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- Channel ID: -32847914
- Channel Name: Group Chat (Boradokar, Micatra, Tarkinius)
- Listener: Tore Mataan
- Session started: 2012.08.14 19:34:02
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- [ 2012.08.14 19:34:17 ] Tarkinius > i will probably send you directly to a department head the first time to see if they can resolve the issue at their level, but im always willing to listen :)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:34:20 ] Haldaris Maller > Yo!
- [ 2012.08.14 19:34:24 ] NUTTUN > hello
- [ 2012.08.14 19:34:32 ] Tarkinius > hola
- [ 2012.08.14 19:34:42 ] Micatra > But as far as subcap FCs go, they need to run at least 1-2 fleets a month or so. And when they do they need to amke it known. I cant be online all the time to see who is doing things, so I might miss people if they dont speak up
- [ 2012.08.14 19:34:49 ] Micatra > make*
- [ 2012.08.14 19:35:00 ] Tarkinius > which is why we have AARs :D
- [ 2012.08.14 19:35:11 ] Tarkinius > (plus FCs get paid if they do the AARs, bonus!)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:35:35 ] Boradokar > ok :)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:35:45 ] Tore Mataan > hi
- [ 2012.08.14 19:36:17 ] Tarkinius > heyas
- [ 2012.08.14 19:36:50 ] Haldaris Maller > Could we speak live :)?
- [ 2012.08.14 19:37:20 ] Tore Mataan > give them sec they are finishing pvp against ewoks
- [ 2012.08.14 19:37:24 ] Haldaris Maller > I know someone have problem with speaking and they prefer to write as it easier for them but ...voice also helps :)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:37:34 ] Haldaris Maller > ahh i forget they in fleet ok
- [ 2012.08.14 19:37:58 ] Micatra > I am in cap fleet so I cant be on comms
- [ 2012.08.14 19:38:20 ] Boradokar > ah ok
- [ 2012.08.14 19:39:31 ] Boradokar > ok 1st point killer dont like us :P
- [ 2012.08.14 19:40:11 ] Tarkinius > i cant be on voice, my laptop with ts3 on it is currently under my gf who is asleep. I am not going to try to steal it back :)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:40:39 ] Tore Mataan > ok ok but tell us what with him we had problem sice he get an ally position
- [ 2012.08.14 19:41:00 ] NUTTUN > every argumentation with him ends with power play like losing FC position
- [ 2012.08.14 19:41:06 ] Tore Mataan > like revoking fc,insulting pur players
- [ 2012.08.14 19:41:08 ] Tore Mataan > etc
- [ 2012.08.14 19:41:18 ] Tore Mataan > our*
- [ 2012.08.14 19:41:31 ] Tarkinius > do you have logs of him insulting players you can send micatra?
- [ 2012.08.14 19:41:50 ] Tore Mataan > y ill send u tommorow
- [ 2012.08.14 19:42:03 ] Tarkinius > whether or not he agrees with someone, leadership in FCON should still treat members with respect, and if he wasnt then micatra needs to know about it so micatra can work the issue :)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:43:06 ] Tore Mataan > yes i spoke with u and mica as u remmember but simplymicatra dont have much time now
- [ 2012.08.14 19:43:42 ] Tore Mataan > and we cant blame him coz RL is more importatnt then a game
- [ 2012.08.14 19:44:07 ] Tore Mataan > thats why we are speaking now
- [ 2012.08.14 19:44:13 ] Tore Mataan > to solve our problems
- [ 2012.08.14 19:44:25 ] NUTTUN > it was to be solved in last FC meeting, but our CEO wasn't invited
- [ 2012.08.14 19:45:02 ] Micatra > If he is being rude and insulting your members Ill talk to him about that, he should treat you guys with respect
- [ 2012.08.14 19:45:18 ] Micatra > So if you have logs that would really help. If you dont then Ill talk to him regardless
- [ 2012.08.14 19:45:49 ] NUTTUN > for logs we have to w8 for our mate who has it
- [ 2012.08.14 19:45:59 ] Boradokar > Tore Mataan have logs but in other PC he mail you tommorow
- [ 2012.08.14 19:46:13 ] Micatra > awesome, thanks guys
- [ 2012.08.14 19:46:23 ] Boradokar > np :)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:46:36 ] Micatra > And I am sorry for the grief he has caused you and your corp mates
- [ 2012.08.14 19:46:54 ] Micatra > On behalf of the FC department I apologize for that
- [ 2012.08.14 19:46:55 ] Haldaris Maller > Not need to be respected , not insulting would be completly enough ;]. Personally i dont care i can just ignore that :) But when our members are insulted they vcome to us why we allow that and it create problems for us
- [ 2012.08.14 19:47:22 ] Micatra > Well, your corp is one of the best in FCON, so I think respect is in order :)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:47:30 ] Haldaris Maller > but its secondary topic. Main is remove our FCs
- [ 2012.08.14 19:48:25 ] NUTTUN > and we heard about some FCs in training, where we can find more information about that?
- [ 2012.08.14 19:48:26 ] Micatra > I believe that a lot of the FCs you had were removed because they had not posted an AAR in a long time, so it looked like they didnt run any fleets. I am not sure if that was the case or not, and if they actually did run fleets then they were wrongfully
- [ 2012.08.14 19:48:28 ] Micatra > removed
- [ 2012.08.14 19:48:52 ] Micatra > I need FCs to write a short AAR when they do a fleet so that I know that they are active
- [ 2012.08.14 19:48:57 ] NUTTUN > Rash'kan posted it every time
- [ 2012.08.14 19:49:04 ] Tore Mataan > OK next time give u rights to do that mb hmmm
- [ 2012.08.14 19:49:06 ] NUTTUN > and he lost position because of dissagreement
- [ 2012.08.14 19:49:17 ] NUTTUN > disagreement*
- [ 2012.08.14 19:49:19 ] Micatra > If that is true then that was wrongly handled
- [ 2012.08.14 19:50:04 ] NUTTUN > he is one of out best fc
- [ 2012.08.14 19:50:06 ] Micatra > AARs should be posted on the FC mailing list. The reason we dont give people forum access is cause that role also gives the right to approve/deny SRP requests, and we have had issues in the past giving that role to people
- [ 2012.08.14 19:50:18 ] NUTTUN > and now he doesnt want to FC FCON fleets
- [ 2012.08.14 19:50:24 ] Micatra > But I can probably fix that as well if you promise not to touch the SRP
- [ 2012.08.14 19:50:47 ] Tore Mataan > y and if ull check ML ull find some arr few but few
- [ 2012.08.14 19:51:26 ] Micatra > Alright
- [ 2012.08.14 19:51:30 ] Tore Mataan > and ...
- [ 2012.08.14 19:51:37 ] Tore Mataan > u revoke our fcs
- [ 2012.08.14 19:51:56 ] Tore Mataan > but there is alot and they doing nothing
- [ 2012.08.14 19:52:26 ] Tore Mataan > but i didint niotice that any of them is rovoked now
- [ 2012.08.14 19:52:35 ] Tore Mataan > only cbc fcs
- [ 2012.08.14 19:52:47 ] Tore Mataan > so somthing isnt right here
- [ 2012.08.14 19:53:01 ] Micatra > It wasnt just CBC FCs, but you are right that there are a bunch more that should be purged
- [ 2012.08.14 19:53:02 ] Haldaris Maller > Another thing (its nothing personal) but simply Killer isnt very good FC . When micatra , Zarks make fleets people gladly join. When they know that Killer is leading one they say " i would rather to mine veldspar than join that fleet... " :P
- [ 2012.08.14 19:53:47 ] Haldaris Maller > I think its not only CBC problem but general... I see how long it takes him to gather fleet
- [ 2012.08.14 19:53:56 ] Micatra > The reason Killer is Vice-Head isnt cause he is a good FC, cause I agree with you that he is mediocre at best. The reason he is vice-head is cause he is good at doing administrative stuff
- [ 2012.08.14 19:54:10 ] NUTTUN > back to the question we heard about some FCs in training, where we can find more information about that?
- [ 2012.08.14 19:54:26 ] Tore Mataan > ok about your answer
- [ 2012.08.14 19:54:41 ] Haldaris Maller > and even after a long time his fleet are rather very small ... i think ;]
- [ 2012.08.14 19:54:45 ] Tore Mataan > thnik why every one is heading to you with problems not to killer
- [ 2012.08.14 19:54:50 ] Tore Mataan > think*
- [ 2012.08.14 19:55:00 ] Micatra > So far there hasnt been any real orgaized trainings, but if you have people that would like to learn how to FC, I can put them in the FC chat and they should be able to ask the other FCs for advice
- [ 2012.08.14 19:56:32 ] Micatra > Yeah, I am not saying that TheKiller is the best person ever, but atm I dont have anyone else that is able to put as much time in as he is
- [ 2012.08.14 19:56:39 ] NUTTUN > im looking for mail about that
- [ 2012.08.14 19:56:41 ] NUTTUN > gimme sec
- [ 2012.08.14 19:56:44 ] Boradokar > Kill: Haari Seldon (Capsule)
- [ 2012.08.14 19:57:24 ] Tore Mataan > mhm ok so what about some fc for cbc?
- [ 2012.08.14 19:58:14 ] Tore Mataan > btw about him as i write u he shouldnt be a vice head fc he can help u as officer
- [ 2012.08.14 19:58:16 ] Micatra > If you have someone that you would like me to put in the FC channel then Ill happily do that
- [ 2012.08.14 19:58:18 ] Tore Mataan > or somthing
- [ 2012.08.14 19:58:37 ] Tore Mataan > anyway all are conving u with problems
- [ 2012.08.14 19:58:42 ] Micatra > The Vice-Head isnt supposed to be some master Fc thing, it is an administrative role
- [ 2012.08.14 19:58:59 ] Tore Mataan > ok
- [ 2012.08.14 19:59:06 ] Tore Mataan > we can do other thing
- [ 2012.08.14 20:00:23 ] Tore Mataan > if there will be any problem with cbc we wanna u or on your position new head fc to came with this to us
- [ 2012.08.14 20:00:32 ] Tore Mataan > not kiler
- [ 2012.08.14 20:00:44 ] Tore Mataan > hope that isnt a big problem
- [ 2012.08.14 20:01:02 ] Tore Mataan > coz he is doing every thing what he want
- [ 2012.08.14 20:01:09 ] Tore Mataan > and this isnt right
- [ 2012.08.14 20:02:09 ] Micatra > Alright, if you feel more comfortable with me dealing with the CBC FCs and Killer not touching them then I am perfectly fine with that if it is preferable to you mate
- [ 2012.08.14 20:03:00 ] Tore Mataan > that will be gr8 coz i know that we can speak like ppls not hearing bumbling form kid sry but this is my opinion
- [ 2012.08.14 20:03:40 ] Micatra > Np mate, I understand
- [ 2012.08.14 20:03:47 ] NUTTUN > I have a question.. I lost today 2x ceptor in home def I am eligible for srp?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:04:04 ] Tore Mataan > at the end i wanna ask about 2 fcs for us..
- [ 2012.08.14 20:04:05 ] Micatra > yes you are
- [ 2012.08.14 20:04:17 ] NUTTUN > because that wsnt in srp rules
- [ 2012.08.14 20:04:19 ] NUTTUN > ok thx
- [ 2012.08.14 20:05:23 ] Tore Mataan > [20:04:04] Tore Mataan > at the end i wanna ask about 2 fcs for us..
- [ 2012.08.14 20:05:30 ] Micatra > alright sure
- [ 2012.08.14 20:06:36 ] Micatra > Which guys would you like me to add?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:07:00 ] Tore Mataan > Rash'kan Tore Mataan
- [ 2012.08.14 20:07:32 ] Micatra > I am gonna fix ML access, sec
- [ 2012.08.14 20:08:10 ] Micatra > You should have access to "FCON FCS" mailing list as well now
- [ 2012.08.14 20:08:19 ] Micatra > Gonna add Boradokar as cap FC as well, sec
- [ 2012.08.14 20:08:25 ] NUTTUN > Do fcon is planning some fleet participation tool?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:08:34 ] Micatra > We are working on that
- [ 2012.08.14 20:08:46 ] Boradokar > thnx
- [ 2012.08.14 20:09:01 ] Micatra > You can join the ML as well now Boradokar
- [ 2012.08.14 20:09:12 ] Micatra > gonna add you to alliance bulletins as well
- [ 2012.08.14 20:09:45 ] Micatra > There
- [ 2012.08.14 20:10:15 ] NUTTUN > I am kind of beginner corp FC. If someone lost ship in my fleet is he eligible for srp too?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:10:33 ] Boradokar > thnx
- [ 2012.08.14 20:11:31 ] Micatra > Not unless you are on the alliance list Nuttun. If you want me to add you as a trainee FC, then I can do that
- [ 2012.08.14 20:12:25 ] Tore Mataan > ok srp thema we will move as last now there is any date for tools like jubber?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:12:33 ] Tore Mataan > this will be useful
- [ 2012.08.14 20:12:45 ] NUTTUN > no thx, first i'll take some training. I am not sure of my skills
- [ 2012.08.14 20:13:09 ] Tore Mataan > any progress with wh idea?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:14:02 ] Tore Mataan > somthing about armor long temr idea?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:14:11 ] Micatra > I havent gotten a response from the indy team yet, they have been on Vacation. Ill poke them again for you
- [ 2012.08.14 20:14:32 ] Tore Mataan > that would be gr8
- [ 2012.08.14 20:14:51 ] Micatra > And as far as armor goes, we are on hold for a few weeks until tech prices stabilize, then we can see if we can support more doctrines
- [ 2012.08.14 20:15:30 ] Tore Mataan > since we havent any on info form fcs ml,channel about doctrines
- [ 2012.08.14 20:15:40 ] Tore Mataan > did u saw goons srp program
- [ 2012.08.14 20:15:41 ] Tore Mataan > ?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:16:51 ] Micatra > I did. I have been talking to Inm, the head SRP guy about this, and frankly he is super negative to everything I am proposing, so getting anything changed atm is really hard
- [ 2012.08.14 20:17:14 ] NUTTUN > Is it possible to rebroadcast info from FightClub? I would like to use my super, but i had to leave FightClub, because I cant be in super all the time
- [ 2012.08.14 20:17:21 ] Micatra > And then the financial team comes screaming "you cost us too much ISK"
- [ 2012.08.14 20:17:40 ] Boradokar > lol hehe
- [ 2012.08.14 20:17:51 ] Micatra > If you got removed, then you can just go ahead and reapply to the group mate
- [ 2012.08.14 20:18:01 ] Tore Mataan > hmmm strange
- [ 2012.08.14 20:18:05 ] NUTTUN > i know
- [ 2012.08.14 20:18:07 ] Micatra > Same way as before except that you dont need to re-submit API
- [ 2012.08.14 20:18:18 ] NUTTUN > but to stay there i need to be in super all the time
- [ 2012.08.14 20:18:38 ] NUTTUN > and im using this char for other things
- [ 2012.08.14 20:18:44 ] NUTTUN > and nyx is parked
- [ 2012.08.14 20:19:00 ] NUTTUN > they dont allow that now
- [ 2012.08.14 20:19:06 ] Micatra > Yeah, I know. That is a really stupid rule, but it is a new Goon policy. If you want to be able to get pings anyway then you need to see if you can get the info from a friend. I would forward you the info, but I dont have access to FightClub, so I cant
- [ 2012.08.14 20:19:18 ] Tore Mataan > coz there is alot of pluses from this is not srp all cost of ships is supporting only and its giving free heand with doctine
- [ 2012.08.14 20:19:29 ] Micatra > I will get my Nyx in 2 days, then I can forward you what info I can find
- [ 2012.08.14 20:19:58 ] NUTTUN > u dont have to directly to me, but to cap channel would be cool
- [ 2012.08.14 20:20:12 ] Boradokar > btw any info about goons jabber? cos i cannot log today :/
- [ 2012.08.14 20:20:19 ] Micatra > I will start doing that as soon as I get my Nyx and can join FightClub so I can see the pings
- [ 2012.08.14 20:20:35 ] NUTTUN > ok thx very much
- [ 2012.08.14 20:21:02 ] Micatra > I havent seen any problems with the Jabber posted. However we have a Jabber support channel called "FCON Jabber Help". They might be able to help you sir
- [ 2012.08.14 20:21:16 ] Tore Mataan > ok now me again
- [ 2012.08.14 20:21:18 ] Tore Mataan > [20:19:18] Tore Mataan > coz there is alot of pluses from this is not srp all cost of ships is supporting only and its giving free heand with doctine
- [ 2012.08.14 20:21:28 ] Tore Mataan > this is about srp and doctrines
- [ 2012.08.14 20:22:49 ] Micatra > I will see what I can do.
- [ 2012.08.14 20:23:17 ] Micatra > Basically people can do armor roams if they want to, it will be SRPed
- [ 2012.08.14 20:23:22 ] Tore Mataan > ok last question i guess
- [ 2012.08.14 20:23:34 ] Micatra > So if you would like to do an armor roam, you can send out a mail to see if people are interested
- [ 2012.08.14 20:23:35 ] Tore Mataan > mhm
- [ 2012.08.14 20:23:43 ] Tore Mataan > not this
- [ 2012.08.14 20:23:57 ] Tore Mataan > look for example
- [ 2012.08.14 20:24:06 ] Tore Mataan > i wanna run skirmish roams
- [ 2012.08.14 20:24:30 ] Tore Mataan > to do this will be helpful wh channel
- [ 2012.08.14 20:24:37 ] Tore Mataan > ML or spread sheet
- [ 2012.08.14 20:24:51 ] Tore Mataan > channel is not enought probably
- [ 2012.08.14 20:25:11 ] Micatra > You are free to create a mailing list for it if you want to mate, and send an alliance mail about it
- [ 2012.08.14 20:25:17 ] Micatra > Whatever you feel you need to do your job
- [ 2012.08.14 20:25:52 ] Tore Mataan > mhm
- [ 2012.08.14 20:26:43 ] Tore Mataan > ok but u saw my ML with doctrines last ally mail about srp discredit almost all ships form my doctrines
- [ 2012.08.14 20:27:47 ] Tore Mataan > and u know first question of half ppl joining fleet is " is this fleet is srpd"
- [ 2012.08.14 20:28:10 ] Micatra > I will talk to Inm again and make sure they SRP your fits
- [ 2012.08.14 20:28:31 ] Tore Mataan > atlast supporting them at some point
- [ 2012.08.14 20:28:36 ] Micatra > Yeah
- [ 2012.08.14 20:28:57 ] Tore Mataan > as i wirte to u before i think goons have good srp system
- [ 2012.08.14 20:29:25 ] Tore Mataan > its supporting not giving full aomunt of money for ship
- [ 2012.08.14 20:29:29 ] Micatra > Yeah I do as well, which is why I suggested we should have the same system. The response I got then was "No fucking way, get out" from the SRP team
- [ 2012.08.14 20:29:34 ] NUTTUN > I have to go. Thank you for your help and support. o/
- [ 2012.08.14 20:29:38 ] Micatra > o/
- [ 2012.08.14 20:29:44 ] Tore Mataan > heh
- [ 2012.08.14 20:29:52 ] Tore Mataan > thats why tark should be here
- [ 2012.08.14 20:29:55 ] Tore Mataan > ehhhh
- [ 2012.08.14 20:30:02 ] Micatra > Yeah, he logged for God knows what reason
- [ 2012.08.14 20:30:18 ] Boradokar > Micatra im on 1 month trial now yes?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:31:30 ] Micatra > Not really, doesnt work that way for cap FCs
- [ 2012.08.14 20:31:34 ] Micatra > You are a full cap FC
- [ 2012.08.14 20:31:58 ] Tore Mataan > ok can we get access on forum and i wanna ask if we can approve our fleets?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:32:00 ] Boradokar > ok thnx :)
- [ 2012.08.14 20:32:19 ] Boradokar > i was thinking about what i need to do to pass test :P
- [ 2012.08.14 20:32:24 ] Micatra > It is better if you let Sars do SRP, but you can do your own fleets if you want to
- [ 2012.08.14 20:32:26 ] Tore Mataan > or we should leave this to srp team?
- [ 2012.08.14 20:32:34 ] Micatra > I can see if I can get you FC roles, gimme a sec
- [ 2012.08.14 20:32:44 ] Micatra > on forums I mean
- [ 2012.08.14 20:32:50 ] Tore Mataan > y i know
- [ 2012.08.14 20:33:09 ] Micatra > Not completely sure how to give someone roles, so will need a few min to try to figure it out
- [ 2012.08.14 20:33:11 ] Boradokar > kk but i dont want to give SRP i think other ppl should decide
- [ 2012.08.14 20:33:27 ] Boradokar > ps i dont want to lose caps :P
- [ 2012.08.14 20:33:30 ] Micatra > Fourms seem to be down for me
- [ 2012.08.14 20:33:35 ] Boradokar > in my fleet hehe
- [ 2012.08.14 20:33:43 ] Micatra > I will get you guys FC roles on forums as soon as it is up again
- [ 2012.08.14 20:33:53 ] Boradokar > ok np
- [ 2012.08.14 20:34:34 ] Tore Mataan > ok and about approving i think only about my fleets but i can also leave it for sars
- [ 2012.08.14 20:35:50 ] Haldaris Maller > its a good thing when FC doesent SRP own fleet generally imho
- [ 2012.08.14 20:36:09 ] Micatra > You can do your own fleets mate
- [ 2012.08.14 20:36:18 ] Tore Mataan > ok
- [ 2012.08.14 20:36:20 ] Micatra > But yeah, Haldaris has a point
- [ 2012.08.14 20:36:36 ] Haldaris Maller > good way *
- [ 2012.08.14 20:36:41 ] Micatra > it is up to you really, just try to leave the strat op SRP to Sars please
- [ 2012.08.14 20:37:24 ] Tore Mataan > ok
- [ 2012.08.14 20:38:48 ] Boradokar > ok time for me thnx for help and cya on battlefild :)
- [ 2012.08.14 20:39:09 ] Tore Mataan > ok i guess its all for know but i have still few thing to solve but also i know thats take time so ill just covo u form time ti time to remind u
- [ 2012.08.14 20:39:46 ] Tore Mataan > i guess its all for now thx for meeting
- [ 2012.08.14 20:40:04 ] Haldaris Maller > Hope that was a "productive" convo im going to wach porno now
- [ 2012.08.14 20:40:08 ] Tore Mataan > ble i double myself ;p
- [ 2012.08.14 20:40:09 ] Haldaris Maller > o7
- [ 2012.08.14 20:40:27 ] Tore Mataan > anyway cya
- [ 2012.08.14 20:42:17 ] Micatra > o/
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