] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: for majority of the 17th century Taiwan is a colony of dutch and Spanish rule.
  387. [18:31:04] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: shortly during 1682, China took control of Taiwan in a civil war, managed to push the dutch and Spanish out.
  388. [18:31:11] Lionyx: simultaneously or first dutch then spanish?
  389. [18:31:15] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: simutaneously
  390. [18:31:34] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: or afaik the time difference is tiny it is neligable
  391. [18:31:53] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: then at the end of the 19th century it was colonized again by the Japanese empire
  392. [18:31:57] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: after the first sino-japanese war
  393. [18:32:36] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: During 1945 at the end of the world war 2, both the Chinese and united states (which were temporarily world war 2 allies fighting against the axis)
  394. [18:32:43] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: they pushed the Japanese out of Taiwan.
  395. [18:33:00] 96k ☾: (I'm gonna head off. Sorry for arriving late to your lecture, MRA. Good job man. n_n)
  396. [18:33:03] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: gn!
  397. [18:33:07] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: after the Japanese surrendered, the Chinese military general refered to this day as 'Taiwan retrocession day'
  398. [18:33:34] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this is a holiday that still exists in china on October 1945 25th
  399. [18:33:40] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: unofficially
  400. [18:33:57] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this was supposed to be the day that marked when Taiwan has been integrated back into Chinese sovereignty
  401. [18:34:04] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: at least in china's perspective.
  402. [18:34:27] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this was supposed to be the day that marked when Taiwan has been integrated back into Chinese sovereignty
  403. [18:34:54] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: but on the point of view from the other members of the allied powers including the United states, they did not recognise this integration but only as a 'military occupied zone' until 1952 where all Japanese colonisation completely withdrew.
  404. [18:35:06] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: took 7 years just to completely withdraw after the official surrender document has signed.
  405. [18:35:19] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: afaik i'm not aware why it required 7 years thou.
  406. [18:35:49] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: 1952 probably was when all Japanese laws, regulations and administrative cultures are reversed back to Taiwan, despite surrendering.
  407. [18:36:18] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: now this is the moment of history that caused the ambiguity of what kind of nation Taiwan is recognised as
  408. [18:37:19] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: when the Japanese signed this treaty about returning Taiwan back to the allies they did **not** sign if they are surrendering Taiwan back to China's sovereignty or to Taiwan's own sovereignty
  409. [18:37:26] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: (since they have already their own government established since the previous colonisations by the Spanish and the dutch)
  410. [18:37:45] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: arguably Taiwan was already separate from China in terms of culturally and politically for nearly 4 centuries
  411. [18:38:22] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: hey guys i love to hear from your opinions, i'm gonna create a poll.
  412. [18:38:44] Lionyx: do the magic
  413. [18:40:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: sorry just a little longer
  414. [18:41:14] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">[TrueEffect] Are you shy?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Yes</strong> <small>(14 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:81px"></span><small>&nbsp;27%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>No</strong> <small>(4 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:24px"></span><small>&nbsp;8%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>Depends on whom I&apos;m with</strong> <small>(27 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:159px"></span><small>&nbsp;53%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">4. <strong>A Little Bit</strong> <small>(6 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:36px"></span><small>&nbsp;12%</small></div></div>
  415. [18:41:14] (The poll was ended by AlphaWittem.)
  416. [18:41:15] AlphaWittem used /poll create What kind of "nation" will you classify Taiwan as?, Own independent sovereign nation but happens to be in Chinese soil, A nation under Chinese sovereignty but with some degree of independence and administration, some other classification
  417. [18:41:15] (A poll was started by AlphaWittem.)
  418. [18:41:30] The poll timer was turned on: the poll will end in 1 minute(s).
  419. [18:41:30] (The poll timer was set to 1 minute(s) by AlphaWittem.)
  420. [18:41:44] Lionyx: as of 2018 or as of 1952?
  421. [18:41:48] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: as of today
  422. [18:42:30] |html|<div class="infobox"><p style="margin: 2px 0 5px 0"><span style="border:1px solid #777;color:#555;border-radius:4px;padding:0 3px"><i class="fa fa-bar-chart"></i> Poll ended</span> <strong style="font-size:11pt">What kind of &quot;nation&quot; will you classify Taiwan as?</strong></p><div style="margin-top: 3px">1. <strong>Own independent sovereign nation but happens to be in Chinese soil</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#79A;padding-right:150px"></span><small>&nbsp;50%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">2. <strong>A nation under Chinese sovereignty but with some degree of independence and administration</strong> <small>(0 votes)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#8A8;padding-right:0px"></span><small>&nbsp;0%</small></div><div style="margin-top: 3px">3. <strong>some other classification</strong> <small>(1 vote)</small><br /><span style="font-size:7pt;background:#88B;padding-right:150px"></span><small>&nbsp;50%</small></div></div>
  423. [18:42:51] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: welp only 2 votes but
  424. [18:44:03] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: The ambiguity is very present, Taiwan's sovereignty has been exchanging hands several times on who colonizes them and who influences them.
  425. [18:44:12] Lionyx: i picked 3 cause imo it's its own independant nation on its own piece of land
  426. [18:44:21] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: ahh
  427. [18:44:47] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: arguably since Taiwan has it's own flag, it's own national anthem, its own democracy as well as its own military
  428. [18:45:10] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: it is more towards it's own independent 'sovereign' nation.
  429. [18:45:20] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: although the United nations do not classify as Taiwan being it's on independent nation yet
  430. [18:45:27] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: maybe one day who knows?
  431. [18:45:30] CKW: well that's rude
  432. [18:45:30] Lionyx: hasn't it taken China's permanent room in UN at some point? or am I thinking of something else
  433. [18:45:51] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: there's actually political tensions that Taiwan wants to take Taiwan back to it's own sovereign administration
  434. [18:45:57] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: on the other hand Taiwan wants to succeed.
  435. [18:46:09] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: the situation arguably here is Taiwan is only 'halfway' succeeded from China.
  436. [18:46:20] Lionyx: i guess cause it's an interesting source of tourism which china doesn't want to lose
  437. [18:46:35] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: indeed. but Taiwan's culture has already evolved so much
  438. [18:46:39] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: even the language is starting to differ.
  439. [18:47:01] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: we do not know what the future for Taiwan stands for in terms of its sovereignty status but
  440. [18:47:15] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: my forecast is it will eventually become it's own independent nation.
  441. [18:47:37] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: But doing this will take a lot of work and time because there is still another problem of Taiwan being it's own independent nation
  442. [18:47:48] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: that being is not just land sovereignty but airspace and water sovereignty
  443. [18:48:18] Lionyx: their water interferes with china's waters?
  444. [18:48:31] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: afaik the UN classifies a country has it's right to it's own sovereign airspace and water within a certain distance radius
  445. [18:48:33] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: until it becomes international
  446. [18:48:36] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: lio yes correct
  447. [18:49:04] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: if Taiwan demands its right to be an independent country it would also demand it's right to it's own sovereign airspace as well as waters, which part of it already overlaps with china.
  448. [18:49:25] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: trying to negotiate who owns which airspace and how much will without doubt cause a lot of political disputes.
  449. [18:49:46] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: so there's a long way to go until complete independence
  450. [18:50:02] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: and that concludes history!
  451. [18:50:33] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: As for the final section of this lecture! My personal experience visiting Taiwan!
  452. [18:50:54] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: I've been to Taiwan several times, reason being is it is extremely close, not even an hour flight from where i grew up.
  453. [18:51:33] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: best part? The street food is some of the best I've tasted.
  454. [18:51:45] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: The hot springs too!
  455. [18:52:09] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: 80% of tourists in Taiwan are Chinese Tourists.
  456. [18:52:31] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: due to geographic location, the biggest happiness i obtain from there is like i said previously is the hot springs.
  457. [18:52:46] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: I've attended both the ones artificially made in a resort as well as a natural one with a waterfall!
  458. [18:53:43] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: While the hotel rooms itself is nothing to be brag about, it is only slightly better than an inn but
  459. [18:53:55] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: i gotta say if you are on a holiday and if you live in asia
  460. [18:54:07] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: this is the best budget place to come and get the most out of it in terms of relaxation and foodies!
  461. [18:54:42] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: In Taiwan the main messenger app is called line messenger
  462. [18:54:52] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: it works just like WhatsApp, viber and wechat
  463. [18:55:02] Lionyx: is it also a cheap destination if you live in europe?
  464. [18:55:03] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: You can purchase a lot of things just tapping your phone on a scanner
  465. [18:55:08] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Lionyx nope unfortunately :(
  466. [18:55:37] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: to the point that bringing money isn't actually a must
  467. [18:55:42] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: *ofcourse you need a bank here
  468. [18:56:02] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: Hey guys before i conclude this, any questions you still have? :)
  469. [18:56:19] Lionyx: I think you hadn't seen my question back in the history part: → [00:45:45] Lionyx: hasn't it taken China's permanent room in UN at some point? or am I thinking of something else
  470. [18:56:44] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: no it hasn't
  471. [18:57:02] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: china knows it can't take it back, United States and several former allied members will resort in warfare just to stop them.
  472. [18:57:07] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: which china does not want to
  473. [18:57:21] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: So china tries to approach with some other diplomatic solutions. I doubt they will get anywhere thou.
  474. [18:57:29] Lionyx: no I mean like there are 5 permanent United Nations members which China is part of
  475. [18:57:42] Lionyx: (alongside the UK, the US, France & Russia)
  476. [18:57:54] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: oh yeah Taiwan is not considered part of china according to UK
  477. [18:58:07] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: so no representatives from Taiwan are in that member union
  478. [18:58:26] Lionyx: and iirc back in the 20th century China had seen its permanent spot being taken by a smaller entity, but can't recall if it was taiwan
  479. [18:58:49] Lionyx: cause the other nations weren't acknowledging people's republic of china
  480. [18:58:55] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: that's Hong Kong
  481. [18:59:07] Lionyx: alright that was my doubt
  482. [18:59:23] +Mighty+Rising+Ace: anyway thanks for coming guys i'll conclude it here!
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