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  7.   Channel ID:      -32847914
  8.   Channel Name:    Group Chat (Boradokar, Micatra, Tarkinius)
  9.   Listener:        Tore Mataan
  10.   Session started: 2012.08.14 19:34:02
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  13. [ 2012.08.14 19:34:17 ] Tarkinius > i will probably send you directly to a department head the first time to see if they can resolve the issue at their level, but im always willing to listen :)
  14. [ 2012.08.14 19:34:20 ] Haldaris Maller > Yo!
  15. [ 2012.08.14 19:34:24 ] NUTTUN > hello
  16. [ 2012.08.14 19:34:32 ] Tarkinius > hola
  17. [ 2012.08.14 19:34:42 ] Micatra > But as far as subcap FCs go, they need to run at least 1-2 fleets a month or so. And when they do they need to amke it known. I cant be online all the time to see who is doing things, so I might miss people if they dont speak up
  18. [ 2012.08.14 19:34:49 ] Micatra > make*
  19. [ 2012.08.14 19:35:00 ] Tarkinius > which is why we have AARs :D
  20. [ 2012.08.14 19:35:11 ] Tarkinius > (plus FCs get paid if they do the AARs, bonus!)
  21. [ 2012.08.14 19:35:35 ] Boradokar > ok :)
  22. [ 2012.08.14 19:35:45 ] Tore Mataan > hi
  23. [ 2012.08.14 19:36:17 ] Tarkinius > heyas
  24. [ 2012.08.14 19:36:50 ] Haldaris Maller > Could we speak live :)?
  25. [ 2012.08.14 19:37:20 ] Tore Mataan > give them sec they are finishing pvp against ewoks
  26. [ 2012.08.14 19:37:24 ] Haldaris Maller > I know someone have problem with speaking and they prefer to write as it easier for them but ...voice also helps :)
  27. [ 2012.08.14 19:37:34 ] Haldaris Maller > ahh i forget they in fleet ok
  28. [ 2012.08.14 19:37:58 ] Micatra > I am in cap fleet so I cant be on comms
  29. [ 2012.08.14 19:38:20 ] Boradokar > ah ok
  30. [ 2012.08.14 19:39:31 ] Boradokar > ok 1st point killer dont like us :P
  31. [ 2012.08.14 19:40:11 ] Tarkinius > i cant be on voice, my laptop with ts3 on it is currently under my gf who is asleep.  I am not going to try to steal it back :)
  32. [ 2012.08.14 19:40:39 ] Tore Mataan > ok ok but tell us what with him we had problem sice he get an ally position
  33. [ 2012.08.14 19:41:00 ] NUTTUN > every argumentation with him ends with power play like losing FC position
  34. [ 2012.08.14 19:41:06 ] Tore Mataan > like revoking fc,insulting pur players
  35. [ 2012.08.14 19:41:08 ] Tore Mataan > etc
  36. [ 2012.08.14 19:41:18 ] Tore Mataan > our*
  37. [ 2012.08.14 19:41:31 ] Tarkinius > do you have logs of him insulting players you can send micatra?
  38. [ 2012.08.14 19:41:50 ] Tore Mataan > y ill send u tommorow
  39. [ 2012.08.14 19:42:03 ] Tarkinius > whether or not he agrees with someone, leadership in FCON should still treat members with respect, and if he wasnt then micatra needs to know about it so micatra can work the issue :)
  40. [ 2012.08.14 19:43:06 ] Tore Mataan > yes i spoke with u and mica as u remmember but simplymicatra dont have much time now
  41. [ 2012.08.14 19:43:42 ] Tore Mataan > and we cant blame him coz RL is more importatnt then a game
  42. [ 2012.08.14 19:44:07 ] Tore Mataan > thats why we are speaking now
  43. [ 2012.08.14 19:44:13 ] Tore Mataan > to solve our problems
  44. [ 2012.08.14 19:44:25 ] NUTTUN > it was to be solved in last FC meeting, but our CEO wasn't invited
  45. [ 2012.08.14 19:45:02 ] Micatra > If he is being rude and insulting your members Ill talk to him about that, he should treat you guys with respect
  46. [ 2012.08.14 19:45:18 ] Micatra > So if you have logs that would really help. If you dont then Ill talk to him regardless
  47. [ 2012.08.14 19:45:49 ] NUTTUN > for logs we have to w8 for our mate who has it
  48. [ 2012.08.14 19:45:59 ] Boradokar > Tore Mataan have logs but in other PC he mail you tommorow
  49. [ 2012.08.14 19:46:13 ] Micatra > awesome, thanks guys
  50. [ 2012.08.14 19:46:23 ] Boradokar > np :)
  51. [ 2012.08.14 19:46:36 ] Micatra > And I am sorry for the grief he has caused you and your corp mates
  52. [ 2012.08.14 19:46:54 ] Micatra > On behalf of the FC department I apologize for that
  53. [ 2012.08.14 19:46:55 ] Haldaris Maller > Not need to be respected , not insulting would be completly enough ;]. Personally i dont care i can just ignore that :) But when our members are insulted they vcome to us why we allow that and it create problems for us
  54. [ 2012.08.14 19:47:22 ] Micatra > Well, your corp is one of the best in FCON, so I think respect is in order :)
  55. [ 2012.08.14 19:47:30 ] Haldaris Maller > but its secondary topic. Main is remove our FCs
  56. [ 2012.08.14 19:48:25 ] NUTTUN > and we heard about some FCs in training, where we can find more information about that?
  57. [ 2012.08.14 19:48:26 ] Micatra > I believe that a lot of the FCs you had were removed because they had not posted an AAR in a long time, so it looked like they didnt run any fleets. I am not sure if that was the case or not, and if they actually did run fleets then they were wrongfully
  58. [ 2012.08.14 19:48:28 ] Micatra > removed
  59. [ 2012.08.14 19:48:52 ] Micatra > I need FCs to write a short AAR when they do a fleet so that I know that they are active
  60. [ 2012.08.14 19:48:57 ] NUTTUN > Rash'kan posted it every time
  61. [ 2012.08.14 19:49:04 ] Tore Mataan > OK next time give u rights to do that mb hmmm
  62. [ 2012.08.14 19:49:06 ] NUTTUN > and he lost position because of dissagreement
  63. [ 2012.08.14 19:49:17 ] NUTTUN > disagreement*
  64. [ 2012.08.14 19:49:19 ] Micatra > If that is true then that was wrongly handled
  65. [ 2012.08.14 19:50:04 ] NUTTUN > he is one of out best fc
  66. [ 2012.08.14 19:50:06 ] Micatra > AARs should be posted on the FC mailing list. The reason we dont give people forum access is cause that role also gives the right to approve/deny SRP requests, and we have had issues in the past giving that role to people
  67. [ 2012.08.14 19:50:18 ] NUTTUN > and now he doesnt want to FC FCON fleets
  68. [ 2012.08.14 19:50:24 ] Micatra > But I can probably fix that as well if you promise not to touch the SRP
  69. [ 2012.08.14 19:50:47 ] Tore Mataan > y and if ull check ML ull find some arr few but few
  70. [ 2012.08.14 19:51:26 ] Micatra > Alright
  71. [ 2012.08.14 19:51:30 ] Tore Mataan > and ...
  72. [ 2012.08.14 19:51:37 ] Tore Mataan > u revoke our fcs
  73. [ 2012.08.14 19:51:56 ] Tore Mataan > but there is alot and they doing nothing
  74. [ 2012.08.14 19:52:26 ] Tore Mataan > but i didint niotice that any of them is rovoked now
  75. [ 2012.08.14 19:52:35 ] Tore Mataan > only cbc fcs
  76. [ 2012.08.14 19:52:47 ] Tore Mataan > so somthing isnt right here
  77. [ 2012.08.14 19:53:01 ] Micatra > It wasnt just CBC FCs, but you are right that there are a bunch more that should be purged
  78. [ 2012.08.14 19:53:02 ] Haldaris Maller > Another thing (its nothing personal) but simply Killer isnt very good FC . When micatra , Zarks make fleets people gladly join. When they know that Killer is leading one they say " i would rather to mine veldspar than join that fleet... " :P
  79. [ 2012.08.14 19:53:47 ] Haldaris Maller > I think its not only CBC problem but general... I see how long it takes him to gather fleet
  80. [ 2012.08.14 19:53:56 ] Micatra > The reason Killer is Vice-Head isnt cause he is a good FC, cause I agree with you that he is mediocre at best. The reason he is vice-head is cause he is good at doing administrative stuff
  81. [ 2012.08.14 19:54:10 ] NUTTUN > back to the question we heard about some FCs in training, where we can find more information about that?
  82. [ 2012.08.14 19:54:26 ] Tore Mataan > ok about your answer
  83. [ 2012.08.14 19:54:41 ] Haldaris Maller > and even after a long time his fleet are rather very small ... i think ;]
  84. [ 2012.08.14 19:54:45 ] Tore Mataan > thnik why every one is heading to you with problems not to killer
  85. [ 2012.08.14 19:54:50 ] Tore Mataan > think*
  86. [ 2012.08.14 19:55:00 ] Micatra > So far there hasnt been any real orgaized trainings, but if you have people that would like to learn how to FC, I can put them in the FC chat and they should be able to ask the other FCs for advice
  87. [ 2012.08.14 19:56:32 ] Micatra > Yeah, I am not saying that TheKiller is the best person ever, but atm I dont have anyone else that is able to put as much time in as he is
  88. [ 2012.08.14 19:56:39 ] NUTTUN > im looking for mail about that
  89. [ 2012.08.14 19:56:41 ] NUTTUN > gimme sec
  90. [ 2012.08.14 19:56:44 ] Boradokar > Kill: Haari Seldon (Capsule)
  91. [ 2012.08.14 19:57:24 ] Tore Mataan > mhm ok so what about some fc for cbc?
  92. [ 2012.08.14 19:58:14 ] Tore Mataan > btw about him as i write u he shouldnt be a vice head fc he can help u as officer
  93. [ 2012.08.14 19:58:16 ] Micatra > If you have someone that you would like me to put in the FC channel then Ill happily do that
  94. [ 2012.08.14 19:58:18 ] Tore Mataan > or somthing
  95. [ 2012.08.14 19:58:37 ] Tore Mataan > anyway all are conving u with problems
  96. [ 2012.08.14 19:58:42 ] Micatra > The Vice-Head isnt supposed to be some master Fc thing, it is an administrative role
  97. [ 2012.08.14 19:58:59 ] Tore Mataan > ok
  98. [ 2012.08.14 19:59:06 ] Tore Mataan > we can do other thing
  99. [ 2012.08.14 20:00:23 ] Tore Mataan > if there will be any problem with cbc we wanna u or on your position new head fc to came with this to us
  100. [ 2012.08.14 20:00:32 ] Tore Mataan > not kiler
  101. [ 2012.08.14 20:00:44 ] Tore Mataan > hope that isnt a big problem
  102. [ 2012.08.14 20:01:02 ] Tore Mataan > coz he is doing every thing what he want
  103. [ 2012.08.14 20:01:09 ] Tore Mataan > and this isnt right
  104. [ 2012.08.14 20:02:09 ] Micatra > Alright, if you feel more comfortable with me dealing with the CBC FCs and Killer not touching them then I am perfectly fine with that if it is preferable to you mate
  105. [ 2012.08.14 20:03:00 ] Tore Mataan > that will be gr8 coz i know that we can speak like ppls not hearing bumbling form kid sry but this is my opinion
  106. [ 2012.08.14 20:03:40 ] Micatra > Np mate, I understand
  107. [ 2012.08.14 20:03:47 ] NUTTUN > I have a question..  I lost today 2x ceptor in home def I am eligible for srp?
  108. [ 2012.08.14 20:04:04 ] Tore Mataan > at the end i wanna ask about 2 fcs for us..
  109. [ 2012.08.14 20:04:05 ] Micatra > yes you are
  110. [ 2012.08.14 20:04:17 ] NUTTUN > because that wsnt in srp rules
  111. [ 2012.08.14 20:04:19 ] NUTTUN > ok thx
  112. [ 2012.08.14 20:05:23 ] Tore Mataan > [20:04:04] Tore Mataan > at the end i wanna ask about 2 fcs for us..
  113. [ 2012.08.14 20:05:30 ] Micatra > alright sure
  114. [ 2012.08.14 20:06:36 ] Micatra > Which guys would you like me to add?
  115. [ 2012.08.14 20:07:00 ] Tore Mataan > Rash'kan  Tore Mataan
  116. [ 2012.08.14 20:07:32 ] Micatra > I am gonna fix ML access, sec
  117. [ 2012.08.14 20:08:10 ] Micatra > You should have access to "FCON FCS" mailing list as well now
  118. [ 2012.08.14 20:08:19 ] Micatra > Gonna add Boradokar as cap FC as well, sec
  119. [ 2012.08.14 20:08:25 ] NUTTUN > Do fcon is planning some fleet participation tool?
  120. [ 2012.08.14 20:08:34 ] Micatra > We are working on that
  121. [ 2012.08.14 20:08:46 ] Boradokar > thnx
  122. [ 2012.08.14 20:09:01 ] Micatra > You can join the ML as well now Boradokar
  123. [ 2012.08.14 20:09:12 ] Micatra > gonna add you to alliance bulletins as well
  124. [ 2012.08.14 20:09:45 ] Micatra > There
  125. [ 2012.08.14 20:10:15 ] NUTTUN > I am kind of beginner corp FC. If someone lost ship in my fleet is he eligible for srp too?
  126. [ 2012.08.14 20:10:33 ] Boradokar > thnx
  127. [ 2012.08.14 20:11:31 ] Micatra > Not unless you are on the alliance list Nuttun. If you want me to add you as a trainee FC, then I can do that
  128. [ 2012.08.14 20:12:25 ] Tore Mataan > ok srp thema we will move as last now there is any date for tools like jubber?
  129. [ 2012.08.14 20:12:33 ] Tore Mataan > this will be useful
  130. [ 2012.08.14 20:12:45 ] NUTTUN > no thx, first i'll take some training. I am not sure of my skills
  131. [ 2012.08.14 20:13:09 ] Tore Mataan > any progress with wh idea?
  132. [ 2012.08.14 20:14:02 ] Tore Mataan > somthing about armor long temr idea?
  133. [ 2012.08.14 20:14:11 ] Micatra > I havent gotten a response from the indy team yet, they have been on Vacation. Ill poke them again for you
  134. [ 2012.08.14 20:14:32 ] Tore Mataan > that would be gr8
  135. [ 2012.08.14 20:14:51 ] Micatra > And as far as armor goes, we are on hold for a few weeks until tech prices stabilize, then we can see if we can support more doctrines
  136. [ 2012.08.14 20:15:30 ] Tore Mataan > since we havent any on info form fcs ml,channel about doctrines
  137. [ 2012.08.14 20:15:40 ] Tore Mataan > did u saw goons srp program
  138. [ 2012.08.14 20:15:41 ] Tore Mataan > ?
  139. [ 2012.08.14 20:16:51 ] Micatra > I did. I have been talking to Inm, the head SRP guy about this, and frankly he is super negative to everything I am proposing, so getting anything changed atm is really hard
  140. [ 2012.08.14 20:17:14 ] NUTTUN > Is it possible to rebroadcast info from FightClub? I would like to use my super, but i had to leave FightClub, because I cant be in super all the time
  141. [ 2012.08.14 20:17:21 ] Micatra > And then the financial team comes screaming "you cost us too much ISK"
  142. [ 2012.08.14 20:17:40 ] Boradokar > lol hehe
  143. [ 2012.08.14 20:17:51 ] Micatra > If you got removed, then you can just go ahead and reapply to the group mate
  144. [ 2012.08.14 20:18:01 ] Tore Mataan > hmmm strange
  145. [ 2012.08.14 20:18:05 ] NUTTUN > i know
  146. [ 2012.08.14 20:18:07 ] Micatra > Same way as before except that you dont need to re-submit API
  147. [ 2012.08.14 20:18:18 ] NUTTUN > but to stay there i need to be in super all the time
  148. [ 2012.08.14 20:18:38 ] NUTTUN > and im using this char for other things
  149. [ 2012.08.14 20:18:44 ] NUTTUN > and nyx is parked
  150. [ 2012.08.14 20:19:00 ] NUTTUN > they dont allow that now
  151. [ 2012.08.14 20:19:06 ] Micatra > Yeah, I know. That is a really stupid rule, but it is a new Goon policy. If you want to be able to get pings anyway then you need to see if you can get the info from a friend. I would forward you the info, but I dont have access to FightClub, so I cant
  152. [ 2012.08.14 20:19:18 ] Tore Mataan > coz there is alot of pluses from this is not srp all cost of ships is supporting only and its giving free heand with doctine
  153. [ 2012.08.14 20:19:29 ] Micatra > I will get my Nyx in 2 days, then I can forward you what info I can find
  154. [ 2012.08.14 20:19:58 ] NUTTUN > u dont have to directly to me, but to cap channel would be cool
  155. [ 2012.08.14 20:20:12 ] Boradokar > btw any info about goons jabber? cos i cannot log today :/
  156. [ 2012.08.14 20:20:19 ] Micatra > I will start doing that as soon as I get my Nyx and can join FightClub so I can see the pings
  157. [ 2012.08.14 20:20:35 ] NUTTUN > ok thx very much
  158. [ 2012.08.14 20:21:02 ] Micatra > I havent seen any problems with the Jabber posted. However we have a Jabber support channel called "FCON Jabber Help". They might be able to help you sir
  159. [ 2012.08.14 20:21:16 ] Tore Mataan > ok now me again
  160. [ 2012.08.14 20:21:18 ] Tore Mataan > [20:19:18] Tore Mataan > coz there is alot of pluses from this is not srp all cost of ships is supporting only and its giving free heand with doctine
  161. [ 2012.08.14 20:21:28 ] Tore Mataan > this is about srp and doctrines
  162. [ 2012.08.14 20:22:49 ] Micatra > I will see what I can do.
  163. [ 2012.08.14 20:23:17 ] Micatra > Basically people can do armor roams if they want to, it will be SRPed
  164. [ 2012.08.14 20:23:22 ] Tore Mataan > ok last question i guess
  165. [ 2012.08.14 20:23:34 ] Micatra > So if you would like to do an armor roam, you can send out a mail to see if people are interested
  166. [ 2012.08.14 20:23:35 ] Tore Mataan > mhm
  167. [ 2012.08.14 20:23:43 ] Tore Mataan > not this
  168. [ 2012.08.14 20:23:57 ] Tore Mataan > look for example
  169. [ 2012.08.14 20:24:06 ] Tore Mataan > i wanna run skirmish roams
  170. [ 2012.08.14 20:24:30 ] Tore Mataan > to do this will be helpful wh channel
  171. [ 2012.08.14 20:24:37 ] Tore Mataan > ML or spread sheet
  172. [ 2012.08.14 20:24:51 ] Tore Mataan > channel is not enought probably
  173. [ 2012.08.14 20:25:11 ] Micatra > You are free to create a mailing list for it if you want to mate, and send an alliance mail about it
  174. [ 2012.08.14 20:25:17 ] Micatra > Whatever you feel you need to do your job
  175. [ 2012.08.14 20:25:52 ] Tore Mataan > mhm
  176. [ 2012.08.14 20:26:43 ] Tore Mataan > ok but u saw my ML with doctrines last ally mail about srp discredit almost all ships form my doctrines
  177. [ 2012.08.14 20:27:47 ] Tore Mataan > and u know first question of half ppl joining fleet is " is this fleet is srpd"
  178. [ 2012.08.14 20:28:10 ] Micatra > I will talk to Inm again and make sure they SRP your fits
  179. [ 2012.08.14 20:28:31 ] Tore Mataan > atlast supporting them at some point
  180. [ 2012.08.14 20:28:36 ] Micatra > Yeah
  181. [ 2012.08.14 20:28:57 ] Tore Mataan > as i wirte to u before i think goons have good srp system
  182. [ 2012.08.14 20:29:25 ] Tore Mataan > its supporting not giving full aomunt of money for ship
  183. [ 2012.08.14 20:29:29 ] Micatra > Yeah I do as well, which is why I suggested we should have the same system. The response I got then was "No fucking way, get out" from the SRP team
  184. [ 2012.08.14 20:29:34 ] NUTTUN > I have to go. Thank you for your help and support. o/
  185. [ 2012.08.14 20:29:38 ] Micatra > o/
  186. [ 2012.08.14 20:29:44 ] Tore Mataan > heh
  187. [ 2012.08.14 20:29:52 ] Tore Mataan > thats why tark should be here
  188. [ 2012.08.14 20:29:55 ] Tore Mataan > ehhhh
  189. [ 2012.08.14 20:30:02 ] Micatra > Yeah, he logged for God knows what reason
  190. [ 2012.08.14 20:30:18 ] Boradokar > Micatra im on 1 month trial now yes?
  191. [ 2012.08.14 20:31:30 ] Micatra > Not really, doesnt work that way for cap FCs
  192. [ 2012.08.14 20:31:34 ] Micatra > You are a full cap FC
  193. [ 2012.08.14 20:31:58 ] Tore Mataan > ok can we get access on forum and i wanna ask if we can approve our fleets?
  194. [ 2012.08.14 20:32:00 ] Boradokar > ok thnx :)
  195. [ 2012.08.14 20:32:19 ] Boradokar > i was thinking about what i need to do to pass test :P
  196. [ 2012.08.14 20:32:24 ] Micatra > It is better if you let Sars do SRP, but you can do your own fleets if you want to
  197. [ 2012.08.14 20:32:26 ] Tore Mataan > or we should leave this to srp team?
  198. [ 2012.08.14 20:32:34 ] Micatra > I can see if I can get you FC roles, gimme a sec
  199. [ 2012.08.14 20:32:44 ] Micatra > on forums I mean
  200. [ 2012.08.14 20:32:50 ] Tore Mataan > y i know
  201. [ 2012.08.14 20:33:09 ] Micatra > Not completely sure how to give someone roles, so will need a few min to try to figure it out
  202. [ 2012.08.14 20:33:11 ] Boradokar > kk but i dont want to give SRP i think other ppl should decide
  203. [ 2012.08.14 20:33:27 ] Boradokar > ps i dont want to lose caps :P
  204. [ 2012.08.14 20:33:30 ] Micatra > Fourms seem to be down for me
  205. [ 2012.08.14 20:33:35 ] Boradokar > in my fleet hehe
  206. [ 2012.08.14 20:33:43 ] Micatra > I will get you guys FC roles on forums as soon as it is up again
  207. [ 2012.08.14 20:33:53 ] Boradokar > ok np
  208. [ 2012.08.14 20:34:34 ] Tore Mataan > ok and about approving i think only about my fleets but i can also leave it for sars
  209. [ 2012.08.14 20:35:50 ] Haldaris Maller > its a good thing when FC doesent SRP own fleet generally imho
  210. [ 2012.08.14 20:36:09 ] Micatra > You can do your own fleets mate
  211. [ 2012.08.14 20:36:18 ] Tore Mataan > ok
  212. [ 2012.08.14 20:36:20 ] Micatra > But yeah, Haldaris has a point
  213. [ 2012.08.14 20:36:36 ] Haldaris Maller > good way *
  214. [ 2012.08.14 20:36:41 ] Micatra > it is up to you really, just try to leave the strat op SRP to Sars please
  215. [ 2012.08.14 20:37:24 ] Tore Mataan > ok
  216. [ 2012.08.14 20:38:48 ] Boradokar > ok time for me thnx for help and cya on battlefild :)
  217. [ 2012.08.14 20:39:09 ] Tore Mataan > ok i guess its all for know but i have still few thing to solve but also i know thats take time so ill just covo u form time ti time to remind u
  218. [ 2012.08.14 20:39:46 ] Tore Mataan > i guess its all for now thx for meeting
  219. [ 2012.08.14 20:40:04 ] Haldaris Maller > Hope that was a "productive" convo im going to wach porno now
  220. [ 2012.08.14 20:40:08 ] Tore Mataan > ble i double myself ;p
  221. [ 2012.08.14 20:40:09 ] Haldaris Maller > o7
  222. [ 2012.08.14 20:40:27 ] Tore Mataan > anyway cya
  223. [ 2012.08.14 20:42:17 ] Micatra > o/
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