- Taken from: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/22/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
- [14:05] <LjL> h00k: you're not under inspection, you took the course of action you thought best, and i can't just say you should have done it differently like this or that. i'm just saying, the fact that !ops was called like that shows there *is* a general uneasiness, with robinetd in particular since it's hardly the first time.
- [14:05] <bazhang> certainly not, but the "let's make this a serious discussion only room" did
- [14:06] <jussi> I think lart is a horrible thing. its derrogatory, downputting and horrible.
- [14:06] <bazhang> sometimes people have been helping for many many hours, and just want some place...silly
- [14:06] <LjL> h00k: but if i had to say how i would have done it, maybe i wouldn't have placed too much emphasis on the inappropriateness of calling !ops (well, the second time i would have), and i would have asked robinetd to chill out
- [14:06] <tsimpson> bazhang: I don't know what part made it "a serious discussion only room", that's what I'm confused about
- [14:06] <h00k> LjL: which, in conversation, he did immediately
- [14:07] <h00k> the conversation turned to 'maple syrup' as a topic
- Yes, it turned to maple syrup but then was immediately followed by this:
- Tuesday Feb 21
- [20:47] <pangolin> I'm thinking it may be time to get a couple of weapons
- [20:47] <Beezow> pangolin: For what?
- [20:47] * Beezow owns a remington 870 express.
- [20:48] <pangolin> people are stupid and will start going ape crazy
- [20:48] <Beezow> 3.5" chamber. YEAAAAAAAAAH BOY
- [20:48] <pangolin> I need to make sure they don't come for my foods
- [20:48] <Beezow> People try to break into my house, they'll BE my foods.
- [20:48] <pangolin> that is what the fire pit in the basement is for :3
- That's cannibalism (or, at the very least, a joke about cannibalism). What's the matter with you people? Have you lost your bloody minds? Is the above somehow acceptable? In the world I live in that's not considered "family friendly," under any circumstances. It's the kind of thing even the FBI would be interested to hear about. But apart from being... well just throw all the guidelines at it and I bet they all stick, and then throw "overlooked and ignored" at it for good measure too; apart from it being all of those things it clearly illustrates the bulk of the problem:- you all are so close to the real problem you cannot see it to fix it. I had to read nine pages that went round and round in circles about what the problem was, how it got broke and how to fix it and ikonia alone showed he understood what the problem is. I clearly told you what/who the problem is but you blew that off as though it hadn't even registered. Well I hope what was said between 20:47 and 20:48 above gets the point across sufficiently for it to register this time - you are all so much a part of the robinetd game in #ubuntu-offtopic that you don't have the ability, or the credibility to fix the problem.
- Unfortunately I wasn't keeping logs before the incident on the Feb 21 or I would be able to back that statement up much better that I can now, but I think the following will suffice:
- Feb 24 05:10:13 <M4dH4TT3r> but i got so much shit on my network now i really dont care much im probally gonna remove that router and nmap the posible ip's
- Feb 24 05:10:29 <M4dH4TT3r> till i get a hit
- Feb 24 05:10:33 <mosno> good luck!
- Feb 24 05:10:34 * MrChrisDruif (~ryu-kuris@unaffiliated/chrisdruif) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 05:10:41 * mosno goes to watch some TV
- Feb 24 05:10:59 * cmdshftn has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/)
- Feb 24 05:11:15 <M4dH4TT3r> i hate forgetting fucking router ip's its worse though when u never knew them in the first place though
- Feb 24 05:11:25 <M4dH4TT3r> -fucking
- Feb 24 05:11:34 <Tm_T> tsssk
- Feb 24 05:11:38 <M4dH4TT3r> lol
- Feb 24 05:11:45 * chu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
- Feb 24 05:11:55 <Tm_T> you even doubled it, aww
- Feb 24 05:12:06 <M4dH4TT3r> lol thought about that after lol
- Feb 24 05:12:25 <Beezow> !lol
- Feb 24 05:12:26 <ubottu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
- Feb 24 05:12:33 <M4dH4TT3r> how u been tmnt?
- Feb 24 05:12:43 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to ikonia
- Feb 24 05:12:44 * ikonia sets ban on *!*@69-161-8-123.dynamic.cdma.acsalaska.net
- Feb 24 05:12:44 * ChanServ removes channel operator status from ikonia
- Feb 24 05:12:50 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to ikonia
- Feb 24 05:12:51 * ikonia has kicked M4dH4TT3r from #ubuntu-offtopic (I am sick of your language)
- Feb 24 05:12:51 * ChanServ removes channel operator status from ikonia
- Feb 24 05:12:58 <Tm_T> oaight
- Feb 24 05:18:58 * SLayeRDK (~kimsen196@2.111.224.247) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 05:20:29 * enchilad1 has quit (Changing host)
- Feb 24 05:20:30 * enchilad1 (~enchilado@defocus/yummy/enchilado) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 05:20:34 * enchilad1 is now known as enchiladop
- Feb 24 05:20:41 * enchiladop is now known as enchilado
- Is Tm_T just making idle conversation with M4dH4tt3r (like setting an example) or is he actually egging him on? (and another good example of offtopic "family friendly" standards - don't bother with the !language or the !ops trigger, use the !lol one. Far more appropriate!).
- Feb 24 23:21:39 <Beezow> sir
- Feb 24 23:21:42 <Beezow> oh, he left
- Feb 24 23:21:53 <Beezow> guy thinks raspberry pi is food
- Feb 24 23:21:54 <Beezow> :(
- Feb 24 23:26:44 <Kehelekarakh> lol.
- Feb 24 23:26:51 <elky> hah
- Feb 24 23:26:56 <williampowel> http://www.clientsfromhell.com. enjoy the laugh
- Feb 24 23:27:07 * wiky (~wiky@2001:da8:8006:925:c646:19ff:fea0:64a3) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 23:27:21 * katesmith has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
- Feb 24 23:27:28 * chu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
- Feb 24 23:27:54 * katesmith (~KateSmith@97-89-225-98.static.snfr.nc.charter.com) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 23:27:55 * katesmith has quit (Changing host)
- Feb 24 23:27:55 * katesmith (~KateSmith@unaffiliated/costume) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 23:28:02 <walden> raspberry pi does look pretty cool
- Feb 24 23:28:44 * mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 23:28:57 <walden> it's great that it will boot from SD
- Feb 24 23:29:40 * superdave321 (~superdave@75-120-150-64.dyn.centurytel.net) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 23:29:43 <Kehelekarakh> Clients from hell is forbidden
- Feb 24 23:29:56 <Beezow> I wonder if it'll come with an sd card.
- Feb 24 23:30:01 <Beezow> 'Cause I don't think I have any.
- Feb 24 23:30:16 <Beezow> I'm playing halo with a guy named PoopyUndurpants.
- Feb 24 23:30:17 * allquixotic_ (~allquixot@pdpc/supporter/bronze/allquixotic) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 23:30:18 <Beezow> True story.
- Feb 24 23:30:32 <Beezow> aw, he left.
- Feb 24 23:30:48 <Kehelekarakh> "manjuice"
- Feb 24 23:30:57 * allquixotic has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
- Feb 24 23:30:59 <Kehelekarakh> "you were splattered by"
- Feb 24 23:31:00 <mosno> there's only so long you can play video games in soiled underwear, Beezow
- Feb 24 23:31:24 <Beezow> He was actually pretty good.
- Feb 24 23:31:43 <Kehelekarakh> Lol halo 4
- Feb 24 23:31:45 <Beezow> Interesting. 8GB flash drive for $9 plus shipping.
- Feb 24 23:31:50 <Beezow> I'm playing reach
- Feb 24 23:31:51 * roasted (d03657e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.87.233) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 24 23:31:54 <Beezow> er, combat anniversary.
- Feb 24 23:31:54 <roasted> hello!
- With an op watching "PoopyUnderpants" and "manjuice" seem to be acceptably "family friendly". I suppose it depends on who says it (or in whose company it is said)?
- Feb 27 18:46:11 <elky> i make my own bread all the time
- Feb 27 18:46:18 <dexter> Ship me some :(
- Feb 27 18:46:19 * Zahrada has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
- Feb 27 18:46:23 <pangolin> it really is simple when you do it right
- Feb 27 18:46:24 * dexter craves homemade bread.
- Feb 27 18:46:36 <elky> make sure you have enough moisture for it to rise.
- Feb 27 18:46:55 <elky> dexter, mine isn't made with grains though.
- Feb 27 18:47:46 <dexter> what do you make it with?
- Feb 27 18:47:53 <pangolin> concrete mix
- Feb 27 18:47:57 <pangolin> :)
- Feb 27 18:47:59 <dexter> I'll take six.
- Feb 27 18:48:16 <elky> quinoa seed flour, tapioca starch and almond meal
- Feb 27 18:48:19 * m00se (~yea@unaffiliated/m00se) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 27 18:48:22 * kkb110_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
- Feb 27 18:48:27 <dexter> Sounds interesting. :3
- Feb 27 18:49:08 * B-rat has quit (Quit: bbl)
- Feb 27 18:50:46 <elky> dexter, http://fuckyeahnogluten.tumblr.com/post/16628173026/not-cardboard-gluten-free-bread-revisited
- Feb 27 18:51:37 <elky> and uh.. ignore that url :3
- Feb 27 18:51:58 <dexter> why
- Feb 27 18:52:13 <elky> well, don't ignore it, ignore the words in it
- Feb 27 18:52:17 <elky> because ohmy
- Feb 27 18:52:20 * elky spanks self
- Feb 27 18:52:27 <Pici> :o
- Feb 27 18:52:40 <dexter> o_O
- No need to PM the link or use tinyurl. Hell no, it's offtopic and I'm an op so just paste it!
- Feb 27 23:33:12 <elky> dax, no oglaf?
- Feb 27 23:33:18 <wastrel> i'm making a processing sketch
- Feb 27 23:33:22 <wastrel> have you ever heard of that
- Feb 27 23:33:28 <dax> elky: of course I read oglaf, everyone reads oglaf
- Feb 27 23:34:03 <dexter> what's oglaf
- Feb 27 23:34:09 <chelz> apng - animated png
- Feb 27 23:34:10 <chelz> exists
- Feb 27 23:34:20 <Flannel> chelz: has for a while
- Feb 27 23:34:29 <chelz> blip.tv hosts ogg, dunno how well their html5 player is. or if they have one
- Feb 27 23:35:18 <elky> dexter, uh... shall i describe it to you in PM
- Feb 27 23:35:43 <dax> dexter: it's a webcomic that is also porn
- Feb 27 23:35:50 * elky headdesks
- Feb 27 23:36:13 <Flannel> elky: You're the one that brought it up!
- Feb 27 23:36:15 <dax> ^
- Feb 27 23:36:33 <chelz> sometimes you just have to save time by wasting time on two areas at the same time
- Feb 27 23:36:36 <elky> Flannel, yes, but i was hoping he would be less explicit
- Feb 27 23:36:37 <chelz> like porn and webcomics
- Feb 27 23:36:54 <dax> That was less explicit than my first draft.
- Feb 27 23:37:09 <Flannel> elky: the past 20 minutes makes me wonder if you've ever heard of a search engine.
- Feb 27 23:37:26 <elky> Flannel, i have. dexter asked.
- Feb 27 23:37:28 <dax> If you haven't, you should look into DuckDuckGo and ignore r
- There you go, another op just steps right into his trap. But the important thing here is ***there is nowhere else on the internets to post or discuss this kind of thing*** Nowhere!!! It has to be posted in #ubuntu-offtopic and it has to be posted NOW!
- Feb 28 05:23:58 <vibhav> Ill bring the !ops
- Feb 28 05:23:58 <dexter> Don't be mad if I show up with a bag of lays.
- Feb 28 05:23:59 <chu> 100 from 76
- Feb 28 05:24:03 <chu> Really good stuff.
- Feb 28 05:24:03 <dexter> I'll bring the hifi
- Feb 28 05:24:08 <chu> mc44: Do you follow cricket?
- Feb 28 05:24:12 <dax> I see vibhav is still missing a screw
- Feb 28 05:24:13 <chu> I have asked you this before.
- Feb 28 05:24:24 * elky snuggles with dax
- Feb 28 05:24:32 <elky> MINE
- Oh, so now an obfuscated, personal insult gets a snuggle
- Feb 28 05:35:57 * vibhav hugs dexter
- Feb 28 05:36:00 <chu> YES! India won!!!1
- Feb 28 05:36:07 <chu> awesome
- Feb 28 05:36:10 <dax> chu: it's a waste of time stupid thing
- Feb 28 05:36:15 <dexter> vibhav: what is this and why are you touching me
- vibhav, you have to be part of the clique to snuggle and be snuggled. Don't you get it?
- Feb 28 06:25:33 <bazhang> chu are you talking to imaginary friends again?
- Feb 28 06:25:43 <chu> yeah
- Feb 28 06:25:47 <dexter> Imaginary friends are great.
- Feb 28 06:25:49 <bazhang> ruhroh
- Feb 28 06:25:51 <LjL> i'm talking to imaginary friends
- Feb 28 06:25:51 <chu> i.e. bazhang
- Feb 28 06:25:54 <LjL> i imagine they're my friends :(
- Feb 28 06:25:57 <bazhang> :/
- Feb 28 06:25:57 <dexter> Mine keeps telling me to kill people. He won't shut up.
- Feb 28 06:26:00 <chu> :(
- Feb 28 06:26:05 <chu> LjL: :(:(:(:(:(
- Two ops present and talking. At least this time it's just about killing people, and not about cooking them in the basement for food.
- Feb 28 06:29:10 <dexter> LjL: You cold too?
- Feb 28 06:29:10 <vibhav> One of these days Ill colaborate with Jono Bacon and topyli
- Feb 28 06:29:18 <vibhav> collaborate*
- Feb 28 06:29:18 <LjL> dexter: my heart is
- Feb 28 06:29:23 <tavish> chu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kPyGvqNn4Y does youtube work in emacs?
- Feb 28 06:29:25 <dexter> LjL: I can warm it up
- Feb 28 06:29:46 <chu> tavish: I don't flash
- Feb 28 06:29:49 <LjL> dexter: and then kill it ;(
- Feb 28 06:29:57 <dexter> LjL: Never!
- LjL - that's how close you are to the problem. Now he's got you talking about killing (in a supposedly family friendly channel).
- Feb 28 06:45:47 <dexter> mc44: http://www.thefoodinmybeard.com/content/drinks/jello/jello0209.jpg
- Feb 28 06:45:48 <chu> Most of them are AI people, there are only about 4 philosophical logicians there
- Feb 28 06:46:11 <dexter> I want that domain. NOW.
- Feb 28 06:48:11 <elky> do you even have a beard?
- Feb 28 06:48:19 <dexter> Me? Yes.
- Feb 28 06:48:24 <vibhav> :O
- Feb 28 06:48:40 <vibhav> chu: The news is full of "THUMPING WIN FOR INDIA" :O
- Feb 28 06:49:04 * tavish has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
- Feb 28 06:49:04 <mc44> if by beard you mean girl to hide his sexual orientation, then yes, he does
- Feb 28 06:49:17 <dexter> wat
- Feb 28 06:49:21 <elky> mc44, low
- Feb 28 06:50:14 <mc44> dexter: nevermind sweetie
- Feb 28 06:50:16 <chu> vibhav: You guys did awesome.
- Feb 28 06:50:34 <dexter> mc44: That's why you don't get a picture of me, and someone else in this channel just did.
- Feb 28 06:50:37 * tavish (~tavish@unaffiliated/tavish) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Feb 28 06:50:49 <mc44> I'm sure that someone else is very lucky
- Feb 28 06:50:52 <chu> It's ok, he has plenty of pictures of me
- Feb 28 06:51:19 <mc44> I'm sure elky is admiring your beard right now, thinking what a lovely beard it is, and how ridiculous you don't look
- Feb 28 06:51:23 <dexter> mc44: Actually, I think I already showed you that picture anyways. You saw my shotgun, right?
- Feb 28 06:51:40 <mc44> dexter: only if we're talking about actual shotguns
- Feb 28 06:51:47 <dexter> Yes, actual shotgun.
- Here we go again... from obfuscated gender slander (you can do that if you're part of the clique) to guns. Again!
- Mar 03 15:58:31 <AtomicSpark> baconbacon123: Who the hell are you and why should I give a damn?
- Mar 03 15:59:05 <AtomicSpark> Some jerk from Michigan.
- Mar 03 15:59:20 <baconbacon123> whoa what the heck braa since when am i a yek
- Mar 03 15:59:30 * ryaxnb has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
- Mar 03 15:59:41 * jasonwert (~w3rt@96-42-138-172.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Mar 03 15:59:41 * ryaxnb__ (~ryaxnb@32.155.197.77) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Mar 03 16:00:33 * ryaxnb__ is now known as ryaxnb
- Mar 03 16:00:56 <AtomicSpark> You did it again.
- Mar 03 16:01:03 <AtomicSpark> Queering me without permission.
- Mar 03 16:01:22 * henux (henux@unaffiliated/henux) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
- Mar 03 16:01:23 <baconbacon123> umm u need permission sorry bro didnt know
- Mar 03 16:01:24 <dwon> AtomicSpark: like, he made you homosexual?
- Mar 03 16:01:34 * Fuchs puts Queering on his new found word list and recommends either /ignore or /umode +g
- Mar 03 16:01:47 * meerkats has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
- Mar 03 16:01:58 <henux> people keep telling me this channel is hostile and you get banned a lot, is this true?
- Mar 03 16:02:09 <AtomicSpark> Nop.
- Mar 03 16:02:10 <baconbacon123> yes it is
- Mar 03 16:02:16 <graft> i don't get banned a lot
- Mar 03 16:02:18 <AtomicSpark> We're all nice people.
- Mar 03 16:02:21 <ryaxnb> i love ponies so much i am in a bus
- Mar 03 16:02:27 <baconbacon123> yeah right atomicspark
- henux, some people can do as they please and nothing happens (you just missed witnessing a perfectly good example from AtomicSpark just before you joined), and yet others can get into hot water just for calling the ops to deal with a troll.
- In conclusion back to Feb 22: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/22/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
- [14:55] <ikonia> tsimpson: so as you see it, it's just one of a multitude of Ubuntu names offtopic channels that has no criteria for usage beyond the ubuntu code of conduct ?
- [14:55] <ikonia> "named"
- [14:55] <h00k> LjL: I donno what that means :(
- [14:55] <bazhang> moo
- [14:55] <tsimpson> ikonia: pretty much, exactly yes
- [14:55] <ikonia> ok,
- [14:55] <tsimpson> it's just there for whatever, unlike the other channels which have a specific purpose
- [14:56] <ikonia> so why don't we point people to defocus ?
- [14:56] <ikonia> (just for example - maybe not the best one I grant you ) ?
- [14:56] <tsimpson> because #defocus is neither safe or friendly, for a start
- [14:56] <ikonia> ok #offtopic (again just an example, but you get the idea)
- [14:57] <tsimpson> the channel still has the spirit of Ubuntu, it's just not a single-purpose channel
- [14:57] <ikonia> tsimpson: so would it be fair to summerise to say the COC is the key thing there
- [14:57] <tsimpson> we still keep the CoC at the heart of it, and the guidelines to ensure it's safe and friendly for everyone
- [14:57] <bazhang> yoiks huge ubottu flood
- [14:57] <h00k> sweet.
- [14:57] <tsimpson> in Ubuntu in general, the CoC is at the heart of it all
- [14:58] <tsimpson> the IRC Guidelines is really just an IRC-specific extension to the CoC
- [14:58] <bazhang> CVE-2012-0830.html
- [14:58] <ubottu> The php_register_variable_ex function in php_variables.c in PHP 5.3.9 allows remote attackers to execute arbitrary code via a request containing a large number of variables, related to improper handling of array variables. NOTE: this vulnerability exists because of an incorrect fix for CVE-2011-4885. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2012-0830)
- [14:58] <ikonia> would it be fair to maybe get an agreed definition of the channels use then before deciding how to improve it ?
- [14:58] <ikonia> as the scroll in here suggests many people have different views of what it is and what it was and what it should be
- [14:58] * h00k blinks
- [14:58] <tsimpson> ikonia: that's my point though, it doesn't have _a_ use
- [14:59] <tsimpson> it's just for general talk/chat
- [14:59] <LjL> tbh ikonia, i think you're the only one really disagreeing about its use :P
- [14:59] <h00k> it has a uses.
- [14:59] <ikonia> LjL: fair enough, I was actually under the impression as AlanBell said that it was supposed to be for the community, not be it's own community
- [14:59] <tsimpson> h00k: I meant, doesn't have only one use, not that it's useless ;)
- [14:59] <ikonia> I'd just not heard that for a while, so thought it worth asking
- tsimpson, I have just illustrated that it's not the safe place you proclaim it to be. The guidelines (rules, CoC, ethics, call them what you wish, it all boils down to the same thing - respect for others) apply to some people and not to others and those charged with the application thereof are some of the worst offenders. I must remind you that the above examples were taken from logs after the fact during a period (one would think) everyone is aware of the problem and on their best behavior. How then can anyone expect the problem to be solved by those who perpetuate it?
- I have to be honest with you and let you know that reading through all nine pages of response to my original paste on Feb 22 I couldn't tell if I was more angry at you or embarassed for you:
- [1[14:55] <tsimpson> it's just there for whatever, unlike the other channels which have a specific purpose
- You need to ask yourself, "Does it have an Ubuntu related purpose?" Something worthy of having the "#ubuntu" part attached. If it doesn't change the name to #robinetd and please change the topic too.
- If it does have an Ubuntu related purpose then state it!
- [14:59] <tsimpson> it's just for general talk/chat
- That just doesn't cut it. I don't know if you're aware of the fact that Ubuntu is in the process of unveiling some pretty innovative stuff for TV and smartphones (and who knows what else?). People all over the world who have never had anything to do with ubuntu, linux or unix in their lives before are heading over to IRC to find out what they can about this new and exciting development. When they get to #ubuntu they are advised to use #ubuntu-offtopic (these are not the only people sent to #ubuntu-offtopic as you well know). If you think it's cool for them to be trolled and/or/then freaked out by conversation about cannibalism and guns, then, as far as Ubuntu is concerned, it doesn't have a use (or purpose) and it definitely is useless (to Ubuntu). I'm beginning to think that robinetd is just a symptom of the problem; the real problem sits on the IRCC and is afraid to set a defined policy in the interests of Ubuntu. Repeat - in the interests of Ubuntu!
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